1 00:00:06,880 --> 00:00:10,280 Speaker 1: Welcome to Between the Horns, presented by your Southern California 2 00:00:10,360 --> 00:00:13,399 Speaker 1: Toyo to Dealers. I'm cameroner with alongside DeMarco far as 3 00:00:13,480 --> 00:00:17,480 Speaker 1: well as JV. Long as we get set for week fifteen. 4 00:00:17,520 --> 00:00:20,159 Speaker 1: The Rams now sit at six and seven after the 5 00:00:20,360 --> 00:00:24,880 Speaker 1: overtime loss of the Baltimore Ravens just a week ago. 6 00:00:25,040 --> 00:00:27,400 Speaker 1: But you know, guys, every time I walk into this room, 7 00:00:27,440 --> 00:00:29,520 Speaker 1: before we really dig into this, I keep thinking that 8 00:00:29,600 --> 00:00:30,520 Speaker 1: a fern's going to end. 9 00:00:30,520 --> 00:00:32,680 Speaker 2: Up here because we got some on that wall. 10 00:00:32,760 --> 00:00:34,800 Speaker 1: But I mean, this is between the horns, between the carns. 11 00:00:34,800 --> 00:00:35,920 Speaker 2: We're getting close, right. 12 00:00:35,800 --> 00:00:38,839 Speaker 3: We're getting closer, getting closer. Yeah, I still don't know 13 00:00:38,840 --> 00:00:41,559 Speaker 3: how to feel coming out of Baltimore, do you. I'd like, 14 00:00:41,680 --> 00:00:44,720 Speaker 3: I'm happy you almost won moral victories, but you still 15 00:00:44,720 --> 00:00:47,360 Speaker 3: got the l so you're in the hunt, but you're 16 00:00:47,720 --> 00:00:49,200 Speaker 3: coming off a loss. It's just weird. 17 00:00:49,520 --> 00:00:53,479 Speaker 4: I'm still stuck on between two ferns. I like that 18 00:00:53,600 --> 00:00:55,520 Speaker 4: Jimmy g better than the other. Jimmy. 19 00:00:55,640 --> 00:00:58,240 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that's fair. That's fair, very true. 20 00:00:58,280 --> 00:01:00,000 Speaker 4: Good to have you, Cameron, Nice to see you. 21 00:01:00,120 --> 00:01:01,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's nice to be back with you, guys. I 22 00:01:01,560 --> 00:01:03,760 Speaker 1: always look forward to spending some time talking the rams. 23 00:01:04,120 --> 00:01:08,039 Speaker 4: Are you and Sam and Kirsten and Sarah and Chadwick 24 00:01:08,040 --> 00:01:10,720 Speaker 4: going to do two games in five days? 25 00:01:10,720 --> 00:01:14,120 Speaker 1: It's so fine, you know, quick rehearsals and a quick exchange. 26 00:01:14,160 --> 00:01:16,240 Speaker 1: It's never a bad day to be in Sofi Stadium though, 27 00:01:16,280 --> 00:01:18,039 Speaker 1: so you really can't complain when you get two in 28 00:01:18,080 --> 00:01:21,119 Speaker 1: a week. So happy to be there. But for this show, 29 00:01:21,160 --> 00:01:22,800 Speaker 1: we're going to be talking a few things. Not only 30 00:01:22,840 --> 00:01:24,640 Speaker 1: are we going to take a look back at Baltimore, 31 00:01:24,680 --> 00:01:27,120 Speaker 1: but we'll also go over some news and notes. We 32 00:01:27,240 --> 00:01:29,600 Speaker 1: also will have a chance to go over the commanders 33 00:01:29,640 --> 00:01:33,200 Speaker 1: and what's to come for week fifteen, and not to mention, 34 00:01:33,240 --> 00:01:35,000 Speaker 1: we're gonna have some fun. I hope you're gearing up. 35 00:01:35,280 --> 00:01:37,959 Speaker 1: Start thinking about one thousand pounds, because I'm gonna ask 36 00:01:38,000 --> 00:01:40,320 Speaker 1: you what might be the context to that? 37 00:01:40,560 --> 00:01:42,360 Speaker 3: She says a thousand pounds and you both look at me. 38 00:01:42,760 --> 00:01:45,000 Speaker 3: Why why? Why move on? 39 00:01:45,160 --> 00:01:48,960 Speaker 2: Let's go, come on, well, start thinking, get creative. All right? 40 00:01:49,000 --> 00:01:52,080 Speaker 1: Well, some updates in terms of injuries to this point, 41 00:01:52,400 --> 00:01:55,320 Speaker 1: a couple things. Tyler Higbee limited. We may see him 42 00:01:55,360 --> 00:01:57,840 Speaker 1: back out on the field to to at well has 43 00:01:57,880 --> 00:02:01,880 Speaker 1: to still clear concussion protocol. Rob Stein also questionable. Ben 44 00:02:01,920 --> 00:02:05,160 Speaker 1: Scronic Michael Hoyt were limited participants as of yesterday. But 45 00:02:05,200 --> 00:02:08,560 Speaker 1: the good news is Quintin Lake was a full participant 46 00:02:08,600 --> 00:02:13,079 Speaker 1: as of yesterday, and it's a big plus potentially having 47 00:02:13,160 --> 00:02:14,400 Speaker 1: him back out on the field of Marko. 48 00:02:14,680 --> 00:02:17,760 Speaker 3: I remember, wasn't Sean McVay, so geeked about him before 49 00:02:17,800 --> 00:02:20,280 Speaker 3: he got hurt and he was making his rise, and 50 00:02:20,840 --> 00:02:22,960 Speaker 3: you know, I think he could have played last week, 51 00:02:23,040 --> 00:02:25,120 Speaker 3: but they gave him the extra week just to get 52 00:02:25,120 --> 00:02:27,200 Speaker 3: healthy because I think he is so important to this 53 00:02:27,240 --> 00:02:29,040 Speaker 3: defense and what he can do with the versatility when 54 00:02:29,040 --> 00:02:31,640 Speaker 3: they go three safeties, you can match up with just 55 00:02:31,639 --> 00:02:34,640 Speaker 3: about any personnel group eleven through twelve with that guy 56 00:02:34,680 --> 00:02:37,520 Speaker 3: on the field. So he is so important and I 57 00:02:37,520 --> 00:02:39,239 Speaker 3: think he's on the rise. So the fact that he's 58 00:02:39,240 --> 00:02:42,080 Speaker 3: coming back is absolutely huge to this defense. 59 00:02:42,440 --> 00:02:44,639 Speaker 4: New long snapper too. Don't want to overlook that one 60 00:02:44,680 --> 00:02:47,720 Speaker 4: for a unit that's been struggling and in fact had 61 00:02:47,919 --> 00:02:50,480 Speaker 4: a disappointing moment to finish last week's game. I think 62 00:02:50,760 --> 00:02:52,480 Speaker 4: that's really going to help tell the story of how 63 00:02:52,480 --> 00:02:54,800 Speaker 4: these Rams finished these final four games, is what they 64 00:02:54,800 --> 00:02:56,680 Speaker 4: can get out of that third phase well, and. 65 00:02:56,639 --> 00:02:59,880 Speaker 1: We'll also have to mention Hunter long out for this season. 66 00:03:00,080 --> 00:03:02,280 Speaker 1: We'll get into the tight end group later on when 67 00:03:02,320 --> 00:03:04,880 Speaker 1: we discuss the commanders, but that's going to be an 68 00:03:04,919 --> 00:03:06,840 Speaker 1: area where the Rams are going to have to make 69 00:03:06,880 --> 00:03:08,919 Speaker 1: some decisions. But the good news is there is no 70 00:03:08,960 --> 00:03:11,200 Speaker 1: doubt a bright spot when we get into that conversation. 71 00:03:11,360 --> 00:03:14,919 Speaker 1: But let's head nowt to the playoffs because December football. 72 00:03:14,960 --> 00:03:19,040 Speaker 1: We have earned the right do have meaningful football in December, 73 00:03:19,240 --> 00:03:23,400 Speaker 1: and as gut wrenching as that last loss was, there 74 00:03:23,480 --> 00:03:26,280 Speaker 1: is still opportunity. And it's interesting. I looked at some 75 00:03:26,320 --> 00:03:29,120 Speaker 1: of the projections. About twenty five to thirty percent is 76 00:03:29,160 --> 00:03:32,000 Speaker 1: what most of them say are the Rams projections to 77 00:03:32,080 --> 00:03:35,360 Speaker 1: make the playoffs. However, if you look at some of 78 00:03:35,400 --> 00:03:38,440 Speaker 1: the storylines for the teams that are also six and seven, 79 00:03:38,440 --> 00:03:41,040 Speaker 1: there are five in the NFC, I don't know if 80 00:03:41,080 --> 00:03:42,280 Speaker 1: that's a fair assessment. 81 00:03:42,960 --> 00:03:43,520 Speaker 2: Do you think so? 82 00:03:44,560 --> 00:03:46,840 Speaker 3: No? You know, I go week by week, but I mean, 83 00:03:47,080 --> 00:03:50,280 Speaker 3: do the Rams control their own destiny or did they 84 00:03:50,360 --> 00:03:51,760 Speaker 3: have to hold something happens. 85 00:03:51,560 --> 00:03:55,000 Speaker 4: They go four and oh. From here, they'll be like N's. 86 00:03:55,080 --> 00:03:57,320 Speaker 3: That's where my focus is. But if you can look, 87 00:03:57,560 --> 00:04:01,080 Speaker 3: you always welcome help. If the opposition to lose, don't 88 00:04:01,120 --> 00:04:03,560 Speaker 3: get in their way. Go ahead, But you came. 89 00:04:03,400 --> 00:04:05,680 Speaker 4: Here, boy, Tommy DeVito, Absolutely that guy. 90 00:04:05,840 --> 00:04:09,600 Speaker 3: I'd jah. I love this. Help in the middle, my 91 00:04:09,640 --> 00:04:12,280 Speaker 3: favorite quarterback right now. But yeah, just you. The Rams 92 00:04:12,320 --> 00:04:14,440 Speaker 3: have to take care of their own business, but if 93 00:04:14,440 --> 00:04:16,240 Speaker 3: you can get help throughout the league, then so be it. 94 00:04:16,600 --> 00:04:19,120 Speaker 4: Jake Brown and your next my former Husky. 95 00:04:19,040 --> 00:04:21,160 Speaker 3: Woof Absolutely good year for the for the Dogs. 96 00:04:21,400 --> 00:04:24,120 Speaker 4: I was thinking this week like, I can't wait for January. 97 00:04:24,160 --> 00:04:26,200 Speaker 4: I believe the Rams are going to be a playoff team. 98 00:04:26,240 --> 00:04:28,280 Speaker 4: I think they can do some damage if they get in. 99 00:04:28,960 --> 00:04:30,840 Speaker 4: But I like this time of year as much, if 100 00:04:30,880 --> 00:04:32,800 Speaker 4: not more, because by the time you get to the playoffs, 101 00:04:32,839 --> 00:04:35,880 Speaker 4: it's so cut and dry. It's survive in advance, and 102 00:04:35,920 --> 00:04:38,880 Speaker 4: that's great, but you're locked in on your matchup and 103 00:04:38,920 --> 00:04:42,320 Speaker 4: that's all that matters right now. Almost every game matters. 104 00:04:42,480 --> 00:04:46,080 Speaker 4: Minnesota at Cincinnati Saturday, huge Tampa Bay going to Green Bay, 105 00:04:46,279 --> 00:04:50,560 Speaker 4: Huge Philadelphia going to Seattle, consequential, and on and on 106 00:04:50,600 --> 00:04:53,200 Speaker 4: and on. There isn't a game this week that that 107 00:04:53,320 --> 00:04:56,280 Speaker 4: doesn't matter, save for a couple of like AFC only contests. 108 00:04:56,400 --> 00:04:59,760 Speaker 1: You mentioned Minnesota, and they sit currently at seven and six. 109 00:04:59,800 --> 00:05:02,159 Speaker 1: They actually might be our best shot considering they're starting 110 00:05:02,160 --> 00:05:05,719 Speaker 1: their fourth different quarterback in the last seven games. So 111 00:05:06,360 --> 00:05:08,840 Speaker 1: are we looking at Nick Mullins? I mean, what can 112 00:05:08,880 --> 00:05:11,080 Speaker 1: Minnesota do to clear out the rest of their season. 113 00:05:11,200 --> 00:05:14,120 Speaker 3: I see one quarterback. His name is how That's it everyone. 114 00:05:14,320 --> 00:05:16,320 Speaker 3: That's all I see right now. Is that guy. That's 115 00:05:16,320 --> 00:05:17,080 Speaker 3: the most important thing. 116 00:05:17,080 --> 00:05:18,320 Speaker 4: But you got a player in you. 117 00:05:18,400 --> 00:05:20,320 Speaker 3: That's the guy. I mean, that's that's the job. That's 118 00:05:20,320 --> 00:05:22,039 Speaker 3: what you have to do. That's all you can control. 119 00:05:22,080 --> 00:05:24,960 Speaker 3: But yeah, I mean having Nick Mullins as a guy 120 00:05:25,000 --> 00:05:27,800 Speaker 3: that could help or hurt you, that could be scary 121 00:05:27,960 --> 00:05:30,520 Speaker 3: considering what we know about him coming out of Sam fran. 122 00:05:30,640 --> 00:05:32,560 Speaker 4: I'll say a couple of things on this point. One, 123 00:05:33,960 --> 00:05:36,159 Speaker 4: it stinks not to get that Baltimore win, and I 124 00:05:36,200 --> 00:05:38,120 Speaker 4: wish we could rewind time and play it over time 125 00:05:38,240 --> 00:05:41,640 Speaker 4: or even the fourth quarter again. But before the Rams 126 00:05:41,640 --> 00:05:43,719 Speaker 4: took the field, we all knew and felt that was 127 00:05:43,760 --> 00:05:46,039 Speaker 4: not the game they needed to win. One because Baltimore's 128 00:05:46,080 --> 00:05:48,600 Speaker 4: really good and it's on the road. Two because Baltimore 129 00:05:48,600 --> 00:05:50,880 Speaker 4: was the last AFC opponent on the schedule. These next 130 00:05:50,880 --> 00:05:53,960 Speaker 4: four games are way more important because if it comes 131 00:05:54,000 --> 00:05:57,240 Speaker 4: down to a tiebreaker. NFC record could matter, and speaking 132 00:05:57,240 --> 00:05:59,720 Speaker 4: of tiebreakers, I can't go into all the details right here. 133 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:02,080 Speaker 4: The best case scenario is that the Rams beat the 134 00:06:02,120 --> 00:06:05,040 Speaker 4: Packers and the Vikings of the finish line and finish 135 00:06:05,080 --> 00:06:09,120 Speaker 4: clear of those. But a three way tie between Minnesota, 136 00:06:09,120 --> 00:06:11,080 Speaker 4: Green Bay and Los Angeles could be the key to 137 00:06:11,160 --> 00:06:13,479 Speaker 4: unlocking the Rams postseason. That's for another day. 138 00:06:14,320 --> 00:06:17,359 Speaker 1: The playoff picture will come that much clearer as we 139 00:06:17,400 --> 00:06:20,960 Speaker 1: continue through December. You mentioned Baltimore, and we have to 140 00:06:21,000 --> 00:06:23,080 Speaker 1: go back, and I know each of you have watched 141 00:06:23,080 --> 00:06:25,400 Speaker 1: the game time and time again in the last three 142 00:06:25,560 --> 00:06:29,960 Speaker 1: or four days. There are so many takeaways. It was 143 00:06:30,040 --> 00:06:32,800 Speaker 1: a gut wrenching loss. Those are the words of Sean mcphay. 144 00:06:33,400 --> 00:06:36,040 Speaker 1: How is it that as tough as that loss was, 145 00:06:36,360 --> 00:06:38,480 Speaker 1: we're still sitting here and I look back at that going. 146 00:06:38,720 --> 00:06:40,120 Speaker 2: Man, that was sure fun to watch. 147 00:06:40,440 --> 00:06:42,919 Speaker 3: Man. I think it might be the first walkoff putt 148 00:06:42,920 --> 00:06:45,479 Speaker 3: return I've ever been a part of, really, I mean, 149 00:06:45,760 --> 00:06:48,000 Speaker 3: in a game that really mattered. I remember one way 150 00:06:48,040 --> 00:06:51,000 Speaker 3: back in twenty eleven, Patrick Peterson scored, but there was 151 00:06:51,000 --> 00:06:54,080 Speaker 3: three wins between both teams and this was like mid season, 152 00:06:54,120 --> 00:06:55,800 Speaker 3: so it really didn't matter. It was just like, Wow, 153 00:06:55,839 --> 00:06:58,039 Speaker 3: I can't believe that happened. But that was the first 154 00:06:58,080 --> 00:07:01,720 Speaker 3: walk off in overtime i'd ever seen. But it was 155 00:07:01,720 --> 00:07:03,599 Speaker 3: a hard fought battle. There was a lot of things 156 00:07:03,680 --> 00:07:05,719 Speaker 3: to take away that you liked. Sean McVay liked it. 157 00:07:05,760 --> 00:07:08,040 Speaker 3: They were so tough. They went nose to nose with 158 00:07:08,120 --> 00:07:11,040 Speaker 3: Baltimore and they played physical. You took the entire air 159 00:07:11,080 --> 00:07:14,080 Speaker 3: out of that stadium. That is hard to do in Baltimore, 160 00:07:14,120 --> 00:07:16,000 Speaker 3: and you did it. You did everything you needed to 161 00:07:16,000 --> 00:07:19,000 Speaker 3: do to win that football game except the final few plays. 162 00:07:19,360 --> 00:07:21,920 Speaker 3: So there's a lot to like. There's some things that 163 00:07:21,960 --> 00:07:24,120 Speaker 3: are going to stick in your craft forever. There are 164 00:07:24,120 --> 00:07:27,160 Speaker 3: some opportunities missed that you'll never forget as a player. 165 00:07:27,240 --> 00:07:31,040 Speaker 3: That's just the way this game is. But of course 166 00:07:31,080 --> 00:07:33,920 Speaker 3: you want the w But when you talk about focus 167 00:07:33,960 --> 00:07:35,960 Speaker 3: and trap game, when you got the Commanders coming up 168 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:38,640 Speaker 3: and the weak part of your schedule, losing to Baltimore 169 00:07:38,720 --> 00:07:40,640 Speaker 3: could have been a blessing in disguise because now you 170 00:07:40,640 --> 00:07:43,000 Speaker 3: don't have to motivate through this week. You don't have 171 00:07:43,040 --> 00:07:46,760 Speaker 3: to worry about the team playing down to Washington. All 172 00:07:46,760 --> 00:07:48,640 Speaker 3: you have to do is think back to the opportunity 173 00:07:48,680 --> 00:07:51,000 Speaker 3: you just missed in Baltimore, you will be jacked and 174 00:07:51,040 --> 00:07:52,760 Speaker 3: ready to go for work this you both. 175 00:07:52,560 --> 00:07:55,160 Speaker 1: Sat down with Sean on Monday, what would you say 176 00:07:55,240 --> 00:07:56,160 Speaker 1: is the pulse of this team? 177 00:07:56,160 --> 00:07:58,280 Speaker 2: Because you said they don't need motivation. 178 00:07:58,880 --> 00:08:03,520 Speaker 4: It's opportunity law. But I also think that anger, that 179 00:08:03,560 --> 00:08:06,080 Speaker 4: frustration can be the fuel that gets the Rams to 180 00:08:06,120 --> 00:08:09,720 Speaker 4: the finish line. Now that loss is going to make 181 00:08:09,760 --> 00:08:11,720 Speaker 4: it more difficult for them to get in the postseason. 182 00:08:11,840 --> 00:08:14,679 Speaker 4: But if they can overcome it and get beyond Week eighteen, 183 00:08:14,800 --> 00:08:17,400 Speaker 4: I think there'll be a more dangerous playoff team because 184 00:08:17,400 --> 00:08:20,240 Speaker 4: of what happened in Baltimore. You can't tell me that 185 00:08:20,280 --> 00:08:23,280 Speaker 4: a playoff team with a healthy Matthew Stafford, Aaron Donald, 186 00:08:23,280 --> 00:08:26,240 Speaker 4: Cooper Cup, Sean mcvah at the controls is going to 187 00:08:26,360 --> 00:08:29,600 Speaker 4: flinch one bit having to go to Philadelphia or Dallas 188 00:08:29,760 --> 00:08:32,120 Speaker 4: or Detroit for a road wild card game based on 189 00:08:32,160 --> 00:08:34,600 Speaker 4: what they just put on tape last week. Now, San 190 00:08:34,640 --> 00:08:37,320 Speaker 4: Francisco's another story. We'll get to that in Week eighteen. 191 00:08:37,559 --> 00:08:40,160 Speaker 4: That comes with a whole bunch of other complicating matters. 192 00:08:40,920 --> 00:08:44,160 Speaker 4: But I took a lot of positives out of that game. 193 00:08:44,240 --> 00:08:48,320 Speaker 4: That being said, they're out of moral victories. Only actual 194 00:08:48,400 --> 00:08:51,080 Speaker 4: victories will get them to where they're trying to go from. Now, 195 00:08:51,280 --> 00:08:53,040 Speaker 4: we've all talked about Baltimore, though you haven't had a 196 00:08:53,120 --> 00:08:55,040 Speaker 4: chance to weigh in. You were watching the Ravens game. 197 00:08:55,080 --> 00:08:56,479 Speaker 4: What'd you think? What were your takeaways? 198 00:08:57,080 --> 00:09:00,720 Speaker 1: I think one of my biggest takeaways was not just 199 00:09:00,800 --> 00:09:02,840 Speaker 1: the explosive plays, but also the run game. What we 200 00:09:02,880 --> 00:09:05,840 Speaker 1: saw on the first drive Kien Williams was phenomenal, but 201 00:09:06,000 --> 00:09:08,400 Speaker 1: it also made me reminisce to a conversation the three 202 00:09:08,440 --> 00:09:10,800 Speaker 1: of us had back at training camp on between the 203 00:09:10,840 --> 00:09:13,400 Speaker 1: Horns where we got into a little bit. You wanted 204 00:09:13,440 --> 00:09:15,439 Speaker 1: more run game in this season, and I wanted more 205 00:09:15,480 --> 00:09:18,439 Speaker 1: explosive plays. And I feel like Christmas has maybe come 206 00:09:18,480 --> 00:09:21,720 Speaker 1: early for the both of us because since Week twelve, 207 00:09:21,960 --> 00:09:24,600 Speaker 1: I mean, this Los Angeles Rams team is now top 208 00:09:24,640 --> 00:09:27,400 Speaker 1: three in the NFL and points per game, total yards 209 00:09:27,400 --> 00:09:29,960 Speaker 1: per game, as well as your rush yards per game. 210 00:09:30,000 --> 00:09:32,079 Speaker 2: I mean, I feel like we're getting the best of 211 00:09:32,160 --> 00:09:32,840 Speaker 2: both worlds. 212 00:09:33,280 --> 00:09:35,440 Speaker 3: I think we both want the same thing. We want 213 00:09:35,520 --> 00:09:38,000 Speaker 3: more points. We want this team to win. So whether 214 00:09:38,040 --> 00:09:40,480 Speaker 3: it's explosive running the football, either way, it works. But 215 00:09:40,520 --> 00:09:42,080 Speaker 3: I think We're going to have to adjust what we 216 00:09:42,120 --> 00:09:45,000 Speaker 3: think because I like what you said there, Matthew Stafford, 217 00:09:45,000 --> 00:09:47,400 Speaker 3: Cooper Cup, Aaron Doneald, that's the stars. But I throw 218 00:09:47,480 --> 00:09:49,920 Speaker 3: Pooka nakup in there right now. I even I throw 219 00:09:50,000 --> 00:09:53,200 Speaker 3: Kyrien Williams in there right now as one of your stars, 220 00:09:53,240 --> 00:09:56,160 Speaker 3: one of the driving forces behind your success. So look, 221 00:09:56,720 --> 00:09:59,800 Speaker 3: whatever the easiest path the victory, that's what you should do. 222 00:09:59,840 --> 00:10:01,720 Speaker 3: If if you're running the football and they can't stop it, 223 00:10:01,760 --> 00:10:04,120 Speaker 3: then why stop running it. If you can't run it 224 00:10:04,120 --> 00:10:05,760 Speaker 3: and you have to throw it and you're having success, 225 00:10:05,800 --> 00:10:08,120 Speaker 3: then why stop doing that? So whatever it takes to win, 226 00:10:08,760 --> 00:10:10,520 Speaker 3: that's what you do. And I think this team is 227 00:10:10,559 --> 00:10:13,080 Speaker 3: set up to do both. And I think that speaks 228 00:10:13,120 --> 00:10:15,440 Speaker 3: to the button gut guys up front, the offensive line. 229 00:10:15,760 --> 00:10:17,920 Speaker 3: They are more than credible in run blocking and they're 230 00:10:17,920 --> 00:10:20,800 Speaker 3: more than incredible in pass blocking. So depending on complexion 231 00:10:20,800 --> 00:10:22,960 Speaker 3: of game and who you're playing, they can morph into 232 00:10:23,000 --> 00:10:26,160 Speaker 3: whatever type of system you need to win that ball game. 233 00:10:26,200 --> 00:10:28,800 Speaker 4: I know you've seen both. Have you seen both? Top Guns? Oh? 234 00:10:28,880 --> 00:10:31,520 Speaker 2: Yes, come on now, Maverick, which one do you like better? 235 00:10:32,360 --> 00:10:36,920 Speaker 3: Wow? That's hard man the first one because it means 236 00:10:36,960 --> 00:10:39,200 Speaker 3: a lot. I almost joined the Navy after I saw 237 00:10:39,200 --> 00:10:41,280 Speaker 3: that movie, until they told me how small the cockpit was. 238 00:10:41,600 --> 00:10:43,160 Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, I got me thinking about that, and 239 00:10:43,200 --> 00:10:46,000 Speaker 4: you said, Maverick. That's the name too. We celebrated my 240 00:10:46,040 --> 00:10:48,520 Speaker 4: youngest for year old birthday last night, and once we 241 00:10:48,679 --> 00:10:50,400 Speaker 4: got him and his brother to bed and through the 242 00:10:50,440 --> 00:10:52,679 Speaker 4: sugar rush instead of watching a movie, I win, and 243 00:10:52,720 --> 00:10:57,720 Speaker 4: I watched Baltimore, Los Angeles again, and I think I 244 00:10:57,880 --> 00:11:00,360 Speaker 4: like this version of Matthew Stafford as much more than 245 00:11:00,360 --> 00:11:02,000 Speaker 4: the Super Bowl version of Matthew Stafford. 246 00:11:02,080 --> 00:11:04,800 Speaker 3: Wow, the guy that brought you the Lombardy, you like 247 00:11:04,880 --> 00:11:05,960 Speaker 3: this one better? Okay? 248 00:11:06,000 --> 00:11:08,160 Speaker 4: I like them both, Yeah, just like I like both 249 00:11:08,200 --> 00:11:11,720 Speaker 4: Tom Cruise movies. Yeah, but he's got some Maverick in him. 250 00:11:11,760 --> 00:11:14,120 Speaker 4: He always has and he always will. But with age 251 00:11:14,480 --> 00:11:18,080 Speaker 4: and with better supporting cast, potentially, and I could make 252 00:11:18,120 --> 00:11:20,520 Speaker 4: the case that other than Andrew Whitworth, this offensive line 253 00:11:20,559 --> 00:11:22,520 Speaker 4: is achieving out or above the level that the Super 254 00:11:22,520 --> 00:11:23,240 Speaker 4: Bowl team did. 255 00:11:23,360 --> 00:11:23,600 Speaker 3: Agree. 256 00:11:23,679 --> 00:11:26,640 Speaker 4: I can make the case that with DeMarcus Robinson joining 257 00:11:26,640 --> 00:11:29,800 Speaker 4: its eleven personnel group and Davis Allen emerging as the 258 00:11:29,800 --> 00:11:32,440 Speaker 4: next pass catching tight end, they've unlocked something, especially on 259 00:11:32,440 --> 00:11:34,280 Speaker 4: short fields, that they didn't have as recently as a 260 00:11:34,320 --> 00:11:37,400 Speaker 4: month ago, and especially in the running game that you 261 00:11:37,440 --> 00:11:39,960 Speaker 4: talked about that you both just hit on. Let's not 262 00:11:40,000 --> 00:11:42,680 Speaker 4: forget that the running game had essentially run out of 263 00:11:42,760 --> 00:11:45,960 Speaker 4: gas in late December and January of that Super Bowl season. 264 00:11:46,480 --> 00:11:48,640 Speaker 4: Right now, the way that they have married once again, 265 00:11:48,640 --> 00:11:52,480 Speaker 4: they're running pass game together. It is completely different from 266 00:11:52,480 --> 00:11:55,040 Speaker 4: what Sean and Jared Goff and that group did with 267 00:11:55,080 --> 00:11:57,920 Speaker 4: Todd Gurley several years ago, but it is just as 268 00:11:58,000 --> 00:12:01,000 Speaker 4: effective in terms of how they align their prestat motion, 269 00:12:01,160 --> 00:12:04,319 Speaker 4: the stress they're putting on defenses, and if this group 270 00:12:04,360 --> 00:12:06,959 Speaker 4: can get into the dance, there's a reason why outside 271 00:12:07,000 --> 00:12:10,320 Speaker 4: of this facility, the NFL cognizanti are falling in love 272 00:12:10,320 --> 00:12:10,800 Speaker 4: with the Rams. 273 00:12:10,800 --> 00:12:11,040 Speaker 3: Again. 274 00:12:12,440 --> 00:12:15,240 Speaker 1: If Matthew Stafford is Maverick, then Sean McVeigh might be 275 00:12:15,320 --> 00:12:19,360 Speaker 1: Iceman and their relationship is critical. And I know there 276 00:12:19,360 --> 00:12:24,080 Speaker 1: were some communication issues against Baltimore that were we'll say, 277 00:12:24,160 --> 00:12:27,400 Speaker 1: a big element in terms of the direction this game went. 278 00:12:27,679 --> 00:12:30,600 Speaker 3: I like the friction though, when you have great quarterback 279 00:12:30,640 --> 00:12:32,719 Speaker 3: and great play caller, great coach and there's going to 280 00:12:32,760 --> 00:12:34,960 Speaker 3: be friction. I see this, I see this, you do this. 281 00:12:35,040 --> 00:12:37,040 Speaker 3: I want to do that. There should be some and 282 00:12:37,040 --> 00:12:39,120 Speaker 3: then you'll have that happy medium come game day. But 283 00:12:39,760 --> 00:12:42,920 Speaker 3: you have to expect that. But DeMarcus Robinson, this is 284 00:12:43,000 --> 00:12:44,640 Speaker 3: I said this, and I can't remember who I said 285 00:12:44,640 --> 00:12:47,360 Speaker 3: it about. When you see his dimensions, high weight, speed, 286 00:12:47,400 --> 00:12:49,440 Speaker 3: and then see what he can do in warmups. The 287 00:12:49,440 --> 00:12:51,040 Speaker 3: guy is vertical. He can go up and get it. 288 00:12:51,080 --> 00:12:53,800 Speaker 3: He has a big catch radius. Why aren't you a 289 00:12:53,840 --> 00:12:57,200 Speaker 3: star at this point with all this ability? I mean, 290 00:12:57,360 --> 00:12:59,800 Speaker 3: we've seen receivers come and go through this team only 291 00:12:59,840 --> 00:13:01,960 Speaker 3: and like, none of them look like you. None of 292 00:13:02,000 --> 00:13:03,600 Speaker 3: them can do the things that you can do. Why 293 00:13:03,640 --> 00:13:05,760 Speaker 3: aren't you a star? Oh? Wait a minute. He just 294 00:13:05,800 --> 00:13:08,240 Speaker 3: needs the reps. He needs the opportunity, and then he 295 00:13:08,280 --> 00:13:11,520 Speaker 3: got the opportunity. You've got problems as a defense when 296 00:13:11,520 --> 00:13:14,320 Speaker 3: they put him on the field, you get measurably taller, 297 00:13:14,800 --> 00:13:16,920 Speaker 3: You really do. And you have to worry about that 298 00:13:17,000 --> 00:13:19,800 Speaker 3: as a corner, as a safety, as a defensive play caller. 299 00:13:19,800 --> 00:13:22,160 Speaker 3: How do I cover this guy up in the red zone? 300 00:13:22,760 --> 00:13:24,080 Speaker 3: You probably can't go ahead? 301 00:13:24,120 --> 00:13:26,679 Speaker 4: Let red zone say, yeah, Can I take you back 302 00:13:26,720 --> 00:13:29,760 Speaker 4: to the first drive of that game? Yeah, nine straight 303 00:13:29,840 --> 00:13:32,080 Speaker 4: running plays? What did you think their tenth was? Gonna 304 00:13:32,120 --> 00:13:34,640 Speaker 4: be run me too, slam it in there, It wasn't. 305 00:13:34,640 --> 00:13:35,600 Speaker 4: Where did they go from there? 306 00:13:36,040 --> 00:13:36,280 Speaker 3: Throw? 307 00:13:36,559 --> 00:13:40,960 Speaker 4: Throw incomplete, incomplete, incomplete, And that burned us right as 308 00:13:41,000 --> 00:13:43,080 Speaker 4: we were talking through it on the air. Maybe a 309 00:13:43,080 --> 00:13:45,400 Speaker 4: Sean McVay had a mulligan, he would do something differently, 310 00:13:45,440 --> 00:13:47,240 Speaker 4: but maybe he wouldn't, because that's the other thing that 311 00:13:47,280 --> 00:13:51,080 Speaker 4: I discovered watching that game is even though they stalled 312 00:13:51,080 --> 00:13:52,760 Speaker 4: out there and how to settle for a field goal, 313 00:13:53,080 --> 00:13:55,760 Speaker 4: they got a bunch of crucial data points in terms 314 00:13:55,800 --> 00:13:57,280 Speaker 4: of how the Ravens were going to play them the 315 00:13:57,280 --> 00:13:59,280 Speaker 4: rest of the day, especially as the field got short, 316 00:13:59,480 --> 00:14:01,199 Speaker 4: and how they do on short fields the rest of 317 00:14:01,200 --> 00:14:05,000 Speaker 4: the day. I killed them dimes everywhere, Cooper cup Davis, Allen, 318 00:14:05,000 --> 00:14:10,080 Speaker 4: DeMarcus Robinson touchdowns. So it's a forty minute puzzle solving exercise. 319 00:14:10,480 --> 00:14:13,199 Speaker 4: And I think they had the chance on that drive 320 00:14:13,280 --> 00:14:17,160 Speaker 4: to not just punch the Ravens in the mouth, but 321 00:14:17,320 --> 00:14:19,400 Speaker 4: like knock out all their teeth. And if they could 322 00:14:19,400 --> 00:14:21,960 Speaker 4: do it again, maybe they would go for that emotional victory, 323 00:14:22,040 --> 00:14:25,000 Speaker 4: not just the tactical one. But it served a purpose 324 00:14:25,000 --> 00:14:27,120 Speaker 4: and I think it's reflective of just how well the 325 00:14:27,200 --> 00:14:29,360 Speaker 4: quarterback and the head coach are working together right now. 326 00:14:29,440 --> 00:14:33,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, and don't forget and Maverick Iceman and Tom Cruise 327 00:14:33,680 --> 00:14:40,680 Speaker 1: were parts, were partners. One element the soundtrack was awesome, Okay. 328 00:14:41,840 --> 00:14:45,640 Speaker 1: One element, though we have to talk about is special teams. 329 00:14:45,840 --> 00:14:49,640 Speaker 1: And my thoughts as I kind of break apart the 330 00:14:49,680 --> 00:14:53,360 Speaker 1: special Teams unit is that are the parts greater than 331 00:14:53,720 --> 00:14:56,160 Speaker 1: the sum? And I think that could be the case here, JB. 332 00:14:56,360 --> 00:14:56,680 Speaker 2: Is it not? 333 00:14:56,960 --> 00:14:59,760 Speaker 4: Why do you say that? Because Evan Evans is bombing 334 00:14:59,760 --> 00:15:01,360 Speaker 4: punk It's all over the field. 335 00:15:01,120 --> 00:15:02,560 Speaker 2: And guy's got a heck of a leg. 336 00:15:02,640 --> 00:15:04,520 Speaker 4: I mean, Lucas Harsick just had his best day as 337 00:15:04,520 --> 00:15:07,200 Speaker 4: a RAM. There's a real case to be made. I 338 00:15:07,240 --> 00:15:09,120 Speaker 4: hope that we're telling the story in a couple of years. 339 00:15:09,120 --> 00:15:11,480 Speaker 4: If that night in Baltimore afternoon, I guess it was. 340 00:15:11,520 --> 00:15:13,200 Speaker 4: It was in the dark, in the rain. Is what 341 00:15:14,280 --> 00:15:16,640 Speaker 4: locked Lucas Haversick in as the Rams kicker for the future. 342 00:15:16,680 --> 00:15:18,720 Speaker 4: If that comes out of that loss, I think that's 343 00:15:18,720 --> 00:15:20,040 Speaker 4: a not positive. 344 00:15:20,200 --> 00:15:22,680 Speaker 3: Oh, no doubt. Wasn't that the one right before half 345 00:15:22,800 --> 00:15:26,360 Speaker 3: or he stepped into a forty plus yard one yarder. 346 00:15:26,400 --> 00:15:28,760 Speaker 3: I'm sure Harbaugh wanted to freeze him, but he had 347 00:15:28,760 --> 00:15:31,320 Speaker 3: to keep the time out. You had to because you're 348 00:15:31,360 --> 00:15:33,800 Speaker 3: going back on offense. But just having him walk off 349 00:15:33,800 --> 00:15:36,520 Speaker 3: the sideline, lineup and kick, I think was great for him. 350 00:15:36,560 --> 00:15:38,760 Speaker 3: And then he nailed it, so I went to a 351 00:15:38,760 --> 00:15:41,000 Speaker 3: whole new level. But yeah, man, teams has got to 352 00:15:41,280 --> 00:15:43,240 Speaker 3: get better. You have got to get guys on the ground. 353 00:15:43,280 --> 00:15:45,320 Speaker 3: And I get it. I saw it, I saw it 354 00:15:45,440 --> 00:15:47,440 Speaker 3: in real time. It was a block in the back 355 00:15:47,480 --> 00:15:49,440 Speaker 3: that should have been called. But even with that, you 356 00:15:49,480 --> 00:15:50,960 Speaker 3: got to get the guy on the ground on the 357 00:15:50,960 --> 00:15:53,120 Speaker 3: part return that that ended the game. You have to 358 00:15:53,240 --> 00:15:56,280 Speaker 3: get that guy on the ground, period, end of story. 359 00:15:56,360 --> 00:15:59,560 Speaker 3: Even with the block on the back inexcusable. That has 360 00:15:59,600 --> 00:16:01,960 Speaker 3: got to be fix. So it would be a shame 361 00:16:02,120 --> 00:16:04,120 Speaker 3: if your defense is playing the way it's playing and 362 00:16:04,240 --> 00:16:08,160 Speaker 3: they're playing with guts. Mike Hoyt is a guy that's 363 00:16:08,160 --> 00:16:10,560 Speaker 3: playing and you can tell he's compromised, but he refuses 364 00:16:10,560 --> 00:16:12,160 Speaker 3: to come off the field. I think he's the fourth 365 00:16:12,200 --> 00:16:14,920 Speaker 3: or fifth guy that's playing the most on defense refuses 366 00:16:14,960 --> 00:16:17,840 Speaker 3: to come off. So your defense is playing gutsy ball, 367 00:16:17,920 --> 00:16:19,920 Speaker 3: your offense is figuring it out. It would be a 368 00:16:19,920 --> 00:16:22,600 Speaker 3: shame if your special teams let you down. Weekend and 369 00:16:22,600 --> 00:16:24,760 Speaker 3: week out. That has got to be a point of 370 00:16:24,760 --> 00:16:26,720 Speaker 3: emphasis going into the Commanders. 371 00:16:26,280 --> 00:16:28,360 Speaker 2: Game four games left. How do you address it? 372 00:16:29,160 --> 00:16:31,840 Speaker 3: Well, how would I address it? I'd start throwing gatorade 373 00:16:31,840 --> 00:16:34,800 Speaker 3: buckets or here. This is how we used to address 374 00:16:34,840 --> 00:16:37,480 Speaker 3: it back in the day. We would have veterans volunteer 375 00:16:37,840 --> 00:16:40,520 Speaker 3: for special team spots, Guys that play major snaps on 376 00:16:40,560 --> 00:16:42,840 Speaker 3: offense and defense. Hey, look, I'll go be the punt returner. 377 00:16:43,160 --> 00:16:45,800 Speaker 4: Maerk Aaron played a few. He almost right walked a 378 00:16:45,840 --> 00:16:46,360 Speaker 4: guy into the. 379 00:16:46,360 --> 00:16:49,600 Speaker 3: He almost blocked it. But you would have guys volunteer 380 00:16:49,960 --> 00:16:52,880 Speaker 3: to go out and play these on these coverage units 381 00:16:53,240 --> 00:16:56,240 Speaker 3: because they don't want this to let them down. So 382 00:16:56,400 --> 00:16:59,680 Speaker 3: that's how you address it. Hopefully that sends a message 383 00:16:59,720 --> 00:17:03,960 Speaker 3: and it kind of sparks some more intensity on special teams, 384 00:17:03,960 --> 00:17:06,920 Speaker 3: but you just cannot have those type of breakdowns in 385 00:17:06,960 --> 00:17:07,400 Speaker 3: big games. 386 00:17:07,480 --> 00:17:10,000 Speaker 4: Some of this variants is what the Rams signed up for, 387 00:17:10,040 --> 00:17:12,880 Speaker 4: though in a developmental year they went searching for their 388 00:17:12,880 --> 00:17:15,639 Speaker 4: next Jake McQuaid, Greg Zerlin, and Johnny Hecker. They were 389 00:17:15,680 --> 00:17:17,840 Speaker 4: hoping to come away with a rookie trio that they 390 00:17:17,840 --> 00:17:20,760 Speaker 4: could move forward with. Now it hasn't panned out that way. 391 00:17:20,800 --> 00:17:22,480 Speaker 4: They're on what they're third kicker, they're going to have 392 00:17:22,480 --> 00:17:25,000 Speaker 4: a replacement long snapper this week. Maybe they found the 393 00:17:25,080 --> 00:17:27,920 Speaker 4: punter of the future. But also, I don't think each 394 00:17:28,040 --> 00:17:31,439 Speaker 4: unit is equally responsible, right, Like, if Havercik can pin 395 00:17:31,520 --> 00:17:34,040 Speaker 4: down the place kicking that's been really costly, hopefully that's 396 00:17:34,320 --> 00:17:37,639 Speaker 4: solved for to the extent that's possible. Kickoff kick return 397 00:17:37,760 --> 00:17:39,919 Speaker 4: is fine. You're not winning there, but you're not losing 398 00:17:39,960 --> 00:17:43,280 Speaker 4: a ton of ground either. Punt return hasn't been great, 399 00:17:43,280 --> 00:17:44,760 Speaker 4: and let's face it, there were two muffs in the 400 00:17:44,880 --> 00:17:47,560 Speaker 4: rain that could have been more devastating than they proved 401 00:17:47,600 --> 00:17:49,960 Speaker 4: to be. Punt cover is the one that we've known 402 00:17:50,000 --> 00:17:53,919 Speaker 4: since preseason one in August is an issue. It hasn't 403 00:17:53,920 --> 00:17:56,159 Speaker 4: really improved yet. It finally caught up to them. Can 404 00:17:56,280 --> 00:17:57,840 Speaker 4: it improve in the final month, we'll see. 405 00:17:58,200 --> 00:18:00,760 Speaker 3: Well, the only it can't be schematic. It's got to 406 00:18:00,800 --> 00:18:03,040 Speaker 3: be personnel. And that's the only thing. Like you said, 407 00:18:03,040 --> 00:18:06,200 Speaker 3: what's the remedy is you you will have starting safeties 408 00:18:06,200 --> 00:18:09,160 Speaker 3: and linebackers volunteering for those spots. I'll go cover, let 409 00:18:09,160 --> 00:18:11,440 Speaker 3: me go do it, you sit, I'll do it. Yeah. 410 00:18:11,359 --> 00:18:15,760 Speaker 4: Oh one other thing too though, Yes, they deserve accountability. 411 00:18:16,720 --> 00:18:19,640 Speaker 4: But before Evans punted that football and ten other guys 412 00:18:19,640 --> 00:18:21,520 Speaker 4: went down there to try and make that tackle, did 413 00:18:21,520 --> 00:18:23,480 Speaker 4: the Rams not take a delay a game penalty and 414 00:18:23,520 --> 00:18:25,560 Speaker 4: move back five? Did they not drop a ball across 415 00:18:25,600 --> 00:18:27,720 Speaker 4: the middle? You get ten, twelve to fifteen of those 416 00:18:27,800 --> 00:18:29,679 Speaker 4: yards back. Even if you still have to punt. The 417 00:18:29,760 --> 00:18:32,280 Speaker 4: trajectory and the angle of your punt is completely different. 418 00:18:32,280 --> 00:18:34,480 Speaker 4: You might get a fair catch and angle kick out 419 00:18:34,520 --> 00:18:36,959 Speaker 4: of bounds, pin them deep. That looks completely different if 420 00:18:36,960 --> 00:18:39,200 Speaker 4: you're plus five to ten to fifteen yards down. 421 00:18:39,359 --> 00:18:41,119 Speaker 3: No doubt where the defense that just stopped them, and 422 00:18:41,440 --> 00:18:42,920 Speaker 3: defensive just stopped no doubt. 423 00:18:43,760 --> 00:18:45,439 Speaker 1: It's wild to think back to the start of this 424 00:18:45,480 --> 00:18:48,280 Speaker 1: season because you mentioned the special teams. We needed a 425 00:18:48,320 --> 00:18:50,639 Speaker 1: lot of pieces on special teams. This is the largest 426 00:18:50,680 --> 00:18:53,199 Speaker 1: draft class the Rams have had in thirty years. There 427 00:18:53,200 --> 00:18:55,720 Speaker 1: were fourteen drafted, and you think about it, we had 428 00:18:55,760 --> 00:18:57,760 Speaker 1: forty names that we were all trying to memorize back 429 00:18:57,760 --> 00:19:01,400 Speaker 1: at training camp. Can you imagine how far we've now 430 00:19:01,440 --> 00:19:04,040 Speaker 1: come now in the month of December, did you think 431 00:19:04,080 --> 00:19:06,199 Speaker 1: that this is where we would be? And what a 432 00:19:06,240 --> 00:19:08,639 Speaker 1: pleasant surprise that now we're sitting at six and seven 433 00:19:08,640 --> 00:19:10,360 Speaker 1: with a potential to head off to the playoffs. 434 00:19:10,359 --> 00:19:12,000 Speaker 3: You know, look, we give Sean McVay a lot of 435 00:19:12,040 --> 00:19:15,040 Speaker 3: credit for the culture of this organization, the culture and 436 00:19:15,080 --> 00:19:19,720 Speaker 3: the direction of this franchise, and that is all warranted. 437 00:19:20,320 --> 00:19:23,439 Speaker 3: But his coaching staff, they've done a terrific job with 438 00:19:23,480 --> 00:19:26,159 Speaker 3: all these young guys, especially on defense, Rahie Morris his 439 00:19:26,240 --> 00:19:28,720 Speaker 3: staff getting all these young guys not just ready to 440 00:19:28,720 --> 00:19:32,280 Speaker 3: play on defense, they're actual starters, starters guys that are 441 00:19:32,280 --> 00:19:35,480 Speaker 3: making a contribution to this defense and on offense. Look, 442 00:19:35,800 --> 00:19:37,600 Speaker 3: I think the Rookie of the Year would be easy. 443 00:19:37,600 --> 00:19:40,200 Speaker 3: It's Pokin Nakua, right if you look at numbers, But 444 00:19:40,240 --> 00:19:41,960 Speaker 3: if you really look at what's going on, how could 445 00:19:42,000 --> 00:19:44,520 Speaker 3: you not stay It's not Steven Navila. If you don't 446 00:19:44,520 --> 00:19:47,119 Speaker 3: have that guy playing left guard as a rookie, you 447 00:19:47,119 --> 00:19:49,800 Speaker 3: don't have anything. You have nothing. You have to start 448 00:19:49,800 --> 00:19:52,440 Speaker 3: over from the beginning. So having these young guys come 449 00:19:52,480 --> 00:19:55,000 Speaker 3: in and be handed jobs and then go out and 450 00:19:55,040 --> 00:19:57,040 Speaker 3: earn them and get better every single week has been 451 00:19:57,440 --> 00:19:58,280 Speaker 3: awesome to watch. 452 00:19:58,359 --> 00:20:00,400 Speaker 4: And I think they might have just found another future starter. 453 00:20:00,440 --> 00:20:02,880 Speaker 4: And Davis Allen with a breakout performance against the Baltimore 454 00:20:02,920 --> 00:20:04,920 Speaker 4: Ravens So, don't get me wrong, I'm excited about twenty 455 00:20:05,000 --> 00:20:07,640 Speaker 4: twenty four and beyond. But I also know how many 456 00:20:07,760 --> 00:20:10,679 Speaker 4: things would have to go exactly right for the Rams 457 00:20:10,720 --> 00:20:13,359 Speaker 4: next season to be in this seat they're in right now. 458 00:20:13,920 --> 00:20:16,040 Speaker 4: And so while Matthew Stafford is playing some of his 459 00:20:16,080 --> 00:20:18,399 Speaker 4: best football with Cooper Cup on the men starting to 460 00:20:18,400 --> 00:20:20,240 Speaker 4: make guys miss again, and on and on and on, 461 00:20:20,640 --> 00:20:23,160 Speaker 4: don't let this chance slip away right now. Even though 462 00:20:23,160 --> 00:20:25,880 Speaker 4: the roster isn't perfect, even though this isn't an all 463 00:20:25,920 --> 00:20:27,560 Speaker 4: in roster like their Super Bowl one was. 464 00:20:27,680 --> 00:20:29,280 Speaker 3: I know we were going off on the throw that 465 00:20:29,320 --> 00:20:31,280 Speaker 3: he made, the Cooper Cup and the ends on Matthew Stafford, 466 00:20:31,280 --> 00:20:33,280 Speaker 3: the balloon ball shot. Did you see the route by 467 00:20:33,359 --> 00:20:37,120 Speaker 3: Cooper Cup? Oh doctor? But now that we said, what 468 00:20:37,119 --> 00:20:40,520 Speaker 3: would happen if Cooper Cup was Cooper Cup and Pooka's 469 00:20:40,560 --> 00:20:42,760 Speaker 3: on the field at the same time, Now throw in 470 00:20:42,800 --> 00:20:45,760 Speaker 3: some DeMarcus Robinson, good lord, but got issues. 471 00:20:45,960 --> 00:20:49,359 Speaker 4: I one hundred percent agree. But that's exactly the within 472 00:20:49,480 --> 00:20:51,920 Speaker 4: game adjustment that I'm talking about. I don't think they 473 00:20:52,000 --> 00:20:54,359 Speaker 4: call that play, or run that route or get that touchdown, 474 00:20:54,359 --> 00:20:56,440 Speaker 4: at least not through the air. If they hand it 475 00:20:56,480 --> 00:20:58,240 Speaker 4: off two more times and punch it in with Truman 476 00:20:58,240 --> 00:21:00,639 Speaker 4: Williams on the previous drug. Now they'd be up to 477 00:21:00,680 --> 00:21:02,720 Speaker 4: such a point that it doesn't matter. But that's what 478 00:21:02,800 --> 00:21:05,840 Speaker 4: I mean in terms of the information gathering that was 479 00:21:05,880 --> 00:21:08,639 Speaker 4: a direct result of them stalling out on their first drive, 480 00:21:08,800 --> 00:21:09,520 Speaker 4: and then the rest. 481 00:21:09,400 --> 00:21:09,680 Speaker 3: Of the way. 482 00:21:09,720 --> 00:21:11,679 Speaker 4: They score with Cooper, they score with Davis Allen, they 483 00:21:11,680 --> 00:21:12,880 Speaker 4: score with de Marcus Robinson. 484 00:21:12,960 --> 00:21:15,800 Speaker 1: I was going to reserve this conversation for our commander's preview, 485 00:21:15,840 --> 00:21:18,199 Speaker 1: but since you both have already touched on it with 486 00:21:18,240 --> 00:21:21,199 Speaker 1: the Marcus Robbinson in the mix, and of course with 487 00:21:21,240 --> 00:21:24,119 Speaker 1: what's happening with our tight ends, what should be the 488 00:21:24,280 --> 00:21:27,720 Speaker 1: expectations of the tight ends group heading into week fifteen, 489 00:21:28,800 --> 00:21:30,840 Speaker 1: because it's going to have a different look. How much 490 00:21:30,880 --> 00:21:32,879 Speaker 1: often should really be coming out of there? What should 491 00:21:32,880 --> 00:21:33,400 Speaker 1: be the expectation. 492 00:21:33,480 --> 00:21:35,240 Speaker 3: Okay, when I start to see circus catches in the 493 00:21:35,280 --> 00:21:37,119 Speaker 3: middle of the field by tight ends, Okay, Look, that 494 00:21:37,440 --> 00:21:39,399 Speaker 3: can't be a one game thing. That's got to be 495 00:21:39,760 --> 00:21:41,840 Speaker 3: an all that's got to be an every week thing. 496 00:21:41,920 --> 00:21:44,199 Speaker 3: When you can take advantage of that matchup, when you 497 00:21:44,240 --> 00:21:47,199 Speaker 3: have safeties and linebackers covering athletes, big tight ends and 498 00:21:47,240 --> 00:21:50,119 Speaker 3: they can make catches like that. Look, I remember Kellen 499 00:21:50,119 --> 00:21:52,480 Speaker 3: Winslow Senior used to say the tight end is always open, 500 00:21:52,520 --> 00:21:54,199 Speaker 3: and for the most part, he's right. And when you 501 00:21:54,200 --> 00:21:56,280 Speaker 3: have a quarterback like Matthew Stafford who can get through 502 00:21:56,280 --> 00:21:58,159 Speaker 3: his reads so quick and then come back to you, 503 00:21:58,640 --> 00:22:01,600 Speaker 3: that every route is viable. When you're making catches like 504 00:22:01,640 --> 00:22:03,880 Speaker 3: that towards the middle of the field, plus everything else 505 00:22:03,880 --> 00:22:06,800 Speaker 3: that's going on the running game is supplementing the passing game, 506 00:22:06,840 --> 00:22:09,160 Speaker 3: and you have tight ends that are making plays because 507 00:22:09,680 --> 00:22:12,399 Speaker 3: those are the guys that get open by deceit. They blocked, 508 00:22:12,400 --> 00:22:15,720 Speaker 3: they bluff they go. Yeah. Even Davis's his touchdown catch 509 00:22:15,840 --> 00:22:18,639 Speaker 3: was a bluff block. He bluffed clowney and then spun 510 00:22:18,640 --> 00:22:20,199 Speaker 3: around and caught it ran into the end zone. So 511 00:22:20,800 --> 00:22:22,480 Speaker 3: those things are always going to be open. But the 512 00:22:22,520 --> 00:22:24,919 Speaker 3: quarterback has to trust you to make those type of catches. 513 00:22:24,960 --> 00:22:26,720 Speaker 3: When you make that stuff in the middle of the field, 514 00:22:26,720 --> 00:22:27,960 Speaker 3: guess what he's going to come back to you. 515 00:22:28,040 --> 00:22:31,080 Speaker 4: The moment wasn't too big for him. His blocking blocking 516 00:22:31,160 --> 00:22:33,160 Speaker 4: needs to be as good as his bluffing blocking. All right, 517 00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:36,440 Speaker 4: His cass catching is excellent, his pass protection has been adequate, 518 00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:39,040 Speaker 4: His run blocking has room for growth. No surprise. Their 519 00:22:39,080 --> 00:22:40,879 Speaker 4: tight end is one of the most difficult positions in 520 00:22:40,920 --> 00:22:42,920 Speaker 4: the league to come in and make a difference as 521 00:22:42,920 --> 00:22:45,280 Speaker 4: a rookie. It is intriguing that at the moment, with 522 00:22:45,280 --> 00:22:48,479 Speaker 4: hopefully Tyler Higbee coming back, they might be the most 523 00:22:48,560 --> 00:22:51,600 Speaker 4: dynamic twelve personnel group they've been in some time. You're 524 00:22:51,600 --> 00:22:53,159 Speaker 4: also at the point where you're saying, which receiver you 525 00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:53,960 Speaker 4: and take off the field? 526 00:22:54,200 --> 00:22:56,840 Speaker 3: You read my mind, which one I'm not taking Pooka off. 527 00:22:57,320 --> 00:22:58,920 Speaker 3: They're not taking Cooper cup is staying out. 528 00:22:58,840 --> 00:23:01,040 Speaker 4: Spoiler earlier, they're not taking any of them. I'm just saying, 529 00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:04,679 Speaker 4: but it's a bit more of a headache for Washington 530 00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:06,920 Speaker 4: prepare for this week. And I'll say it one more time. 531 00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:10,679 Speaker 4: They did it against the best linebacker combination outside of 532 00:23:10,840 --> 00:23:14,520 Speaker 4: San Francisco, maybe the best linebacker safety combination that the 533 00:23:14,600 --> 00:23:18,040 Speaker 4: Rams will face maybe until Week eighteen. And that's I 534 00:23:18,080 --> 00:23:20,639 Speaker 4: think one of Sean mcvay's strength is manipulating that spine 535 00:23:20,640 --> 00:23:23,720 Speaker 4: of a defense. Baltimore was tremendous. They attacked it with 536 00:23:23,800 --> 00:23:28,040 Speaker 4: a rookie tied end. I think that bowes really well well. 537 00:23:28,040 --> 00:23:29,720 Speaker 1: As much as we look back, we also have to 538 00:23:29,760 --> 00:23:32,040 Speaker 1: look forward, and Sean McVay has said it multiple times 539 00:23:32,080 --> 00:23:35,320 Speaker 1: this week, we can't let Baltimore beat us twice. Now, 540 00:23:35,359 --> 00:23:38,000 Speaker 1: before we head into the commander's preview, I think it's 541 00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:41,280 Speaker 1: also important to note that's the mentality that both Sean 542 00:23:41,359 --> 00:23:44,040 Speaker 1: McVay and Matthew Stafford and the rest of this team have, 543 00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:47,920 Speaker 1: which is we have to put respect on the commanders, regardless, 544 00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:52,119 Speaker 1: regardless that they have allowed more yards as well as 545 00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:54,800 Speaker 1: more points than anyone in the NFL to this point. 546 00:23:54,800 --> 00:23:56,840 Speaker 1: But let's take a listen to what Sean McVay had 547 00:23:56,880 --> 00:23:58,560 Speaker 1: to say about this matchup. 548 00:23:58,760 --> 00:23:59,439 Speaker 3: You don't get into that. 549 00:23:59,520 --> 00:24:02,840 Speaker 5: The film is what talks to me. I think sometimes 550 00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:06,200 Speaker 5: stats can be really inflated, you know, and very misleading 551 00:24:06,359 --> 00:24:09,959 Speaker 5: based on you know how some games unfold, that is 552 00:24:10,359 --> 00:24:12,679 Speaker 5: in alignment with back and forth, or that you know 553 00:24:12,720 --> 00:24:15,359 Speaker 5: sometimes gets out of hands. So you know, you always 554 00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:17,160 Speaker 5: let the tape talk to you the most, and then 555 00:24:17,240 --> 00:24:21,359 Speaker 5: you know, those can be sometimes beneficial guidelines. But I 556 00:24:21,359 --> 00:24:23,159 Speaker 5: don't see those types of things when I flipped the 557 00:24:23,160 --> 00:24:25,120 Speaker 5: tape on of this defense. And you know the challenging 558 00:24:25,119 --> 00:24:26,600 Speaker 5: thing too, is is you look at it they're coming 559 00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:30,000 Speaker 5: off there by got good personnel, you know, and then 560 00:24:30,040 --> 00:24:32,960 Speaker 5: coach Rivera is calling it and in terms of, you know, 561 00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:35,840 Speaker 5: coordinating the defense. And there's been one game of inventory 562 00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:38,200 Speaker 5: and there's a core philosophy and he's had a lot 563 00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:40,159 Speaker 5: of success over the course of his career as a 564 00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:43,000 Speaker 5: defensive coach. It's why he's you know, why he got 565 00:24:43,040 --> 00:24:45,000 Speaker 5: to be a head coach. And so there'll be some 566 00:24:45,040 --> 00:24:46,879 Speaker 5: different things that that they'll have that we have to 567 00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:49,760 Speaker 5: be prepared for. And so I don't I don't put 568 00:24:49,760 --> 00:24:51,320 Speaker 5: too much merit into that kind of stuff. 569 00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:54,600 Speaker 1: He said, let the tape talk. The question is what 570 00:24:54,640 --> 00:24:55,760 Speaker 1: did the tape tell you. 571 00:24:56,720 --> 00:24:59,600 Speaker 3: From the commanders? Yeah, you know, look, if you were 572 00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:02,119 Speaker 3: a command and Homer, he could show you ten or 573 00:25:02,119 --> 00:25:04,640 Speaker 3: twelve plays that would flip games, that would change those 574 00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:07,080 Speaker 3: two blowouts they've had in a row, that could have 575 00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:10,280 Speaker 3: turned the tide versus Miami, turned the tide versus Dallas. 576 00:25:10,280 --> 00:25:13,000 Speaker 3: But from an outsider looking in, you think this team 577 00:25:13,080 --> 00:25:16,000 Speaker 3: is not very good and they're playing for a draft spot. 578 00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:18,359 Speaker 3: But look, they have some pretty good pieces. I know 579 00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:21,960 Speaker 3: they're giving up the world on defense, but they can 580 00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:24,080 Speaker 3: still get after you. They have a pretty good interior, 581 00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:26,280 Speaker 3: they really do. And I like the kid Barton, the 582 00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:31,119 Speaker 3: inside linebacker. He reminds me of kind of like a 583 00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:33,800 Speaker 3: Bobby Wagner type. If you don't get a pad on him, 584 00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:37,120 Speaker 3: he's going to make every single play in the run game. 585 00:25:37,359 --> 00:25:39,320 Speaker 3: He's just that smart. He's just that dial. Then he 586 00:25:39,359 --> 00:25:41,280 Speaker 3: gets off block. So they have some pretty good pieces. 587 00:25:41,320 --> 00:25:45,159 Speaker 3: And on offense, Sam Howell is a problem. He really is. 588 00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:47,159 Speaker 3: The guy can move around, he really can, and he 589 00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:50,600 Speaker 3: throws the football really really real. And Terry McLaurin their receiver, 590 00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:54,040 Speaker 3: is a problem. So if you're not playing up to 591 00:25:54,119 --> 00:25:56,960 Speaker 3: par and you let them hang around, they're a football 592 00:25:56,960 --> 00:25:58,800 Speaker 3: team that can give you some serious problems. 593 00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:01,760 Speaker 4: Are you sure the tape doesn't say that they're going 594 00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:04,240 Speaker 4: to throw for four hundred yards in three touchdowns and 595 00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:06,520 Speaker 4: get a pick six on defense and Aaron Donald's going 596 00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:07,320 Speaker 4: to have a hat trick. 597 00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:08,280 Speaker 3: No, not sure. 598 00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:11,800 Speaker 4: Yeah, that's what the film's telling me. 599 00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:13,439 Speaker 3: That's what it's go for it, Yeah, come on. 600 00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:16,880 Speaker 4: Yeah, but that also makes me really uneasy. Yeah, because 601 00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:20,520 Speaker 4: I think the human element, like those gentlemen just pointed out, 602 00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:23,280 Speaker 4: is the biggest thing the Rams are playing against until 603 00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:24,920 Speaker 4: they get to San Francisco. I don't think the Rams 604 00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:27,080 Speaker 4: are playing the Commanders or the Saints or the Giants. 605 00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:29,600 Speaker 4: I think the Rams are playing the Rams. I think 606 00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:31,680 Speaker 4: their best football is emerging. I think it's out there. 607 00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:33,679 Speaker 4: And oh, by the way, here comes another opponent. If 608 00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:36,440 Speaker 4: the Commanders have anything going for them, they're the fourth 609 00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:38,840 Speaker 4: opponent the Rams will play this season coming off of bye. 610 00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:43,439 Speaker 4: Pittsburgh got them, Dallas gotam Baltimore got them. Here's another. 611 00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:45,720 Speaker 4: And I don't like that, and I don't think it's fair, 612 00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:47,399 Speaker 4: and I wish the league would step in and do 613 00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:49,359 Speaker 4: something about it. You know what, I want the league 614 00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:51,960 Speaker 4: to do what I want the lead. I want the 615 00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:53,600 Speaker 4: NFL to make the Rams do it a fifth time 616 00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:54,480 Speaker 4: this season. 617 00:26:55,040 --> 00:26:57,360 Speaker 3: Come off a bye. I want in the playoffs. 618 00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:00,840 Speaker 4: Want I want the league to make the Rams play 619 00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:03,320 Speaker 4: another team coming off of its by when they face 620 00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:03,960 Speaker 4: the one seed. 621 00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:07,639 Speaker 3: He just turns it good time. But it's weird though, 622 00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:12,080 Speaker 3: human nature, right. I mean, remember, after before we started 623 00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:15,680 Speaker 3: last week, Sean mcvagh mentioned Baltimore in his postgame press 624 00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:19,840 Speaker 3: conference versus Cleveland and then twice on The Coaches Show 625 00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:23,240 Speaker 3: before we even asked him about Baltimore. So you have 626 00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:26,040 Speaker 3: the ultimate respect for the Ravens because of how good 627 00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:29,119 Speaker 3: they are. I hope you show the commanders that same 628 00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:33,280 Speaker 3: respect and treat them as if they're Baltimore, because if 629 00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:35,359 Speaker 3: you walk into that football game, if you ease into 630 00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:37,439 Speaker 3: a street fight, like I said, you'll be in the 631 00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:40,199 Speaker 3: middle of the fourth down three and wondering how this happened. 632 00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:41,440 Speaker 3: This team is supposed to be bad. 633 00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:44,760 Speaker 4: Good bounce back opportunity for the pass rushing for the secondary, right, 634 00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:47,199 Speaker 4: I think the group they were going up against in 635 00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:50,960 Speaker 4: Baltimore was challenging, The conditions were challenging. Both offenses got 636 00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:53,600 Speaker 4: theirs through the air. No one's gonna mistake Sam how 637 00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:57,320 Speaker 4: for Lamar Jackson, but he is prolific. Maybe not efficient, 638 00:27:57,359 --> 00:27:59,280 Speaker 4: but he's put up some big numbers and so I'm 639 00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:01,000 Speaker 4: anxious to see they can get to him with their 640 00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:03,000 Speaker 4: pass rush and if the back end of the Rams defense, 641 00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:05,600 Speaker 4: hopefully with Quinton Lake back to complete the puzzle, gets 642 00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:07,560 Speaker 4: back to more what they were doing since their bye week. 643 00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:10,440 Speaker 1: Well, and to your point, Howell has been pretty decent, 644 00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:12,960 Speaker 1: especially in the red zone. He's found a few rushing 645 00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:15,400 Speaker 1: touchdowns of his own. How do you protect against him? 646 00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:18,480 Speaker 3: It's good to be mobile as a quarterback in the 647 00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:20,960 Speaker 3: National Football like this seems to be where everybody's trending 648 00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:22,560 Speaker 3: now if you can create things off. 649 00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:24,800 Speaker 4: Sketchy for Cleveland Browns except for the Browns. 650 00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:27,840 Speaker 3: But I mean, look, you just faced the top mobile 651 00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:31,080 Speaker 3: quarterback possibly of all time, in Lamar Jackson, and he 652 00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:34,400 Speaker 3: had to be special to beat you. So look, wreck 653 00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:37,160 Speaker 3: with a rush, with reckless abandon You had to rush 654 00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:39,360 Speaker 3: with power before to keep Lamar Jackson in the pocket. 655 00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:42,160 Speaker 3: You're worried about him scrambling, this is different, pen yours. 656 00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:44,920 Speaker 3: Back light your hair on fire and get loose. Look 657 00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:47,000 Speaker 3: if he gets out and scrambles, so be it. We'll 658 00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:50,160 Speaker 3: live with that. But look, this is not Lamar Jackson. 659 00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:51,719 Speaker 3: This is a guy you can get after. So I 660 00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:54,400 Speaker 3: hope how many sacks is Aaron sitting on right now? 661 00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:55,440 Speaker 2: Fifty eight? 662 00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:58,560 Speaker 3: No? No, I mean like for this season, for this season, 663 00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:02,080 Speaker 3: half doesn't for half? Yeah, this could be like the 664 00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:05,840 Speaker 3: lowest sack output of his career. That's got to change 665 00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:09,360 Speaker 3: unless he has a big, big game, and it could 666 00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:10,200 Speaker 3: start this weekend. 667 00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:13,880 Speaker 1: One of my favorite nuggets from the NFL Research News 668 00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:16,400 Speaker 1: and Notes from this week was a theme and it 669 00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:20,080 Speaker 1: was called can the Commanders protect Sam Howell from Aaron Donald, 670 00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:22,160 Speaker 1: And it made me chuckle because I'm sitting there going 671 00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:24,160 Speaker 1: this is the most stack quarterback in the NFL in 672 00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:26,560 Speaker 1: twenty twenty three. But I think the better question you 673 00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:29,840 Speaker 1: have to ask is can anyone protect a quarterback from 674 00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:30,920 Speaker 1: Aaron Donald? 675 00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:32,440 Speaker 2: You saw what. 676 00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:34,600 Speaker 1: The Baltimore Ravens had to do against him. He was 677 00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:38,280 Speaker 1: triple team. There was a lot of force going up 678 00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:41,440 Speaker 1: against him, nearly a thousand pounds. So guys, I got 679 00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:43,040 Speaker 1: to asked the question, what do you think is the 680 00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:46,360 Speaker 1: equivalent to one thousand pounds because that's what he's continually 681 00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:47,760 Speaker 1: having to face game in a game out. 682 00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:49,680 Speaker 3: What did you call it again? The white gloves with 683 00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:51,400 Speaker 3: the bear hug, the holding hole? 684 00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:52,440 Speaker 4: Oh yeah, do it again? 685 00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:53,080 Speaker 3: That was great. 686 00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:55,920 Speaker 4: My point was, I know they're not going to call 687 00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:58,160 Speaker 4: every holding penalty on Aeron, Yeah, but when there are 688 00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:02,080 Speaker 4: two white hands on his lats, one on each nine 689 00:30:02,120 --> 00:30:04,320 Speaker 4: of ninety nine that week. 690 00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:04,680 Speaker 3: Hall, that would be a hole. 691 00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:08,320 Speaker 4: Yes, I will say though the Rams rushed three dropped 692 00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:10,760 Speaker 4: out like they played coverage, unlike what you're saying here 693 00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:12,680 Speaker 4: where they're sending a lot of pressure at Sam. How 694 00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:15,520 Speaker 4: potentially why not? They were trying to make Lamar beat 695 00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:18,120 Speaker 4: beat them with his arm correct, and so a lot 696 00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:20,640 Speaker 4: of those double triple teams are just sheer math. If 697 00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:22,800 Speaker 4: you have five or six in protection and Aaron's only 698 00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:26,440 Speaker 4: one of three coming, so it goes My question is 699 00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:29,360 Speaker 4: can the commander stop Troy Reader? Because remember what Troy 700 00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:30,640 Speaker 4: Reader did the commander I. 701 00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:33,440 Speaker 3: Do remember, Oh my god, the Reader game. He was 702 00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:36,280 Speaker 3: berd Yeah. 703 00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:37,640 Speaker 4: But that wasn't Cameron's question. What was Cameron's question? 704 00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:39,680 Speaker 3: How do you keep how do you keep Aaron Donald 705 00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:40,840 Speaker 3: off the quarterback? 706 00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:44,760 Speaker 1: I don't know you can a thousand pounds? 707 00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:46,000 Speaker 3: What's the what do you mean? 708 00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:48,120 Speaker 2: What you got any comparisons? Because I have a few 709 00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:49,959 Speaker 2: for you go ahead on a regular basis. 710 00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:52,560 Speaker 1: If he's going up against a thousand pounds and any 711 00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:55,800 Speaker 1: sort of game that's the equivalent of let's just say, 712 00:30:56,040 --> 00:30:59,640 Speaker 1: fighting off a moose, or seven kegs of beer, or 713 00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:03,200 Speaker 1: to keep a holiday spirit three reindeer, just saying, oh, 714 00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:04,240 Speaker 1: it's a pretty funny. 715 00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:05,520 Speaker 4: Visual holiday calorie intake. 716 00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:06,600 Speaker 3: I like it. 717 00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:09,240 Speaker 4: And Ethan Evans squad. 718 00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:12,080 Speaker 3: Oh my god, that's ridiculous. I tell people that on 719 00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:14,360 Speaker 3: the sidelines, I'm like, you know, that guy's our strongest guy, 720 00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:16,480 Speaker 3: the punter. They don't believe me. I show him video. 721 00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:18,640 Speaker 3: This is him. He's squatting in five eighty five. That's 722 00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:20,920 Speaker 3: really that's the punter. That's not Aaron Donald. That's the 723 00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:23,160 Speaker 3: punter that's doing it. But look, I don't think there 724 00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:26,440 Speaker 3: is a way to stop Aaron Donald. There isn't. There 725 00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:29,520 Speaker 3: isn't the guy drafted or sign in free agency that 726 00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:32,080 Speaker 3: could stop him. He is just that good. He is special. 727 00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:34,440 Speaker 3: Same with Michael Parsons, same with a lot of other guys. 728 00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:36,800 Speaker 3: But there is no stopping him. And he's so versatile. 729 00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:38,719 Speaker 3: He's not going to line up in just one spot. 730 00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:41,760 Speaker 3: That's the issue. And when he starts to move around. 731 00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:45,080 Speaker 3: You talk about the offense probing for information. When they 732 00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:47,600 Speaker 3: move him around, you're going to find out exactly what 733 00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:50,840 Speaker 3: their what their protection plan is, by who's pointing at 734 00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:52,880 Speaker 3: him and who's coming to get him. So that stuff 735 00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:55,440 Speaker 3: that Rahie Morris can use to get Blitzer's home. So 736 00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:59,440 Speaker 3: there is no stopping Aaron Donald. It really isn't. 737 00:31:59,880 --> 00:32:02,920 Speaker 1: Right, guys, it's that time keys to victory that has 738 00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:04,800 Speaker 1: to happen. To pick up the win, get back to 739 00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:06,720 Speaker 1: five hundred against the commanders. 740 00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:07,760 Speaker 4: I'll go first. 741 00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:10,320 Speaker 3: Don't give up a punt return for touchdown. How about that? 742 00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:11,760 Speaker 3: Is that a good one? 743 00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:13,080 Speaker 4: That's a fair one? 744 00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:14,360 Speaker 3: Right? Yeah? How about that one? 745 00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:15,280 Speaker 2: Very specific? 746 00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:18,040 Speaker 3: Let's start there. Look, I think this is a game 747 00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:22,400 Speaker 3: that you can win without Matthew Stafford having to be special, 748 00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:25,640 Speaker 3: and this is about the long haul. So I'm thinking 749 00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:29,760 Speaker 3: Kyron Williams running the football and setting a new season 750 00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:32,360 Speaker 3: high for carries. He's got what twenty five is his 751 00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:35,479 Speaker 3: career high. You're playing it to market absolutely now. If 752 00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:37,840 Speaker 3: he goes over twenty six, twenty seven, twenty eight, I 753 00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:41,000 Speaker 3: think you should be able to control clock, beat the 754 00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:44,400 Speaker 3: commanders with that, and have Matthew Stafford play the co 755 00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:47,240 Speaker 3: star role and let Kyron Williams be the hero. What 756 00:32:47,320 --> 00:32:47,760 Speaker 3: do you think? 757 00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:50,040 Speaker 4: I think you should probably give Royce Freeman some of 758 00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:52,280 Speaker 4: those carries if you're in a fortunate enough position to 759 00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:54,000 Speaker 4: be able to run at twenty five to thirty times 760 00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:56,120 Speaker 4: on Sunday. But I wish that for him and for 761 00:32:56,160 --> 00:32:59,280 Speaker 4: the Rams. I'm going to go with communication being my 762 00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:00,960 Speaker 4: key to this week, and I mean that in a 763 00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:06,120 Speaker 4: couple of ways. It's an ethos of this facility of 764 00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:08,080 Speaker 4: this coaching staff. If I had a dollar for every 765 00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:10,720 Speaker 4: time I've heard clear, open and honest communication come out 766 00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:13,600 Speaker 4: of Sean mcvay's mouth. We'd be spending the holidays in 767 00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:17,920 Speaker 4: the Cayman Islands as that was not the case in Baltimore. 768 00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:21,200 Speaker 4: They broke down on offense and defense at critical junctures 769 00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:23,920 Speaker 4: with their communication in coveraging the back end, on defense 770 00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:28,280 Speaker 4: from sideline to headset, at quarterback, at the line of scrimmage, 771 00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:30,280 Speaker 4: with their silent count like, that's why they had to 772 00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:32,040 Speaker 4: burn a time out, That's why they took the delay 773 00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:35,320 Speaker 4: of game. I was stunned because these are situational masters 774 00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:37,560 Speaker 4: by reputation, and for them to get to where they're 775 00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:40,160 Speaker 4: trying to go, they have to re establish that. I 776 00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:42,560 Speaker 4: also mean the way they're playing right now on offense, 777 00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:45,800 Speaker 4: they stress the opposing defense. They really test the opposing 778 00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:48,720 Speaker 4: defense's communication. I think that's why they're killing opponents right 779 00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:52,280 Speaker 4: now on offense is because how do you solve for 780 00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:55,480 Speaker 4: a stack that has Davis, Allen, Cooper, Cup and Pookinakua. 781 00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:57,959 Speaker 3: I don't think you have enough. Yeah, I don't think 782 00:33:58,000 --> 00:33:59,760 Speaker 3: you have enough on the field, no doubt. 783 00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:01,760 Speaker 4: So good luck to the opponents the rest of the 784 00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:05,120 Speaker 4: way and for the Rams get back to very clear communication, 785 00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:07,240 Speaker 4: and I think with the home crowd and in these 786 00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:08,640 Speaker 4: next two games, they have a chance to do that. 787 00:34:08,680 --> 00:34:11,040 Speaker 3: There is one hilarious race I have to bring up 788 00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:15,040 Speaker 3: is when the playcock gets low and Matthew Stafford still 789 00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:17,759 Speaker 3: hasn't snapped it, and when Sean Navay starts to run 790 00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:20,520 Speaker 3: towards the official to call time out, can he snap 791 00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:22,520 Speaker 3: it before he gets here. It's so much fun to 792 00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:23,960 Speaker 3: watch that happen. Yeah, it's good stuff. 793 00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:26,480 Speaker 4: And yet if you didn't see it on Sunday, that 794 00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:27,080 Speaker 4: would be a good thing. 795 00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:28,920 Speaker 3: That'd be a great thing, right, that is true. Waste 796 00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:31,680 Speaker 3: that forty yards print? Go ahead, no doubt. 797 00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:35,400 Speaker 1: My key for this matchup is containing fire. Not an 798 00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:38,120 Speaker 1: easy task, but I think it is fitting considering the 799 00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:41,040 Speaker 1: conversations that have been going on around this team, and 800 00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:43,120 Speaker 1: I think the fire that they have felt since the 801 00:34:43,200 --> 00:34:47,000 Speaker 1: loss against Baltimore is a beautiful thing. It can fuel 802 00:34:47,080 --> 00:34:50,719 Speaker 1: you better than just about anything. However, I think there 803 00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:55,040 Speaker 1: still needs to be a contained, disciplined approach and very pointed. 804 00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:57,719 Speaker 1: So instance, you want to have the ball run. Well, 805 00:34:57,760 --> 00:34:59,640 Speaker 1: I'm the opposite because I'm looking at the secondary of 806 00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:01,480 Speaker 1: the command and I'm thinking there is a lot of 807 00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:04,920 Speaker 1: room to take advantage throwing the ball downfield potentially to 808 00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:07,360 Speaker 1: three of those receivers like we've mentioned, So I'm thinking 809 00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:10,240 Speaker 1: containing the fire staying disciplined is going to be critical, 810 00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:12,480 Speaker 1: especially when you got a team like Commanders coming in 811 00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:13,880 Speaker 1: who really have nothing to lose. 812 00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:16,080 Speaker 4: By discolately mean like check what the line'sman to make sure. 813 00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:17,439 Speaker 2: You're not toy line? 814 00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:20,680 Speaker 3: Wow? How hard? How hard is that? Right? 815 00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:23,960 Speaker 4: As a defensive guy, you had to relish checking the 816 00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:26,480 Speaker 4: ball right, you're right there? Did you ever get a 817 00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:28,120 Speaker 4: warning for lining up in the newsral zone? 818 00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:31,640 Speaker 3: You get one warning? Look, next time I got a flag, 819 00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:33,640 Speaker 3: you move back, and then if you don't heat it 820 00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:36,040 Speaker 3: get you get banged a few times. But come on, dude, 821 00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:37,680 Speaker 3: look down in there. The ball's right there. Come on, 822 00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:39,040 Speaker 3: I'm sorry, never mind, I. 823 00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:40,400 Speaker 1: Think that's still going to be up for debate for 824 00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:43,520 Speaker 1: the rest of the way. 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