WEBVTT - The Talk with Chrishell Hartley

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<v Speaker 1>Everybody.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, sure, wind down with Jane Kramer and Michael Cosson

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<v Speaker 2>and wow, you.

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<v Speaker 3>Know that it was a name change. It's like a

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<v Speaker 3>fish and Michael cuss It's like official. Oh dad didn't

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<v Speaker 3>get neither.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't get that j in her abbreviation.

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<v Speaker 3>Made I hung out with Julie too late last night,

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<v Speaker 3>so yeah, that's true. I was breaking up all my words.

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<v Speaker 3>It's that out.

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<v Speaker 1>I came.

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<v Speaker 3>Real fast. We just got to thank everyone that came

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<v Speaker 3>out to the podcast tour because it was insane, mark

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<v Speaker 3>like crazy.

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<v Speaker 1>I believe it. It was nuts.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, the crowd was amazing. Everyone asks awesome questions, interaction.

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<v Speaker 3>I felt like we were comedians but also therapists. And

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<v Speaker 3>then I sang songs. It was the cool It was

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<v Speaker 3>the coolest the three day thing we've ever done. We

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<v Speaker 3>shout out to everyone that went because it was insane

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<v Speaker 3>and just I loved every second of it.

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<v Speaker 1>Virginia and New York, Boston, everyone showed up and it

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<v Speaker 1>really just it felt like a party every night, like

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<v Speaker 1>it was crazy. Like after the whole run, Jane and

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<v Speaker 1>I are just in the back of the bus, like

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<v Speaker 1>what just happened?

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<v Speaker 3>We just couldn't believe people showed up. It was cool.

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<v Speaker 4>It was really cool, right because you.

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<v Speaker 2>Do this show in a room it's three other people,

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<v Speaker 2>like it was if anybody's listening to it, and then.

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<v Speaker 4>You go and all these people are there cheering for you.

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<v Speaker 1>That's so great.

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<v Speaker 3>It was crazy, and people like laughed. It was I

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<v Speaker 3>don't know, it was just really cool. People laughed, they

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<v Speaker 3>did they laughed. And I don't want to say some

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<v Speaker 3>of the bits. But like our opening song, we can't

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<v Speaker 3>talk about it just in case if we do another

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<v Speaker 3>few dates, because the opening song that Michael walks out

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<v Speaker 3>to is hilarious.

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<v Speaker 4>It's perfect.

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<v Speaker 3>It's the funniest thing ever. But again, sorry, Mark, we

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<v Speaker 3>can't share it because.

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<v Speaker 1>Those are only for the live viewers.

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<v Speaker 3>But they know what we're talking about.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm really excited because we're about to move.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah we are. You're sad.

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<v Speaker 3>I am getting sad really Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>Why? Well, because because it's sixty five seventy here and

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<v Speaker 1>it's going to be ninety five and miserable and natural. Yeah. Same.

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<v Speaker 3>Michael's driving his truck cross country in a few days,

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<v Speaker 3>so that's going to be interesting.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that'll be fun. Me two dogs and my brother.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I've got the kids four days, so which one.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Gianna keeps throwing that at Me's like I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 1>be stuck with the kids. I'm like, if you want

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<v Speaker 1>to switch, by all means, go drive two thousand miles

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<v Speaker 1>across country.

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<v Speaker 3>Now. I would love to be the passenger because I

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<v Speaker 3>would want to stop along the way and see things

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<v Speaker 3>like I would want to do the Grand Canyons again

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<v Speaker 3>and do that route, and then maybe I don't know,

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<v Speaker 3>to stop at like all the cool little touristy things

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<v Speaker 3>like the big hay ball or a haything, the.

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<v Speaker 1>World's biggest ball of yarn or something like that.

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<v Speaker 3>I just find that stuff super interesting, and like, I

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<v Speaker 3>don't know, there'd be such quality time. And I know

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<v Speaker 3>that you also love quality time.

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<v Speaker 1>I love quality time. But yeah, I drew the short straw.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't. You're riding with your brother, though, which I

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<v Speaker 3>think is really cute. Michael has a brother that's fourteen

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<v Speaker 3>years younger than him, so.

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<v Speaker 1>He's about to graduate high school. So before he goes

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<v Speaker 1>off to college, him and I are going to have

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<v Speaker 1>this road trip together, which is gonna be a really

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<v Speaker 1>cool memory.

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<v Speaker 3>Are you guys gonna, you know, talk about well, I'm

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<v Speaker 3>sure he's already had the He've already had the sex

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<v Speaker 3>talk with him.

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<v Speaker 1>He's eighteen.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh and his parents did find condoms right?

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<v Speaker 1>Yes?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh god, sorry Jack good. He doesn't listen.

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<v Speaker 1>No, he doesn't.

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<v Speaker 3>Well on your drive, y'all give you this.

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<v Speaker 1>It's funny. It's probably not even his friends. His teachers

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<v Speaker 1>probably listen.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh gosh, I just okay, let me talk about this

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<v Speaker 3>really fast. We were at I was at a friend's

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<v Speaker 3>house and the kids were playing and I don't know

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<v Speaker 3>what to do. Mark, this is interesting. I kind of

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<v Speaker 3>want you to pipe him because you have kids older.

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<v Speaker 3>So it was arranged so Jolie's. Three of the girls

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<v Speaker 3>was four, one of the boys was five, and I

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<v Speaker 3>took a call in the other room because I was

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<v Speaker 3>kind of the mom that was staying down stairs with

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<v Speaker 3>the kids, and all of a sudden, the kids like,

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<v Speaker 3>do you want to live? Or do you want me

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<v Speaker 3>to kill you? Do you want to die? And I'm like,

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<v Speaker 3>he didn't just say that, And so I walk back

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<v Speaker 3>in the room and he's just like, you can go

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<v Speaker 3>to heaven or I can kill you. Do you guys

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<v Speaker 3>want to die? And I just thought that was super inappropriate.

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<v Speaker 4>Wow, right, yeah, I'd be horrified by it.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, I go whoha, whoa, whoa.

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<v Speaker 5>I go, you can't.

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<v Speaker 3>I was like, that is very inappropriate language and he's like, no,

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<v Speaker 3>it's not, and I said, yes, it is our daughter.

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<v Speaker 3>My daughter's three. I don't want her hearing that, so

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<v Speaker 3>please stop talking about the D word, thank you. But

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<v Speaker 3>then I start thinking about it, like should they know death?

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<v Speaker 3>And like that's the thing. I what age is he talking?

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<v Speaker 1>He doesn't really know what that means? He's five? He

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<v Speaker 1>was five, so he said.

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<v Speaker 3>I believe he's five. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, so that's that age where it's you're impressionable, right,

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<v Speaker 1>so you probably hear something.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, And the girls were like laughing. I'm like, that's

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<v Speaker 3>not funny. We're not laughing about death, guys, because.

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<v Speaker 1>They don't know what. I don't really understand.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, but the way he was saying, he's like, I'm

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<v Speaker 3>going to kill you.

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<v Speaker 5>Oh.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, regardless if I'm understanding it or not, he

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<v Speaker 1>needs to know not to say that period ever.

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<v Speaker 4>So where is he hearing that?

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<v Speaker 3>That's exactly like You're like, but kids, that's what I'm

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<v Speaker 3>just scared of. I those kids know things sooner now.

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<v Speaker 3>But to say I'm going to.

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<v Speaker 1>Kill you, that's up to that's the thing that's up

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<v Speaker 1>to the parents. That's that's parenting. That's what that is.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not not parenting. Like if your kid ends up

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<v Speaker 1>saying that you did a bad job, but if you

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<v Speaker 1>don't talk about it and fix that, then that's bad parenting.

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<v Speaker 5>I like it.

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<v Speaker 3>It just made me really uncomfortable.

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<v Speaker 2>I bet a lot of those things have come up

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<v Speaker 2>over the years where something will come up with like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>we don't talk about that, But then in the back

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<v Speaker 2>of my mind, I'm like, should.

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<v Speaker 1>We be talking about that?

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<v Speaker 4>Should they know about yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>Because I mean, that's one of the saddest things about

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<v Speaker 2>being a parent, in my opinion, is when they realize

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<v Speaker 2>that the world isn't rainbows and unicorns. Right when they're three,

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<v Speaker 2>everything's wonderful in the world. The world is parks and

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<v Speaker 2>play dates and chicken nuggets and television and everything's great.

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<v Speaker 2>And then they start to realize that there was a

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<v Speaker 2>nine to eleven and that there are people who shoot

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<v Speaker 2>people and kill them in public places, and that's the

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<v Speaker 2>stuff that when they start to realize.

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<v Speaker 4>That stuff, it's heartbreaking.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, But when are they ready for that, and when

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<v Speaker 2>do you talk about this, When do you stop shielding

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<v Speaker 2>from that? And should you ever shield them from that?

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<v Speaker 2>And that's the part I've always had a hard time,

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<v Speaker 2>So what did you do? We've shielded them from that,

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<v Speaker 2>We've made the decision to kind of keep that away

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<v Speaker 2>from them, and then they kind of will learn about

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<v Speaker 2>it in school, they'll learn about it in the world,

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<v Speaker 2>and then they'll come home and ask us about it,

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<v Speaker 2>and then we can talk about it. I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>if that's the best thing.

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<v Speaker 1>It may not be, but I think to your point,

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<v Speaker 1>I see why it would be the best thing, because

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<v Speaker 1>if you and your wife have offered an inviting, a

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<v Speaker 1>a comfortable environment for them to bring those kind of

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<v Speaker 1>things to you, then I think that backs up y'all's

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<v Speaker 1>kind of theory behind it. Now, if you didn't, if

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<v Speaker 1>you didn't have a comfortable household for them to bring

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<v Speaker 1>up stuff with you and didn't talk about it, then

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<v Speaker 1>there's no room for them right space for them to

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<v Speaker 1>discuss it.

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<v Speaker 2>My wife went to a seminar recently that was specifically

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<v Speaker 2>about sex talk and how do you do that with

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<v Speaker 2>your kids? And the main lesson from the teacher or

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<v Speaker 2>whatever you call them. Was that when they come to

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<v Speaker 2>you with questions, you answer them honestly and it's no

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<v Speaker 2>big deal because it scares us because when they come

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<v Speaker 2>to us and ask a question that we can feel

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<v Speaker 2>like is completely inappropriate about specific sexual acts.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I don't know what that is.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, that's our instinct. This guy, I don't want

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<v Speaker 2>to talk about that. But that's not the right move.

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<v Speaker 2>The right move is oh, yeah, that's what this is.

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<v Speaker 2>And yeah, people do it, yeap deal, No, it's no

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<v Speaker 2>big deal.

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<v Speaker 3>We know it's crazy. So I this isn't a plug.

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<v Speaker 3>But I partnered with a company of Committee for Children

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<v Speaker 3>and it was all about kids. Ninety it was eighty

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<v Speaker 3>nine or it was like ninety percent of kids know

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<v Speaker 3>their abuser when we're going sexual, which is like the

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<v Speaker 3>whole stranger danger thing, like that's not even a that's

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<v Speaker 3>that's actually myth.

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<v Speaker 1>And I was already meth this is not as impactful

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<v Speaker 1>as people that are close to you.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, no, I mean I was taught stranger danger.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, I think you all are, which people they

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<v Speaker 1>should kids should still not go with a stranger. I

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<v Speaker 1>shouldtill understand that.

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<v Speaker 3>But that's talking to your kids about like how to

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<v Speaker 3>it was. It's actually really cool if you guys should look.

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<v Speaker 3>It's called hot Chocolate talk dot org. But it's about

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<v Speaker 3>how to talk to your kids about because Jolie pointed

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<v Speaker 3>to my privates and I was like, what is that?

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<v Speaker 3>And I was like, oh, it's mummies, like hu ha,

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<v Speaker 3>Like I just made up a name, and I was like,

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<v Speaker 3>I probably should name it, like actually, give it the

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<v Speaker 3>proper name.

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<v Speaker 4>Yah, that's what we were told to give it the name, give.

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<v Speaker 3>It the name, give it the yeah, and say he's

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<v Speaker 3>got a penis. I don't know if we can say

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<v Speaker 3>that on air, but it's it's just very interesting because

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<v Speaker 3>you want kids to be able to talk to you,

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<v Speaker 3>But I think it's so awkward and uncomfortable for us

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<v Speaker 3>to have those conversations because I'm not ready to talk

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<v Speaker 3>to Joli about death. I want her to be right.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't want to, which I think is okay.

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<v Speaker 2>It's hard to talk about stranger danger because then then

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<v Speaker 2>I say, well why why, Well, somebody met one people

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<v Speaker 2>in this world who might want to take you, and

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<v Speaker 2>then why would they want to take me?

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<v Speaker 4>Well, I don't want to talk about that part. You know,

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<v Speaker 4>it's weird. It's a tough thing.

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<v Speaker 3>It's just starting to get real complicated and starting to

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<v Speaker 3>kind of stress me out a little bit because I

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<v Speaker 3>don't want to do it the right wrong way. I

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<v Speaker 3>want them to be able to come and talk to us,

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<v Speaker 3>but then it's also scary, and I just like, ugh.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't like it.

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<v Speaker 3>I think I don't know what to do.

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<v Speaker 1>Kind of what Mark was touching on is like, I

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<v Speaker 1>feel pretty comfortable in having those conversations. I honestly don't

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<v Speaker 1>think I'll be that uncomfortable. I think it's because it

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<v Speaker 1>is just you just say it like it is, because

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<v Speaker 1>you don't want to make something taboo, right, you don't

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<v Speaker 1>want to create this like secret thing around it, and

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<v Speaker 1>then it all of a sudden becomes that urge for

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<v Speaker 1>people to do Oh, I want to do this because

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<v Speaker 1>it's taboo, it's wrong.

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<v Speaker 2>And you don't want them to learn about it from

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<v Speaker 2>their friends at school, right because they're going to get

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<v Speaker 2>inaccurate information.

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<v Speaker 1>Absolutely.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know why, but the death thing is just

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<v Speaker 3>really freaking me out a really hard time.

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<v Speaker 1>That it's really hard, especially with today's the environment of

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<v Speaker 1>today's society, with everything going on, that's terrifying to.

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<v Speaker 3>Hear and also our girlfriend. I know, we just like

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<v Speaker 3>got negative. We'll bring it back up, but I just

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<v Speaker 3>it scares me in today's society because a very great

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<v Speaker 3>school in Nashville where our kids are most likely going

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<v Speaker 3>to go to elementary or high school. One of the

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<v Speaker 3>kids sent a picture because my girlfriend crawled and told

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<v Speaker 3>me this send a picture to a friend saying, look

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<v Speaker 3>how many guns I can fit into my backpack? Don't

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<v Speaker 3>go to school tomorrow.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my god.

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<v Speaker 3>And that isn't a one of the top places school,

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<v Speaker 3>like they're ranked ten in Nashville or Brentwood, And it's like,

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<v Speaker 3>holy crap. That's like even I'm like, oh god, I'm

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<v Speaker 3>like terrified to send Joel to school.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's one of the things. Actually when this came up,

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<v Speaker 1>Jane and I were talking about it, where like the

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<v Speaker 1>relieving part to get out of La County is, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the homeless, the chances of things happening just playing a

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<v Speaker 1>numbers game. And if you think about a terrorist attack, right,

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<v Speaker 1>it's gonna be La Chicago, New York. You know, big cities, right.

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<v Speaker 1>You think the chances of a terrorist attack in Nashville

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<v Speaker 1>are you know, smaller than major city, right, God willing

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<v Speaker 1>but the school stuff can touch anywhere anywhere.

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<v Speaker 3>How in freaking Brentwood, Tennessee. Yeah, just makes me really sad.

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<v Speaker 3>And then I'm like, is it the parents? Is the

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<v Speaker 3>kids just being funny? Because that sort of ended up

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<v Speaker 3>being the kid just thought it was funny. That's not

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<v Speaker 3>whoever thinks that. If my daughter thinks that's funny, I'm

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<v Speaker 3>going to I'm in the ground over the rest of

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<v Speaker 3>her life. That's not funny.

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<v Speaker 4>So the parents and teachers got involved and investigated.

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<v Speaker 3>The situation the whole Thank you he was joking. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>I mean it's like, who thinks that's funny?

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<v Speaker 1>Like we're talking to our friend who told us this.

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<v Speaker 1>We're like we all agreed, like that kid should get

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<v Speaker 1>locked up for a few days, just giving scared straight,

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<v Speaker 1>give them twenty four hours in a cell, Like look, dumbass,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't care how how funny you think this is,

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<v Speaker 1>how old you are you do this. You got to

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<v Speaker 1>pay a little bit something like a little bit more

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<v Speaker 1>than a slap on the wrist, Like this isn't good.

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<v Speaker 1>Just it's just too sensitive.

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<v Speaker 3>I would expel the kid. Yeah, if I was a principal,

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<v Speaker 3>because I'm always Michael always makes fun of me. But

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<v Speaker 3>I always say, like, in your right brain, how did

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<v Speaker 3>you think this was right? Like, we had an issue

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<v Speaker 3>with a few things in our house, So I always

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<v Speaker 3>like to know people's like thought process. So my thought

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<v Speaker 3>process for the kid is like, how did you think

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<v Speaker 3>this is funny? Because all these kids have lost their

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<v Speaker 3>lives and I don't know. I just get really upset

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<v Speaker 3>about that. All right, we have an awesome in studio

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<v Speaker 3>guest today, Krishelle Hartley. Before we talk to her, though,

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<v Speaker 3>let's take a quick break, all right.

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<v Speaker 3>studio we have the gorgeous Chrishelle Hartley.

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<v Speaker 5>Thank you.

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<v Speaker 3>You're like, like genuinely beautiful, Like you're so pretty. Stop,

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<v Speaker 3>that's so nice.

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<v Speaker 5>Thank you so much.

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<v Speaker 3>You're so pretty. You're obviously you.

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<v Speaker 1>There we go Battle of the beauties.

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<v Speaker 4>You're more pretty.

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<v Speaker 5>Well when you just see someone from Instagram, I'm like, oh,

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<v Speaker 5>I'm excited to me and you you look better in person,

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<v Speaker 5>if that's possible. Normally it's the opposite, babe, I love you.

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<v Speaker 3>Been here. So you are married to Justin Hartley. I

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<v Speaker 3>am how long you as married for?

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<v Speaker 5>Uh, we'll be married in October two years, but we'll

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<v Speaker 5>be together.

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<v Speaker 3>Six sex okay. And then you guys met on a soap, right, No,

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<v Speaker 3>actually you did soap?

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<v Speaker 5>So I did, okay, And I was working with one

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<v Speaker 5>of his best friends on Days of Our lif and

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<v Speaker 5>he his first job ever was on Passions and so they.

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<v Speaker 3>Were best friend fashion. That was my guilty pleasure, and

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<v Speaker 3>then it just ended and I was like, no.

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<v Speaker 1>I know.

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<v Speaker 5>So I was working with his friend on Days of

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<v Speaker 5>our Lives and he asked him to kind of like,

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<v Speaker 5>what's the deal? You know, she's single, and so the

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<v Speaker 5>friend is actually a terrible matchmaker because he didn't tell

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<v Speaker 5>me that at first, and I went on to date

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<v Speaker 5>some really weird people, and then I later on asked him, Hey,

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<v Speaker 5>what's the deal with your friend Justin? He obviously seems

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<v Speaker 5>single and very handsome and anyway, and that's when we

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<v Speaker 5>figured it all out. And so if I hadn't asked,

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<v Speaker 5>we give him a hard time, like.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, right maker? And how long was he divorced before

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<v Speaker 3>you guys?

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<v Speaker 5>Two years?

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, So then Isabella was.

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<v Speaker 5>She was nine when I came into her life.

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<v Speaker 3>She's the sweetest, by the way, I really is. She's

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<v Speaker 3>so sweet. Oh hello, Justin. We did a movie together

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<v Speaker 3>years ago.

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<v Speaker 1>I remember what we saw.

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<v Speaker 3>So I'm at the and that's where I met her daughter,

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<v Speaker 3>his daughter, y'all's daughter. Yeah, and she's really sweet. But

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<v Speaker 3>I'm curious, like how that was going in at that age.

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<v Speaker 5>So actually I think nine years old was that. I

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<v Speaker 5>don't know every other person's experience, but I can only

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<v Speaker 5>speak for mine. It was a great age because she

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<v Speaker 5>looked at me and she liked my dress, and she

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<v Speaker 5>liked my hair and she didn't it pretty yeah, So,

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<v Speaker 5>and I used to be a camp counselor and the

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<v Speaker 5>little girls were like that same age group, perfect, so

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<v Speaker 5>it was kind of an easy fit in the beginning.

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<v Speaker 5>And then you know it's not. You know, you go

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<v Speaker 5>through different things throughout when they start to grow and

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<v Speaker 5>those kind of things. But I will say the beginning,

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<v Speaker 5>I feel like I got I got out a little

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<v Speaker 5>easy because she was just so enthralled with, you know,

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<v Speaker 5>my purse or my shoes or my hair. So I

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<v Speaker 5>had an easy audience.

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<v Speaker 3>How has the co parenting been with the other lady?

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<v Speaker 5>Yes, so, you know, I feel like she's you know,

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<v Speaker 5>you know, well, I feel like probably a lot of

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<v Speaker 5>your listeners are gone through the same thing. And it's

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<v Speaker 5>a process, you know, it doesn't it's not always something

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<v Speaker 5>that's like the easiest thing. And then you learn and

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<v Speaker 5>you grow and everyone kind of like gets their own boundaries,

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<v Speaker 5>and as time goes on, then it ends up just

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<v Speaker 5>being your normal and hopefully that's something that you know,

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<v Speaker 5>you want it to be healthy for the child obviously,

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<v Speaker 5>so that's if that's everyone's goal, then you've you've got

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<v Speaker 5>it made.

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<v Speaker 1>And how is it when you when you are in

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<v Speaker 1>that situation kind of getting to the point where because obviously,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, she's a part of your life and she's

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<v Speaker 1>your kid too at this point, right because you're married

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<v Speaker 1>to Justin. So at what point did you start to

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<v Speaker 1>feel where you could kind of be a disciplinarian and

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<v Speaker 1>kind of take on that motherly but not stepping over

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<v Speaker 1>boundaries like I have. I really feel like that's going

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<v Speaker 1>to be difficult for.

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<v Speaker 5>It is it is, and I feel like I connect

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<v Speaker 5>with any other you know, parent in my place because

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<v Speaker 5>it's really tough. You know, I have to try and

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<v Speaker 5>play like you know, sometimes i'm her friend and she'll

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<v Speaker 5>ask me questions that she wouldn't feel comfortable asking her parents.

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<v Speaker 5>And so I've had to go from not having kids

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<v Speaker 5>to all of a sudden jumping into the like, oh

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<v Speaker 5>my god, I've answered some of the most uncomfortable like

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<v Speaker 5>coming of age, you know, those kind of questions where

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<v Speaker 5>I'm like, Okay, how do I explain to her what

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<v Speaker 5>this is? I don't know if I'm allowed to say

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<v Speaker 5>all I had to explain what sixty nine was.

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<v Speaker 1>We were just talking about this.

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<v Speaker 5>It's one of those things. It's like, you're right, it's

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<v Speaker 5>she they're making jokes about it at school, So what

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<v Speaker 5>do you not? You have to tell her because she's

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<v Speaker 5>going to figure it out one way or the other.

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<v Speaker 5>So it's like, Okay, what's the best way I could

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<v Speaker 5>explain this?

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<v Speaker 3>How did you explain that?

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<v Speaker 5>Oh?

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<v Speaker 3>Lord, I believe it was else. Please, I know, because

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<v Speaker 3>we have a three and a half and a five

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<v Speaker 3>month old or six month old. You guys have a while,

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<v Speaker 3>so like, I need some bullet points.

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<v Speaker 5>I I said, I believe it was you know, it's

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<v Speaker 5>when someone wants to kiss someone's private air. Oh my god,

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<v Speaker 5>I'm so uncomforabed. At the same time, exactly, I tried

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<v Speaker 5>to make it as clinical as possible. Face, why want

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<v Speaker 5>to do actually exactly what she said?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, when would you say?

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<v Speaker 5>I said, you got me? People are so weird.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow, I can't watch you squirm and you have to tell.

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<v Speaker 3>You confrontation like that stuff just really gets me. Okay,

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<v Speaker 3>So yeah, I just I mean, that would just be

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<v Speaker 3>really hard. I feel like I would be the worst

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<v Speaker 3>because when we were thinking about divorcing. When about divorce,

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<v Speaker 3>but I was I had my number one thing, and

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<v Speaker 3>this is what my girlfriend, especially Catherine, I said this

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<v Speaker 3>to her a million times. I was like, I don't

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<v Speaker 3>want another woman raising my child. And now, but that's

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<v Speaker 3>the thing I and it's nothing against the other woman,

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<v Speaker 3>because that's also great for the child to have two

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<v Speaker 3>strong women. But I just looked at it from such

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<v Speaker 3>a like territorial like she's mine. But like at the

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<v Speaker 3>end of the day, I'm like, what a blessing that

0:20:07.320 --> 0:20:09.320
<v Speaker 3>Bella is to be able to have two strong women

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<v Speaker 3>in her life.

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<v Speaker 5>And I think that guide natural thought, and I think

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<v Speaker 5>that's why it is probably a lot tougher in the beginning,

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<v Speaker 5>in the beginning until you start to it starts to

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<v Speaker 5>become your normal. But of course that's that's everyone's natural instinct.

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<v Speaker 5>And I think, you know, coming into that position and

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<v Speaker 5>knowing that and kind of you know, and also I'm

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<v Speaker 5>sure it's difficult for it's you know, it's just something

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<v Speaker 5>that you slowly grow and adapt and then hopefully and

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<v Speaker 5>luckily that's where we are now, where everything is we

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<v Speaker 5>try and all work together, and you know, it's it's

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<v Speaker 5>nice to have the extra hands and the extra help

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<v Speaker 5>and somebody. Now it's kind of a bonus where it's like,

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<v Speaker 5>you know, you just have more people involved, and more

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<v Speaker 5>people that love her, and more people that are trying

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<v Speaker 5>to make sure she grows up to be a wonderful

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<v Speaker 5>human being. So it actually is a positive. But of course,

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<v Speaker 5>in the beginning, I'm sure many people don't feel that way,

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<v Speaker 5>and that is totally understandable. Chrishelle, she just.

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<v Speaker 3>Cause it, Yeah, okay, because that would be like something

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<v Speaker 3>I'd like, you cannot call something.

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<v Speaker 1>I can see that at that age, at nine years old,

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<v Speaker 1>I wouldn't assume that they that she would call you

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<v Speaker 1>mom or ever necessarily call you mom. But if it

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<v Speaker 1>was in Jana in that situation, you know, back when

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<v Speaker 1>we talked about divorce.

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<v Speaker 3>A week ago, ya kidding, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>If it's an infant, it's like, how do they not call?

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<v Speaker 3>Because that's person's technically you know, from the ground up,

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<v Speaker 3>don't right, That's.

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<v Speaker 1>What I'm saying. It'd be hard to not call someone

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<v Speaker 1>who's raising you a mom or dad. Yeah, from that.

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<v Speaker 5>Age, joining when I did again she was nine, I

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<v Speaker 5>kind of took the role of like her friend and like,

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<v Speaker 5>so there are where like if there needs to be disciplined,

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<v Speaker 5>that happens a lot of times. I'll just you know,

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<v Speaker 5>debrief her dad when he gets home and kind of

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<v Speaker 5>like talk to him because I just feel like, I

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<v Speaker 5>don't know. It's I'm probably not. I don't know. Probably

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<v Speaker 5>a lot of other people did better than me. I

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<v Speaker 5>tiptoe around things because I just don't want to be

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<v Speaker 5>in a position where I am stepping on toes or whatever.

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<v Speaker 5>So maybe I veer too far on the other side

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<v Speaker 5>of that, but I think it's better safe than you know,

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<v Speaker 5>wishing you hadn't done or said something I don't know.

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<v Speaker 3>So before we talk about your Netflix series, I heard

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<v Speaker 3>you have a really cute story about your name.

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<v Speaker 5>Oh o god, Well, I'll let you decide it's cute

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<v Speaker 5>or ridiculous. But in a nutshell, So, my mother went

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<v Speaker 5>into labor when she was getting her car worked on.

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<v Speaker 5>Remember when the shell station saw it were also a

0:22:30.320 --> 0:22:33.840
<v Speaker 5>mechanic shop. Yes, okay, So she was getting her car

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<v Speaker 5>worked on, and all of a sudden she goes into

0:22:35.960 --> 0:22:38.560
<v Speaker 5>labor and the guy there helping her, the mechanic He

0:22:38.640 --> 0:22:40.600
<v Speaker 5>was holding her hand and calming her down and called

0:22:40.600 --> 0:22:44.280
<v Speaker 5>the ambulance. So I was not born in a shell station.

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<v Speaker 5>I just have to clarify. That's kind of what I

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<v Speaker 5>ended up seeing on the internet that did not happen,

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<v Speaker 5>but she wanted to name me after him because he

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<v Speaker 5>was so lovely and his name was Chris.

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<v Speaker 3>Stop it Chris.

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<v Speaker 5>Chris amazing, And a lot of people are like, well,

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<v Speaker 5>there's Christina. There's a lot of other Chris names. But

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<v Speaker 5>if you know any of my other sisters, they have

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<v Speaker 5>very unique names. I have a Shonda, Tabitha, Carissa, Sabrina.

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<v Speaker 5>So Christina would not have worked in our family, so

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<v Speaker 5>she went with Krishell.

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<v Speaker 1>That's fantastic.

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<v Speaker 3>I love think it's a great story. So you actually

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<v Speaker 3>watched the docu series? No, I haven't yet, but put

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<v Speaker 3>on your queue.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I put on my on my list to watch. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>because I love like Million Dollar Listing La and New York.

0:23:29.760 --> 0:23:31.440
<v Speaker 1>I love that kind of stuff, and so I haven't

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<v Speaker 1>watched it yet, but I'm excited to.

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<v Speaker 5>It's got some great property.

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<v Speaker 1>To tell us a little bit about it, so.

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<v Speaker 5>I feel like it will appeal to what they called again.

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<v Speaker 5>It's called Selling Sunsets, Selling Sunset and it's a very

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<v Speaker 5>binge worthy show on Netflix, and it basically is Million

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<v Speaker 5>Dollar Listing meets Laguna Beach or The Hills. I don't

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<v Speaker 5>know if you've seen either of those.

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<v Speaker 3>Are the drama. So are there other than beautiful real

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<v Speaker 3>estate agents?

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<v Speaker 5>Yes, they're gorgeous, and unfortunately there is some drama. So

0:24:00.080 --> 0:24:02.320
<v Speaker 5>they were such a tight knit group working together for

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<v Speaker 5>a really long time, and I joined as a newbie.

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<v Speaker 5>You're hated, right, I got a little hazing. I'm not

0:24:08.440 --> 0:24:13.359
<v Speaker 5>gonna lie. Yeah, So you kind of watch me go

0:24:13.440 --> 0:24:15.359
<v Speaker 5>through the process of kind of falling on my face

0:24:15.400 --> 0:24:17.680
<v Speaker 5>but then kind of figuring it out and learning as

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<v Speaker 5>I go. And you also get to see these amazing properties.

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<v Speaker 5>It's kind of a bird's eye view into this luxury

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<v Speaker 5>market that not everybody would get to see but on

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<v Speaker 5>these shows, you know. So, I think that's why they're

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<v Speaker 5>so popular, because people really want to see that, because

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<v Speaker 5>who's going to go spend forty million dollars on the house?

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<v Speaker 5>Very very very few people. However, we all want to

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<v Speaker 5>see what it looks like, like.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, we zillow it all the time to be

0:24:42.920 --> 0:24:44.440
<v Speaker 3>there's a nice skating rink in there.

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<v Speaker 5>I always think I'm like, the tax is alone on

0:24:47.320 --> 0:24:48.080
<v Speaker 5>a house like that.

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<v Speaker 1>I always think, I'm like, what do these people do?

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<v Speaker 5>Exactly what you have to be like assaultant?

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<v Speaker 3>So those are the houses that you're selling are forty

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<v Speaker 3>million dollar houses?

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<v Speaker 5>Well, okay, the cump because I was like saying, girl,

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<v Speaker 5>if anyone's listening and wants to buy, when I there

0:25:02.880 --> 0:25:04.959
<v Speaker 5>is one on the market, I'm happy to show it

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<v Speaker 5>to you. Qualified virus license, I do all yeah, And

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<v Speaker 5>so I live in the valley, and I feel like

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<v Speaker 5>I tend to work a little more in the valley,

0:25:15.480 --> 0:25:17.760
<v Speaker 5>but I also you know, if you have your license,

0:25:17.800 --> 0:25:19.840
<v Speaker 5>you can work wherever. It's just that that is the

0:25:19.880 --> 0:25:21.919
<v Speaker 5>area I'm a little more passionate about. And I know

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<v Speaker 5>all about the school districts and where you can get

0:25:25.200 --> 0:25:26.960
<v Speaker 5>the best cup of this and the best bowl of that.

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<v Speaker 5>So I tend to have more clients in the in

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<v Speaker 5>the valley, but mine are The highest thing I've sold

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<v Speaker 5>so far is five million, which I'm amazing.

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<v Speaker 3>That's fantastic.

0:25:36.240 --> 0:25:38.760
<v Speaker 5>But at my company, yeah, it goes all the way

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<v Speaker 5>up to like fifty million, so it's great.

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<v Speaker 3>So I'm selling Sunset is just in a part of

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<v Speaker 3>it at all? Or is he like I don't want

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<v Speaker 3>to be part? Like what like how much do they

0:25:47.320 --> 0:25:48.560
<v Speaker 3>show your outside lives?

0:25:48.760 --> 0:25:52.040
<v Speaker 5>So some of the girls do show their outside lives,

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<v Speaker 5>But at first it was a conflict because you know,

0:25:55.200 --> 0:25:57.520
<v Speaker 5>he's under contract with Fox, and so we were trying

0:25:57.520 --> 0:25:59.680
<v Speaker 5>to work that out, and then it kind of became

0:25:59.720 --> 0:26:03.080
<v Speaker 5>once the show started filming, there was drama with I

0:26:03.080 --> 0:26:05.080
<v Speaker 5>didn't I thought I was doing a real estate show

0:26:05.080 --> 0:26:06.360
<v Speaker 5>in the beginning. I didn't know that.

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<v Speaker 3>This was gonna have drama.

0:26:09.000 --> 0:26:11.560
<v Speaker 5>So by the time we started fleshing out what his

0:26:11.640 --> 0:26:15.040
<v Speaker 5>availability would be if he you know, got it cleared,

0:26:15.480 --> 0:26:17.960
<v Speaker 5>I realized she knew what Maybe it's best that we

0:26:18.040 --> 0:26:21.199
<v Speaker 5>keep these two things separate because I really like my

0:26:21.200 --> 0:26:24.280
<v Speaker 5>personal life. I'm so protective over it, and you know,

0:26:24.440 --> 0:26:26.480
<v Speaker 5>I mean marriage is hard enough on its own. I

0:26:26.520 --> 0:26:30.800
<v Speaker 5>don't need an added force adding any kind of you know,

0:26:30.960 --> 0:26:34.280
<v Speaker 5>outward drama at all. So I feel like it that's

0:26:34.359 --> 0:26:36.280
<v Speaker 5>kind of what happened. So he, you know, there's like

0:26:36.280 --> 0:26:38.520
<v Speaker 5>an intro and intros. You know who I'm married to.

0:26:38.640 --> 0:26:41.800
<v Speaker 5>It's not a secret at all. And I talk about him, yeah,

0:26:41.840 --> 0:26:44.159
<v Speaker 5>you know, in my interviews and stuff. But he's not

0:26:44.440 --> 0:26:46.119
<v Speaker 5>featured on the show.

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<v Speaker 3>So when did you stop acting or are you still acting?

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<v Speaker 5>I'm still recurring on Days of Our Lives right now,

0:26:52.440 --> 0:26:55.400
<v Speaker 5>and and I actually have a movie coming out on

0:26:55.600 --> 0:27:01.879
<v Speaker 5>Netflix June twenty fifth called staged Killer. Okay, so you

0:27:01.920 --> 0:27:04.840
<v Speaker 5>know what, it just kind of comes and goes, and is.

0:27:04.840 --> 0:27:06.639
<v Speaker 3>There one that you're Are you more passionate in the

0:27:06.680 --> 0:27:10.359
<v Speaker 3>real estate or are you like, where's your where's your focus?

0:27:10.760 --> 0:27:13.600
<v Speaker 5>So, I mean, I always grew up wanting to be

0:27:13.640 --> 0:27:16.080
<v Speaker 5>an actress, so I'm more passionate doing acting. But what

0:27:16.160 --> 0:27:18.840
<v Speaker 5>happens is you can't really pick and choose when you work,

0:27:19.359 --> 0:27:22.040
<v Speaker 5>and so I wanted something else. So I'm not going

0:27:22.080 --> 0:27:24.560
<v Speaker 5>to lie and say I'm as passionate about real estate.

0:27:24.640 --> 0:27:27.119
<v Speaker 5>But I've come to really love it. It's kind of

0:27:27.119 --> 0:27:28.760
<v Speaker 5>one of those things that like grew on me and

0:27:28.800 --> 0:27:31.520
<v Speaker 5>now I really enjoy it. At first, it was like,

0:27:31.560 --> 0:27:33.879
<v Speaker 5>you know, you're taking all these tests and it's people

0:27:33.880 --> 0:27:36.760
<v Speaker 5>are wasting your time, and it's kind of a kind

0:27:36.800 --> 0:27:40.159
<v Speaker 5>of a headache. And now as I'm in entrenched in

0:27:40.200 --> 0:27:42.640
<v Speaker 5>the process, and now I really have people that I've

0:27:42.680 --> 0:27:45.879
<v Speaker 5>worked with that I've loved, and these amazing moments that

0:27:45.920 --> 0:27:47.960
<v Speaker 5>you get to hand somebody their first keys to their

0:27:47.960 --> 0:27:50.840
<v Speaker 5>first home. It's pretty important and special. So now I

0:27:50.880 --> 0:27:51.199
<v Speaker 5>love it.

0:27:51.280 --> 0:27:55.159
<v Speaker 3>I think. I mean, I definitely can relate because you know,

0:27:55.440 --> 0:27:58.399
<v Speaker 3>obviously my main goal is I want to be on

0:27:58.480 --> 0:28:00.360
<v Speaker 3>a you know, a TV show, get back on a show,

0:28:00.359 --> 0:28:01.920
<v Speaker 3>because I was on a show for a couple of

0:28:02.000 --> 0:28:06.199
<v Speaker 3>years and that's the steady income that I want. But unfortunately,

0:28:06.240 --> 0:28:08.919
<v Speaker 3>like you said, we can't pick and choose and you

0:28:08.960 --> 0:28:11.919
<v Speaker 3>have to we have to support our family. And it's

0:28:12.240 --> 0:28:14.720
<v Speaker 3>there's certain things that I'm doing that make the money,

0:28:14.720 --> 0:28:17.280
<v Speaker 3>but that's not one hundred percent what I'm actually passionate

0:28:17.280 --> 0:28:20.120
<v Speaker 3>in doing, right, But you find the passion in it exactly.

0:28:20.320 --> 0:28:22.800
<v Speaker 3>So that's where it's like you found your passion with

0:28:22.840 --> 0:28:25.280
<v Speaker 3>the real estate, and both things can be okay. That's

0:28:25.320 --> 0:28:27.120
<v Speaker 3>why the things I'm doing the side, I'm like, yes,

0:28:27.160 --> 0:28:29.959
<v Speaker 3>do I love love doing this? No, But I'm loving

0:28:30.400 --> 0:28:32.440
<v Speaker 3>doing it because I'm finding I have to find the

0:28:32.440 --> 0:28:34.240
<v Speaker 3>passion in it because I want to be able to

0:28:34.320 --> 0:28:35.200
<v Speaker 3>enjoy everything.

0:28:34.880 --> 0:28:37.000
<v Speaker 5>Then and it empowers you when you can, you know,

0:28:37.119 --> 0:28:39.120
<v Speaker 5>be in charge of when you work and when you don't.

0:28:39.640 --> 0:28:42.239
<v Speaker 5>As an actor, you're kind of a slave too, and

0:28:42.280 --> 0:28:44.600
<v Speaker 5>it kind of can take a hit to your self

0:28:44.640 --> 0:28:47.200
<v Speaker 5>confidence if you keep not booking things, you know, and

0:28:47.240 --> 0:28:48.959
<v Speaker 5>so I just feel like it empowers you when you

0:28:48.960 --> 0:28:51.080
<v Speaker 5>have a whole other thing and then you sometimes end

0:28:51.160 --> 0:28:52.920
<v Speaker 5>up booking more because you're like, I don't need this job.

0:28:52.960 --> 0:28:54.720
<v Speaker 5>It'd be great if I got it, but I don't

0:28:54.720 --> 0:28:56.120
<v Speaker 5>need to pay my light bill tomorrow.

0:28:56.640 --> 0:28:59.360
<v Speaker 1>Right with the busy schedules, I'm sure you and Justin

0:28:59.440 --> 0:29:01.720
<v Speaker 1>have separate. What do you guys do to kind of

0:29:01.720 --> 0:29:04.560
<v Speaker 1>come back together and reconnect with you know, to drown

0:29:04.600 --> 0:29:05.280
<v Speaker 1>out all the noise?

0:29:05.800 --> 0:29:09.600
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, Actually he was just in Canada shooting a movie

0:29:09.600 --> 0:29:11.160
<v Speaker 5>for a month, so that was a little tough. I

0:29:11.200 --> 0:29:14.320
<v Speaker 5>went up there or for a week, and then when

0:29:14.360 --> 0:29:16.440
<v Speaker 5>he got back, it was one of those things where

0:29:16.640 --> 0:29:20.080
<v Speaker 5>I feel like you just kind of have to seclude

0:29:20.080 --> 0:29:22.720
<v Speaker 5>yourself a little bit, and even if you maybe go

0:29:22.760 --> 0:29:25.880
<v Speaker 5>out or maybe don't, but just kind of like to reconnect.

0:29:26.320 --> 0:29:28.280
<v Speaker 5>So it sounds kind of cheesy, you're kind of laying

0:29:28.320 --> 0:29:31.320
<v Speaker 5>but when you're away that long, you don't want it

0:29:31.360 --> 0:29:34.080
<v Speaker 5>to feel normal, you know. So I wanted as soon

0:29:34.080 --> 0:29:36.840
<v Speaker 5>as we got back together to get back to kind

0:29:36.840 --> 0:29:39.320
<v Speaker 5>of the way that it felt, where it's like it's

0:29:39.320 --> 0:29:42.160
<v Speaker 5>not normal to sleep outside of the same bed for

0:29:42.160 --> 0:29:45.320
<v Speaker 5>that long. So let's like, you know, do we have

0:29:45.400 --> 0:29:47.160
<v Speaker 5>to take that meeting in the morning. Let's push it back, like,

0:29:47.240 --> 0:29:49.320
<v Speaker 5>let's stay in but I don't know, little things like

0:29:49.320 --> 0:29:51.360
<v Speaker 5>that where I feel like we just kind of reconnect, like.

0:29:51.360 --> 0:29:53.560
<v Speaker 1>Making intentional time. That's a big thing Jana and I

0:29:53.600 --> 0:29:55.960
<v Speaker 1>talk about, is like making intentional time for each other,

0:29:56.040 --> 0:29:58.760
<v Speaker 1>not coming back together and going about your regular day routine.

0:29:58.800 --> 0:30:01.720
<v Speaker 1>It's like, let's intend to do this together and reconnect.

0:30:01.760 --> 0:30:07.200
<v Speaker 3>So, yeah, obviously, you know you were so happy for

0:30:07.360 --> 0:30:10.640
<v Speaker 3>your husband. Yes, has there ever been that jealousy underneath

0:30:11.240 --> 0:30:12.760
<v Speaker 3>or that frustration.

0:30:13.760 --> 0:30:16.640
<v Speaker 5>No, I have to say, it's not like we ever

0:30:16.680 --> 0:30:20.200
<v Speaker 5>are going out for the same parts, you know. But

0:30:20.320 --> 0:30:22.960
<v Speaker 5>I'm so genuinely happy for him because when I met him,

0:30:22.960 --> 0:30:26.880
<v Speaker 5>he was on revenge and to see him then, you know,

0:30:27.080 --> 0:30:30.800
<v Speaker 5>kind of assent to this a list actor. And of

0:30:30.840 --> 0:30:32.160
<v Speaker 5>course he'd always worked before.

0:30:32.800 --> 0:30:34.720
<v Speaker 3>I always felt bad for him because he was always

0:30:34.800 --> 0:30:36.840
<v Speaker 3>the lead of like a pilot, But then the pilot

0:30:36.880 --> 0:30:38.720
<v Speaker 3>and get picked up ord only ran once. I'm like, God,

0:30:38.760 --> 0:30:40.320
<v Speaker 3>I'm like, he's such a good actor. He's had such

0:30:40.320 --> 0:30:42.080
<v Speaker 3>a good look, and so it never really added up

0:30:42.080 --> 0:30:43.680
<v Speaker 3>to me. So it was it was really cool from

0:30:43.760 --> 0:30:46.200
<v Speaker 3>an outsider too to see him go.

0:30:46.520 --> 0:30:48.600
<v Speaker 5>I think, and again I can only speak for myself,

0:30:48.600 --> 0:30:50.920
<v Speaker 5>but I think if you have a I think healthy

0:30:50.920 --> 0:30:52.920
<v Speaker 5>competition in a playful way is a good thing, But

0:30:52.960 --> 0:30:56.760
<v Speaker 5>if you're actually competitive with your partner, I think that's detrimental.

0:30:57.480 --> 0:31:00.240
<v Speaker 5>I support him and I want him to rule the world.

0:31:00.320 --> 0:31:01.920
<v Speaker 5>If he wants to rule the world. There are times

0:31:01.920 --> 0:31:04.760
<v Speaker 5>where he has offers. It's like, if you want to

0:31:04.800 --> 0:31:07.160
<v Speaker 5>do that, I will. I will get behind you one

0:31:07.160 --> 0:31:08.800
<v Speaker 5>thousand percent. But if you're not going to be happy

0:31:08.840 --> 0:31:11.600
<v Speaker 5>doing that, who cares. You don't need any more of whatever.

0:31:11.760 --> 0:31:13.680
<v Speaker 5>Do it if you want to. And I feel like

0:31:13.720 --> 0:31:16.000
<v Speaker 5>he does the same for me, so you know, I

0:31:16.480 --> 0:31:18.640
<v Speaker 5>have to say it's definitely just one of those things

0:31:18.640 --> 0:31:21.360
<v Speaker 5>where we're not in competition with each other. The only

0:31:21.400 --> 0:31:23.280
<v Speaker 5>times we compete against each other is like when it's

0:31:23.280 --> 0:31:25.000
<v Speaker 5>for fun. If what we'll get, like if you get

0:31:25.040 --> 0:31:26.080
<v Speaker 5>us in a game night, then.

0:31:27.000 --> 0:31:27.680
<v Speaker 3>We'll see you there.

0:31:27.840 --> 0:31:28.600
<v Speaker 1>We're the same way.

0:31:28.680 --> 0:31:30.440
<v Speaker 3>Can we get into the biggest arguments of game nights

0:31:30.440 --> 0:31:31.600
<v Speaker 3>because we get so into it?

0:31:31.720 --> 0:31:34.200
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we're probably too into it because then we leave

0:31:34.240 --> 0:31:36.239
<v Speaker 1>getting actually mad at each other and take it too

0:31:36.240 --> 0:31:38.800
<v Speaker 1>person's only New Year's last year, Yeah, that was no good.

0:31:39.040 --> 0:31:41.600
<v Speaker 1>So I've always been curious about that when people are

0:31:41.640 --> 0:31:43.760
<v Speaker 1>in the same kind of profession like you and Justin

0:31:43.880 --> 0:31:47.000
<v Speaker 1>and whether Jan and past relationships with people and music

0:31:47.440 --> 0:31:51.520
<v Speaker 1>and acting, how that relationship is with being competitive. Do

0:31:51.520 --> 0:31:53.760
<v Speaker 1>you think there's I'm asking both of you guys, do

0:31:53.760 --> 0:31:55.680
<v Speaker 1>you think there's couples out there that are like that? Like,

0:31:55.760 --> 0:31:58.720
<v Speaker 1>just for an example, Ryan Gossen and even Mendez, I

0:31:58.720 --> 0:32:01.040
<v Speaker 1>feel like ever since they've been together, like even Mendoz

0:32:01.040 --> 0:32:03.240
<v Speaker 1>hasn't really done anything. Do you think that's a testament

0:32:03.280 --> 0:32:06.480
<v Speaker 1>to them agree like, hey, you take a back seat,

0:32:06.560 --> 0:32:08.800
<v Speaker 1>let me do my thing, or I'm just curious from

0:32:08.840 --> 0:32:11.440
<v Speaker 1>you all. Y'all are professionals in this world and around

0:32:11.480 --> 0:32:13.400
<v Speaker 1>those kind of people. Do you think that takes place?

0:32:13.880 --> 0:32:15.960
<v Speaker 3>I mean, I'm sure it does. I know what Jen

0:32:16.040 --> 0:32:18.040
<v Speaker 3>and Ben did was like she would take a role,

0:32:18.080 --> 0:32:19.560
<v Speaker 3>he would take a role. It's kind of what I've heard,

0:32:19.600 --> 0:32:21.160
<v Speaker 3>like everyone kind of goes. I mean, even like our

0:32:21.160 --> 0:32:24.000
<v Speaker 3>friends that we just met, Like right, someone's having a show.

0:32:24.040 --> 0:32:25.480
<v Speaker 3>It's like, all right, then now you need to take

0:32:25.520 --> 0:32:27.320
<v Speaker 3>the next whatever time off.

0:32:27.600 --> 0:32:27.800
<v Speaker 1>Right.

0:32:28.200 --> 0:32:30.520
<v Speaker 3>But that's what I will say. I was when I

0:32:30.600 --> 0:32:33.600
<v Speaker 3>was in the relationship. I was super jealous, but it

0:32:33.600 --> 0:32:37.040
<v Speaker 3>was only because from my insecurities, Whereas I had insecurities

0:32:37.080 --> 0:32:38.520
<v Speaker 3>because I'm like, well, I want to be doing that,

0:32:38.680 --> 0:32:40.480
<v Speaker 3>I want to be up on that state. I like,

0:32:40.520 --> 0:32:42.640
<v Speaker 3>why why don't I have that crowd like? And then

0:32:42.720 --> 0:32:44.920
<v Speaker 3>so then I but that was all my insecurities feeding

0:32:44.960 --> 0:32:47.840
<v Speaker 3>into which ended up ruining the relationship because I was

0:32:47.840 --> 0:32:50.560
<v Speaker 3>so insecure and think and I think.

0:32:50.360 --> 0:32:53.000
<v Speaker 5>That's that's part of it, where it's like I can

0:32:53.040 --> 0:32:55.680
<v Speaker 5>see that. But luckily because when I was in a

0:32:55.720 --> 0:32:57.920
<v Speaker 5>bad place and I wasn't working, and that's actually when

0:32:57.920 --> 0:32:59.640
<v Speaker 5>I decided to get my real estate license because I

0:32:59.640 --> 0:33:01.600
<v Speaker 5>had to. You know, I'm not one of those people

0:33:01.600 --> 0:33:03.960
<v Speaker 5>that just wants somebody to pay for me. Like I

0:33:04.600 --> 0:33:07.000
<v Speaker 5>take a lot of pride in always having been, you know,

0:33:07.160 --> 0:33:10.120
<v Speaker 5>a self made person and paying and supporting myself and

0:33:10.240 --> 0:33:11.200
<v Speaker 5>my family because.

0:33:10.960 --> 0:33:12.760
<v Speaker 3>You came from a homeless background, I did.

0:33:13.200 --> 0:33:18.200
<v Speaker 5>So well, yeah, what happened well And just basically just

0:33:18.240 --> 0:33:22.239
<v Speaker 5>to say, in that scenario, instead of being jealous, I

0:33:22.280 --> 0:33:24.880
<v Speaker 5>was so thankful that he was able to be there

0:33:24.920 --> 0:33:26.680
<v Speaker 5>for me when I was in a place where I

0:33:26.680 --> 0:33:30.320
<v Speaker 5>had never been able to count on. You know, my family,

0:33:30.800 --> 0:33:33.560
<v Speaker 5>they come from nothing, so I couldn't ever have any

0:33:33.560 --> 0:33:36.000
<v Speaker 5>help financially from them, So to have him be able

0:33:36.040 --> 0:33:38.400
<v Speaker 5>to financially like be there for me while I went

0:33:38.400 --> 0:33:41.000
<v Speaker 5>and got my license. So it was the opposite of that.

0:33:41.080 --> 0:33:43.560
<v Speaker 5>I was just so grateful that he did that as

0:33:43.560 --> 0:33:46.959
<v Speaker 5>opposed to the competition part of it. And then as

0:33:47.000 --> 0:33:49.680
<v Speaker 5>far as my family goes, they you know, we're from

0:33:50.160 --> 0:33:53.600
<v Speaker 5>we were homeless several stints in our life, and you know,

0:33:53.640 --> 0:33:56.600
<v Speaker 5>it's just kind of something that we I lied about

0:33:56.600 --> 0:33:58.960
<v Speaker 5>for so long because you know, you're embarrassed, and I

0:33:59.000 --> 0:34:00.960
<v Speaker 5>was a kid in school and I missed a grade.

0:34:02.280 --> 0:34:05.960
<v Speaker 5>And so anyway, now to be able to have a

0:34:05.960 --> 0:34:08.600
<v Speaker 5>platform and it's covered on the show in a beautiful way,

0:34:08.840 --> 0:34:12.160
<v Speaker 5>I think, and now I'm able to bring a spotlight

0:34:12.200 --> 0:34:14.359
<v Speaker 5>to it and talk about it and help others. I

0:34:14.440 --> 0:34:17.759
<v Speaker 5>have to, you know, I think you have to kind

0:34:17.800 --> 0:34:20.640
<v Speaker 5>of initially had to get over myself and the embarrassment,

0:34:20.680 --> 0:34:23.120
<v Speaker 5>and now I'm not embarrassed anymore. It's something that you know,

0:34:23.160 --> 0:34:24.880
<v Speaker 5>it happens, and it happens to a lot of people.

0:34:24.880 --> 0:34:27.440
<v Speaker 5>And I see these people all the time where it's like,

0:34:27.560 --> 0:34:30.279
<v Speaker 5>you know, I think people have especially living in this

0:34:30.400 --> 0:34:33.760
<v Speaker 5>luxury la type of market that I work in, people

0:34:33.800 --> 0:34:40.200
<v Speaker 5>have a predisposition to have judgment about people that are homeless,

0:34:40.640 --> 0:34:44.239
<v Speaker 5>and you know, I just feel like coming from a

0:34:44.280 --> 0:34:46.879
<v Speaker 5>family that has kind of dealt with I've never said

0:34:46.880 --> 0:34:50.000
<v Speaker 5>this before, but a family that has dealt with not

0:34:50.200 --> 0:34:53.440
<v Speaker 5>just homelessness, but also addiction and different things like that,

0:34:54.920 --> 0:34:57.440
<v Speaker 5>I sometimes tiptoe about what I say because you know,

0:34:57.520 --> 0:34:59.480
<v Speaker 5>it's not just me involved in this story. But there

0:34:59.480 --> 0:35:03.920
<v Speaker 5>were a lot of factors, you know, so we basically

0:35:04.080 --> 0:35:06.799
<v Speaker 5>had to bend for ourselves for a certain sense of

0:35:06.960 --> 0:35:12.560
<v Speaker 5>our childhood. And now I I really appreciate and love

0:35:13.280 --> 0:35:16.239
<v Speaker 5>that they always said it felt like the best they

0:35:16.280 --> 0:35:18.960
<v Speaker 5>could with the means that they had. My parents aren't educated,

0:35:20.120 --> 0:35:22.640
<v Speaker 5>you know. My dad unfortunately just passed, but he you know,

0:35:22.680 --> 0:35:25.279
<v Speaker 5>he couldn't read, and so it was just like, you know,

0:35:25.320 --> 0:35:27.319
<v Speaker 5>there were just so many there's so many people born

0:35:27.360 --> 0:35:31.800
<v Speaker 5>into these poverty type situations and everything is stacked against

0:35:31.880 --> 0:35:33.640
<v Speaker 5>you to get out of it. I mean, you don't

0:35:34.200 --> 0:35:37.520
<v Speaker 5>have so any kind of those programs. I'm so passionate

0:35:37.520 --> 0:35:40.520
<v Speaker 5>about the programs that are helping people that. You know,

0:35:40.640 --> 0:35:43.800
<v Speaker 5>I just feel like sometimes when people really have everything

0:35:43.840 --> 0:35:46.920
<v Speaker 5>at their feet, they're judging people that don't. And it's like,

0:35:47.000 --> 0:35:50.400
<v Speaker 5>you know, if the amount of effort that it takes

0:35:50.440 --> 0:35:53.280
<v Speaker 5>to get from that spot where you have no help

0:35:53.880 --> 0:35:56.480
<v Speaker 5>and to pull yourself out of it. I just I

0:35:56.880 --> 0:35:58.760
<v Speaker 5>want to help all those people that I can, because

0:35:58.760 --> 0:36:03.640
<v Speaker 5>it's you have no idea how much it helps their

0:36:03.719 --> 0:36:06.799
<v Speaker 5>lives to just kind of give them a hand as

0:36:06.800 --> 0:36:11.000
<v Speaker 5>opposed to, you know, just blowing them off and thinking that,

0:36:11.200 --> 0:36:14.560
<v Speaker 5>you know, get it together. I don't know if I

0:36:14.600 --> 0:36:15.200
<v Speaker 5>spoke very.

0:36:15.080 --> 0:36:19.120
<v Speaker 1>No, that was brilliant. I think to your point, it's

0:36:19.560 --> 0:36:22.439
<v Speaker 1>sometimes it's unfortunately out of their control, right, Like it's

0:36:22.440 --> 0:36:25.560
<v Speaker 1>easy to say, hey, get your together. World. There's probably

0:36:25.560 --> 0:36:27.360
<v Speaker 1>fell apart, not because of them, but because of the

0:36:27.440 --> 0:36:30.440
<v Speaker 1>environment that they're brought into. And that's can't blame somebody

0:36:30.480 --> 0:36:32.400
<v Speaker 1>for that, like you're saying. And so kudos to you

0:36:32.440 --> 0:36:34.800
<v Speaker 1>for being as strong as you are to pull yourself

0:36:34.800 --> 0:36:37.560
<v Speaker 1>out of that and to be successful you know everything

0:36:37.600 --> 0:36:38.040
<v Speaker 1>that you're.

0:36:37.920 --> 0:36:42.960
<v Speaker 3>Doing, and everyone go to upwardboundhouse dot org to help

0:36:43.040 --> 0:36:43.479
<v Speaker 3>give back.

0:36:44.000 --> 0:36:45.799
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, it's actually, if I can just say real quick,

0:36:45.800 --> 0:36:48.279
<v Speaker 5>it's a it's what I love about them. They don't

0:36:48.360 --> 0:36:50.040
<v Speaker 5>just give you a place to stay. They for a

0:36:50.040 --> 0:36:53.319
<v Speaker 5>whole year that you're there. They give you classes that

0:36:53.360 --> 0:36:55.920
<v Speaker 5>they give you childcare while you go interview, they give

0:36:55.960 --> 0:36:58.920
<v Speaker 5>you interview clothes, they give you an apartment to stay in,

0:36:58.960 --> 0:37:02.759
<v Speaker 5>and so they're not just here's here's a bed, you know.

0:37:02.880 --> 0:37:05.720
<v Speaker 5>So that's why I those are the kind of places

0:37:05.719 --> 0:37:06.879
<v Speaker 5>that will change someone's life.

0:37:06.960 --> 0:37:09.160
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, they're trying to help and to grow. I think

0:37:09.280 --> 0:37:12.399
<v Speaker 3>there are our only you know how we've because we've

0:37:12.400 --> 0:37:16.960
<v Speaker 3>talked about homeless and honestly not in a respectful way

0:37:17.000 --> 0:37:19.239
<v Speaker 3>at times, but we had someone we tried to do

0:37:19.280 --> 0:37:23.040
<v Speaker 3>this giving back challenge and we gave a bunch of

0:37:23.040 --> 0:37:25.040
<v Speaker 3>food to a homeless person. He's like, oh, no, I

0:37:25.040 --> 0:37:27.160
<v Speaker 3>don't eat that stuff. And for us, we're like, well,

0:37:27.200 --> 0:37:29.440
<v Speaker 3>why wouldn't they? You know. But it's so it's that

0:37:29.520 --> 0:37:32.319
<v Speaker 3>was kind of a tricky situation for us because we're like,

0:37:32.320 --> 0:37:34.520
<v Speaker 3>we're trying to give back and then they're being picky

0:37:34.560 --> 0:37:36.279
<v Speaker 3>about I don't know right, And.

0:37:36.239 --> 0:37:38.160
<v Speaker 5>I've had that happen before. You know, you you go

0:37:38.280 --> 0:37:40.160
<v Speaker 5>to give like what you think is like amazing, and

0:37:40.200 --> 0:37:42.839
<v Speaker 5>then yeah, I've actually done the same thing. I think

0:37:42.880 --> 0:37:45.480
<v Speaker 5>the best thing if you want to give is to

0:37:45.560 --> 0:37:48.440
<v Speaker 5>find these kind of organizations. And there's food on foot,

0:37:48.520 --> 0:37:51.080
<v Speaker 5>there's a word boundhouse, there's my Friend's Place. I work

0:37:51.120 --> 0:37:52.920
<v Speaker 5>with all three of those places that are all that's

0:37:53.200 --> 0:37:56.480
<v Speaker 5>about rehabilitating, right, and.

0:37:56.040 --> 0:37:58.759
<v Speaker 3>Because those people really want they're willing to they want

0:37:58.800 --> 0:38:00.960
<v Speaker 3>to change or not to check, but they want the

0:38:01.040 --> 0:38:02.239
<v Speaker 3>help and they need the help.

0:38:02.480 --> 0:38:04.600
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, and there's ways to work the program where if

0:38:04.640 --> 0:38:09.160
<v Speaker 5>you really use what they provide you. I think some

0:38:09.239 --> 0:38:12.120
<v Speaker 5>of one of them has a ninety five percent success

0:38:12.239 --> 0:38:15.200
<v Speaker 5>rate upper Bound House of once you go into their

0:38:15.200 --> 0:38:18.640
<v Speaker 5>facility for the year that you're there, ninety five percent

0:38:18.719 --> 0:38:21.439
<v Speaker 5>success rate of not being homeless again. Wow, So that's

0:38:21.480 --> 0:38:22.360
<v Speaker 5>really amazing.

0:38:22.440 --> 0:38:25.080
<v Speaker 1>Do they do any of these programs like upper Boundhouse

0:38:25.120 --> 0:38:28.440
<v Speaker 1>or the other ones that you mentioned, Do they focus

0:38:28.440 --> 0:38:32.359
<v Speaker 1>on any kind of addiction tw addiction twelve step concept too?

0:38:32.480 --> 0:38:36.080
<v Speaker 1>Because this might be a stereotype or whatever, but from

0:38:36.160 --> 0:38:38.600
<v Speaker 1>your experience and working with these programs, are there a

0:38:38.600 --> 0:38:40.560
<v Speaker 1>lot of people that are addicts that may not know

0:38:40.640 --> 0:38:42.719
<v Speaker 1>that come into this and want to get help, But

0:38:42.760 --> 0:38:45.920
<v Speaker 1>then you know, the professionals they are realizing they have

0:38:45.960 --> 0:38:48.600
<v Speaker 1>addictive tendencies or whatever is their correlation there.

0:38:48.640 --> 0:38:51.080
<v Speaker 5>That's a great question. My Friend's Place and Food on

0:38:51.120 --> 0:38:55.560
<v Speaker 5>Foot both accept people in that are whatever however you

0:38:55.600 --> 0:38:58.000
<v Speaker 5>come in. Is how you come in and they will

0:38:58.000 --> 0:39:00.000
<v Speaker 5>help you no matter what, and they will help you

0:39:00.239 --> 0:39:02.920
<v Speaker 5>really truly. These people are so passionate. They're volunteers and

0:39:02.960 --> 0:39:05.839
<v Speaker 5>they're so amazing. They deserve all the praise because they're

0:39:05.880 --> 0:39:09.920
<v Speaker 5>in there every single day volunteering and they are providing

0:39:09.960 --> 0:39:12.839
<v Speaker 5>them with resources to really change their life if they

0:39:12.880 --> 0:39:16.040
<v Speaker 5>want it. Upward Bound House is a little different, you know,

0:39:16.080 --> 0:39:18.239
<v Speaker 5>because they house children as well, so I think you

0:39:18.320 --> 0:39:21.239
<v Speaker 5>have to be really careful past drug tests. So I

0:39:21.320 --> 0:39:24.759
<v Speaker 5>work with both kinds, one that does not accept them

0:39:24.800 --> 0:39:27.799
<v Speaker 5>and one that does. But they're both important, you know,

0:39:27.840 --> 0:39:30.120
<v Speaker 5>and obviously it makes sense they're accepting small children, so

0:39:30.160 --> 0:39:32.200
<v Speaker 5>you have to you have to start seeing it.

0:39:32.360 --> 0:39:36.200
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. Wow, Well you're just like inspiring all around. You're

0:39:36.239 --> 0:39:39.080
<v Speaker 3>not only beautiful, but you're smart and you're encouraging and

0:39:39.400 --> 0:39:41.680
<v Speaker 3>we just can't thank you enough for coming on the show.

0:39:42.320 --> 0:39:45.480
<v Speaker 3>Watch Selling Sunset, it's a docu series for Netflix, and

0:39:45.520 --> 0:39:48.640
<v Speaker 3>then please give you know, get some more information, especially

0:39:48.760 --> 0:39:52.319
<v Speaker 3>go visit Upward Bound House dot org. Forshall. Thank you

0:39:52.360 --> 0:39:53.080
<v Speaker 3>seriously so.

0:39:53.080 --> 0:39:54.640
<v Speaker 1>Much, Thank you so much for going on.

0:39:54.760 --> 0:39:55.279
<v Speaker 5>Thank you.

0:39:59.160 --> 0:40:03.520
<v Speaker 3>All right, babe, So you you went to college, you have, yes,

0:40:03.560 --> 0:40:06.200
<v Speaker 3>you did, and you have student loans, don't you?

0:40:06.360 --> 0:40:06.759
<v Speaker 5>Or you did?

0:40:06.920 --> 0:40:09.640
<v Speaker 3>I did at one point, so you definitely needed so

0:40:09.719 --> 0:40:11.120
<v Speaker 3>Fi back in the day, because did you know that

0:40:11.160 --> 0:40:13.759
<v Speaker 3>millennials have three times as much student debt as their

0:40:13.800 --> 0:40:16.520
<v Speaker 3>parents And that's honestly, that's not right. But you can

0:40:16.520 --> 0:40:19.600
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<v Speaker 3>Jace go to college.

0:41:00.520 --> 0:41:03.520
<v Speaker 1>More money in your pockets less debt. I love it.

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<v Speaker 1>So Fie awesome. She's so sweet, she's super like very genuine.

0:41:09.239 --> 0:41:12.360
<v Speaker 3>Extremely genuine, and I just I love I love her

0:41:12.480 --> 0:41:14.759
<v Speaker 3>journey make you can tell she's a hustler, yes, and

0:41:14.800 --> 0:41:17.160
<v Speaker 3>I appreciate that. Instead it's just kind of wallowing or

0:41:17.200 --> 0:41:20.719
<v Speaker 3>being like, oh, you know, just the spouse up, like

0:41:20.760 --> 0:41:23.000
<v Speaker 3>she's making a name for herself, and I just she's

0:41:23.000 --> 0:41:25.600
<v Speaker 3>already had the name, but still like she's she's not stopping.

0:41:25.640 --> 0:41:26.600
<v Speaker 3>And I really appreciate that.

0:41:26.680 --> 0:41:27.000
<v Speaker 5>Driving.

0:41:27.160 --> 0:41:30.400
<v Speaker 1>I think that no matter who she's married to, whether

0:41:30.760 --> 0:41:35.080
<v Speaker 1>it's Justin or nobody, she wouldn't change. Yeah, Like, she

0:41:35.200 --> 0:41:37.120
<v Speaker 1>just has that passion, she has that grind to do

0:41:37.280 --> 0:41:40.239
<v Speaker 1>things that she wants to do and nothing's going to

0:41:40.280 --> 0:41:42.440
<v Speaker 1>change that. Yeah, you can definitely just get you get

0:41:42.440 --> 0:41:44.640
<v Speaker 1>that from her vibe and her personality is awesome.

0:41:44.719 --> 0:41:47.120
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I agree. I just I really like everything about her.

0:41:47.239 --> 0:41:48.960
<v Speaker 3>So we should do double date.

0:41:49.520 --> 0:41:49.800
<v Speaker 1>Sure?

0:41:49.880 --> 0:41:52.080
<v Speaker 3>Anyway, Hey, Mark, do you gt any emails for us?

0:41:52.120 --> 0:41:52.239
<v Speaker 5>Well?

0:41:52.280 --> 0:41:54.440
<v Speaker 2>This one is particularly pertinent death thought. This is from

0:41:54.480 --> 0:41:56.200
<v Speaker 2>Holly's thin very what pertinent?

0:41:57.160 --> 0:41:57.520
<v Speaker 5>I don't know?

0:41:57.560 --> 0:41:58.640
<v Speaker 3>That word is too big for me.

0:41:59.440 --> 0:42:01.239
<v Speaker 2>I've been with my husband for ten years now. We

0:42:01.280 --> 0:42:04.040
<v Speaker 2>started struggling with our marriage and divorce was a daily topic.

0:42:04.520 --> 0:42:06.399
<v Speaker 2>I started a new job and met a man there.

0:42:06.560 --> 0:42:08.680
<v Speaker 2>As time went on, we grew closer and closer, to

0:42:08.719 --> 0:42:10.080
<v Speaker 2>the point that I told him I loved him and

0:42:10.080 --> 0:42:12.040
<v Speaker 2>we could start life together. I just needed to leave

0:42:12.080 --> 0:42:14.080
<v Speaker 2>my husband, but I didn't.

0:42:13.800 --> 0:42:14.400
<v Speaker 4>Have sex with him.

0:42:14.440 --> 0:42:16.279
<v Speaker 2>I didn't kiss this man because my heart I knew

0:42:16.320 --> 0:42:18.879
<v Speaker 2>it was wrong. One night, my husband recorded me having

0:42:18.920 --> 0:42:21.319
<v Speaker 2>a conversation with this other man. I confessed and told

0:42:21.400 --> 0:42:23.960
<v Speaker 2>him everything. I did contact the other guy one last

0:42:23.960 --> 0:42:26.360
<v Speaker 2>time to tell him it was over. Since then, my

0:42:26.440 --> 0:42:28.279
<v Speaker 2>husband has been by my side, but I am still

0:42:28.320 --> 0:42:30.479
<v Speaker 2>living in the mess that I made. He still holds

0:42:30.520 --> 0:42:32.440
<v Speaker 2>it over my head, has no faith or trust in me,

0:42:32.480 --> 0:42:34.680
<v Speaker 2>and it's been going on four years and a child later.

0:42:35.239 --> 0:42:37.359
<v Speaker 2>I walk on eggshells because I want to show him

0:42:37.360 --> 0:42:39.160
<v Speaker 2>that I love him, and yes, I want this marriage,

0:42:39.200 --> 0:42:42.000
<v Speaker 2>but it doesn't seem enough. So what could I possibly

0:42:42.040 --> 0:42:44.200
<v Speaker 2>do more than I've already tried to get him to

0:42:44.200 --> 0:42:47.000
<v Speaker 2>forgive and forget this kind of thing. I want him

0:42:47.040 --> 0:42:48.520
<v Speaker 2>to trust me and love me the way he did

0:42:48.560 --> 0:42:49.200
<v Speaker 2>ten years ago.

0:42:50.920 --> 0:42:53.880
<v Speaker 3>It's a that's hard. I mean, it's a great email.

0:42:55.080 --> 0:42:58.880
<v Speaker 3>Then thank you for sharing all that. Holly, that's a

0:42:58.920 --> 0:43:04.080
<v Speaker 3>really hard one because you can't put a time limit

0:43:04.280 --> 0:43:09.680
<v Speaker 3>on someone's How would I say that someone's process of grieving?

0:43:10.640 --> 0:43:15.160
<v Speaker 3>So I know for us, you know hereis there are

0:43:15.160 --> 0:43:21.200
<v Speaker 3>still times that's just so hard because you don't want

0:43:21.200 --> 0:43:22.680
<v Speaker 3>to put you don't want to put a time because

0:43:22.680 --> 0:43:24.600
<v Speaker 3>in ten years, like just when we talk to Jason

0:43:24.719 --> 0:43:27.560
<v Speaker 3>and Shelley about it, this will They're like, we're still

0:43:27.600 --> 0:43:30.480
<v Speaker 3>talking about it and it's fifteen minutes, fifteen, fifteen years.

0:43:30.719 --> 0:43:32.600
<v Speaker 1>Yes, this will be a part of their life no

0:43:32.640 --> 0:43:33.040
<v Speaker 1>matter what.

0:43:33.719 --> 0:43:37.840
<v Speaker 3>Now do you think it sounds like maybe he's not well, I'm.

0:43:37.680 --> 0:43:40.239
<v Speaker 1>Just gonna I'm curious. Do you think the emotional aspect

0:43:40.400 --> 0:43:44.359
<v Speaker 1>cuts deeper than the physical because she didn't According to her,

0:43:44.400 --> 0:43:46.480
<v Speaker 1>she didn't do anything physical with him, but she told

0:43:46.560 --> 0:43:49.040
<v Speaker 1>him that she loved him and talked about starting our

0:43:49.040 --> 0:43:49.520
<v Speaker 1>life together.

0:43:51.320 --> 0:43:53.279
<v Speaker 3>I think again, it just depends. I would Well, I'm

0:43:53.280 --> 0:43:55.400
<v Speaker 3>asking you if I did that, what would be harder me?

0:43:55.520 --> 0:44:00.000
<v Speaker 3>Just having physical relations or an emotional relation from a guy?

0:43:59.680 --> 0:44:05.080
<v Speaker 1>Say point, I mean, obviously neither one of them are great.

0:44:05.800 --> 0:44:11.800
<v Speaker 1>But I think the physical thing, with the physical there's

0:44:11.920 --> 0:44:16.120
<v Speaker 1>I feel like there's fixable issues because it was probably

0:44:16.160 --> 0:44:20.480
<v Speaker 1>like a a time frame or something specific that caused

0:44:20.520 --> 0:44:23.200
<v Speaker 1>the person to go outside the marriage with the with

0:44:23.239 --> 0:44:29.600
<v Speaker 1>the emotional I worry about can this ever be repaired?

0:44:30.520 --> 0:44:32.440
<v Speaker 1>Like will you ever love me because you fail for

0:44:32.480 --> 0:44:35.480
<v Speaker 1>another man? Like you told another person you loved them

0:44:35.920 --> 0:44:37.279
<v Speaker 1>and you wanted to start a life with them.

0:44:37.320 --> 0:44:40.680
<v Speaker 3>But maybe she truly didn't. I know, I've said I

0:44:40.719 --> 0:44:42.920
<v Speaker 3>loved you as people and I didn't really love them.

0:44:42.920 --> 0:44:45.719
<v Speaker 3>I just was needing a I was just needing that

0:44:45.840 --> 0:44:52.319
<v Speaker 3>emotional connection, you know what I mean. Yeah, So but

0:44:52.520 --> 0:44:54.840
<v Speaker 3>again that's hard for a husband to unsee that and

0:44:55.000 --> 0:44:55.319
<v Speaker 3>get that.

0:44:55.760 --> 0:44:56.640
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but.

0:44:58.719 --> 0:45:00.880
<v Speaker 3>I just you know, you guys obviously have another kid.

0:45:00.960 --> 0:45:03.359
<v Speaker 3>You bren another kid into the world. So I think

0:45:03.400 --> 0:45:07.160
<v Speaker 3>it's one of those things where you know, you just

0:45:07.320 --> 0:45:11.399
<v Speaker 3>you can't put the time on it. But also there's

0:45:11.400 --> 0:45:13.200
<v Speaker 3>got to be some growth on his side too to

0:45:13.280 --> 0:45:14.799
<v Speaker 3>try to Yeah, and.

0:45:14.760 --> 0:45:16.799
<v Speaker 1>The fact that she even says the way she says it,

0:45:16.840 --> 0:45:18.920
<v Speaker 1>he still holds it over my head.

0:45:19.120 --> 0:45:21.640
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, So that's something where it's like, that's not that's.

0:45:21.440 --> 0:45:24.200
<v Speaker 1>Different than expressing yes, all right, hey honey, you want

0:45:24.200 --> 0:45:26.840
<v Speaker 1>to go out with your friends. Okay, But here's my fears. Yeah,

0:45:26.920 --> 0:45:30.359
<v Speaker 1>because of what happened. That's the way, Yeah, saying hold

0:45:30.400 --> 0:45:31.799
<v Speaker 1>it over my head. It's like, no, I don't want

0:45:31.840 --> 0:45:33.719
<v Speaker 1>you to do that. Because I don't you're probably going

0:45:33.800 --> 0:45:36.319
<v Speaker 1>to do this. Yeah again four years in a child later.

0:45:37.520 --> 0:45:40.080
<v Speaker 1>You know, I'm sure she's just based on that she's

0:45:40.160 --> 0:45:42.600
<v Speaker 1>trying to show. I make up that she's showing that

0:45:42.640 --> 0:45:44.880
<v Speaker 1>she loves him and wants her life with her husband.

0:45:45.719 --> 0:45:46.520
<v Speaker 3>Well she's still there.

0:45:46.800 --> 0:45:50.280
<v Speaker 1>Yeah right, I'm saying, like through her actions.

0:45:49.880 --> 0:45:50.600
<v Speaker 3>Mark, what do you think?

0:45:51.040 --> 0:45:54.640
<v Speaker 4>Well, obviously, I mean, look, she broke his heart.

0:45:54.800 --> 0:45:57.399
<v Speaker 2>If I'm putting myself in his position, it's it's it's

0:45:57.480 --> 0:46:02.040
<v Speaker 2>just it's just profound sadness. It's heartbreak, it's it's a betrayal,

0:46:02.280 --> 0:46:03.080
<v Speaker 2>it's why.

0:46:03.120 --> 0:46:05.919
<v Speaker 4>Wasn't I enough? It's all that stuff. But I don't

0:46:05.920 --> 0:46:06.960
<v Speaker 4>know that it gives him the right to be a

0:46:06.960 --> 0:46:08.799
<v Speaker 4>dick to you remember the rest of your life?

0:46:08.840 --> 0:46:11.040
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you have to. That's the part where he has

0:46:11.080 --> 0:46:12.200
<v Speaker 3>to start, you know.

0:46:12.400 --> 0:46:14.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think I think I don't know if you

0:46:14.000 --> 0:46:16.080
<v Speaker 2>guys are in therapy, but I know that you guys

0:46:16.120 --> 0:46:18.000
<v Speaker 2>have gotten great results from that sort of thing, and

0:46:18.040 --> 0:46:20.759
<v Speaker 2>I think that will help him get over those emotions

0:46:20.800 --> 0:46:24.640
<v Speaker 2>of being so jerky about it. He doesn't have to

0:46:24.640 --> 0:46:26.520
<v Speaker 2>do that anymore, and maybe that's how you guys get

0:46:26.520 --> 0:46:29.120
<v Speaker 2>tart together. But like you guys said, it's just time. Yeah,

0:46:29.200 --> 0:46:32.240
<v Speaker 2>time is gonna He's not going anywhere, and that's great.

0:46:32.360 --> 0:46:34.360
<v Speaker 2>It's great that he's not going anywhere. It's not great

0:46:34.440 --> 0:46:36.319
<v Speaker 2>that he's got this. He's still holding it over your.

0:46:36.200 --> 0:46:38.840
<v Speaker 1>Head, which could be enticing him to not go anywhere

0:46:38.880 --> 0:46:41.560
<v Speaker 1>because he feels like he has this power and control

0:46:41.560 --> 0:46:45.160
<v Speaker 1>of the relationship, right, and so you know, if they're

0:46:45.200 --> 0:46:47.279
<v Speaker 1>not going to therapy number one, they definitely should. And

0:46:47.640 --> 0:46:51.680
<v Speaker 1>he's probably hasn't owned anything that he's done where maybe

0:46:51.800 --> 0:46:54.719
<v Speaker 1>he had something to do with driving her away, but

0:46:55.239 --> 0:46:57.440
<v Speaker 1>he's still holding on to it. Again, just based off

0:46:57.440 --> 0:47:00.319
<v Speaker 1>the vernacular she uses, it doesn't seem like he's like, well,

0:47:00.360 --> 0:47:02.880
<v Speaker 1>what could I have done to to not push her away?

0:47:03.200 --> 0:47:05.479
<v Speaker 1>It doesn't seem like he's doing that at all, which

0:47:05.480 --> 0:47:08.160
<v Speaker 1>he needs to, right because divorce was a daily topic

0:47:08.200 --> 0:47:11.520
<v Speaker 1>before this happened, right, so obviously there's issues. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

0:47:12.280 --> 0:47:14.960
<v Speaker 1>just seems like he's still fingerpointing as opposed to being like,

0:47:15.040 --> 0:47:16.560
<v Speaker 1>is there something I could have done? Like you know,

0:47:16.640 --> 0:47:19.239
<v Speaker 1>you for you, it took you a while, it took you,

0:47:19.239 --> 0:47:21.919
<v Speaker 1>you know, some time, but you got to the place

0:47:21.960 --> 0:47:24.280
<v Speaker 1>eventually where it's like, well what can I do different?

0:47:25.320 --> 0:47:25.480
<v Speaker 5>You know?

0:47:26.680 --> 0:47:27.560
<v Speaker 1>And it takes time.

0:47:27.640 --> 0:47:30.320
<v Speaker 3>But four years down this place now, not before.

0:47:30.520 --> 0:47:33.359
<v Speaker 1>No, I'm not saying like immediately after. It takes some time,

0:47:33.400 --> 0:47:36.480
<v Speaker 1>but four years down the road. Again, everyone's different, everyone's

0:47:36.480 --> 0:47:39.120
<v Speaker 1>timeline is different. But I'd like to think that they

0:47:39.120 --> 0:47:41.600
<v Speaker 1>should be in a place, or hopefully he'd be in

0:47:41.600 --> 0:47:43.520
<v Speaker 1>a place to start to look at himself.

0:47:43.920 --> 0:47:46.160
<v Speaker 3>Can I mention something that kind of came up at

0:47:46.160 --> 0:47:48.120
<v Speaker 3>the podcast tour that kind of has still stuck with me,

0:47:48.160 --> 0:47:50.080
<v Speaker 3>that's bothered me a little bit about the kind of

0:47:50.080 --> 0:47:52.800
<v Speaker 3>this topic. Sure, I'm kind of interested to see Mark's

0:47:52.840 --> 0:47:56.480
<v Speaker 3>point of view too. So I had asked our guests

0:47:56.600 --> 0:47:57.960
<v Speaker 3>and then I kind of asked Michael, I said, what

0:47:57.960 --> 0:48:01.480
<v Speaker 3>would be your marriage deal breaker? And he had said

0:48:02.080 --> 0:48:06.279
<v Speaker 3>if I cheated on him? And so, after everything we've

0:48:06.320 --> 0:48:09.439
<v Speaker 3>been through, after everything we've been through, if you cheat

0:48:09.480 --> 0:48:12.680
<v Speaker 3>on me, And I'm thinking to myself, I get that

0:48:12.800 --> 0:48:16.240
<v Speaker 3>because we've done so much work, but I but still

0:48:19.040 --> 0:48:23.319
<v Speaker 3>it feels so one sided to me that after me

0:48:23.480 --> 0:48:25.640
<v Speaker 3>sticking through it because I thought we did a lot

0:48:25.640 --> 0:48:27.600
<v Speaker 3>of work. And I know, Granton, we've done so much

0:48:27.640 --> 0:48:31.799
<v Speaker 3>work now post you know, getting married and stuff. But

0:48:32.640 --> 0:48:35.600
<v Speaker 3>it's that you would really truly leave me if I

0:48:35.719 --> 0:48:39.000
<v Speaker 3>cheated on you, And that feels so shallow to me

0:48:39.040 --> 0:48:39.479
<v Speaker 3>in a way.

0:48:41.040 --> 0:48:44.960
<v Speaker 1>I understand why it would, and I understand why anyone

0:48:45.000 --> 0:48:46.839
<v Speaker 1>male or female, if they're in your position. Why if

0:48:46.840 --> 0:48:48.680
<v Speaker 1>the other person said, that's like really, like what the

0:48:48.840 --> 0:48:50.640
<v Speaker 1>f Like? I took you back? I was willing to

0:48:50.680 --> 0:48:53.360
<v Speaker 1>work at this. Why would that be a deal breaker

0:48:53.800 --> 0:48:57.799
<v Speaker 1>for me? It's not about the act. It's about if

0:48:58.320 --> 0:49:01.960
<v Speaker 1>Because we value our communication, we value therapy and discussing

0:49:02.000 --> 0:49:04.200
<v Speaker 1>on what's going on in our life. If we got

0:49:04.200 --> 0:49:06.400
<v Speaker 1>to that point where you weren't talking about things that

0:49:06.440 --> 0:49:08.200
<v Speaker 1>were wrong, and you get to a point where you

0:49:08.280 --> 0:49:11.680
<v Speaker 1>just stuffed it all down and acted out outside of

0:49:11.719 --> 0:49:14.400
<v Speaker 1>our marriage, then I'd be like, what have we been

0:49:14.440 --> 0:49:17.600
<v Speaker 1>doing all this work for? Like? Then then that means

0:49:17.600 --> 0:49:19.239
<v Speaker 1>you weren't doing the work and coming to me and

0:49:19.280 --> 0:49:20.400
<v Speaker 1>bringing up issues that you have.

0:49:20.600 --> 0:49:23.000
<v Speaker 3>So maybe I had my own issues and wouldn't you

0:49:23.040 --> 0:49:25.200
<v Speaker 3>wouldn't stick. I didn't know that you had your issues

0:49:25.239 --> 0:49:27.799
<v Speaker 3>before we got married, you know, and it's I'm just

0:49:27.800 --> 0:49:31.320
<v Speaker 3>plaining Devil's advocate in a get I don't understand that

0:49:31.320 --> 0:49:35.000
<v Speaker 3>that really bothers me, that that would be your thing.

0:49:35.000 --> 0:49:37.960
<v Speaker 3>I'm like, man, after everything I've stuck out with you,

0:49:38.760 --> 0:49:42.360
<v Speaker 3>and if I have my moment where sometimes because everything

0:49:42.400 --> 0:49:44.840
<v Speaker 3>we're going through was a lot and maybe that is

0:49:44.920 --> 0:49:50.839
<v Speaker 3>my way of having my slip, not saying it's right,

0:49:51.160 --> 0:49:53.640
<v Speaker 3>but like after you know, we might get into a

0:49:53.640 --> 0:49:57.800
<v Speaker 3>big argument and you might have a medium relapse or something,

0:49:59.000 --> 0:50:02.200
<v Speaker 3>maybe not even a physical but and if I go on,

0:50:02.280 --> 0:50:04.279
<v Speaker 3>I'm like, I'm like, you're gonna leave me because of that?

0:50:04.480 --> 0:50:07.239
<v Speaker 3>Like that for it just really like bothers me.

0:50:07.560 --> 0:50:09.120
<v Speaker 1>Just like we talk about a lot on this right,

0:50:09.200 --> 0:50:10.759
<v Speaker 1>you don't know what you're doing in this situation until

0:50:10.760 --> 0:50:13.680
<v Speaker 1>you're in it. All I'm saying is because of all

0:50:13.760 --> 0:50:16.280
<v Speaker 1>the work and all the time and all the therapy

0:50:16.320 --> 0:50:17.400
<v Speaker 1>we have put into this.

0:50:18.840 --> 0:50:19.759
<v Speaker 3>Just terrupts me.

0:50:19.840 --> 0:50:22.759
<v Speaker 1>And which I understand. I understand why I would I

0:50:22.800 --> 0:50:24.520
<v Speaker 1>do I empathize with that.

0:50:24.640 --> 0:50:27.239
<v Speaker 3>Because I'm like, I can I can still grow with

0:50:27.360 --> 0:50:33.080
<v Speaker 3>because again, everything that we've been through, I could foresee

0:50:33.200 --> 0:50:36.000
<v Speaker 3>maybe one day Not saying I would ever cheat on you,

0:50:36.480 --> 0:50:39.040
<v Speaker 3>but having being so like, you know, what ef.

0:50:39.120 --> 0:50:42.560
<v Speaker 1>It right again? Because of all the things that we

0:50:42.640 --> 0:50:44.160
<v Speaker 1>do to prevent those things, But.

0:50:44.080 --> 0:50:47.600
<v Speaker 3>What if we didn't? What if? Likes said, But I'm

0:50:47.719 --> 0:50:51.200
<v Speaker 3>just saying that to me just feels Mark, do you

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<v Speaker 3>have any insight on that? And because you're just kind

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<v Speaker 3>of staring at.

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<v Speaker 4>It, trying to hang back on.

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<v Speaker 2>I do think it's silly to think that there will

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<v Speaker 2>never be any more problem. It's because you're putting in

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<v Speaker 2>this work, which is great, and you're working together on this,

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<v Speaker 2>There's still going to be problems.

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<v Speaker 1>Along the way.

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<v Speaker 3>I still might be holding resentment to you, and I

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<v Speaker 3>still have resentment, but in some day, one day that

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<v Speaker 3>might flare up more and I might be weak just

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<v Speaker 3>like you've been weak. And but yet to know that

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<v Speaker 3>my partner, after all this stuff would leave me from

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<v Speaker 3>a weak moment like that just feels so like, Man,

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<v Speaker 3>what is this then? That you wouldn't fight through it

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<v Speaker 3>with me to get back to a good place again,

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<v Speaker 3>Because I honestly will say, I mean, it's just that's just.

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<v Speaker 5>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 4>I think he would. Honestly, I think he'd leave. I

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<v Speaker 4>don't I do I think he would.

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<v Speaker 3>Because the fact that he even said that because he

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<v Speaker 3>had no I but I'll tell you, I'll tell you

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<v Speaker 3>this would have been my answer, because I wouldn't have

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<v Speaker 3>said if you cheated on me again. It would be

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<v Speaker 3>if you if you continuously were defensive or or or

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<v Speaker 3>so ink like I can't live in that kind of household, right,

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<v Speaker 3>that would be my marriage deal breaker, not if he

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<v Speaker 3>cheats again. Okay, so that's what else?

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<v Speaker 1>People?

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<v Speaker 5>All right, But.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean where again, what else would mine be?

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<v Speaker 5>Oh?

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<v Speaker 3>Gosh, I could I could shame you twenty four to seven?

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<v Speaker 4>I could, Yes, you know, I guess that would be

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<v Speaker 4>a deal. But we're past that.

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<v Speaker 5>We're not.

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<v Speaker 3>That's what I'm saying. Like there might be days that I.

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<v Speaker 1>Still yeah, and you still have those moments, but it's

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<v Speaker 1>not like it was at the beginning. If you still

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<v Speaker 1>shame me now like you used to, Yes, and I

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<v Speaker 1>even told and I even contemplated that stuff then where

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, I don't know if I can stay

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<v Speaker 1>in this because of that. But we got past that.

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<v Speaker 1>So you said, like from this point moving forward, if

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<v Speaker 1>you just randomly started to shame in me all the

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<v Speaker 1>time like you used to, then yes, but that's not

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<v Speaker 1>what's happening. So the only thing I could I could

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<v Speaker 1>come up with is if you did that, it would

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<v Speaker 1>just be really hard after all of the work that

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<v Speaker 1>we've done. That's like now if I if I relapsed physically.

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<v Speaker 3>But you'll say, well, it's an addiction.

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<v Speaker 1>I've never used it as an.

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<v Speaker 3>Excuse, but you have. You're like, you know, I'm an addict.

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<v Speaker 3>This is a possibility, you said.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, because I could never say never.

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<v Speaker 3>Right. But you're saying, but in therapy, you'd say, like, well,

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<v Speaker 3>I said, you know, but I wouldn't.

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<v Speaker 1>Expect you But I wouldn't. I wouldn't write that off

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<v Speaker 1>and expect you to be okay, I wouldn't, you know

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<v Speaker 1>what I mean. So, but I'm saying, if if I

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<v Speaker 1>did that, you're telling me that you wouldn't have a

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<v Speaker 1>really hard time staying.

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<v Speaker 3>It wouldn't be the reason I left.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't ask that, we say, would I asked that.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't ask that. I said, would you have a

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<v Speaker 1>really hard time staying?

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<v Speaker 3>Of course I would, right, But that wouldn't.

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<v Speaker 1>Be because of why, because of all the work that

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<v Speaker 1>we've done.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, No, because of the principle. Yeah, but it's you know,

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<v Speaker 3>that's not for me, But that's not my deal breaker.

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<v Speaker 1>But you would still be a really hard It would

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<v Speaker 1>be really hard for you determine whether to stay or not.

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<v Speaker 3>That doesn't that's not my deal breaker though, And that's okay.

0:53:59.840 --> 0:54:03.719
<v Speaker 3>We have different ones. It's just I'm just having I'm.

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<v Speaker 1>Trying to put you in the same position where.

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<v Speaker 3>But I would not that would not be my deal breaker.

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<v Speaker 3>You're trying to like put me and say that I

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<v Speaker 3>understand it'd be hard decision, but it wouldn't be my

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<v Speaker 3>deal breaker. And that's what you said, your deal breaker

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<v Speaker 3>would be.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, let me rephrase then, Jesus, it would be a

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<v Speaker 1>really hard decision.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, all right, we have to go pick up her daughter.

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<v Speaker 3>This has been a really good episode.

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<v Speaker 1>Note thanks for your email, Holly.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, thanks, Holli By it's a lot.

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<v Speaker 5>We're going to be out.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, yeah,