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Speaker 1: Welcome to Strictly Business, Variety's weekly podcast featuring conversations with

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Speaker 1: industry leaders about the business of media and entertainment. I'm

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Speaker 1: Cynthia Littleton, co editor in chief of Variety Today. My

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Speaker 1: guest is Sima Zargami, founder and CEO of Memo Studios.

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Speaker 1: Memo is an independent kid's content company based in New York.

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Speaker 1: Siema knows this arena well after spending thirty plus years

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Speaker 1: with Nickelodeon. She rose through the ranks when Nickelodeon was

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Speaker 1: one of the hottest things in cable during the go

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Speaker 1: go growth years of the nineteen nineties. She left after

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Speaker 1: a decade in the top job in eighteen, so no

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Speaker 1: one is better situated to see how the kids TV

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Speaker 1: business is changing than Zargami. In June, Mimo put its

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Speaker 1: toe in the water with a short form animated series,

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Speaker 1: Hippo Park, that debuted on YouTube. In our Converse station,

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Speaker 1: Seema explains what she's learned during her short time working

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Speaker 1: role in daily that she could only dream of a

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Speaker 1: decade ago. We talk about whether there really can be

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Speaker 1: such a thing as a kid friendly metaverse, and she

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Speaker 1: gamely explains the broad strokes of Web three content creation

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Speaker 1: and why it's such a radical departure from Hollywood tradition.

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Speaker 1: That's all coming up on Strictly Business after the break,

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Speaker 1: and we're back with Memo Studios founder SEMA's Argami Seema's

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Speaker 1: are Gamy, founder and CEO of Memo Studios. Thank you

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Speaker 1: so much for joining me today, Thank you for having me.

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Speaker 1: Where did you start in terms of putting your focus

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Speaker 1: for what what Memo was going to focus on? In

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Speaker 1: terms of in terms of generating content? I mean, it's

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Speaker 1: not this world. It's not necessarily obvious that you start

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Speaker 1: with an old fashioned TV series, right. Well, the big

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Speaker 1: difference for me is, you know, I'm still a sort

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Speaker 1: change for me. And I think that, you know, the

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Speaker 1: most notable difference today versus probably ten years ago is

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Speaker 1: the kid's ecosystem used to be made up of pretty

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Speaker 1: much three channels, Cartoon, Disney and Nickelodeon. And they were

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Speaker 1: you know, um, they were three big brands that had

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Speaker 1: brands and the content are the sub brands, and the

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Speaker 1: role of the you know, sort of like um Curator

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Speaker 1: brands has been a little bit diminished. That's a challenge

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Speaker 1: for a startup entity to get into that into that world. Yes,

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Speaker 1: so so the the real you know, opportunity is to

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Speaker 1: of my company, but what I really want to do

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Speaker 1: is find great properties that can live, you know, sort

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Speaker 1: of in my own little ecosystem. But it's the it's

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Speaker 1: the new ecosystem that it's so interesting to me, which

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Speaker 1: is why, um, you know, I still I had kids

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Speaker 1: biggest difference. In the beast, everything was curated, right there

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Speaker 1: were there were the it was curated both by you

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