1 00:00:00,720 --> 00:00:04,080 Speaker 1: I Am all in again. 2 00:00:09,520 --> 00:00:20,560 Speaker 2: Oh, I am all in again with Scott Patterson and 3 00:00:20,840 --> 00:00:22,360 Speaker 2: iHeartRadio Podcast. 4 00:00:22,640 --> 00:00:25,240 Speaker 1: Hey Everybody, Scott Patterson, I Am all In Podcast one 5 00:00:25,280 --> 00:00:31,000 Speaker 1: eleven productions, iHeartRadio Media, iHeart Podcast Season three, Episode nine, 6 00:00:31,120 --> 00:00:35,240 Speaker 1: A deep fried Korean Thanksgiving air date November twenty six, 7 00:00:35,320 --> 00:00:38,360 Speaker 1: two thousand and two. So long ago. We very special 8 00:00:38,400 --> 00:00:44,680 Speaker 1: guest who needs no introduction. Beloved in the Gilmour universe. 9 00:00:44,840 --> 00:00:48,080 Speaker 1: You know our next guest as the perfect best friend 10 00:00:48,080 --> 00:00:51,559 Speaker 1: to Rory as Lane Kim Keiko againa joins us to 11 00:00:51,640 --> 00:00:58,320 Speaker 1: recap an iconic, extremely iconic Gilmore Girls episode. Keiko, welcome, 12 00:00:58,640 --> 00:00:59,680 Speaker 1: Nice to see you again. 13 00:00:59,720 --> 00:01:03,800 Speaker 2: How Hi, Nice to see you too, Scott. It's good 14 00:01:03,840 --> 00:01:04,360 Speaker 2: to be back. 15 00:01:04,720 --> 00:01:09,000 Speaker 1: Good to be back. Great episode synopsis is a Laurel 16 00:01:09,040 --> 00:01:12,679 Speaker 1: I is shocked to learn Rory has applied to Yale, 17 00:01:14,520 --> 00:01:17,600 Speaker 1: and they have a memorable Thanksgiving when they end up 18 00:01:18,440 --> 00:01:22,760 Speaker 1: forcing down four celebratory meals, including a formal dinner party 19 00:01:23,760 --> 00:01:28,560 Speaker 1: with Richard and Emily, directed by the Great Kenny Ortega 20 00:01:29,080 --> 00:01:33,280 Speaker 1: and written by the greater Dan Palladino. Before we get 21 00:01:33,280 --> 00:01:37,440 Speaker 1: into it, Kiko, what do you remember about filming this, 22 00:01:37,959 --> 00:01:40,839 Speaker 1: this iconic Thanksgiving episode? 23 00:01:41,880 --> 00:01:44,640 Speaker 2: That's a good question. How about you? What do you 24 00:01:44,680 --> 00:01:50,120 Speaker 2: remember I was gonna throw that potato back into your hands. 25 00:01:51,960 --> 00:01:55,760 Speaker 1: Well, then let's just get right into it. Prepping for Thanksgiving, 26 00:01:55,840 --> 00:01:59,520 Speaker 1: Loreal I has been avoiding Emily's calls, hasn't attended to 27 00:01:59,640 --> 00:02:02,880 Speaker 1: Friday Night dinners. Emily drops by at the end to 28 00:02:02,880 --> 00:02:06,960 Speaker 1: tell Laura I she expects her at Rory's Thanksgiving. You 29 00:02:07,000 --> 00:02:12,400 Speaker 1: know this is complicated for Rory and and and Laurel. 30 00:02:12,480 --> 00:02:18,000 Speaker 1: I Keiko, have you ever been to multiple Thanksgivings? 31 00:02:18,560 --> 00:02:18,800 Speaker 3: Oh? 32 00:02:18,919 --> 00:02:21,519 Speaker 2: Sure, in that same day. I mean, I'm going to 33 00:02:21,760 --> 00:02:29,920 Speaker 2: friends giving tonight after I stop by. Hear, but I 34 00:02:29,960 --> 00:02:34,640 Speaker 2: wonder if I've done it in the same day. Probably 35 00:02:35,680 --> 00:02:37,959 Speaker 2: because our family is kind of spread out, it's sort 36 00:02:37,960 --> 00:02:41,320 Speaker 2: of inevitable. And then we also have those same type 37 00:02:41,320 --> 00:02:43,400 Speaker 2: of things as what is what happened in the show 38 00:02:43,480 --> 00:02:46,040 Speaker 2: is that you have you have work relationships, you have 39 00:02:46,080 --> 00:02:50,640 Speaker 2: friend relationships, you have potential romantic relationships that you have 40 00:02:50,680 --> 00:02:52,520 Speaker 2: to juggle all at the same time. 41 00:02:53,280 --> 00:02:58,600 Speaker 1: Well, Thanksgiving Day, they first go to missus Kim, Rory 42 00:02:58,600 --> 00:03:05,480 Speaker 1: and Laura, and she's serving tofurky. David Galski's there, hired 43 00:03:05,600 --> 00:03:09,960 Speaker 1: by your mom as a Christian guitar player so that 44 00:03:10,000 --> 00:03:16,200 Speaker 1: they can lay the groundwork of Lane dating him. This 45 00:03:16,240 --> 00:03:21,600 Speaker 1: is such a great storyline. It's just so and so funny. 46 00:03:22,560 --> 00:03:24,960 Speaker 1: And the one thing I enjoyed so much is that 47 00:03:25,040 --> 00:03:29,040 Speaker 1: when we first well, you know, Dave comes in in 48 00:03:29,120 --> 00:03:33,440 Speaker 1: the prior episodes, right, and he's so on it and 49 00:03:33,480 --> 00:03:37,360 Speaker 1: he's so and you're so pleased with how he's handling 50 00:03:37,400 --> 00:03:41,480 Speaker 1: your mother that you just the beaming smile when he says, well, 51 00:03:41,520 --> 00:03:44,920 Speaker 1: my parents are in church now and they're going to 52 00:03:44,960 --> 00:03:49,560 Speaker 1: get out in like twenty minutes, and it's like code 53 00:03:49,560 --> 00:03:52,160 Speaker 1: to you to meet him in three and she doesn't 54 00:03:52,200 --> 00:03:55,320 Speaker 1: get it, you get it. It's just so great the 55 00:03:55,360 --> 00:04:00,640 Speaker 1: way this begins. What do you remember about out working 56 00:04:00,720 --> 00:04:05,800 Speaker 1: with Adam? Oh, because it seems like you guys have 57 00:04:05,920 --> 00:04:08,000 Speaker 1: this tremendous chemistry. 58 00:04:08,400 --> 00:04:14,160 Speaker 2: Yeah. I think Adam is such a special performer. I 59 00:04:14,200 --> 00:04:17,920 Speaker 2: mean he's he's a very nice, charming guy in real life. 60 00:04:18,200 --> 00:04:21,640 Speaker 2: I mean, Adam is very easy to get along with, 61 00:04:21,680 --> 00:04:24,279 Speaker 2: and he's a he's a smart guy and a funny guy. 62 00:04:24,400 --> 00:04:28,320 Speaker 2: So it's it's fun. I think that he was happy 63 00:04:28,320 --> 00:04:32,280 Speaker 2: to have this little storyline as well, because it gives 64 00:04:32,360 --> 00:04:35,200 Speaker 2: him a chance to do all of the charming things 65 00:04:35,240 --> 00:04:39,200 Speaker 2: that he's able to do, and that's such a great character. 66 00:04:39,240 --> 00:04:43,240 Speaker 2: I mean, you have the obstacle of missus Kim and 67 00:04:43,279 --> 00:04:45,920 Speaker 2: then all of the shenanigans that need to happen to 68 00:04:47,880 --> 00:04:51,599 Speaker 2: to make this little budding romance occur. 69 00:04:53,440 --> 00:04:56,360 Speaker 1: And this was really kind of This wasn't the first 70 00:04:56,440 --> 00:04:58,360 Speaker 1: thing he'd ever done, but this was kind of his 71 00:04:59,160 --> 00:05:01,640 Speaker 1: a little bit of his breakthrough role, was it? 72 00:05:01,920 --> 00:05:04,360 Speaker 2: As you recall, I don't I don't remember what other 73 00:05:05,040 --> 00:05:07,520 Speaker 2: things he had done before that, but this, But I 74 00:05:07,560 --> 00:05:09,960 Speaker 2: think this is before he you know, he's a series 75 00:05:10,000 --> 00:05:13,919 Speaker 2: regular on a show. I'm assuming that recurring on a 76 00:05:13,960 --> 00:05:17,719 Speaker 2: television show is is great because you can really establish 77 00:05:17,880 --> 00:05:20,360 Speaker 2: a character and develop a fan base and things like that. 78 00:05:20,680 --> 00:05:24,039 Speaker 1: This is before the OC. So then he does this 79 00:05:24,240 --> 00:05:29,040 Speaker 1: for a year or two and then OC and then 80 00:05:29,120 --> 00:05:30,400 Speaker 1: Bubble And we have so. 81 00:05:30,400 --> 00:05:32,640 Speaker 2: Many people on our you know, whenever they do those 82 00:05:32,680 --> 00:05:34,400 Speaker 2: long lists of all the people that have been on 83 00:05:34,440 --> 00:05:37,360 Speaker 2: Gilmour Girls, like, I forgot that Matt Jones, who is 84 00:05:37,400 --> 00:05:39,559 Speaker 2: an incredible He's gone on to do a lot of things. 85 00:05:40,080 --> 00:05:41,880 Speaker 2: As I was rewatching this episode, I was like, oh 86 00:05:41,920 --> 00:05:44,000 Speaker 2: my god, Matt Jones is on there I actually do 87 00:05:44,040 --> 00:05:47,240 Speaker 2: improv with him very rarely, but sometimes I get a chance. 88 00:05:47,279 --> 00:05:50,760 Speaker 2: He's phenomenal funny. But he has a little bit at 89 00:05:50,960 --> 00:05:54,800 Speaker 2: Suki and at the deep fried part of the deep 90 00:05:54,839 --> 00:05:58,720 Speaker 2: product Thanksgiving, all these people, you know, kind of pop up. 91 00:05:59,600 --> 00:06:01,720 Speaker 2: They were on that show, they were on our show too. 92 00:06:02,560 --> 00:06:06,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, so we're gonna come back of this, 93 00:06:06,240 --> 00:06:10,040 Speaker 1: but we're gonna head to Suki's now and and talk 94 00:06:10,080 --> 00:06:15,320 Speaker 1: about Jackson and his deep frying a turkey. I mean, 95 00:06:15,400 --> 00:06:18,480 Speaker 1: the setup for this is just so hysterically funny. I mean, 96 00:06:18,520 --> 00:06:22,800 Speaker 1: what a contrast, you know, you go from from missus 97 00:06:22,880 --> 00:06:31,200 Speaker 1: Kim's quite stayed uh Thanksgiving celebration to go into like 98 00:06:31,279 --> 00:06:35,599 Speaker 1: the you know, the the rock, the rock and roll 99 00:06:35,720 --> 00:06:38,320 Speaker 1: version of of what a Thanksgiving could be. I mean, 100 00:06:38,360 --> 00:06:40,040 Speaker 1: it was just so much fun. 101 00:06:40,040 --> 00:06:44,120 Speaker 2: Right, And I love watching Melissa in that scene, both 102 00:06:44,240 --> 00:06:45,800 Speaker 2: both at the very beginning when you see her and 103 00:06:45,839 --> 00:06:47,320 Speaker 2: then when you wrap up when you come back to 104 00:06:47,320 --> 00:06:50,920 Speaker 2: her later on. But she's just so she plays frazzled 105 00:06:51,160 --> 00:06:53,720 Speaker 2: so well, Like at the very beginning, we see her 106 00:06:53,960 --> 00:06:59,160 Speaker 2: just uh manic and you know, uh, but her her discos. 107 00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:02,400 Speaker 2: It's fun to watch certain people be uncomfortable and She 108 00:07:02,480 --> 00:07:05,600 Speaker 2: just makes it so funny that how displeased she is 109 00:07:05,640 --> 00:07:07,440 Speaker 2: with everything that's going on and behind her. 110 00:07:07,520 --> 00:07:10,320 Speaker 1: You know, all all she would need to do on 111 00:07:10,360 --> 00:07:13,240 Speaker 1: an acting reel is put that first scene and then 112 00:07:13,320 --> 00:07:16,840 Speaker 1: that drunk scene, and there you go. It shows the 113 00:07:16,880 --> 00:07:20,680 Speaker 1: full range. Yeah, basically the full range of what she's 114 00:07:20,760 --> 00:07:24,640 Speaker 1: capable of doing. I mean, it's it's it's she's so good. 115 00:07:24,840 --> 00:07:25,600 Speaker 2: She is so good. 116 00:07:25,640 --> 00:07:29,040 Speaker 1: She's so hard to play drunk. It's so hard to 117 00:07:29,200 --> 00:07:32,440 Speaker 1: do it. You did it very well as. 118 00:07:32,280 --> 00:07:33,560 Speaker 2: Well, maybe, Schmid. 119 00:07:33,800 --> 00:07:36,720 Speaker 1: Yes, no, no, no, you did a very good job 120 00:07:37,040 --> 00:07:38,840 Speaker 1: in that. You know that when they had that big 121 00:07:38,880 --> 00:07:41,560 Speaker 1: fight scene. There was a huge fight scene with right 122 00:07:41,840 --> 00:07:44,640 Speaker 1: Dean and Jess, And then you had that scene where 123 00:07:44,680 --> 00:07:48,000 Speaker 1: you were calling home, right right right, we're calling your 124 00:07:48,000 --> 00:07:51,280 Speaker 1: mother and you were hammered. 125 00:07:51,840 --> 00:07:52,280 Speaker 2: Uh huh? 126 00:07:53,480 --> 00:07:55,840 Speaker 1: Is that is that? What is that who you were calling? 127 00:07:56,360 --> 00:07:59,040 Speaker 2: Yes? I think I was calling you. 128 00:07:59,160 --> 00:08:02,120 Speaker 1: The guts called your mother while you were drunk. 129 00:08:02,280 --> 00:08:05,080 Speaker 2: Well doesn't isn't that how it happens? Though? Don't we 130 00:08:05,160 --> 00:08:10,720 Speaker 2: make all sorts of decisions when drunk. We many times regret, 131 00:08:12,520 --> 00:08:15,440 Speaker 2: you know, or conversations that need to be had, that 132 00:08:15,520 --> 00:08:18,880 Speaker 2: need that little extra juice in order to make them happen. 133 00:08:19,560 --> 00:08:21,360 Speaker 1: I don't know. I've never been drunk. I would not. 134 00:08:21,440 --> 00:08:23,960 Speaker 1: Oh okay, I'm kidding. 135 00:08:25,200 --> 00:08:27,680 Speaker 2: I was gonna say I never. 136 00:08:27,760 --> 00:08:29,880 Speaker 1: I've never been drunk called my parents, that's for sure. 137 00:08:30,360 --> 00:08:35,079 Speaker 1: But all right, so lots of fun there. Suki is 138 00:08:35,559 --> 00:08:42,280 Speaker 1: getting a little unnerved by, you know, just the the 139 00:08:42,400 --> 00:08:47,160 Speaker 1: vibe that's been created there with all of these raucous individuals, 140 00:08:47,520 --> 00:08:50,200 Speaker 1: and then Jackson's playing into it. He comes out with 141 00:08:50,320 --> 00:08:54,760 Speaker 1: a face mask and a and a bib and gloves 142 00:08:54,800 --> 00:09:02,720 Speaker 1: and he said, let's rock. Uh, And then they and 143 00:09:02,760 --> 00:09:08,240 Speaker 1: then they dip the turkey into the boiling oil and 144 00:09:08,400 --> 00:09:11,880 Speaker 1: the place explodes. I mean, the whole These guys just 145 00:09:12,320 --> 00:09:16,200 Speaker 1: oh man, they were tailgating. They were basically tail they 146 00:09:16,240 --> 00:09:21,520 Speaker 1: were tailgating. A Thanksgi family Thanksgiving fantastic. Then we see 147 00:09:21,679 --> 00:09:26,920 Speaker 1: uh uh and they had the Lukes, yeah, on their 148 00:09:27,120 --> 00:09:32,560 Speaker 1: quasi eating death march and they eat their male with 149 00:09:32,679 --> 00:09:37,240 Speaker 1: Jess and and and Luke, who's a little disappointed that 150 00:09:37,280 --> 00:09:39,840 Speaker 1: they couldn't come. And then Laureli does the nice thing 151 00:09:39,920 --> 00:09:44,120 Speaker 1: and says, well, we're gonna make it rory and just kissed. 152 00:09:44,160 --> 00:09:47,959 Speaker 1: Let's talk about this. Let's talk about this kiss thing, 153 00:09:48,880 --> 00:09:56,040 Speaker 1: did you find it? Why is Jess so determined instead 154 00:09:56,040 --> 00:10:00,280 Speaker 1: of just being in love and focused on on this 155 00:10:00,559 --> 00:10:06,760 Speaker 1: budding relationship, right, Why does he risk, you know, appearing 156 00:10:06,960 --> 00:10:11,360 Speaker 1: manipulative or maybe he's just out of control, completely out 157 00:10:11,400 --> 00:10:17,080 Speaker 1: of control and almost demanding that it's not good enough 158 00:10:17,120 --> 00:10:21,800 Speaker 1: for him just to have won the battle and the 159 00:10:21,840 --> 00:10:25,880 Speaker 1: war with getting rory. You know, he's got to take 160 00:10:25,920 --> 00:10:28,559 Speaker 1: it to this level where he, let's rub it in 161 00:10:29,080 --> 00:10:33,400 Speaker 1: Dean's face, let's do this in front of Dozie. So 162 00:10:33,440 --> 00:10:36,840 Speaker 1: it kind of becomes about that. And when she calls 163 00:10:36,920 --> 00:10:41,640 Speaker 1: him on it and says, no, this is you know, 164 00:10:41,679 --> 00:10:44,679 Speaker 1: and he does, he's not pleased, and he just kind 165 00:10:44,679 --> 00:10:49,439 Speaker 1: of gives her a peck on sulks away. So, yeah, 166 00:10:49,840 --> 00:10:52,120 Speaker 1: that disturbed me. Did it disturb Yeah? 167 00:10:52,120 --> 00:10:54,040 Speaker 2: Well, you know, I think it's one of those things 168 00:10:54,080 --> 00:10:58,640 Speaker 2: where I think that, you know, because he's young, he's 169 00:10:58,640 --> 00:11:00,760 Speaker 2: a young person and he has a lot of maturing 170 00:11:00,800 --> 00:11:03,199 Speaker 2: to do. I think that's the thing that we yearn 171 00:11:03,320 --> 00:11:05,640 Speaker 2: for Jess to go through that kind of change. But 172 00:11:05,720 --> 00:11:09,600 Speaker 2: I think that that's a great example of not really 173 00:11:11,600 --> 00:11:18,080 Speaker 2: not valuing your partner's discomfort high enough and whatever it 174 00:11:18,200 --> 00:11:20,800 Speaker 2: is that you think is fair or or or right 175 00:11:20,960 --> 00:11:24,720 Speaker 2: or justified that you can never bulldoze. The bulldozing is 176 00:11:24,720 --> 00:11:28,760 Speaker 2: what's what's really uncomfortable. It's that if the if your 177 00:11:28,760 --> 00:11:32,960 Speaker 2: partner is uncomfortable, that's it's like, okay, let's hold on, 178 00:11:33,040 --> 00:11:35,960 Speaker 2: let's find out why it's a valuable, important thing. 179 00:11:36,960 --> 00:11:40,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a conversation that she's going to have to 180 00:11:40,400 --> 00:11:44,240 Speaker 1: have with him, like whoa. And if it happened again 181 00:11:45,640 --> 00:11:48,120 Speaker 1: where he just really insisted on it, then you've got 182 00:11:48,120 --> 00:11:53,120 Speaker 1: to reevaluate the whole relationship, right, I mean that's yeah, yeah, 183 00:11:53,160 --> 00:12:01,800 Speaker 1: that's well, we'll see what happens weaponizing a right right, right, 184 00:12:02,120 --> 00:12:05,439 Speaker 1: and then they finally head to their their last stop 185 00:12:07,000 --> 00:12:13,160 Speaker 1: Emily and Richards, right. And I don't know this, this 186 00:12:13,240 --> 00:12:17,400 Speaker 1: might be my all time favorite inside the Gilmour House 187 00:12:18,000 --> 00:12:18,679 Speaker 1: rep Parte. 188 00:12:19,360 --> 00:12:21,280 Speaker 2: Oh nice. Wow, that's saying a lot. 189 00:12:21,600 --> 00:12:25,959 Speaker 1: I mean, you just had the great lines flying around 190 00:12:26,080 --> 00:12:30,760 Speaker 1: the mile a minute. There was so much conflict there. 191 00:12:31,960 --> 00:12:33,760 Speaker 1: Let me ask you this. Let me ask you this. 192 00:12:37,040 --> 00:12:43,800 Speaker 1: It's necessary fuel. It's necessary tension, and it's a necessary 193 00:12:44,480 --> 00:12:51,040 Speaker 1: anxiety that that Laurel is having for you. Keiko. Is 194 00:12:51,240 --> 00:12:56,080 Speaker 1: Laurel I being selfish? Here? Is she making it about 195 00:12:56,160 --> 00:13:04,560 Speaker 1: her her feelings, or her contra or her parents, or 196 00:13:04,600 --> 00:13:09,280 Speaker 1: is it really Emily and Richard's total lack of respect 197 00:13:09,880 --> 00:13:15,760 Speaker 1: or total lack of recognition of the boundaries here and 198 00:13:15,840 --> 00:13:24,360 Speaker 1: respecting laurel I's you know, authority, respecting her relationship with 199 00:13:24,520 --> 00:13:27,960 Speaker 1: her own daughter. And you know that Richard and Emily 200 00:13:28,080 --> 00:13:31,960 Speaker 1: had these conversations before they went to I don't believe 201 00:13:32,080 --> 00:13:35,679 Speaker 1: Emily for a minute that she says I knew nothing 202 00:13:35,760 --> 00:13:38,839 Speaker 1: about this. Of course she did. They talked about it, 203 00:13:39,080 --> 00:13:43,080 Speaker 1: you know, they had to them. So what are your 204 00:13:43,080 --> 00:13:47,680 Speaker 1: thoughts on that, Laurle I really really really getting super 205 00:13:47,760 --> 00:13:49,400 Speaker 1: upset a couple of years. 206 00:13:50,000 --> 00:13:55,120 Speaker 2: I think that's what makes this relationship so good is 207 00:13:55,200 --> 00:14:02,200 Speaker 2: that Lorala I has such a sensitive spot there. You 208 00:14:02,240 --> 00:14:06,360 Speaker 2: know that the very like a light breeze will just 209 00:14:06,720 --> 00:14:12,120 Speaker 2: you know, hurt her. But it's believable. And I think 210 00:14:12,160 --> 00:14:14,120 Speaker 2: that's why we keep coming back to that, is that 211 00:14:14,520 --> 00:14:20,520 Speaker 2: it's just true people. We as people have those deep injuries, 212 00:14:20,560 --> 00:14:24,240 Speaker 2: and Lorala has this injury that she has never fully 213 00:14:24,800 --> 00:14:28,600 Speaker 2: recovered from. It's just this sensitive sore spot where she 214 00:14:28,680 --> 00:14:33,000 Speaker 2: feels like she's not she's not in control of her 215 00:14:33,120 --> 00:14:36,040 Speaker 2: own life, or wasn't in the past, and she feels 216 00:14:36,080 --> 00:14:38,600 Speaker 2: like Rory is an extension of her, and so to 217 00:14:38,800 --> 00:14:42,040 Speaker 2: feel when whenever she has that tiny little sense that 218 00:14:42,120 --> 00:14:48,000 Speaker 2: she's losing control of her of her autonomy, she it's 219 00:14:48,040 --> 00:14:51,240 Speaker 2: just inflamed. It's like it's like everything is just as 220 00:14:51,320 --> 00:14:54,040 Speaker 2: fresh as it was, you know, when she was a 221 00:14:54,120 --> 00:14:58,320 Speaker 2: child and she couldn't she had no real control over 222 00:14:58,320 --> 00:15:00,680 Speaker 2: her life and that and that's that's what I love. 223 00:15:01,160 --> 00:15:03,640 Speaker 2: That's why I think you have a series that could 224 00:15:03,720 --> 00:15:08,200 Speaker 2: last so long, is that Lauren was great at making 225 00:15:08,240 --> 00:15:12,680 Speaker 2: it believable in that moment that, yes, it's it's not 226 00:15:13,120 --> 00:15:16,320 Speaker 2: sensical how she's acting, but you believe that that's just 227 00:15:16,440 --> 00:15:20,400 Speaker 2: her trying to deal with her to get a handle 228 00:15:20,480 --> 00:15:22,240 Speaker 2: on her emotions. 229 00:15:21,920 --> 00:15:25,320 Speaker 1: Right, And I'm glad she's acknowledged that, you know, in 230 00:15:25,360 --> 00:15:28,040 Speaker 1: her little speech to Rory. Yes, the end of the episode, 231 00:15:28,800 --> 00:15:32,360 Speaker 1: you know, I understand in my mind, I wish my 232 00:15:32,520 --> 00:15:35,680 Speaker 1: mind could have a meeting with my body and tell 233 00:15:35,720 --> 00:15:38,520 Speaker 1: it like this is the rational approach. Of Course, you 234 00:15:38,560 --> 00:15:41,680 Speaker 1: want a backup plan. Of course, Yale would be a 235 00:15:41,720 --> 00:15:44,000 Speaker 1: great place in you coming out on the other side 236 00:15:44,000 --> 00:15:47,240 Speaker 1: of any of these Ivy League schools would be a 237 00:15:47,280 --> 00:15:53,280 Speaker 1: great thing. For you. Yeah, she just can't. It's it's 238 00:15:53,320 --> 00:15:59,000 Speaker 1: got to be impossible to deal with the meddling, right. 239 00:15:59,040 --> 00:16:01,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, and you can feel it in her, in 240 00:16:01,200 --> 00:16:05,320 Speaker 2: her whole I think. Yeah, so interesting about how she 241 00:16:05,400 --> 00:16:09,760 Speaker 2: talks about time, because that's also that's also her brain 242 00:16:09,960 --> 00:16:13,640 Speaker 2: trying to regain some sense of control. She's like, I 243 00:16:13,680 --> 00:16:16,720 Speaker 2: have a plan. It's going to be two hours. I 244 00:16:16,760 --> 00:16:19,360 Speaker 2: can I can manage this. She's just trying to put 245 00:16:19,400 --> 00:16:22,720 Speaker 2: all of these tools in place for herself to feel 246 00:16:22,720 --> 00:16:26,760 Speaker 2: like she's still in control, because she's barely hanging on. 247 00:16:28,120 --> 00:16:31,040 Speaker 2: And we believe her that she she needs all of 248 00:16:31,080 --> 00:16:34,640 Speaker 2: these different mental games that she plays with herself in 249 00:16:34,760 --> 00:16:37,480 Speaker 2: order to get a sense that she's in control of 250 00:16:37,480 --> 00:16:44,560 Speaker 2: this situation. Right. Yeah, it's fun. It is terrible to watch, 251 00:16:44,600 --> 00:16:45,800 Speaker 2: but fun also, right. 252 00:16:45,720 --> 00:16:49,480 Speaker 1: But it's you know, the absolute spine of this entire 253 00:16:49,600 --> 00:16:55,080 Speaker 1: piece is this relationship. Yes, it is this this fracture, 254 00:16:55,280 --> 00:16:58,440 Speaker 1: and you know, will it heal? Will they ever get 255 00:16:58,480 --> 00:17:01,840 Speaker 1: close to parody? Will they ever for distonte? You know? 256 00:17:01,920 --> 00:17:06,080 Speaker 1: And and it always seems they get a little they 257 00:17:06,119 --> 00:17:10,359 Speaker 1: get close sometimes and there's these little moments where there's 258 00:17:10,760 --> 00:17:13,720 Speaker 1: mutual respect and some love maybe you know, the light 259 00:17:13,800 --> 00:17:16,440 Speaker 1: shining a little brighter, and then Bubbo. There's so many 260 00:17:16,480 --> 00:17:21,760 Speaker 1: things that make it collapse and collapse fast because there's 261 00:17:21,840 --> 00:17:24,720 Speaker 1: such lack of trust. It's like it's like the two 262 00:17:24,800 --> 00:17:29,640 Speaker 1: sides do not trust each other. Yes, yes, so nobody, 263 00:17:29,680 --> 00:17:32,200 Speaker 1: nobody's getting the benefit of the doubts. She's not giving 264 00:17:32,200 --> 00:17:34,400 Speaker 1: them the benefit of doubt the same way. It's coming 265 00:17:34,440 --> 00:17:35,160 Speaker 1: back the other way. 266 00:17:35,280 --> 00:17:38,960 Speaker 2: Oh no, not at all, because I think for Emily, certainly, 267 00:17:39,560 --> 00:17:43,320 Speaker 2: what Laura did to her was the the worst pain 268 00:17:43,359 --> 00:17:46,280 Speaker 2: that she's ever felt, I'm sure you know, And so 269 00:17:46,320 --> 00:17:52,160 Speaker 2: she's dealing she's so wounded by this deep betrayal of 270 00:17:52,920 --> 00:17:57,320 Speaker 2: her daughter in that fierce rejection, that everything, everything that 271 00:17:57,359 --> 00:18:01,680 Speaker 2: she every time she speaks, it's loaded. You just even 272 00:18:01,840 --> 00:18:11,119 Speaker 2: feel how heavy because that guilt is always the guilt 273 00:18:11,119 --> 00:18:13,560 Speaker 2: that she's trying to enforce and impose on Laura. Lai 274 00:18:14,200 --> 00:18:19,600 Speaker 2: is always just behind her words because she's still nursing 275 00:18:19,640 --> 00:18:23,200 Speaker 2: that huge pain at rejection. 276 00:18:32,920 --> 00:18:36,200 Speaker 1: The question that's oft asked but to all of us 277 00:18:36,480 --> 00:18:40,000 Speaker 1: by the press and by fans, you know, why is 278 00:18:40,040 --> 00:18:43,000 Speaker 1: this show so enduring? Why does it hit people on 279 00:18:43,040 --> 00:18:45,720 Speaker 1: such a deep level. I think what we're discussing now 280 00:18:45,840 --> 00:18:52,680 Speaker 1: really addresses that it's because of this, this very anchored 281 00:18:53,480 --> 00:18:57,159 Speaker 1: and ancient pain that these two have for one another 282 00:18:58,240 --> 00:19:03,840 Speaker 1: or against, you know, Laura versus Emily and Richard. It's 283 00:19:04,080 --> 00:19:09,080 Speaker 1: it's it's so relatable, it's so universal, it's so deep, 284 00:19:10,160 --> 00:19:13,520 Speaker 1: and everything springs from that. And that's really the essence 285 00:19:13,640 --> 00:19:20,639 Speaker 1: of in a way, to one degree or another, all families. 286 00:19:21,200 --> 00:19:27,440 Speaker 1: M There isn't a family that hasn't experienced a touch 287 00:19:27,440 --> 00:19:31,280 Speaker 1: of this. There's families that have more strife than this, 288 00:19:31,440 --> 00:19:35,840 Speaker 1: But I mean this is the most universal, the most relatable. 289 00:19:36,720 --> 00:19:39,400 Speaker 1: I mean, what a great setup for a show. Yeah, 290 00:19:39,920 --> 00:19:42,399 Speaker 1: I mean what it's just a beautiful setup for a show. 291 00:19:42,480 --> 00:19:45,720 Speaker 1: I mean, it couldn't fail, yeah, right. 292 00:19:46,640 --> 00:19:49,400 Speaker 2: I think also something that that has kind of come 293 00:19:49,440 --> 00:19:52,959 Speaker 2: to me in more recent interviews is this thought that 294 00:19:54,800 --> 00:19:59,560 Speaker 2: I think perhaps something that special about Gilmourborls is that 295 00:19:59,800 --> 00:20:05,680 Speaker 2: you have people that disagree, but you know that they 296 00:20:05,720 --> 00:20:08,800 Speaker 2: love each other. You know that they love each other, 297 00:20:09,200 --> 00:20:13,560 Speaker 2: and so to be able to see people who do 298 00:20:13,680 --> 00:20:20,280 Speaker 2: not agree about anything, who have different philosophies, but you 299 00:20:20,560 --> 00:20:26,120 Speaker 2: know that the love is underneath. That's with Emily and Lorelei, 300 00:20:26,480 --> 00:20:29,560 Speaker 2: that's with missus Kimmon lane that comes up. It's a 301 00:20:29,920 --> 00:20:32,240 Speaker 2: you know, Taylor and Luke, I mean they are like 302 00:20:33,000 --> 00:20:36,560 Speaker 2: there are a lot of these different forces, but you 303 00:20:36,800 --> 00:20:40,360 Speaker 2: never doubt that everybody in this in this little bubble 304 00:20:40,400 --> 00:20:43,400 Speaker 2: of this world stars Hollow or the Gilmore Girls as 305 00:20:43,400 --> 00:20:46,720 Speaker 2: a whole that people love and need each other. 306 00:20:47,040 --> 00:20:48,679 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a love story. 307 00:20:49,160 --> 00:20:50,159 Speaker 2: It is a love story. 308 00:20:50,320 --> 00:20:52,680 Speaker 1: It's it's ultimately a love story. It's a it's a 309 00:20:52,760 --> 00:20:57,920 Speaker 1: dysfunctional family, yes, background, but at the forefront it's positive. 310 00:20:58,000 --> 00:21:03,600 Speaker 1: It's it's it's moving towards love. Yes, it's it's it's 311 00:21:03,680 --> 00:21:07,520 Speaker 1: just so remarkable. The setup is so good. Yeah, man, 312 00:21:08,200 --> 00:21:12,760 Speaker 1: that's why so many people right in the business, writers 313 00:21:13,840 --> 00:21:19,080 Speaker 1: have attempted to write something. It inspired a lot of 314 00:21:19,160 --> 00:21:20,200 Speaker 1: TV shows. 315 00:21:21,080 --> 00:21:25,280 Speaker 2: I yes, I think so. And it's interesting because you 316 00:21:25,400 --> 00:21:28,679 Speaker 2: think there are a lot of different aspects of the 317 00:21:28,720 --> 00:21:33,520 Speaker 2: show that you can pull from. Certainly the fast paced 318 00:21:33,520 --> 00:21:43,200 Speaker 2: dialogue and the uh uh not social commentary, but the 319 00:21:42,680 --> 00:21:47,120 Speaker 2: the oh my gosh, it's escaping me. But like the 320 00:21:47,280 --> 00:21:52,280 Speaker 2: where where you're naming a bunch of different references, right, 321 00:21:52,640 --> 00:21:54,720 Speaker 2: But I think one of the things that would be 322 00:21:54,960 --> 00:21:59,240 Speaker 2: I would love to see more of is a kind 323 00:21:59,280 --> 00:22:07,000 Speaker 2: of is a kind of positivity. That's it. That's the positivity, 324 00:22:07,440 --> 00:22:12,520 Speaker 2: but that you're not shying away from challenging, challenging emotions. 325 00:22:12,760 --> 00:22:14,480 Speaker 2: I don't know. Maybe that's a show that I would 326 00:22:14,520 --> 00:22:14,880 Speaker 2: love to. 327 00:22:15,320 --> 00:22:19,439 Speaker 1: Right, And that's the message here right with Gilmore girls. 328 00:22:19,640 --> 00:22:26,080 Speaker 1: It's keep striving, keep the faith. It's going to get better. Yeah, 329 00:22:26,119 --> 00:22:28,800 Speaker 1: we keep loving each other, we keep trying, We're going 330 00:22:28,880 --> 00:22:32,440 Speaker 1: to know it is. It's it's it's moving forward. It's 331 00:22:32,560 --> 00:22:37,240 Speaker 1: it's moving us forward. It's it's it's a show that's 332 00:22:37,280 --> 00:22:42,800 Speaker 1: so full of hope. Yeah, by showing the uh, sometimes 333 00:22:42,800 --> 00:22:48,760 Speaker 1: the seamy side of the family dynamic. All right, m 334 00:22:50,119 --> 00:22:53,399 Speaker 1: Kirk and his cat Kirk. 335 00:22:58,600 --> 00:23:00,560 Speaker 2: But you know Sean hadcat too. 336 00:23:00,920 --> 00:23:03,040 Speaker 1: Did he really in real life? 337 00:23:03,240 --> 00:23:03,520 Speaker 2: Yeah? 338 00:23:04,040 --> 00:23:08,040 Speaker 1: Really? Yeah? 339 00:23:08,160 --> 00:23:10,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, so who knows. 340 00:23:11,960 --> 00:23:16,160 Speaker 1: I gotta tell you that maybe the funniest speech ever 341 00:23:16,200 --> 00:23:19,720 Speaker 1: written for him, Yeah, may have occurred in this episode 342 00:23:19,800 --> 00:23:24,520 Speaker 1: when he's describing in the diner the Thanksgiving, when the Thanksgiving, 343 00:23:24,720 --> 00:23:28,600 Speaker 1: when he's describing how the cat he how he hid 344 00:23:28,720 --> 00:23:33,680 Speaker 1: naked in his bathtub, knowing that cats have an aversion 345 00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:37,200 Speaker 1: to water, but not this cat, it seemed to empower. Yeah, 346 00:23:40,680 --> 00:23:44,679 Speaker 1: just the image of a crazed cat going at a 347 00:23:44,800 --> 00:23:45,560 Speaker 1: naked Kirk. 348 00:23:45,840 --> 00:23:51,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, come on, man, the Kirk Runners, you know, having that, 349 00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:54,399 Speaker 2: having that him be able to come in and just 350 00:23:54,440 --> 00:23:57,920 Speaker 2: pop in multiple times during an episode, and this is 351 00:23:57,760 --> 00:23:58,960 Speaker 2: a this is a classic one. 352 00:23:59,280 --> 00:24:04,480 Speaker 1: This is and uh, he's sustaining some pretty pretty serious 353 00:24:04,480 --> 00:24:11,720 Speaker 1: injuries and ultimately he uh he ended up sleeping on 354 00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:14,920 Speaker 1: the yes in the gazebo. 355 00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:16,000 Speaker 2: In the gazebo. 356 00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:21,199 Speaker 1: Oh my god, I tell you what a miracle that 357 00:24:21,320 --> 00:24:25,480 Speaker 1: character is. No, I know it, it's it's it's you know. 358 00:24:26,800 --> 00:24:28,600 Speaker 1: You get asked. I get asked this a lot. What 359 00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:30,160 Speaker 1: other character would you want to play in the show? 360 00:24:30,160 --> 00:24:33,000 Speaker 1: I always say Kirk. I'd love a shot it, Like, 361 00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:35,439 Speaker 1: I don't know if the entire run of the series, 362 00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:39,760 Speaker 1: I'd love to hit a couple of episodes is Kirk. Oh, 363 00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:43,119 Speaker 1: just to try to pull it off? Oh yeah, if 364 00:24:43,160 --> 00:24:44,240 Speaker 1: you could be that funny? 365 00:24:44,520 --> 00:24:48,359 Speaker 2: Oh, I know. And he got such great storylines too, 366 00:24:49,320 --> 00:24:51,879 Speaker 2: My goodness, what fun things he gets to play. 367 00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:54,600 Speaker 1: Then he must have had a blast writing for him. 368 00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:56,440 Speaker 2: Yes, I'm sure, you know. 369 00:24:56,520 --> 00:24:59,399 Speaker 1: I gotta tell you. Yeah, one of the there were 370 00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:02,080 Speaker 1: a couple of really great moments. And we're bouncing around 371 00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:06,000 Speaker 1: a little bit, but that's okay. When he started playing 372 00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:10,280 Speaker 1: when you when you asked your mom, can Adam have 373 00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:16,600 Speaker 1: a break, and she says no, he's we hired him 374 00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:18,560 Speaker 1: to play. He gets no breaks, and he continues to 375 00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:21,359 Speaker 1: play softly, and then she starts walking away and he 376 00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:24,520 Speaker 1: starts riffing on with that Nirvana song. Yeah but and 377 00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:26,480 Speaker 1: she stops and turns like, what the heck? 378 00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:32,120 Speaker 2: Yes this morning when I was because I was doing 379 00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:34,119 Speaker 2: my rewatch early this morning. I think I got up 380 00:25:34,119 --> 00:25:36,920 Speaker 2: at like six point thirty this morning before I dropped 381 00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:39,200 Speaker 2: my husband off of the airport, and he was watching 382 00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:41,440 Speaker 2: that and we both burst out laughing because he's a 383 00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:44,879 Speaker 2: musician too, so that riff came up so good. 384 00:25:45,320 --> 00:25:49,359 Speaker 1: And then we get that beautiful call back after he 385 00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:56,320 Speaker 1: kisses you, oh yeah, and then he leaves and you're 386 00:25:56,400 --> 00:25:58,080 Speaker 1: just you just have this look on your face and 387 00:25:58,119 --> 00:26:01,200 Speaker 1: you're kind of like wavering a little. It's just kind 388 00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:04,159 Speaker 1: of like in La La Land. It was so great 389 00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:06,480 Speaker 1: that moment, and then we then the actual song called 390 00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:10,760 Speaker 1: I Don't Thinking Boy. That must have cost him a 391 00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:17,080 Speaker 1: pretty petty true right, Yeah, yeah, it was still fresher, 392 00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:19,400 Speaker 1: but probably not. I mean today it would be more, 393 00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:22,760 Speaker 1: but back then it was still but what a great moment. 394 00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:27,719 Speaker 2: They they love their music. The Palladinos. Oh yeah, yeah, 395 00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:29,119 Speaker 2: mm hmmm. 396 00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:35,360 Speaker 1: So great. Not a big Luke Laurelye show. It was really, 397 00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:40,439 Speaker 1: it was really the It was really the Keiko Missus, 398 00:26:40,520 --> 00:26:45,800 Speaker 1: Kim Dave Rgalski Show, and the Emily uh and the 399 00:26:45,880 --> 00:26:48,960 Speaker 1: Emily Richard Laurel Eye Show. 400 00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:51,200 Speaker 2: But you know what I thought was so nice, and 401 00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:53,200 Speaker 2: I meant to mention it when we're actually talking about 402 00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:57,360 Speaker 2: that scene, was that I love when shows do this 403 00:26:57,720 --> 00:27:01,920 Speaker 2: where they say, oh, he looked disappointed, you know, because 404 00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:04,359 Speaker 2: what you did was so subtle. And I love when 405 00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:08,760 Speaker 2: when and that because that shows what it really shows 406 00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:11,760 Speaker 2: to me is how well they know you right right? 407 00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:15,280 Speaker 2: You know. That's always my favorite thing because it actually 408 00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:18,560 Speaker 2: shows in a very quick way you get a feeling 409 00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:23,440 Speaker 2: of how characters are are related to each other when 410 00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:28,480 Speaker 2: they're so affected by a small gesture, right. And I 411 00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:30,879 Speaker 2: thought that was such a great I thought that was 412 00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:34,480 Speaker 2: just such a great way to show those complicated emotions. 413 00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:37,840 Speaker 2: And and how many times, you know, Luke said, oh, 414 00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:39,400 Speaker 2: it's not a big deal. It's not a big deal. 415 00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:41,679 Speaker 2: But we knew, we knew that, you know, we know. 416 00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:45,159 Speaker 2: The opposite is true and just I love Also, I 417 00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:48,400 Speaker 2: love at the point where as soon as they sat down, 418 00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:50,800 Speaker 2: like all the plates are just fully dressed, you know, 419 00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:54,280 Speaker 2: like they all been sitting under the warmer, you know, 420 00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:57,160 Speaker 2: the whole time, just and they came as basically as 421 00:27:57,160 --> 00:27:59,400 Speaker 2: soon as they sat down, they're all like full right. 422 00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:03,840 Speaker 2: So it just tells so much with so little. 423 00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:06,680 Speaker 1: And I also like that she took the marshmallows off 424 00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:10,960 Speaker 1: his plate while he was getting Yes, more marshmallows for her. 425 00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:11,720 Speaker 2: Yes. 426 00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:15,000 Speaker 1: It just shows a closeness, you know, I really I 427 00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:18,439 Speaker 1: love that. But you're right, it's like this writing is 428 00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:23,720 Speaker 1: so good that the challenge is really how small can 429 00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:24,399 Speaker 1: I be? 430 00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:26,239 Speaker 2: Yeah? 431 00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:29,440 Speaker 1: And it really does give you that opportunity because that's 432 00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:32,040 Speaker 1: really where you want to live, in the small and 433 00:28:32,119 --> 00:28:34,720 Speaker 1: the smallness of it, because then it's so big, right 434 00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:40,280 Speaker 1: and you don't need and gosh, man, it's like acting 435 00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:45,120 Speaker 1: Police Central. So many times I have beg for another 436 00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:47,560 Speaker 1: take and I said, well why, It's like I just 437 00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:49,640 Speaker 1: thought it was too big and it was too showy, 438 00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:51,959 Speaker 1: and I got it, just I don't need to do that, 439 00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:55,560 Speaker 1: and they're like, uh okay, and then I'm like, thank. 440 00:28:55,320 --> 00:28:57,480 Speaker 2: God, oh nice, I didn't know that. 441 00:28:57,800 --> 00:29:03,520 Speaker 1: Oh sure, yeah, because you just don't need to do much. Yeah, 442 00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:06,680 Speaker 1: and that's that's the discipline with this writing, you know. 443 00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:09,120 Speaker 2: Well, I think it's also I mean, I think also 444 00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:13,240 Speaker 2: your character was one that had to be restrained because 445 00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:16,760 Speaker 2: it was all about restraint. You know, if you did 446 00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:20,239 Speaker 2: too much, and I'm sure whoever else was auditioning at 447 00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:25,640 Speaker 2: the time, you know, probably did it, probably did too much. 448 00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:30,080 Speaker 1: The supreme challenge of that role. Yeah, so many times 449 00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:34,240 Speaker 1: I just wanted to go bigger. And that's like, no, don't, please, 450 00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:35,000 Speaker 1: don't do that. 451 00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:38,760 Speaker 2: Right because if you kind of once you once you 452 00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:41,400 Speaker 2: go too far, it's hard to pull it back because 453 00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:44,040 Speaker 2: you are you already established it as a different type 454 00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:48,200 Speaker 2: of person. Yeah, it can't like you can't like rein it. 455 00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:51,000 Speaker 2: You can't put it back in the barn or whatever that. 456 00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:55,040 Speaker 1: Thing, right, horse horse out of the barn. Yeah. I 457 00:29:55,080 --> 00:29:59,440 Speaker 1: like those kind of roles. Yeah. Yeah, they're very challenging. 458 00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:03,400 Speaker 1: But gosh, man, you actually can do a lot. You 459 00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:06,400 Speaker 1: can do a lot on top of that. There's a 460 00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:11,600 Speaker 1: lot to do to cover. Yeah, there isn't nothing to do. Yeah, yeah, yes, 461 00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:14,600 Speaker 1: there's a lot you can do on top of it 462 00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:17,280 Speaker 1: without being obvious about it, and that's fun. It's fun 463 00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:20,240 Speaker 1: discovering that stuff. Oh man, I got do you miss 464 00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:24,240 Speaker 1: this show? Do you miss doing this dialogue? You miss 465 00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:27,479 Speaker 1: these situations that they put you in? I do you know? 466 00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:30,240 Speaker 2: What I did? Was when I was watching it. It's 467 00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:34,200 Speaker 2: so funny and actors are so such funny creatures or 468 00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:36,720 Speaker 2: artists or everything. I'm watching it going, oh, I wish 469 00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:40,600 Speaker 2: I could do that scene again. I think I would. 470 00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:43,080 Speaker 2: Do you know, you're always You're always like I'm always 471 00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:48,720 Speaker 2: recalibrating me like hypercritical a little differently if I had 472 00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:52,120 Speaker 2: another shot at it, right, But it's so you know 473 00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:54,400 Speaker 2: what else I thought though when I was watching it 474 00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:59,280 Speaker 2: and I was telling my husband after as well as like, damn, 475 00:30:59,320 --> 00:31:01,760 Speaker 2: it was well, it was well cast. You know. I'm 476 00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:07,800 Speaker 2: looking especially at like especially at Alexis and just thinking like, 477 00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:12,560 Speaker 2: she's she's she's an anomaly, and that she also talk 478 00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:18,160 Speaker 2: about restraints because you she's not out there like pushing 479 00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:22,800 Speaker 2: her acting on you. She's out there being and because 480 00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:26,960 Speaker 2: she is so the shyness and the reserve that you feel, 481 00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:30,760 Speaker 2: you just know as an audience member, you just feel 482 00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:35,040 Speaker 2: the sense of her. It's that other people can go 483 00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:40,200 Speaker 2: and be more extreme. And it's because you're reserved that 484 00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:44,080 Speaker 2: Lorala can be so extreme, you know. It's why Paris 485 00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:48,920 Speaker 2: works off of off of Alexis, do you know, because 486 00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:53,160 Speaker 2: she's so she's so still and people can be so 487 00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:57,520 Speaker 2: big around or when it worked as well, I don't think. 488 00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:02,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, you can't put to people like that together. Yea 489 00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:04,800 Speaker 1: as the core. You know, if you have two people 490 00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:06,880 Speaker 1: that are going off like the fourth of July at 491 00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:10,920 Speaker 1: all times, it gets a little exhausting. Yeah, she's smooth, 492 00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:19,560 Speaker 1: and but again she's working really small, yes, and she's 493 00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:23,560 Speaker 1: really good at it. Her instincts are really great. I'm 494 00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:27,760 Speaker 1: marvel at what she does for somebody who had like 495 00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:32,480 Speaker 1: very little acting experience if any. Yeah, right, I mean 496 00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:35,840 Speaker 1: she's just like coming at a was she even taking 497 00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:40,920 Speaker 1: acting classes and then she walks into this audition and 498 00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:44,240 Speaker 1: she was a freshman at NY she was like she 499 00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:46,560 Speaker 1: was like going to film school, right. 500 00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:48,920 Speaker 2: I think at the beginning she was even more interested 501 00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:54,080 Speaker 2: in directing or something like that. Yeah, film interested necessarily. Ye. 502 00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:58,280 Speaker 1: And she's got all of these instincts and it's just 503 00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:03,280 Speaker 1: marvel at it. Me too, I'm marvel at what she 504 00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:05,960 Speaker 1: was capable of doing. The more I watch this, I'm 505 00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:09,560 Speaker 1: just like, wow, me too. You know that's where I'm 506 00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:18,560 Speaker 1: trying to get to. Damn it. It's it's that easy. 507 00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:21,640 Speaker 2: You know, give us another decade and a half. Well, 508 00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:22,800 Speaker 2: it'll be. 509 00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:24,360 Speaker 1: Fine to get there one day. 510 00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:26,080 Speaker 2: We're going We're getting close. 511 00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:42,120 Speaker 1: We're getting there, We're getting there, all right. This closing scene, this, uh, 512 00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:47,840 Speaker 1: you know, Suki's brilliance, Melissa McCarthy's brilliance on full display 513 00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:51,560 Speaker 1: here doing an incredibly like if we were to compare 514 00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:57,440 Speaker 1: this to like the ten meter platform diving competition, this 515 00:33:57,480 --> 00:34:01,040 Speaker 1: would be a very degree of difficult on. This dive 516 00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:07,800 Speaker 1: is like through the roof. And she kind of did 517 00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:08,440 Speaker 1: it with ease. 518 00:34:09,560 --> 00:34:11,480 Speaker 2: Yes, it looks very easy. 519 00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:14,520 Speaker 1: And it and it and it and she the comedy 520 00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:22,000 Speaker 1: was there, She nailed all everything. Everything was perfect. That 521 00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:25,000 Speaker 1: that performance right there, the way she laid it down 522 00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:29,439 Speaker 1: was perfection. Now a detail left out? 523 00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:34,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, what do you say at ease? That's a great word. Yes, 524 00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:36,240 Speaker 2: she just let it flow. 525 00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:42,239 Speaker 1: Man. Man, I rewound that scene four times and watched it, 526 00:34:43,200 --> 00:34:47,120 Speaker 1: and it's just the woman is a miracle, a miracle. 527 00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:55,359 Speaker 1: Uh so really just just fantastic work. And and then 528 00:34:55,440 --> 00:35:01,520 Speaker 1: we have the final scene, the closing well, well not 529 00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:06,200 Speaker 1: the final scene. This is the penultimate scene where Rory 530 00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:10,920 Speaker 1: and just kiss She kisses him in front of the diner, 531 00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:15,880 Speaker 1: making a statement, making a big statement like we're doing 532 00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:19,200 Speaker 1: this in front of Luke and Laura l I and 533 00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:22,080 Speaker 1: here I go, I'm gonna smoot cheru right in front 534 00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:27,440 Speaker 1: of the window here right, And uh, it just makes 535 00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:30,480 Speaker 1: me like her even more because she's just trying to 536 00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:35,840 Speaker 1: make the guy feel better, you know, and she probably 537 00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:36,920 Speaker 1: wants to kiss him too. 538 00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:42,279 Speaker 2: Yeah, And she's trying to she's trying to grow up 539 00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:46,839 Speaker 2: in this town where everyone knows who she is. She's 540 00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:51,719 Speaker 2: kind of like she's kind of like this a celebrity. 541 00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:55,080 Speaker 2: Well it's a small town, so everyone knows who who 542 00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:59,120 Speaker 2: who everyone is. But but Rory, it's it's she is 543 00:35:59,239 --> 00:36:02,400 Speaker 2: like every one loves her, you know, everyone feels a 544 00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:06,720 Speaker 2: certain way of protective about her or and she and 545 00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:09,520 Speaker 2: and have known her since she was a child, and 546 00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:15,080 Speaker 2: so how does how does she establish herself as as 547 00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:16,200 Speaker 2: not a child anymore? 548 00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:23,040 Speaker 1: Ye? Growing pains? We're watching it, yeah, beautiful. Uh. And 549 00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:27,440 Speaker 1: then this this final confrontation scene between Jeane and Desk, 550 00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:37,440 Speaker 1: Gene and Dess Jess and Dean. Well, Dean's character takes 551 00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:41,239 Speaker 1: a step into the spotlight, doesn't he It's like, this 552 00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:44,800 Speaker 1: ain't over, buddy. The chickens are coming home to roost. 553 00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:45,040 Speaker 2: Now. 554 00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:50,359 Speaker 1: Uh, that was quite something. That was real drama. That 555 00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:53,680 Speaker 1: was that was a beautiful setup for what's to come 556 00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:56,840 Speaker 1: or what could come. And uh, you know, if I 557 00:36:56,920 --> 00:37:01,640 Speaker 1: got a six foot four dude who's angry and has 558 00:37:01,680 --> 00:37:05,479 Speaker 1: a real bond to pick, that's like Jess was looking 559 00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:08,080 Speaker 1: pretty small in that scene. Whunny. I mean you you 560 00:37:08,200 --> 00:37:10,920 Speaker 1: really notice the height difference there, and and and an 561 00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:14,279 Speaker 1: angry six foot four is much different from a from 562 00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:16,520 Speaker 1: a kind of a mousey guy who's just sort of 563 00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:18,160 Speaker 1: taking it on the chin all the time. 564 00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:25,920 Speaker 2: And we noticed that, we noticed that who do they 565 00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:31,279 Speaker 2: give the leather jacket to this time? It's I was like, oh, 566 00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:35,680 Speaker 2: they're establishing something. Who's the bad boy? Dean's wearing a 567 00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:41,640 Speaker 2: leather jacket, yes, has this nice blue sweater on. So 568 00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:45,400 Speaker 2: it's also one of those subtle things where you're like, oh, somebody, 569 00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:47,000 Speaker 2: somebody's getting tough. 570 00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:54,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, man, man, what's gonna happen? What's gonna happen? Overall? 571 00:37:55,080 --> 00:37:59,800 Speaker 1: I gotta say so far, and this keeps changing for you. 572 00:37:59,880 --> 00:38:01,759 Speaker 1: But this is my favorite episode so far. 573 00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:05,279 Speaker 2: Are you sure you don't say that all the time. 574 00:38:05,640 --> 00:38:08,160 Speaker 1: I don't say it all the time. I don't say 575 00:38:08,200 --> 00:38:10,880 Speaker 1: it all the time. This is about I thought, I, 576 00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:14,640 Speaker 1: you know, two on two prior occasions, I had favorite episodes, 577 00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:16,879 Speaker 1: like I didn't think anything could knock it off this. 578 00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:22,000 Speaker 2: Wow, Oh wow, wow, that's saying a lot. 579 00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:26,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, this this was my There just wasn't a flaw. 580 00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:28,640 Speaker 1: There was so much in it. 581 00:38:29,120 --> 00:38:31,239 Speaker 2: There are a lot of they stuffed it like they 582 00:38:31,239 --> 00:38:32,040 Speaker 2: stuffed the turkey. 583 00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:35,600 Speaker 1: Yes, Thanksgiving and it's a big it's probably a sweeps week. 584 00:38:36,520 --> 00:38:40,800 Speaker 1: Oh that's true, you know, thanksgiv big Thanksgiving episode. And 585 00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:45,279 Speaker 1: after I was done watching, you know, my wife came 586 00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:49,279 Speaker 1: in and we were watching the second half together and 587 00:38:50,719 --> 00:38:54,200 Speaker 1: I turned to when I said, this show is never 588 00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:57,600 Speaker 1: going to go away. She goes, you're just beginning to 589 00:38:57,719 --> 00:39:05,000 Speaker 1: realize that now, I said, But this doesn't age. This 590 00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:08,920 Speaker 1: is so good, I said, how is anybody ever going 591 00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:16,000 Speaker 1: to match this? Yeah? This is extraordinary. This show is extraordinary. 592 00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:19,520 Speaker 1: You know, we didn't even ask you any questions. You 593 00:39:19,680 --> 00:39:25,880 Speaker 1: narrated Christine Eckert's book Meet Me at Lukes. I did 594 00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:32,919 Speaker 1: about the life and love lessons of Gilmore Girls. You 595 00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:35,920 Speaker 1: narrated Meet Me at Lukes. You narrated it. 596 00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:39,640 Speaker 2: I did so the audio if you buy the audio book, 597 00:39:40,239 --> 00:39:45,160 Speaker 2: it's my voice, but it's really Christine's story. So a 598 00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:48,560 Speaker 2: lot of the book is a lot about her personal life, 599 00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:52,799 Speaker 2: which very interesting, and then also lessons that can be 600 00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:54,880 Speaker 2: learned from Gilmore Girls. 601 00:39:55,120 --> 00:39:57,080 Speaker 1: Okay, Okay, great, Okay. 602 00:39:57,480 --> 00:40:00,799 Speaker 2: I get that for a few for few days and 603 00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:05,319 Speaker 2: got to got to spend time with it and got 604 00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:08,360 Speaker 2: reminded also a lot about all of the different scenes 605 00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:12,279 Speaker 2: that are in Gilmo Girls. She kind of spans the 606 00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:13,640 Speaker 2: whole series. 607 00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:16,359 Speaker 1: In a way. Okay, cool, and something you're doing now, 608 00:40:17,239 --> 00:40:22,600 Speaker 1: you're starring in Breaking Bread and improv improvised family dinner 609 00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:27,920 Speaker 1: at the outside in theater every Saturday until Christmas. This 610 00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:30,160 Speaker 1: is an unscripted show. How's that going? 611 00:40:30,600 --> 00:40:32,879 Speaker 2: Yes? Oh, I love it. We just had our first one. 612 00:40:33,160 --> 00:40:36,920 Speaker 2: I'm gonna I'm filling in and I'm adding a show 613 00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:40,480 Speaker 2: with them this Saturday because we have a cast that's 614 00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:46,920 Speaker 2: changing because it's improv But outside In is a new space. 615 00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:49,000 Speaker 2: It's Tamlintimita, who I've known for a long time, and 616 00:40:49,080 --> 00:40:54,879 Speaker 2: her husband, Daniel Blinkoff, and they do scripted and unscripted, 617 00:40:55,480 --> 00:40:59,640 Speaker 2: but the unscripted is as a result of a lot 618 00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:02,040 Speaker 2: of soul though together. So we get to know each 619 00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:05,920 Speaker 2: other as improvisers really well in this mt and then 620 00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:09,719 Speaker 2: this one is a holiday show, so we actually eat food. 621 00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:12,839 Speaker 2: We all bring. I bring mac and cheese. It's very good. 622 00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:16,560 Speaker 2: People love it. I know it's weird to brag about 623 00:41:16,600 --> 00:41:18,359 Speaker 2: mac and cheese, but I'm telling you it's really good. 624 00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:21,600 Speaker 2: If you had it, it's really good. And so we 625 00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:24,560 Speaker 2: bring it and we improvise the first half and then 626 00:41:24,640 --> 00:41:28,040 Speaker 2: the second part of the show after intermission we actually 627 00:41:28,080 --> 00:41:32,320 Speaker 2: eat and it's a family dinner. That's speaking of underlying 628 00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:37,680 Speaker 2: tensions within family. Things start kind of exploding and having 629 00:41:39,680 --> 00:41:42,040 Speaker 2: ramifications of all of the secrets that have sort of 630 00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:43,080 Speaker 2: built up over the. 631 00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:46,759 Speaker 1: That's fun, all right. It's super fun breaking bread and 632 00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:50,400 Speaker 1: improvised family dinner at the outside in theater every Saturday 633 00:41:50,440 --> 00:41:53,040 Speaker 1: until Christmas. Where's the outside in theater? Is it downtown 634 00:41:53,320 --> 00:41:54,799 Speaker 1: Highland Park Park? 635 00:41:55,160 --> 00:42:01,000 Speaker 2: It's new. Yeah, it's gorgeous town. I've I've loved her forever, 636 00:42:01,120 --> 00:42:05,000 Speaker 2: but she has like impeccable taste and in clothing and everything. 637 00:42:05,040 --> 00:42:08,120 Speaker 2: She always looks fantastic and she has brought that to 638 00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:11,799 Speaker 2: this space, so it just looks gorgeous. They have a 639 00:42:11,840 --> 00:42:19,040 Speaker 2: skylight that is like a stained glass skylight that is phenomenal. 640 00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:24,880 Speaker 1: All right, go check it out, everybody. Thank you again 641 00:42:25,080 --> 00:42:28,520 Speaker 1: for spending some time with us. It's always a pleasure 642 00:42:29,640 --> 00:42:31,240 Speaker 1: breaking down these episodes. 643 00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:33,640 Speaker 2: With you, and thank you. 644 00:42:33,680 --> 00:42:39,759 Speaker 1: Maybe I'm not announcing anything, but maybe maybe maybe we'll 645 00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:44,680 Speaker 1: see over the holidays. I don't know. Perhaps perhaps maybe 646 00:42:44,719 --> 00:42:47,640 Speaker 1: we'll see it holidays made here. I don't know. I'm 647 00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:51,600 Speaker 1: not saying anything. Maybe we'll see you. I'm doing a residency. 648 00:42:51,640 --> 00:42:53,640 Speaker 1: I'm doing a seventeen day residency, so. 649 00:42:55,520 --> 00:42:57,960 Speaker 2: Sort of you are putting in the hours. 650 00:42:57,880 --> 00:43:00,160 Speaker 1: My friend, I'm gonna be there every day. 651 00:43:00,600 --> 00:43:02,680 Speaker 2: You're You're gonna need to drink your own coffee and 652 00:43:02,719 --> 00:43:09,760 Speaker 2: get there and have the energy. 653 00:43:10,520 --> 00:43:15,400 Speaker 1: Always enjoy, good luck with your new show and the 654 00:43:15,480 --> 00:43:20,840 Speaker 1: success of Meet Me Luke's and and remember, best fans 655 00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:24,920 Speaker 1: on the planet watching the best show on the planet. 656 00:43:24,920 --> 00:43:27,840 Speaker 1: And maybe that has ever been. The more I watch it, 657 00:43:27,840 --> 00:43:31,240 Speaker 1: the more I am convinced of that it's not just opinion, 658 00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:37,319 Speaker 1: it's becoming fact. It's becoming fact and keep the cards 659 00:43:37,360 --> 00:43:41,960 Speaker 1: and letters coming. And we really appreciate the communicas and 660 00:43:42,120 --> 00:43:44,120 Speaker 1: remember where you lead, we will follow. 661 00:43:44,160 --> 00:44:14,880 Speaker 3: Stay safe everyone, Hey, everybody to forget. 662 00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:19,000 Speaker 1: Follow us on Instagram at i Am all In podcast 663 00:44:19,080 --> 00:44:32,120 Speaker 1: and email us at Gilmore at iHeartRadio dot com