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Speaker 2: I wouldn't know if I classify it quite that way,

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Speaker 1: This year is the award winning Morning Combat. You may

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Speaker 1: Mnich and Long Island Luke on the Ones and twos?

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Speaker 1: But talk about a curveball in the sport of combat sports.

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Speaker 1: Oh wow, thank you very much. Not bad for bread damage.

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Speaker 2: the fans. I don't really see the downside, especially MVP

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it kind of took that that that contentious decision

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Speaker 1: wouldn't seem worth it. But if if there's a long

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Speaker 1: All Right, all right, there you go. You're not here

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Speaker 1: Saturday's UFC two seventy five pay per view card. The

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Speaker 1: All right, let's stop. Let's start with the top of

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Speaker 1: is Yeri Prahatska Luke. We set the stage nicely if

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Speaker 1: two hundred, Prohotska, according to Caesars, is your current betting favorite,

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Speaker 2: So I think this really all just comes down to

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Speaker 1: Huh if he goes by that nickname, his name would

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Speaker 2: Okay, all right, you're five years old. But the point

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Speaker 2: I think over time that will cost him, but for

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Speaker 2: excuse me, for Prahachka in his two UFC fights, and

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Speaker 1: That absolutely rare when you're like, okay, it's up to

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Speaker 1: But you heard him talk about Prahotska on our couch,

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Speaker 2: Well it's not impossible, right, I Mean, this fight is

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Speaker 2: a takedown in the first minute. It wasn't he He

430
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Speaker 2: wasn't getting lit up against Bolhovich in that first minute.

431
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Speaker 2: There was a couple of times later in the fight

432
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Speaker 2: where he got touched up, but not in that first minute.

433
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Speaker 2: Tells you he knows that this is his best method

434
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Speaker 2: to victory. He knows, you know, for example, in the

435
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Speaker 2: Thiago Santos fight, dude, Tiago Santos was laying some hands

436
00:19:52,760 --> 00:19:54,919
Speaker 2: on him until he went for the takedown, or you know,

437
00:19:55,000 --> 00:19:56,680
Speaker 2: can control the fight in that kind of a way.

438
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Speaker 2: I think he just knows that's the order of business here.

439
00:20:00,640 --> 00:20:02,359
Speaker 2: He has to find a way to jab inside and

440
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Speaker 2: get the guy to react. But dude, Prohaska is a

441
00:20:04,320 --> 00:20:06,960
Speaker 2: wild card man. I could totally see a scenario where

442
00:20:06,960 --> 00:20:09,880
Speaker 2: he backs him against the fence level changes to get

443
00:20:09,880 --> 00:20:12,720
Speaker 2: the takedown and then just eats a giant fucking knee

444
00:20:12,720 --> 00:20:14,720
Speaker 2: on the way in, and that that just closes the show.

445
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Speaker 2: It's this this is a weird one, but a great one.

446
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Speaker 1: I know, instead of trying to say, you know, could

447
00:20:19,480 --> 00:20:22,440
Speaker 1: we see Glover versus Lahovich all over again? In terms

448
00:20:22,480 --> 00:20:24,679
Speaker 1: of how it plays out, you know, it could go

449
00:20:24,720 --> 00:20:27,280
Speaker 1: on the way of Glover versus Thiago Santos as well,

450
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Speaker 1: which is you know your yearie landing something monster early

451
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Speaker 1: where you think Glover is going to get stopped and

452
00:20:32,680 --> 00:20:35,480
Speaker 1: he stays the course, he bites down and eventually gets

453
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Speaker 1: the fight to the ground and does his thing. I

454
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Speaker 1: mean that that could be something he's got to realize

455
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Speaker 1: is possible given the danger. So let's go to Glover

456
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Speaker 1: right now. We had him on the couch episode one

457
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Speaker 1: of our revamped Room Service Diaries two point zero, and

458
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Speaker 1: of course we said, you know, what do you expect

459
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Speaker 1: from from from Perhatska? How how are you mentally preparing

460
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Speaker 1: to face somebody this dangerous. Let's go to the videotape,

461
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Speaker 1: ass that's him.

462
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Speaker 2: From your standpoint, what do you what do you believe

463
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Speaker 2: is the major channel unch for you?

464
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Speaker 3: It's there? You know, is there is there his tie

465
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Speaker 3: or to see the movement that we walk a lot

466
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Speaker 3: of my eyes I have a good people.

467
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Speaker 2: Walk with that.

468
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Speaker 3: You can see in my last few fights the way

469
00:21:16,840 --> 00:21:18,960
Speaker 3: I'm rolling with the punch is better, you know, and

470
00:21:19,080 --> 00:21:24,600
Speaker 3: not getting hit clear like like before before. Just walk

471
00:21:24,640 --> 00:21:28,639
Speaker 3: straight and keep going, but now moving and moving a

472
00:21:28,680 --> 00:21:31,320
Speaker 3: little more walk in my eyes and walking the timing

473
00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:35,760
Speaker 3: for him, this is the main thing. But I look

474
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Speaker 3: at the fight a little bit. I look his fight

475
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Speaker 3: and I see, like I say, I see the openings

476
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Speaker 3: he does when he strike, he leaves the opening for

477
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Speaker 3: some positions. And you know, that's the main thing that

478
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Speaker 3: I think the most difficult thing to deal with is

479
00:21:52,880 --> 00:21:58,000
Speaker 3: probably like the style. But when you come, when you

480
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Speaker 3: patient and you see everything, that's the coup about Marshal

481
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Speaker 3: arches how to adopt it to the style?

482
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Speaker 1: You know, Oh, I know what he's thinking, Luke. Nothing

483
00:22:11,480 --> 00:22:14,159
Speaker 1: a double leg couldn't figure out in terms of, you know,

484
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Speaker 1: dealing with the danger of what Prahotska's striking brings to

485
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Speaker 1: the table. But you get what I'm my earlier point, man,

486
00:22:20,280 --> 00:22:23,480
Speaker 1: he is so damn you know, tough guy next door,

487
00:22:23,560 --> 00:22:25,840
Speaker 1: confident and and and you know, when you really do

488
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Speaker 1: the math and look at this fight, I think he

489
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Speaker 1: potentially has reasons to be and you know, one thing

490
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Speaker 1: he did say there, Luke, I wanted to get your take,

491
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Speaker 1: is you know he was coming in a straight line.

492
00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:35,920
Speaker 1: I mean that that was going to be a problem

493
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Speaker 1: when you're facing a guy like Rumbell Johnson, and he

494
00:22:37,760 --> 00:22:41,120
Speaker 1: got sent deep down in the first round. But part

495
00:22:41,160 --> 00:22:46,760
Speaker 1: of that educated evolution in his senior years for to

496
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Speaker 1: share it has not just been the focus on the

497
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Speaker 1: on the fundamental basics on the ground and hammering that home,

498
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Speaker 1: but it is little nuances to his boxing game. I mean, look,

499
00:22:55,680 --> 00:22:59,359
Speaker 1: he's long trained with you know, for Nellie Felis senior

500
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Speaker 1: there the X pro boxer who fought you know, heavyweight

501
00:23:02,280 --> 00:23:05,640
Speaker 1: champions and and his boxing is you know, we talk

502
00:23:05,680 --> 00:23:09,000
Speaker 1: about the power, but his boxing is also very just

503
00:23:09,040 --> 00:23:12,200
Speaker 1: technically on point. So there's a lot of reasons coming

504
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Speaker 1: into like Glover beyond just the romanticized old guy getting

505
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Speaker 1: it done again. I'm excited.

506
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Speaker 2: Really that conventional game only works if you're being against Prohotchka,

507
00:23:21,520 --> 00:23:23,760
Speaker 2: if you're being a bully with it, right, like, if

508
00:23:23,760 --> 00:23:26,080
Speaker 2: you're really catching him between strikes, you're getting out of

509
00:23:26,080 --> 00:23:27,919
Speaker 2: the way and then you're just popping him with it.

510
00:23:28,320 --> 00:23:31,040
Speaker 2: If you're just trying to go you know, like, I'm

511
00:23:31,040 --> 00:23:33,280
Speaker 2: gonna just punch my way inside in a very conventional

512
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Speaker 2: kind of way, do Perhotchka will eat you alive. I mean,

513
00:23:35,640 --> 00:23:38,879
Speaker 2: you would agree he's a better athlete, far better athlete,

514
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Speaker 2: at least at the stage of his career. He's certainly

515
00:23:40,840 --> 00:23:44,240
Speaker 2: in sick shape. Yeah, sick shape, pro super explosive. He's

516
00:23:44,359 --> 00:23:46,639
Speaker 2: very explosive, and dude, he will take a risk and

517
00:23:46,680 --> 00:23:48,719
Speaker 2: that risk might cost him at certain times, but the

518
00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:51,920
Speaker 2: rewards for it are extraordinary as well. So what I

519
00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:54,560
Speaker 2: would say is, to me, the modus operandi is not

520
00:23:54,640 --> 00:23:56,959
Speaker 2: to strike with this guy. It's to really lock up

521
00:23:56,960 --> 00:23:59,880
Speaker 2: with him, make him wrestle, make him fight on the ground,

522
00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:02,400
Speaker 2: to do that kind of stuff. Because I honestly feel like, yes,

523
00:24:02,760 --> 00:24:04,719
Speaker 2: it's not that Glover can't handle himself, and I take

524
00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:07,600
Speaker 2: those points seriously, but I think that that there there

525
00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:10,439
Speaker 2: would need to be a real clear sense we have

526
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Speaker 2: to limit the amount of exposure we have to this

527
00:24:13,359 --> 00:24:16,399
Speaker 2: maniac who's out there spinning and jumping and all kinds

528
00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:19,400
Speaker 2: of stuff. We got to make this a controlled contest,

529
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Speaker 2: reduce all these other variables. That's what GSP did is

530
00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:24,800
Speaker 2: like career, everyone was like, oh, GSP got boring. That's

531
00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:27,880
Speaker 2: not quite right. Sometimes the fights were less exciting. But

532
00:24:28,040 --> 00:24:31,080
Speaker 2: the major insight to the sort of the second chapter

533
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Speaker 2: of GSP's career was that when you wrestle a guy,

534
00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:36,439
Speaker 2: if you're really good enough at it, you take out

535
00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:39,520
Speaker 2: so many of these other variables because most guys don't

536
00:24:39,560 --> 00:24:41,360
Speaker 2: have a guard game at this point where they could

537
00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:44,040
Speaker 2: really be a true submission threat. Charles Olaver and some

538
00:24:44,080 --> 00:24:46,600
Speaker 2: other ones notwithstanding, but like the kinds of guys that

539
00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:48,919
Speaker 2: Saint Pierre was fighting, if you can make it that

540
00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:51,760
Speaker 2: kind of a fight, it's a much more manageable affair.

541
00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:55,120
Speaker 2: There's less chaos that you have to control force. Same

542
00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:57,720
Speaker 2: with Habib as well. I really think at this stage

543
00:24:57,720 --> 00:24:59,800
Speaker 2: of his game that has to be the key and

544
00:24:59,800 --> 00:25:02,760
Speaker 2: sty iteration. If that is slipping Prohotchik is gonna light

545
00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:04,480
Speaker 2: him on fire, right.

546
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Speaker 1: So look, Prootska can end it, you know, really at

547
00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:11,240
Speaker 1: any time with one shot or one shot that sets

548
00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:15,000
Speaker 1: up a finish. His physical presence, he's hungry, he seems

549
00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:17,080
Speaker 1: to have he seems to have some of those intangibles

550
00:25:17,119 --> 00:25:19,000
Speaker 1: in locksteps. So I want to ask you about those

551
00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:21,600
Speaker 1: intangibles because part of me wants to go, Okay, what

552
00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:23,000
Speaker 1: I think this fight's going to look like. Is it

553
00:25:23,080 --> 00:25:26,480
Speaker 1: comparable to like young Francis and Gano against you know,

554
00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:30,000
Speaker 1: stepe A the first time? Not really though, because Prohotska

555
00:25:30,040 --> 00:25:33,320
Speaker 1: seems to be more advanced in certain areas where that

556
00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:37,080
Speaker 1: version of Behana was very much a one trick pony.

557
00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:40,679
Speaker 1: So if that's true, what areas of Protzka's game do

558
00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:42,399
Speaker 1: you feel like you know about in terms of the

559
00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:47,280
Speaker 1: intangible sense his backbone, his chin, his gas tank, his adaptability,

560
00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:50,680
Speaker 1: his you know, takedown defense. How strong do you believe

561
00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:54,720
Speaker 1: some of those fundamental aspects are where you know, things

562
00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:56,480
Speaker 1: might not be going his way, he may be able

563
00:25:56,480 --> 00:25:57,320
Speaker 1: to make some adjustments.

564
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Speaker 2: I tend to think that the biggest thing that makes

565
00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:04,359
Speaker 2: his game work is two things. One, it's just you know,

566
00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:06,880
Speaker 2: it's a little bit risk reward as we mentioned before, right.

567
00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:09,960
Speaker 2: But the one thing that really stands out about his game,

568
00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:13,040
Speaker 2: especially in these last two UFC fights, the ones in Japan,

569
00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:16,240
Speaker 2: some of them were like this, some of them warn't,

570
00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:18,680
Speaker 2: but certainly his last two against Uzdami and Reyes Dude,

571
00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:21,920
Speaker 2: he puts pressure on these guys. I mean, he marches

572
00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:25,359
Speaker 2: them down and again he'll eat punches or strikes on

573
00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:29,520
Speaker 2: the way all the time to deliver hellacious blows again,

574
00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:32,880
Speaker 2: big big strikes along the way. But he is constantly

575
00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:35,840
Speaker 2: not allowing these guys to reset. I think that's a

576
00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:39,120
Speaker 2: big deal, right, making these guys back up, making them

577
00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:42,040
Speaker 2: fight off the back foot, making them have to choose

578
00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:43,800
Speaker 2: a strike to throw that maybe if they had a

579
00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:45,280
Speaker 2: little bit more I mean, think about this, you know

580
00:26:45,280 --> 00:26:48,440
Speaker 2: this true from boxing BC. Dude, one second in boxing

581
00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:51,840
Speaker 2: is an eternity against somebody who's very good. It's an eternity.

582
00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:54,680
Speaker 2: So if you can constantly make a guy have less

583
00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:58,720
Speaker 2: time to pick whatever strike or offensive maneuver he would

584
00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:01,919
Speaker 2: like to use, you're going to make them pick suboptimal

585
00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:04,679
Speaker 2: things over time, and that is all he really needs.

586
00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:07,040
Speaker 2: I mean, I take that threat quite seriously. That to

587
00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:09,760
Speaker 2: me is the big thing. Dude, if Glover really wants

588
00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:12,360
Speaker 2: to win. Yes, we talked about the takedowns, but resisting

589
00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:18,600
Speaker 2: consistent pressure from Prohodchka is going to be absolutely critical.

590
00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:20,400
Speaker 2: If he can't do that, and he's just kind of like,

591
00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:23,200
Speaker 2: you know, trying to keep his head above water to

592
00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:25,639
Speaker 2: keep up with it, he's going to lose that about

593
00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:28,240
Speaker 2: ten times out of ten right now, no one can

594
00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:31,080
Speaker 2: play speed chess with Prahodska even though he gets hit.

595
00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:33,720
Speaker 2: You see the numbers, almost seven strikes a goddamn minute,

596
00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:36,080
Speaker 2: but it doesn't matter because of all the other things.

597
00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:38,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a great point about the idea of of

598
00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:42,520
Speaker 1: someone always being in a suboptimal position, because you're going

599
00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:44,920
Speaker 1: to be caught off guard in any situation against Protska,

600
00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:46,840
Speaker 1: because as soon as he lands something, you'll get a

601
00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:48,679
Speaker 1: feel of that power and the speed behind it, and

602
00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:51,159
Speaker 1: you're like, oh, hold on, But then he's putting on

603
00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:54,560
Speaker 1: that mental pressure from constantly walking you down and the

604
00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:57,320
Speaker 1: threat of the explosion. And Luke, I think we would

605
00:27:57,520 --> 00:27:59,960
Speaker 1: be fair to say here from a quick twitch five

606
00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:04,000
Speaker 1: ibers standpoint, from an NFL linebacker crushing the quarterback sort

607
00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:08,160
Speaker 1: of explosiveness, he seems to very much be a plus athlete.

608
00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:10,560
Speaker 1: I mean, there is you know, there's something there that

609
00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:13,439
Speaker 1: makes him very dangerous on top of the fact that

610
00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:17,000
Speaker 1: he's doing unorthodox things at times. That has to come

611
00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:19,840
Speaker 1: from somewhere. So why don't we bring in our colleague

612
00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:22,120
Speaker 1: once in a while here On CBS Sports in Morning Combat,

613
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Speaker 1: Shaquille Majori Luke, he caught up with YERI prohotsk ahead

614
00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:29,040
Speaker 1: of this. I believe you can watch the full interview

615
00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:32,840
Speaker 1: on his shack MMA channel on YouTube. But you know this,

616
00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:38,400
Speaker 1: this Persian print, this this French Canadian by birth. He said, YERI,

617
00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:40,920
Speaker 1: you know what did you do early on to sort

618
00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:44,320
Speaker 1: of develop this type of explosiveness. Let's go to the videotaper.

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Speaker 4: When I was a child, I catch these lizards every

620
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Speaker 4: every summer because every summer I had uh, I'll just

621
00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:06,000
Speaker 4: say big park, big park next to my house, and

622
00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:09,160
Speaker 4: there was a big grass and a lot of but

623
00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:12,240
Speaker 4: fucking speed lizards.

624
00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:18,360
Speaker 5: Yeah, and and and and my my my mission was

625
00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:22,400
Speaker 5: to catch every lizard on on this in the in

626
00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:26,560
Speaker 5: this grass and and uh that was my training.

627
00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:29,840
Speaker 4: That was my training for the reflection and for for everything.

628
00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:33,560
Speaker 2: Good hands speed. I did that day by day.

629
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Speaker 4: Every day I catched a full full box of lizards.

630
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Speaker 4: Then I released them.

631
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Speaker 1: Look, he's delight, really weird. First of all, he's awesome,

632
00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:49,320
Speaker 1: But would you say given that Roy Jones Junior, like

633
00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:51,880
Speaker 1: the Rocky movies, grew up, you know, on a farm

634
00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:54,120
Speaker 1: in Florida where there's chickens and cocks, and he's sort

635
00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:57,000
Speaker 1: of just you know, squatting down and chasing after him,

636
00:29:57,040 --> 00:29:59,640
Speaker 1: and you know, the sort of freak athleticism of Roy Jones.

637
00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:01,160
Speaker 1: It seems me something there, Luke.

638
00:30:02,120 --> 00:30:05,560
Speaker 2: Dude, he's is this what uh like? Remember was it Rocky?

639
00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:08,200
Speaker 2: He was chasing the chickens right and so long since

640
00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:12,240
Speaker 2: I've seen But that's what's he's He is so out there,

641
00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:15,400
Speaker 2: he's so different. But I tell you what, man, he's

642
00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:19,200
Speaker 2: so full of confidence, you know, like he's so sure

643
00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:22,840
Speaker 2: of the path. He's so he's so sure of his

644
00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:28,520
Speaker 2: methods and and the way in which his life has

645
00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:31,160
Speaker 2: been guided by whatever force it's been guided by his

646
00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:34,640
Speaker 2: own work, however things go. He just seemed he's he

647
00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:36,920
Speaker 2: he dude, he very This is one of the better

648
00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:39,520
Speaker 2: parts of MMA. Like MMA has a lot of weirdos

649
00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:42,960
Speaker 2: who are bad people, but it also has weirdos who

650
00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:46,480
Speaker 2: are like delightfully weird in the way that you've described. Dude,

651
00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:48,360
Speaker 2: he marches to the beat of his own drum in

652
00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:50,240
Speaker 2: all the best ways possible. And then you add in

653
00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:52,560
Speaker 2: the fact that he like, forget all the lizard chasing stuff.

654
00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:54,800
Speaker 2: He's a sick athlete. And I want to point out

655
00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:56,400
Speaker 2: one of the things too, Like he's got this weird

656
00:30:56,440 --> 00:30:58,400
Speaker 2: way of looking at the world. Do you remember when

657
00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:00,080
Speaker 2: he fought I think it was ray As, maybe it

658
00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:01,920
Speaker 2: was Uzdimir two. I can't remember now at this point,

659
00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:04,600
Speaker 2: but remember he kept holding his hand like this, like

660
00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:06,960
Speaker 2: he was like concealing it, and then he would throw

661
00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:10,760
Speaker 2: it on these like offbeat rhythms in the wildest way possible.

662
00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:13,800
Speaker 2: He's unpredictable too. We talk about his pressure, we talk

663
00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:17,320
Speaker 2: about his dirt and his durability and his explosivity. The

664
00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:19,400
Speaker 2: other part is he's just a little hard to get

665
00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:22,320
Speaker 2: a beat on because he does stuff that other people

666
00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:24,320
Speaker 2: don't do. This is again, I'm gonna say it, the

667
00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:26,400
Speaker 2: more you should get a stop watch. The more time

668
00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:29,040
Speaker 2: that this fight stays on the feet, there's going to

669
00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:32,080
Speaker 2: be diminishing returns for Glover. Glover has to take all

670
00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:33,320
Speaker 2: of that way if he wants to win.

671
00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:35,960
Speaker 1: And you know, like I talked about that mental pressure,

672
00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:38,000
Speaker 1: that's part of it, not knowing where the next strike

673
00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:40,000
Speaker 1: is going to come from. But I do think Glover

674
00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:44,040
Speaker 1: to share if anyone is you know, he can handle that.

675
00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:45,800
Speaker 1: You know, he's still can get knocked out. But you

676
00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:48,080
Speaker 1: get what I'm saying. I don't think Glover will break

677
00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:51,840
Speaker 1: because of the pressure and the Orthodox unorthodox threats. I

678
00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:54,640
Speaker 1: think he'll break if those on Earthodox threats land, for sure,

679
00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:57,840
Speaker 1: But there is a difference there. Uh. But you know, Prahtska, Luke,

680
00:31:57,880 --> 00:32:00,160
Speaker 1: as much as we are romanticizing old guy glove Or

681
00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:02,280
Speaker 1: for all the right reasons and kind of like, you know,

682
00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:04,280
Speaker 1: we sat down with him on the couch. He's amazing.

683
00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:06,240
Speaker 1: If he wins, you'll be like, damn, you know, score

684
00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:09,080
Speaker 1: one for the old guys. On the flip side, Prahotska

685
00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:12,680
Speaker 1: is really the perfect fan friendly champion if he gets there,

686
00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:16,920
Speaker 1: because of the all action variety, the the the unorthodox nature,

687
00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:20,040
Speaker 1: but also Luke, he's like cosplaying in real life as

688
00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:22,240
Speaker 1: like a ninja. I mean, he's like a video game character.

689
00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:25,960
Speaker 1: It's great. The stick rules, I love it. So if

690
00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:28,920
Speaker 1: that's the direction this fight goes, you're certainly gonna love that.

691
00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:31,840
Speaker 1: But it is just this third UFC fight and bringing

692
00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:35,640
Speaker 1: back in Shaq Luke Shak Missouri did say, look, what

693
00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:39,160
Speaker 1: did you learn from watching Glover to share against Yan Blhovich.

694
00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:41,760
Speaker 1: You know that can inform your chances of taking the

695
00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:43,840
Speaker 1: title on Saturday. Everybody sees that.

696
00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:48,480
Speaker 4: Everybody sees that God jan who's fot with with the

697
00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:54,920
Speaker 4: reyez or or whoever. Yeah, that was just another Anotherovich

698
00:32:55,040 --> 00:33:00,840
Speaker 4: and and he he's up to us. How we how

699
00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:06,400
Speaker 4: we know how to how to work with ourselves, how

700
00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:14,480
Speaker 4: to how to how to how to start or work

701
00:33:14,600 --> 00:33:19,840
Speaker 4: with ourselves when it's something bad, something good, something. Yeah,

702
00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:23,040
Speaker 4: sometimes you are so much energy, and yet you have

703
00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:26,680
Speaker 4: to keep yourself down. Sometimes you are so down, so

704
00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:31,280
Speaker 4: you have to keep keep yourself more more up.

705
00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:33,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, like an energy.

706
00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:40,960
Speaker 1: Look, although that was a lot of weirdness, and that

707
00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:45,080
Speaker 1: the point of how we started it is Yearie believes

708
00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:47,680
Speaker 1: that was not Yan Blokhovitch that night, and we have

709
00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:49,680
Speaker 1: talked about this. That's the worst night at the office

710
00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:52,120
Speaker 1: for Blovich, you know, he said afterwards his body sort

711
00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:54,280
Speaker 1: of failed and he just didn't feel like himself. It happens,

712
00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:56,640
Speaker 1: you can have an off night. How much should we

713
00:33:56,760 --> 00:34:00,280
Speaker 1: be looking at that and sort of saying, maybe there's

714
00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:02,240
Speaker 1: some fools gold like great victory Glover, you were the

715
00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:05,600
Speaker 1: right guy at the right time. But this ain't Yan.

716
00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:08,839
Speaker 1: And this also ain't compromise Yon. This is a whole

717
00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:09,399
Speaker 1: different beast.

718
00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:14,239
Speaker 2: Ne Protzka, I'm willing to accept that that was not

719
00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:17,160
Speaker 2: Yan's best night. But I also think that you know,

720
00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:20,839
Speaker 2: Glover didn't do anything outrageous relative to what Glover does.

721
00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:24,160
Speaker 2: That was pretty standard Glover if you ask me. So.

722
00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:27,439
Speaker 2: While I can accept that another fight with Blohovich could

723
00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:30,640
Speaker 2: go differently, it wasn't like you can say that Yan

724
00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:33,200
Speaker 2: had an off night, fine, but you can't say that

725
00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:36,480
Speaker 2: Glover had like some exceptional night. Glover just did Glover

726
00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:41,560
Speaker 2: things so fine, I'm going to believe that. But dude,

727
00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:45,600
Speaker 2: the bigger point is Belhovich and Prahdska are just entirely

728
00:34:45,640 --> 00:34:49,120
Speaker 2: different fighters. You know, Belhovich can blitz on occasion, but

729
00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:53,400
Speaker 2: he's very careful about seeing what's coming, checking kicks, getting

730
00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:55,399
Speaker 2: out of the way, firing when he has a good

731
00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:59,319
Speaker 2: opportunity defensively, wrestling when he has to, offensively, wrestling when

732
00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:03,040
Speaker 2: he has to. Like, there's just real careful consideration about

733
00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:06,920
Speaker 2: his game. In large part, Porhotska is the exact opposite

734
00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:09,239
Speaker 2: of that. Dude, he is, I mean, he is just

735
00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:13,400
Speaker 2: the Tasmanian devil in there. So you know, whether or

736
00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:16,200
Speaker 2: not it's true that Glover beat an opponent who was

737
00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:18,640
Speaker 2: somewhat less of himself, and maybe there's something to be

738
00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:20,879
Speaker 2: said for that. But at the same time there's such

739
00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:24,240
Speaker 2: radically different opponents. I don't really know what to infer

740
00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:27,520
Speaker 2: from that other than they were what they were, which

741
00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:29,719
Speaker 2: is a tautology, but you know that is that is

742
00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:30,120
Speaker 2: the case.

743
00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:33,520
Speaker 1: Indeed, indeed, all right, Luca's time to take this thing

744
00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:37,120
Speaker 1: home for this main event fight. One more tidbit, it's

745
00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:39,480
Speaker 1: a little more of the magic side of it. But

746
00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:42,400
Speaker 1: Glover Tisher did say I believe in the UFC Countdown

747
00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:45,040
Speaker 1: episode that when he bought his house and he told us,

748
00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:46,560
Speaker 1: you know, he still lives in a very humble house.

749
00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:48,200
Speaker 1: I think he said he bought it after like his

750
00:35:48,239 --> 00:35:51,440
Speaker 1: third or fourth UFC fight. In the basement, there are

751
00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:53,840
Speaker 1: four walls, and he said to himself at that point,

752
00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:57,600
Speaker 1: my goal. He bought four poster frames, he says, my

753
00:35:57,680 --> 00:35:59,919
Speaker 1: goal is to have one on each wall. He's refer

754
00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:03,400
Speaker 1: him as the face of the poster headlining of pay

755
00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:06,120
Speaker 1: per view, and he said, basically, I had one with Jones,

756
00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:07,680
Speaker 1: and then I had one with you know when I

757
00:36:07,719 --> 00:36:09,840
Speaker 1: won the title, and now I got one here. I

758
00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:14,200
Speaker 1: need one more. Okay, maybe that's just you know, again romanticize, like,

759
00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:16,600
Speaker 1: you know, maybe there's one more if he wins here.

760
00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:21,439
Speaker 1: There's probably will be one more Call me crazy here, Luke,

761
00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:24,440
Speaker 1: I'm riding the old man's strength. The more I look

762
00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:26,919
Speaker 1: at this, I know the danger. I know that year

763
00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:31,040
Speaker 1: is just different. But I also know the the unexplained,

764
00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:34,919
Speaker 1: the potential weaknesses, the unknown about what does this fight

765
00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:36,680
Speaker 1: look like if it goes and rounds four and five?

766
00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:40,040
Speaker 1: How does Yearie respond if he gets raged all for

767
00:36:40,040 --> 00:36:41,839
Speaker 1: a couple of rounds and his guest tank really gets

768
00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:44,239
Speaker 1: yanked on. There's a lot of things here. I've also

769
00:36:44,239 --> 00:36:47,440
Speaker 1: seen Glover at this level recently take big strikes and

770
00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:52,520
Speaker 1: come back and respond from major adversity. I'm liking Glover

771
00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:55,040
Speaker 1: to share it by submission here, Luke, call me crazy.

772
00:36:56,560 --> 00:36:58,840
Speaker 2: I don't think it's crazy at all. The odds speak

773
00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:02,680
Speaker 2: to this being very very very close, I mean very close.

774
00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:05,839
Speaker 2: This is a very difficult fight too. I know some

775
00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:08,160
Speaker 2: folks are going to be all Procric's gonna win, no problem,

776
00:37:08,239 --> 00:37:09,680
Speaker 2: and maybe there's some folks who think the same about

777
00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:11,960
Speaker 2: Glover are given some of the other considerations. But to me,

778
00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:13,840
Speaker 2: this is very much a coin flip in the interest

779
00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:17,640
Speaker 2: of the segment. I'm gonna ride with Prahachka. I have

780
00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:21,320
Speaker 2: gone back and forth and back and forth. I absolutely

781
00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:23,640
Speaker 2: do believe that people are sleeping on Glover. Perhaps I

782
00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:25,719
Speaker 2: am one of them by virtue of picking Prohchka. I

783
00:37:25,719 --> 00:37:28,120
Speaker 2: don't think so, because I take Glover's chances of winning

784
00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:32,319
Speaker 2: quite seriously. But I just feel like, wow, I'll here's

785
00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:35,440
Speaker 2: what I think Prahochka's style is gonna cost him eventually.

786
00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:37,479
Speaker 2: I really believe that unless he does something to clean

787
00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:39,480
Speaker 2: it up, somebody is going to take advantage of it.

788
00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:41,520
Speaker 2: As he gets older and the durability is not there,

789
00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:43,960
Speaker 2: like he's coasting a little bit on the fact that

790
00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:46,920
Speaker 2: his body can accept this damage. Well, when the body can't,

791
00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:49,839
Speaker 2: the way in which all the other pieces work will

792
00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:53,120
Speaker 2: fall apart. It is contingent upon him being durable. But

793
00:37:53,239 --> 00:37:55,280
Speaker 2: he is durable. And so while I have some questions

794
00:37:55,320 --> 00:37:57,800
Speaker 2: about his ground game, they are real ones, and Glover

795
00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:02,080
Speaker 2: is a legit black belt certainly for MMA purposes. On

796
00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:04,400
Speaker 2: the ground, I think Prahac is going to find a

797
00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:07,200
Speaker 2: way to get it done. I think the vulnerability of

798
00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:11,560
Speaker 2: a guy like Glover is probably maybe going to show

799
00:38:11,560 --> 00:38:14,680
Speaker 2: itself here a little bit against a just a wild

800
00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:18,760
Speaker 2: bronco of a fighter in Prahajka. So it's a coin flip, really,

801
00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:20,920
Speaker 2: but I'll slightly lean towards Prohachka.

802
00:38:21,560 --> 00:38:23,480
Speaker 1: I can't wait for this, seriously. This has been a

803
00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:26,440
Speaker 1: sort of a slow burn and brew and now you know,

804
00:38:26,640 --> 00:38:28,840
Speaker 1: we got closer and it's like, damn, I really really

805
00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:30,840
Speaker 1: love this fight. I can't wait to see how it

806
00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:33,439
Speaker 1: turns out, Luke. The cole main event offers yet another

807
00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:36,720
Speaker 1: title fight, as Valentino Chefchenko looks for the seventh defense

808
00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:38,880
Speaker 1: of her one hundred and twenty five pound title. She

809
00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:43,000
Speaker 1: welcomes Tyler Santos, riding a four fight win streak from Brazil.

810
00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:46,160
Speaker 1: We talked earlier this week, Luke Santos has the best

811
00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:49,480
Speaker 1: odds as an underdog of any one of the seven

812
00:38:49,560 --> 00:38:53,640
Speaker 1: title defenses. Only Youana in their vacant title bout had

813
00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:57,200
Speaker 1: a closer chance, according to odds makers. We've done that debate, Luke.

814
00:38:57,800 --> 00:39:00,800
Speaker 1: Is it better for Santos to be fully well rounded

815
00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:04,839
Speaker 1: to have the best shot an upsetting Shiftchenko or does

816
00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:07,279
Speaker 1: it need to be that one dominant skill. But when

817
00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:10,040
Speaker 1: you watch these UFC highlight packages, and I know sometimes

818
00:39:10,080 --> 00:39:13,680
Speaker 1: they're infused with sort of you know, comments that puff

819
00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:17,239
Speaker 1: fighters up and forgets flaws or losses or whatever. But

820
00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:20,600
Speaker 1: you know, they tend to frame Tyler Santos as a damaging,

821
00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:25,000
Speaker 1: deadly striker. Do you believe she has the striking if

822
00:39:25,040 --> 00:39:27,719
Speaker 1: she obviously has the chin, game plan and all those

823
00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:31,640
Speaker 1: other intangibles behind that to potentially make this at least

824
00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:33,839
Speaker 1: a competitive fight on the feet, Luke, are we gonna

825
00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:37,240
Speaker 1: see a a anything but the type of one sided

826
00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:40,160
Speaker 1: rampages that we've come to know from Valentina at this

827
00:39:40,200 --> 00:39:40,760
Speaker 1: weight class.

828
00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:44,959
Speaker 2: No, Actually, this one could be a little It would

829
00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:48,080
Speaker 2: be a decent comparison, not in not that it might

830
00:39:48,120 --> 00:39:50,160
Speaker 2: look the same, but it might have a certain kind

831
00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:53,960
Speaker 2: of feel, which is to say, Holloway versus Edgar, which

832
00:39:54,200 --> 00:39:56,560
Speaker 2: you know, you look at the scorecards and Halloway ran

833
00:39:56,600 --> 00:39:58,720
Speaker 2: away with it, but each round was kind of close

834
00:39:58,760 --> 00:40:01,200
Speaker 2: because Holloway had to defend downs and there was not

835
00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:04,320
Speaker 2: a whole lot of offense that either guy was meaningfully

836
00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:06,160
Speaker 2: able to land. Holloway obviously got the better of it,

837
00:40:06,200 --> 00:40:08,919
Speaker 2: but you know the thing is, it's like, I think

838
00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:11,600
Speaker 2: Santos can make this close. And people don't want to

839
00:40:11,640 --> 00:40:15,960
Speaker 2: admit this, but Chefchenko can all routinely be a very

840
00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:18,920
Speaker 2: defensive fighter. Everyone and their brother wants to blame the

841
00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:22,240
Speaker 2: car Moush versus Chefchenko fight strictly on Carmusch and Okay,

842
00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:25,600
Speaker 2: she bears a ton of responsibility and probably more because

843
00:40:25,640 --> 00:40:27,520
Speaker 2: she was the one who wanted to wrestle the title away,

844
00:40:27,600 --> 00:40:29,319
Speaker 2: so to speak, and so you should probably do more

845
00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:32,279
Speaker 2: if that's your opportunity. Still, it wasn't like Schifchenko was

846
00:40:32,320 --> 00:40:34,440
Speaker 2: some kind of offensive dynamo in that fight. There's been

847
00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:36,759
Speaker 2: a lot of fights where she's not been an offensive dynamo. Now,

848
00:40:36,760 --> 00:40:38,600
Speaker 2: obviously we have the just Guy fight and some other

849
00:40:38,600 --> 00:40:40,360
Speaker 2: ones as well, you know Juliana Pania, where she's been

850
00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:44,279
Speaker 2: a dynamic finisher. But Tyler Santos is very good and

851
00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:46,920
Speaker 2: she is very well rounded. She can wrestle a little bit,

852
00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:50,040
Speaker 2: she can push the pace when she needs to. She

853
00:40:50,080 --> 00:40:53,120
Speaker 2: has good striking, good shot selection, she has good cardio

854
00:40:53,160 --> 00:40:55,479
Speaker 2: from what I've seen, she has good ground to pound

855
00:40:55,520 --> 00:40:58,040
Speaker 2: on top at times. Yeah, dude, she can do a lot.

856
00:40:58,280 --> 00:41:00,640
Speaker 2: But I go back to what we said on Wednesday BC,

857
00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:04,439
Speaker 2: which was, Okay, can she make this competitive? No doubt

858
00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:06,799
Speaker 2: in my mind she's going to make this competitive. But

859
00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:10,279
Speaker 2: what does she have that's going to get her over

860
00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:14,040
Speaker 2: the hump to make Chefchenko make a mistake. What's that

861
00:41:14,080 --> 00:41:16,759
Speaker 2: one skill she can lord over her? Dude, I don't

862
00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:18,880
Speaker 2: see that. That's the part I don't see.

863
00:41:19,239 --> 00:41:21,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like, can you talk yourself into the idea

864
00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:24,480
Speaker 1: that she can land enough strikes early and put the

865
00:41:24,520 --> 00:41:26,640
Speaker 1: threat of her power out there, that Valentina goes into

866
00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:29,480
Speaker 1: a much more defensive type of setup and looks to

867
00:41:29,520 --> 00:41:33,560
Speaker 1: CounterPunch it. Certainly that's possible here, but chef Chenko also

868
00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:36,680
Speaker 1: can completely win fights from that posture and completely shut

869
00:41:36,719 --> 00:41:40,360
Speaker 1: you down. And it's like, I like, I got excited

870
00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:42,640
Speaker 1: when this fight was announced openly because it's it's sort

871
00:41:42,640 --> 00:41:45,360
Speaker 1: of like, Okay, someone fresh blood, someone new, different a

872
00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:48,000
Speaker 1: little bit, you know, more in their in their absolute prime,

873
00:41:48,120 --> 00:41:51,680
Speaker 1: more of a on a confident run everything. But when

874
00:41:51,719 --> 00:41:54,080
Speaker 1: you look at a champion that has dominated for so

875
00:41:54,280 --> 00:41:56,239
Speaker 1: long and we've all we've done this with all of them,

876
00:41:56,239 --> 00:41:58,880
Speaker 1: with Amanda nwnis recently start starting to look, you know

877
00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:01,759
Speaker 1: during the ragn is are they getting older without us

878
00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:04,880
Speaker 1: really realizing? Is their focus going? Is their commitment going?

879
00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:08,360
Speaker 1: I just you know, are they over confident while Valentina

880
00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:12,320
Speaker 1: is supremely confident. I still don't even think she's over content.

881
00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:15,160
Speaker 1: I don't see any flaw or hole in her game.

882
00:42:15,719 --> 00:42:19,040
Speaker 1: So it's like, could Tyler Santos slow the pace down

883
00:42:19,080 --> 00:42:21,080
Speaker 1: with the threat of her striking and kind of make

884
00:42:21,160 --> 00:42:23,920
Speaker 1: this into a weird sort of chess match that could

885
00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:27,160
Speaker 1: open the door for her to push forth late and

886
00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:30,480
Speaker 1: try to steal the fight. That would really need to

887
00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:33,279
Speaker 1: see a very passive Chefchenko. That would need to see

888
00:42:33,320 --> 00:42:36,160
Speaker 1: a Chefchenko who when she makes that adjustment, starts counter

889
00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:39,319
Speaker 1: striking and looking to land big shots that Santos would

890
00:42:39,360 --> 00:42:41,160
Speaker 1: have the adjustment on top of that to try to

891
00:42:41,239 --> 00:42:43,680
Speaker 1: force out, you know, deeper down the hand of Schifchenko.

892
00:42:43,719 --> 00:42:46,239
Speaker 1: What's your plan C in D and E, I mean,

893
00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:48,520
Speaker 1: what plan can she push her to? What's a win

894
00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:51,120
Speaker 1: here for Tyler to push Chefchenko into plan be of

895
00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:55,000
Speaker 1: her attack that might be I'm still not in a

896
00:42:55,040 --> 00:42:57,720
Speaker 1: position where I can realistically create a path to victory

897
00:42:57,719 --> 00:43:01,440
Speaker 1: in my mind, because this fighter is an alien. This

898
00:43:01,480 --> 00:43:05,960
Speaker 1: fighter is just the almost perfect Luke. This is an

899
00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:08,879
Speaker 1: almost perfect fighter that you're looking at at the absolute

900
00:43:09,040 --> 00:43:12,719
Speaker 1: peak apex of her of her greatness, And I'm just

901
00:43:12,760 --> 00:43:15,879
Speaker 1: saying not now, not this time, not this opponent I've

902
00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:19,719
Speaker 1: been wrong before, Thank you, Juliana Pana, But this ain't it, Luke.

903
00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:23,960
Speaker 2: I mean I was gonna say I would be prepared

904
00:43:24,040 --> 00:43:27,000
Speaker 2: for you know again, MMA is crazy, So you know,

905
00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:29,399
Speaker 2: take this with a grain of salt that everyone has

906
00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:32,840
Speaker 2: to understand that, you know, making bold predictions in MMA

907
00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:35,040
Speaker 2: is not wise. But one thing I would say you

908
00:43:35,080 --> 00:43:38,080
Speaker 2: should at least consider. This fight could be quite boring.

909
00:43:38,320 --> 00:43:41,040
Speaker 2: It could be quite boring because Santos might find herself

910
00:43:41,040 --> 00:43:44,080
Speaker 2: in a position where she's really not able to exact

911
00:43:44,200 --> 00:43:46,239
Speaker 2: much damage or land with a whole lot, and then

912
00:43:46,239 --> 00:43:49,759
Speaker 2: Schifchenko is a little bit ahead of her, maybe it

913
00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:52,239
Speaker 2: gets a takedown, doesn't necessarily do a whole lot with it,

914
00:43:52,600 --> 00:43:54,600
Speaker 2: and so you're like, okay, you'll lean towards the champion.

915
00:43:54,640 --> 00:43:57,680
Speaker 2: But nothing really of significance happens either way, more so

916
00:43:57,760 --> 00:43:59,920
Speaker 2: for Schefchenko than the other way around. But you know,

917
00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:01,600
Speaker 2: and it could be five rounds of that. This could

918
00:44:01,680 --> 00:44:03,719
Speaker 2: not This could very well be the kind of thing

919
00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:07,000
Speaker 2: that doesn't would be very impressive in the sense that,

920
00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:09,440
Speaker 2: you know, it would be another title defense for Schevchenko,

921
00:44:09,520 --> 00:44:13,000
Speaker 2: but not the one you look back on as Oh right,

922
00:44:13,080 --> 00:44:15,399
Speaker 2: this was one of the most dynamic performances of her

923
00:44:15,400 --> 00:44:17,319
Speaker 2: career again, I'm gonna go back to it. Chifchenko can

924
00:44:17,440 --> 00:44:22,360
Speaker 2: retreat to relatively defensive postures in terms of how she fights.

925
00:44:22,560 --> 00:44:24,600
Speaker 2: This is not like Jessica I, who's gonna march her

926
00:44:24,600 --> 00:44:26,759
Speaker 2: down and then just get timed by virtue of the

927
00:44:26,760 --> 00:44:29,839
Speaker 2: way in which she's galloping in. Santos is much more

928
00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:33,080
Speaker 2: clever than that, So I would be cautious about this one.

929
00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:36,879
Speaker 2: I don't really see a clear path for Santos to win,

930
00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:39,480
Speaker 2: but I would very much caution folks being like, oh, well,

931
00:44:39,560 --> 00:44:42,200
Speaker 2: Chevchenko's just some beast. She's gonna knock her head off.

932
00:44:43,239 --> 00:44:44,799
Speaker 2: I don't know about that either.

933
00:44:45,480 --> 00:44:47,040
Speaker 1: So you're saying it may end up having to be

934
00:44:47,080 --> 00:44:49,480
Speaker 1: a four rounds to one for Schifchenko. But you're like, man,

935
00:44:49,520 --> 00:44:52,440
Speaker 1: that was way more competitive, and but you know the

936
00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:55,400
Speaker 1: thing that doesn't give me any worries should Santos overachieve,

937
00:44:56,000 --> 00:44:58,120
Speaker 1: you know, more than we think, but not enough to

938
00:44:58,120 --> 00:45:02,880
Speaker 1: take over the fight that Chefchenko could be threatened to lose,

939
00:45:02,920 --> 00:45:04,840
Speaker 1: you know, a backdoor decision on a lack of output

940
00:45:04,920 --> 00:45:06,360
Speaker 1: because you couldn't argue. You can look back on the

941
00:45:06,440 --> 00:45:08,960
Speaker 1: Jennifer Maya fight and even though she wasn't compromised me

942
00:45:09,080 --> 00:45:12,360
Speaker 1: in the champion uh physically from like taking big damage

943
00:45:12,600 --> 00:45:15,440
Speaker 1: strategically in the way you look and potentially judge the rounds.

944
00:45:15,440 --> 00:45:18,720
Speaker 1: With the wrestling success of Maya, there were adjustments needed

945
00:45:19,160 --> 00:45:21,719
Speaker 1: and you did see chef Chenko in the Championship rounds Luke,

946
00:45:22,080 --> 00:45:24,239
Speaker 1: you know, speed up her output and really try to

947
00:45:24,280 --> 00:45:27,640
Speaker 1: take it to Maya on the feet. Now, is Talia

948
00:45:27,680 --> 00:45:30,120
Speaker 1: Santo's a more dangerous threat on the feet than Jennifer Maya?

949
00:45:30,120 --> 00:45:32,040
Speaker 1: I would say, of course. So it may not be

950
00:45:32,160 --> 00:45:35,279
Speaker 1: that cut and clean and easy, but you know, I

951
00:45:35,400 --> 00:45:37,839
Speaker 1: just again I can't find a hole in Chefchenko's game

952
00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:40,440
Speaker 1: that can be exploited in this matchup. But you know,

953
00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:42,239
Speaker 1: that's why we tune in, That's why we watch them.

954
00:45:42,239 --> 00:45:44,000
Speaker 1: And again, I hate to put that as a damper

955
00:45:44,040 --> 00:45:45,719
Speaker 1: on a fight that I got excited when it was

956
00:45:45,760 --> 00:45:48,040
Speaker 1: booked for all the right reasons. And it's still going

957
00:45:48,120 --> 00:45:50,359
Speaker 1: to be interesting to watch come Saturday Night Live.

958
00:45:50,600 --> 00:45:53,239
Speaker 2: I mean, just just consider this, right, just consider this

959
00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:58,120
Speaker 2: strikes absorbed per minute for Valentina Chevchenko one point eighty seven.

960
00:45:58,320 --> 00:46:00,239
Speaker 2: Do they can barely land a glove on her? That

961
00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:04,440
Speaker 2: is so insanely low, not just for any fighter, but

962
00:46:04,480 --> 00:46:06,600
Speaker 2: for a ranked fighter, and especially for a ranked fighter

963
00:46:06,600 --> 00:46:09,279
Speaker 2: who's got this many fights in the UFC. She just

964
00:46:09,320 --> 00:46:12,000
Speaker 2: doesn't get hit very cleanly, very often. She doesn't take

965
00:46:12,040 --> 00:46:15,200
Speaker 2: a lot of damage. Her takedown defense at seventy seven percent,

966
00:46:15,239 --> 00:46:17,840
Speaker 2: that's pretty good. Santo's, by the way, her takedown defense

967
00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:20,640
Speaker 2: at eighty eight percent, which is also pretty good. And

968
00:46:20,680 --> 00:46:23,640
Speaker 2: they both can I mean again, I hate to use

969
00:46:23,640 --> 00:46:25,759
Speaker 2: this word we see and I really want to avoid it.

970
00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:28,719
Speaker 2: I can't stand when a good athlete is described as

971
00:46:28,760 --> 00:46:31,000
Speaker 2: like a poor man's version of like a great athlete

972
00:46:31,360 --> 00:46:34,320
Speaker 2: or a very very elite athlete. It's just that Tyler

973
00:46:34,440 --> 00:46:37,680
Speaker 2: Santos happens to be good at many of the same

974
00:46:37,760 --> 00:46:41,560
Speaker 2: things that Chevchenko is just a half step behind, just

975
00:46:41,600 --> 00:46:44,319
Speaker 2: a half step behind all the way. So she could

976
00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:46,359
Speaker 2: make it competitive, she could have the fight of her night.

977
00:46:46,719 --> 00:46:50,400
Speaker 2: But she's gonna have to show us something against Chevchenko

978
00:46:50,960 --> 00:46:53,120
Speaker 2: that while the stats speak to her how good she is,

979
00:46:53,320 --> 00:46:55,520
Speaker 2: there's going to have to be another level she reaches,

980
00:46:55,520 --> 00:46:58,360
Speaker 2: which she might certainly possible. But remember, Tyler Santo's just

981
00:46:58,480 --> 00:47:01,160
Speaker 2: nineteen and one, dude, They don't There's not a lot

982
00:47:01,160 --> 00:47:02,319
Speaker 2: of gaps in her game. Either.

983
00:47:03,239 --> 00:47:05,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I look back and I thought the

984
00:47:05,000 --> 00:47:07,720
Speaker 1: Androge fight would be competitive, and then you know, when

985
00:47:07,840 --> 00:47:12,000
Speaker 1: Valentina did absolutely destroy her, you go, okay, But you know,

986
00:47:12,040 --> 00:47:14,880
Speaker 1: Andrage is sort of a one note fighter, so I

987
00:47:14,920 --> 00:47:16,759
Speaker 1: could see where she could be exposed if you can

988
00:47:16,760 --> 00:47:19,400
Speaker 1: take her to that point. Santos is so well rounded

989
00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:21,520
Speaker 1: that I'm pretty confident this one's going the distance. Luke,

990
00:47:21,560 --> 00:47:24,160
Speaker 1: I like Valentina by decision, couldn't she finish her? Of course?

991
00:47:24,239 --> 00:47:26,719
Speaker 1: But I'm going to give Santos the respect and say

992
00:47:26,760 --> 00:47:28,600
Speaker 1: that she is going to make Chifchenko have to make

993
00:47:28,640 --> 00:47:31,319
Speaker 1: adjustments to it, to some things, but in the end,

994
00:47:31,320 --> 00:47:33,560
Speaker 1: who's going to do the better work? Dude. The thing

995
00:47:33,560 --> 00:47:35,680
Speaker 1: about Schifchenko, I think above all else what I love.

996
00:47:35,840 --> 00:47:39,200
Speaker 1: Her accuracy is just ridiculous, and it allowed her to

997
00:47:39,200 --> 00:47:41,960
Speaker 1: be an undersized sharpshooter at bantam weight, but at one

998
00:47:42,080 --> 00:47:44,839
Speaker 1: twenty five when the size is more even Luke, I mean,

999
00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:47,000
Speaker 1: she just doesn't miss whether she's kind of punching, whether

1000
00:47:47,040 --> 00:47:49,279
Speaker 1: she's leading with the jab, whether she's throwing combos to

1001
00:47:49,320 --> 00:47:52,719
Speaker 1: the body kicks. I mean, she is just so on

1002
00:47:52,920 --> 00:47:54,640
Speaker 1: point that it is going to be hard to get

1003
00:47:54,640 --> 00:47:57,560
Speaker 1: a decision against her. Let's go four rounds to one Chiffchenko. Yeah.

1004
00:47:57,600 --> 00:47:59,120
Speaker 2: Yeah. By the way, to your point, I mean, this

1005
00:47:59,160 --> 00:48:01,920
Speaker 2: is what I mean about difference between Chefchenko and Santo's

1006
00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:05,520
Speaker 2: right Chifchenko striking accuracy fifty two percent, that's pretty good

1007
00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:09,879
Speaker 2: striking accuracy for Santos fifty just a tick behind. This

1008
00:48:09,920 --> 00:48:12,279
Speaker 2: is what I mean. You see this constantly, just a

1009
00:48:12,360 --> 00:48:15,520
Speaker 2: little tick behind in all kinds of ways. So I

1010
00:48:15,560 --> 00:48:17,480
Speaker 2: take your point. I agree with you. I think Scheffchenko's

1011
00:48:17,480 --> 00:48:19,600
Speaker 2: gonna win probably, you know, four rounds to one something

1012
00:48:19,640 --> 00:48:21,759
Speaker 2: like that as well. I share your pick, but I

1013
00:48:21,760 --> 00:48:25,560
Speaker 2: would caution folks, Oh, the one little note here Santos

1014
00:48:25,600 --> 00:48:28,920
Speaker 2: does have a two inch reach advantage could be noteworthy. Also,

1015
00:48:29,000 --> 00:48:31,520
Speaker 2: this is gonna be South Paul versus Orthodox open stance,

1016
00:48:31,800 --> 00:48:34,960
Speaker 2: which means there could be there is a little bit

1017
00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:37,839
Speaker 2: of a propensity for what that could mean with headkicks,

1018
00:48:38,160 --> 00:48:41,480
Speaker 2: body kicks, straits and crosses. Given when you had that

1019
00:48:41,520 --> 00:48:44,120
Speaker 2: opposite stance there, that could get a little interesting. Also

1020
00:48:44,160 --> 00:48:46,799
Speaker 2: headbutts too, so something to pay attention to with that.

1021
00:48:46,840 --> 00:48:48,480
Speaker 2: But I agree with your assessment. Four rounds to one

1022
00:48:48,520 --> 00:48:51,560
Speaker 2: probably for Schifchenko, I certainly think she wins here, all right.

1023
00:48:51,600 --> 00:48:54,480
Speaker 1: The only non title fight of this trio of big

1024
00:48:54,520 --> 00:48:56,920
Speaker 1: fight stopping the card is arguably the best one here

1025
00:48:56,920 --> 00:48:59,640
Speaker 1: and certainly the people's main event from the fan love standpoint.

1026
00:49:00,000 --> 00:49:02,680
Speaker 1: A rematch of former one hundred and fifteen pound champions

1027
00:49:02,960 --> 00:49:06,279
Speaker 1: Jung Way Lee and You'll Wanna Young jcheck Way Lee

1028
00:49:06,360 --> 00:49:09,879
Speaker 1: with the disputed but earned, of course, split decision win

1029
00:49:09,960 --> 00:49:13,560
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty, right before the pandemic, the greatest fighting

1030
00:49:13,560 --> 00:49:17,960
Speaker 1: female anime history, and both Luke fighting again for another

1031
00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:20,520
Speaker 1: shot at the title, something Dana White doubled down on

1032
00:49:20,600 --> 00:49:24,279
Speaker 1: again this week. Absolutely, this is a number one contenders match, Luke.

1033
00:49:24,320 --> 00:49:27,160
Speaker 1: I know I said things on Monday that we made

1034
00:49:27,200 --> 00:49:29,040
Speaker 1: it confusing. It made it sound like I thought this

1035
00:49:29,160 --> 00:49:32,319
Speaker 1: was a five round fight. I was referencing. I was

1036
00:49:32,360 --> 00:49:35,160
Speaker 1: referencing when it was originally thrown out there by Yowana,

1037
00:49:35,200 --> 00:49:36,960
Speaker 1: that if the fans wanted five rounds, it could be,

1038
00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:39,600
Speaker 1: and I was sort of tailoring my an early analysis

1039
00:49:39,600 --> 00:49:41,680
Speaker 1: toward that. I do know that it is now three rounds,

1040
00:49:41,719 --> 00:49:44,239
Speaker 1: although I mistakenly said, you know, could it be four

1041
00:49:44,280 --> 00:49:46,279
Speaker 1: rounds to one, which makes you think, forget about it.

1042
00:49:46,280 --> 00:49:51,320
Speaker 1: It's three rounds on a surface. Okay, we already laid

1043
00:49:51,320 --> 00:49:54,720
Speaker 1: the foundation of two years later. Yo Wanna hasn't fought,

1044
00:49:54,760 --> 00:49:57,920
Speaker 1: but she's refreshed. Way Lee lost twice to Rosnama units,

1045
00:49:57,960 --> 00:50:00,880
Speaker 1: but she seems not only refreshed, but I'll a better fighter.

1046
00:50:01,360 --> 00:50:04,640
Speaker 1: How much will the three round distance impact the pace,

1047
00:50:05,160 --> 00:50:08,759
Speaker 1: the strategy, everything We're gonna see Saturday night, because it's

1048
00:50:08,800 --> 00:50:10,719
Speaker 1: so damn rare to see either of these fighters in

1049
00:50:10,760 --> 00:50:11,719
Speaker 1: a big three round fight.

1050
00:50:14,560 --> 00:50:17,400
Speaker 2: Dude, So I rewatched the first fight last night. I

1051
00:50:17,440 --> 00:50:19,920
Speaker 2: gotta tell you there are so many different ways this

1052
00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:22,319
Speaker 2: could go. I was blown away by just.

1053
00:50:23,760 --> 00:50:23,880
Speaker 4: So.

1054
00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:25,799
Speaker 2: The biggest first thing I saw was a lot of

1055
00:50:25,800 --> 00:50:29,400
Speaker 2: the leg kicks. Now there were a consistent presence for Yoanna,

1056
00:50:29,440 --> 00:50:31,480
Speaker 2: but she had to kind of dial them back early

1057
00:50:31,520 --> 00:50:34,160
Speaker 2: in the second round because she was getting timed and

1058
00:50:34,160 --> 00:50:36,040
Speaker 2: blitzed off of him by Jean Way Lee. So to

1059
00:50:36,040 --> 00:50:40,000
Speaker 2: what extent is the kicking game going to be distributed head, body,

1060
00:50:40,120 --> 00:50:42,040
Speaker 2: and then leg. That's a big question mark for me.

1061
00:50:42,320 --> 00:50:46,080
Speaker 2: Another one was you saw Jeong Way Lee saying she's

1062
00:50:46,080 --> 00:50:48,279
Speaker 2: gonna wrestle more now she's with Henry Shudo. You saw

1063
00:50:48,280 --> 00:50:50,840
Speaker 2: her catch kicks a little bit in the fight with Juanna,

1064
00:50:50,880 --> 00:50:53,080
Speaker 2: but you saw her catch a bunch in the case

1065
00:50:53,120 --> 00:50:55,520
Speaker 2: of rosnama unis so dude, Like you know that the

1066
00:50:55,520 --> 00:50:59,160
Speaker 2: punching power of Yuanni and j Check is not significant.

1067
00:50:59,160 --> 00:51:00,919
Speaker 2: I think that's pretty fair to say. She can land

1068
00:51:00,960 --> 00:51:02,920
Speaker 2: and it matters and it hurts opponents. But you think

1069
00:51:02,960 --> 00:51:05,120
Speaker 2: of the more devastating things she's done. It's leg kicking,

1070
00:51:05,120 --> 00:51:07,840
Speaker 2: it's elbowing along the fence line. Her elbows are vicious.

1071
00:51:08,080 --> 00:51:10,120
Speaker 2: I certainly grant her that, But the punching power is

1072
00:51:10,160 --> 00:51:13,160
Speaker 2: not super significant in this weight class, So the kicking

1073
00:51:13,160 --> 00:51:14,239
Speaker 2: game is gonna have to be a part of it.

1074
00:51:14,280 --> 00:51:16,680
Speaker 2: To what extent can Jong wy Lee neutralize that? On

1075
00:51:16,719 --> 00:51:19,040
Speaker 2: the other hand, one thing that did seem kind of

1076
00:51:19,040 --> 00:51:20,480
Speaker 2: interesting to me is Jeong y Lee is a very

1077
00:51:20,480 --> 00:51:23,960
Speaker 2: good athlete, but her ground control is not super strong.

1078
00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:26,319
Speaker 2: She's a little loose with her positioning, and so as

1079
00:51:26,320 --> 00:51:28,319
Speaker 2: a consequence, Rose is able to like kick her off

1080
00:51:28,360 --> 00:51:31,000
Speaker 2: and stand numerous times. To what extent will she try

1081
00:51:31,000 --> 00:51:32,879
Speaker 2: and like, you know, have a much more like I'm

1082
00:51:32,880 --> 00:51:35,400
Speaker 2: gonna wrap the head with my arm to control the

1083
00:51:35,960 --> 00:51:38,239
Speaker 2: spine at the two opposite ends. What's that going to

1084
00:51:38,320 --> 00:51:41,160
Speaker 2: be like to be able to get up. Another one

1085
00:51:41,239 --> 00:51:43,239
Speaker 2: was you know you heard the commentators being like, oh well,

1086
00:51:43,320 --> 00:51:44,920
Speaker 2: John wy Lee is stronger in the clinch, and that's

1087
00:51:44,960 --> 00:51:48,239
Speaker 2: gonna prove itself. It was somewhat neutral ish in the

1088
00:51:48,239 --> 00:51:51,359
Speaker 2: first fight BC, But what I did notice was if

1089
00:51:51,360 --> 00:51:53,960
Speaker 2: you asked me who got more offense in those positions,

1090
00:51:54,239 --> 00:51:56,200
Speaker 2: it was Yoanni and jcheck. She was able to do

1091
00:51:56,320 --> 00:51:59,760
Speaker 2: much more with those positions. Then in terms of meaningful

1092
00:51:59,760 --> 00:52:02,239
Speaker 2: off I'll say, than Jeong why Lee? So dude, you

1093
00:52:02,280 --> 00:52:04,440
Speaker 2: go back. You're asking about the three rounds. I think

1094
00:52:04,480 --> 00:52:06,919
Speaker 2: that's going to make the pace electric, But it's more

1095
00:52:07,080 --> 00:52:10,200
Speaker 2: about what changes are they going to have to make

1096
00:52:10,239 --> 00:52:12,880
Speaker 2: to get their best offense there? And the big challenge

1097
00:52:12,880 --> 00:52:15,279
Speaker 2: for you and Jchick is kicking is really her way

1098
00:52:15,360 --> 00:52:17,160
Speaker 2: to win this one. I think that's just going to

1099
00:52:17,200 --> 00:52:20,680
Speaker 2: be a reality. Yes, other things complementing. It's not just kicking,

1100
00:52:20,680 --> 00:52:24,960
Speaker 2: of course, but that's the big, big method of her offense.

1101
00:52:25,040 --> 00:52:26,759
Speaker 2: If Jong Way Lee can take away the leg kicks

1102
00:52:26,840 --> 00:52:29,640
Speaker 2: and or catch kicks and then constantly dump her for it,

1103
00:52:29,920 --> 00:52:32,960
Speaker 2: even if there's no meaningful offense, what is the secondary

1104
00:52:33,000 --> 00:52:35,759
Speaker 2: way for her to win? It's funny Yo Wanna is

1105
00:52:35,880 --> 00:52:40,480
Speaker 2: a crisper more I think direct kind of striker. She's

1106
00:52:40,520 --> 00:52:43,880
Speaker 2: just got real clear, clean technique. Jong Way Lee is

1107
00:52:43,880 --> 00:52:46,480
Speaker 2: a better athlete, but she's much more all over the

1108
00:52:46,520 --> 00:52:49,160
Speaker 2: place a little bit. And if she can dial that back,

1109
00:52:49,360 --> 00:52:51,439
Speaker 2: or conversely, if Yo wanna can open up a little

1110
00:52:51,440 --> 00:52:53,880
Speaker 2: bit due, this fight could look very different than the

1111
00:52:53,880 --> 00:52:56,120
Speaker 2: first one. I actually am more intrigued about this one.

1112
00:52:56,840 --> 00:52:58,960
Speaker 2: Maybe the main event I'm most intrigued about, but with

1113
00:52:59,040 --> 00:53:01,600
Speaker 2: any other fight in the car, it's definitely this one.

1114
00:53:01,640 --> 00:53:04,320
Speaker 2: This one could be, of course ordinary, but a completely

1115
00:53:04,320 --> 00:53:05,560
Speaker 2: different fight the second time around.

1116
00:53:05,880 --> 00:53:08,120
Speaker 1: Absolutely. I mean you just the fact that it's a

1117
00:53:08,160 --> 00:53:10,319
Speaker 1: rematch of the greatest you know, female fight of all

1118
00:53:10,400 --> 00:53:13,160
Speaker 1: time and really a top three or five, you know,

1119
00:53:13,239 --> 00:53:15,960
Speaker 1: regardless of gender fight if we're really being serious, and

1120
00:53:15,960 --> 00:53:17,680
Speaker 1: now you got the title on top of it, the

1121
00:53:17,680 --> 00:53:22,319
Speaker 1: title potential for the winner. Oh man, I mean, it's

1122
00:53:22,360 --> 00:53:25,600
Speaker 1: it's wild looke. They came in ridiculously good shape for this.

1123
00:53:25,640 --> 00:53:27,040
Speaker 1: Did you see them on the scales and then the

1124
00:53:27,080 --> 00:53:31,040
Speaker 1: face off like they are prepared to go after it?

1125
00:53:31,360 --> 00:53:34,520
Speaker 1: But your point about it is not only were we

1126
00:53:34,520 --> 00:53:36,120
Speaker 1: going to see a high pace? I think it's guaranteed

1127
00:53:36,160 --> 00:53:37,839
Speaker 1: when you go from five rounds to three and knowing

1128
00:53:37,880 --> 00:53:40,799
Speaker 1: it's a smaller, you know, window to get your offense in,

1129
00:53:40,840 --> 00:53:43,120
Speaker 1: of course, but it's gonna be the adjustments and the

1130
00:53:43,200 --> 00:53:44,960
Speaker 1: nuances that make it. And I don't know if you

1131
00:53:44,960 --> 00:53:48,279
Speaker 1: caught Bretto Komodo ESPN dot COM's oral history of their

1132
00:53:48,320 --> 00:53:51,160
Speaker 1: first fight, in which you chatted with both fighters, trainers,

1133
00:53:51,239 --> 00:53:54,239
Speaker 1: the ref, the one of the three judges. It's a good,

1134
00:53:54,400 --> 00:53:57,560
Speaker 1: you know, insightful piece. You hear Mike Brown, the coach

1135
00:53:57,600 --> 00:53:59,719
Speaker 1: of you know, Jay Check at att and you want

1136
00:53:59,719 --> 00:54:01,440
Speaker 1: to her off say. You know, they came in with

1137
00:54:01,440 --> 00:54:03,960
Speaker 1: a very different game plan that was going to be

1138
00:54:04,000 --> 00:54:06,040
Speaker 1: more about distance and kicks and a lot of things

1139
00:54:06,080 --> 00:54:09,560
Speaker 1: you're saying, Luke, but it turned instead into yo wanna

1140
00:54:09,680 --> 00:54:11,560
Speaker 1: just biting down and doing what she loves, which is

1141
00:54:11,640 --> 00:54:14,200
Speaker 1: just mauling and fighting and trying to prove to the

1142
00:54:14,200 --> 00:54:16,120
Speaker 1: other person that she can outlast them. And you know,

1143
00:54:16,200 --> 00:54:18,960
Speaker 1: she's out cardioed a lot of people with that sort

1144
00:54:19,000 --> 00:54:22,279
Speaker 1: of just ridiculous demon that she keeps inside of her loop.

1145
00:54:22,320 --> 00:54:25,879
Speaker 1: That's just gonna keep common at a huge pace. It's

1146
00:54:25,880 --> 00:54:28,799
Speaker 1: not that she didn't make slight adjustments and do certain things.

1147
00:54:28,840 --> 00:54:31,279
Speaker 1: I mean really both of them, as much as we

1148
00:54:31,320 --> 00:54:33,200
Speaker 1: think of it as two trains colliding over and over,

1149
00:54:33,760 --> 00:54:36,719
Speaker 1: if you rewatch it, like you mentioned, there is some adjustments.

1150
00:54:37,000 --> 00:54:41,799
Speaker 1: It still was arguably an overly aggressive Yoanna with the

1151
00:54:41,880 --> 00:54:47,080
Speaker 1: time off physically and mentally now being refreshed, could you

1152
00:54:47,160 --> 00:54:50,759
Speaker 1: see her and Mike Brown coming out with you know,

1153
00:54:50,800 --> 00:54:54,359
Speaker 1: still high pace, still movement based, but a lot more misdirection,

1154
00:54:54,520 --> 00:54:57,480
Speaker 1: a lot more control of distance. Yes, because if they

1155
00:54:57,520 --> 00:55:00,279
Speaker 1: do stand in trade, you know, I know I want

1156
00:55:00,280 --> 00:55:02,840
Speaker 1: to set in that Brett piece that everyone says Wayley's

1157
00:55:02,880 --> 00:55:05,160
Speaker 1: the bigger puncher, but you know, rewatch the fight. I'm

1158
00:55:05,200 --> 00:55:06,759
Speaker 1: the one land in the bigger shots, and she's not

1159
00:55:06,800 --> 00:55:09,399
Speaker 1: catching me as clean as people think. I don't think

1160
00:55:09,400 --> 00:55:11,440
Speaker 1: you want to stand in trade with Wayley in the rematch,

1161
00:55:11,480 --> 00:55:14,040
Speaker 1: She's even stronger and even better of a fighter. There.

1162
00:55:15,360 --> 00:55:17,919
Speaker 1: What do you see from coach Mike Thomas Brown here

1163
00:55:18,080 --> 00:55:19,600
Speaker 1: in yo Wanna in terms of how they might look

1164
00:55:19,640 --> 00:55:19,840
Speaker 1: at this.

1165
00:55:20,360 --> 00:55:23,520
Speaker 2: Faints faints And I know that's sort of like an

1166
00:55:23,520 --> 00:55:25,399
Speaker 2: overused thing here, but you go back and you watch

1167
00:55:25,440 --> 00:55:28,200
Speaker 2: the first fight. Johanna was fainting a lot in the

1168
00:55:28,200 --> 00:55:31,120
Speaker 2: first round and then just gave it up. Completely, you know,

1169
00:55:31,160 --> 00:55:32,959
Speaker 2: and for the reasons you stated, like it just turned

1170
00:55:32,960 --> 00:55:35,000
Speaker 2: into it just the fight turned into what it turned into,

1171
00:55:35,080 --> 00:55:37,840
Speaker 2: which is better for us. And it was a tremendous contest,

1172
00:55:38,160 --> 00:55:40,200
Speaker 2: but Yo Wanna kind of gave up on that early.

1173
00:55:40,239 --> 00:55:41,759
Speaker 2: And again that was part of the light kicks too.

1174
00:55:41,800 --> 00:55:43,040
Speaker 2: She was kind of faint and fainting and then trying

1175
00:55:43,040 --> 00:55:45,480
Speaker 2: to get a leg kick and then all Jean Wiley

1176
00:55:45,560 --> 00:55:48,440
Speaker 2: was waiting for was the leg kicks to then blitz.

1177
00:55:48,480 --> 00:55:50,799
Speaker 2: But I really believe to that point, Like there's a

1178
00:55:50,800 --> 00:55:52,960
Speaker 2: couple of times, for example, you'll see you want to

1179
00:55:53,160 --> 00:55:56,560
Speaker 2: duck in, come in to throw a shot whatever, come

1180
00:55:56,600 --> 00:55:59,000
Speaker 2: over the top, and then just stand right back up. Now,

1181
00:55:59,000 --> 00:56:00,560
Speaker 2: why do I bring this point out up? Because if

1182
00:56:00,560 --> 00:56:02,399
Speaker 2: you come in like this and then you stand up,

1183
00:56:02,719 --> 00:56:04,840
Speaker 2: it doesn't matter that your head is lowered, it's still

1184
00:56:04,880 --> 00:56:08,040
Speaker 2: on the same vertical or i should say horizontal line.

1185
00:56:08,080 --> 00:56:11,080
Speaker 2: The vertical line changes, sorry, the vertical space changes, but

1186
00:56:11,120 --> 00:56:13,480
Speaker 2: the horizontal line is simply right there in front of you.

1187
00:56:13,560 --> 00:56:15,400
Speaker 2: So you would just see Jong why Lee match it

1188
00:56:15,440 --> 00:56:17,040
Speaker 2: and then come up with the left hook because the

1189
00:56:17,080 --> 00:56:19,520
Speaker 2: head didn't move. What you need to see, I think

1190
00:56:19,560 --> 00:56:21,719
Speaker 2: from Yohana in this fight are feints, and I'm going

1191
00:56:21,800 --> 00:56:25,360
Speaker 2: to add angles on top of that. Angles, angles, angles, angles.

1192
00:56:25,560 --> 00:56:27,560
Speaker 2: If you can misdirect, if you can get her to

1193
00:56:27,560 --> 00:56:29,400
Speaker 2: stutter step, if you can get the timing or the

1194
00:56:29,480 --> 00:56:32,560
Speaker 2: hands to transfer defense, that's big. But if you're just

1195
00:56:32,560 --> 00:56:34,880
Speaker 2: going in there and slugging it out with someone who Yes,

1196
00:56:35,200 --> 00:56:37,640
Speaker 2: I do think that Yo Wanna is a better striker

1197
00:56:37,640 --> 00:56:41,080
Speaker 2: than Jeong Wi Lee, but not by necessarily a huge margin.

1198
00:56:41,280 --> 00:56:44,120
Speaker 2: It's significant, but not that big. But I also think

1199
00:56:44,160 --> 00:56:46,080
Speaker 2: b Seen, I think you would agree again. I scored

1200
00:56:46,080 --> 00:56:48,560
Speaker 2: the first fight for Yo Wanna. The big difference to

1201
00:56:48,600 --> 00:56:51,440
Speaker 2: me was power and athleticism and a little bit of durability.

1202
00:56:52,120 --> 00:56:53,960
Speaker 2: That's a I'm not saying you want to can't win

1203
00:56:54,480 --> 00:56:58,560
Speaker 2: playing that game again, but dude, that's probably not your

1204
00:56:58,600 --> 00:57:00,880
Speaker 2: best method of victory. You're the best method of victory

1205
00:57:00,920 --> 00:57:03,239
Speaker 2: is going to be getting in, getting out, getting in,

1206
00:57:03,400 --> 00:57:06,480
Speaker 2: changing angles, and then popping her after that. That's got

1207
00:57:06,480 --> 00:57:07,719
Speaker 2: to be the key. And the key to doing that

1208
00:57:07,800 --> 00:57:11,200
Speaker 2: is going to be faints, footwork and angles, rolling under hooks,

1209
00:57:11,400 --> 00:57:13,759
Speaker 2: you know, changing, pivoting, all that kind of stuff. She

1210
00:57:13,840 --> 00:57:16,360
Speaker 2: has to really put that into this because if it's

1211
00:57:16,440 --> 00:57:19,560
Speaker 2: just two bulls or two rams running into each other. Hey,

1212
00:57:19,560 --> 00:57:21,120
Speaker 2: that's a hell of a fight for us. And again

1213
00:57:21,160 --> 00:57:22,880
Speaker 2: the first time I did think you want, I should

1214
00:57:22,880 --> 00:57:24,919
Speaker 2: have gotten her hand raised. But that's a you can imed,

1215
00:57:25,040 --> 00:57:28,640
Speaker 2: you can admit, dude, that's a that's a really sketchy proposition.

1216
00:57:28,720 --> 00:57:32,400
Speaker 2: That's hardly any kind of clear roadmap to success. And

1217
00:57:32,440 --> 00:57:34,360
Speaker 2: you've only got three rounds too. We see some of

1218
00:57:34,400 --> 00:57:36,000
Speaker 2: the better rounds for you want to happen a little

1219
00:57:36,000 --> 00:57:38,520
Speaker 2: bit later in the fight. Absolutely, this has got to

1220
00:57:38,560 --> 00:57:41,440
Speaker 2: be This has got to be a smarter fight. I

1221
00:57:41,480 --> 00:57:42,840
Speaker 2: think for yo Wan if she wants to.

1222
00:57:42,760 --> 00:57:46,480
Speaker 1: Win, think about the second Claudia Goodella fight from twenty sixteen,

1223
00:57:46,560 --> 00:57:50,760
Speaker 1: the title fight UFC two hundred weekend. That was Goodell

1224
00:57:50,800 --> 00:57:52,680
Speaker 1: h winning the first two round the first two and

1225
00:57:52,680 --> 00:57:56,080
Speaker 1: a half rounds really with with wrestling and pace, and

1226
00:57:56,120 --> 00:57:58,200
Speaker 1: then once she started to fade just a bit from

1227
00:57:58,240 --> 00:58:00,960
Speaker 1: all the energy she used, you'll want comes on because

1228
00:58:01,000 --> 00:58:05,120
Speaker 1: she's just a cardio fitness freak. In three rounds, she's

1229
00:58:05,160 --> 00:58:07,880
Speaker 1: gonna have to do a lot, but it's gonna have

1230
00:58:07,960 --> 00:58:10,400
Speaker 1: to be not always moving forward. It's like we're saying

1231
00:58:10,400 --> 00:58:13,640
Speaker 1: the feints, the circling away but you see the shape sheet.

1232
00:58:13,680 --> 00:58:16,240
Speaker 1: I mean, look, she's in sick shape this time around,

1233
00:58:16,280 --> 00:58:19,040
Speaker 1: as is way Lee. I wonder if that. I mean,

1234
00:58:19,040 --> 00:58:21,480
Speaker 1: that's gotta be the lack of power, and Yoana forces

1235
00:58:21,520 --> 00:58:23,720
Speaker 1: her to have to use her cardio and her speed

1236
00:58:23,760 --> 00:58:26,120
Speaker 1: and her pace as a weapon. So I think that's

1237
00:58:26,160 --> 00:58:29,560
Speaker 1: automatic in this case. But you said you scored it

1238
00:58:29,600 --> 00:58:31,520
Speaker 1: for Yuana. I scored it three to two for way Ley.

1239
00:58:31,600 --> 00:58:33,800
Speaker 1: But I think we both can say it's a coin flip.

1240
00:58:33,840 --> 00:58:35,800
Speaker 1: But if you're gonna ask me, why did I ultimately

1241
00:58:35,840 --> 00:58:38,680
Speaker 1: score it three to two for Wayle. I thought she

1242
00:58:38,760 --> 00:58:42,040
Speaker 1: landed the harder blows, so if the offense is fairly even,

1243
00:58:42,760 --> 00:58:44,880
Speaker 1: it looked like she did more damage. And why did

1244
00:58:44,880 --> 00:58:47,440
Speaker 1: it look like, well, there's a giant thing growing out

1245
00:58:47,440 --> 00:58:49,280
Speaker 1: of Joanna's head. So let me ask you this, Luke,

1246
00:58:49,320 --> 00:58:52,280
Speaker 1: because if you do read that Okamodo piece, Joanna says, look,

1247
00:58:52,960 --> 00:58:55,080
Speaker 1: it was my body's reaction to like a you know,

1248
00:58:55,120 --> 00:58:57,760
Speaker 1: blood vessel being popped or whatever happens to create a

1249
00:58:57,760 --> 00:59:00,840
Speaker 1: hematoma like that. But she's like, it didn't her. These

1250
00:59:01,640 --> 00:59:04,360
Speaker 1: punches that way they were landing weren't as big as

1251
00:59:04,360 --> 00:59:06,480
Speaker 1: people thought they looked. I was getting out of the

1252
00:59:06,480 --> 00:59:09,280
Speaker 1: way a lot of those, but she believes the visual

1253
00:59:09,440 --> 00:59:12,960
Speaker 1: image is ultimately what swayed the judge is in a

1254
00:59:13,000 --> 00:59:16,520
Speaker 1: fight that's so damn close. Now, look, the thing started

1255
00:59:17,000 --> 00:59:18,960
Speaker 1: really in round three. It was a head button round

1256
00:59:18,960 --> 00:59:20,880
Speaker 1: one that started it, but it really went big in

1257
00:59:20,960 --> 00:59:23,760
Speaker 1: round three, and all three judges scored that round for Youana,

1258
00:59:23,760 --> 00:59:25,280
Speaker 1: And that's the only round of the five rounds were

1259
00:59:25,280 --> 00:59:28,080
Speaker 1: all three judges agreed. So you can argue, but do

1260
00:59:28,160 --> 00:59:30,720
Speaker 1: you think there's something there that if you do look

1261
00:59:30,760 --> 00:59:33,880
Speaker 1: back at the first fight and take away that hematoma

1262
00:59:33,920 --> 00:59:36,120
Speaker 1: if you can in your mind, did you want to

1263
00:59:36,240 --> 00:59:38,840
Speaker 1: visually have the better striking night? And should she have

1264
00:59:38,920 --> 00:59:41,640
Speaker 1: gotten the hand raised? And how much do you believe

1265
00:59:41,680 --> 00:59:46,600
Speaker 1: that grotesque softball potentially in rounds four and five swayed

1266
00:59:46,600 --> 00:59:47,439
Speaker 1: the judges the other way?

1267
00:59:48,080 --> 00:59:51,320
Speaker 2: I am less sympathetic to that being a contributing factor.

1268
00:59:51,360 --> 00:59:54,120
Speaker 2: I mean, I certainly recognize it probably did. I'm not

1269
00:59:54,120 --> 00:59:56,080
Speaker 2: going to say that, oh, it played no role. It

1270
00:59:56,120 --> 00:59:58,480
Speaker 2: probably played a role, But this was the bigger one

1271
00:59:58,520 --> 00:59:59,880
Speaker 2: to me, and this was the one knock. Like when

1272
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:01,840
Speaker 2: I was watching it yesterday, I was like, through three rounds,

1273
01:00:01,840 --> 01:00:03,360
Speaker 2: I was like, how did I score this fight for Yuana,

1274
01:00:03,360 --> 01:00:04,840
Speaker 2: and then she kind of came on a little bit later,

1275
01:00:05,600 --> 01:00:07,400
Speaker 2: although you could say she won the first one as well,

1276
01:00:07,440 --> 01:00:10,440
Speaker 2: but the first round. But the point that I want

1277
01:00:10,440 --> 01:00:12,640
Speaker 2: to make was, and one thing I did maybe not

1278
01:00:12,680 --> 01:00:14,160
Speaker 2: pay as much attention to the first time that I

1279
01:00:14,120 --> 01:00:16,200
Speaker 2: did see the second one, which I think maybe contributed

1280
01:00:16,240 --> 01:00:18,160
Speaker 2: to why folks scored it for Jeong Why Lee, which

1281
01:00:18,160 --> 01:00:22,560
Speaker 2: I share your assessment, is a utterly reasonable scorecard. Dude.

1282
01:00:22,560 --> 01:00:25,360
Speaker 2: When when Jong White Lee hit her, she moved a

1283
01:00:25,360 --> 01:00:28,720
Speaker 2: lot more, and when Yo Wanna hit her, it wasn't

1284
01:00:28,800 --> 01:00:31,120
Speaker 2: quite like that. Now Yo Wanna did bloody her up,

1285
01:00:31,160 --> 01:00:33,040
Speaker 2: swoll her face up. Don't get me wrong. After five

1286
01:00:33,120 --> 01:00:35,400
Speaker 2: rounds of that, neither of them were coming out of

1287
01:00:35,440 --> 01:00:37,800
Speaker 2: there looking like they were ready for the prom But

1288
01:00:38,280 --> 01:00:40,240
Speaker 2: you know, you could see there were times where she

1289
01:00:40,240 --> 01:00:43,080
Speaker 2: would stumble Yoanna, even if it was not like rocking

1290
01:00:43,120 --> 01:00:45,800
Speaker 2: her of just the force of the impact pushing her

1291
01:00:45,840 --> 01:00:48,120
Speaker 2: off of her base, pushing her off of her balance.

1292
01:00:48,520 --> 01:00:50,240
Speaker 2: I think there was a lot of those that made

1293
01:00:50,240 --> 01:00:51,720
Speaker 2: a big difference. Also, I'm going to go back to

1294
01:00:51,760 --> 01:00:54,520
Speaker 2: a BC. You know, you can say whether this should

1295
01:00:54,640 --> 01:00:56,840
Speaker 2: matter or shouldn't, or it's applied on evenly. I'd go

1296
01:00:56,880 --> 01:00:58,360
Speaker 2: back to the fact that usual a lout of Sonya

1297
01:00:58,480 --> 01:01:01,000
Speaker 2: or a Desina or a Dasagna. I don't know how

1298
01:01:01,000 --> 01:01:03,240
Speaker 2: to say it. The point is a lot of times

1299
01:01:03,320 --> 01:01:05,840
Speaker 2: he accumulates leg kicks, and a lot of folks don't

1300
01:01:05,920 --> 01:01:08,360
Speaker 2: like that, and it can get real difficult to assess

1301
01:01:08,400 --> 01:01:11,080
Speaker 2: what's the difference between that and then someone punching him

1302
01:01:11,280 --> 01:01:13,640
Speaker 2: and rocking his head back. But dude, getting your head

1303
01:01:13,720 --> 01:01:17,120
Speaker 2: rocked back is a very demonstrative thing. Unless you stumble

1304
01:01:17,160 --> 01:01:19,080
Speaker 2: on the leg on a leg kick, you know it

1305
01:01:19,120 --> 01:01:21,200
Speaker 2: doesn't look the same way. Even though those leg kicks

1306
01:01:21,240 --> 01:01:22,920
Speaker 2: could be impactful, I guess the point I'm trying to

1307
01:01:22,960 --> 01:01:26,560
Speaker 2: make is the better athlete there's only the stronger athlete

1308
01:01:26,600 --> 01:01:30,080
Speaker 2: of the two is Jean Wi Lee, and her punching

1309
01:01:30,120 --> 01:01:32,720
Speaker 2: power appears to be much more significant, and I think

1310
01:01:32,840 --> 01:01:36,480
Speaker 2: that over time was probably a bigger role to play there.

1311
01:01:36,520 --> 01:01:39,680
Speaker 2: Although they both landed elbows on each other and both

1312
01:01:39,720 --> 01:01:41,720
Speaker 2: of those elbows caused visible damage as well.

1313
01:01:42,560 --> 01:01:48,000
Speaker 1: Absolutely, Luke, if we paint that potential scenario where it

1314
01:01:48,040 --> 01:01:51,000
Speaker 1: did the visual, you know her your honest chances on

1315
01:01:51,080 --> 01:01:52,840
Speaker 1: the way Lee side, even though she didn't make it

1316
01:01:52,840 --> 01:01:54,840
Speaker 1: in that story a point to try to make it

1317
01:01:54,840 --> 01:01:56,880
Speaker 1: as an excuse, but just telling her stories, sometimes we

1318
01:01:56,960 --> 01:01:59,760
Speaker 1: forget that this might happen right before the pandemic, but

1319
01:01:59,800 --> 01:02:02,680
Speaker 1: things were already starting to shut down, and Jehn Whaley's

1320
01:02:02,720 --> 01:02:05,680
Speaker 1: journey to that fight in Las Vegas that night was wild.

1321
01:02:05,800 --> 01:02:07,800
Speaker 1: She had to like last minute, drop everything, fly to

1322
01:02:07,920 --> 01:02:10,240
Speaker 1: what Thailand, and then they suddenly told her, no, you

1323
01:02:10,280 --> 01:02:12,160
Speaker 1: have to fly to Abu Dhabi if you want to

1324
01:02:12,160 --> 01:02:13,720
Speaker 1: make the fight in Vegas. So then she did that,

1325
01:02:13,800 --> 01:02:15,760
Speaker 1: and then she says, by the time she got to Vegas,

1326
01:02:16,080 --> 01:02:18,680
Speaker 1: she's just a zombie and she essentially went into that

1327
01:02:18,760 --> 01:02:23,320
Speaker 1: fight on instinct in some ways, if you're gonna lean

1328
01:02:23,400 --> 01:02:26,240
Speaker 1: on that as a sort of way, I almost can

1329
01:02:26,320 --> 01:02:28,480
Speaker 1: believe it, Luke, because I respect the journey she went on,

1330
01:02:28,600 --> 01:02:30,040
Speaker 1: and she did seem to get off to a little

1331
01:02:30,080 --> 01:02:32,200
Speaker 1: bit of a slow start. I got surprised by Johanna

1332
01:02:32,440 --> 01:02:34,680
Speaker 1: before kind of just getting into zombie mode herself and

1333
01:02:34,720 --> 01:02:37,840
Speaker 1: coming forward. I know she's lost twice since then, but

1334
01:02:37,880 --> 01:02:40,520
Speaker 1: we certainly can both agree that she not only seems

1335
01:02:40,560 --> 01:02:43,960
Speaker 1: to have gotten strong or bulked up rounded out her

1336
01:02:43,960 --> 01:02:47,000
Speaker 1: game better with the wrestling, But I don't really see

1337
01:02:47,040 --> 01:02:50,200
Speaker 1: any compromise from the physical tolls she took in that

1338
01:02:50,240 --> 01:02:53,200
Speaker 1: fight or the first round head kick knockout against Rose.

1339
01:02:54,760 --> 01:02:57,640
Speaker 1: Maybe that was a little bit, you know, less of

1340
01:02:58,480 --> 01:03:00,760
Speaker 1: the prime premiere version she could have been that night,

1341
01:03:00,800 --> 01:03:03,400
Speaker 1: and she just gutted it out and won it. Another

1342
01:03:03,440 --> 01:03:04,160
Speaker 1: thing to think about.

1343
01:03:05,280 --> 01:03:07,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's fair. Also, the one thing that was kind

1344
01:03:07,640 --> 01:03:09,160
Speaker 2: of big the first time around will be something to

1345
01:03:09,160 --> 01:03:12,760
Speaker 2: pay attention to. They talked about how important the weightcut

1346
01:03:12,840 --> 01:03:15,640
Speaker 2: was for Yoana, Yes, and how the fact that she

1347
01:03:15,800 --> 01:03:18,400
Speaker 2: was durable was a function of having a better weightcut.

1348
01:03:18,760 --> 01:03:20,320
Speaker 2: I don't know what kind of weightcut she had. You

1349
01:03:20,360 --> 01:03:23,000
Speaker 2: saw her on scales, I did too, tremendous physical condition,

1350
01:03:23,680 --> 01:03:26,360
Speaker 2: but you know, it does seem to me that like

1351
01:03:26,560 --> 01:03:29,360
Speaker 2: her weightcut has to be exactly on point for her

1352
01:03:29,360 --> 01:03:31,000
Speaker 2: to have the kind of durability she needs. And again

1353
01:03:31,040 --> 01:03:32,920
Speaker 2: we'll go back to it, three hero ound contest versus

1354
01:03:32,920 --> 01:03:35,320
Speaker 2: A five whatever, But dude, she was getting lit up

1355
01:03:35,320 --> 01:03:37,000
Speaker 2: in the first two round, all three rounds, both of

1356
01:03:37,040 --> 01:03:40,160
Speaker 2: them are getting lit up. I am also in addition

1357
01:03:40,200 --> 01:03:42,600
Speaker 2: to the fact you're bringing up for her opponent, I

1358
01:03:42,600 --> 01:03:44,800
Speaker 2: also want folks to remember that if there's any issues

1359
01:03:44,800 --> 01:03:47,520
Speaker 2: with her weightcut that could also change the equation here

1360
01:03:47,600 --> 01:03:49,440
Speaker 2: as well. But yes, dude, drong Wi Lee, and don't

1361
01:03:49,440 --> 01:03:51,080
Speaker 2: forget she got with Henry Shudo in the whole nine

1362
01:03:51,120 --> 01:03:56,280
Speaker 2: yards and Yuri Pratska as well, to an extent, a

1363
01:03:56,320 --> 01:03:58,960
Speaker 2: lot of X factors that could make I really believe

1364
01:03:59,040 --> 01:04:03,320
Speaker 2: that this one is do totally up for grabs, totally.

1365
01:04:03,600 --> 01:04:06,440
Speaker 1: You wanna did appear to make the way good though,

1366
01:04:06,480 --> 01:04:08,320
Speaker 1: and her and Mike Brown both put that on Instagram.

1367
01:04:08,360 --> 01:04:09,560
Speaker 1: I know, you know, you can just say it, but

1368
01:04:09,960 --> 01:04:12,280
Speaker 1: ever since you want to start using the Performance Institute

1369
01:04:12,280 --> 01:04:14,080
Speaker 1: to cut weight, it has changed for now like her,

1370
01:04:14,120 --> 01:04:16,000
Speaker 1: but a lot of fighters, and it's been a relief

1371
01:04:16,000 --> 01:04:17,560
Speaker 1: and now she's doing it the right way. Let's not

1372
01:04:17,600 --> 01:04:19,680
Speaker 1: forget back. During her reign, I remember was UFC two

1373
01:04:19,760 --> 01:04:22,920
Speaker 1: eleven not two eleven? Yeah, the one in Dallas, right,

1374
01:04:22,960 --> 01:04:25,000
Speaker 1: that was two eleven. That was what twenty seventeen where

1375
01:04:25,040 --> 01:04:28,480
Speaker 1: I talked to her, yes, and she was basically saying, like,

1376
01:04:28,520 --> 01:04:30,080
Speaker 1: you know, I don't think I can make this weight again.

1377
01:04:30,160 --> 01:04:32,000
Speaker 1: I want to eventually have children, like this is maybe

1378
01:04:32,080 --> 01:04:35,600
Speaker 1: unhealthy for me, and I think the stark difference between

1379
01:04:35,600 --> 01:04:37,720
Speaker 1: now and then it is just the the education and

1380
01:04:37,800 --> 01:04:40,360
Speaker 1: learning how to do it, you know, properly, the scientific way,

1381
01:04:40,640 --> 01:04:43,520
Speaker 1: So I don't think that'll be a problem. God, the

1382
01:04:43,600 --> 01:04:45,560
Speaker 1: idea of five rounds to three, Luke, is just making

1383
01:04:45,600 --> 01:04:49,400
Speaker 1: me think, even with the strategic and changes we're going

1384
01:04:49,480 --> 01:04:51,040
Speaker 1: to see that it may just end up being a

1385
01:04:51,800 --> 01:04:54,040
Speaker 1: perfect It may just end up being beautiful in the end.

1386
01:04:54,400 --> 01:05:01,160
Speaker 1: But who gets the damn edge, Luke? Dude? I wonder

1387
01:05:01,200 --> 01:05:03,680
Speaker 1: if they look at the tape and think, well, wait, wait, Lake,

1388
01:05:03,720 --> 01:05:07,080
Speaker 1: I call with that head kick from Rose, is she vulnerable? There?

1389
01:05:07,200 --> 01:05:09,000
Speaker 1: You said kicking could be a bit, has to be

1390
01:05:09,040 --> 01:05:10,920
Speaker 1: a big part of her game. We don't look at

1391
01:05:10,960 --> 01:05:13,400
Speaker 1: yu Wanna, you know, as the kicking. We look at

1392
01:05:13,200 --> 01:05:15,960
Speaker 1: for you know, calf strikes and sort of controlling distance.

1393
01:05:16,360 --> 01:05:18,880
Speaker 1: But you ever look at Yoanna as a dangerous kicker,

1394
01:05:18,920 --> 01:05:22,040
Speaker 1: a fight ending kicker. She's had two years and she's,

1395
01:05:22,080 --> 01:05:23,960
Speaker 1: you know, to her credit, despite taking the time off,

1396
01:05:23,960 --> 01:05:27,200
Speaker 1: has been in the gym consistently and always training. Could

1397
01:05:27,280 --> 01:05:30,360
Speaker 1: we see an advanced kickboxing game out of hers that

1398
01:05:30,680 --> 01:05:32,440
Speaker 1: the two years may have hid from what she's been

1399
01:05:32,480 --> 01:05:32,880
Speaker 1: working on?

1400
01:05:34,560 --> 01:05:35,160
Speaker 2: What do you mean?

1401
01:05:36,040 --> 01:05:39,440
Speaker 1: Could we see Yoanna threatening to end fights with kicks

1402
01:05:39,440 --> 01:05:40,800
Speaker 1: like Rose didduay Lee in their.

1403
01:05:40,640 --> 01:05:47,720
Speaker 2: Front Oh oh, possible, unlikely, unlikely. She plays a distance

1404
01:05:47,760 --> 01:05:49,840
Speaker 2: game too, where she likes to be very careful about

1405
01:05:49,880 --> 01:05:52,880
Speaker 2: it to just land clean again. Okay, here's what I'll say.

1406
01:05:52,920 --> 01:05:55,480
Speaker 2: Here's what I'll say. If she can, like Rose puts

1407
01:05:55,480 --> 01:05:58,480
Speaker 2: in feints and movement and whatnot, if you wanta can

1408
01:05:58,520 --> 01:06:00,360
Speaker 2: incorporate some of that, get out of that sort of

1409
01:06:00,440 --> 01:06:03,240
Speaker 2: like planting your feet tie style, which of course is

1410
01:06:03,280 --> 01:06:05,680
Speaker 2: what the one she comes from, she can adapt. She

1411
01:06:05,720 --> 01:06:08,360
Speaker 2: can adapt to a more movement based style a little

1412
01:06:08,360 --> 01:06:10,280
Speaker 2: bit and again doesn't be tremendous, but a little bit

1413
01:06:10,320 --> 01:06:13,280
Speaker 2: it makes, It makes a big difference. Yes, then it's

1414
01:06:13,440 --> 01:06:16,600
Speaker 2: very possible. But short of that, no, all.

1415
01:06:16,560 --> 01:06:20,600
Speaker 1: Right, as it goes, Luke, here's the deal. I think

1416
01:06:20,600 --> 01:06:22,200
Speaker 1: there's too many factors. When you I mean, you have

1417
01:06:22,240 --> 01:06:24,600
Speaker 1: to break it down with a fine toothcomb. You have

1418
01:06:24,640 --> 01:06:26,520
Speaker 1: to guess on things. You don't know how much will

1419
01:06:26,520 --> 01:06:29,200
Speaker 1: a layoff affect Yanna? How much? You know? How much

1420
01:06:29,280 --> 01:06:31,720
Speaker 1: is the receipt from that first fight gonna affect her?

1421
01:06:31,760 --> 01:06:34,680
Speaker 1: We haven't seen her since then. I think it's gonna

1422
01:06:34,680 --> 01:06:36,920
Speaker 1: be close, and I really do think it's gonna be great.

1423
01:06:37,080 --> 01:06:39,439
Speaker 1: But I think Wayey is just is just a little

1424
01:06:39,480 --> 01:06:43,200
Speaker 1: bit fresher, a little bit more well rounded, and maybe

1425
01:06:43,200 --> 01:06:45,320
Speaker 1: there's just as many reasons to believe, you know, Like

1426
01:06:45,360 --> 01:06:47,600
Speaker 1: I mentioned that, you know, she got through a really

1427
01:06:47,600 --> 01:06:49,200
Speaker 1: tough night at the office the first time I got

1428
01:06:49,200 --> 01:06:51,720
Speaker 1: her hand raised. But I think she's even better now.

1429
01:06:52,000 --> 01:06:55,520
Speaker 1: She's just physically a force. At this point, I think

1430
01:06:55,560 --> 01:06:58,240
Speaker 1: it'll be a three round decision. I think there's reason

1431
01:06:58,280 --> 01:07:01,360
Speaker 1: to like Waye more than YO wanna. But I'm certainly

1432
01:07:01,360 --> 01:07:04,520
Speaker 1: not discounting the heart, the ingenuity, the strategy that you

1433
01:07:04,560 --> 01:07:07,080
Speaker 1: want a champion can bring back to this opportunity. I mean, look,

1434
01:07:07,080 --> 01:07:08,920
Speaker 1: you gotta give her credit. The two years she took off,

1435
01:07:08,960 --> 01:07:11,040
Speaker 1: she played the game in terms of leverage and business

1436
01:07:11,040 --> 01:07:13,040
Speaker 1: the right way. She came back for big money in

1437
01:07:13,040 --> 01:07:14,800
Speaker 1: the fight she wanted. Now she got a chance to

1438
01:07:14,840 --> 01:07:19,000
Speaker 1: go right back into another title fight. But Waley's in

1439
01:07:19,360 --> 01:07:22,200
Speaker 1: almost every category is giving me reasons to like her

1440
01:07:22,240 --> 01:07:24,080
Speaker 1: just that much more entering this one.

1441
01:07:24,920 --> 01:07:27,000
Speaker 2: I gotta tell you, if this was a five round contest,

1442
01:07:27,040 --> 01:07:30,720
Speaker 2: I think I might change my pick. But because it's three,

1443
01:07:31,240 --> 01:07:32,959
Speaker 2: that's a big one for me, And the other one

1444
01:07:33,000 --> 01:07:37,440
Speaker 2: is man just too many questions for me with Johanna.

1445
01:07:37,720 --> 01:07:41,320
Speaker 2: I mean, the two year plus absence is I don't

1446
01:07:41,360 --> 01:07:43,040
Speaker 2: know what to make of that. Again, I've said it before.

1447
01:07:43,080 --> 01:07:45,120
Speaker 2: I do think that's good for her health, and I

1448
01:07:45,160 --> 01:07:49,080
Speaker 2: do think that will be somewhat advantageous competitively in the

1449
01:07:49,120 --> 01:07:51,160
Speaker 2: sense that you can go into this fresh and not,

1450
01:07:51,320 --> 01:07:54,400
Speaker 2: you know, completely damaged. On the other hand, that's a

1451
01:07:54,400 --> 01:07:57,120
Speaker 2: long time off. Who knows what condition she's in after

1452
01:07:57,120 --> 01:07:58,680
Speaker 2: that fight. Again, you're not going to leave that fight

1453
01:07:58,680 --> 01:08:01,360
Speaker 2: in the same condition that you and it. And so

1454
01:08:01,560 --> 01:08:04,840
Speaker 2: for those reasons, I absolutely believe that this is a

1455
01:08:05,160 --> 01:08:09,520
Speaker 2: very winnable fight in either direction. But for those reasons aforementioned,

1456
01:08:09,520 --> 01:08:11,560
Speaker 2: I'm going to side with Jean Wi Lee on this one.

1457
01:08:11,600 --> 01:08:13,640
Speaker 2: I just think that there's too many questions about Juanna.

1458
01:08:13,680 --> 01:08:15,600
Speaker 2: But I'll say this, dude, she comes out and she

1459
01:08:15,640 --> 01:08:17,800
Speaker 2: shows what she's made of, and there's a very real

1460
01:08:17,840 --> 01:08:20,360
Speaker 2: possibility of that. I'd be all too happy to equro Like.

1461
01:08:20,400 --> 01:08:23,120
Speaker 2: Whatever my personal difference is with her, I recognize she's

1462
01:08:23,160 --> 01:08:27,160
Speaker 2: a tremendous, tremendous talent, and I think if any fighter

1463
01:08:27,280 --> 01:08:30,280
Speaker 2: is capable of a big rebound, it's probably her.

1464
01:08:30,880 --> 01:08:33,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, And even if she there is a rebound potential

1465
01:08:33,800 --> 01:08:35,600
Speaker 1: just the same. I believe for you wanna should she

1466
01:08:35,680 --> 01:08:38,280
Speaker 1: lose a great fight here? And I know she wants

1467
01:08:38,280 --> 01:08:39,880
Speaker 1: big fights only, but I mean, you know, you could

1468
01:08:39,880 --> 01:08:43,200
Speaker 1: imagine her rematching Androge. The trilogy with Roads could come

1469
01:08:43,280 --> 01:08:45,160
Speaker 1: up one day. I mean there's still some sure, you know,

1470
01:08:45,760 --> 01:08:48,120
Speaker 1: really great fight she can make if she wants to.

1471
01:08:48,240 --> 01:08:50,559
Speaker 1: I can't wait for this one, all right, Luke. Topic

1472
01:08:50,600 --> 01:08:53,000
Speaker 1: four is a little bit of Mma SCHMORGASBD. Let's stay

1473
01:08:53,000 --> 01:08:55,880
Speaker 1: on UFC two seventy five. Fortunately, we just lost another

1474
01:08:55,920 --> 01:08:59,679
Speaker 1: fight on the main card, as Jugerio Bonterarin had waited.

1475
01:08:59,760 --> 01:09:01,960
Speaker 1: Shoe was Luke that forced him to not. I don't

1476
01:09:01,960 --> 01:09:04,280
Speaker 1: even think he made it to the scale. Unfortunately, his

1477
01:09:04,360 --> 01:09:09,880
Speaker 1: fight against who is he fighting? Luke Cope cape Manny

1478
01:09:09,920 --> 01:09:14,040
Speaker 1: cape Manel cop Manel Cop I was looking forward to

1479
01:09:14,040 --> 01:09:15,439
Speaker 1: it would have been good. It's off the card now,

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01:09:15,439 --> 01:09:17,040
Speaker 1: so as you look up and down. Obviously we talked

1481
01:09:17,040 --> 01:09:21,960
Speaker 1: about Jack Della matt Alena Bob dobb Alina. Is that

1482
01:09:22,160 --> 01:09:24,400
Speaker 1: the best fight of what's left in terms of your

1483
01:09:24,439 --> 01:09:25,519
Speaker 1: interest heading into Sarah.

1484
01:09:25,760 --> 01:09:28,360
Speaker 2: Yeah? For me, that's definitely the one that's interesting. I

1485
01:09:28,400 --> 01:09:31,439
Speaker 2: will add one more to this It's not crazy interesting

1486
01:09:31,439 --> 01:09:34,120
Speaker 2: to me, but I do like it. Brendan Allen taking

1487
01:09:34,160 --> 01:09:38,800
Speaker 2: on Robert Whitaker training partner Jacob Malcohn. Jacob Malcoon has

1488
01:09:39,000 --> 01:09:41,160
Speaker 2: a bit of a grinder, I think, Brent. Here's the thing.

1489
01:09:41,160 --> 01:09:44,040
Speaker 2: I think Brendan Allen is very talented, very very talented,

1490
01:09:44,360 --> 01:09:48,880
Speaker 2: but sometimes he has I don't think used all of

1491
01:09:48,920 --> 01:09:51,400
Speaker 2: his abilities in the way that he should. And that's

1492
01:09:51,400 --> 01:09:53,280
Speaker 2: a learning process, you know, not for me to say

1493
01:09:53,280 --> 01:09:55,160
Speaker 2: that's worse coaches to figure out and him as well.

1494
01:09:55,520 --> 01:09:58,000
Speaker 2: But I think that the ceiling on Allen is a

1495
01:09:58,040 --> 01:10:00,679
Speaker 2: little bit higher. But the malcom fight is intro because

1496
01:10:01,280 --> 01:10:03,920
Speaker 2: Malcoon has got a real kind of meat and potatoes

1497
01:10:03,960 --> 01:10:07,120
Speaker 2: grinder attitude. But if Alan tries to get too clever

1498
01:10:07,200 --> 01:10:09,759
Speaker 2: with it, a guy like Malcoon could be trouble. However,

1499
01:10:10,120 --> 01:10:12,960
Speaker 2: if a guy like Alan really leans on his substantial abilities,

1500
01:10:13,000 --> 01:10:15,000
Speaker 2: and I do believe in them, he should win this

1501
01:10:15,000 --> 01:10:16,680
Speaker 2: one walking away. So this is going to be a

1502
01:10:16,720 --> 01:10:20,640
Speaker 2: real test of not his skills per se, but his maturity,

1503
01:10:21,000 --> 01:10:23,839
Speaker 2: his maturity through the learning experiences, both winning and losing,

1504
01:10:24,160 --> 01:10:26,040
Speaker 2: to get him to the next level. He's a very

1505
01:10:26,080 --> 01:10:28,320
Speaker 2: talented guy. I'd like to see that show up in

1506
01:10:28,360 --> 01:10:29,320
Speaker 2: this contest.

1507
01:10:29,920 --> 01:10:33,000
Speaker 1: Luke, I'm gonna be looking at this welterwaveout between Jake

1508
01:10:33,120 --> 01:10:36,640
Speaker 1: Matthews and Andre Fillo. We've seen some good one you know,

1509
01:10:36,680 --> 01:10:39,839
Speaker 1: equally big highs and lows for the Portuguese product Fialla,

1510
01:10:39,840 --> 01:10:41,880
Speaker 1: But Luke, he can hammer, you know, I think he

1511
01:10:41,920 --> 01:10:43,639
Speaker 1: could be somebody that can be coming on.

1512
01:10:43,680 --> 01:10:46,280
Speaker 2: So I'm gonna be Mathew was you know, a big

1513
01:10:46,320 --> 01:10:48,720
Speaker 2: promise out of Australia, and he's definitely gotten better, but

1514
01:10:48,760 --> 01:10:51,320
Speaker 2: I don't think he has quite reached the levels that

1515
01:10:51,960 --> 01:10:54,720
Speaker 2: folks thought he might. Yeah, I think folks not that

1516
01:10:54,760 --> 01:10:56,519
Speaker 2: they were saying he's the next Robert Whitaker, but I

1517
01:10:56,520 --> 01:10:58,599
Speaker 2: think they had hoped that he would reach, you know,

1518
01:10:58,680 --> 01:11:02,559
Speaker 2: a relatively similar level of ability or acclaim. And he's

1519
01:11:02,600 --> 01:11:05,280
Speaker 2: done well seventeen to five record, but he's not. Certainly

1520
01:11:05,320 --> 01:11:07,120
Speaker 2: we would both agree he's not done with Robert Whitaker

1521
01:11:07,200 --> 01:11:10,120
Speaker 2: has done not even close. You know, winning a fight

1522
01:11:10,160 --> 01:11:11,800
Speaker 2: like this doesn't get him there, but it puts him

1523
01:11:11,800 --> 01:11:14,240
Speaker 2: on a much better path than losing a fight like this.

1524
01:11:14,520 --> 01:11:16,360
Speaker 2: Losing a fight like this would kind of tell you, well,

1525
01:11:16,360 --> 01:11:17,439
Speaker 2: maybe that ship has sailed.

1526
01:11:18,479 --> 01:11:23,800
Speaker 1: Luke. The MMA Roundup News continues with UFC cutting Lewis Smolka,

1527
01:11:24,240 --> 01:11:27,360
Speaker 1: the thirty year old. I believe he lost three of

1528
01:11:27,400 --> 01:11:28,880
Speaker 1: his last four, two of his last three, I can

1529
01:11:28,960 --> 01:11:32,320
Speaker 1: look it up. But still Luke seemed to have something

1530
01:11:32,360 --> 01:11:33,680
Speaker 1: in the tank. Are you surprised by this?

1531
01:11:35,040 --> 01:11:38,200
Speaker 2: You know? I like Lewis Smoka a lot. His fight

1532
01:11:38,280 --> 01:11:40,400
Speaker 2: to me with Ben Winn was one of my I

1533
01:11:40,479 --> 01:11:42,479
Speaker 2: really enjoy that fight. I talk about it all the time.

1534
01:11:42,560 --> 01:11:44,400
Speaker 2: I thought the way in which he used guillotines to

1535
01:11:44,400 --> 01:11:47,479
Speaker 2: control the guy in the wrestling department was unbelievable. And

1536
01:11:47,520 --> 01:11:49,920
Speaker 2: he's a very talented guy. You know. Did it work

1537
01:11:49,920 --> 01:11:51,960
Speaker 2: out for him in the UFC through two different stints? No,

1538
01:11:52,080 --> 01:11:53,720
Speaker 2: But to your point, I think just thirty. And the

1539
01:11:53,800 --> 01:11:55,759
Speaker 2: other point is this do he is in all action,

1540
01:11:55,960 --> 01:11:59,200
Speaker 2: all fun fighter win or lose. Lewis Smolka is in

1541
01:11:59,720 --> 01:12:02,920
Speaker 2: verre re exciting contests. He himself said he was eager

1542
01:12:02,960 --> 01:12:05,799
Speaker 2: to try free agency. It's an interesting moment in free agency,

1543
01:12:05,840 --> 01:12:07,240
Speaker 2: in MMA, such as you want to call it that,

1544
01:12:08,000 --> 01:12:10,599
Speaker 2: I think there are there are still some really high

1545
01:12:10,680 --> 01:12:12,800
Speaker 2: moments left for him, maybe not so much in the

1546
01:12:12,880 --> 01:12:16,000
Speaker 2: UFC octagon, but in some other places. So sucks, but

1547
01:12:16,640 --> 01:12:18,639
Speaker 2: maybe all's well, that ends well, depending on how things

1548
01:12:18,640 --> 01:12:19,000
Speaker 2: turn out.

1549
01:12:19,160 --> 01:12:21,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, you mentioned the most damaging fact that, yeah, he did.

1550
01:12:21,800 --> 01:12:24,320
Speaker 1: He had lost three of his last four, but they

1551
01:12:24,320 --> 01:12:26,760
Speaker 1: were they were big losses. Submitted by Casey Kenny knocked

1552
01:12:26,760 --> 01:12:29,720
Speaker 1: out by Vince Moreles knocked out by Davey Grant. So, uh,

1553
01:12:29,800 --> 01:12:31,679
Speaker 1: he swing's big, he goes for it. He's fun to watch.

1554
01:12:31,680 --> 01:12:34,200
Speaker 1: We'll see where he bounces back in the future. Luke,

1555
01:12:34,240 --> 01:12:36,479
Speaker 1: Dana White caught up with our friend Aaron Bronsteader of

1556
01:12:36,560 --> 01:12:39,439
Speaker 1: TSN and you know, Aaron was asking him about the

1557
01:12:39,560 --> 01:12:42,320
Speaker 1: likelihood of the UFC coming back to Canada soon, and

1558
01:12:42,439 --> 01:12:45,920
Speaker 1: Dane moore Less said quote UFC unlikely to return to

1559
01:12:46,000 --> 01:12:50,720
Speaker 1: any countries with vaccine requirements and basically said that, you know,

1560
01:12:50,800 --> 01:12:53,280
Speaker 1: he doesn't he doesn't know. He doesn't see Canada happening

1561
01:12:53,320 --> 01:12:57,760
Speaker 1: anytime soon. Because of that, Luke, that's that's some you know,

1562
01:12:57,840 --> 01:13:01,840
Speaker 1: not crazy surprising, but also kind of interesting because are

1563
01:13:01,880 --> 01:13:03,880
Speaker 1: we in a good spot COVID wise? Are we going

1564
01:13:03,880 --> 01:13:06,280
Speaker 1: in the right direction? I feel like we kind of

1565
01:13:06,280 --> 01:13:06,960
Speaker 1: should be past this.

1566
01:13:07,120 --> 01:13:13,559
Speaker 2: No, I don't know, well, I mean, it differs all

1567
01:13:13,600 --> 01:13:16,960
Speaker 2: over the planet, but certainly, you know, we're in a

1568
01:13:17,040 --> 01:13:19,479
Speaker 2: much better place than we were, either from serial prevalence

1569
01:13:19,479 --> 01:13:22,479
Speaker 2: in the population, access to vaccines, other packs, LOVID and

1570
01:13:22,520 --> 01:13:25,160
Speaker 2: other kinds of treatments. We're just in a much different place.

1571
01:13:25,520 --> 01:13:27,880
Speaker 2: I think the bigger issue is I'm going to give

1572
01:13:28,120 --> 01:13:30,360
Speaker 2: data the benefit of the doubt and assume that this

1573
01:13:30,479 --> 01:13:33,280
Speaker 2: is not really a political thing that he's actually engaging in,

1574
01:13:33,320 --> 01:13:36,640
Speaker 2: but rather a logistical one, which is I don't know

1575
01:13:36,720 --> 01:13:39,719
Speaker 2: if I can bring a proper card to a country

1576
01:13:39,720 --> 01:13:43,000
Speaker 2: that requires vaccines, given how few of the fighters on

1577
01:13:43,040 --> 01:13:46,960
Speaker 2: the roster are maybe eligible, given that they've had it.

1578
01:13:47,200 --> 01:13:50,439
Speaker 2: So to me, if that's the limiting factor, then I

1579
01:13:50,479 --> 01:13:52,400
Speaker 2: don't even know what to say, other than maybe the

1580
01:13:52,479 --> 01:13:55,879
Speaker 2: UFC could do more of an effort to get folks vaccinated.

1581
01:13:55,920 --> 01:13:57,559
Speaker 2: But I think we both know, you know, given the

1582
01:13:57,600 --> 01:14:00,479
Speaker 2: politics in the sport, that's probably you know, trying to

1583
01:14:01,520 --> 01:14:04,439
Speaker 2: piss into the wind a little bit. So I don't

1584
01:14:04,439 --> 01:14:07,040
Speaker 2: really know what to say, to be honest with you,

1585
01:14:07,320 --> 01:14:09,719
Speaker 2: I wish we weren't in this predicament either with having

1586
01:14:09,720 --> 01:14:11,960
Speaker 2: to have this ridiculous disease that's out there that does

1587
01:14:12,000 --> 01:14:15,000
Speaker 2: what it does, or that people don't want the treatment,

1588
01:14:15,120 --> 01:14:17,920
Speaker 2: or whatever you want to call vaccines, or that there

1589
01:14:17,920 --> 01:14:20,599
Speaker 2: are ways that it's mandated across borders. All of it

1590
01:14:20,640 --> 01:14:24,679
Speaker 2: is regrettable. But if it's not going to change, Canada

1591
01:14:24,800 --> 01:14:27,080
Speaker 2: is just going to be asked out. I guess I

1592
01:14:27,120 --> 01:14:29,000
Speaker 2: don't I don't know. Luke.

1593
01:14:29,080 --> 01:14:32,040
Speaker 1: Is Dana White hoping the public forgets that he promised

1594
01:14:32,040 --> 01:14:36,040
Speaker 1: Taichi Palace a huge card for their willingness to break protocol?

1595
01:14:36,240 --> 01:14:38,879
Speaker 1: Or do you think Dana has forgot that he promised Taichi?

1596
01:14:39,000 --> 01:14:41,960
Speaker 2: I think I think Dana had. They can't do a

1597
01:14:42,000 --> 01:14:44,719
Speaker 2: fight night there, Like they can't do like one fight

1598
01:14:44,800 --> 01:14:46,519
Speaker 2: that was gonna be at the Apex and just put

1599
01:14:46,520 --> 01:14:48,639
Speaker 2: it on Tachi Palace. But I guess you know what's

1600
01:14:48,680 --> 01:14:51,559
Speaker 2: happened someone over a buck. I guarantee you Dana want

1601
01:14:51,600 --> 01:14:53,240
Speaker 2: or to be cause Dana's actually pretty good about being

1602
01:14:53,280 --> 01:14:55,160
Speaker 2: I said I would do this, and you know, like

1603
01:14:55,280 --> 01:14:56,840
Speaker 2: for example, like you know, if a fan was like,

1604
01:14:56,840 --> 01:14:58,240
Speaker 2: hey can I get tickets back in the day, he

1605
01:14:58,240 --> 01:15:00,479
Speaker 2: would always like be good about that. I bet he

1606
01:15:00,560 --> 01:15:03,880
Speaker 2: wanted to. I bet what happened was somebody over his

1607
01:15:03,960 --> 01:15:06,840
Speaker 2: head over at Disney or ESPN was like, see, we're

1608
01:15:06,920 --> 01:15:09,280
Speaker 2: not going to revisit that moment in time We're just

1609
01:15:09,320 --> 01:15:11,439
Speaker 2: gonna move past it, because I think there'd be some

1610
01:15:11,479 --> 01:15:14,599
Speaker 2: attention if you went back to Tachi, they'd be like, oh,

1611
01:15:14,680 --> 01:15:16,360
Speaker 2: the place that you promised we would do this where

1612
01:15:16,400 --> 01:15:18,519
Speaker 2: you wanted to Like remember when they remember when Dane

1613
01:15:18,600 --> 01:15:20,599
Speaker 2: was like, oh, we figured it out, Like five days

1614
01:15:20,640 --> 01:15:23,080
Speaker 2: into COVID shut downs, he was like, yeah, we figured

1615
01:15:23,080 --> 01:15:23,360
Speaker 2: this out.

1616
01:15:23,400 --> 01:15:26,040
Speaker 1: I'm like, well, you definitely have acquired an island.

1617
01:15:26,280 --> 01:15:29,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, like you definitely didn't. I think that they just

1618
01:15:29,200 --> 01:15:31,240
Speaker 2: want to move past that. That's probably what it all

1619
01:15:31,280 --> 01:15:31,720
Speaker 2: comes down to.

1620
01:15:32,840 --> 01:15:37,200
Speaker 1: Luke. Also in MMA News, Askar Askarov unfortunately pulling out

1621
01:15:37,200 --> 01:15:41,559
Speaker 1: of this must see flyway bout schedule for July sixteenth

1622
01:15:41,000 --> 01:15:44,000
Speaker 1: in on Long Island. You was supposed to fight Alex Perez.

1623
01:15:44,880 --> 01:15:48,040
Speaker 1: The Okay news is Alexandri Pantosia will fill in and

1624
01:15:48,080 --> 01:15:50,840
Speaker 1: still take on Perez. But Luke, Perez once fought for

1625
01:15:50,920 --> 01:15:54,439
Speaker 1: a title last you know, his last minute replacement. But

1626
01:15:54,479 --> 01:15:56,439
Speaker 1: I don't think he's fought since then, and in this

1627
01:15:56,520 --> 01:16:00,000
Speaker 1: past two years he's had six consecutive fights get canceled.

1628
01:16:00,320 --> 01:16:01,160
Speaker 1: That's wild, Luke.

1629
01:16:01,479 --> 01:16:03,760
Speaker 2: I know, dude, that's the worst luck ever. But a

1630
01:16:03,840 --> 01:16:06,000
Speaker 2: lot of it was from the same guys too. It's like, dude,

1631
01:16:06,000 --> 01:16:08,559
Speaker 2: maybe give him a fresh matchup, you know, and again

1632
01:16:08,640 --> 01:16:11,400
Speaker 2: injuries happened, the crazy things happen. We know, the sport.

1633
01:16:12,000 --> 01:16:14,160
Speaker 2: It's like just just rotating in a fret because there

1634
01:16:14,160 --> 01:16:16,080
Speaker 2: was a bunch of supposed happen with Matt Schnell, for example,

1635
01:16:16,120 --> 01:16:18,679
Speaker 2: and all those just rotting. Somebody new. Give the guy

1636
01:16:18,800 --> 01:16:20,720
Speaker 2: somebody new for Fox's sake, please.

1637
01:16:20,600 --> 01:16:23,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm with you on that. Luke also making big headlines.

1638
01:16:23,520 --> 01:16:25,640
Speaker 1: I know you put an extra credit video out about it.

1639
01:16:25,840 --> 01:16:30,320
Speaker 1: Tim Kennedy, the military hero, I'll call him Luke, damn right,

1640
01:16:30,400 --> 01:16:34,840
Speaker 1: thank him. And x UFC Strikeforce Fighter was on Ariel

1641
01:16:34,880 --> 01:16:37,800
Speaker 1: Hawani's MMA hour and they in person and they kind

1642
01:16:37,800 --> 01:16:40,519
Speaker 1: of went deep on a lot of these topics, including

1643
01:16:40,560 --> 01:16:43,920
Speaker 1: the failed be and Rebney led mixed Martial arts What

1644
01:16:44,120 --> 01:16:45,960
Speaker 1: Athletes Association.

1645
01:16:45,520 --> 01:16:46,840
Speaker 2: M double M triple A.

1646
01:16:48,400 --> 01:16:50,680
Speaker 1: Double M triple A. Okay, we all know we look

1647
01:16:50,760 --> 01:16:52,519
Speaker 1: back on that as a bit of a joke. GSP

1648
01:16:52,680 --> 01:16:54,920
Speaker 1: Cowboy SERRONI come out in the press conference Arm and

1649
01:16:55,040 --> 01:16:58,200
Speaker 1: Arm Dilla Shaw all that it fell apart quickly. Now

1650
01:16:58,240 --> 01:17:01,160
Speaker 1: we're kind of finding out, based on Tim's reveal here

1651
01:17:01,520 --> 01:17:04,200
Speaker 1: how it did Luke, it just kind of seems like

1652
01:17:05,320 --> 01:17:07,880
Speaker 1: everyone got scared and then the whole thing fell apart.

1653
01:17:08,160 --> 01:17:10,720
Speaker 1: Not surprising, but you had a pretty harsh take, or

1654
01:17:10,760 --> 01:17:14,479
Speaker 1: not harsh, aggressive taken, the stance that it's never gonna happen.

1655
01:17:15,120 --> 01:17:16,599
Speaker 1: Is that true? Is that what you said, Luke.

1656
01:17:16,640 --> 01:17:19,280
Speaker 2: In my lifetime? I don't think it will in my lifetime.

1657
01:17:19,439 --> 01:17:22,160
Speaker 1: And that means unionization or at the very least the

1658
01:17:22,600 --> 01:17:25,120
Speaker 1: fighters being willing to risk it all for a better future,

1659
01:17:25,200 --> 01:17:25,719
Speaker 1: is what you're saying.

1660
01:17:25,800 --> 01:17:28,439
Speaker 2: Yes, And you know Lucas Middlebrook, who was a who

1661
01:17:28,760 --> 01:17:30,640
Speaker 2: by the way, you don't know who Lucas Middlebrook is.

1662
01:17:30,920 --> 01:17:34,920
Speaker 2: He was the attorney who ultimately was representing Nick Diaz

1663
01:17:34,960 --> 01:17:37,559
Speaker 2: when the Commission tried to hand down a five year sentence,

1664
01:17:37,560 --> 01:17:40,120
Speaker 2: and he was a bulldog for Nick, and of course

1665
01:17:40,120 --> 01:17:41,559
Speaker 2: there was a lot of public pressure and a lot

1666
01:17:41,560 --> 01:17:44,320
Speaker 2: of that got walked back. So Lucas Middlebrook has been

1667
01:17:44,360 --> 01:17:48,920
Speaker 2: at the forefront of fighter rights and fighter protections being missing,

1668
01:17:49,360 --> 01:17:51,200
Speaker 2: and I think we all agree that we would love

1669
01:17:51,240 --> 01:17:52,960
Speaker 2: to see more. The question is how you get there.

1670
01:17:53,120 --> 01:17:55,880
Speaker 2: There are some reasonable criticisms to make of what can

1671
01:17:55,920 --> 01:17:59,320
Speaker 2: actually be possible if you have a union, because what

1672
01:17:59,400 --> 01:18:01,880
Speaker 2: really drives out pay is in a league model where

1673
01:18:01,920 --> 01:18:03,599
Speaker 2: teams can bid. If you don't really have that what

1674
01:18:03,640 --> 01:18:06,200
Speaker 2: really drives up pay. It's a fair argument to make.

1675
01:18:06,280 --> 01:18:08,040
Speaker 2: There are a lot of other protections you could get

1676
01:18:08,080 --> 01:18:10,080
Speaker 2: though from a walkout, such as you could get one

1677
01:18:10,360 --> 01:18:12,920
Speaker 2: through a collective bargaining agreement. So there's a real question

1678
01:18:12,960 --> 01:18:14,439
Speaker 2: of like, what is actually the best way to get

1679
01:18:14,479 --> 01:18:16,479
Speaker 2: most people paid? And the answer might be depending on

1680
01:18:16,560 --> 01:18:18,400
Speaker 2: what you mean by most people, you could probably get

1681
01:18:18,640 --> 01:18:21,080
Speaker 2: maybe more benefits for the bottom end of the UFC

1682
01:18:21,120 --> 01:18:23,920
Speaker 2: fighters through a collective bargaining agreement via union, maybe less

1683
01:18:23,960 --> 01:18:26,240
Speaker 2: over the top, And so is that a better arrangement?

1684
01:18:26,600 --> 01:18:30,640
Speaker 2: But here's the bigger point. If the Professional Fighters Association

1685
01:18:30,680 --> 01:18:33,800
Speaker 2: from Jeff Boris can't get it done, if the DOUBLEMA

1686
01:18:34,040 --> 01:18:36,479
Speaker 2: with the heavy handed list of fighters that they had,

1687
01:18:36,479 --> 01:18:38,720
Speaker 2: I mean GSP came to Alaskas, if they can't get

1688
01:18:38,760 --> 01:18:41,439
Speaker 2: it done, and then Project's spearhead. They certainly made a

1689
01:18:41,479 --> 01:18:43,080
Speaker 2: full throated effort at it, and I think they got

1690
01:18:43,080 --> 01:18:45,599
Speaker 2: further than most, but they didn't get far enough either.

1691
01:18:45,680 --> 01:18:47,439
Speaker 2: It's like, dude, at what point are we going to say?

1692
01:18:48,000 --> 01:18:51,440
Speaker 2: I just don't know how viable a strategy of unionization

1693
01:18:51,720 --> 01:18:55,519
Speaker 2: actually is in the current landscape. And so for those reasons,

1694
01:18:55,720 --> 01:18:58,439
Speaker 2: if you really care about fighter pay, what are the

1695
01:18:58,479 --> 01:19:00,479
Speaker 2: mechanisms to get it? Maybe you could look to the

1696
01:19:00,479 --> 01:19:03,080
Speaker 2: fighter lawsuit, but that is not in our immediate future

1697
01:19:03,120 --> 01:19:06,720
Speaker 2: and and very speculative. The other one is the ALI Act,

1698
01:19:06,720 --> 01:19:08,960
Speaker 2: And the reason why that's important is because while I

1699
01:19:09,040 --> 01:19:10,880
Speaker 2: think a lot of folks hold their noses at it,

1700
01:19:11,320 --> 01:19:14,760
Speaker 2: unionization doesn't seem very possible. And and by the way,

1701
01:19:14,840 --> 01:19:18,040
Speaker 2: Lucas Middlebrook was involved with projects Spearhead, and you know,

1702
01:19:18,080 --> 01:19:20,000
Speaker 2: I don't know what to say about the lawsuit at

1703
01:19:20,000 --> 01:19:22,479
Speaker 2: this current juncture. So it just leaves you with that.

1704
01:19:22,680 --> 01:19:25,080
Speaker 2: And the other sort of point there is you don't

1705
01:19:25,120 --> 01:19:26,840
Speaker 2: need a bunch of fighters to sign on to that.

1706
01:19:26,880 --> 01:19:29,440
Speaker 2: You just have the group that you have, the MMAFA,

1707
01:19:29,840 --> 01:19:34,200
Speaker 2: Randy Catoor, Carlos Newton, Nate Quarry, just a handful of

1708
01:19:34,240 --> 01:19:36,200
Speaker 2: guys who can then go and lobby. They did get

1709
01:19:36,240 --> 01:19:39,720
Speaker 2: bipartisans support in Congress in the last session. You know

1710
01:19:39,800 --> 01:19:42,000
Speaker 2: that they had a bunch of Republicans, a bunch of Democrats.

1711
01:19:42,040 --> 01:19:44,160
Speaker 2: I mean, for once we can get you know, people

1712
01:19:44,200 --> 01:19:47,280
Speaker 2: reaching across the aisle here. That is highly unusual. So

1713
01:19:48,320 --> 01:19:50,280
Speaker 2: I'm not saying that that is the best chance of

1714
01:19:50,320 --> 01:19:53,040
Speaker 2: getting something past, but it seems a lot more likely

1715
01:19:53,320 --> 01:19:55,720
Speaker 2: than anything else. And so if you actually think in

1716
01:19:55,760 --> 01:19:58,479
Speaker 2: your mind, I want fighter paid to be different, what

1717
01:19:58,680 --> 01:20:02,759
Speaker 2: is the mechanism by which you get their fucking blockchain? Crypto?

1718
01:20:03,080 --> 01:20:06,280
Speaker 2: Fucking awards from fans is not the way to meaningfully

1719
01:20:06,320 --> 01:20:10,680
Speaker 2: address fighter pay. You have to change the industry. I

1720
01:20:10,760 --> 01:20:12,840
Speaker 2: just think folks who hold their noses that, oh what

1721
01:20:13,080 --> 01:20:16,160
Speaker 2: if MMA turns into boxing? Okay, but if you care

1722
01:20:16,160 --> 01:20:18,599
Speaker 2: about fighter pay, what is your better alternative? I'm willing

1723
01:20:18,600 --> 01:20:20,280
Speaker 2: to hear it. I just don't see it.

1724
01:20:20,800 --> 01:20:22,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, we're gonna have to break a lot

1725
01:20:22,479 --> 01:20:25,000
Speaker 1: of eggs to make that omelet of fighters getting the

1726
01:20:25,000 --> 01:20:26,560
Speaker 1: treatment they want. And it's not going to be a

1727
01:20:26,560 --> 01:20:29,000
Speaker 1: pretty road even if it happened. And you know the

1728
01:20:29,080 --> 01:20:31,320
Speaker 1: I mean hearing the inside details there from Kennedy and

1729
01:20:31,560 --> 01:20:33,559
Speaker 1: seeing you know how many people kind of flipped early,

1730
01:20:33,640 --> 01:20:36,160
Speaker 1: either out of fear you know, of the UFC, or

1731
01:20:36,200 --> 01:20:38,160
Speaker 1: they just weren't unwilling to sign their name on the

1732
01:20:38,200 --> 01:20:42,400
Speaker 1: document to begin with. Unless you have Luke, I don't

1733
01:20:42,439 --> 01:20:44,600
Speaker 1: know the percentage of fighters you need, but unless you

1734
01:20:44,720 --> 01:20:48,920
Speaker 1: have enough that it's going to impact the UFC's day

1735
01:20:48,960 --> 01:20:51,559
Speaker 1: to day business significantly, and it's that bad of a

1736
01:20:51,600 --> 01:20:55,559
Speaker 1: pr issue, you're not going to get any movement because

1737
01:20:55,560 --> 01:20:57,439
Speaker 1: any you know, if you get a small minority of

1738
01:20:57,439 --> 01:20:59,800
Speaker 1: people standing firm, well the UFC just doesn't have to

1739
01:20:59,800 --> 01:21:00,880
Speaker 1: put im in the cage anymore.

1740
01:21:00,920 --> 01:21:01,120
Speaker 2: Luke.

1741
01:21:01,160 --> 01:21:03,400
Speaker 1: You know, it is what it is, and there's going

1742
01:21:03,479 --> 01:21:05,720
Speaker 1: to be in so many hungry people ready to take that.

1743
01:21:05,800 --> 01:21:08,080
Speaker 1: So at that point that that that can be a

1744
01:21:08,080 --> 01:21:10,880
Speaker 1: bad risk reward assessment, you know, in terms of you know,

1745
01:21:10,920 --> 01:21:13,880
Speaker 1: if you speak out and then you know it doesn't

1746
01:21:13,880 --> 01:21:14,360
Speaker 1: go your way.

1747
01:21:14,439 --> 01:21:18,360
Speaker 2: But look at Cajun Johnson. Cajun Johnson was very outspoken

1748
01:21:18,360 --> 01:21:21,200
Speaker 2: for Project Speerhead Boy. They gave him nothing but hammers

1749
01:21:21,360 --> 01:21:23,160
Speaker 2: on his way out the door, you know, and I

1750
01:21:23,160 --> 01:21:26,000
Speaker 2: saw it before. You're like, oh, UFC doesn't engage in retribution, dude,

1751
01:21:26,439 --> 01:21:28,439
Speaker 2: I mean this was different. This was not for signing

1752
01:21:28,479 --> 01:21:30,760
Speaker 2: up for a union. But when andre Alowski left the

1753
01:21:30,800 --> 01:21:32,800
Speaker 2: UFC the first time and it was going to go

1754
01:21:32,840 --> 01:21:35,200
Speaker 2: to affliction, they tried to bury his ass. When he

1755
01:21:35,200 --> 01:21:37,080
Speaker 2: thought Jacobrien now he got the better end of that.

1756
01:21:37,120 --> 01:21:38,880
Speaker 2: I think he surprised a lot of people I'm sure

1757
01:21:39,520 --> 01:21:40,320
Speaker 2: him for that story.

1758
01:21:40,520 --> 01:21:42,160
Speaker 1: Randy's got a lot of those same stories too.

1759
01:21:42,320 --> 01:21:45,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly like you know, the fear of attribution. You know,

1760
01:21:45,400 --> 01:21:47,479
Speaker 2: there's it works two ways. One was ooh, would they

1761
01:21:47,520 --> 01:21:49,800
Speaker 2: find out if I signed? Now? That one seems to

1762
01:21:49,840 --> 01:21:53,280
Speaker 2: me somewhat of interrational fear, But the other one is like, dude,

1763
01:21:53,320 --> 01:21:54,280
Speaker 2: I don't know how long I'm going to be in

1764
01:21:54,320 --> 01:21:57,040
Speaker 2: the UFC. Making it here is hard enough, Winning here

1765
01:21:57,120 --> 01:22:00,040
Speaker 2: is even more difficult. I got a short window. I

1766
01:22:00,080 --> 01:22:01,639
Speaker 2: want to make as much as possible. I'm not trying

1767
01:22:01,680 --> 01:22:03,320
Speaker 2: to rock the vote. I don't know how you fight that.

1768
01:22:03,360 --> 01:22:05,120
Speaker 2: The only way you fight that is you get Congress

1769
01:22:05,600 --> 01:22:08,200
Speaker 2: or a lawsuit to make them change. Short of that,

1770
01:22:08,840 --> 01:22:11,120
Speaker 2: good luck are What do.

1771
01:22:11,080 --> 01:22:14,320
Speaker 1: You take on the UFC's response, which is always Dana

1772
01:22:14,400 --> 01:22:17,320
Speaker 1: dismissing it or inevitably if he's pushed hard enough, going well,

1773
01:22:17,320 --> 01:22:18,640
Speaker 1: you know it's up to them. If they're going to

1774
01:22:18,680 --> 01:22:21,000
Speaker 1: do something, do it. That's more or less what they're saying.

1775
01:22:21,360 --> 01:22:23,880
Speaker 1: You know that they don't try to put out press

1776
01:22:23,880 --> 01:22:26,479
Speaker 1: releases that they're throwing extra extra bonus here to try

1777
01:22:26,479 --> 01:22:29,080
Speaker 1: to soften the pr like UFC is basically, we don't care.

1778
01:22:29,840 --> 01:22:30,040
Speaker 1: Is that?

1779
01:22:30,080 --> 01:22:32,479
Speaker 2: Why would you? Why would you care if the UFC? Again, Dude,

1780
01:22:32,520 --> 01:22:36,360
Speaker 2: getting federal legislation passed for anything these days is difficult,

1781
01:22:36,560 --> 01:22:38,799
Speaker 2: number one, that lawsuit.

1782
01:22:38,840 --> 01:22:42,599
Speaker 1: I guess how do you grade their pr approach that

1783
01:22:42,520 --> 01:22:44,680
Speaker 1: The fact that they're just blatantly like it's up to

1784
01:22:44,720 --> 01:22:47,360
Speaker 1: you who cares? Is that? Is that it just.

1785
01:22:47,320 --> 01:22:50,400
Speaker 2: Tells you they're not afraid. They're absolutely not afraid at all.

1786
01:22:50,439 --> 01:22:53,000
Speaker 2: I'm sure they don't like those things right, like they

1787
01:22:53,000 --> 01:22:55,800
Speaker 2: would prefer those things not be there. But like, do

1788
01:22:55,920 --> 01:22:59,720
Speaker 2: I really think that Ari Emmanuel it can't sleep at

1789
01:22:59,800 --> 01:23:03,479
Speaker 2: night by virtue of you know, these various efforts. No,

1790
01:23:03,640 --> 01:23:06,799
Speaker 2: I don't. I think he's probably just fine, all right.

1791
01:23:06,960 --> 01:23:10,080
Speaker 1: Luke, let's transition to the topic five, And that's a

1792
01:23:10,080 --> 01:23:12,599
Speaker 1: all boxing related to m Fans can tune out now

1793
01:23:12,640 --> 01:23:14,720
Speaker 1: if you all are bitter and weird about it. But

1794
01:23:14,840 --> 01:23:17,679
Speaker 1: we got a lot going on in boxing this weekend,

1795
01:23:18,520 --> 01:23:21,479
Speaker 1: and Luke, the big focal point is certainly what's going

1796
01:23:21,479 --> 01:23:24,080
Speaker 1: on here in Verona, New York and next door Cannis

1797
01:23:24,080 --> 01:23:26,360
Speaker 1: Stowe to New York, the home of the International Boxing

1798
01:23:26,400 --> 01:23:28,599
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame. And if there was ever a weekend

1799
01:23:28,600 --> 01:23:31,000
Speaker 1: to be here which has always been my first Hall

1800
01:23:31,040 --> 01:23:32,920
Speaker 1: of Fame weekend, but it's always been told that it's like,

1801
01:23:33,400 --> 01:23:35,479
Speaker 1: you know, it's boxing Candy Land, Luke, if you're if

1802
01:23:35,479 --> 01:23:37,599
Speaker 1: you're a fan, the access you have to the Hall

1803
01:23:37,640 --> 01:23:39,880
Speaker 1: of Famers, you know you can get you can do

1804
01:23:39,960 --> 01:23:41,760
Speaker 1: drunk karaoke with them at the bar if you want.

1805
01:23:41,800 --> 01:23:42,200
Speaker 2: You know what I mean.

1806
01:23:42,240 --> 01:23:45,680
Speaker 1: I mean, it's unrivaled. This year we got three classes

1807
01:23:45,760 --> 01:23:50,280
Speaker 1: going in at as one because of COVID and also

1808
01:23:50,360 --> 01:23:52,599
Speaker 1: the first time women are going in. So this is

1809
01:23:52,680 --> 01:23:55,120
Speaker 1: just a sampling of the star studded names from these

1810
01:23:55,120 --> 01:23:58,320
Speaker 1: three classes. On the men's side, Luke, Floyd Mayweather, Roy Jones, Junior,

1811
01:23:58,400 --> 01:24:03,200
Speaker 1: Bernard Hopkins, Vladimir Let you Go, Miguel Coto, andre Ward James, Tony,

1812
01:24:03,400 --> 01:24:06,720
Speaker 1: jan Men Woll, Marcus Sugar, Shane Moseley. And then you

1813
01:24:06,840 --> 01:24:09,639
Speaker 1: got you know, these first classes of the female stars,

1814
01:24:09,840 --> 01:24:13,439
Speaker 1: Christy Martin, Leila Lee and Wolf, Holly Holm, a bunch

1815
01:24:13,479 --> 01:24:16,120
Speaker 1: of pioneers as well, and then you got you know,

1816
01:24:16,800 --> 01:24:20,439
Speaker 1: Lou de Bella, Kathy Duva, beloved promoters. This is fun, Luke.

1817
01:24:20,479 --> 01:24:22,200
Speaker 1: I've had a good time being on the grounds here

1818
01:24:22,240 --> 01:24:24,760
Speaker 1: and I went to the Hall of Fame yesterday and

1819
01:24:24,760 --> 01:24:27,960
Speaker 1: took the tour and and Luke I even signed an autograph. Okay,

1820
01:24:28,360 --> 01:24:30,080
Speaker 1: I'm not saying it was necessary. I'm not saying it

1821
01:24:30,120 --> 01:24:33,920
Speaker 1: was needed, Okay, but you know they asked and I reciprocated.

1822
01:24:34,040 --> 01:24:35,640
Speaker 2: Now, when you say you signed an autograph, does that

1823
01:24:35,720 --> 01:24:37,720
Speaker 2: mean like someone handed you a bill and you put

1824
01:24:37,720 --> 01:24:39,919
Speaker 2: your signature on it and you thought it was an autograph.

1825
01:24:40,160 --> 01:24:42,120
Speaker 1: No, some guy came running and yelling my name, and

1826
01:24:42,160 --> 01:24:44,559
Speaker 1: he's obviously collector, He's got his hands full, and he

1827
01:24:44,600 --> 01:24:46,920
Speaker 1: pulls out a five x seven of a boxing glove,

1828
01:24:46,960 --> 01:24:48,920
Speaker 1: and I'm like, you really want my autograph? So I

1829
01:24:48,920 --> 01:24:50,519
Speaker 1: start signing it in the corner so like, you know,

1830
01:24:50,560 --> 01:24:52,840
Speaker 1: it could be like no, He's like no, across the

1831
01:24:52,840 --> 01:24:55,120
Speaker 1: whole center of it. Please, So you know some guy's

1832
01:24:55,160 --> 01:24:55,720
Speaker 1: got that, Luke.

1833
01:24:55,720 --> 01:24:58,160
Speaker 2: Okay, I've had I've had it before a few times

1834
01:24:58,160 --> 01:25:01,439
Speaker 2: where folks asked me for autographs and I'm always like like, bro,

1835
01:25:01,520 --> 01:25:03,599
Speaker 2: you know, like a piece of shit, right, Like I'm

1836
01:25:03,600 --> 01:25:08,040
Speaker 2: not I'm devaluing this by by signing this, but uh, okay,

1837
01:25:08,320 --> 01:25:08,840
Speaker 2: if you want.

1838
01:25:08,680 --> 01:25:12,560
Speaker 1: Indeed, uh, Luke I, I am unable to stay the

1839
01:25:12,600 --> 01:25:16,160
Speaker 1: whole time for Sunday's induction ceremony, and you know, there's parade,

1840
01:25:16,160 --> 01:25:18,720
Speaker 1: there's there's all that. This small community really fills up

1841
01:25:18,720 --> 01:25:21,280
Speaker 1: and goes after it. But damn to have this many

1842
01:25:21,360 --> 01:25:23,920
Speaker 1: legends all in one place, it's uh, you know, most

1843
01:25:23,920 --> 01:25:26,160
Speaker 1: of them are expected to be in attendance in tonight's

1844
01:25:26,439 --> 01:25:29,360
Speaker 1: Showtime Showbox the New Generation Triple Header, which is from

1845
01:25:29,560 --> 01:25:31,360
Speaker 1: you know, the Turning Stone here in Verona, New York,

1846
01:25:31,560 --> 01:25:34,160
Speaker 1: nine pm Eastern. Check out your boy BC there, h

1847
01:25:34,240 --> 01:25:36,160
Speaker 1: you're sure you get sure to get plenty of interviews.

1848
01:25:36,200 --> 01:25:38,280
Speaker 1: Al Bernstein, the Hall of Fame himself will be on hand.

1849
01:25:38,439 --> 01:25:40,040
Speaker 1: Floyd could be in the building, you know, like we're

1850
01:25:40,080 --> 01:25:40,799
Speaker 1: talking about.

1851
01:25:41,040 --> 01:25:42,599
Speaker 2: Is Klitchko gonna make it or is he just gonna

1852
01:25:42,600 --> 01:25:44,400
Speaker 2: stay in Ukraine? Obviously give me difficult.

1853
01:25:44,560 --> 01:25:46,800
Speaker 1: I don't have any confirmation that he's coming. I know

1854
01:25:46,880 --> 01:25:49,720
Speaker 1: Floyd is expected. I've seen Miguel Cotto at breakfast. I

1855
01:25:49,840 --> 01:25:51,720
Speaker 1: ate next to James Tony yesterday. I mean there's you

1856
01:25:51,720 --> 01:25:52,719
Speaker 1: know they're here, They're here.

1857
01:25:52,680 --> 01:25:54,400
Speaker 2: Luke James. How did James look?

1858
01:25:54,920 --> 01:25:57,360
Speaker 1: He looked really good. I mean he kind of still

1859
01:25:57,600 --> 01:26:00,120
Speaker 1: looks like himself, you know, the guy we saw over

1860
01:26:00,160 --> 01:26:01,840
Speaker 1: the second half of his career, where yeah, there was

1861
01:26:01,880 --> 01:26:04,240
Speaker 1: some ups and downs, but you know, he was very

1862
01:26:04,240 --> 01:26:06,680
Speaker 1: competent as a cruiserweight and then a heavyweight toward that

1863
01:26:06,720 --> 01:26:08,400
Speaker 1: store of that tail end of his career. You know,

1864
01:26:08,479 --> 01:26:10,559
Speaker 1: some failed drug tests and some debauchery mixed in there,

1865
01:26:10,600 --> 01:26:13,559
Speaker 1: but he was funny. He was holding court. I mean, look,

1866
01:26:13,560 --> 01:26:16,400
Speaker 1: you get insane access to to to the legends here.

1867
01:26:16,560 --> 01:26:18,880
Speaker 2: What's your favorite James tonight.

1868
01:26:20,240 --> 01:26:23,439
Speaker 1: Without questioned vasili Jirov from I believe two thousand and

1869
01:26:23,520 --> 01:26:25,680
Speaker 1: three for the cruiserweight title? Was that the Mohican sign

1870
01:26:25,720 --> 01:26:29,040
Speaker 1: and Connecticut. You know, you have Emmanuel Stewart on the

1871
01:26:29,080 --> 01:26:31,880
Speaker 1: call and he's losing his mind as that fight is

1872
01:26:31,960 --> 01:26:34,519
Speaker 1: just you know, accelerating the last few rounds and when

1873
01:26:34,520 --> 01:26:36,439
Speaker 1: Tony stops him in the final round, Oh my god,

1874
01:26:36,680 --> 01:26:39,680
Speaker 1: Oh my god, look at this. Look at this. You

1875
01:26:39,680 --> 01:26:42,360
Speaker 1: know that's the call from Emmanual. It's got to be that, Luke.

1876
01:26:42,400 --> 01:26:47,559
Speaker 1: You got any others in mind? Ruay in a big one.

1877
01:26:47,600 --> 01:26:49,320
Speaker 1: He got handled by Roy, but he fought him in

1878
01:26:49,400 --> 01:26:50,040
Speaker 1: a huge fight.

1879
01:26:50,400 --> 01:26:51,679
Speaker 2: Did you like the Barkley fight?

1880
01:26:52,800 --> 01:26:54,519
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, oh yeah, that's that's.

1881
01:26:54,720 --> 01:26:56,200
Speaker 2: The one that stands out to me a little bit.

1882
01:26:56,240 --> 01:26:58,760
Speaker 2: But yep, yeah, I mean.

1883
01:26:58,680 --> 01:27:01,240
Speaker 1: He beat the vander Holyfield, he'd beat John Ruiz for

1884
01:27:01,240 --> 01:27:03,800
Speaker 1: the title, but of course the steroid just uh, you know,

1885
01:27:03,840 --> 01:27:04,760
Speaker 1: turned that around.

1886
01:27:04,520 --> 01:27:07,479
Speaker 2: The man. Folks kind of shipped on him because Katura

1887
01:27:07,720 --> 01:27:09,160
Speaker 2: mopped the floor with them, because you know it was

1888
01:27:09,160 --> 01:27:11,360
Speaker 2: all a bit of a big setup. But yeah, he

1889
01:27:11,400 --> 01:27:13,559
Speaker 2: was a cloud, just his ass off, bro, he was.

1890
01:27:15,040 --> 01:27:17,120
Speaker 1: He did it across so many divisions. Obviously the best

1891
01:27:17,120 --> 01:27:19,080
Speaker 1: of him was a you know, middleweight and super middleweight.

1892
01:27:19,120 --> 01:27:21,519
Speaker 1: But you know, his ability to to do the you know,

1893
01:27:21,680 --> 01:27:23,840
Speaker 1: showld the role on the Philly shell and just you know,

1894
01:27:24,200 --> 01:27:25,840
Speaker 1: not get hit and stand in front of guys and

1895
01:27:25,920 --> 01:27:29,920
Speaker 1: swivel and deliver. I mean, he is. That's why it's

1896
01:27:30,080 --> 01:27:31,320
Speaker 1: some of it is hard because you know the second

1897
01:27:31,320 --> 01:27:32,960
Speaker 1: half of his career had the Randy gatora fright like

1898
01:27:33,000 --> 01:27:35,040
Speaker 1: you mentioned, and you know it's kind of clownish in

1899
01:27:35,120 --> 01:27:36,760
Speaker 1: that run and and you kind of felt bad for

1900
01:27:36,840 --> 01:27:38,880
Speaker 1: him at times for how long he hung on. But

1901
01:27:39,720 --> 01:27:42,400
Speaker 1: he reinvented himself so many times because his commitment to

1902
01:27:42,439 --> 01:27:45,320
Speaker 1: his craft and was so high, and when he brought

1903
01:27:45,360 --> 01:27:46,880
Speaker 1: that to the higher way classes. Look, it was just

1904
01:27:46,920 --> 01:27:48,920
Speaker 1: really fun to see somebody, you know, dare to be

1905
01:27:48,960 --> 01:27:51,320
Speaker 1: great like that and be a factor when you started

1906
01:27:51,360 --> 01:27:53,519
Speaker 1: it at what you know, one fifty four or one sixty,

1907
01:27:53,640 --> 01:27:57,120
Speaker 1: so great career. You know. Obviously we can say what

1908
01:27:57,160 --> 01:28:00,439
Speaker 1: we will about so many Floyd Coto, Roy Jones, Junor Hopkins.

1909
01:28:00,439 --> 01:28:02,799
Speaker 1: They'll all be here going in. But Luke andre Ward

1910
01:28:02,880 --> 01:28:07,680
Speaker 1: going in and Showtime just announced yesterday that a documentary

1911
01:28:07,760 --> 01:28:09,680
Speaker 1: is going to be coming out in early twenty twenty three.

1912
01:28:09,720 --> 01:28:13,000
Speaker 1: It's andre Ward in his own words, and that's significant

1913
01:28:13,000 --> 01:28:14,439
Speaker 1: because a lot of people don't really know. He grew

1914
01:28:14,520 --> 01:28:17,360
Speaker 1: up in very less than ideal circumstances with both parents

1915
01:28:17,400 --> 01:28:20,479
Speaker 1: addicted to drugs and a lot of issues there. And

1916
01:28:20,479 --> 01:28:22,200
Speaker 1: to see him come to this point and then we

1917
01:28:22,240 --> 01:28:24,320
Speaker 1: remember him walking away as the Pomper Palm King at

1918
01:28:24,320 --> 01:28:27,439
Speaker 1: age thirty three, undefeated, just walked off and never came back.

1919
01:28:27,600 --> 01:28:29,920
Speaker 1: It's one of those unique resumes, Luke, where there's somewhat

1920
01:28:30,000 --> 01:28:32,800
Speaker 1: if in there, but also it's like, damn, andre Ward

1921
01:28:32,840 --> 01:28:33,200
Speaker 1: was great.

1922
01:28:34,080 --> 01:28:38,160
Speaker 2: It's a little habibe like, yes, some kind of comparison.

1923
01:28:37,760 --> 01:28:41,519
Speaker 1: You know, indeed, indeed, Luke, but you know, hey, Holly

1924
01:28:41,560 --> 01:28:44,240
Speaker 1: Holm on a UFC side, on a side cool, let's

1925
01:28:44,280 --> 01:28:46,919
Speaker 1: not hurt me what she did in boxing. Yeah, absolutely

1926
01:28:46,960 --> 01:28:48,519
Speaker 1: great to see her going in with this sort of

1927
01:28:49,000 --> 01:28:52,160
Speaker 1: lead class. She did win what titles in three way classes,

1928
01:28:53,120 --> 01:28:55,160
Speaker 1: you know, sixteen total title defenses. She had a heck

1929
01:28:55,200 --> 01:28:57,719
Speaker 1: of a sort of ten year run before making that switch.

1930
01:28:57,960 --> 01:28:59,920
Speaker 1: So Luke also, of course, as I mentioned, nine PM

1931
01:29:00,000 --> 01:29:03,040
Speaker 1: Easter tonight is the Showbox tripleheader. What to look out

1932
01:29:03,080 --> 01:29:05,479
Speaker 1: for from your boy BC. How about this heavyweight main event.

1933
01:29:05,640 --> 01:29:06,960
Speaker 1: I don't know if you remember this guy. He won

1934
01:29:07,000 --> 01:29:10,679
Speaker 1: super heavyweight gold in Tokyo last year for the twenty

1935
01:29:11,160 --> 01:29:14,320
Speaker 1: Games that were a year late. He's from Uzbekistan, Bakadeer

1936
01:29:14,880 --> 01:29:18,040
Speaker 1: Jallalov and Luke. He's ten and zero with ten KOs.

1937
01:29:18,320 --> 01:29:21,559
Speaker 1: He has the same trainer that Dmitri Beeval has and

1938
01:29:21,840 --> 01:29:24,920
Speaker 1: he's a guy who's six foot seven. Patterns his game

1939
01:29:25,000 --> 01:29:27,360
Speaker 1: and styles and movements like the Klitchko brothers in a

1940
01:29:27,400 --> 01:29:29,920
Speaker 1: lot of ways. I'm not saying he's you know, necessarily

1941
01:29:29,920 --> 01:29:32,719
Speaker 1: destined for that same level, but this guy can crack.

1942
01:29:32,760 --> 01:29:36,560
Speaker 1: And he's fighting former European pro basketball player jack Malawati,

1943
01:29:36,640 --> 01:29:38,840
Speaker 1: who's they call him big. Jackie's six five and a half.

1944
01:29:38,880 --> 01:29:41,600
Speaker 1: So it's a good main event to watch because Jalalov

1945
01:29:41,680 --> 01:29:43,600
Speaker 1: has been promoted by loud Bella who's going in the

1946
01:29:43,600 --> 01:29:45,920
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame this weekend, and they he believes like

1947
01:29:45,960 --> 01:29:49,040
Speaker 1: this guy's absolutely legit world class. But Luke, he's also

1948
01:29:49,040 --> 01:29:50,920
Speaker 1: never been past the fifth round up to this point,

1949
01:29:51,000 --> 01:29:52,960
Speaker 1: so that's certainly something to look forward to.

1950
01:29:53,320 --> 01:29:55,759
Speaker 2: By the way, speaking of Bivoll, I saw the ESPN

1951
01:29:55,880 --> 01:29:58,479
Speaker 2: pound for pound rankings. They didn't have Jamil Charlow in

1952
01:29:58,479 --> 01:30:02,400
Speaker 2: the top ten and they had Bivolts. That's blasphemy right.

1953
01:30:03,080 --> 01:30:05,160
Speaker 1: Well, right now, I think I have Bivol at nine

1954
01:30:05,240 --> 01:30:07,599
Speaker 1: and I had Jermal at number ten, but he dropped

1955
01:30:07,640 --> 01:30:10,360
Speaker 1: out because of Fulton Junior, and Hani and Tank are

1956
01:30:10,439 --> 01:30:12,280
Speaker 1: right there on the outside looking in with him as well.

1957
01:30:12,320 --> 01:30:14,479
Speaker 1: I mean, look, I feel like right now we have

1958
01:30:14,960 --> 01:30:17,519
Speaker 1: almost fifteen guys who are Hall of Fame top ten worthy,

1959
01:30:17,520 --> 01:30:19,360
Speaker 1: but there's only ten spots, so you gotta really.

1960
01:30:19,200 --> 01:30:20,640
Speaker 2: I don't understand what would be the case. I mean,

1961
01:30:20,640 --> 01:30:23,080
Speaker 2: I realize that Bivoll beat Canelo, and Canelo at the

1962
01:30:23,120 --> 01:30:24,920
Speaker 2: time was arguably number one pound for pound the sport,

1963
01:30:24,960 --> 01:30:27,759
Speaker 2: but it was far outside of his normal weight class.

1964
01:30:28,240 --> 01:30:30,400
Speaker 2: And yes it was a clear win, but how does

1965
01:30:30,439 --> 01:30:34,080
Speaker 2: that compare to beating the guy who just unified the

1966
01:30:34,160 --> 01:30:35,200
Speaker 2: fucking weight class.

1967
01:30:36,320 --> 01:30:39,200
Speaker 1: I think it's because Bevall is undefeated and he's really

1968
01:30:40,120 --> 01:30:41,720
Speaker 1: I mean, he took some shots from Joe Smith, but

1969
01:30:41,720 --> 01:30:44,559
Speaker 1: he's really like not been touched up on the elite level.

1970
01:30:44,600 --> 01:30:47,040
Speaker 1: I mean, he's been pretty dominant in his own weight class,

1971
01:30:47,040 --> 01:30:50,200
Speaker 1: even if sometimes it's been very boring wide decisions, and

1972
01:30:50,240 --> 01:30:51,560
Speaker 1: then he goes in there against the biggest star on

1973
01:30:51,600 --> 01:30:53,240
Speaker 1: the sport. I get the size of difference that you're saying,

1974
01:30:53,240 --> 01:30:55,720
Speaker 1: but it was it was convincing. I mean, I'm I'm

1975
01:30:55,760 --> 01:30:57,640
Speaker 1: fine with it, but like I said, if you have

1976
01:30:57,800 --> 01:31:01,120
Speaker 1: him out and instead you have Charlo Tank, Hany Fulton

1977
01:31:01,280 --> 01:31:04,960
Speaker 1: or anyone else in Jan Francisco Estrada. At this point,

1978
01:31:05,000 --> 01:31:07,000
Speaker 1: there's literally fifteen guys who deserve to be in this

1979
01:31:07,040 --> 01:31:10,880
Speaker 1: top ten. So I understand what you're saying, but that

1980
01:31:10,880 --> 01:31:12,519
Speaker 1: can All fight wasn't easy for him, even though at

1981
01:31:12,560 --> 01:31:13,920
Speaker 1: times he made it look so luke. I mean, he

1982
01:31:13,960 --> 01:31:14,400
Speaker 1: had to be here.

1983
01:31:15,400 --> 01:31:18,600
Speaker 2: He thought it a noteworthy, noteworthy, much smaller guy. I

1984
01:31:18,640 --> 01:31:21,680
Speaker 2: just don't see how on earth that compares to unifying

1985
01:31:21,720 --> 01:31:25,240
Speaker 2: all four belts in a very difficult weight class. Like yes,

1986
01:31:25,320 --> 01:31:26,960
Speaker 2: I don't know. I mean obviously you know about boxing

1987
01:31:26,960 --> 01:31:28,839
Speaker 2: better than I do. I'm just I'm a little confused

1988
01:31:28,840 --> 01:31:29,040
Speaker 2: by it.

1989
01:31:30,040 --> 01:31:32,639
Speaker 1: No, I mean it's it pained me to take Dremal

1990
01:31:32,680 --> 01:31:34,519
Speaker 1: out of my top ten, not by any thing he

1991
01:31:34,560 --> 01:31:38,360
Speaker 1: did wrong. Luke is just again, it's like, damn, you know, damn.

1992
01:31:38,400 --> 01:31:40,400
Speaker 1: I mean, Fulton is deserving in this car. He's in

1993
01:31:40,400 --> 01:31:44,920
Speaker 1: this conversation, Luke Haiti is in this conversation, right, No.

1994
01:31:45,000 --> 01:31:47,640
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, Hanny's in the conversation. Candidly, I'm gonna say,

1995
01:31:47,640 --> 01:31:50,519
Speaker 2: I don't know if Tank is for me. For me,

1996
01:31:50,600 --> 01:31:52,160
Speaker 2: I think a top fifteen, Yes, I don't know if

1997
01:31:52,160 --> 01:31:53,639
Speaker 2: i'd put him in the top ten given the strength

1998
01:31:53,680 --> 01:31:55,559
Speaker 2: of schedule. This is what I mean. It's like we're

1999
01:31:55,560 --> 01:31:57,920
Speaker 2: gonna put Tank higher than Dremmel Charlow, Like, on what

2000
01:31:58,000 --> 01:32:01,160
Speaker 2: fucking planet does that make sense? No way. You cannot

2001
01:32:01,200 --> 01:32:05,000
Speaker 2: put his accomplishments at all on par with Charlow's, no chance.

2002
01:32:05,080 --> 01:32:07,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's not accomplishments only. It's the mixture of

2003
01:32:07,439 --> 01:32:10,599
Speaker 1: accomplishments to get there, and then mixed with really, how

2004
01:32:10,640 --> 01:32:13,479
Speaker 1: great are you? How do you compete against your take?

2005
01:32:13,640 --> 01:32:17,120
Speaker 2: That's great? He hasn't fought anybody that makes you fully understand.

2006
01:32:16,720 --> 01:32:20,120
Speaker 1: The look at look is pomfretpount a science, No, and

2007
01:32:20,160 --> 01:32:22,599
Speaker 1: people have wildly different views of it. Unfortunately a lot

2008
01:32:22,600 --> 01:32:24,639
Speaker 1: of people are very ignorant how they look at it, Luke.

2009
01:32:24,800 --> 01:32:26,720
Speaker 1: But it still comes down to what you prefer, and

2010
01:32:26,760 --> 01:32:29,680
Speaker 1: for me, the eye test matters a lot. I always say,

2011
01:32:29,720 --> 01:32:31,920
Speaker 1: it's what you've accomplished that gets you in the conversation.

2012
01:32:32,000 --> 01:32:34,280
Speaker 1: But to me, it's the mythical who would beat who?

2013
01:32:34,320 --> 01:32:36,120
Speaker 1: Because as we know, these guys can't fight each other

2014
01:32:36,240 --> 01:32:37,800
Speaker 1: when they're far apart and wait, so the only thing

2015
01:32:37,840 --> 01:32:39,840
Speaker 1: you can do is mythically say, okay, based on the

2016
01:32:39,920 --> 01:32:42,360
Speaker 1: strength and weaknesses they have in their own division, how

2017
01:32:42,360 --> 01:32:44,160
Speaker 1: would they fare against this guy. It's why it's hard

2018
01:32:44,160 --> 01:32:46,960
Speaker 1: for heavyweights typically to get votes. Although right now I've

2019
01:32:46,960 --> 01:32:48,920
Speaker 1: got Usick and Fury in my top ten because they

2020
01:32:48,920 --> 01:32:51,360
Speaker 1: both seem to be that special. When I look at

2021
01:32:51,360 --> 01:32:53,280
Speaker 1: that eye test, I think Gervonte is way better than

2022
01:32:53,280 --> 01:32:55,559
Speaker 1: people realize. I really do. Look, I really believe that.

2023
01:32:55,720 --> 01:32:56,439
Speaker 1: I believe that.

2024
01:32:56,439 --> 01:32:57,960
Speaker 2: Well, let me just let me ask one final question

2025
01:32:57,960 --> 01:32:59,720
Speaker 2: about that, because it's a bit of a side conversation.

2026
01:33:00,400 --> 01:33:04,080
Speaker 2: So yeah, okay, give me a win. That tank has

2027
01:33:04,160 --> 01:33:06,639
Speaker 2: that's as good as Charlo beating Lubin in the first round.

2028
01:33:09,040 --> 01:33:12,559
Speaker 1: I mean him stopping Jose Sniper Padraza for the title.

2029
01:33:12,720 --> 01:33:14,040
Speaker 1: That's that's a pretty damn good win.

2030
01:33:14,120 --> 01:33:16,559
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, I'm right.

2031
01:33:16,640 --> 01:33:19,479
Speaker 1: But then Africa Santa Cruz, you know what I mean,

2032
01:33:19,520 --> 01:33:21,760
Speaker 1: And they met in the middle and.

2033
01:33:21,479 --> 01:33:23,720
Speaker 2: Santa C's one, the Santa Cruz one is nice. But

2034
01:33:23,760 --> 01:33:25,519
Speaker 2: then after he beat Lubin, he beat Trout, he did

2035
01:33:25,600 --> 01:33:28,719
Speaker 2: lose to Harrisonbody, got it back, Jorge Cota, Jason Rosario,

2036
01:33:29,120 --> 01:33:31,679
Speaker 2: and then he obviously finished off Brian Castano. The first

2037
01:33:31,680 --> 01:33:34,360
Speaker 2: fight was kind of crazy as a split draw. I

2038
01:33:34,400 --> 01:33:37,480
Speaker 2: don't know, dude, I think his resume is vastly superior.

2039
01:33:37,640 --> 01:33:39,519
Speaker 1: But okay, but I guess again it comes back to

2040
01:33:39,560 --> 01:33:42,080
Speaker 1: what are you putting more weight in to me? Resume

2041
01:33:42,160 --> 01:33:44,120
Speaker 1: gets you to this point of this conversation. But I

2042
01:33:44,160 --> 01:33:46,000
Speaker 1: think I test has to be a part of it

2043
01:33:46,120 --> 01:33:47,920
Speaker 1: if you're properly going to do a POUMP for pomp,

2044
01:33:47,920 --> 01:33:50,200
Speaker 1: because what's the real meaning. We're trying to find out

2045
01:33:50,479 --> 01:33:52,439
Speaker 1: who's the best and in what order, and some of

2046
01:33:52,479 --> 01:33:54,120
Speaker 1: that is the mythical who would beat who, but some

2047
01:33:54,200 --> 01:33:56,519
Speaker 1: of it is just Luke, I've seen Jamel Charlow in

2048
01:33:56,560 --> 01:33:59,280
Speaker 1: my eyes, lose twice. Right. Yes, he's come back and

2049
01:33:59,280 --> 01:34:02,600
Speaker 1: made great adjustine once. Right, But with my eyes, I

2050
01:34:02,600 --> 01:34:05,719
Speaker 1: thought he lost the first fight, you know, Castano. So

2051
01:34:05,760 --> 01:34:09,160
Speaker 1: sometimes that that factors in, you know, and with it, I.

2052
01:34:09,160 --> 01:34:11,080
Speaker 2: Just think that, like, here's the thing, there's no doubt

2053
01:34:11,080 --> 01:34:13,599
Speaker 2: that Tank is extremely talented. I've said it for before,

2054
01:34:13,640 --> 01:34:17,160
Speaker 2: I'll say it again. He is obviously quite quite a fighter,

2055
01:34:18,920 --> 01:34:22,240
Speaker 2: and I get that there. You know, Charlo's resume is

2056
01:34:22,280 --> 01:34:24,360
Speaker 2: not perfect, but dude, Charlow has had to do, in

2057
01:34:24,400 --> 01:34:26,880
Speaker 2: my judgment, for whatever that is worth, Charlo has had

2058
01:34:26,920 --> 01:34:31,800
Speaker 2: to do, you know, infinitely more difficult work. And so

2059
01:34:32,160 --> 01:34:34,720
Speaker 2: if you're fighting guys, yes, there are some very good

2060
01:34:34,720 --> 01:34:37,200
Speaker 2: fighters that Tank has beat, but you know, I don't

2061
01:34:37,200 --> 01:34:39,840
Speaker 2: consider really one of them. And I think if Charlo

2062
01:34:39,880 --> 01:34:42,160
Speaker 2: had the strength of schedule that a guy like Tank

2063
01:34:42,240 --> 01:34:45,800
Speaker 2: did it, we would have very different conversations. And I

2064
01:34:45,800 --> 01:34:48,000
Speaker 2: think Tank is being graded on a curve because he

2065
01:34:48,080 --> 01:34:51,040
Speaker 2: is so good and he's a much bigger star. There

2066
01:34:51,120 --> 01:34:54,160
Speaker 2: is no denying that, and so that's just my personal opinion.

2067
01:34:54,160 --> 01:34:55,120
Speaker 2: But again, I you know, I.

2068
01:34:55,240 --> 01:34:58,560
Speaker 1: Did your argument. Your argument is not wrong at the

2069
01:34:58,640 --> 01:34:59,880
Speaker 1: end of the day, and that's, you know, certainly what

2070
01:35:00,000 --> 01:35:02,280
Speaker 1: a lot of people are hoping that Davonte continues to

2071
01:35:02,280 --> 01:35:05,439
Speaker 1: climb the ladder and really test himself. Luke, couple quick

2072
01:35:05,760 --> 01:35:07,920
Speaker 1: boxing notes of what to look for this weekend. Saturday.

2073
01:35:08,120 --> 01:35:10,640
Speaker 1: ESPN Plus has a card in New York City and

2074
01:35:10,760 --> 01:35:13,960
Speaker 1: Edgar Burlonga, the rising unbeaten super middleweight who of course

2075
01:35:14,000 --> 01:35:16,439
Speaker 1: had sixteen ko's in the first round in his first

2076
01:35:16,479 --> 01:35:20,120
Speaker 1: sixteen fights. Now he's on a three fight non ko streak,

2077
01:35:20,160 --> 01:35:22,479
Speaker 1: and to be honest, Luke, there's some questions here. He's

2078
01:35:22,600 --> 01:35:26,920
Speaker 1: welcoming thirty eight year old romer Alexis Angulo, who you know,

2079
01:35:26,920 --> 01:35:29,120
Speaker 1: we've seen him on Showtime before as an opponent. He's

2080
01:35:29,160 --> 01:35:32,200
Speaker 1: tough about is right, absolutely, and he's.

2081
01:35:31,920 --> 01:35:35,479
Speaker 2: A Colombian guy. He's Colombian if memory serves asoutely so.

2082
01:35:35,520 --> 01:35:37,639
Speaker 1: If Berlango is taking the step in the wrong direction,

2083
01:35:37,760 --> 01:35:39,920
Speaker 1: this could be something. But I want to ask you

2084
01:35:39,960 --> 01:35:43,559
Speaker 1: this straight up. Does Burlongo need to restart that knockout streak?

2085
01:35:43,600 --> 01:35:45,439
Speaker 1: Maybe not first round, but does he need to stop

2086
01:35:45,479 --> 01:35:48,599
Speaker 1: this guy here and physically dominate him to avoid us

2087
01:35:49,240 --> 01:35:51,679
Speaker 1: feeling like we've seen him exposed even though he's never lost.

2088
01:35:52,040 --> 01:35:54,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like, the thing is, do I expect from Burlonga

2089
01:35:54,439 --> 01:35:57,680
Speaker 2: what I saw from Benevitez. I think that's unfair for Burlonga.

2090
01:35:57,760 --> 01:35:59,000
Speaker 2: Not a lot of guys are going to do what

2091
01:35:59,040 --> 01:36:01,599
Speaker 2: Benavidez did to us, So you know, as a basis

2092
01:36:01,640 --> 01:36:04,200
Speaker 2: of comparison, I'm just gonna let that go. But still,

2093
01:36:04,600 --> 01:36:06,479
Speaker 2: what benavide has showed is that there's a lot of

2094
01:36:06,520 --> 01:36:09,599
Speaker 2: times and Gulo just kind of covers up, walks into punches.

2095
01:36:09,920 --> 01:36:11,559
Speaker 2: He's there to be hit. Is the point I'd like

2096
01:36:11,600 --> 01:36:16,280
Speaker 2: to make. Burlonga needs to show stop him. Would be

2097
01:36:16,320 --> 01:36:18,400
Speaker 2: obviously be great. I'm not even saying he has to

2098
01:36:18,400 --> 01:36:20,840
Speaker 2: do that, but Burlonga has to really put it on him.

2099
01:36:21,120 --> 01:36:22,439
Speaker 2: Put it on him. Not in a kind of way

2100
01:36:22,439 --> 01:36:24,360
Speaker 2: where he's kind of eking it out and you know

2101
01:36:24,680 --> 01:36:26,760
Speaker 2: he's getting hit. It's fifty to fifty, but maybe he

2102
01:36:26,760 --> 01:36:28,400
Speaker 2: did a little bit more. No, like, you need to

2103
01:36:28,439 --> 01:36:31,280
Speaker 2: stunt on this guy because he is, truly he's an

2104
01:36:31,280 --> 01:36:34,000
Speaker 2: older guy. He covers up a lot, he doesn't throw

2105
01:36:34,040 --> 01:36:37,360
Speaker 2: a lot of volume. Burlonga really should look good here

2106
01:36:37,400 --> 01:36:39,080
Speaker 2: if he's at all what we thought him to be,

2107
01:36:39,160 --> 01:36:43,040
Speaker 2: and if this isn't all close. That's a terrible sign

2108
01:36:43,080 --> 01:36:44,400
Speaker 2: for Burlonga. Yeah, terrible.

2109
01:36:44,479 --> 01:36:46,160
Speaker 1: I think if he stops him and looks great, he

2110
01:36:46,240 --> 01:36:49,679
Speaker 1: restarts that hype machine that got stalled. I mean, don't forget.

2111
01:36:49,680 --> 01:36:50,840
Speaker 1: I mean he was you know, I had him on

2112
01:36:50,840 --> 01:36:53,200
Speaker 1: the show, I interviewed him. You know he's texting FaceTime

2113
01:36:53,240 --> 01:36:55,080
Speaker 1: in Fat Joe. I mean, he's got the celebrity connection.

2114
01:36:55,520 --> 01:36:57,320
Speaker 1: How could some of that not go to his head?

2115
01:36:57,360 --> 01:36:59,559
Speaker 1: When to be fair, if you get sixteen first round

2116
01:36:59,600 --> 01:37:02,160
Speaker 1: KOs for sixteen fights, you don't know how good you are.

2117
01:37:02,320 --> 01:37:03,720
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, you don't know how good you are. You

2118
01:37:03,760 --> 01:37:05,960
Speaker 1: don't know how you'll respond to things. And in this

2119
01:37:06,120 --> 01:37:08,680
Speaker 1: three fights of No Ko's Luke, where we saw him

2120
01:37:08,720 --> 01:37:10,680
Speaker 1: get dropped, we saw him fight through injuries. I mean,

2121
01:37:10,680 --> 01:37:13,479
Speaker 1: he's had some adversity. The good news is he never lost.

2122
01:37:13,760 --> 01:37:15,559
Speaker 1: The bad news is he's yet to show us up

2123
01:37:15,600 --> 01:37:18,200
Speaker 1: to this point that he's corrected those and that he

2124
01:37:18,320 --> 01:37:20,920
Speaker 1: is the guy that showed all that great potential. But

2125
01:37:21,200 --> 01:37:22,640
Speaker 1: you know, that's what this fight is all about, so

2126
01:37:22,680 --> 01:37:25,200
Speaker 1: it's worth tuning in for that. Luke Dezona is gonna

2127
01:37:25,200 --> 01:37:29,280
Speaker 1: give us your guy Hami Mungia Unfortunately, not once again

2128
01:37:29,560 --> 01:37:31,920
Speaker 1: not against the name we care about in Jimmy Kelly

2129
01:37:32,160 --> 01:37:36,080
Speaker 1: from I Believe the UK. Even Oscar de la Hoya Luke,

2130
01:37:36,120 --> 01:37:38,439
Speaker 1: in his round of interviews this week not the best

2131
01:37:38,439 --> 01:37:41,240
Speaker 1: move by a promoter, admitted, I've never heard of Jimmy Kelly.

2132
01:37:41,240 --> 01:37:43,120
Speaker 1: I've never seen him fight before. Now he was making

2133
01:37:43,120 --> 01:37:45,240
Speaker 1: that argument to try to say that they tried to

2134
01:37:45,240 --> 01:37:48,559
Speaker 1: make a fight against the Charlo bro and Oscar's been blaming,

2135
01:37:48,640 --> 01:37:51,720
Speaker 1: you know, showtime at PBC for not being willing to

2136
01:37:51,760 --> 01:37:55,960
Speaker 1: do it. Obviously there's deeper sort of business financial concerns.

2137
01:37:55,960 --> 01:37:57,960
Speaker 1: There is a fight big enough to be on both networks. No,

2138
01:37:58,280 --> 01:38:01,240
Speaker 1: so unless one person is willing to give their fighter

2139
01:38:01,280 --> 01:38:03,400
Speaker 1: away and some kind of trade, you're not going to

2140
01:38:03,439 --> 01:38:07,320
Speaker 1: see it. So Oscar, you know, unfortunately once again stepped

2141
01:38:07,320 --> 01:38:09,160
Speaker 1: into the bear trap Luke as he's pissing on his

2142
01:38:09,160 --> 01:38:12,679
Speaker 1: own main event while he's trying to promote it. All

2143
01:38:12,720 --> 01:38:14,840
Speaker 1: that to be said, you are a Mongia guy, but

2144
01:38:14,920 --> 01:38:18,000
Speaker 1: are you losing interest on this level of matchmaking big time?

2145
01:38:18,120 --> 01:38:21,320
Speaker 2: They're they're wasting this kid's time and all of our

2146
01:38:21,360 --> 01:38:23,960
Speaker 2: time as well. I mean, who's to say Mungia you

2147
01:38:23,960 --> 01:38:26,880
Speaker 2: would agree, is much more proven than someone like Berloga

2148
01:38:27,000 --> 01:38:29,000
Speaker 2: for example, Like I think I do think Mungia is

2149
01:38:29,080 --> 01:38:31,800
Speaker 2: much much better. But at the same time, it's like, dude,

2150
01:38:31,800 --> 01:38:34,320
Speaker 2: what are we doing with this fucking shit? Like and

2151
01:38:34,360 --> 01:38:36,479
Speaker 2: then it was hilarious, did you see on Twitter? He

2152
01:38:36,680 --> 01:38:39,360
Speaker 2: you think you shared it with us on text? Fucking

2153
01:38:39,760 --> 01:38:42,400
Speaker 2: Oscar was like, you know, I got a ten figure

2154
01:38:42,439 --> 01:38:44,560
Speaker 2: offer and I'm like, of what Golden boy coins? Like,

2155
01:38:44,600 --> 01:38:46,439
Speaker 2: who's given you a ten figure offer for Golden Boys?

2156
01:38:46,560 --> 01:38:47,800
Speaker 2: And then on top of it, he's like, I would

2157
01:38:47,840 --> 01:38:49,720
Speaker 2: love to work with Dana after you two shit on

2158
01:38:49,760 --> 01:38:53,120
Speaker 2: each other in the most violent way possible, Like he's

2159
01:38:53,479 --> 01:38:55,720
Speaker 2: I don't really know what Oscar is doing to be

2160
01:38:55,800 --> 01:38:56,240
Speaker 2: I don't.

2161
01:38:56,040 --> 01:38:58,400
Speaker 1: Want to make the same jokes everybody does when he

2162
01:38:58,439 --> 01:39:00,559
Speaker 1: does ridiculous things that you know they makes the same

2163
01:39:00,640 --> 01:39:03,519
Speaker 1: jokes too, about because he's had a sordid history of

2164
01:39:03,560 --> 01:39:06,080
Speaker 1: issues with substances, Luke, and it's it's sad to see,

2165
01:39:06,360 --> 01:39:10,120
Speaker 1: but he's a character now of himself. And I hate

2166
01:39:10,120 --> 01:39:11,920
Speaker 1: to say that because he is my favorite boxer. You know,

2167
01:39:12,160 --> 01:39:12,800
Speaker 1: you can't pick, but.

2168
01:39:12,840 --> 01:39:16,880
Speaker 2: You'll still understand, dude, if you missed d La Hoya's heyday, dude,

2169
01:39:16,920 --> 01:39:20,599
Speaker 2: he was the king you know.

2170
01:39:20,760 --> 01:39:22,640
Speaker 1: The best thing that came out of his repute, like

2171
01:39:22,720 --> 01:39:25,120
Speaker 1: his legacy, is this, right, his Hall of fame. Absolutely,

2172
01:39:25,200 --> 01:39:29,120
Speaker 1: multidivision champion, star of the sport for a for a stretch.

2173
01:39:29,880 --> 01:39:32,559
Speaker 1: But he always went out of his way to make

2174
01:39:32,600 --> 01:39:34,640
Speaker 1: tough matchups, to make the biggest fight available, to move

2175
01:39:34,720 --> 01:39:37,280
Speaker 1: up to middleweight and fight Bernard Hopkins for all four belts,

2176
01:39:37,320 --> 01:39:40,760
Speaker 1: right like he always, always, always, you know, making the

2177
01:39:40,760 --> 01:39:43,040
Speaker 1: fight against Floyd when he still had some left in

2178
01:39:43,040 --> 01:39:45,000
Speaker 1: the tank, making the fight against Pakio when he got

2179
01:39:45,000 --> 01:39:46,360
Speaker 1: his ass kicked, and he shouldn't have been in there

2180
01:39:46,360 --> 01:39:49,200
Speaker 1: at that weight, but he always, always, always, Now, of course,

2181
01:39:49,360 --> 01:39:53,040
Speaker 1: the resume is partially damaged by the abuse he put

2182
01:39:53,080 --> 01:39:54,800
Speaker 1: his body through in the second half of his career,

2183
01:39:54,800 --> 01:39:57,200
Speaker 1: which I think led to him losing more big fights

2184
01:39:57,240 --> 01:40:00,200
Speaker 1: than he won. But nobody looks at his legacy has

2185
01:40:00,240 --> 01:40:02,720
Speaker 1: anything but damn. That guy's a badass. But yet Luke,

2186
01:40:02,760 --> 01:40:05,280
Speaker 1: since his retirement, all he does is piss on his

2187
01:40:05,280 --> 01:40:07,280
Speaker 1: own legacy with the way he acts, and it sucks,

2188
01:40:07,320 --> 01:40:09,519
Speaker 1: you know. And now he's saying, oh, man, I dodged

2189
01:40:09,560 --> 01:40:11,960
Speaker 1: a bullet by not boxing Vitor Bellford. I would have

2190
01:40:11,960 --> 01:40:14,080
Speaker 1: got hurt dude, you you didn't dodge a bullet, you

2191
01:40:14,240 --> 01:40:16,040
Speaker 1: perfect injury and pulled out of the fight because you

2192
01:40:16,080 --> 01:40:18,080
Speaker 1: knew it was a bad choice. So you know what

2193
01:40:18,120 --> 01:40:20,200
Speaker 1: I mean, Like, it's just damn, luke, damn.

2194
01:40:20,640 --> 01:40:22,639
Speaker 2: One little story about Hadela Hoya that sort of stands

2195
01:40:22,680 --> 01:40:24,120
Speaker 2: with me is that when I was dating my wife

2196
01:40:24,160 --> 01:40:26,400
Speaker 2: at first, this is when he fought pachiaw she really

2197
01:40:26,400 --> 01:40:29,080
Speaker 2: wanted to see it. And you understand something about Columbia,

2198
01:40:29,160 --> 01:40:31,880
Speaker 2: like it boxing is big there, but it's not like

2199
01:40:31,920 --> 01:40:35,240
Speaker 2: it is in Mexico or like Puerto Rico or Cuba

2200
01:40:35,320 --> 01:40:37,280
Speaker 2: or something like that, Like it definitely is very very

2201
01:40:37,280 --> 01:40:40,080
Speaker 2: popular there, but not nearly to the same degree. And

2202
01:40:40,120 --> 01:40:42,799
Speaker 2: she was saying that when de Hoya fought in the States,

2203
01:40:42,800 --> 01:40:44,479
Speaker 2: obviously he was supposed to be like the big you

2204
01:40:44,479 --> 01:40:47,479
Speaker 2: know presence there and for you know, certain Latin American markets.

2205
01:40:48,880 --> 01:40:51,880
Speaker 2: She said, even all of Columbia when she was growing up,

2206
01:40:51,920 --> 01:40:53,760
Speaker 2: like it was a big deal when Oscar de la

2207
01:40:53,800 --> 01:40:55,920
Speaker 2: Hoya fought, which was like, she couldn't tell me if

2208
01:40:55,920 --> 01:40:58,760
Speaker 2: that was true for any other even Latino fighter, like

2209
01:40:58,800 --> 01:41:02,120
Speaker 2: that was very very rare. He was a huge, huge,

2210
01:41:02,240 --> 01:41:05,519
Speaker 2: huge and now he's just like I don't know what

2211
01:41:05,600 --> 01:41:06,920
Speaker 2: he's doing. I really don't go.

2212
01:41:06,920 --> 01:41:10,400
Speaker 1: Watch the tape of when Early Prime Oscar fought Patrick

2213
01:41:10,520 --> 01:41:13,720
Speaker 1: Charpontier in El Paso, Texas at the outdoor Stadium, and

2214
01:41:14,000 --> 01:41:17,000
Speaker 1: the crowd was a sellout. There were mounds of people

2215
01:41:17,080 --> 01:41:21,040
Speaker 1: chasing after Isaac, after Oscar and Luke. The crowd was

2216
01:41:21,080 --> 01:41:23,880
Speaker 1: like ninety percent teenage girls like he. He was a

2217
01:41:23,920 --> 01:41:27,080
Speaker 1: different kind of draw. But once again, with his matchmaking

2218
01:41:27,120 --> 01:41:30,559
Speaker 1: and the way he fought, particularly the first half of

2219
01:41:30,600 --> 01:41:32,280
Speaker 1: his career, really that trend of that fight seemed to

2220
01:41:32,320 --> 01:41:34,280
Speaker 1: change him in a lot of weird ways, as was

2221
01:41:34,360 --> 01:41:35,880
Speaker 1: the weird ending in the way that he sort of

2222
01:41:35,880 --> 01:41:38,600
Speaker 1: circled away. But you know, he was a badass. He

2223
01:41:38,640 --> 01:41:40,880
Speaker 1: was an absolute badass Luke, So I hate to see

2224
01:41:41,160 --> 01:41:44,280
Speaker 1: who he's become. Anyway, speaking of Oscar, it's a perfect transition.

2225
01:41:44,800 --> 01:41:47,200
Speaker 1: Our friend Shaq MAJORI caught up with him for CBS Sports.

2226
01:41:47,200 --> 01:41:49,400
Speaker 1: He stepped up and Luke one of the big fall

2227
01:41:49,400 --> 01:41:53,479
Speaker 1: out you know, rollout topics from from Tank Davis's knockout

2228
01:41:53,479 --> 01:41:55,559
Speaker 1: of Roly Romero and the idea of Okay, he is

2229
01:41:55,600 --> 01:41:57,479
Speaker 1: that star. We know who he is, but I got

2230
01:41:57,479 --> 01:42:00,040
Speaker 1: to see him fight the other stars. We know the

2231
01:41:59,880 --> 01:42:03,800
Speaker 1: stance that Leonard Llerby and Mayweather the promotions I've taken,

2232
01:42:03,840 --> 01:42:05,960
Speaker 1: which is basically, we want to fight those other guys too,

2233
01:42:06,000 --> 01:42:07,960
Speaker 1: but you've got to come to us, which is hard

2234
01:42:08,000 --> 01:42:09,799
Speaker 1: to do in this day and age with the networks

2235
01:42:09,800 --> 01:42:12,000
Speaker 1: being so tied into the promoters and all the exclusive

2236
01:42:12,000 --> 01:42:14,880
Speaker 1: deals so shacked. You know. Ask Oscar de la Hoya

2237
01:42:14,880 --> 01:42:18,200
Speaker 1: on the other side, who represents Ryan Garcia. Are you serious?

2238
01:42:18,200 --> 01:42:20,040
Speaker 1: How do we make this fight Ryan Garcia versus Tank

2239
01:42:20,120 --> 01:42:21,920
Speaker 1: Davis to close the year. We know ryguy wants it.

2240
01:42:22,040 --> 01:42:23,400
Speaker 1: Let's see what Oscar said.

2241
01:42:23,800 --> 01:42:29,120
Speaker 6: Obviously, the fight to make is Ryan Garcia versus Tank Davis.

2242
01:42:30,080 --> 01:42:37,519
Speaker 6: And Ryan Garcia winning July sixteenth against Fortuna, We'll put

2243
01:42:37,600 --> 01:42:41,920
Speaker 6: Ryan Garcia in a position where he has a shot

2244
01:42:41,680 --> 01:42:45,120
Speaker 6: at fighting the very best, and that's Tank Davis. I

2245
01:42:45,200 --> 01:42:49,759
Speaker 6: want to make Tank Davis a multi multi million dollar

2246
01:42:49,840 --> 01:42:57,120
Speaker 6: offer to fight Ryan Garcia, possibly in October November. So

2247
01:42:57,520 --> 01:43:02,000
Speaker 6: if Tank Davis is listening, let's make this fight happen.

2248
01:43:02,120 --> 01:43:07,960
Speaker 6: Ryan Garcia wants to fight to Mayweather Promotions, I believe

2249
01:43:09,200 --> 01:43:12,840
Speaker 6: is your promoter. I can work with Mayweather, you can

2250
01:43:12,880 --> 01:43:16,360
Speaker 6: fight Ryan Garcia. Let's let's make this happen. It's the

2251
01:43:16,360 --> 01:43:21,200
Speaker 6: biggest fight in boxing today.

2252
01:43:22,360 --> 01:43:24,200
Speaker 1: Look, I don't like that, and I don't like when

2253
01:43:24,240 --> 01:43:26,479
Speaker 1: the same thing is said on the other side either.

2254
01:43:26,800 --> 01:43:29,400
Speaker 1: It's the idea that like like for this fight to happen.

2255
01:43:29,439 --> 01:43:31,640
Speaker 1: It's it's kind of gotta be a two you know,

2256
01:43:31,680 --> 01:43:33,559
Speaker 1: a two network pay per view. Now, is it up

2257
01:43:33,600 --> 01:43:36,120
Speaker 1: that level? You can argue not. But they also have

2258
01:43:36,240 --> 01:43:38,559
Speaker 1: huge followings. Tank is a star, Ryan Garcia is a star,

2259
01:43:38,640 --> 01:43:40,680
Speaker 1: whether he's proven or not. There's some of these same

2260
01:43:40,720 --> 01:43:43,519
Speaker 1: issues as Jervonte. But I know at the end he says,

2261
01:43:43,560 --> 01:43:45,559
Speaker 1: you know, I'm willing to work with them too. But

2262
01:43:45,720 --> 01:43:48,120
Speaker 1: when you say, hey, Tank, I'll send you a giant,

2263
01:43:48,200 --> 01:43:50,519
Speaker 1: multimillion dollar offer, you don't actually mean you want to

2264
01:43:50,520 --> 01:43:52,599
Speaker 1: work with them. You mean I want him to come

2265
01:43:52,640 --> 01:43:54,479
Speaker 1: to my side and my TV and put it on

2266
01:43:54,560 --> 01:43:56,920
Speaker 1: his own, you know. And on the same side, Steven Espillos,

2267
01:43:56,960 --> 01:43:59,040
Speaker 1: a Showtime was quoted in the story is saying, you know,

2268
01:43:59,080 --> 01:44:00,320
Speaker 1: we don't want to do a two net work deal

2269
01:44:00,360 --> 01:44:01,760
Speaker 1: with his own. They don't bring anything to the table.

2270
01:44:01,760 --> 01:44:04,240
Speaker 1: They don't have Ryan Garcia under contract, they have Golden

2271
01:44:04,240 --> 01:44:07,640
Speaker 1: Boy under contract. So really, Luke, unless Ryan Garcia is

2272
01:44:07,640 --> 01:44:09,040
Speaker 1: going to follow through on some of the threats he

2273
01:44:09,080 --> 01:44:10,960
Speaker 1: made of like I'm going to get this Tank fight,

2274
01:44:11,000 --> 01:44:12,559
Speaker 1: even if even you know, I'm not gonna let Golden

2275
01:44:12,600 --> 01:44:14,720
Speaker 1: Boy get in the way. If you can pull that off,

2276
01:44:14,840 --> 01:44:16,559
Speaker 1: legal league and you can come over and we'll do

2277
01:44:16,600 --> 01:44:18,920
Speaker 1: this fight on you know, potentially show time pay per

2278
01:44:18,960 --> 01:44:21,759
Speaker 1: view with PBC running it, that's great, But you heard Oscar,

2279
01:44:21,800 --> 01:44:24,879
Speaker 1: that's hard to believe that that's realistic given the business

2280
01:44:24,880 --> 01:44:27,519
Speaker 1: climate at the moment, unless everyone was willing to all

2281
01:44:27,560 --> 01:44:28,120
Speaker 1: work together.

2282
01:44:29,120 --> 01:44:30,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're right, you're right. I don't I don't know

2283
01:44:30,960 --> 01:44:32,360
Speaker 2: what's going to happen with Tank. I would love to

2284
01:44:32,400 --> 01:44:38,240
Speaker 2: see Tank versus Ryan, Yes, I could be.

2285
01:44:40,560 --> 01:44:43,479
Speaker 1: It would be really big because either guy could in

2286
01:44:43,560 --> 01:44:45,559
Speaker 1: theory win that by knockout. You really don't know.

2287
01:44:45,720 --> 01:44:47,760
Speaker 2: I mean, and Dave and you know, Tank has had

2288
01:44:47,760 --> 01:44:50,040
Speaker 2: some good pay per view numbers. I think Tank versus

2289
01:44:50,160 --> 01:44:53,760
Speaker 2: Ryan Garcia, I think minimum half a million buys minimum.

2290
01:44:53,840 --> 01:44:58,840
Speaker 1: Oh oh yes, yes, minimum, definitely. So it's I don't

2291
01:44:58,840 --> 01:45:00,639
Speaker 1: want to be that, you know, bear bad news because

2292
01:45:00,640 --> 01:45:02,800
Speaker 1: we have seen the streak get you know, the sides

2293
01:45:02,840 --> 01:45:05,040
Speaker 1: of the street get closer for some big fights. But

2294
01:45:05,080 --> 01:45:07,599
Speaker 1: we got to have all players involved here be willing

2295
01:45:07,640 --> 01:45:09,880
Speaker 1: to do it as a team and split that pot.

2296
01:45:09,920 --> 01:45:11,960
Speaker 1: And I'm not saying it's realistic. I don't know the details,

2297
01:45:11,960 --> 01:45:13,560
Speaker 1: but you've got to be willing to do that, I

2298
01:45:13,640 --> 01:45:14,920
Speaker 1: think right now if we're going to see this fight,

2299
01:45:15,000 --> 01:45:17,960
Speaker 1: unless it's another long build to a Mayweather Paciot type thing,

2300
01:45:18,000 --> 01:45:20,080
Speaker 1: and who knows where both fighters will be at that point.

2301
01:45:20,320 --> 01:45:22,960
Speaker 1: Also quickly, Luke, we talk about Jermonte Davis needing to

2302
01:45:22,960 --> 01:45:24,720
Speaker 1: be matched a little bit tougher for our taste. A

2303
01:45:24,760 --> 01:45:26,519
Speaker 1: lot of people say that about Ryan Garcia as well.

2304
01:45:26,520 --> 01:45:28,720
Speaker 1: He is fighting Haavier Fortuna. It was a fight they

2305
01:45:28,720 --> 01:45:30,760
Speaker 1: were supposed to make. It was a fight they were

2306
01:45:30,760 --> 01:45:32,320
Speaker 1: supposed to make a year ago. I mean fortune, It's

2307
01:45:32,320 --> 01:45:33,680
Speaker 1: got a little bit of a resume. He's a guy,

2308
01:45:33,680 --> 01:45:36,200
Speaker 1: he's tough, but he's also older. We do want to

2309
01:45:36,240 --> 01:45:39,360
Speaker 1: see more. So our guy Shack did ask Oscar about

2310
01:45:39,400 --> 01:45:41,160
Speaker 1: the idea of you know, are you are you coddling

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Speaker 1: Ryan in terms of the matchmaking.

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Speaker 6: You're going to get your criticism, especially from the boxing fans,

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01:45:47,400 --> 01:45:50,960
Speaker 6: because they they you know, they want to see the

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Speaker 6: best fights take place, and they want to see him

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Speaker 6: now Unfortunately Ryan Garcia, you know, he was dealing with

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Speaker 6: with with mental health issues and he was off for

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Speaker 6: a while. He had a surgery on h on his

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Speaker 6: right hand recently, so he's been off for quite a while.

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Speaker 6: And uh so, now now that he's fighting July sixteenth

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Speaker 6: at the UH at the Crypto Arena, yes, people are

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Speaker 6: gonna are gonna criticize a bit on on on who

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Speaker 6: he's fighting, but people have to remember that he's been

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Speaker 6: off for a while. He's fighting an x two time

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Speaker 6: world champion who has a great record. So so if

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Speaker 6: Ryan Garcia beats him at the Crypto Arena July sixteenth,

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Speaker 6: then we can start talking Tank.

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Speaker 2: Davis Crypto dot Com Arena.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it is what it is, Luke. I mean,

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Speaker 1: Garcia seems willing. He wants the smoker, according you know

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Speaker 1: he says it, but a couple couple of soft matchups

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Speaker 1: on the way here. Although look, you know that Luke

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Speaker 1: Campbell fight. That's that's why we still have belief in

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Speaker 1: Ry because you know, he got knocked down by Luke Campbell,

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Speaker 1: but came back and finished him and sent him into retirement.

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Speaker 1: I still don't know, man. My fear, of course, is

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01:47:08,680 --> 01:47:12,040
Speaker 1: that Golden Boy and Oscar feel like maybe in the

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Speaker 1: back of their mind, you know, Ryan isn't that guy

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01:47:14,080 --> 01:47:15,920
Speaker 1: if they match him as tough as they say they will,

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01:47:16,160 --> 01:47:18,160
Speaker 1: and maybe we've seen promoters do this, maybe we want

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01:47:18,160 --> 01:47:19,559
Speaker 1: to keep him away. I hope it's not the case.

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Speaker 1: Time will tell.

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Speaker 2: Luke.

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Speaker 1: Those are your five topics for the week. But of course,

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01:47:23,920 --> 01:47:26,840
Speaker 1: every Friday we look back at all the bullshit we

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01:47:26,880 --> 01:47:28,880
Speaker 1: spewed into a microphone and we open up the email

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01:47:28,920 --> 01:47:32,240
Speaker 1: address of Morning Combat at gmail dot com for you

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01:47:32,320 --> 01:47:34,920
Speaker 1: the fan to take your swing. You didn't like what

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01:47:34,960 --> 01:47:37,240
Speaker 1: we said, we said something wrong, you have to send

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01:47:37,280 --> 01:47:42,759
Speaker 1: in a receipt, a timestamp and ball up brother, because

2350
01:47:42,760 --> 01:47:45,800
Speaker 1: you thought something we said was dead wrong.

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01:47:47,840 --> 01:47:50,439
Speaker 2: I love this segment, even when I take massive l's.

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01:47:50,479 --> 01:47:51,760
Speaker 2: I think it's important for the show.

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01:47:52,800 --> 01:47:56,080
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, it can be a wild segment, Luke, that's

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01:47:56,120 --> 01:47:58,200
Speaker 1: the indeed. All right, let's start right here. This is

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Speaker 1: from justin Hi guys listening on a Monday here, and

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01:48:01,439 --> 01:48:04,960
Speaker 1: Luke just mentioned that in their first fight, Lonito Donair

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01:48:05,000 --> 01:48:06,600
Speaker 1: broke a new A's face and then a new A

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01:48:06,760 --> 01:48:08,960
Speaker 1: got a late stoppage. In fact, a new A dropped

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01:48:09,000 --> 01:48:12,519
Speaker 1: in multiple times, but the fight went the full twelve rounds. Thanks,

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Speaker 1: it's justin, Yes, fair enough? Did wrong sit on that, Luke? Yeah,

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01:48:17,840 --> 01:48:20,360
Speaker 1: sit on that l I mean right up, just like

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01:48:20,439 --> 01:48:22,680
Speaker 1: sitting on the chair on the room service diary set

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Speaker 1: Luke that lu that chair more.

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Speaker 2: I mean just to have me sit on a series

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01:48:26,600 --> 01:48:29,280
Speaker 2: of knives next time. I mean the worst chair in America.

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Speaker 2: Thank you? All right?

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Speaker 1: This is one is from Jordan from Hawaii Hey Donk's

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01:48:33,760 --> 01:48:36,559
Speaker 1: episode three oh nine. At about thirty six minutes discussing

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01:48:36,640 --> 01:48:40,120
Speaker 1: Valentina's upcoming title defense, Luke and BC mentioned UFC champions

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01:48:40,240 --> 01:48:43,400
Speaker 1: that have defended their title seven times or more. Jones,

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01:48:43,439 --> 01:48:47,160
Speaker 1: GSP and some Silva and Demetrius Johnson wanted to add

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Speaker 1: to their list. They also forgot about Jose Aldo oh Jee,

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01:48:51,720 --> 01:48:58,240
Speaker 1: Dominic Flores, Mendez, Edgar, tkz Lamis and Mendus again looking

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01:48:58,320 --> 01:48:59,679
Speaker 1: forward to more great content.

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Speaker 2: Fair enough too, It's Jordan. Yeah, and it goes to

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01:49:02,720 --> 01:49:06,200
Speaker 2: show you Aldo gets a lot of respect, as you

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01:49:06,200 --> 01:49:09,040
Speaker 2: would well imagine. I'm not sure that he gets the

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01:49:09,080 --> 01:49:13,599
Speaker 2: respect commensurate with his actual achievements. Fair point, great point,

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Speaker 2: Love that love that correction. Good correction Number.

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Speaker 1: Three comes from Ross here Luke Hey BC and Luke

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01:49:19,240 --> 01:49:21,439
Speaker 1: on Wednesday's episode three o nine at one hour and

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01:49:21,479 --> 01:49:24,360
Speaker 1: twenty nine minutes, BC said he would love nael A

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Speaker 1: new A the Monster to fight the other beltolder at

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01:49:27,520 --> 01:49:30,120
Speaker 1: one eighteen for all four titles. BC said it was

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Speaker 1: John Real Casamaro. However, this is dead wrong, for Casamaro

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01:49:33,920 --> 01:49:37,040
Speaker 1: was stripped of the title on May fourth after missing

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01:49:37,080 --> 01:49:41,759
Speaker 1: weight for his fight with the actual current champion, Paul Butler,

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01:49:41,840 --> 01:49:44,599
Speaker 1: getting bumped up to the to the to the full

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Speaker 1: title Now. Shame that Luke couldn't help you, BC as

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01:49:47,479 --> 01:49:50,160
Speaker 1: he continued to talk about Casameiro's chances against a new

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Speaker 1: A A double dead wrong. The good workfellow.

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Speaker 2: I forgot. I had forgotten that happened. Yes, I did.

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01:49:55,640 --> 01:50:01,400
Speaker 2: I saw Casamiro? Was it the day after the Charlo doubleheader?

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Speaker 2: I think that's right. I saw Casimiro at the airport.

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Speaker 2: He's a goofball, He's a total goofball, like he is

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Speaker 2: a weirdo. But he hit a great night win. Then I, yes,

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Speaker 2: I totally forgot that's true.

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Speaker 1: Yep, so went left and right when a new A

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01:50:14,960 --> 01:50:17,360
Speaker 1: knocked Donair out, I went right to ESPN dot COM's

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01:50:17,400 --> 01:50:19,920
Speaker 1: Championship page to remind myself who was that fourth title

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01:50:19,920 --> 01:50:25,200
Speaker 1: holder and they still had unfortunately Castlemaro. So it you

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01:50:25,240 --> 01:50:26,680
Speaker 1: know that, you know I can't rely on them. Look,

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01:50:26,720 --> 01:50:29,320
Speaker 1: I can't rely on them. Okay, I'm sorry those my people.

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01:50:29,320 --> 01:50:32,080
Speaker 1: You know I can't rely on you right now. Yeah.

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01:50:32,120 --> 01:50:35,400
Speaker 1: Also from Kevin l a small dead wrong for BC

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01:50:35,520 --> 01:50:38,000
Speaker 1: from Wednesday show at twelve minutes to fifty seconds, BC

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01:50:38,160 --> 01:50:42,880
Speaker 1: says Zongwei Lee is a local Southeast Asia product as

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01:50:42,880 --> 01:50:47,160
Speaker 1: it related to the marketing of UFC two seventy five. Actually,

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01:50:47,240 --> 01:50:52,360
Speaker 1: BC China is not one of the nations in Southeast Asia,

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01:50:52,439 --> 01:50:58,520
Speaker 1: which includes Cambodia, Laos Mayan, mar Malaysia, Thailand, Vietnam, Brewnei,

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Speaker 1: East Timor into the Philippines and Singapore. As someone who

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01:51:02,840 --> 01:51:06,320
Speaker 1: is also aising and shit, I would know it's Kevin El,

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Speaker 1: is that you, Jamal.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a fair correction too. I mean, I know

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Speaker 2: we make that the eastern side of the map or whatever,

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01:51:14,400 --> 01:51:17,000
Speaker 2: but yes, he's right, technically that would not be southing.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I once referred to Pakistan as the Middle East

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01:51:20,439 --> 01:51:22,720
Speaker 1: as well, talking about a fighter and got roasted for

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01:51:22,760 --> 01:51:23,160
Speaker 1: the same way.

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Speaker 2: Luke.

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Speaker 1: Sometimes yeah, okay, I'm sorry people, I'm sorry. Okay, thank you. Also,

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Speaker 1: a Hulu got here. This is from Christus Christas. I've

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01:51:34,720 --> 01:51:37,360
Speaker 1: never heard of that name before. Hey, BC, this is Christus,

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Speaker 1: a p one bloke from a city in the south

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Speaker 1: of India called Chennai. Luke, you're familiar.

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01:51:43,840 --> 01:51:45,200
Speaker 2: I think it's Chennai.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I'm making that up.

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01:51:48,000 --> 01:51:48,840
Speaker 2: I'm not sure that I know that.

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01:51:48,840 --> 01:51:50,599
Speaker 1: It looks like I've never cared about my home country.

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Speaker 2: Ever.

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01:51:50,960 --> 01:51:53,320
Speaker 1: This may be a dead wrong for BC or a

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01:51:53,360 --> 01:51:55,839
Speaker 1: dead wrong for the rest of the world. In episode

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01:51:55,880 --> 01:51:57,800
Speaker 1: three oh nine at the two hour mark, damn Luke,

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01:51:57,840 --> 01:51:59,280
Speaker 1: we did a lot of bad shit. In episode three

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01:51:59,320 --> 01:52:02,599
Speaker 1: o nine, damn Yeah, were a total trash. You mentioned

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01:52:02,600 --> 01:52:05,000
Speaker 1: the things you would do for women and ended by

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01:52:05,040 --> 01:52:07,280
Speaker 1: saying you were a one man woman.

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01:52:07,640 --> 01:52:09,720
Speaker 2: So I do remember you saying this, and I let

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01:52:09,720 --> 01:52:12,120
Speaker 2: you stealing that because I thought it was a DUMBBC joke.

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01:52:12,640 --> 01:52:15,200
Speaker 1: It was a DUMBBC joke because about a month earlier,

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01:52:15,320 --> 01:52:17,920
Speaker 1: I accidentally when I went to say one woman man

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01:52:17,920 --> 01:52:20,000
Speaker 1: said one man woman, and of course people had phone

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01:52:20,000 --> 01:52:21,799
Speaker 1: within the comments. So that's a little you know. Sometimes

2444
01:52:21,840 --> 01:52:24,080
Speaker 1: BC leaves like like you know that plate you leave

2445
01:52:24,120 --> 01:52:26,040
Speaker 1: for Santa with like the half eaten carrot and the

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01:52:26,160 --> 01:52:28,400
Speaker 1: uh you know what I mean, Luke. Yeah, sometimes I

2447
01:52:28,560 --> 01:52:32,160
Speaker 1: leave out those scraps, you know, because I care about animals.

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01:52:32,200 --> 01:52:32,880
Speaker 1: You know what I mean, Luke?

2449
01:52:33,760 --> 01:52:35,040
Speaker 2: You do? You are an animal lover.

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01:52:35,640 --> 01:52:37,439
Speaker 1: I mean those mean animals just be nice, but I

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01:52:37,520 --> 01:52:39,400
Speaker 1: care about them indeed. All right, Luke, That's all I

2452
01:52:39,400 --> 01:52:44,120
Speaker 1: got for this shit. Morningcombat at gmail dot com. Wednesday's

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01:52:44,400 --> 01:52:48,320
Speaker 1: fan subs Fridays Dead Wrongs. A reminder Showtime, the label

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01:52:48,439 --> 01:52:51,040
Speaker 1: that pays me, of course, Showtime dot com. You want

2455
01:52:51,040 --> 01:52:53,040
Speaker 1: to see what Showbox at the Hall of Fame is

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01:52:53,080 --> 01:52:55,880
Speaker 1: all about. You can get thirty three days right now

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Speaker 1: by going to that website and check me out. Nine

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Speaker 1: pm Eastern this evening. The New Generation a La from Verona,

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Speaker 1: New York, unbeaten heavyweight Baco Deer, Juala laf ten and

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Speaker 1: No ten Ko is in that main event. He was

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01:53:09,200 --> 01:53:10,920
Speaker 1: the gold medalist last year.

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Speaker 2: So how many times are you gonna fumble that name

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01:53:13,560 --> 01:53:14,960
Speaker 2: on air? A lot?

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01:53:15,240 --> 01:53:15,599
Speaker 1: A lot?

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01:53:16,240 --> 01:53:19,120
Speaker 2: Okay, By the way, we should remind folks tomorrow, of course,

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Speaker 2: is UFC two seventy five be right here When UFC

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01:53:21,680 --> 01:53:24,400
Speaker 2: two seventy five is over Post fight show for you

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01:53:24,479 --> 01:53:28,240
Speaker 2: guys tomorrow I'll be headlining that and yes, we'll have

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01:53:28,320 --> 01:53:31,519
Speaker 2: live reaction results the whole nine yards live right as

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01:53:31,560 --> 01:53:32,479
Speaker 2: soon as the fights are over.

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Speaker 1: Yes, and you know, thank you fans. The like and

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01:53:36,120 --> 01:53:38,840
Speaker 1: subscribe social things are there. But when you do like

2473
01:53:38,840 --> 01:53:40,760
Speaker 1: and subscribe and tell a friend and all that stuff, look,

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01:53:40,760 --> 01:53:42,599
Speaker 1: it helps, it helps. We've you know, it helps us

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01:53:42,600 --> 01:53:45,000
Speaker 1: get to those next levels, and we appreciate you. We're

2476
01:53:45,040 --> 01:53:47,519
Speaker 1: bringing the live show to UFC two seventy six, which

2477
01:53:47,560 --> 01:53:49,720
Speaker 1: is right around the corner fourth of July weekend, their

2478
01:53:49,760 --> 01:53:53,519
Speaker 1: international fight week. So good, good things coming ahead, Luke. Okay,

2479
01:53:53,560 --> 01:53:54,599
Speaker 1: back in the studio on Monday.

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01:53:54,640 --> 01:53:56,960
Speaker 2: Maybe that's right. We're back in studio on Monday, live

2481
01:53:57,000 --> 01:53:59,160
Speaker 2: show tomorrow night. We're gonna start ramping things up here,

2482
01:53:59,160 --> 01:53:59,960
Speaker 2: so this should be fun.

2483
01:54:00,400 --> 01:54:03,519
Speaker 1: We're gonna be like Rampage Jackson, Luke and the eight.

2484
01:54:03,640 --> 01:54:05,720
Speaker 2: Energy Drinks driving a car with his face on it.

2485
01:54:07,800 --> 01:54:11,240
Speaker 1: Indeed, for Long Island, Luke, Corey Mnicche, you know all

2486
01:54:11,280 --> 01:54:13,720
Speaker 1: those guys behind the seats. I'm sure Sally's back there too.

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01:54:14,000 --> 01:54:16,280
Speaker 1: Stally is still time to leave Staten Island. I mean

2488
01:54:16,320 --> 01:54:19,200
Speaker 1: it's killing you. I know, that's my co host Luke Thomas,

2489
01:54:19,240 --> 01:54:22,240
Speaker 1: right there. Great guy, great I have met him. Great guy.

2490
01:54:22,560 --> 01:54:26,280
Speaker 1: I am BC, I'm beige, I'm washed. And take care

2491
01:54:26,280 --> 01:54:29,360
Speaker 1: of yourself this weekend. Enjoy the fights. Okay, all work good,

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01:54:29,360 --> 01:54:32,080
Speaker 1: all work fine, but first take care of Ed. We

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01:54:32,200 --> 01:54:33,040
Speaker 1: out of here. Thank you,