WEBVTT - CZM Book Club: Escape, part two 0:00:01.680 --> 0:00:03.240 Cool Zone Media. 0:00:06.240 --> 0:00:12.399 Book Club Club, book Club, book Club club Club. It's 0:00:12.440 --> 0:00:17.800 the Cool Zone Media book Club. Hello, Welcome to cools 0:00:17.800 --> 0:00:20.919 On Media book Club, the only book club where you 0:00:20.960 --> 0:00:23.040 don't have to do the reading because I do it 0:00:23.120 --> 0:00:26.400 for you. I'm your host, Margaret Kiljoy, and my guest 0:00:26.440 --> 0:00:29.680 today to talk about tech security as relates to this 0:00:29.760 --> 0:00:32.720 piece of speculative fiction is Greg Hi. 0:00:32.840 --> 0:00:35.520 Greg, Hi, Nice to see you again. 0:00:35.880 --> 0:00:38.720 Yeah, nice to see you. I think we called you 0:00:38.760 --> 0:00:42.600 an anarchist technology enthusiast. 0:00:42.840 --> 0:00:46.720 I believe I'm still enthusiastic. I think that's great. 0:00:47.000 --> 0:00:50.440 I'm a like, I'm of two minds all the time 0:00:50.520 --> 0:00:53.199 about technology. I'm both very interested in it. It's like 0:00:53.240 --> 0:00:57.080 one of my hobbies since I was very young. And 0:00:57.160 --> 0:00:59.760 I also think it's bad and we should just distort 0:00:59.840 --> 0:01:02.400 throw or laptops in the ocean. That's I go back 0:01:02.400 --> 0:01:05.039 and forth about these several times a day. It's very 0:01:05.040 --> 0:01:07.360 expensive to go back and forth about it. Spent a 0:01:07.400 --> 0:01:10.360 lot of money on laptops, and the ocean probably doesn't 0:01:10.400 --> 0:01:14.160 appreciate it much. No, it really doesn't. But you know, 0:01:14.200 --> 0:01:16.319 it's like so big anything you put in there, it's 0:01:16.319 --> 0:01:17.320 just it's fine. 0:01:17.400 --> 0:01:19.960 Right, Yeah, Car batteries in the ocean. That's what I hear. 0:01:23.440 --> 0:01:24.720 What does that actually do. 0:01:26.160 --> 0:01:28.200 Putting a car battery in the ocean, Well, I imagine 0:01:28.200 --> 0:01:28.720 it leaks. 0:01:29.440 --> 0:01:32.080 Is it like electrify the ocean? Is there like like 0:01:32.080 --> 0:01:35.760 a mass of water at which it can no longer electrify? 0:01:36.600 --> 0:01:39.360 I think that electric eels probably take care of that 0:01:39.480 --> 0:01:41.959 enough for us. I think a single car battery is 0:01:42.000 --> 0:01:43.959 not gonna do much. I mean, you're the one who 0:01:44.000 --> 0:01:45.920 told me that you could just touch car batteries and 0:01:45.959 --> 0:01:49.920 I was like, oh, yeah you can. Oh that's right. Yeah. 0:01:50.160 --> 0:01:52.920 I like twelve olt DC electricity or even twenty four 0:01:53.040 --> 0:01:55.720 volt DC electricity in general, that's the stuff I like. 0:01:56.200 --> 0:02:00.200 I mean, DC is the is the one that Tesla of, 0:02:00.320 --> 0:02:03.640 right and Ace was the bad guy? Right? Or did 0:02:03.640 --> 0:02:04.920 I make that up so much? 0:02:05.040 --> 0:02:08.320 I think Edison and Tesla had a pissing match. And 0:02:08.480 --> 0:02:12.160 I'm going to lose all of my long lost seapunk 0:02:12.160 --> 0:02:13.680 cred that I don't remember which one was. 0:02:13.600 --> 0:02:16.680 With jikes, Well, I know that Edison electricut in an 0:02:16.680 --> 0:02:18.440 elephant and he's a nasshole. 0:02:18.520 --> 0:02:25.320 So he also filmed when sho Gosh got executed. Anyway, 0:02:26.639 --> 0:02:32.760 so we are reading from a piece called Escape put 0:02:32.800 --> 0:02:37.080 out by Crime Think, just a anarchist publishing collective, and 0:02:37.080 --> 0:02:39.560 it's a piece of speculative fiction by an anonymous author. 0:02:40.400 --> 0:02:42.480 We started with part one last week. You should really 0:02:42.520 --> 0:02:45.760 go back and listen to it. And it is based 0:02:45.800 --> 0:02:50.000 on the idea that all of anarchists and presumably a 0:02:50.000 --> 0:02:53.800 lot of other sort of political and desirables are suddenly 0:02:53.919 --> 0:02:58.360 rated and declared illegal within the United States, a reasonably 0:02:58.440 --> 0:03:02.720 near future sort of a could happen tonight kind of timeline. 0:03:03.000 --> 0:03:06.320 And I brought Greg on because this piece talks a 0:03:06.320 --> 0:03:10.360 lot about a lot of different technological solutions to various problems, 0:03:10.919 --> 0:03:14.799 and I wanted to talk through how realistic those different 0:03:14.800 --> 0:03:19.399 solutions are if there's other solutions, but not to necessarily. 0:03:20.600 --> 0:03:22.880 I like this piece because I like that people are 0:03:22.880 --> 0:03:25.079 writing pieces like this, and I think that this is 0:03:25.120 --> 0:03:27.000 a kind of conversation that we need to be having 0:03:27.040 --> 0:03:29.520 more and more. I'm actually sort of hoping I get 0:03:29.560 --> 0:03:33.480 to run more book clubs talking about kind of similar 0:03:33.520 --> 0:03:37.400 things in the near future, or I'm hoping that everything 0:03:37.440 --> 0:03:40.160 bad goes away and I'm just writing about the bad 0:03:40.200 --> 0:03:45.560 old world anyway where we last left our heroes. There's 0:03:45.600 --> 0:03:48.720 three different groups of people, and they've all gone on 0:03:48.760 --> 0:03:53.040 the run, and they're all kind of going, now what 0:03:53.480 --> 0:03:57.880 now that they've all just barely escaped. So this section chapter, 0:03:58.000 --> 0:04:03.360 as it might be called, is called communications. Jake doesn't 0:04:03.400 --> 0:04:06.680 have to trust the new app everyone's using while signals down. 0:04:07.520 --> 0:04:12.040 Long ago, everyone in his Affinity group created GPG key pairs, 0:04:12.440 --> 0:04:16.440 then verified each other's keys and signed them. They also 0:04:16.520 --> 0:04:20.880 created private back up email accounts on other platforms, only 0:04:20.880 --> 0:04:25.160 to be used in emergencies. Jake's rise up account may 0:04:25.200 --> 0:04:28.520 be down, but his GPG keys or in the encrypted 0:04:28.560 --> 0:04:32.200 folder on his cached USB, along with a list of 0:04:32.240 --> 0:04:35.880 back up email accounts of his comrades. He goes through 0:04:35.920 --> 0:04:39.280 each one, encrypting a message to that person's public key 0:04:39.760 --> 0:04:43.560 and sending it to their back up email. After a 0:04:43.600 --> 0:04:46.240 couple hours at the cafe, one of them sends a 0:04:46.240 --> 0:04:50.760 message back to him. Ethan is still free. Jake asks 0:04:50.800 --> 0:04:53.960 to know if he knows anything about Big C's supposed posts. 0:04:54.720 --> 0:04:57.320 Ethan says he'll check with someone in Bigc's crew. He's 0:04:57.360 --> 0:05:01.760 also in contact with. Ash. Ash emails back with a 0:05:01.760 --> 0:05:05.039 public key for Big C. She signs his key with 0:05:05.080 --> 0:05:08.120 her own. Ethan checks it and sees that it matches 0:05:08.160 --> 0:05:11.440 the public key for Ash that he's signed. Then he 0:05:11.520 --> 0:05:15.360 signs big C's key and sends it to Jake. Jake 0:05:15.440 --> 0:05:18.239 messages Big C on the new app everyone is using. 0:05:18.680 --> 0:05:23.000 I'm just gonna interject here. See how that's confusing Anyway, 0:05:23.240 --> 0:05:28.839 it's hard to follow, Okay, anyway, back to it. On 0:05:28.880 --> 0:05:31.640 the other hand, I end up writing meetings, so I 0:05:31.760 --> 0:05:35.640 can't really talk shit. Writing meetings into fiction is very complicated. 0:05:35.640 --> 0:05:40.880 Writing GPG into fiction is very complicated. Okay, now, Actually, 0:05:40.960 --> 0:05:45.200 back to it. Ash emails back with a public key 0:05:45.200 --> 0:05:47.840 for Big C. She signs his key with her own 0:05:48.480 --> 0:05:51.160 Ethan checks it and sees that it matches the public 0:05:51.240 --> 0:05:54.560 key for Ash that he's signed. Then he signs big 0:05:54.600 --> 0:05:58.320 C's key and sends it to Jake. Jake messages Big 0:05:58.400 --> 0:06:01.320 C on the new app everyone is using. Instead of 0:06:01.360 --> 0:06:04.720 sending anything in clear text, he encrypts a message to 0:06:04.760 --> 0:06:07.640 the key he has for Big C. He adds his 0:06:07.680 --> 0:06:11.680 own public key on that same app. In the general 0:06:11.760 --> 0:06:15.440 channel they're all using, someone's screaming that another account is 0:06:15.480 --> 0:06:19.560 a honeypot. People stop posting if they move to a 0:06:19.560 --> 0:06:22.720 different channel or a different app. They never send Jake 0:06:22.800 --> 0:06:26.640 anything about it, but that doesn't matter because Big C 0:06:26.880 --> 0:06:31.080 responds his message likewise encrypted using GPG and then pasted 0:06:31.120 --> 0:06:34.760 within this new app. Jake decrypts and checks that it 0:06:34.839 --> 0:06:37.200 was signed by the same key for Big C that 0:06:37.320 --> 0:06:42.160 his friend Ethan certify. There's a time and location back 0:06:42.279 --> 0:06:44.880 room of a donut shop a couple punks work app 0:06:45.200 --> 0:06:50.040 eleven PM. Jake spends most of the day at the cafe, 0:06:50.320 --> 0:06:53.840 trying not to attract attention, and he scarfs down some 0:06:53.920 --> 0:06:56.359 fast food and gets a bus across town to the 0:06:56.400 --> 0:07:00.320 doughnut shop. He gets off a couple stops early and 0:07:00.400 --> 0:07:04.039 circles around it on backstreets, looking for any car or 0:07:04.120 --> 0:07:07.680 person that could be staking things out. He decides to 0:07:07.720 --> 0:07:10.920 wait a little longer in an alley, but the alley 0:07:11.160 --> 0:07:15.600 isn't empty. Ethan's there, smoking a cigarette and also scoping 0:07:15.640 --> 0:07:19.880 things out. They hug, You're the first person I've seen 0:07:19.920 --> 0:07:24.040 in like two days. Man. Ethan's heard a rumor about 0:07:24.080 --> 0:07:26.400 some kind of legal defense committee being set up, but 0:07:26.440 --> 0:07:28.520 he can't stand one of the people he thinks is 0:07:28.520 --> 0:07:32.200 in it. Jake quietly regales him with the saga of 0:07:32.240 --> 0:07:35.720 his nearly new escape. They look at the doughnut shop 0:07:35.800 --> 0:07:39.640 down the street. If it's a trap, maybe only one 0:07:39.640 --> 0:07:43.240 of us should go. I'll go. If it's chill, I'll 0:07:43.240 --> 0:07:46.080 come back out and get you. Maybe they raid us 0:07:46.080 --> 0:07:49.240 only once we're all inside. Do you want to wait 0:07:49.280 --> 0:07:53.920 out here all night? Fuck man? I don't know. Jake 0:07:53.960 --> 0:07:57.360 goes in a punk he doesn't know ushers him through 0:07:57.400 --> 0:08:01.800 the employee's side door. It's just three big c usually 0:08:01.880 --> 0:08:06.760 known as Cookie, the unknown punk, and Ash. Ash is 0:08:06.840 --> 0:08:10.840 chowing down on donuts. Nervously. Cookie gets up and extends 0:08:10.840 --> 0:08:13.240 out a hand, then turns it into an awkward hug. 0:08:14.000 --> 0:08:16.720 They don't really know each other like that, but Jake accepts, 0:08:16.920 --> 0:08:21.200 surprisingly eager for physical touch. Are we waiting for anybody else? 0:08:21.360 --> 0:08:24.880 Who'd you share this with? I don't fucking know. I 0:08:25.360 --> 0:08:28.240 told Ash and Sydney, and Sidney said she just told 0:08:28.240 --> 0:08:31.200 her band, But like, I don't trust them to Hey, 0:08:31.240 --> 0:08:34.360 Mitch's cool. Yeah, sure, Mitch is cool. I'm just saying 0:08:34.360 --> 0:08:38.280 I don't trust them not to tell someone random, you know, Jesus, 0:08:38.360 --> 0:08:40.800 says the punk Jake doesn't know, looking out the cracked 0:08:40.800 --> 0:08:45.600 open employee door. What it's Zoe. She's down the street, 0:08:45.600 --> 0:08:49.760 but she's coming this way some shared glances. No one 0:08:49.760 --> 0:08:54.560 wants to let Zoe in, Well let her in. Half 0:08:54.559 --> 0:08:57.000 an hour later, the tiny donuts store back room is 0:08:57.040 --> 0:09:01.559 swampy with seven nervous anarchists Ethan and Clue. What are 0:09:01.559 --> 0:09:06.160 we fucking doing? Sid's running and hiding. I say we 0:09:06.240 --> 0:09:09.120 make distractions, make them feel like they got the wrong folks. 0:09:09.440 --> 0:09:13.400 They're not the threat, so what they've already grabbed everyone. 0:09:13.480 --> 0:09:15.080 It's not like they're going to let them go to 0:09:15.120 --> 0:09:18.320 get us. Instead, they'll just keep them detained and then 0:09:18.440 --> 0:09:21.000 use all their resources on the few of us. No 0:09:21.240 --> 0:09:23.080 last thing we need to do right now is remind 0:09:23.120 --> 0:09:26.520 them they didn't get all of us to what fucking end. 0:09:26.840 --> 0:09:31.560 Solidarity means attack. Look, if you think of some way 0:09:31.600 --> 0:09:33.719 to bust people out, I'm all for it, But like 0:09:34.240 --> 0:09:36.679 right now, we can't even keep ourselves safe. We bust 0:09:36.720 --> 0:09:39.840 people out, we have no way to house them. They're 0:09:39.880 --> 0:09:43.480 just rating random, totally apolitical squats. They just cleared the 0:09:43.559 --> 0:09:47.600 last house lesson campment at the airport. Look, you can 0:09:47.720 --> 0:09:50.720 run and hide if you want, honestly, honestly I mean that. 0:09:51.400 --> 0:09:54.080 I don't judge, but I know if I was captured 0:09:54.160 --> 0:09:56.120 right now, the number one thing I'd want to see 0:09:56.160 --> 0:09:58.680 in this world would be cop cars on fire in 0:09:58.760 --> 0:10:02.920 the county jail parking Lite. The meeting ends a couple 0:10:02.960 --> 0:10:06.480 hours later. They have sorted into two groups and a 0:10:06.559 --> 0:10:10.880 lone individual. One group will focus on risky active strikes. 0:10:11.320 --> 0:10:13.800 The other group will try to build an underground capable 0:10:13.800 --> 0:10:17.640 of keeping people safe. Ash is going to run a 0:10:17.679 --> 0:10:21.040 clearing house email account to take submissions and push out 0:10:21.080 --> 0:10:26.880 notifications only people within the signed network of gpgkeys. If 0:10:26.960 --> 0:10:29.160 they shut down her email, she'll just pivot to a 0:10:29.160 --> 0:10:31.760 different one using the same keys and sending to the 0:10:31.760 --> 0:10:36.120 same recipients. They can't shut down email wholesale, too much 0:10:36.160 --> 0:10:39.800 of capitalism runs on it. She'll try to maintain a 0:10:39.800 --> 0:10:43.319 public counter info site for certain announcements marked to be public, 0:10:43.920 --> 0:10:48.160 but no promises. Two of the punks present are going 0:10:48.200 --> 0:10:51.200 to be showed how to use GPG. Jake and Ethan 0:10:51.280 --> 0:10:54.120 head out into the night. Ethan's got a van they 0:10:54.160 --> 0:10:58.160 can sleep in. Kat said that Vera could stay as 0:10:58.160 --> 0:11:01.120 long as she needed, but they've never actually lived together before, 0:11:01.760 --> 0:11:05.079 and as the weeks go by, little frictions keep coming up. 0:11:05.960 --> 0:11:08.520 Vera forgot she sided with the bandmate of Cat's old 0:11:08.520 --> 0:11:12.760 boyfriend that one time, but Cat hasn't. Cat doesn't approve 0:11:12.800 --> 0:11:16.640 of the lengthy showers Vera takes. Vera had no idea 0:11:16.679 --> 0:11:20.960 that Cat was such a morning person. Normally these would 0:11:20.960 --> 0:11:24.440 be nothing, but the isolation in background stress is taking 0:11:24.480 --> 0:11:27.400 a toll. Vera feels like it's hard to keep her 0:11:27.440 --> 0:11:32.640 head together, hard to be her. Without the reference points 0:11:32.679 --> 0:11:36.520 of her normal life, she feels unmoored and frazzled, always 0:11:36.559 --> 0:11:40.240 a step behind saying things she would have thought through more. 0:11:40.920 --> 0:11:43.439 Cat doesn't have a Netflix account, and Vera has nothing 0:11:43.440 --> 0:11:45.920 to do all day but pace around Cat's basement and 0:11:46.320 --> 0:11:50.360 read Cat's books. Cat doesn't use the internet much, and 0:11:50.480 --> 0:11:53.680 Vera's trying not to suddenly flood Cat's router with a 0:11:53.679 --> 0:11:57.960 ton of activity. Every morning around the time Cat said 0:11:58.000 --> 0:12:01.520 she sometimes checks her work email, Vera takes the new 0:12:01.600 --> 0:12:04.920 laptop Cat bought for her and connects to the internet. 0:12:06.600 --> 0:12:08.800 In so far as the raids are getting attention, it 0:12:08.840 --> 0:12:12.599 seems to be mostly because some prominent journalists got detained too. 0:12:13.200 --> 0:12:16.960 It joins the background shrieking about journalists' rights being under attack, 0:12:17.520 --> 0:12:19.760 but the news outlets mostly just want to use that 0:12:19.880 --> 0:12:24.960 narrative to bolster their subscriptions. With social media effectively gone, 0:12:25.040 --> 0:12:28.560 there's little coverage of the massed attentions of anarchists, save 0:12:28.679 --> 0:12:32.480 some conservatives chortling that it was about time and see 0:12:32.559 --> 0:12:35.920 the old establishment was deliberately choosing not to fight terrorism 0:12:35.960 --> 0:12:40.320 the whole time. She's careful to build a profile of 0:12:40.360 --> 0:12:44.200 Internet activity that doesn't match her prior use. She chooses 0:12:44.240 --> 0:12:48.440 different websites for news, even to check weather reports. She 0:12:48.480 --> 0:12:51.479 doesn't want to deviate too far from Kat's previous activity. 0:12:52.120 --> 0:12:55.680 If Kat used bing for searching about mushroom harvests, so 0:12:55.840 --> 0:12:59.800 will she. If Kat didn't use an ad blocker, she 0:13:00.040 --> 0:13:03.480 won't add one. The goal is to slowly build up 0:13:03.520 --> 0:13:06.720 Cat's Internet usage so she can use it more frequently. 0:13:06.800 --> 0:13:10.040 While stuck at home, She holds herself back from checking 0:13:10.120 --> 0:13:14.720 radical websites. In the last three weeks, Vera has almost 0:13:14.840 --> 0:13:18.640 never left Cat's house. One afternoon, there was an unusual 0:13:18.720 --> 0:13:21.160 car parked all day within view of the front door. 0:13:22.040 --> 0:13:25.880 Even Kat was convinced it was sketchy. Cat's home cooking 0:13:26.000 --> 0:13:29.480 is very cumin and vegetables oriented, but she picks up 0:13:29.480 --> 0:13:32.240 the Thai food Vera loves a couple times with cash, 0:13:32.360 --> 0:13:36.719 not card Vera is hesitant about booting Tails off the 0:13:36.840 --> 0:13:39.840 USB she had on hand and connecting on the home 0:13:39.960 --> 0:13:44.800 network because she's worried that will draw attention. Instead, she 0:13:44.880 --> 0:13:47.319 gets Kat to go to a nearby cafe during the 0:13:47.400 --> 0:13:51.120 day and write down the Wi Fi password. Then in 0:13:51.160 --> 0:13:53.600 the middle of the night, she goes out with Cat's 0:13:53.600 --> 0:13:58.240 crusty old laptop, sits behind the cafe's dumpster, boots Tails 0:13:58.640 --> 0:14:01.679 and connects to the open inner. A lot of anarchist's 0:14:01.679 --> 0:14:04.160 websites are gone, and the foreign ones are thin on 0:14:04.200 --> 0:14:09.120 substantive reportbacks, meaningful news, or how two guides are overshadowed 0:14:09.120 --> 0:14:13.640 by essays that triumphantly advocate one or another grotesque alliance 0:14:13.679 --> 0:14:17.760 and declare the time of principles to be over. This provokes, 0:14:17.800 --> 0:14:22.600 in turn, angry evocative screeds that fetishize death to survive 0:14:22.680 --> 0:14:25.400 as a betrayal of our fallen says one. It's our 0:14:25.480 --> 0:14:29.840 duty to die beautifully together. Someone else is aggressively promoting 0:14:29.880 --> 0:14:33.840 a Patreon in her back up email account. There's an 0:14:33.920 --> 0:14:37.480 encrypted message to her, signed by her old comrade, Matthew. 0:14:38.320 --> 0:14:40.800 He survived the raids that got every other anarchist in 0:14:40.840 --> 0:14:44.240 their town and has taken formal sanctuary in the basement 0:14:44.280 --> 0:14:47.320 of a Quaker house. The cops seem to know he's there, though, 0:14:47.480 --> 0:14:50.160 or at least suspect it. They keep a squad car 0:14:50.200 --> 0:14:52.400 parked out front at all hours and have followed the 0:14:52.440 --> 0:14:56.200 two old Quakers who come and go. He's heard from 0:14:56.240 --> 0:14:58.880 a friend who escaped the raids in another city and 0:14:58.920 --> 0:15:02.440 has been riding the rail. Matthew has a normy friend, 0:15:02.800 --> 0:15:05.360 a former movement lawyer who has fallen off the radar 0:15:05.480 --> 0:15:08.120 doing corporate work for a decade, but who he is 0:15:08.160 --> 0:15:11.360 certain would put his other friend up. It's just that 0:15:11.440 --> 0:15:14.440 he's got no way to contact him. He has another 0:15:14.480 --> 0:15:16.920 friend who made it down across the southern border but 0:15:17.040 --> 0:15:20.120 is penniless. Needs a money transfer to get an apartment 0:15:20.160 --> 0:15:23.560 and look for a job. It could be cryptocurrency, even 0:15:23.600 --> 0:15:27.040 a mailed check. Is it possible to get an anonymous 0:15:27.040 --> 0:15:32.479 money transfer? When Kat gets home, Vera is ready with questions. 0:15:33.960 --> 0:15:36.400 In the middle of the night, Julie and Maggie have 0:15:36.480 --> 0:15:39.360 to leave the farm. They drive out with six of 0:15:39.360 --> 0:15:41.720 their friends lying flat in the back of their truck, 0:15:42.200 --> 0:15:45.720 supplies and blankets packed on top of them. Every time 0:15:45.760 --> 0:15:48.120 they swerve around a bend on a back road and 0:15:48.160 --> 0:15:51.200 see headlights. They flinch, waiting to see if it is 0:15:51.240 --> 0:15:53.960 the cops or the local militia who promised to kill 0:15:54.000 --> 0:15:57.200 all of them. The sudden collapse of two major cities 0:15:57.200 --> 0:16:01.080 from back to back environmental disasters has killed but it 0:16:01.120 --> 0:16:04.200 has also resulted in the establishment of an immense internal 0:16:04.240 --> 0:16:07.920 refugee camp in the South. The rumor is that the 0:16:07.960 --> 0:16:11.360 authorities can't demand id because so many people have lost theirs. 0:16:12.800 --> 0:16:14.840 There are enough white people in the vast camp, with 0:16:14.960 --> 0:16:18.280 enough friends and family outside that it looks unlikely they 0:16:18.320 --> 0:16:21.280 will be purged like so many immigrants had been. If 0:16:21.280 --> 0:16:23.880 they just keep their stories straight and avoid speaking with 0:16:23.920 --> 0:16:27.520 an accent, they should be safer there than at the 0:16:27.560 --> 0:16:30.960 farm where they have lived for the last year. The 0:16:31.080 --> 0:16:34.680 roads are too chaotic, the internal border checkpoints too overwhelmed. 0:16:35.160 --> 0:16:38.200 The eight of them make it south intact. They buy 0:16:38.200 --> 0:16:42.480 taco bell and doughnuts along the way. When they get 0:16:42.520 --> 0:16:45.200 to the camp, the armed guards shake them down, pilfering 0:16:45.280 --> 0:16:49.040 whatever they think might be of value from the shoddy 0:16:49.080 --> 0:16:52.560 posters everywhere. They quickly discover that there are out leftists 0:16:52.600 --> 0:16:55.240 in the sprawling camp, the kind that want to be 0:16:55.280 --> 0:16:58.920 an armed gang and won't countenance any organizing that isn't 0:16:58.960 --> 0:17:02.280 under their umbrella. Every few weeks one of the men's 0:17:02.320 --> 0:17:05.560 up dead, and it's rarely from the guards or conservatives. 0:17:07.400 --> 0:17:11.160 The better relief organizations are all fatigued and finn on resources. 0:17:11.680 --> 0:17:14.440 They keep getting squeezed out by Christian groups and political 0:17:14.600 --> 0:17:19.159 organizations looking to gain contracts or legitimacy. It's unclear to 0:17:19.200 --> 0:17:22.439 what extent this is the ruler's accolytes cannibalizing a federal 0:17:22.480 --> 0:17:25.560 project in an orgy of corruption, and to what extent 0:17:25.640 --> 0:17:29.320 the powers that be here deliberately inflicting pressure on the refugees. 0:17:30.359 --> 0:17:33.320 Buses with corporate branding on the sides promise quick work 0:17:33.359 --> 0:17:37.359 contracts to those in the camps. People come back bone weary, 0:17:37.640 --> 0:17:40.159 but they do come back through the security cordons and 0:17:40.200 --> 0:17:44.080 fencing that surrounds the camp. The ruler brags at this 0:17:44.160 --> 0:17:49.640 program is finally providing jobs for real citizens. It's said 0:17:49.680 --> 0:17:53.080 that Amazon is restructuring its national supply chain to center 0:17:53.119 --> 0:17:56.879 around the concentrated, cheap labor that the refugee camp provides. 0:17:58.680 --> 0:18:01.080 Julie and Maggie keep their head heads down, forming a 0:18:01.119 --> 0:18:05.000 tight circle with their friends from the farm. When administrators 0:18:05.040 --> 0:18:08.120 try to split them up into separate tracts of tin sheds, 0:18:08.720 --> 0:18:11.520 they find a way to meet up again. When the 0:18:11.520 --> 0:18:14.760 guards took their jewelry and cash, they left them with 0:18:14.800 --> 0:18:19.879 their bulk filtration system, chemical water purifying tabs, and beaten laptop. 0:18:20.720 --> 0:18:23.320 These turn out to be worth more than gems within 0:18:23.359 --> 0:18:26.680 the camp. Being able to purify gallons of water every 0:18:26.720 --> 0:18:30.800 day makes their crew self sufficient. What remains of the 0:18:30.840 --> 0:18:33.040 Internet and the rest of the nation isn't much to 0:18:33.080 --> 0:18:35.879 speak of, but there's almost nothing in the camp besides 0:18:35.920 --> 0:18:39.320 a single app that takes over your phone, charges you dearly, 0:18:39.720 --> 0:18:45.280 and pronounces news headlines from a single source. Julie and 0:18:45.320 --> 0:18:49.600 Maggie ignore phones entirely, sticking to Maggie's Cassio watch in 0:18:49.680 --> 0:18:53.119 their laptop. They disable the Wi Fi on it and 0:18:53.160 --> 0:18:57.399 pretend it is just for showing pirated shows. Electrical power 0:18:57.440 --> 0:18:59.720 is available in the camp for a hefty charge, but 0:19:00.200 --> 0:19:03.560 folks rig up DIY tin can and magnet turbines in 0:19:03.600 --> 0:19:06.960 the river that can recharge batteries if you wait long enough. 0:19:08.640 --> 0:19:11.879 Once you're in camp, you can't leave, but smugglers promise 0:19:11.960 --> 0:19:14.520 to get letters or even packages to and from the 0:19:14.560 --> 0:19:18.199 outside world. Rumor has it that many of them steal 0:19:18.240 --> 0:19:21.120 whatever you entrust to them and turn anything incriminating over 0:19:21.119 --> 0:19:25.800 to the cops for rewards. Julie and Maggie have signed 0:19:25.840 --> 0:19:28.359 GPG keys with everyone they lived with at the farm, 0:19:28.440 --> 0:19:30.679 and those who didn't flee with them to the camps 0:19:30.680 --> 0:19:34.480 are now vital relays to a wider network. The uncle 0:19:34.520 --> 0:19:37.160 of the three girls they saved has left the adjoining 0:19:37.200 --> 0:19:40.480 farm to join up with the family further east. His 0:19:40.520 --> 0:19:43.800 white father's name and address is above suspicion. So far, 0:19:45.200 --> 0:19:49.800 they operate a rudimentary onion network mailing USB's out with 0:19:49.880 --> 0:19:54.280 the smugglers. First they encrypt a message to the final recipient. 0:19:54.800 --> 0:19:57.760 Then they encrypt that encrypted message plus a note about 0:19:57.760 --> 0:20:00.919 how to relay it to them to a friend like 0:20:00.960 --> 0:20:04.560 the uncle. This encrypted file they hide is a malformed 0:20:04.600 --> 0:20:07.800 gift among other memes and similar drunk of the sort 0:20:07.840 --> 0:20:11.320 that has passed around the internal refugee camp. If the 0:20:11.359 --> 0:20:14.520 smugglers or anyone else inspect the USB on its way 0:20:14.560 --> 0:20:17.280 to the uncle, they just see some memes in a 0:20:17.320 --> 0:20:20.919 broken gift. It's crude and not every message makes it, 0:20:21.440 --> 0:20:25.959 but enough do. Soon enough, Julie and Maggie are writing 0:20:26.000 --> 0:20:28.680 reports on the camps that are getting to anarchist journalists 0:20:28.720 --> 0:20:33.119 and infosites in other countries. One of the companies that 0:20:33.200 --> 0:20:37.000 oversees the camp's most hated enforcement drones, gets its supply 0:20:37.119 --> 0:20:41.960 lines attacked in the Mediterranean. The CTO is assassinated at 0:20:41.960 --> 0:20:47.000 a gala. When news reaches the camp, even conservative Grannis, 0:20:47.000 --> 0:20:50.439 who are always on about racist conspiracy theories, are suddenly 0:20:50.480 --> 0:20:55.680 praising those anarchists. A communicate from distant Comrades makes its 0:20:55.720 --> 0:21:00.399 way back through the laborious series of USB exchange solidity. 0:21:00.480 --> 0:21:05.800 It reads means attack, dun, dun, dunn. But you know 0:21:05.880 --> 0:21:10.240 what doesn't mean attack, but instead means shifting to advertisements. 0:21:10.960 --> 0:21:16.400 It's when I shift to advertisements like now. 0:21:22.000 --> 0:21:22.639 And we're back. 0:21:23.440 --> 0:21:28.399 Okay, so that was a chapter. What's your take on 0:21:28.520 --> 0:21:31.159 their onion network of USBs. 0:21:34.520 --> 0:21:38.359 It seems complicated, honestly, it's it's a little, it's a little. 0:21:38.760 --> 0:21:41.159 So this this section starts to think get into a 0:21:41.160 --> 0:21:44.280 little bit of science fiction y, just because I don't 0:21:44.520 --> 0:21:48.639 really know what it would look like now, because it's 0:21:48.680 --> 0:21:52.399 hard for me to sort of imagine it. But yes, 0:21:52.600 --> 0:21:55.240 you could do this. I was thinking of a story though, 0:21:55.480 --> 0:21:58.720 So during the Edward Snowden links he was trying to 0:21:58.760 --> 0:22:03.280 get his stuff out to journalist and Glenn Greenwald now 0:22:03.280 --> 0:22:05.480 has gone off the deep end, but back then he 0:22:05.640 --> 0:22:08.240 was a person to talk to about these sorts of things. 0:22:08.640 --> 0:22:13.000 And Edward Snowden and a researcher from the EFF both 0:22:13.040 --> 0:22:15.679 tried to get Glenn Greenwald to understand GPG and they 0:22:15.720 --> 0:22:19.639 couldn't do it. So I think that there's like, you know, 0:22:19.800 --> 0:22:22.160 and these both very technical people and they're like, okay, 0:22:22.160 --> 0:22:23.800 we're going to teach this journalists how to eat GPG. 0:22:23.880 --> 0:22:25.960 They couldn't do it. So I'm very impressed in this 0:22:26.000 --> 0:22:29.760 section of like how much they're like, oh yeah, we're 0:22:29.760 --> 0:22:32.040 going to teach these two punks GPG in an evening, 0:22:32.080 --> 0:22:35.280 and like maybe you can do that. But again, like 0:22:35.320 --> 0:22:38.359 you as you interrupted yourself in the piece, this stuff 0:22:38.400 --> 0:22:41.480 is complicated and it's complicated to get right and maintain. 0:22:41.920 --> 0:22:43.879 Like I think that's also it's like you do it 0:22:43.920 --> 0:22:46.880 and you're like, okay, it's done, and then you don't 0:22:46.920 --> 0:22:50.320 think you have to think about it, but then you 0:22:50.440 --> 0:22:52.800 lose your key, or you lose your private key, and 0:22:52.840 --> 0:22:57.280 then everything's borked, or you sign somebody's key and they 0:22:57.359 --> 0:23:01.560 change keys or something like. It's just it. It's very complicated, 0:23:01.640 --> 0:23:03.679 and like this piece tries to break it down, and 0:23:03.680 --> 0:23:08.640 I appreciate that, but I would really like to see 0:23:08.760 --> 0:23:12.400 sort of like a broken down guide. And I think 0:23:12.400 --> 0:23:14.000 that at the end of this piece they go into 0:23:14.000 --> 0:23:15.600 it a little bit and I didn't go through that, 0:23:15.640 --> 0:23:19.399 but I want to challenge, you know, people who aren't 0:23:19.600 --> 0:23:22.320 really familiar with this stuff on a day to day basis, 0:23:22.840 --> 0:23:24.800 go through that tutorial and see how easy it is, 0:23:25.560 --> 0:23:28.200 because I don't know if you would make it through 0:23:28.240 --> 0:23:32.600 the first first pass. Yeah, I know, what were your thoughts. 0:23:32.840 --> 0:23:35.520 I think that it's actually the kind of thing that's 0:23:35.520 --> 0:23:38.200 a little bit easier with someone teaching you than reading 0:23:38.240 --> 0:23:40.440 things on the internet about it. Yeah, which is sort 0:23:40.440 --> 0:23:45.680 of ironic considering kind of what it's about. I can 0:23:45.800 --> 0:23:49.600 imagine this kind of working. But I think that the 0:23:49.720 --> 0:23:54.240 like lost nodes, like over all the Internet wants to 0:23:54.280 --> 0:23:58.919 reroute around damage, right, Yeah, this system doesn't seem like 0:23:59.400 --> 0:24:01.840 the way I understand. It doesn't seem like it can 0:24:01.920 --> 0:24:05.840