1 00:00:12,480 --> 00:00:15,560 Speaker 1: So this is doctor pimple Popper. First of all, you 2 00:00:15,680 --> 00:00:19,279 Speaker 1: really have built a brand. You have built this brand 3 00:00:19,800 --> 00:00:23,920 Speaker 1: in doctor pimple Popper. And did that start because of 4 00:00:24,040 --> 00:00:26,480 Speaker 1: these like shocking videos. 5 00:00:26,920 --> 00:00:29,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, essentially it did. I mean it didn't really start 6 00:00:29,600 --> 00:00:32,360 Speaker 2: so shocking. I mean it depends on what you consider shocking. 7 00:00:32,360 --> 00:00:35,280 Speaker 2: I guess blackhead extractions and things like that. Do you 8 00:00:35,320 --> 00:00:37,720 Speaker 2: can you watch those? Can you not tolerate those at all? 9 00:00:37,960 --> 00:00:41,880 Speaker 2: Just like a basic extraction of a blackhead on a nose? 10 00:00:42,080 --> 00:00:45,000 Speaker 1: No, it gives you the heat best, like a combination. 11 00:00:45,280 --> 00:00:48,760 Speaker 1: Like I get the satisfaction that people have with it. 12 00:00:49,080 --> 00:00:49,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, but. 13 00:00:51,159 --> 00:00:54,440 Speaker 1: I'm not drawn to it, but I completely understand why 14 00:00:54,480 --> 00:00:56,880 Speaker 1: people are, and sometimes there's something fascinating. 15 00:00:57,080 --> 00:00:59,960 Speaker 2: I am the same way. I've never been drawn to it. 16 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:02,840 Speaker 2: I'm a dermatologist. I'm not drawn to it. But I 17 00:01:02,880 --> 00:01:06,280 Speaker 2: discovered that people were really into it, and then I 18 00:01:06,360 --> 00:01:08,080 Speaker 2: just thought, how far can I push it? And I 19 00:01:08,120 --> 00:01:10,399 Speaker 2: call those soft pops, and then I call it hard 20 00:01:10,440 --> 00:01:12,760 Speaker 2: pops when you go into like the heavy stuff, like 21 00:01:12,840 --> 00:01:15,039 Speaker 2: the triple X kind of pops where you got like 22 00:01:15,080 --> 00:01:19,160 Speaker 2: some blood gushing and your surgery. And I see that 23 00:01:19,200 --> 00:01:21,720 Speaker 2: there's a range, So I feel like you can sort 24 00:01:21,720 --> 00:01:23,200 Speaker 2: of get people into it a little bit. 25 00:01:23,240 --> 00:01:28,959 Speaker 1: Sometimes it's like PGR or x NC seventeen exactly fascinating. 26 00:01:29,040 --> 00:01:29,280 Speaker 3: Wow. 27 00:01:29,400 --> 00:01:33,399 Speaker 1: Okay, So how much of your time is spent on 28 00:01:34,000 --> 00:01:38,520 Speaker 1: social media and the brand of it and actually being 29 00:01:38,520 --> 00:01:39,280 Speaker 1: a dermatologist. 30 00:01:39,319 --> 00:01:41,400 Speaker 3: How do you balance both? It's hard. 31 00:01:41,520 --> 00:01:43,000 Speaker 2: I mean, just like you, you know, you're doing a 32 00:01:43,000 --> 00:01:45,199 Speaker 2: lot of different things, and sometimes you get excited about 33 00:01:45,200 --> 00:01:47,840 Speaker 2: something and you put more of your eggs in that basket, right, 34 00:01:47,880 --> 00:01:50,080 Speaker 2: and then you move away and you might get bored 35 00:01:50,080 --> 00:01:52,640 Speaker 2: with it or something happens with it. I was very 36 00:01:52,680 --> 00:01:55,800 Speaker 2: into social media back that was like probably twenty sixteen 37 00:01:55,920 --> 00:01:57,560 Speaker 2: or so, when I was just growing and I was 38 00:01:57,600 --> 00:01:58,040 Speaker 2: really new. 39 00:01:58,120 --> 00:01:59,440 Speaker 3: I was one of the only doctors on. 40 00:01:59,560 --> 00:02:03,560 Speaker 2: Social media and just posting these and seeing this sort 41 00:02:03,600 --> 00:02:07,360 Speaker 2: of grow really quickly because the algorithm really was there. 42 00:02:07,520 --> 00:02:10,800 Speaker 2: People engaged with you, and they responded. They either loved 43 00:02:10,840 --> 00:02:13,760 Speaker 2: it or they hated it. Tag the friends. Yeah, so 44 00:02:13,840 --> 00:02:16,600 Speaker 2: it's you like crazy, and I was like, what is 45 00:02:16,680 --> 00:02:19,079 Speaker 2: this and what is this crazy strange power? 46 00:02:19,160 --> 00:02:20,400 Speaker 3: Right? You see it? 47 00:02:20,720 --> 00:02:23,160 Speaker 2: You grow and you're like people are like in you know, 48 00:02:23,240 --> 00:02:26,920 Speaker 2: Bolivia or watching your rights and you have this weird 49 00:02:27,080 --> 00:02:30,200 Speaker 2: sort of influence that was new and interesting, and here 50 00:02:30,200 --> 00:02:32,840 Speaker 2: I am just a dermatologist working in my office and 51 00:02:32,919 --> 00:02:35,480 Speaker 2: now people were coming to me from like across the 52 00:02:35,480 --> 00:02:37,000 Speaker 2: country or other continents. 53 00:02:37,280 --> 00:02:38,520 Speaker 3: That's what I was going to ask. 54 00:02:38,560 --> 00:02:43,720 Speaker 1: So how much of it is education versus entertainment in 55 00:02:43,800 --> 00:02:45,000 Speaker 1: the social media space. 56 00:02:45,440 --> 00:02:48,920 Speaker 2: I maintain that it's primarily education, but I feel like 57 00:02:48,960 --> 00:02:51,840 Speaker 2: it's interesting. People don't understand the things. 58 00:02:51,560 --> 00:02:54,799 Speaker 3: That lives beneath. Yeah, and I think it's fascinating to everybody. 59 00:02:54,800 --> 00:02:55,639 Speaker 3: I say this all the time. 60 00:02:55,760 --> 00:02:58,359 Speaker 2: It's like, we all know what's normal skin looks like, right, 61 00:02:58,680 --> 00:03:00,720 Speaker 2: so we don't really know. I don't really know what 62 00:03:00,760 --> 00:03:03,320 Speaker 2: a disease liver may look like by looking at it, 63 00:03:03,680 --> 00:03:06,880 Speaker 2: but we know what skin should look like in our eyes, 64 00:03:06,919 --> 00:03:10,320 Speaker 2: and so it's more fascinating, I think, to us because 65 00:03:10,320 --> 00:03:11,560 Speaker 2: it's all relatable to us. 66 00:03:12,080 --> 00:03:14,840 Speaker 1: Right, So I need you to settle something for me 67 00:03:15,080 --> 00:03:18,400 Speaker 1: and tell me if I was on or off. I 68 00:03:18,440 --> 00:03:22,680 Speaker 1: see influencers beating their face with makeup, then going, we're 69 00:03:22,680 --> 00:03:24,320 Speaker 1: gonna get into them just beating their face with makeup 70 00:03:24,360 --> 00:03:26,440 Speaker 1: to begin with, which just makes me cringe more than 71 00:03:26,520 --> 00:03:28,640 Speaker 1: watching a pimple be popped, way more because I'm like 72 00:03:28,720 --> 00:03:31,160 Speaker 1: this is so dumb, which we're going to get into, 73 00:03:31,240 --> 00:03:32,959 Speaker 1: which is also ironic because I do a lot of 74 00:03:32,960 --> 00:03:37,080 Speaker 1: makeup videos, so I see someone going with a full 75 00:03:37,480 --> 00:03:41,040 Speaker 1: beat of makeup onto an airplane for multiple hours. And 76 00:03:41,080 --> 00:03:44,280 Speaker 1: here's what my natural instincts which have gotten me everywhere, 77 00:03:44,320 --> 00:03:46,040 Speaker 1: and why I have good skin in my opinion, why 78 00:03:46,040 --> 00:03:49,640 Speaker 1: I'm thin in my opinion, my natural instincts say, which 79 00:03:49,640 --> 00:03:51,440 Speaker 1: people have debated against because they've been like, what's the 80 00:03:51,440 --> 00:03:53,080 Speaker 1: difference between being on a plane and walking through a 81 00:03:53,160 --> 00:03:55,760 Speaker 1: mall with makeup or through the day, And I'm like, Okay, 82 00:03:56,320 --> 00:03:59,800 Speaker 1: an airplane is the most dehydrating, drying place in the 83 00:03:59,800 --> 00:04:02,360 Speaker 1: world world. Not to mention you're trapped with other people's germs. 84 00:04:02,440 --> 00:04:05,920 Speaker 1: Now you're in a capsule with layers of makeup on, 85 00:04:06,840 --> 00:04:10,560 Speaker 1: and compounding that with dehydration, and sometimes being dehydrated can 86 00:04:10,600 --> 00:04:13,800 Speaker 1: trap your skin, even make you break out underneath. My opinion, 87 00:04:13,880 --> 00:04:17,279 Speaker 1: those underneath bumps. So it's not always what you see. 88 00:04:17,680 --> 00:04:20,480 Speaker 1: It's like again, what lies beneath, Like your skin's not breathing. 89 00:04:20,839 --> 00:04:24,080 Speaker 1: So I think putting makeup on and going on a plane, 90 00:04:24,520 --> 00:04:26,880 Speaker 1: or putting it on on a plane is crazy and 91 00:04:26,920 --> 00:04:29,520 Speaker 1: you should have the cleanest skin possible and utilize that 92 00:04:29,600 --> 00:04:33,440 Speaker 1: time to cleanse and hydrate because that's the time you're 93 00:04:33,440 --> 00:04:34,320 Speaker 1: going to be so dehydrated. 94 00:04:34,360 --> 00:04:37,280 Speaker 3: Drink water, Do the best you can. That's my gut instinct. 95 00:04:37,279 --> 00:04:40,320 Speaker 1: How on or off am I because people debated me, Yeah, 96 00:04:40,360 --> 00:04:42,279 Speaker 1: And I think this was an issue right on social 97 00:04:42,279 --> 00:04:42,880 Speaker 1: media recently. 98 00:04:42,960 --> 00:04:44,960 Speaker 3: Not an issue, just a discussion. 99 00:04:45,000 --> 00:04:46,599 Speaker 2: Some people I think we're talking about don't even do 100 00:04:46,640 --> 00:04:49,240 Speaker 2: your skincare regimen there because it's like doing it in 101 00:04:49,279 --> 00:04:51,680 Speaker 2: the toilet or something. You know, it's like in a 102 00:04:51,720 --> 00:04:54,240 Speaker 2: dirty area, So you could think of it that way too. 103 00:04:54,279 --> 00:04:57,160 Speaker 2: But I agree with you. Dehydration is big. I don't 104 00:04:57,200 --> 00:05:00,080 Speaker 2: love putting having a ton of makeup on in the airplane, 105 00:05:00,200 --> 00:05:02,200 Speaker 2: but you know, I also put a little bit of 106 00:05:02,200 --> 00:05:04,919 Speaker 2: makeup on, but I don't like heavy coverage. And what 107 00:05:05,040 --> 00:05:07,480 Speaker 2: happens is that there's occlusion. Like if I have heavy 108 00:05:07,480 --> 00:05:09,920 Speaker 2: makeup on and I'm doing some press or something, I 109 00:05:09,960 --> 00:05:11,479 Speaker 2: want to take that off as soon as I can, 110 00:05:11,600 --> 00:05:14,200 Speaker 2: because it just feels like this weight on you when 111 00:05:14,200 --> 00:05:17,040 Speaker 2: you trapping. Yes, it doesn't feel like your skin can 112 00:05:17,080 --> 00:05:20,159 Speaker 2: breathe properly, And so I agree with that. I don't 113 00:05:20,160 --> 00:05:22,520 Speaker 2: know if I like love the idea of people doing 114 00:05:22,560 --> 00:05:25,200 Speaker 2: a full skincare regimen there. I mean it's like you're 115 00:05:25,240 --> 00:05:27,520 Speaker 2: on the toilet really right, and you're like, well, I. 116 00:05:27,480 --> 00:05:29,839 Speaker 1: Do it before, yeah, doing it on? No, I agree, 117 00:05:29,880 --> 00:05:32,000 Speaker 1: that's a great point too. You're like putting germs into 118 00:05:32,040 --> 00:05:34,560 Speaker 1: the face now, like taking the air, you got to 119 00:05:34,600 --> 00:05:36,000 Speaker 1: seal the practice before you get on. 120 00:05:36,320 --> 00:05:38,680 Speaker 3: Yes, yes, I don't think it's a huge deal. 121 00:05:38,839 --> 00:05:40,320 Speaker 2: Like I mean, if people want to do that and 122 00:05:40,360 --> 00:05:41,680 Speaker 2: they don't have the time and they got to run 123 00:05:41,680 --> 00:05:43,080 Speaker 2: and do it on the plane, then what are you 124 00:05:43,120 --> 00:05:43,479 Speaker 2: going to do? 125 00:05:43,600 --> 00:05:43,800 Speaker 3: You know? 126 00:05:43,839 --> 00:05:45,719 Speaker 2: But do I think like everybody should be, you know, 127 00:05:45,800 --> 00:05:47,799 Speaker 2: having pull heads of makeup on the plane or putting 128 00:05:47,800 --> 00:05:49,839 Speaker 2: their makeup on on the plane. No, I mean I 129 00:05:49,839 --> 00:05:52,320 Speaker 2: think it's not a good idea. It's a different environment. 130 00:05:52,520 --> 00:05:54,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, but you're doing it because you feel like you 131 00:05:54,160 --> 00:05:55,920 Speaker 1: want to look a certain way. So you're saying it's 132 00:05:55,920 --> 00:05:57,720 Speaker 1: the lesser of evils in that moment. You don't want 133 00:05:57,720 --> 00:05:59,760 Speaker 1: to feel bad about the way you look, so you're 134 00:05:59,800 --> 00:06:03,479 Speaker 1: taking that little risk on the table about trapping your skin, 135 00:06:03,640 --> 00:06:05,560 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Like you're deciding what I'm saying. 136 00:06:05,600 --> 00:06:09,119 Speaker 1: In an ideal world, if you're on an airplane. Isn't 137 00:06:09,160 --> 00:06:10,560 Speaker 1: no makeup a better idea? 138 00:06:10,960 --> 00:06:13,040 Speaker 3: Of course? Okay, that's what I thought. 139 00:06:13,320 --> 00:06:16,000 Speaker 1: I definitely will break out after a couple of things 140 00:06:16,040 --> 00:06:18,719 Speaker 1: of makeup, like having it on. This is also ironic 141 00:06:18,760 --> 00:06:20,919 Speaker 1: because I talk about makeup like not a lot, and 142 00:06:21,000 --> 00:06:23,960 Speaker 1: I've gone to get microdermabration, which I still do love. 143 00:06:24,160 --> 00:06:27,480 Speaker 1: And no matter how well you've cleaned your skin, when 144 00:06:27,480 --> 00:06:30,680 Speaker 1: they take that little white pad out, it's makeup on 145 00:06:30,800 --> 00:06:33,080 Speaker 1: there and they tell you look at it. 146 00:06:33,360 --> 00:06:35,200 Speaker 3: And if it is a month. 147 00:06:35,000 --> 00:06:38,920 Speaker 1: Where I've done more photoshoots, you see more like it's 148 00:06:39,120 --> 00:06:40,960 Speaker 1: very hard to really get it all out. 149 00:06:41,360 --> 00:06:41,600 Speaker 3: Yeah. 150 00:06:41,640 --> 00:06:44,400 Speaker 2: Sure, But on that note, you got to be careful 151 00:06:44,400 --> 00:06:46,440 Speaker 2: with those sorts of things too, because too much of 152 00:06:46,480 --> 00:06:47,800 Speaker 2: a good thing is excessive. 153 00:06:47,880 --> 00:06:48,120 Speaker 3: Right. 154 00:06:48,320 --> 00:06:51,040 Speaker 2: There are certainly people who have body dysmorphia and they're 155 00:06:51,120 --> 00:06:52,080 Speaker 2: scrubbing their face. 156 00:06:52,120 --> 00:06:52,920 Speaker 3: Oh no you. 157 00:06:52,839 --> 00:06:55,440 Speaker 2: Can't, So you got to there's like a balance, you know, 158 00:06:55,520 --> 00:06:58,760 Speaker 2: there's dirt everywhere you could be getting your face. If 159 00:06:58,800 --> 00:07:01,279 Speaker 2: you do a microdermoerbration after not wearing any makeup, you 160 00:07:01,320 --> 00:07:01,880 Speaker 2: may still have. 161 00:07:02,000 --> 00:07:02,960 Speaker 3: That would be a nice test. 162 00:07:03,000 --> 00:07:04,600 Speaker 1: An hour after you wake up you didn't do anything, 163 00:07:04,640 --> 00:07:06,120 Speaker 1: and there's dirt in your face. It's just dirt in 164 00:07:06,120 --> 00:07:08,440 Speaker 1: the world. Yeah, that's a great point too, But I 165 00:07:08,480 --> 00:07:13,680 Speaker 1: do think that it's crazy watching influencers talk about their 166 00:07:13,760 --> 00:07:17,120 Speaker 1: skin and covering the pounds of makeup and then the 167 00:07:17,160 --> 00:07:18,600 Speaker 1: being upset about having bad skin. 168 00:07:18,920 --> 00:07:21,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a vicious cycle, right, because then you have 169 00:07:21,880 --> 00:07:24,360 Speaker 2: to cover it up and then that promotes it more. 170 00:07:24,440 --> 00:07:27,240 Speaker 2: But like, what are you gonna do? It's just the 171 00:07:27,280 --> 00:07:30,040 Speaker 2: way the world runs. It's very hard for them to 172 00:07:30,080 --> 00:07:32,600 Speaker 2: go bare. It's like going into rehab and like cold turkey. 173 00:07:32,640 --> 00:07:35,040 Speaker 2: You just cutting yourself off or something. It's really hard 174 00:07:35,040 --> 00:07:36,600 Speaker 2: to do that. This is a protection, This is an 175 00:07:36,680 --> 00:07:38,960 Speaker 2: armor that a lot of us wear. Right. Makeup is 176 00:07:39,040 --> 00:07:42,200 Speaker 2: protection and makes us feel better, makes us look better 177 00:07:42,480 --> 00:07:45,960 Speaker 2: to others, and so it has negative effects certainly if 178 00:07:46,000 --> 00:07:47,000 Speaker 2: you overdo it. 179 00:07:47,120 --> 00:07:50,160 Speaker 1: So interesting, I just think that I've a guy that 180 00:07:50,200 --> 00:07:52,200 Speaker 1: I dated said to me, you are the least vain 181 00:07:52,240 --> 00:07:54,600 Speaker 1: person I have ever met in my life, And I 182 00:07:54,640 --> 00:07:56,560 Speaker 1: think it might just be that, Like I have so 183 00:07:56,600 --> 00:07:59,720 Speaker 1: many other issues like organizational and a rose season whatever. 184 00:07:59,760 --> 00:08:02,240 Speaker 2: But I think it's easy for you too. You look beautiful, 185 00:08:02,320 --> 00:08:04,280 Speaker 2: You're thin, you know what I mean. I mean, that's 186 00:08:04,280 --> 00:08:06,880 Speaker 2: something you're blessed with no But I have dark circles 187 00:08:06,880 --> 00:08:08,560 Speaker 2: and all the things. I just have a thing where 188 00:08:08,560 --> 00:08:09,480 Speaker 2: I want to feel like. 189 00:08:09,560 --> 00:08:12,880 Speaker 1: It's I want to feel healthy more than I want 190 00:08:12,880 --> 00:08:13,400 Speaker 1: to look good. 191 00:08:13,680 --> 00:08:15,320 Speaker 3: That's just my thing, you know what I'm saying. I 192 00:08:15,400 --> 00:08:15,640 Speaker 3: got it. 193 00:08:15,680 --> 00:08:17,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, I had the extensions in and I for a 194 00:08:17,800 --> 00:08:19,400 Speaker 1: couple of months. I took them out. I was like, 195 00:08:19,640 --> 00:08:21,400 Speaker 1: I feel like I'm damaging my hair. 196 00:08:22,200 --> 00:08:24,760 Speaker 2: I think I've talked. I heard you talk about eyelash extensions. 197 00:08:24,840 --> 00:08:26,720 Speaker 2: I had them for a while and I hate them now. 198 00:08:26,720 --> 00:08:29,720 Speaker 2: I'll never go back to eyelash extensions that kind of thing. 199 00:08:29,960 --> 00:08:32,840 Speaker 1: My hair and eyelashes have grown like forty percent. They 200 00:08:32,840 --> 00:08:35,320 Speaker 1: are like thick anim it's wild. And I didn't even 201 00:08:35,360 --> 00:08:37,480 Speaker 1: do it for that long. But yeah, I think it's 202 00:08:37,520 --> 00:08:39,760 Speaker 1: just I guess you're right. It's about finding the balance 203 00:08:40,240 --> 00:08:57,400 Speaker 1: it is. So how do you monetize this business experience, 204 00:08:57,440 --> 00:08:59,160 Speaker 1: et cetera. Is there a product line? 205 00:08:59,360 --> 00:09:01,839 Speaker 2: Yes, I have my own product line. I have SMD Care, 206 00:09:01,880 --> 00:09:04,520 Speaker 2: which started as an acne treatment system. You know, because 207 00:09:04,559 --> 00:09:07,760 Speaker 2: obviously pimples and sense because all these people around the 208 00:09:07,760 --> 00:09:11,559 Speaker 2: world were looking for answers. So that is one thing 209 00:09:11,559 --> 00:09:14,560 Speaker 2: that we certainly started. But the monetization was really interesting 210 00:09:14,640 --> 00:09:16,640 Speaker 2: in you back then when it first started, like in 211 00:09:16,640 --> 00:09:20,360 Speaker 2: twenty seventeen or sixteen or so, because I was monetizing 212 00:09:20,400 --> 00:09:23,960 Speaker 2: my Blackhead extractions like on YouTube, and it was going like, 213 00:09:24,040 --> 00:09:25,760 Speaker 2: you know, what is it like a penny, like a 214 00:09:25,800 --> 00:09:28,640 Speaker 2: thousand views or whatnot, But we have like five point 215 00:09:28,720 --> 00:09:32,480 Speaker 2: three or so billion views. I mean, it's crazy how 216 00:09:32,520 --> 00:09:35,079 Speaker 2: many people watch these videos over and over again. 217 00:09:35,400 --> 00:09:38,520 Speaker 3: So you were able to just monetize the content itself. 218 00:09:38,400 --> 00:09:42,120 Speaker 2: Yes, but things changed a little bit because then now 219 00:09:42,320 --> 00:09:45,160 Speaker 2: a lot of the content is not what they deem 220 00:09:45,240 --> 00:09:48,439 Speaker 2: advertisable because it's shocking or gross. 221 00:09:48,080 --> 00:09:49,160 Speaker 3: To people, you know. 222 00:09:49,240 --> 00:09:51,319 Speaker 2: So there's been a little bit of a dilemma there, 223 00:09:51,360 --> 00:09:53,760 Speaker 2: which is actually things that I'd like to ask advice 224 00:09:53,800 --> 00:09:56,040 Speaker 2: from you about, you know. I mean, I think it's 225 00:09:56,080 --> 00:09:58,560 Speaker 2: so interesting how I was able to grow this and 226 00:09:58,600 --> 00:10:01,080 Speaker 2: then have a TV show from this, and a product 227 00:10:01,120 --> 00:10:03,240 Speaker 2: line and you know, a book and all this sort 228 00:10:03,240 --> 00:10:07,400 Speaker 2: of thing, which is really beyond anything I ever really imagined. 229 00:10:07,840 --> 00:10:11,600 Speaker 2: And it can be very complicated and difficult in what 230 00:10:11,760 --> 00:10:14,960 Speaker 2: I do because you don't really want to watch this stuff. 231 00:10:15,160 --> 00:10:17,560 Speaker 2: It makes you uncomfortable, it makes you and so people 232 00:10:17,760 --> 00:10:20,640 Speaker 2: demit shocking or gross, and so sometimes you can't really 233 00:10:20,640 --> 00:10:21,760 Speaker 2: put the graphics stuff up. 234 00:10:22,080 --> 00:10:24,600 Speaker 1: Where's the greatest generator of income and all your business? 235 00:10:24,640 --> 00:10:26,320 Speaker 1: Where's your money coming from the most? 236 00:10:26,679 --> 00:10:27,120 Speaker 3: Probably? 237 00:10:27,160 --> 00:10:29,160 Speaker 2: I mean, we've got the TV show, We've got my 238 00:10:29,200 --> 00:10:32,120 Speaker 2: skincare line. I mean, I think I've got multiple funnels 239 00:10:32,200 --> 00:10:34,440 Speaker 2: kind of coming in my work. But I work like 240 00:10:34,480 --> 00:10:37,600 Speaker 2: two days a week now, so I'm not working extensively 241 00:10:37,640 --> 00:10:41,240 Speaker 2: because the show gets in the way. What's interesting is 242 00:10:41,280 --> 00:10:43,440 Speaker 2: that this all happened but I had a day job. 243 00:10:44,400 --> 00:10:45,840 Speaker 3: This wasn't my whole thing. 244 00:10:46,440 --> 00:10:50,280 Speaker 2: So I also feel a little safety in having a 245 00:10:50,360 --> 00:10:53,719 Speaker 2: day job that I know I'm good at, I'm successful at, 246 00:10:53,800 --> 00:10:56,960 Speaker 2: and that I'm sort of in this world of a 247 00:10:56,960 --> 00:10:59,120 Speaker 2: smaller group of people that I have to compete against 248 00:10:59,120 --> 00:11:01,160 Speaker 2: to be, you know, a good dermatologists. 249 00:11:01,240 --> 00:11:01,400 Speaker 3: Right. 250 00:11:02,040 --> 00:11:04,079 Speaker 2: So I have this show that I love that I 251 00:11:04,120 --> 00:11:06,280 Speaker 2: think is really special. I don't know if you've ever 252 00:11:06,280 --> 00:11:07,920 Speaker 2: seen it, but it really has to do with the 253 00:11:07,960 --> 00:11:09,920 Speaker 2: stories behind the people that you're changing. 254 00:11:09,679 --> 00:11:11,080 Speaker 3: Which is such a lovely thing. 255 00:11:11,160 --> 00:11:13,680 Speaker 2: But of course we have to tackle some really big cases, 256 00:11:13,720 --> 00:11:16,000 Speaker 2: probably bigger than I ever imagine that i'd really be 257 00:11:16,040 --> 00:11:19,079 Speaker 2: doing in my life. You know, but I'm a dermatologic surgeon. 258 00:11:19,080 --> 00:11:20,880 Speaker 2: I would say more so than other things. I'm sort 259 00:11:20,880 --> 00:11:23,120 Speaker 2: of cosmetic and surgical dermatology. 260 00:11:23,400 --> 00:11:25,280 Speaker 1: It's a little bit like Botched or the two guys 261 00:11:25,280 --> 00:11:27,200 Speaker 1: on Eve that had the plastic surgery show like. 262 00:11:27,200 --> 00:11:29,800 Speaker 3: It is, but more like real people in the world. 263 00:11:29,960 --> 00:11:32,080 Speaker 2: You know, Yes, they can't leave their house because they 264 00:11:32,120 --> 00:11:34,680 Speaker 2: have like, oh wow, growth on their nose that's like 265 00:11:34,720 --> 00:11:35,720 Speaker 2: the size of a grapefruit. 266 00:11:35,800 --> 00:11:36,040 Speaker 3: Little. 267 00:11:37,240 --> 00:11:40,959 Speaker 2: Yeah, there's some crazy, crazy surgeries that we've dealt with. 268 00:11:41,640 --> 00:11:44,640 Speaker 2: So it's been a weird journey, Like it's weird to 269 00:11:44,679 --> 00:11:47,640 Speaker 2: be in this world. I live in LA now and 270 00:11:47,679 --> 00:11:49,959 Speaker 2: I've grown up in this area outside of La. 271 00:11:50,080 --> 00:11:51,680 Speaker 3: Oh, your practice is in LA. 272 00:11:52,080 --> 00:11:54,840 Speaker 2: It's in the Inland Empire. It's between La and Palm Springs, 273 00:11:54,960 --> 00:11:57,840 Speaker 2: but it's in Calful, Okay, got an upland Clairemont area. 274 00:11:58,200 --> 00:12:00,960 Speaker 2: But now I live in LA and I think it's 275 00:12:01,040 --> 00:12:03,320 Speaker 2: just weird to be in that industry too, because as 276 00:12:03,360 --> 00:12:05,400 Speaker 2: a dermatologist, you go through your life and that's what 277 00:12:05,480 --> 00:12:07,719 Speaker 2: you do. You don't really touch these other areas of 278 00:12:07,760 --> 00:12:10,280 Speaker 2: the world, and so it's very weird to be, you know, 279 00:12:10,480 --> 00:12:13,720 Speaker 2: in this industry where you're a doctor, but you're also 280 00:12:13,720 --> 00:12:16,360 Speaker 2: sort of an entertainer or you know, or a celebrity. 281 00:12:16,640 --> 00:12:18,720 Speaker 1: So you're trying to find because it's also this show 282 00:12:18,800 --> 00:12:20,640 Speaker 1: is not mainstream and the content is often not in 283 00:12:20,640 --> 00:12:23,240 Speaker 1: the mainstream. You're trying to find the thing that's gonna 284 00:12:23,360 --> 00:12:26,439 Speaker 1: no pun intended pop off and you can monetize. 285 00:12:26,640 --> 00:12:27,440 Speaker 3: Is that what you're saying. 286 00:12:27,800 --> 00:12:29,920 Speaker 2: I think we found something, you know, I think we 287 00:12:30,000 --> 00:12:30,800 Speaker 2: have something really great. 288 00:12:30,800 --> 00:12:32,000 Speaker 3: I'm very proud of what we do. 289 00:12:32,120 --> 00:12:35,560 Speaker 2: It's just that it's an interesting position that I found 290 00:12:35,600 --> 00:12:36,200 Speaker 2: myself in. 291 00:12:36,320 --> 00:12:37,440 Speaker 3: And I but what do you needed? 292 00:12:37,600 --> 00:12:39,600 Speaker 1: You saying you could get advice from me about what, 293 00:12:39,640 --> 00:12:40,800 Speaker 1: like what is the problem to solve? 294 00:12:40,880 --> 00:12:43,440 Speaker 2: I just think that you have great natural sort of 295 00:12:43,480 --> 00:12:45,559 Speaker 2: skills and thinking in this way. And yeah, I think 296 00:12:45,720 --> 00:12:47,760 Speaker 2: people say it all the time. We are not business 297 00:12:47,840 --> 00:12:50,640 Speaker 2: people as physicians. That's not really what we're trained to 298 00:12:50,760 --> 00:12:53,600 Speaker 2: think or do. And so it's been very interesting and 299 00:12:53,640 --> 00:12:55,680 Speaker 2: fun to do that. And I think that I do 300 00:12:55,760 --> 00:12:58,640 Speaker 2: have an entrepreneurial side. But it's just like you're always 301 00:12:58,679 --> 00:13:01,719 Speaker 2: trying to solve something like you're switching. You're like Muhammad Ali, right, 302 00:13:01,720 --> 00:13:03,480 Speaker 2: I feel like we kind of go with the punches 303 00:13:03,520 --> 00:13:05,760 Speaker 2: and we sort of move forward as best we can, 304 00:13:05,800 --> 00:13:07,640 Speaker 2: and we sort of dog you know, I'm trying to 305 00:13:07,640 --> 00:13:08,440 Speaker 2: figure out myself. 306 00:13:08,480 --> 00:13:10,120 Speaker 3: You were reinventing yourself a lot. 307 00:13:10,640 --> 00:13:12,760 Speaker 1: I'm not doing it on purpose though, that's the thing. 308 00:13:12,800 --> 00:13:15,599 Speaker 1: I'm not thinking about it at all. This is all accidental. 309 00:13:16,360 --> 00:13:19,439 Speaker 1: My philosophy is when the tables go cold, I'm walking 310 00:13:19,440 --> 00:13:22,320 Speaker 1: out like this is ridiculous, Like the whole thing is ridiculous. 311 00:13:22,360 --> 00:13:24,080 Speaker 3: So that's how everything has been. 312 00:13:24,320 --> 00:13:26,520 Speaker 1: It's for me, I've just been I'm a very serious 313 00:13:26,559 --> 00:13:28,720 Speaker 1: person in the sense that I can't help but have 314 00:13:28,760 --> 00:13:31,080 Speaker 1: ten thousand ideas and execute them and market them. And 315 00:13:31,280 --> 00:13:33,400 Speaker 1: there's no one that gets things done like I do, 316 00:13:33,600 --> 00:13:39,320 Speaker 1: or delegates like I do. But it's been all totally accidental. 317 00:13:40,200 --> 00:13:42,720 Speaker 1: It's just almost like a fun garage band for me. 318 00:13:42,880 --> 00:13:43,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, like it's weird. 319 00:13:43,840 --> 00:13:45,840 Speaker 1: That's why people ask me to do a skincare line 320 00:13:46,000 --> 00:13:47,320 Speaker 1: all the time, a makeup line. 321 00:13:47,600 --> 00:13:49,400 Speaker 3: I don't want to do it. Yeah, I don't want 322 00:13:49,400 --> 00:13:49,720 Speaker 3: to do it. 323 00:13:49,760 --> 00:13:51,720 Speaker 1: I don't do anything I don't want to do, Like 324 00:13:51,760 --> 00:13:53,200 Speaker 1: I don't go anywhere I don't want to go. I 325 00:13:53,200 --> 00:13:55,000 Speaker 1: don't do anything I don't want to do. But it 326 00:13:55,120 --> 00:13:58,360 Speaker 1: ends up working because that people ended up really trusting me, right, 327 00:13:58,600 --> 00:14:01,240 Speaker 1: So I would say you have it's very very clear 328 00:14:02,080 --> 00:14:03,840 Speaker 1: because you keep saying this is crazy, and this is 329 00:14:03,840 --> 00:14:06,400 Speaker 1: what my first piece of advice to you would be 330 00:14:06,559 --> 00:14:09,560 Speaker 1: very clear on what you want. If there's something that 331 00:14:09,600 --> 00:14:11,320 Speaker 1: you do want it, like I want to make a 332 00:14:11,320 --> 00:14:13,839 Speaker 1: lot of money. In addition to you're helping people. You 333 00:14:13,840 --> 00:14:16,520 Speaker 1: don't have to say only that there's nothing wrong. Whatever 334 00:14:16,559 --> 00:14:20,200 Speaker 1: your thing is. I don't do anything now that's not charity. 335 00:14:20,880 --> 00:14:22,520 Speaker 1: I have a marketing paid because I don't want to 336 00:14:22,520 --> 00:14:24,440 Speaker 1: do it, So you can't pay like I make more 337 00:14:24,480 --> 00:14:26,280 Speaker 1: than anyone to do any of the things that I 338 00:14:26,320 --> 00:14:27,560 Speaker 1: do because I don't give a shit if I do 339 00:14:27,560 --> 00:14:30,200 Speaker 1: them or not, because no one moves product like I do, 340 00:14:30,360 --> 00:14:33,720 Speaker 1: not a person because I don't care. I care about 341 00:14:33,760 --> 00:14:35,720 Speaker 1: what I'm talking about, but I'm saying you have to 342 00:14:35,760 --> 00:14:40,240 Speaker 1: be very truthful because the universe hears everything, and be 343 00:14:40,400 --> 00:14:43,360 Speaker 1: very honest about what you want, Like you want to 344 00:14:43,360 --> 00:14:45,280 Speaker 1: build a global brand, you want to make a billion dollars, 345 00:14:45,320 --> 00:14:47,840 Speaker 1: you want to just enjoy your life and have a 346 00:14:47,840 --> 00:14:49,560 Speaker 1: balance but still make a good living, Like you have 347 00:14:49,640 --> 00:14:51,120 Speaker 1: to be very clear on who you want to be 348 00:14:51,160 --> 00:14:51,800 Speaker 1: and what you want to do. 349 00:14:52,200 --> 00:14:55,120 Speaker 2: That's interesting because I mean, you feel like you have 350 00:14:55,200 --> 00:14:56,760 Speaker 2: to have a goal in place. You really have to 351 00:14:56,800 --> 00:14:58,040 Speaker 2: have a clear cut goal. 352 00:14:58,400 --> 00:15:00,360 Speaker 1: It can change, and it can be concept well, it 353 00:15:00,360 --> 00:15:02,640 Speaker 1: doesn't have to be I want to have a skincare line. 354 00:15:02,720 --> 00:15:05,040 Speaker 1: It can change, and it can be like playing chess 355 00:15:05,040 --> 00:15:08,280 Speaker 1: and checkers at the exact same time. Like you somehow 356 00:15:08,320 --> 00:15:10,960 Speaker 1: have these like visions and these fantasies about that board, 357 00:15:11,400 --> 00:15:14,680 Speaker 1: but then you're also playing checkers in this moment, and 358 00:15:14,720 --> 00:15:17,400 Speaker 1: they have to like dance with each other and change. 359 00:15:17,920 --> 00:15:20,360 Speaker 3: Like I said, I literally sat down. I was talking 360 00:15:20,400 --> 00:15:20,840 Speaker 3: about makeup. 361 00:15:20,840 --> 00:15:22,400 Speaker 1: I had no makeup, and I'd write a cover girl 362 00:15:22,440 --> 00:15:25,000 Speaker 1: thing a foundation, and was like, wait, I didn't know 363 00:15:25,040 --> 00:15:27,080 Speaker 1: people did videos on YouTube. I didn't know there were 364 00:15:27,120 --> 00:15:29,520 Speaker 1: makeup people doing videos. I didn't know people were getting snatched. 365 00:15:29,520 --> 00:15:31,920 Speaker 1: I didn't know there was a filter. I didn't know anything. 366 00:15:32,480 --> 00:15:36,280 Speaker 1: Once it started to pop off, Okay, I'm a person 367 00:15:36,280 --> 00:15:38,200 Speaker 1: who's teed up. There are too many fish right here 368 00:15:38,400 --> 00:15:41,240 Speaker 1: for me to not take the net. But now that 369 00:15:41,360 --> 00:15:43,760 Speaker 1: I have a teamworking for me and it's happening, I 370 00:15:43,800 --> 00:15:47,320 Speaker 1: am navigating and making decisions about what it all means. 371 00:15:47,360 --> 00:15:49,400 Speaker 1: It doesn't mean, oh I want to have a TV show. 372 00:15:49,440 --> 00:15:50,760 Speaker 3: I want to have that. I want to have that. 373 00:15:50,760 --> 00:15:54,280 Speaker 1: That's not an overall strategy, that's a thing, but my 374 00:15:54,640 --> 00:15:57,880 Speaker 1: overall concept. I understand exactly what it is and what 375 00:15:57,920 --> 00:16:00,000 Speaker 1: it means at all times. And you have to find 376 00:16:00,200 --> 00:16:02,480 Speaker 1: a way to align the skincare, which you do every day. 377 00:16:03,280 --> 00:16:05,200 Speaker 1: Even the conversation about wanting to look good and being 378 00:16:05,200 --> 00:16:07,520 Speaker 1: on a makeup like, that's a real conversation that like, 379 00:16:07,720 --> 00:16:09,520 Speaker 1: I'm a dermatologist, but I want to look good, And 380 00:16:09,520 --> 00:16:11,160 Speaker 1: it's a conflict for me because I know this, but 381 00:16:11,200 --> 00:16:11,600 Speaker 1: I do that. 382 00:16:11,640 --> 00:16:14,840 Speaker 3: So I decided this, like be open and honest. 383 00:16:14,640 --> 00:16:18,400 Speaker 1: In the moment to what's going on and craft whatever 384 00:16:18,480 --> 00:16:21,600 Speaker 1: the the is around it, like it all fits. But 385 00:16:21,640 --> 00:16:23,680 Speaker 1: you have to make all the puzzle pieces fit, from 386 00:16:23,720 --> 00:16:26,920 Speaker 1: the alien thing on someone's nose to this to the 387 00:16:27,040 --> 00:16:30,200 Speaker 1: product line. They all have to speak one very clear, 388 00:16:30,320 --> 00:16:31,320 Speaker 1: fluent language. 389 00:16:31,840 --> 00:16:34,480 Speaker 2: One thing that I think is interesting is there is 390 00:16:34,520 --> 00:16:36,680 Speaker 2: a little bit of a conflict. I don't know if 391 00:16:36,680 --> 00:16:39,200 Speaker 2: this will make sense to you, but that there's a 392 00:16:39,200 --> 00:16:44,160 Speaker 2: little conflict because I am a professional. I am a dermatologist, 393 00:16:44,560 --> 00:16:46,400 Speaker 2: so I feel like I hear it. 394 00:16:46,960 --> 00:16:48,160 Speaker 3: But that's going to be the problem. 395 00:16:48,200 --> 00:16:49,760 Speaker 1: This is literally has nothing to do with you, But 396 00:16:49,760 --> 00:16:51,760 Speaker 1: it's what I said is wrong with Megan Markle be 397 00:16:52,080 --> 00:16:54,480 Speaker 1: a famous brand, reality store, or be a royal. 398 00:16:54,520 --> 00:16:56,920 Speaker 3: We cannot be in the riptide. We decide who we are. 399 00:16:56,920 --> 00:16:59,360 Speaker 3: We led and you left. You can't hang. 400 00:16:59,240 --> 00:17:02,480 Speaker 1: Onto a title, bake jam and then also monetize what 401 00:17:02,520 --> 00:17:04,080 Speaker 1: you're wearing with an affiliate link. 402 00:17:04,520 --> 00:17:05,080 Speaker 3: Who are you? 403 00:17:05,119 --> 00:17:06,600 Speaker 1: What do you want to be when you grow up? 404 00:17:06,640 --> 00:17:09,400 Speaker 1: Decide now and be that. If you feel like there's 405 00:17:09,440 --> 00:17:11,520 Speaker 1: some version of it that lacks integrity to what you 406 00:17:11,560 --> 00:17:15,159 Speaker 1: originally do, talk about it, include it, include it in 407 00:17:15,200 --> 00:17:17,679 Speaker 1: the whole thing. But as long as it's truthful, threat it, 408 00:17:17,720 --> 00:17:19,919 Speaker 1: you're allowed to be two things at once. Yes, I 409 00:17:20,000 --> 00:17:23,040 Speaker 1: make a lot more money now than when I was 410 00:17:23,080 --> 00:17:25,360 Speaker 1: on reality TV in a box of what I'm supposed 411 00:17:25,400 --> 00:17:27,720 Speaker 1: to be, and people now think I'm just some crazy 412 00:17:27,760 --> 00:17:30,000 Speaker 1: ant talking to a chicken salad sitting in an attic. 413 00:17:30,240 --> 00:17:31,959 Speaker 1: I don't give a shit what they think. I know 414 00:17:32,560 --> 00:17:33,879 Speaker 1: what it is and what I'm doing, and what I 415 00:17:33,920 --> 00:17:35,800 Speaker 1: mean to women and what I mean to young women, 416 00:17:36,400 --> 00:17:37,240 Speaker 1: just my personality. 417 00:17:37,320 --> 00:17:39,359 Speaker 3: So if I say it, people know it's true. 418 00:17:39,400 --> 00:17:41,720 Speaker 1: So whatever it is, just be honest in the moment 419 00:17:41,760 --> 00:17:44,080 Speaker 1: about what it is and like, bring them with you 420 00:17:44,200 --> 00:17:46,080 Speaker 1: on the that talk about this conflict. 421 00:17:46,320 --> 00:17:47,320 Speaker 3: I feel like a sellout. 422 00:17:47,560 --> 00:17:49,360 Speaker 1: I love doing this whatever, but I feel like there's 423 00:17:49,359 --> 00:17:51,960 Speaker 1: something that so many women are going to have the same. 424 00:17:52,000 --> 00:17:53,800 Speaker 3: YEA in their field. They're going to relate to that 425 00:17:53,840 --> 00:17:54,280 Speaker 3: another way. 426 00:17:54,320 --> 00:17:54,560 Speaker 2: I know. 427 00:17:54,640 --> 00:17:56,280 Speaker 1: I'm a nurse and I feel like it's weird that 428 00:17:56,320 --> 00:17:58,239 Speaker 1: I want to be whatever. I want to be at 429 00:17:58,280 --> 00:17:59,880 Speaker 1: stripper about the airport, that's weird. 430 00:18:00,200 --> 00:18:02,200 Speaker 3: You could do both. You can actually be a nurse 431 00:18:02,240 --> 00:18:04,520 Speaker 3: and dance by the airport if you want to. I can't. 432 00:18:04,600 --> 00:18:07,480 Speaker 3: You can't. I can't do that. No, I know what's saying. 433 00:18:07,720 --> 00:18:09,919 Speaker 1: One can you feel that you can't but you have 434 00:18:10,000 --> 00:18:11,080 Speaker 1: to thread it together whatever? 435 00:18:11,240 --> 00:18:13,480 Speaker 2: Well, yeah, but do you want to see a dermatologist 436 00:18:13,480 --> 00:18:15,919 Speaker 2: who is a stripper? Would you be like asol, I 437 00:18:15,920 --> 00:18:18,480 Speaker 2: couldn't care less. You don't think that would get in. 438 00:18:18,880 --> 00:18:21,800 Speaker 2: That would decrease your confidence in them as a surgeon. 439 00:18:22,440 --> 00:18:24,639 Speaker 3: It depends how it lands. It's if they can land it. 440 00:18:25,200 --> 00:18:29,520 Speaker 1: But yeah, in twenty twenty five, I absolutely could go 441 00:18:29,560 --> 00:18:31,560 Speaker 1: to a doctor that danced at night. As long as 442 00:18:31,560 --> 00:18:33,640 Speaker 1: they were communicating it. It makes me pass I don't 443 00:18:33,640 --> 00:18:35,960 Speaker 1: care what anyone does, I would create the best plastic 444 00:18:36,000 --> 00:18:39,040 Speaker 1: surgeons in New York have had major problems, like people 445 00:18:39,080 --> 00:18:41,159 Speaker 1: have lives. I'm just saying this is went off on 446 00:18:41,200 --> 00:18:45,400 Speaker 1: a tangent. You are allowed to be a successful dermatologist, 447 00:18:45,480 --> 00:18:48,760 Speaker 1: right a human a person and do stand up comedy 448 00:18:49,160 --> 00:18:50,560 Speaker 1: and be successful at both. 449 00:19:03,440 --> 00:19:05,120 Speaker 3: I always bring up Stacy's Peeda chips. 450 00:19:05,119 --> 00:19:06,720 Speaker 1: I wonder if she knows that I brought up twenty 451 00:19:06,720 --> 00:19:09,679 Speaker 1: five times since she's been on the podcast minimum. But 452 00:19:09,920 --> 00:19:12,680 Speaker 1: years ago, Stacey from Stacy's Peter Chips. She sold it 453 00:19:12,720 --> 00:19:16,240 Speaker 1: for two hundred fifty million dollars. She was a sandwich cart. 454 00:19:16,480 --> 00:19:18,719 Speaker 1: It was freezing every day in Chicago. The only thing 455 00:19:18,720 --> 00:19:21,399 Speaker 1: they couldn't run out of is bread. And when they 456 00:19:21,480 --> 00:19:23,560 Speaker 1: ran out of the other stuff, her brother had a 457 00:19:23,600 --> 00:19:25,760 Speaker 1: recipe and they made these Peeda chips and that. 458 00:19:25,880 --> 00:19:26,360 Speaker 3: Was the thing. 459 00:19:27,280 --> 00:19:29,680 Speaker 1: Wasn't the sandwiches. She's not Stacy sandwiches for two hundred 460 00:19:29,680 --> 00:19:32,760 Speaker 1: fifty million. So you gotta be allowed to, like, look 461 00:19:32,800 --> 00:19:36,000 Speaker 1: where the fish are, yeah, and go there and keep 462 00:19:36,040 --> 00:19:37,920 Speaker 1: your base. You don't need to let go of your practice, 463 00:19:37,920 --> 00:19:39,439 Speaker 1: and then it might be weird. 464 00:19:39,800 --> 00:19:41,719 Speaker 3: But I think that's what happened with the pimple popping. 465 00:19:41,840 --> 00:19:43,119 Speaker 3: That's exactly what happened. 466 00:19:43,119 --> 00:19:45,200 Speaker 2: It's like, what is this random thing, and let's grow 467 00:19:45,200 --> 00:19:46,720 Speaker 2: this into something exactly. 468 00:19:46,800 --> 00:19:49,520 Speaker 1: But you need the base for the credibility in that space. 469 00:19:49,600 --> 00:19:51,080 Speaker 1: That's why you're staying with it, and so are you're 470 00:19:51,119 --> 00:19:52,240 Speaker 1: doing it two days a week. 471 00:19:52,480 --> 00:19:53,159 Speaker 3: I look at. 472 00:19:53,040 --> 00:19:55,240 Speaker 1: Doctors who are very good and who are in there 473 00:19:55,280 --> 00:19:59,240 Speaker 1: five days a week, all day thinking there's a cap 474 00:19:59,320 --> 00:20:01,240 Speaker 1: on it. And if you want to make money, do it. 475 00:20:01,400 --> 00:20:02,960 Speaker 1: No matter what you do the math twenty ways, hire 476 00:20:03,000 --> 00:20:04,680 Speaker 1: twenty doctors under you. If you have to be there's 477 00:20:04,680 --> 00:20:06,600 Speaker 1: still a cap. So you don't want there to be 478 00:20:06,640 --> 00:20:09,040 Speaker 1: a cap you want to do other things, Yes, I 479 00:20:09,080 --> 00:20:09,520 Speaker 1: would say. 480 00:20:09,520 --> 00:20:10,720 Speaker 3: The only thing I'm getting. 481 00:20:10,440 --> 00:20:13,080 Speaker 1: Is the trepidation and the hesitation and you not second 482 00:20:13,119 --> 00:20:15,520 Speaker 1: guessing yourself, you knowing exactly what it is, but feeling 483 00:20:15,560 --> 00:20:17,760 Speaker 1: like you have to overcompensate and explain it. 484 00:20:17,760 --> 00:20:19,320 Speaker 3: And I think that's what you have to just like. 485 00:20:19,440 --> 00:20:22,240 Speaker 1: Let go of Yeah, this is what it is, and 486 00:20:22,280 --> 00:20:24,080 Speaker 1: I'm on a journey and I'm going to put it 487 00:20:24,119 --> 00:20:25,520 Speaker 1: all together and when it doesn't fit, I'm going to 488 00:20:25,560 --> 00:20:27,200 Speaker 1: tell you it doesn't fit, and then I'll make something 489 00:20:27,240 --> 00:20:27,600 Speaker 1: else fit. 490 00:20:28,040 --> 00:20:30,359 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I feel like your adventure is continuing 491 00:20:30,440 --> 00:20:33,320 Speaker 2: and you're just finding yourself in new places, in new ways, 492 00:20:33,359 --> 00:20:34,959 Speaker 2: and like you know, and you're taking us all on 493 00:20:34,960 --> 00:20:35,359 Speaker 2: that trip. 494 00:20:35,440 --> 00:20:37,919 Speaker 1: Really, yeah, you're right, It's funny. I talk to my 495 00:20:37,960 --> 00:20:39,199 Speaker 1: therapist today. I don't know how what do you mind 496 00:20:39,200 --> 00:20:40,120 Speaker 1: if I ask au old you are? 497 00:20:40,280 --> 00:20:42,720 Speaker 3: I am fifty four? Oh, my same age. Oh when's 498 00:20:42,720 --> 00:20:45,520 Speaker 3: your birthday? December December twenty oh, so we're very clo 499 00:20:45,560 --> 00:20:46,399 Speaker 3: I'm November fourth. 500 00:20:46,600 --> 00:20:50,840 Speaker 1: So my therapist was saying today, it's not exactly related, 501 00:20:50,840 --> 00:20:52,320 Speaker 1: but you'll find something in this because you're the same 502 00:20:52,320 --> 00:20:54,600 Speaker 1: age that there's a lot different with me. And it's 503 00:20:54,720 --> 00:20:57,359 Speaker 1: all on the inside, it's not on the outside. And 504 00:20:57,400 --> 00:20:59,080 Speaker 1: this is getting caught up in a superficial thing that 505 00:20:59,080 --> 00:21:02,439 Speaker 1: doesn't matter. But whether it's selling sixty bags, it's not 506 00:21:02,520 --> 00:21:05,440 Speaker 1: about the bags, it's about why I would have them, 507 00:21:05,440 --> 00:21:06,440 Speaker 1: and it's what it represents. 508 00:21:06,480 --> 00:21:09,000 Speaker 3: I'm super confident inside. 509 00:21:09,200 --> 00:21:13,240 Speaker 1: I'm very secure right now inside, and I feel like 510 00:21:13,880 --> 00:21:16,879 Speaker 1: it's coming through and it's not an intention even in 511 00:21:16,920 --> 00:21:19,520 Speaker 1: a weird way of like dating, where like for the 512 00:21:19,600 --> 00:21:22,720 Speaker 1: first time in my adult life of being single. 513 00:21:22,760 --> 00:21:23,280 Speaker 3: I forget. 514 00:21:23,400 --> 00:21:25,080 Speaker 1: It's like people who forget to eat, and you're like, 515 00:21:25,080 --> 00:21:27,040 Speaker 1: how do you forget to eat? If I'm in something 516 00:21:27,080 --> 00:21:28,919 Speaker 1: with someone or dating someone, or someone who's in the 517 00:21:28,920 --> 00:21:30,800 Speaker 1: stable who's texting me, and like this could be a 518 00:21:30,840 --> 00:21:34,040 Speaker 1: major really rich, good looking, great and I like them 519 00:21:34,359 --> 00:21:36,040 Speaker 1: and I'm present when i'm there if I go at them, 520 00:21:36,040 --> 00:21:38,080 Speaker 1: but if I don't have it, I don't care. And 521 00:21:38,160 --> 00:21:40,880 Speaker 1: if they don't text, then goodbye. And I've never been 522 00:21:40,960 --> 00:21:42,720 Speaker 1: like that. I've been more girly where it's like he 523 00:21:42,760 --> 00:21:45,840 Speaker 1: didn't calling my friends telling him every stupid detail all 524 00:21:45,960 --> 00:21:46,360 Speaker 1: day long. 525 00:21:46,520 --> 00:21:48,520 Speaker 2: So you like this new version of you or this 526 00:21:48,560 --> 00:21:50,439 Speaker 2: better version of you, that's what you're saying. 527 00:21:50,760 --> 00:21:53,840 Speaker 1: Yes, And I think that a lot of these years 528 00:21:53,880 --> 00:21:57,760 Speaker 1: that were probably more prime like dating and evolving, were 529 00:21:57,760 --> 00:22:00,359 Speaker 1: spent being a little bit drowning in this house. And 530 00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:02,679 Speaker 1: I'm going to put the silver lining on the fact 531 00:22:02,760 --> 00:22:05,600 Speaker 1: that I think it made me reflect a lot. I 532 00:22:05,600 --> 00:22:07,800 Speaker 1: think I've been alone a lot, and I'm alone or anyway, 533 00:22:07,800 --> 00:22:10,800 Speaker 1: but I've been alone more than normal and I've done 534 00:22:10,840 --> 00:22:12,640 Speaker 1: a lot of reflecting. So I think it ended up 535 00:22:12,720 --> 00:22:15,399 Speaker 1: coming out to what this result is now in this 536 00:22:15,560 --> 00:22:16,320 Speaker 1: like vortex of. 537 00:22:16,359 --> 00:22:18,639 Speaker 3: Moving, Well, I'm in a different stage. 538 00:22:18,680 --> 00:22:21,439 Speaker 2: I'm in a new stage in my life, and the 539 00:22:21,520 --> 00:22:23,439 Speaker 2: show reflects that a little bit, that I'm an empty 540 00:22:23,480 --> 00:22:25,560 Speaker 2: nester now. My kids both went to school in the 541 00:22:25,560 --> 00:22:29,120 Speaker 2: East Coast, so I'm with my husband now, and I mean, 542 00:22:29,160 --> 00:22:31,240 Speaker 2: which is great, but also like you're hanging out with 543 00:22:31,280 --> 00:22:32,800 Speaker 2: them all the time, you know, we moved to a 544 00:22:32,840 --> 00:22:35,680 Speaker 2: new area. I have great girlfriends, but they're not living 545 00:22:35,720 --> 00:22:39,159 Speaker 2: in this area. So it's actually a weird transition with me, 546 00:22:39,400 --> 00:22:41,560 Speaker 2: like where I think I'm like you too, Like I 547 00:22:41,680 --> 00:22:42,520 Speaker 2: have to be busy. 548 00:22:42,760 --> 00:22:44,679 Speaker 3: I don't want to be. It just comes to me. 549 00:22:45,160 --> 00:22:47,600 Speaker 2: I say yes to pretty much everything. I mean, I 550 00:22:47,640 --> 00:22:50,560 Speaker 2: think I'm a yes person. I'm a people pleaser, but 551 00:22:50,640 --> 00:22:52,840 Speaker 2: I also like what I do. I like to stay 552 00:22:52,920 --> 00:22:54,760 Speaker 2: very busy, and so it's actually really hard for me 553 00:22:54,880 --> 00:22:57,120 Speaker 2: sometimes because I'll have a day off and then I'll 554 00:22:57,119 --> 00:22:59,159 Speaker 2: have sort of a free plan because I'm used to 555 00:22:59,200 --> 00:23:01,800 Speaker 2: go and work right patients and doing things, so like 556 00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:04,280 Speaker 2: it gets a little bit like, oh my gosh, what 557 00:23:04,400 --> 00:23:05,719 Speaker 2: am I doing with my life? 558 00:23:06,040 --> 00:23:08,879 Speaker 3: But I'm busy. But I'm also I understand. 559 00:23:09,160 --> 00:23:12,320 Speaker 1: I'm like, ah, okay, so it's different my therapist today, 560 00:23:12,600 --> 00:23:14,680 Speaker 1: but no, I like this, but it's different because I 561 00:23:14,760 --> 00:23:17,600 Speaker 1: don't want anything on my calendar, and my entire life 562 00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:19,760 Speaker 1: is about the opposite. I'm not a people person, and 563 00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:23,520 Speaker 1: it's about pushing it off. But because I have endless ideas, 564 00:23:23,600 --> 00:23:26,000 Speaker 1: as the CMO of being Global once said, You're an 565 00:23:26,040 --> 00:23:29,600 Speaker 1: idea hamster, it seeps in. I don't want it. It's 566 00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:32,680 Speaker 1: like an addiction to me. It's different. It's like fuck 567 00:23:32,960 --> 00:23:34,840 Speaker 1: for me. I don't want it, and I don't want 568 00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:36,600 Speaker 1: to be busy, and I want to be like walking 569 00:23:36,640 --> 00:23:38,359 Speaker 1: on the beach and wandering, and I want the data 570 00:23:38,480 --> 00:23:41,280 Speaker 1: just dissolve into nothing. That's literally an analogy to my 571 00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:43,040 Speaker 1: entire career right now. I didn't want any of this, 572 00:23:43,119 --> 00:23:45,159 Speaker 1: but it's not like I don't like it. It's just 573 00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:47,359 Speaker 1: like I'm constantly saying no. Like the whole move is, 574 00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:49,879 Speaker 1: I'm never going back to this life in this house again, 575 00:23:50,040 --> 00:23:52,159 Speaker 1: where it was busy and the stuff and everyone's sending me. 576 00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:54,400 Speaker 1: You'd think I was a crazy person because I've told 577 00:23:54,400 --> 00:23:56,760 Speaker 1: my entire staff, do not accept one thing. 578 00:23:56,800 --> 00:23:57,320 Speaker 3: I don't want it. 579 00:23:57,320 --> 00:24:00,200 Speaker 1: I mean literally diamonds and cars and coffee. I'm like, 580 00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:03,000 Speaker 1: I don't want it because I want to preserve my peace. 581 00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:07,720 Speaker 1: But I relate to what you're saying, because even with 582 00:24:07,840 --> 00:24:09,840 Speaker 1: the depth of busy that I have and the depth 583 00:24:09,880 --> 00:24:12,480 Speaker 1: of demand, I still feel like, what is this all? 584 00:24:12,720 --> 00:24:13,600 Speaker 3: What does this even mean? 585 00:24:13,640 --> 00:24:15,760 Speaker 1: And even if you're busy, it's just not it's just 586 00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:18,720 Speaker 1: distracting from thinking about what this all is. And that's 587 00:24:18,760 --> 00:24:20,320 Speaker 1: the core thing that I actually got to call my 588 00:24:20,359 --> 00:24:22,800 Speaker 1: therapist back and talk about, because that's the core thing 589 00:24:22,840 --> 00:24:25,000 Speaker 1: you're going through. And I could say something stupid to you, 590 00:24:25,119 --> 00:24:27,080 Speaker 1: like you should take up meditating, and then you're like, 591 00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:29,320 Speaker 1: why don't you fuck off? Because you should take up 592 00:24:29,359 --> 00:24:32,240 Speaker 1: meditating just as much as I should. So the whole 593 00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:34,399 Speaker 1: thing I think is about us at this age because 594 00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:37,120 Speaker 1: you know we're older, you know the health is different, 595 00:24:37,240 --> 00:24:39,679 Speaker 1: you know the kids are older. You're thinking, you're not 596 00:24:39,800 --> 00:24:42,240 Speaker 1: like dreading death, but you know that you don't have 597 00:24:42,280 --> 00:24:43,520 Speaker 1: that many years to look this good. 598 00:24:43,560 --> 00:24:45,520 Speaker 3: It's kind of like, yes, you look good. 599 00:24:46,119 --> 00:24:48,240 Speaker 1: And you could just say, Okay, I'm gonna be retired 600 00:24:48,280 --> 00:24:50,400 Speaker 1: now because what's the point of all this because life 601 00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:51,760 Speaker 1: is short? But like them, what are you gonna do? 602 00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:53,920 Speaker 1: Sit and just look at a sunset for two hours? 603 00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:56,320 Speaker 1: So you're doing what I'm doing, which is. 604 00:24:56,320 --> 00:24:59,639 Speaker 2: Not the same way, but it's a stage you're just 605 00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:01,840 Speaker 2: trying to figure yourself out now in this new sort 606 00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:04,600 Speaker 2: of era of your life, and there's a lot of 607 00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:07,399 Speaker 2: other things that are going on. And it's such a 608 00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:09,760 Speaker 2: weird stage because when you have kids, it's sort of 609 00:25:09,800 --> 00:25:12,720 Speaker 2: like you're focused around them. Now you have this thing 610 00:25:12,760 --> 00:25:15,520 Speaker 2: where you're like, it's me and I got to figure 611 00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:18,120 Speaker 2: out what I need to do to be happy, because yeah, 612 00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:19,400 Speaker 2: you're thinking about the end of your life. 613 00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:20,680 Speaker 3: You still have many years. 614 00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:24,119 Speaker 1: I know, but you're understand how lucky you are, not 615 00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:27,600 Speaker 1: because of being privileged, you know, and having money, but 616 00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:30,960 Speaker 1: because you have a thing. And this is connected to 617 00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:33,760 Speaker 1: what I say on this podcast all the time. Many 618 00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:35,919 Speaker 1: women our age because I've met all the men that 619 00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:39,160 Speaker 1: are divorced from them, have lost custody of their children. 620 00:25:39,560 --> 00:25:42,560 Speaker 1: They're drinking, they're taking pills because they. 621 00:25:42,320 --> 00:25:43,200 Speaker 3: Are where we are. 622 00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:45,480 Speaker 1: They don't even have the career to cling on to 623 00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:48,320 Speaker 1: because you can't go shopping in a circular reference or 624 00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:51,240 Speaker 1: sewing costumes is over if your kids get older. So like, 625 00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:55,280 Speaker 1: pretend you don't have money, you don't sew costumes, you 626 00:25:55,359 --> 00:25:58,600 Speaker 1: haven't built a career. Your husband could have had his 627 00:25:58,680 --> 00:26:00,560 Speaker 1: own mid life crisis glove up. A lot of these 628 00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:03,360 Speaker 1: guys are working out in their garage and they've got 629 00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:05,360 Speaker 1: stuff going on, They're playing golf, and you feel like, wait, 630 00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:07,920 Speaker 1: I'm left behind. So we are very lucky to even 631 00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:10,159 Speaker 1: have a thing to cling to. And it's why I 632 00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:13,120 Speaker 1: try to tell young women, you cannot see the whole board. 633 00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:14,960 Speaker 1: Why don't you just get the bag and get married. 634 00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:16,560 Speaker 1: This is a long road and if you do not 635 00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:20,680 Speaker 1: cultivate something, you're going to feel like you don't have purpose. 636 00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:24,760 Speaker 1: Because I often feel like, and that's ridiculous. It's ridiculous 637 00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:26,200 Speaker 1: with the things that I'm going on that I would 638 00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:29,119 Speaker 1: think that. So that's what the podcast is for the 639 00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:31,439 Speaker 1: social media toom I always feel like just naturally have 640 00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:34,600 Speaker 1: an inclination to talk to younger women about the mistakes 641 00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:36,000 Speaker 1: that they could be making in a way that they 642 00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:39,520 Speaker 1: could actually digest. Because I didn't have any parenting. 643 00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:42,399 Speaker 2: I think that's really important because I don't think there 644 00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:45,040 Speaker 2: are many voices that are our age that are talking 645 00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:47,960 Speaker 2: to young people about that. I've never had a therapist, 646 00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:50,560 Speaker 2: and I probably should, but I did never have, and 647 00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:53,159 Speaker 2: I feel like a lot of times my patients have 648 00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:56,040 Speaker 2: sort of been little therapist here and there. It's like 649 00:26:56,440 --> 00:26:58,399 Speaker 2: literally you're talking to somebody at the grocery store and 650 00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:00,159 Speaker 2: the person turns around and you have to talk to them. 651 00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:02,000 Speaker 3: Yes, that's how I feel like when I. 652 00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:04,440 Speaker 2: Deal with my patients, because you've talked around them, people 653 00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:06,720 Speaker 2: that you may never talk to in your life, and 654 00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:08,000 Speaker 2: you learn so much from them. 655 00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:11,640 Speaker 3: That's great. That, by the way, that's like a book. Yeah. 656 00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:16,160 Speaker 1: But also you're like me and that you're a crowdsourcer 657 00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:18,480 Speaker 1: and then you make your own decision. You crowdsource, and 658 00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:21,080 Speaker 1: but you're on the stove making the recipe ultimately, Like 659 00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:23,960 Speaker 1: I'm a big crowdsourcer. I don't listen to what anyone 660 00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:26,239 Speaker 1: tells me to do, but I love to hear other 661 00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:29,560 Speaker 1: people's perspectives to mold my own way to do it. 662 00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:31,600 Speaker 2: But I think one of my problems is I have 663 00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:33,800 Speaker 2: a hard time delegating. I will end up trying to 664 00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:35,280 Speaker 2: do it mysef horrible. I do that too, But no, 665 00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:38,359 Speaker 2: that's horrible. It's very hard though. How do you do that? 666 00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:40,560 Speaker 2: How do you let it go to somebody else? 667 00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:43,920 Speaker 1: Because you have to find your one Huna Huma Abidin 668 00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:47,679 Speaker 1: or Cheryl Samberg to your right that I found that, 669 00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:51,680 Speaker 1: and you have to find that person who they understand 670 00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:54,200 Speaker 1: your body and they're in it with you the whole way. 671 00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:56,680 Speaker 2: I have that at work, like you know, as a physician, 672 00:27:56,800 --> 00:27:59,200 Speaker 2: as a dermatologist, but I don't think I have that 673 00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:01,760 Speaker 2: in this other sort of career that sort of happened. 674 00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:03,440 Speaker 1: You know, you have to find that. You have to 675 00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:05,800 Speaker 1: find that. It's not an assistant. You have to find that. 676 00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:07,320 Speaker 1: You have to find that, and you have to pay 677 00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:08,920 Speaker 1: them because it's gonna be expensive. It's gonna hurt, but 678 00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:11,600 Speaker 1: it's gonna make a lot of money. So it's funny 679 00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:13,600 Speaker 1: because Tanks came on and she said this was therapy. 680 00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:15,080 Speaker 1: So I guess I guess I should have been a 681 00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:17,480 Speaker 1: therapist in another life for myself too, though it was 682 00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:19,560 Speaker 1: therapy for me too, So fine, I have no idea. 683 00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:22,359 Speaker 2: Oh that's it is really like I would have never 684 00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:23,880 Speaker 2: thought that this conversation goes this way. 685 00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:25,920 Speaker 3: You know that is that is really cool? 686 00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:28,720 Speaker 1: Well, all right, so your show is Doctor Pimple Popper 687 00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:29,520 Speaker 1: breaking Out. 688 00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:33,640 Speaker 2: I feel like we covered like a lot. Yeah, it's 689 00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:36,800 Speaker 2: on Lifetime. I moved love Lifetime. I did a Lifetime show. 690 00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:40,200 Speaker 2: I Love Lifetime. Mondays at nine and we have. We 691 00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:43,360 Speaker 2: just made twenty episodes and so that's like three patients 692 00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:47,520 Speaker 2: per episode, and they're big cases wow craziness. And you know, 693 00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:49,800 Speaker 2: we'll see what happens. We'll see if there's another season 694 00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:52,320 Speaker 2: and there'll be another another twenty or so, we'll see 695 00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:55,200 Speaker 2: what happens there. But it's very exciting, really proud of it. 696 00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:58,040 Speaker 2: It really is an amazing show because it's the opposite 697 00:28:58,080 --> 00:28:58,960 Speaker 2: of other reality shows. 698 00:28:58,960 --> 00:28:59,760 Speaker 3: I say this all the time. 699 00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:03,800 Speaker 2: Reality shows like Real Housewives, they're dealing with people who 700 00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:05,720 Speaker 2: are normal who are trying. 701 00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:06,200 Speaker 3: To be crazy. 702 00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:10,320 Speaker 1: I mean, first of all, okay, maybe they're not always normal. 703 00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:13,400 Speaker 1: We can unpop that on a later episode. Yes, but 704 00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:16,160 Speaker 1: I think like for me, it's like the crazy. It 705 00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:18,640 Speaker 1: is sort of walking in and you're trying to make 706 00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:21,520 Speaker 1: them everything put back in place and be normal. 707 00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:24,240 Speaker 3: So it's like the opposite almost. Yeah, I understand that 708 00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:25,000 Speaker 3: the upside down. 709 00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:29,080 Speaker 1: Yes, it starts with the thing that's atypical and gets 710 00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:31,840 Speaker 1: to hopefully some version of normal and this other thing 711 00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:33,080 Speaker 1: like like it is. 712 00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:35,000 Speaker 3: Like a roller coaster and it like ratchets up. 713 00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:37,200 Speaker 2: I don't think I could ever do The Real Housewives 714 00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:40,080 Speaker 2: myself because I don't I would feel again, like I said, 715 00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:42,400 Speaker 2: like I'm a physician, like I would be really stressed 716 00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:44,920 Speaker 2: about being crazy at some point, you know, or something 717 00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:45,160 Speaker 2: like that. 718 00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:45,840 Speaker 3: It's not for you. 719 00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:48,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not for me. So I think this has 720 00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:50,760 Speaker 2: been perfect. Well, well, it's so nice to meet you 721 00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:52,960 Speaker 2: and talk to you so interesting. It's really nice to 722 00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:54,600 Speaker 2: meet you. I hope I can be out there in 723 00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:57,760 Speaker 2: the Hamptons or something or my something like that will see. Well, yes, 724 00:29:57,840 --> 00:30:00,680 Speaker 2: I'm moving and I'm in the Hampton and this is 725 00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:01,400 Speaker 2: our new era. 726 00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:03,120 Speaker 3: You and I. We'll see how we both land.