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Speaker 1: Colin Coward Podcast. Another great week. My buddy Dave Wannstadt,

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Speaker 1: who won a Super Bowl with Dallas, joins me to

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Speaker 1: discuss Jerry Jones headline making comments and his regrets about

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Speaker 1: to the Bucks winning a championship, and we discuss why

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Speaker 1: not growing up in America has helped you on US

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Speaker 1: plus Nick Wright on why Jannis now has to be

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Speaker 1: considered the best player in the league. But first my

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Speaker 1: top takes of the week. You know, as I watched

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Speaker 1: the Bucks pick up their first championship since nineteen seventy one,

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Speaker 1: you know a lot of people the NBA's got this

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Speaker 1: reputation full of egos, brash stars, dynasties, but the image

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Speaker 1: is a lot different in all of basketball than reality.

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Speaker 1: You know, certain blogs have a political ideology they hate

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Speaker 1: the NBA. It feeds into their clicks. But the truth is,

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Speaker 1: for every star driven team there always is an answer

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Speaker 1: on the built from within side. Bucks are now champs,

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Speaker 1: Sons were in the finals, Kawai's Raptors. You know the

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Speaker 1: teams that blocked Lebron from titles. The Warriors overwhelmingly drafted

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Speaker 1: The MAVs with Dirk a la Johan Rockets won two titles,

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Speaker 1: and the mid nineties, when mj wasn't there, the Showtime

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Speaker 1: Lakers went up against the Celtics. Remember Magic drafted by

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Speaker 1: the Lakers. Start looking at all these teams. There is

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Speaker 1: this sense that basketball in this country is so much

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Speaker 1: about recruiting the big stars. Kentucky John Calipari has been

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Speaker 1: there what twelve years? He has one championship. Do you

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Speaker 1: know the winningest team in the last five years in

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Speaker 1: college basketball is Villanova. They've won eighty four percent of

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Speaker 1: their games. They live on three star recruits. In the

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Speaker 1: past eight years, Gonzaga hasn't had a season where they've

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Speaker 1: won fewer than twenty eight regular season games. Their number

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Speaker 1: two college basketball in the NBA, Yes, Kentucky Duke Kansas

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Speaker 1: the home of five stars. They win their titles too.

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Speaker 1: But right now Gonzaga and Villanova the two winningest teams

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Speaker 1: in the NBA, the Bucks, the Raptors, the MAVs. It

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Speaker 1: all works out. When you look at what Milwaukee has done.

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Speaker 1: There is every reason to believe this is going to

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Speaker 1: become the Spurs North, a dominant, humble, grateful Big Popovic's

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Speaker 1: system now a disciple and Budenholzer. You tell me in

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Speaker 1: the East, who's in the way. Celtics are starting to rebuild.

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Speaker 1: Philadelphia is breaking up their two stars. Toronto rebuild, Miami rebuild. Too.

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Speaker 1: Much of the NBA's reputation is built on people who

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Speaker 1: don't like the league and it helps their business to

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Speaker 1: bash it. Listen, there's an old saying ignorance is bliss.

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Speaker 1: It is unless your ignorance becomes my problem. Unvaccinated Americans

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Speaker 1: are now vaccinated people's problem, my entire life. Seventy five

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Speaker 1: percent of the country has had to pull twenty five

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Speaker 1: whether it's gay marriage, seat belts, race relations, marijuana laws.

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Speaker 1: There's just a quarter of this country, sometimes up to

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Speaker 1: about a third that is less freethinking, imbedded on the

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Speaker 1: wrong side of an issue. Rigid, stubborn, and sometimes unfortunately

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Speaker 1: ignorant seat belts. People argued for years that they were

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Speaker 1: an infringement on personal freedoms. Seriously, you don't have a

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Speaker 1: right not to wear a seatbelt. That's why cars, when

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Speaker 1: it on. My entire life, this has been America. Seventy

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Speaker 1: We're all part of a society. We have rules and

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Speaker 1: protect each other. Red lights, stop sign, speed limits. When

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Speaker 1: you ignore those, you put people in danger. The NFL

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Speaker 1: is now going to force teams to forfeit a game

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Speaker 1: it affects not just the ignorant. You know, you could

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Speaker 1: argue Jannis is the perfect antidote to this era of

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Speaker 1: is why the Milwaukee Bucks are important. We've had a

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Speaker 1: run now of superstars collectively joining already good teams. Milwaukee

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Speaker 1: We get so caught up on analytics. Yes, when Kevin

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Speaker 1: and they got And when I watched Janis, I talked

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Speaker 1: to Eddie Johnson, who played in the NBA forever. You know,

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Speaker 1: a great guy, and I asked him a couple days ago,

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Speaker 1: I said, what will you guys draft in the upcoming draft?

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Speaker 1: And he didn't pause. He goes size. He goes, we're small, Yannis,

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Speaker 1: and this is just five and six years of a

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Speaker 1: weight room. This is five and six years of NBA nutrition.

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Speaker 1: He has pushed DeAndre eight and around the floor. He

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Speaker 1: is so I don't think fans understand this. When Yannis

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Speaker 1: spins and lean six feet into the basket, DeAndre Ayton

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00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:06,240
Speaker 1: is powerless. Forget the other guys on the floor. Nobody

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00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:09,120
Speaker 1: else is even close. Michail Bridges, it looks like it's Valet.

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Speaker 1: And I just think when I watched Jannis, and this

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Speaker 1: is why generally men beat younger men in the playoffs.

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Speaker 1: Outside of Jay Crowder, they don't have a bullybody on

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Speaker 1: that roster. Phoenix is tiny. They're tiny. They don't like

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Speaker 1: to get foul. They don't shoot free throws, they don't

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Speaker 1: go to the rim. They listen. They are a finesse

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Speaker 1: jump shooting team that is relying on a third year

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Speaker 1: player in Ayton to play all of their center minutes

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Speaker 1: because they don't have a and I know Sarge got hurt.

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Speaker 1: It's not like Sarge is a huge difference maker. They

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Speaker 1: don't have backup center. So yeah, of course they have

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Speaker 1: to go get a center, like as much as a

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00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:52,280
Speaker 1: goofball as he can be at times. You know who

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Speaker 1: would have been super valuable for this Sun Steam Dwight Howard.

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Speaker 1: Like Dwight Howard his role for Philly, his role for

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Speaker 1: LA last year, give us twelve minutes of toughness, rebounding

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Speaker 1: energy off the bench. And Milwaukee in Game five played

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Speaker 1: a lineup they've never played before. It was Brooke Lopez

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Speaker 1: who's seven feet tall, Bobby Portis who's six nine, plus

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00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:20,560
Speaker 1: Jannis who's close to a seven footer, Middleton and one

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Speaker 1: Oh PJ Tucker. PJ Tucker, you got you don't have

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Speaker 1: a guard on the line of except for Middleton, and

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Speaker 1: by the way, Milwaukee doubled down on toughness by going

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Speaker 1: and getting PJ Tucker. Pja Tucker doesn't really have a

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Speaker 1: tangible basketball skill. You watch him. You watch him, he

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00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:39,320
Speaker 1: goes up for a layup, Yannis knows it's gonna miss.

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Speaker 1: He goes and done it like so theyre's like, no,

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Speaker 1: we are going to try to be tougher than you,

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Speaker 1: stronger than you, more physical than you, and mentally wise. Colin,

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Speaker 1: I think that Brooklyn series was the best thing that

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Speaker 1: could have ever happened to him, To be on the

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Speaker 1: brink that many times and through it. I just think

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Speaker 1: you're never gonna be You think they're gonna be rattled

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Speaker 1: being down two Old to Phoenix, when they were down

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Speaker 1: two Old and three two and game seven on the

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Speaker 1: road to Brooklyn. You know, I think I'm You know

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Speaker 1: a lot of times domestic players have grown up with

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Speaker 1: your ESPNS and your talk radios and your columnists, and

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00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:19,080
Speaker 1: they're they're affected by it. I mean, Adam Silver says

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Speaker 1: my players are miserable. Jannist appears to be unaffected. And

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Speaker 1: it's not just because Milwaukee's a small media market. He's

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Speaker 1: really very comfortable in the moment, in his own space.

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00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:32,720
Speaker 1: He's obviously got a very good, you know, family and

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00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:36,160
Speaker 1: social circle. He's very comfortable in his own skin, and

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Speaker 1: he's really unaffected by it. I don't even think the

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Speaker 1: counting by the fans and the championship through the playoffs matters.

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Speaker 1: You know. I don't think he's a great free throw shooter.

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00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:46,360
Speaker 1: I don't believe those fans are hindering or helping him.

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Speaker 1: I just think there is a I had a friend

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Speaker 1: who was a great golfer and he played at UCLA

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00:29:55,080 --> 00:29:57,880
Speaker 1: and he never made the tour. And there was a

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Speaker 1: guy I won't mention his name, okay, Bob, Bob may was.

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Speaker 1: He made the tour and he wons some tournaments, and

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Speaker 1: my friend always said about him. He goes, Bob was

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Speaker 1: just unaffected by noise. Bob just love golf. That's all

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Speaker 1: he cared about. He was great at it. Unaffected. And

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00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:19,640
Speaker 1: he goes, I was an overthinker. I mean I would be.

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Speaker 1: I couldn't sleep if I played poorly on the eighteenth hole.

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Speaker 1: And he goes, it's just my personality. And he said,

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Speaker 1: you know, and my friend was talking about he goes

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Speaker 1: a lot of the great golfers have a short memory,

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Speaker 1: they forget a bad shot, and Janis has a really

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Speaker 1: this is a real skill. He's unaffected by noise, he's

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Speaker 1: unaffected by pressure, he's unaffected by expectations. He's it's a

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00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:51,400
Speaker 1: real gift. It's a real gift. He just half to half,

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00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:55,000
Speaker 1: quarter to quarter, free throw to free throw. It doesn't matter. Now.

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Speaker 1: I love Lebron, but I've seen Lebron have a bad

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00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:03,800
Speaker 1: shooting quarter and it affect him for another game. And

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00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:07,080
Speaker 1: like that. You you see guys, some guys, you can

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Speaker 1: see the wheels turning, you can see them thinking, and

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Speaker 1: you can I don't think Jannis misses free throws because

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00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:16,680
Speaker 1: he's overthinking it. I think he misses free throws because

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00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:20,560
Speaker 1: he's a terrible free throw shooter, because his form is ridiculous.

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Speaker 1: His whole little process is like is obviously takes too long.

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Speaker 1: Like But I don't think it's in his head. I don't.

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Speaker 1: I don't think it was in Shack's head either. I

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00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:32,120
Speaker 1: think Shack was just bad at it, you know. With Lebron,

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Speaker 1: I do think at times it gets in his head.

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00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:36,120
Speaker 1: Like Lebron, I think it's the one time on the

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Speaker 1: court where he's stopping and thinking and going through the

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Speaker 1: whole thing. I also do wonder how much of this,

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Speaker 1: you know, people talked about and I know Thanasis was

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00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:53,760
Speaker 1: out with elth and safety protocols for game five, and

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00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:56,880
Speaker 1: when you know Thanasis is on the Bucks coast, is

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00:31:56,960 --> 00:31:59,520
Speaker 1: his younger brother is on the Lakers, you know, and

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00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:02,000
Speaker 1: we were like, oh, the Lakers doing this to you know,

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Speaker 1: maybe sign Yannis one day, which I'm sure is probably

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Speaker 1: why they were, and the Bucks are doing it as

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00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:09,760
Speaker 1: a favorite of Yannis, you know, have his older brother

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Speaker 1: on there. I wonder, Colin, how much of Jannis seemingly

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Speaker 1: staying this authentic is because his big brothers there. So

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Speaker 1: if you like, it's just logical that if your big

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Speaker 1: brother who was selling DVDs on the streets of Greece

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Speaker 1: with you, who has been through the struggle, who has

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Speaker 1: seen you at your lowest points and see all of this,

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Speaker 1: and who also recognizes what a long shot this all was,

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Speaker 1: and not your little brother, your big brother, right, if

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Speaker 1: he sees you starting to all of a sudden get

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Speaker 1: outside of yourself, I think he has the ability to

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Speaker 1: check him, not just like as a big brother, but

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Speaker 1: they're also teammates, so It's like team mates have the

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Speaker 1: ability to check each other, but this is your brother,

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Speaker 1: who's your big brother. So I think I do. Whether

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Speaker 1: they were thinking this or not, or whether Yannis needed

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Speaker 1: this or not, I do think it is incredibly valuable

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00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:18,720
Speaker 1: to Yannis that fanasis is there. I think that you know.

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Speaker 1: And it's interesting because early in these games, I know

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Speaker 1: Jannis has said he has left games three and four

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Speaker 1: to go to the bathroom. I don't believe that at all.

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Speaker 1: I think he's I don't want not a medical diagnosis,

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00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:33,120
Speaker 1: but hyperventilating. I think he's breathing too hard. I think

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00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:37,200
Speaker 1: he's too amped up. The Nazis is calming Yannis down.

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00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:40,600
Speaker 1: The Nazi is like doing breathing stuff with Yannis. I

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Speaker 1: think having him there has been a huge part of

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Speaker 1: Yannis staying this seemingly authentic, because I think otherwise his

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Speaker 1: brother might call him out on it, and he knows it.

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