1 00:00:06,640 --> 00:00:11,080 Speaker 1: Last night, I was on the sofa with my two children, John, 2 00:00:11,119 --> 00:00:14,920 Speaker 1: David and Lucy, and we were watching the Super Bowl 3 00:00:15,720 --> 00:00:22,560 Speaker 1: and the commercials and all the fanfare surrounding it, and 4 00:00:22,640 --> 00:00:28,720 Speaker 1: it was a great evening. Not true for everyone. A 5 00:00:28,800 --> 00:00:33,839 Speaker 1: little two year old boy sitting on his sofa in 6 00:00:34,040 --> 00:00:40,240 Speaker 1: his home shot dead. And I want to know who 7 00:00:40,320 --> 00:00:45,800 Speaker 1: did it. Don't really care why, but I want them 8 00:00:45,880 --> 00:00:56,560 Speaker 1: to face Lady Justice. Birmingham Police now investigating a double 9 00:00:56,600 --> 00:00:58,600 Speaker 1: shooting of a mother in her two year old. The 10 00:00:58,680 --> 00:01:02,080 Speaker 1: shooter is on the run. This morning, police tell us 11 00:01:02,120 --> 00:01:05,440 Speaker 1: the mother will be okay. The toddler is currently in 12 00:01:05,520 --> 00:01:09,120 Speaker 1: serious condition. Investigators say they were hit when bullets shot 13 00:01:09,200 --> 00:01:13,640 Speaker 1: into their apartment on John Brian Road in Winona. Birmingham 14 00:01:13,640 --> 00:01:18,160 Speaker 1: Police asking anybody with information to please come forward. I'm 15 00:01:18,200 --> 00:01:21,600 Speaker 1: asking you the same thing. Two zero five two five 16 00:01:21,720 --> 00:01:26,039 Speaker 1: four one seven six four repeat two zero five, two 17 00:01:26,160 --> 00:01:30,360 Speaker 1: five four one seven six four or two zero five 18 00:01:30,640 --> 00:01:34,600 Speaker 1: two five four seven seven seven seven. You were just 19 00:01:34,720 --> 00:01:38,000 Speaker 1: hearing our friends at w VTM thirteen. That was Rick 20 00:01:38,120 --> 00:01:43,479 Speaker 1: Carl describing the most horrific scenario a parent can face. 21 00:01:43,800 --> 00:01:48,600 Speaker 1: You're there with your child, shooting occurs. Do you hear 22 00:01:48,640 --> 00:01:53,200 Speaker 1: the gun fire, you realize your shot and your baby, 23 00:01:53,680 --> 00:01:59,160 Speaker 1: your two year old baby boy is shot, and then 24 00:01:59,520 --> 00:02:03,960 Speaker 1: you live of the baby dies with me and I'll 25 00:02:03,960 --> 00:02:05,600 Speaker 1: star panel to break it down and put it back 26 00:02:05,640 --> 00:02:09,840 Speaker 1: together again. Doctor Angela Arnold, renowned psychiatrists, joining me out 27 00:02:09,840 --> 00:02:14,079 Speaker 1: of the Atlanta jurisdiction. You can find her aunt Angela Arnold, MD, 28 00:02:14,520 --> 00:02:19,280 Speaker 1: dot com Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University, author of Blood 29 00:02:19,280 --> 00:02:23,520 Speaker 1: Beneath My Feet on Amazon, star of a hit series 30 00:02:23,560 --> 00:02:27,480 Speaker 1: now on the True Crime Network Poisonous Liaison's Death. Investigator 31 00:02:27,880 --> 00:02:33,240 Speaker 1: Joseph Scott Morgan. New guests joining us today, Christopher Stokes, 32 00:02:33,280 --> 00:02:38,320 Speaker 1: a well known Georgia attorney at Stokes at Law dot com, 33 00:02:38,600 --> 00:02:42,480 Speaker 1: but first to Crime Online dot com investigative reporter, also 34 00:02:42,520 --> 00:02:47,600 Speaker 1: with Lead Stories dot Com. Alexis Terres. Alexis, you have 35 00:02:48,000 --> 00:02:51,560 Speaker 1: s I call a baby boy. It's not really a 36 00:02:51,680 --> 00:02:56,160 Speaker 1: baby anymore. But can you even imagine? You remember all 37 00:02:56,240 --> 00:03:00,480 Speaker 1: you went through when you had the baby, You had 38 00:03:00,520 --> 00:03:04,200 Speaker 1: the collapsed along, you had all kinds of difficulties, you 39 00:03:04,320 --> 00:03:08,560 Speaker 1: nearly died. I remember sitting there in the hospital in 40 00:03:08,720 --> 00:03:12,880 Speaker 1: La praying to God you would come through, and you did. 41 00:03:13,200 --> 00:03:16,720 Speaker 1: Can you even imagine after all that. You're sitting on 42 00:03:16,800 --> 00:03:21,480 Speaker 1: your own sofa, minding your own business and you hear 43 00:03:21,600 --> 00:03:24,919 Speaker 1: gunfire ring out. That's what this family is going through 44 00:03:25,040 --> 00:03:27,080 Speaker 1: right now. But you give me the fact, selectus what 45 00:03:27,200 --> 00:03:30,240 Speaker 1: exactly happened. I'm having a hard time understanding how a 46 00:03:30,280 --> 00:03:32,959 Speaker 1: baby dies from a gunshot wound sitting on his own 47 00:03:32,960 --> 00:03:37,280 Speaker 1: sofa with mommy. So little Major Turner, two years old, 48 00:03:37,400 --> 00:03:39,920 Speaker 1: cuteifuttle child. You have ever seen he and his mom, 49 00:03:40,280 --> 00:03:42,280 Speaker 1: They had dinner, They sit down on the sofa to 50 00:03:42,360 --> 00:03:45,320 Speaker 1: kind of calm down, get him ready for dinner. And 51 00:03:45,640 --> 00:03:48,160 Speaker 1: they're lying there together and all of a sudden, they 52 00:03:48,200 --> 00:03:52,400 Speaker 1: called it, a hail of fire comes flying into their 53 00:03:52,400 --> 00:03:59,080 Speaker 1: home through a window. Ten bullets were shot. Okay, right there, 54 00:03:59,120 --> 00:04:04,520 Speaker 1: Hold on now, Christopher Stokes is joining me with the 55 00:04:04,840 --> 00:04:11,600 Speaker 1: Stokes at Law dot com firm Stokes Law Firm. Christopher Stokes, 56 00:04:12,120 --> 00:04:16,159 Speaker 1: a good defense attorney, would probably is probably gonna once 57 00:04:16,200 --> 00:04:18,560 Speaker 1: I find the guy that did this, and I guarantee 58 00:04:18,560 --> 00:04:21,479 Speaker 1: you it's a guy. Statistically speaking, it's always a guy 59 00:04:21,520 --> 00:04:24,440 Speaker 1: that does this kind of crime. It's gonna say, well, 60 00:04:24,480 --> 00:04:28,600 Speaker 1: this was random, didn't mean to shoot this little boy, 61 00:04:28,600 --> 00:04:33,440 Speaker 1: a two year old top But the reality is Christopher Stokes. Hey, 62 00:04:33,720 --> 00:04:36,960 Speaker 1: we don't know if it was random and b there's 63 00:04:36,960 --> 00:04:41,119 Speaker 1: something in the law called a dark and malignant heart, 64 00:04:41,520 --> 00:04:46,080 Speaker 1: wild abandoned, such as driving through a street fair at 65 00:04:46,200 --> 00:04:49,320 Speaker 1: ninety miles an hour. You're gonna hit somebody but you 66 00:04:49,400 --> 00:04:53,280 Speaker 1: don't care. That is also murder one, is it not 67 00:04:53,440 --> 00:04:57,560 Speaker 1: Christopher Stokes? I think it is Nancy. I mean that's 68 00:04:57,600 --> 00:05:01,560 Speaker 1: the prey. Then different you having intent to kill somebody 69 00:05:01,600 --> 00:05:04,880 Speaker 1: if you're shooting off ten rounds, well, you know that's 70 00:05:04,920 --> 00:05:09,080 Speaker 1: exactly what a prosecutor is going to argue implied intent 71 00:05:09,720 --> 00:05:13,280 Speaker 1: Under the law. There is explicit intent. For instance, if 72 00:05:13,279 --> 00:05:14,880 Speaker 1: I take a gun and say I'm gonna kill you 73 00:05:15,000 --> 00:05:18,560 Speaker 1: Jackie Bam, or if I just start wildly shooting my 74 00:05:18,680 --> 00:05:23,800 Speaker 1: oozy in the studio, that is implied intent. Like my 75 00:05:23,960 --> 00:05:27,560 Speaker 1: implication what I'm doing is so insane, I know I'm 76 00:05:27,600 --> 00:05:30,359 Speaker 1: going to kill somebody. Guys, we were talking about this 77 00:05:30,880 --> 00:05:33,119 Speaker 1: beautiful and I mean beautiful. I'm looking at a picture 78 00:05:33,120 --> 00:05:35,440 Speaker 1: of him right now. It's one of the most recent 79 00:05:35,480 --> 00:05:39,000 Speaker 1: shots of two year old Major Turner. He was shot 80 00:05:39,040 --> 00:05:43,200 Speaker 1: inside a Birmingham apartment. His mother also wounded. They're sitting 81 00:05:43,200 --> 00:05:46,120 Speaker 1: on the sofa and somebody had just taken a picture 82 00:05:46,120 --> 00:05:49,400 Speaker 1: of him wearing a little crown and holding a scepter. 83 00:05:49,520 --> 00:05:52,040 Speaker 1: It must have been his birthday picture. And he's got 84 00:05:52,080 --> 00:05:54,279 Speaker 1: on this cute little suit. I could not get my 85 00:05:54,800 --> 00:05:57,920 Speaker 1: son to wear a suit at all. I mean, that's 86 00:05:57,920 --> 00:06:02,520 Speaker 1: just recently happened, and this little boy is just beautiful. 87 00:06:03,040 --> 00:06:05,280 Speaker 1: It's hard for me to take in what has happened. 88 00:06:06,120 --> 00:06:10,040 Speaker 1: So Alexis you said ten rounds, correct? Ten bullets and 89 00:06:10,279 --> 00:06:13,880 Speaker 1: bullets just through the windows. There were several more. They 90 00:06:13,960 --> 00:06:16,039 Speaker 1: might have been at least two through the front door. 91 00:06:16,480 --> 00:06:19,600 Speaker 1: So they're sitting there, lying down on the sofa, snuggled up, 92 00:06:19,720 --> 00:06:23,760 Speaker 1: and the baby is hit with the bullets, as is 93 00:06:23,800 --> 00:06:26,560 Speaker 1: the mom. Take a listen to this, guys. These are 94 00:06:26,600 --> 00:06:30,240 Speaker 1: our friends at w VTM thirteen. This is Xavier Harris, 95 00:06:31,040 --> 00:06:34,520 Speaker 1: an innocent life cut short. Police say two year old 96 00:06:34,560 --> 00:06:37,680 Speaker 1: Major Turner and his mother were inside this home on 97 00:06:37,800 --> 00:06:41,040 Speaker 1: John Bryant Drive Thursday night when shots were fired, hitting 98 00:06:41,120 --> 00:06:43,640 Speaker 1: them both. The two were taken to the hospital and 99 00:06:43,800 --> 00:06:47,120 Speaker 1: spent a lot of hours fighting for his life, and 100 00:06:47,240 --> 00:06:49,800 Speaker 1: he did not make it tonight. Police are still on 101 00:06:50,000 --> 00:06:53,640 Speaker 1: high alert patrolling the community searching for the gunman trying 102 00:06:53,640 --> 00:06:57,040 Speaker 1: to figure out the reason behind the census killing too. 103 00:06:57,240 --> 00:07:00,200 Speaker 1: Joseph Scott Morgan joining me Death Investigator and you can 104 00:07:00,200 --> 00:07:04,880 Speaker 1: find him online start of a brand new series, Poisonous 105 00:07:04,880 --> 00:07:07,920 Speaker 1: Liaisons on True Crime Network. Joe Scott, have you taken 106 00:07:07,920 --> 00:07:11,360 Speaker 1: a look at the apartment, because I'm looking at it 107 00:07:11,480 --> 00:07:16,920 Speaker 1: right now. You see there's a grassy lot of grassy area, 108 00:07:17,520 --> 00:07:21,480 Speaker 1: well kept sidewalks, street lights, which is very very important. 109 00:07:21,520 --> 00:07:24,160 Speaker 1: Have you look at this, Jackie, A lot of high 110 00:07:24,160 --> 00:07:26,920 Speaker 1: powered street night lights. And it's also significant in the 111 00:07:26,920 --> 00:07:29,920 Speaker 1: picture I'm looking at is of that night because I 112 00:07:29,920 --> 00:07:33,160 Speaker 1: see the yellow crime scene tape. Not a lot of cars, 113 00:07:33,200 --> 00:07:37,280 Speaker 1: but significant. Joe Scott Morgan. I see kind of a 114 00:07:37,440 --> 00:07:42,040 Speaker 1: like a clubhouse or something where you know, any security 115 00:07:42,040 --> 00:07:45,520 Speaker 1: consultant will tell you don't have a playhouse, a treehouse, 116 00:07:45,680 --> 00:07:49,000 Speaker 1: any structure in your backyard that's a place where people 117 00:07:49,000 --> 00:07:53,280 Speaker 1: can hide. But more significant to me is these are 118 00:07:53,320 --> 00:07:57,560 Speaker 1: two story home apartment say look kind of like townhouses. 119 00:07:58,080 --> 00:08:03,560 Speaker 1: They're not very dense. I'd say there maybe eighty maybe 120 00:08:03,640 --> 00:08:08,160 Speaker 1: one hundred apartments there, but significant from what I can see, 121 00:08:08,240 --> 00:08:11,400 Speaker 1: Joe Scott, the bedrooms and a bathroom are on the 122 00:08:11,440 --> 00:08:16,360 Speaker 1: top level. The downstairs level would be the den, kitchen, 123 00:08:16,560 --> 00:08:19,720 Speaker 1: maybe a bathroom down there. That would be where the 124 00:08:19,800 --> 00:08:23,080 Speaker 1: sofa would be. Remember Alexis just said they had had 125 00:08:23,080 --> 00:08:27,040 Speaker 1: dinner and they were on the sofa, and that's where 126 00:08:27,040 --> 00:08:29,560 Speaker 1: they would be. I'm looking at the windows, Joe Scott, 127 00:08:30,040 --> 00:08:34,400 Speaker 1: and they on the bottom level are easily accessible from 128 00:08:34,760 --> 00:08:37,200 Speaker 1: the road. You can walk right up to them if 129 00:08:37,240 --> 00:08:41,040 Speaker 1: you want to. Yeah, you can, and it's all fully exposed, 130 00:08:41,120 --> 00:08:44,440 Speaker 1: as you stated, Nancy, let me tell you why don't 131 00:08:44,920 --> 00:08:49,360 Speaker 1: simply based on fiscal elevens, why I do not believe 132 00:08:49,400 --> 00:08:52,240 Speaker 1: that this is a random shooting. And if you look 133 00:08:52,240 --> 00:08:55,080 Speaker 1: at the two windows there, they're side by side, and 134 00:08:55,240 --> 00:08:57,920 Speaker 1: roughly they look their dimensions look like they're about four 135 00:08:57,960 --> 00:09:02,640 Speaker 1: feet in height, probably about five feet in width, wouldn't 136 00:09:02,640 --> 00:09:06,120 Speaker 1: you say, about four feet off the ground the lower Yeah, 137 00:09:06,559 --> 00:09:08,920 Speaker 1: three and a half to four feet. It's easy. It's 138 00:09:08,960 --> 00:09:11,600 Speaker 1: easy enough to stand there at waist level and peer 139 00:09:11,720 --> 00:09:14,199 Speaker 1: in through those windows. You can see everything, and particularly 140 00:09:14,240 --> 00:09:17,080 Speaker 1: if it's illuminated or remember they're watching TV, so there's 141 00:09:17,080 --> 00:09:18,880 Speaker 1: going to be a light if if all the other 142 00:09:18,960 --> 00:09:21,040 Speaker 1: lights are off, you can still see what's going on 143 00:09:21,080 --> 00:09:22,960 Speaker 1: inside of the house. That's why you need to keep 144 00:09:22,960 --> 00:09:27,840 Speaker 1: your curtains pulled. But the fact that these defects, these 145 00:09:27,840 --> 00:09:33,120 Speaker 1: holes in these screens are so concentrated in that specific area. 146 00:09:33,360 --> 00:09:37,079 Speaker 1: I've worked a lot of dry by shootings in my career, Nancy, 147 00:09:37,400 --> 00:09:40,560 Speaker 1: and you used to call it prey and spray, and 148 00:09:40,679 --> 00:09:42,720 Speaker 1: you would have a line of bullets that would go 149 00:09:42,720 --> 00:09:46,480 Speaker 1: down an apartment complex. This ain't what happened here. You 150 00:09:46,559 --> 00:09:50,800 Speaker 1: have a concentrated area in the small defined space, and 151 00:09:50,880 --> 00:09:54,480 Speaker 1: you've also got rounds according to Electus that passed through 152 00:09:54,520 --> 00:09:58,720 Speaker 1: the door. That means that whoever fired these rounds was 153 00:09:58,840 --> 00:10:01,920 Speaker 1: after somebody in side of that apartment. In my opinion, 154 00:10:02,200 --> 00:10:04,800 Speaker 1: you know, I'm looking at the apartments and from what 155 00:10:04,840 --> 00:10:10,520 Speaker 1: I can tell, each door has is attached to one 156 00:10:12,400 --> 00:10:18,600 Speaker 1: one parcel of windows, a double column of windows. My 157 00:10:18,760 --> 00:10:21,760 Speaker 1: point is the door. You've got the door, and right 158 00:10:21,800 --> 00:10:26,440 Speaker 1: beside it are the windows. So hitting that door and 159 00:10:26,559 --> 00:10:32,760 Speaker 1: hitting the windows in one single spray is entirely possible. Also, 160 00:10:33,559 --> 00:10:36,160 Speaker 1: you go down about six more feet and there's another 161 00:10:36,360 --> 00:10:41,040 Speaker 1: double window and another door maybe ten feet, So it's 162 00:10:41,160 --> 00:10:43,520 Speaker 1: again again try to get this in your mind. It's 163 00:10:43,600 --> 00:10:48,040 Speaker 1: kind of a town home, two story apartment from what 164 00:10:48,160 --> 00:10:51,439 Speaker 1: I can tell, and the door and the window both 165 00:10:51,440 --> 00:10:53,960 Speaker 1: took fire. At first. Joe Scott Morgan, I was thinking, 166 00:10:54,160 --> 00:10:57,600 Speaker 1: could it have been a ricochet? But the statistic, the 167 00:10:57,679 --> 00:11:03,240 Speaker 1: statistical probably ability of the mother and the son both 168 00:11:03,320 --> 00:11:10,360 Speaker 1: getting shot by ricochet is very, very improbable. It's very 169 00:11:10,440 --> 00:11:20,920 Speaker 1: low that both of these were shot by ricochet. Crime 170 00:11:21,000 --> 00:11:25,920 Speaker 1: Stories with Nancy Grace. Guys, we are talking about a 171 00:11:25,960 --> 00:11:28,760 Speaker 1: brutal killing that took the life of a two year 172 00:11:28,800 --> 00:11:36,079 Speaker 1: old little boy. His name is Major Turner. He's just beautiful, 173 00:11:37,080 --> 00:11:41,720 Speaker 1: beautiful little boy, big perfect smile. You can tell he's 174 00:11:41,960 --> 00:11:47,240 Speaker 1: very well cared for. His hair is perfectly done, and 175 00:11:47,320 --> 00:11:50,480 Speaker 1: in the many photos I've seen, he's always perfectly dressed out. 176 00:11:50,520 --> 00:11:54,320 Speaker 1: That does not mean he's has not been subjected to 177 00:11:54,360 --> 00:11:58,280 Speaker 1: any hard times, but I've seen no indication this child 178 00:11:58,400 --> 00:12:02,720 Speaker 1: was anything but love. But now that child is dead, 179 00:12:03,040 --> 00:12:05,800 Speaker 1: Mommy also shot. Take a listen to our friend Rick 180 00:12:05,880 --> 00:12:12,560 Speaker 1: Carl at WVTM thirteen. Birmingham police investigating a deadly double shooting, 181 00:12:12,559 --> 00:12:15,320 Speaker 1: one that claimed the life of a toddler. The Jefferson 182 00:12:15,320 --> 00:12:18,280 Speaker 1: County Corner's Office now identifying the two year old as 183 00:12:18,480 --> 00:12:22,160 Speaker 1: Major Turner. Investigators say the little boy and his mother 184 00:12:22,200 --> 00:12:24,960 Speaker 1: were shot last night inside their apartment over on John 185 00:12:25,000 --> 00:12:28,920 Speaker 1: Bryant Road. Police aren't sure if they were the intended victims, 186 00:12:29,080 --> 00:12:33,480 Speaker 1: while also shot. The mother is expected to recover. So far, 187 00:12:33,600 --> 00:12:36,360 Speaker 1: no arrests made in the case. Birmingham Police, by the way, 188 00:12:36,400 --> 00:12:41,240 Speaker 1: asking anybody with information to please come forward. So what 189 00:12:41,240 --> 00:12:46,160 Speaker 1: we're looking at is a murder charge, most likely a 190 00:12:46,240 --> 00:12:50,000 Speaker 1: voluntary manslaughter charge, maybe an involuntary But if I were 191 00:12:50,840 --> 00:12:53,200 Speaker 1: trying this, I would not include in volunteering. You can 192 00:12:53,200 --> 00:12:57,120 Speaker 1: get straight probation for that, forget it. And an attempted 193 00:12:57,240 --> 00:13:02,640 Speaker 1: murder on the mother and and aggravated assault putting someone 194 00:13:02,880 --> 00:13:08,320 Speaker 1: in fear of immediately immediate bodily injury. With me an 195 00:13:08,360 --> 00:13:10,080 Speaker 1: all star panel, I want to go to doctor Angela 196 00:13:10,120 --> 00:13:13,920 Speaker 1: Arnold's psychiatrists joining us out of Atlanta at Angela Arnold 197 00:13:14,040 --> 00:13:19,079 Speaker 1: MD dot com. To me, it doesn't matter if they 198 00:13:19,480 --> 00:13:23,520 Speaker 1: meant to shoot into this particular window, or they were 199 00:13:23,640 --> 00:13:26,320 Speaker 1: joy riding and shot the gun up in the air 200 00:13:26,400 --> 00:13:30,080 Speaker 1: or so they thought. Doesn't matter to me because under 201 00:13:30,080 --> 00:13:33,080 Speaker 1: the law, you can intend to kill a certain person, 202 00:13:33,600 --> 00:13:37,080 Speaker 1: or you can do an act. As Christopher Stokes, an 203 00:13:37,080 --> 00:13:40,920 Speaker 1: attorney at law joining us at Stokes Law stated, it's 204 00:13:40,960 --> 00:13:46,000 Speaker 1: something so depraved that it equals murder one under the law. 205 00:13:46,200 --> 00:13:48,800 Speaker 1: So why should we care? And who in the world 206 00:13:49,000 --> 00:13:52,640 Speaker 1: would shoot a gun and a pact apartment complex like this? 207 00:13:53,000 --> 00:13:56,720 Speaker 1: Oh my goodness. And also Nancy, it still has the 208 00:13:56,800 --> 00:14:00,360 Speaker 1: same outcome for the mother who has lost this child. 209 00:14:00,760 --> 00:14:03,720 Speaker 1: The loss of a child is the ultimate tragedy that 210 00:14:03,800 --> 00:14:06,800 Speaker 1: someone can suffer. Tell me that, tell me there's so 211 00:14:06,920 --> 00:14:10,920 Speaker 1: much there's an injustice in it. The mother is going 212 00:14:11,000 --> 00:14:16,200 Speaker 1: to grieve forever because Nancy, she is not going to 213 00:14:16,240 --> 00:14:20,760 Speaker 1: get to do what she has given her life to do, 214 00:14:20,880 --> 00:14:23,680 Speaker 1: and that is to raise this child. So there will 215 00:14:23,720 --> 00:14:28,000 Speaker 1: be an emptiness inside of her forever because of the 216 00:14:28,080 --> 00:14:31,200 Speaker 1: loss of her sweet little baby, you know. Back to you, 217 00:14:31,240 --> 00:14:34,520 Speaker 1: Alexis Terrest joining me Crime Online dot Com investigative reporter. 218 00:14:34,600 --> 00:14:39,640 Speaker 1: She also is with lead Stories dot Com. Alexis, you 219 00:14:39,720 --> 00:14:43,360 Speaker 1: and I knew each other before we had children, remember 220 00:14:43,960 --> 00:14:46,920 Speaker 1: way back when, and I'm sure that both of us 221 00:14:46,920 --> 00:14:49,920 Speaker 1: thought we knew everything there was to know about love, 222 00:14:50,560 --> 00:14:54,360 Speaker 1: and then we had children, and then there's really no 223 00:14:54,480 --> 00:14:59,000 Speaker 1: question that. Sorry David, if you're listening, that the twins 224 00:14:59,080 --> 00:15:02,360 Speaker 1: aren't the loves of my life. There's just really no 225 00:15:02,480 --> 00:15:06,400 Speaker 1: question about it. So when you think about I mean, Alexis, 226 00:15:06,440 --> 00:15:11,200 Speaker 1: everything changes. There's no doubt in my mind. I would 227 00:15:11,320 --> 00:15:15,520 Speaker 1: rather die than my children be harmed. And this mother 228 00:15:15,800 --> 00:15:18,000 Speaker 1: now has to live with I guess I need to 229 00:15:18,040 --> 00:15:20,880 Speaker 1: shrink on this all a survivor guilt that we were 230 00:15:20,920 --> 00:15:25,120 Speaker 1: both shot. My baby died and I lived. Why was 231 00:15:25,160 --> 00:15:27,960 Speaker 1: it my fault? Well, she's going to deal with that 232 00:15:28,040 --> 00:15:30,520 Speaker 1: the rest of her life. What I'm trying to figure 233 00:15:30,560 --> 00:15:33,840 Speaker 1: out was neighbors are saying eight to ten shots were fired, 234 00:15:33,920 --> 00:15:38,040 Speaker 1: but how many actually went into that apartment Alexis. I 235 00:15:38,080 --> 00:15:40,480 Speaker 1: don't know how many actually went into the apartment, But 236 00:15:40,760 --> 00:15:43,120 Speaker 1: what you can see from the picture of the window 237 00:15:43,360 --> 00:15:45,720 Speaker 1: is that there are if you kind of count them up, 238 00:15:45,760 --> 00:15:49,600 Speaker 1: it looks like about ten bullet holes. And you know, 239 00:15:49,640 --> 00:15:52,040 Speaker 1: if you're not used to seeing crime scene or anything, 240 00:15:52,640 --> 00:15:55,680 Speaker 1: if it's such a jarring photo to me, even if 241 00:15:55,720 --> 00:15:58,360 Speaker 1: somebody who has seen lots of crime scene, because these 242 00:15:58,600 --> 00:16:01,680 Speaker 1: holes are actual bulletholes, and you know that they hit 243 00:16:01,720 --> 00:16:04,760 Speaker 1: a little boy who was in his mother's arms, and 244 00:16:04,800 --> 00:16:08,320 Speaker 1: that's even more than anything else, Like you are holding 245 00:16:08,360 --> 00:16:11,680 Speaker 1: your child when he is shot and killed, holding them 246 00:16:11,880 --> 00:16:14,640 Speaker 1: on your sofa, the safest place you can ever think 247 00:16:14,680 --> 00:16:18,560 Speaker 1: of inside your home, on your sofa, probably watching Paw Patrol, 248 00:16:18,560 --> 00:16:21,200 Speaker 1: which is what my child still watches. You know what 249 00:16:21,280 --> 00:16:24,080 Speaker 1: I was just thinking about when you said that, when 250 00:16:24,080 --> 00:16:26,560 Speaker 1: you said it was so jarring to see that photo. 251 00:16:26,960 --> 00:16:32,200 Speaker 1: Alexis to you, doctor Angela Arnold, renowned psychiatrists joining me 252 00:16:32,200 --> 00:16:36,320 Speaker 1: out of the Atlanta jurisdiction today, when she says it's jarring, 253 00:16:36,480 --> 00:16:40,680 Speaker 1: I find the dichotomy of the mother with the baby 254 00:16:40,760 --> 00:16:42,640 Speaker 1: on the sofa. And you know, doctor Angie, you and 255 00:16:42,640 --> 00:16:46,520 Speaker 1: I've talked about this. I cook at least five nights 256 00:16:46,520 --> 00:16:50,920 Speaker 1: a week, and we have dinner and don't give me 257 00:16:50,920 --> 00:16:52,840 Speaker 1: too much credit, a lot of his croppot, and I 258 00:16:52,920 --> 00:16:58,320 Speaker 1: understand some people look down on that anyway. Then what 259 00:16:58,480 --> 00:17:01,200 Speaker 1: we do. Homework has done, everything is done, and we 260 00:17:01,280 --> 00:17:04,920 Speaker 1: sit down and I stream something that would be good 261 00:17:04,920 --> 00:17:07,679 Speaker 1: for them to watch, and I'm just that's our nightly 262 00:17:07,880 --> 00:17:13,840 Speaker 1: routine and then they go to bed. The juxtaposition that 263 00:17:14,119 --> 00:17:20,000 Speaker 1: domestic scene and all that love right just shattered my 264 00:17:20,200 --> 00:17:26,000 Speaker 1: gunshots to actually hit the baby. So so that being said, Nancy, 265 00:17:26,440 --> 00:17:29,920 Speaker 1: this poor woman is going to have to somehow survive 266 00:17:30,520 --> 00:17:34,280 Speaker 1: the loss of her child. How how do you do that? 267 00:17:35,040 --> 00:17:37,639 Speaker 1: She's going to have to have some sort of dedication 268 00:17:37,720 --> 00:17:41,840 Speaker 1: to life because she is never and it sounds like 269 00:17:41,880 --> 00:17:46,040 Speaker 1: she was a really good mom, fixing dinner, having the 270 00:17:46,119 --> 00:17:48,600 Speaker 1: child's laying down with her, and then all of a sudden, 271 00:17:49,000 --> 00:17:51,560 Speaker 1: all of this. It's such an injustice. She's going to 272 00:17:51,640 --> 00:17:55,040 Speaker 1: forever have feelings of injustice over this, that something they 273 00:17:55,080 --> 00:17:58,720 Speaker 1: were in the safety of their home and killed. I 274 00:17:58,760 --> 00:18:01,360 Speaker 1: don't think there could be anything worse, Nancy, and I'm 275 00:18:01,400 --> 00:18:03,800 Speaker 1: not sure alexis to us shut if the baby died 276 00:18:03,840 --> 00:18:06,359 Speaker 1: on the scene or if he was transported to the 277 00:18:06,400 --> 00:18:09,600 Speaker 1: hospital when he died. But let's be real, justice got 278 00:18:09,680 --> 00:18:14,359 Speaker 1: more gun death investigator. How much can you really do 279 00:18:14,760 --> 00:18:18,320 Speaker 1: in an ambulance? I mean, I know MTS saved lives 280 00:18:18,359 --> 00:18:21,480 Speaker 1: every day, but with a shot. I understand the shot 281 00:18:21,520 --> 00:18:24,520 Speaker 1: was to the neck. How much can they really do 282 00:18:24,560 --> 00:18:28,160 Speaker 1: to save the baby other than hanging ivy and get 283 00:18:28,200 --> 00:18:30,560 Speaker 1: them to the hospital as quickly as possible. Not much 284 00:18:30,640 --> 00:18:35,439 Speaker 1: other than applying direct pressure to the wound. Because you know, 285 00:18:35,600 --> 00:18:39,800 Speaker 1: in the field, God bless him, paramedics, they've actually saved 286 00:18:39,840 --> 00:18:44,680 Speaker 1: my life on two occasions. There's there's nothing really invasive. 287 00:18:44,760 --> 00:18:46,359 Speaker 1: They can do it scene what I mean by that 288 00:18:46,480 --> 00:18:50,760 Speaker 1: even any kind of minor surgery, much less something major 289 00:18:50,920 --> 00:18:54,880 Speaker 1: that involves all of these vessel routes that are located 290 00:18:54,880 --> 00:18:58,200 Speaker 1: in our neck. And so they have to and it 291 00:18:58,320 --> 00:19:03,160 Speaker 1: was they went to Alabama Children's Healthcare Center and from 292 00:19:03,200 --> 00:19:08,240 Speaker 1: their address, Nancy, where Major was shot, it's about a 293 00:19:08,280 --> 00:19:11,560 Speaker 1: twenty minute drive. Now, of course that's on a normal day. 294 00:19:11,600 --> 00:19:14,639 Speaker 1: You've got an ambulance running lights and sirens. But time 295 00:19:14,760 --> 00:19:16,399 Speaker 1: is of the essence, so you want to try to 296 00:19:16,440 --> 00:19:19,199 Speaker 1: get them to the hospital as quickly as possible, so 297 00:19:19,200 --> 00:19:21,280 Speaker 1: you can get a trauma team in there and to 298 00:19:21,359 --> 00:19:23,639 Speaker 1: stem the bleeding first, and then from there you go 299 00:19:23,680 --> 00:19:26,800 Speaker 1: on and try to stabilize, and then of course, if 300 00:19:27,160 --> 00:19:29,280 Speaker 1: you can get to it, you try to take that 301 00:19:29,440 --> 00:19:45,960 Speaker 1: round out of the wound. Crime stories with Nancy Grace, Guys, 302 00:19:45,960 --> 00:19:49,320 Speaker 1: we are talking about the death. I'm just a beautiful 303 00:19:49,359 --> 00:19:51,959 Speaker 1: baby boy, just two years old, on the sofa with 304 00:19:52,040 --> 00:19:56,000 Speaker 1: mommy when shots ring out unexpected. Neighbors say they're here, 305 00:19:56,000 --> 00:20:01,320 Speaker 1: eight to ten rounds fired, both mommy and child shot. 306 00:20:01,840 --> 00:20:07,240 Speaker 1: Mommy lives, baby dies right now, manhunt for whom ever 307 00:20:07,880 --> 00:20:10,760 Speaker 1: did this deed? Take a listen now to our friends 308 00:20:10,800 --> 00:20:15,000 Speaker 1: at ABC. This is Byron Khalil. Two year old Major 309 00:20:15,080 --> 00:20:18,399 Speaker 1: Turner died early Friday morning. Major and his mother were 310 00:20:18,480 --> 00:20:22,280 Speaker 1: shot Thursday evening by someone who was outside their apartment 311 00:20:22,320 --> 00:20:25,840 Speaker 1: building on John Bryant Road and Winona. One neighbor, who 312 00:20:25,880 --> 00:20:28,439 Speaker 1: asked that we not show her face, told us what 313 00:20:28,560 --> 00:20:33,880 Speaker 1: she heard out of ten I heard about about four 314 00:20:33,960 --> 00:20:38,960 Speaker 1: or five rounds of shots, and and then I turned 315 00:20:39,000 --> 00:20:43,280 Speaker 1: my TV off and I roll thowing in. Some believe 316 00:20:43,320 --> 00:20:46,600 Speaker 1: the neighborhood needs more of a police presence. You need 317 00:20:46,680 --> 00:20:51,800 Speaker 1: multiletiction round here, police protection this night, end day. Mirror 318 00:20:51,840 --> 00:20:54,119 Speaker 1: Woodfin says he is prepared to do what it takes 319 00:20:54,119 --> 00:20:57,120 Speaker 1: to solve this crime. First of all, do we never 320 00:20:57,240 --> 00:21:00,199 Speaker 1: watch this terrest Chuck. Was the shooter on foot or 321 00:21:00,240 --> 00:21:03,760 Speaker 1: in a car? Probably don't know yet. It seems that 322 00:21:03,840 --> 00:21:07,920 Speaker 1: they were in a car because there was no one around, 323 00:21:08,520 --> 00:21:10,600 Speaker 1: you know, nobody like may outside and grab them. But 324 00:21:10,720 --> 00:21:13,080 Speaker 1: the police have not. I don't think they know yet. 325 00:21:13,280 --> 00:21:16,800 Speaker 1: You know, I've looked at the apartment complex very carefully, 326 00:21:16,840 --> 00:21:19,760 Speaker 1: Joe Scott, and I can't tell if I see cameras 327 00:21:19,880 --> 00:21:22,399 Speaker 1: or not. I can see a lot of street lights, 328 00:21:22,800 --> 00:21:25,400 Speaker 1: if there were cameras, they may have gotten an image, 329 00:21:25,440 --> 00:21:28,959 Speaker 1: but I can't see whether there are cameras or not. Yeah, 330 00:21:29,000 --> 00:21:34,159 Speaker 1: and in these more large or larger apartment complexes like this, 331 00:21:34,280 --> 00:21:36,040 Speaker 1: you don't know how old it is this sort of thing, 332 00:21:36,280 --> 00:21:39,800 Speaker 1: so you don't know if the technology is going to 333 00:21:39,840 --> 00:21:43,440 Speaker 1: be up to snuff. I think that what Birmingham PDE 334 00:21:43,720 --> 00:21:45,640 Speaker 1: is going to need to do, and probably what they've 335 00:21:45,640 --> 00:21:50,960 Speaker 1: already done, is up and down the avenue that leads 336 00:21:51,000 --> 00:21:54,080 Speaker 1: into this area. You might have any number of convenience 337 00:21:54,160 --> 00:21:57,159 Speaker 1: stores or storage facilities or places like that that do 338 00:21:57,320 --> 00:22:01,040 Speaker 1: have cameras. If a person was on foot, if there 339 00:22:01,040 --> 00:22:03,800 Speaker 1: were in a vehicle, maybe you can capture a tag 340 00:22:03,800 --> 00:22:08,280 Speaker 1: off of a license plate, or maybe you can have 341 00:22:08,320 --> 00:22:11,840 Speaker 1: some facial features that are recognizable. But I can tell 342 00:22:11,840 --> 00:22:15,640 Speaker 1: you this, Nancy, the individual that did this is very, 343 00:22:15,800 --> 00:22:18,959 Speaker 1: very familiar with this location. It wouldn't surprise me if 344 00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:24,000 Speaker 1: they could evade any kind of observation so that they 345 00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:28,000 Speaker 1: were motivated and the shows in this end result. The 346 00:22:28,119 --> 00:22:31,960 Speaker 1: Birmingham Police Chief Patrick Smith says that they believe there 347 00:22:32,200 --> 00:22:36,360 Speaker 1: is video evidence in the case, which is why they're 348 00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:41,200 Speaker 1: asking the community for help now. Right there, alexis trust Chuck. 349 00:22:42,320 --> 00:22:46,840 Speaker 1: That's a double edged sort. I'm hearing two interpretations. One 350 00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:50,359 Speaker 1: we have video evidence and two we need your help 351 00:22:50,359 --> 00:22:53,720 Speaker 1: and amassing video evidence. So do they have it or 352 00:22:53,760 --> 00:22:55,960 Speaker 1: do they believe it's out there and they've got to 353 00:22:56,000 --> 00:22:59,280 Speaker 1: get it. It sounds like the latter to me. That's 354 00:22:59,320 --> 00:23:01,240 Speaker 1: exactly what it sounds like. It sounds like they're hoping 355 00:23:01,280 --> 00:23:04,080 Speaker 1: that maybe a neighbor that lives three houses down has 356 00:23:04,119 --> 00:23:07,600 Speaker 1: a ring camera on their doorbell and that they saw it, 357 00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:11,200 Speaker 1: or that somebody else has a camera that was facing 358 00:23:11,240 --> 00:23:14,080 Speaker 1: this way. But it doesn't sound like they're not saying, well, 359 00:23:14,119 --> 00:23:16,000 Speaker 1: we have the security footage from across the street and 360 00:23:16,080 --> 00:23:18,600 Speaker 1: it looked like this is a description of a car, 361 00:23:18,800 --> 00:23:21,280 Speaker 1: or that is the description of a person. They are 362 00:23:21,320 --> 00:23:23,960 Speaker 1: asking for help. But I do want to point out, 363 00:23:23,960 --> 00:23:27,560 Speaker 1: you know, the mayor has called these guys the people 364 00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:31,119 Speaker 1: that have done his punks. He has really been pretty 365 00:23:31,640 --> 00:23:34,959 Speaker 1: adamant about. I really appreciate that the mayor call them punks, 366 00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:38,679 Speaker 1: which they probably are, but I call them murderers. And 367 00:23:38,720 --> 00:23:43,280 Speaker 1: I'd like to see fewer words and more action in 368 00:23:43,440 --> 00:23:47,679 Speaker 1: finding this person. You know, the guy statistically, it's a 369 00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:51,920 Speaker 1: guy it's familiar with the area, just as just got 370 00:23:51,960 --> 00:23:56,240 Speaker 1: Morgan said, but I guarantee you he was not alone. 371 00:23:57,359 --> 00:23:59,080 Speaker 1: If this guy was in a car, you know somebody 372 00:23:59,080 --> 00:24:01,600 Speaker 1: who's in that car with him. Straight back out to 373 00:24:01,640 --> 00:24:04,960 Speaker 1: Christopher Stokes Attorney joining me from the Stokes Law firm 374 00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:10,240 Speaker 1: at Stokes at Law dot com. We've been saying did 375 00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:13,960 Speaker 1: they know the victims? Or was this a drive by shooting? 376 00:24:14,119 --> 00:24:19,359 Speaker 1: Was it random? But the reality is motive is never 377 00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:24,880 Speaker 1: required under the law. Do you agree or disagree or 378 00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:29,000 Speaker 1: would you Christopher Stokes use lack of motive as a 379 00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:34,280 Speaker 1: way to reduce the crime to voluntary manslaughter? No, no, Nancy. 380 00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:37,479 Speaker 1: I think that, as I said, when you're shooting that 381 00:24:37,520 --> 00:24:42,640 Speaker 1: many times into an apartment, regardless of the motive, jardless 382 00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:46,320 Speaker 1: of your reason, you were there to harm someone, whether 383 00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:49,359 Speaker 1: you intended to hit that apartment or you hit it 384 00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:52,000 Speaker 1: by mistake because you thought you were shooting at someone 385 00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:55,400 Speaker 1: else's apartment. And in the end, I think what this 386 00:24:55,480 --> 00:24:57,840 Speaker 1: is going to boil down to in terms of solving 387 00:24:57,880 --> 00:25:03,960 Speaker 1: it is someone coming forward. Someone knows who these people are. Absolutely, 388 00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:07,600 Speaker 1: and Christopher Stokes, if some guy had an AX to 389 00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:11,320 Speaker 1: grind with the mom for instance, that would be out 390 00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:15,400 Speaker 1: there family and friends. The mom herself would be talking 391 00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:18,880 Speaker 1: about that, and we haven't heard that at all. So 392 00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:21,480 Speaker 1: it seems to me like it is going to be 393 00:25:21,560 --> 00:25:26,160 Speaker 1: someone who may be shooting at random, and you're saying 394 00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:30,919 Speaker 1: that motive is irrelevant. I think. I mean, we have 395 00:25:31,119 --> 00:25:34,280 Speaker 1: here someone who has shot up a play without any 396 00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:37,359 Speaker 1: concern for human life. Oh, Christopher Stokes, let me tell 397 00:25:37,359 --> 00:25:40,520 Speaker 1: you something. I was once prosecuting a case. There were 398 00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:44,920 Speaker 1: two defendants and it was a murder case, and one 399 00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:49,760 Speaker 1: of the defendants lawyer actually tried to argue transferred intent. 400 00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:53,359 Speaker 1: I don't think they realize that's not a legal theory 401 00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:56,280 Speaker 1: under the law. It was basically, oh, you know what, 402 00:25:56,440 --> 00:25:59,000 Speaker 1: I meant to shoot you, Christopher Stokes, but I accidentally 403 00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:03,360 Speaker 1: shot Jackie. My intent was to murder you. That it's 404 00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:06,399 Speaker 1: so bast achwards because if you intend to murder anybody 405 00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:09,199 Speaker 1: and you fire a weapon, it's still murder even if 406 00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:21,679 Speaker 1: you got the wrong person. That's correct. Crime Stories with 407 00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:28,639 Speaker 1: Nancy Grace, guys, we are analyzing the clues left behind 408 00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:31,560 Speaker 1: in the shooting of a young mother and her two 409 00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:36,040 Speaker 1: year old baby boy, Major Turner. As of right now, 410 00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:40,000 Speaker 1: no arrests have been made. Take a listen to this. 411 00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:44,879 Speaker 1: Birmingham police are working to find whoever is responsible for 412 00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:49,280 Speaker 1: shooting into his family's home Thursday night, killing Major and 413 00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:52,959 Speaker 1: injuring his mom. Howard says they had just finished dinner 414 00:26:53,119 --> 00:26:55,359 Speaker 1: and her close friend was getting her boys in bed 415 00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:58,879 Speaker 1: for the night. Didn't this thing? You know this one? 416 00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:02,320 Speaker 1: And she heard gunshot since she tried to take cover 417 00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:06,479 Speaker 1: and protect her kids. The bish too. When Howard flipped 418 00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:10,160 Speaker 1: through pictures Friday, her heart broke a little bit more. 419 00:27:10,359 --> 00:27:14,000 Speaker 1: But she hopes when you see Major's sweet smile, it'll 420 00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:17,400 Speaker 1: push you to help police solve this case. I don't 421 00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:21,360 Speaker 1: know who, that's what I'm hoping that this interbury will 422 00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:25,840 Speaker 1: help dead person come until only still they should feel 423 00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:31,880 Speaker 1: bad for taking a sweet baby life away. And Howard 424 00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:34,560 Speaker 1: says his mom has been released from the hospital after 425 00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:37,200 Speaker 1: she was injured in that shooting. In the last update 426 00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:40,360 Speaker 1: from Birmingham Police, they say no suspects are in custody. 427 00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:44,199 Speaker 1: No suspects in custody, according to Randy Hilldreath at w 428 00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:48,320 Speaker 1: BRC that's Fox six Now, I want you to take 429 00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:52,840 Speaker 1: a listen to the Birmingham Mayor, Randall wood Fenn. This 430 00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:56,360 Speaker 1: is not the time to be silent, and for anybody 431 00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:59,359 Speaker 1: that has information or it is harboring this person or 432 00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:03,119 Speaker 1: people will show into this house, Shame on you, the 433 00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:06,400 Speaker 1: person or the people that did this, or cowards or punks. 434 00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:09,640 Speaker 1: This is not a way to solve issues. And when 435 00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:13,879 Speaker 1: an innocent child is killed, do the right thing. And 436 00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:17,199 Speaker 1: so I'm asking the entire community. I'm asking the press 437 00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:22,840 Speaker 1: and everyone else stop what you're doing today. Give this 438 00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:27,080 Speaker 1: all of your attention and any information you have to 439 00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:31,200 Speaker 1: bring any form of justice to this family. To major 440 00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:36,119 Speaker 1: I'd asked how you do it? Thank you. You know, 441 00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:39,760 Speaker 1: I'm just thinking about my own shoulder right now and 442 00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:44,880 Speaker 1: trying to keep myself from imagining this happening to them. 443 00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:48,560 Speaker 1: Straight back out to you. Death investigator Joseph Scott Morgan 444 00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:52,680 Speaker 1: joining us from Jacksonville State University. Joe Scott, what are 445 00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:56,080 Speaker 1: police doing right now? Because I find it very difficult 446 00:28:56,880 --> 00:29:00,800 Speaker 1: that nobody has been brought in for questioning. Yeah, they're 447 00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:06,680 Speaker 1: they're shaking. They're shaking the bushes right now, Nancy. And yeah, 448 00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:10,560 Speaker 1: no kidding. I gotta tell you, Nancy, I still go 449 00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:13,040 Speaker 1: back to this idea that this is a targeted event, 450 00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:15,120 Speaker 1: and I was given this a bit more thought after 451 00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:18,360 Speaker 1: we were talking about targeting. We've all been talking about random, 452 00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:21,479 Speaker 1: and now you're taking target I don't think it's random. 453 00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:23,880 Speaker 1: And this is why I don't think it's random, Nancy. 454 00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:25,960 Speaker 1: Somebody walked up to that window. Now I don't know 455 00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:28,000 Speaker 1: if they were right on top of it, but think 456 00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:30,959 Speaker 1: about the position that Mama and Major were in. They 457 00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:33,720 Speaker 1: were on sofa. How tall is a sofa? At most, 458 00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:37,160 Speaker 1: it's probably I don't know, maybe two and a half 459 00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:40,720 Speaker 1: feet off the ground. If you're laying laying on the sofa, 460 00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:43,600 Speaker 1: these bullets are going to have downward trajectories. This is 461 00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:46,760 Speaker 1: not somebody riding by in a car. And these rounds 462 00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:50,200 Speaker 1: did not pass through a brick wall, Nancy. They passed 463 00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:53,240 Speaker 1: through a window. So that gives me an indication that 464 00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:56,440 Speaker 1: whoever fired these rounds when they pulled the trajectories. When 465 00:29:56,440 --> 00:29:59,280 Speaker 1: they show those you know how on television, people will 466 00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:02,560 Speaker 1: see the laser that we use in order to pull trajectories. 467 00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:06,440 Speaker 1: When they pull these trajectories, I can almost guarantee you 468 00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:09,360 Speaker 1: dollars of donuts, this thing is going to be from 469 00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:14,960 Speaker 1: above to below in a downward trajectory, striking both Mama 470 00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:18,800 Speaker 1: and precious Little Major in the neck. Okay, from that height, 471 00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:21,720 Speaker 1: this is not somebody just randomly driving by. And let 472 00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:25,360 Speaker 1: me tell you one more thing. You got ten rounds 473 00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:28,040 Speaker 1: that have been spent out there. This is not a revolver. 474 00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:31,880 Speaker 1: This is going to be a semi automatic handgun. In 475 00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:35,440 Speaker 1: my estimation, there will be spent brass, spent casings that 476 00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:37,560 Speaker 1: are laying around. You remember the grass area we were 477 00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:40,080 Speaker 1: talking about. I don't think that they would They would 478 00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:42,520 Speaker 1: have been dismounted and outside of a vehicle when they 479 00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:45,400 Speaker 1: were firing, so you're gonna have ejective casings. They're just 480 00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:47,120 Speaker 1: laying out there in the grass. It may have because 481 00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:49,280 Speaker 1: these people didn't hang around long enough to go back. 482 00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:53,040 Speaker 1: Do you know there fine found or are you speculating 483 00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:55,640 Speaker 1: I'm speculating that they would have been, because who's going 484 00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:59,400 Speaker 1: to stand around and take the Even if you don't 485 00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:01,280 Speaker 1: found every one of them, By god, you're going to 486 00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:04,920 Speaker 1: find a couple of them. Abstriations on those cases can 487 00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:08,680 Speaker 1: be specifically tied back, tied back to the weapon that 488 00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:11,640 Speaker 1: was used, not to mention the recovers, the ballistics on 489 00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:15,160 Speaker 1: them that will come back, and that could be enough 490 00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:19,680 Speaker 1: physical evidence in and of itself to get to warn 491 00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:22,960 Speaker 1: a conviction in this case. I had been hoping, not 492 00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:24,760 Speaker 1: that it would really make any difference that this was 493 00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:28,840 Speaker 1: a drive by shooting at random, but that theory does 494 00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:33,440 Speaker 1: not necessarily coincide with the trajectory paths of the bullets. 495 00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:38,520 Speaker 1: Just as you portrayed, this was a downstairs window. They 496 00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:41,800 Speaker 1: were on the sofa, so I'm not quite sure of 497 00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:44,360 Speaker 1: the positioning of the sofa in the room, but it 498 00:31:44,360 --> 00:31:49,320 Speaker 1: would be very difficult to shoot from outside, especially if 499 00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:52,719 Speaker 1: the sofa was against the wall of the window. That 500 00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:56,240 Speaker 1: leads me to another question. I remember prosecuting a case 501 00:31:56,760 --> 00:32:02,080 Speaker 1: where two infants were in there lets. They were lying 502 00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:07,600 Speaker 1: there and in a revenge act, not on the infants 503 00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:14,240 Speaker 1: but on the father, the perp through a Molotov cocktail 504 00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:18,960 Speaker 1: into the window and said, I'm going to fry some babies. 505 00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:23,880 Speaker 1: Kill both the babies. It was immediate. They burned to death, 506 00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:29,720 Speaker 1: lying in their little bassies, their bassonets. They actually intended 507 00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:37,240 Speaker 1: to kill two infants in a revenge act. That happened. 508 00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:43,240 Speaker 1: I worked the case. So as bizarre as that sounds, 509 00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:46,800 Speaker 1: why would you do something like that to doctor Angela Arnold. 510 00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:52,120 Speaker 1: We've seen over and over where, for instance, and a 511 00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:56,880 Speaker 1: strange husband or boyfriend would kill the baby to get 512 00:32:56,920 --> 00:33:00,520 Speaker 1: back at the mother, Although we have not heard that 513 00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:04,160 Speaker 1: as a motive in this case, it's not that far 514 00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:08,880 Speaker 1: fetched that the child was shot at in revenge on 515 00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:12,200 Speaker 1: the mother or father. I've seen it happen. It's hard 516 00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:15,400 Speaker 1: for me to take in, but it happens. Doctor Angela sure, 517 00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:17,960 Speaker 1: and I don't think it's that far fetched either. But 518 00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:20,920 Speaker 1: I also think that you would have to assume that 519 00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:24,200 Speaker 1: whoever did us knew that they were going to be 520 00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:25,959 Speaker 1: laying on the couch at that time. How did they 521 00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:28,719 Speaker 1: know that and that the baby was It just sounds 522 00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:32,160 Speaker 1: like it sounds like this was more of a random 523 00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:34,480 Speaker 1: act that they came in and just shot up the 524 00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:37,160 Speaker 1: place and they didn't care who they were going to kill. Guys, 525 00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:40,920 Speaker 1: take a listen to our friends at CBS forty two. 526 00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:43,600 Speaker 1: No suspects have been named at this time, Sherry, but 527 00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:46,440 Speaker 1: we did speak with Police Chief Patrick Smith late this afternoon, 528 00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:49,120 Speaker 1: who tells us there could be video evidence in this case, 529 00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:52,480 Speaker 1: as he and Cydney leaders demand to know who is responsible. 530 00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:57,280 Speaker 1: Let's give justice to this young baby who's done nothing 531 00:33:57,600 --> 00:34:01,360 Speaker 1: to no one. Police Chief Patrick's my addressing the issues 532 00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:04,520 Speaker 1: of gun violence in the city. I mean, let's look 533 00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:07,680 Speaker 1: at it. Last year we took over twenty five hundred 534 00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:11,520 Speaker 1: guns off the street, and we're still having shootings. And 535 00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:15,200 Speaker 1: because of gun violence. Thursday night, a mother suffered life 536 00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:18,919 Speaker 1: threatened injuries and two year old Major Turner now dead. 537 00:34:19,080 --> 00:34:21,919 Speaker 1: I can tell you through their tears, through their pain, 538 00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:27,520 Speaker 1: I'm listening to them. This family is grieving now. It's 539 00:34:27,560 --> 00:34:30,919 Speaker 1: so easy for us to think, Oh, that could never 540 00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:36,319 Speaker 1: happen to me, that could never happen in my neighborhood. Well, 541 00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:40,040 Speaker 1: we'll let me tell you something. Doctor Angela Arnold lives 542 00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:43,800 Speaker 1: in one of the swankiest neighborhoods I'm sure, in Atlanta, 543 00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:47,640 Speaker 1: and it was near her neighborhood where a little girl 544 00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:53,759 Speaker 1: just got shot unintentionally in a drive by shooting near 545 00:34:54,200 --> 00:35:00,800 Speaker 1: the most expensive designer label mall in the entire region, 546 00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:10,640 Speaker 1: Phipps Mall. So it does happen in every neighborhood. Let 547 00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:15,760 Speaker 1: me give you the tip line again. Please please pay attention. 548 00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:19,759 Speaker 1: Look at the picture a little major and act if 549 00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:24,320 Speaker 1: you can two zero five two five four seven seven 550 00:35:24,719 --> 00:35:29,920 Speaker 1: seven seven repeat two zero five two five four seven 551 00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:37,360 Speaker 1: seven seven seven Our prayers with Little Major and his family. Goodbye, friend,