1 00:00:08,245 --> 00:00:15,925 Speaker 1: School of Humans. Hello, welcome to another episode of cataver Gals. 2 00:00:16,445 --> 00:00:19,645 Speaker 1: This is the podcast. Yes, I am sure you know 3 00:00:19,765 --> 00:00:23,045 Speaker 1: and have heard of us, because we are famous anyway, 4 00:00:23,605 --> 00:00:26,205 Speaker 1: that we was a podcast where we kind of talk 5 00:00:26,245 --> 00:00:31,205 Speaker 1: about people's deaths to cope with our own mortality. Super 6 00:00:31,245 --> 00:00:34,645 Speaker 1: super fun does not work. Do you guys know that 7 00:00:34,765 --> 00:00:37,885 Speaker 1: some Olive Garden waiters or service they say instead of 8 00:00:37,885 --> 00:00:39,845 Speaker 1: saying soup or salad, that I say salad or soup 9 00:00:39,885 --> 00:00:43,445 Speaker 1: because they're so fucking over people saying super solid Anyway, 10 00:00:43,605 --> 00:00:45,325 Speaker 1: I was on a TikTok bench last night and I 11 00:00:45,365 --> 00:00:48,645 Speaker 1: saw that. Um, I'm your host, Mika, along with Taylor 12 00:00:48,885 --> 00:00:54,605 Speaker 1: Hi and Gaby. I'm sorry I was thrown off by 13 00:00:54,605 --> 00:00:59,445 Speaker 1: the Olive Garden comments, but hello, I'm like my AHD 14 00:00:59,565 --> 00:01:03,245 Speaker 1: is a little a little rumpant. Today on today's show, 15 00:01:03,485 --> 00:01:06,765 Speaker 1: we're going to explore just how dang dress Quicksand is 16 00:01:07,165 --> 00:01:12,565 Speaker 1: and just hunt dangerous Mormons are. Wow, Quicksands. It's like 17 00:01:12,605 --> 00:01:16,445 Speaker 1: a great horror movie. I love it already. Today's trigger 18 00:01:16,485 --> 00:01:29,445 Speaker 1: warnings are religious fanaticism, being bludgeoned, drowning, suffocation, no thank you, guns, execution. 19 00:01:31,325 --> 00:01:35,645 Speaker 1: I think that's about it. That's it. Wow, that is 20 00:01:35,685 --> 00:01:39,485 Speaker 1: it just a real light you know, morning podcast que 21 00:01:39,525 --> 00:01:59,365 Speaker 1: aligator music. Okay, Taylor, Um, it's quicksand time. It's Sandy, 22 00:01:59,725 --> 00:02:05,045 Speaker 1: Sandy time, Sandy from SpongeBob SquarePants. You know, I really 23 00:02:05,205 --> 00:02:08,285 Speaker 1: want to go to the beach right now. Let's go. 24 00:02:08,765 --> 00:02:14,885 Speaker 1: Let's stop doing this episode right now. Okay, Gobby, No, 25 00:02:15,565 --> 00:02:19,005 Speaker 1: but okay, um, let's why you have things to do. 26 00:02:19,605 --> 00:02:24,205 Speaker 1: I do. I'm like a businesswoman. Oh that's true. Business 27 00:02:24,325 --> 00:02:28,805 Speaker 1: hat feel very executive. Okay, great, so let's hear Texas 28 00:02:28,925 --> 00:02:32,205 Speaker 1: we're going there. There's this fella. His name is Jose 29 00:02:32,325 --> 00:02:36,765 Speaker 1: Ray Escarbato. Um. He loved nature. He would often go 30 00:02:36,885 --> 00:02:39,685 Speaker 1: to the San Antonio River and he would swim. It 31 00:02:39,805 --> 00:02:42,805 Speaker 1: sounds like a tinder profile. Well yeah, and it also 32 00:02:43,005 --> 00:02:45,805 Speaker 1: like swimming in a river. Sounds really disgusting to me. 33 00:02:46,125 --> 00:02:48,325 Speaker 1: I do not like that. I don't like rivers, and 34 00:02:48,365 --> 00:02:50,365 Speaker 1: I don't like lakes. Okay, there's too many things that 35 00:02:50,405 --> 00:02:53,285 Speaker 1: we do not understand. Yeah. No, rivers are better though, 36 00:02:53,285 --> 00:02:56,045 Speaker 1: because it's moving water, so it should be pretty safe, right, 37 00:02:56,125 --> 00:02:59,405 Speaker 1: But then a lake, lake that's more stagnant. I wouldn't 38 00:02:59,405 --> 00:03:03,445 Speaker 1: trust a lake. No, that's exactly what I was gonna say, yeah, true. Also, 39 00:03:03,485 --> 00:03:06,125 Speaker 1: I tell that story about Lake Lanier to everyone, like 40 00:03:06,205 --> 00:03:07,965 Speaker 1: the moment lakes come up, I'm like, did you know? 41 00:03:08,525 --> 00:03:11,765 Speaker 1: And then we talked about bloated bodies. So I started 42 00:03:11,805 --> 00:03:13,805 Speaker 1: to go down with that rabbit hole, and I was like, 43 00:03:13,885 --> 00:03:16,725 Speaker 1: that is not what this is about, not about how 44 00:03:16,765 --> 00:03:19,885 Speaker 1: clean rivers are, verses some shots. So I was like, 45 00:03:19,925 --> 00:03:22,445 Speaker 1: I'm going to stay on track. So back to Jose. 46 00:03:22,845 --> 00:03:26,565 Speaker 1: He went to the store, picked up his prescription. This 47 00:03:26,725 --> 00:03:29,725 Speaker 1: was in July, and then he just like went m ia. 48 00:03:29,965 --> 00:03:33,485 Speaker 1: His family reported him missing and he just disappeared without 49 00:03:33,485 --> 00:03:36,165 Speaker 1: a trace. No one had seen him for three days. 50 00:03:36,645 --> 00:03:39,645 Speaker 1: Was this in like current times? Yes, this was twenty 51 00:03:40,045 --> 00:03:44,445 Speaker 1: fifteen or twenty eighteen, I forget. And so on the 52 00:03:44,525 --> 00:03:47,245 Speaker 1: third day, someone reported that there was a blue car 53 00:03:47,365 --> 00:03:51,325 Speaker 1: that was parked for a few days under an overpass 54 00:03:51,685 --> 00:03:55,645 Speaker 1: and this was Jose's car. So they call a helicopter, 55 00:03:55,845 --> 00:03:59,925 Speaker 1: they do a search, find nothing. So the next day 56 00:03:59,965 --> 00:04:02,125 Speaker 1: they went to the river to do the search, which 57 00:04:02,165 --> 00:04:05,245 Speaker 1: after a couple of hours they find Jose stuck from 58 00:04:06,205 --> 00:04:10,365 Speaker 1: the hips down in quicksand like substance. And then it 59 00:04:10,365 --> 00:04:13,285 Speaker 1: appeared that he had like collapsed face down in the 60 00:04:13,365 --> 00:04:18,485 Speaker 1: quicksand no evidence of foul play or anything. After an autopsy, 61 00:04:18,525 --> 00:04:23,045 Speaker 1: they determined that he had drowned. So presumably he'd gotten 62 00:04:23,045 --> 00:04:27,245 Speaker 1: trapped in like the clay sand water mixture and became 63 00:04:27,245 --> 00:04:30,525 Speaker 1: exhausted trying to escape foul face first, which is where 64 00:04:30,525 --> 00:04:35,845 Speaker 1: he met his demise. So he went river swimming, and 65 00:04:35,965 --> 00:04:38,005 Speaker 1: that was near I guess he would park under the 66 00:04:38,085 --> 00:04:42,845 Speaker 1: overpass and then got trapped in the quicksand, Hm, wow, 67 00:04:43,245 --> 00:04:46,085 Speaker 1: you got it. You listen to my story really well? 68 00:04:47,605 --> 00:04:51,205 Speaker 1: It let me do it. So he parked under the 69 00:04:51,285 --> 00:04:54,525 Speaker 1: overpass and then he was swimming in the river and 70 00:04:54,565 --> 00:04:57,525 Speaker 1: then he got stuck in the quicksand is it quicksand 71 00:04:57,525 --> 00:05:02,885 Speaker 1: what is quicksand? So quicksand is just clay sand and 72 00:05:02,965 --> 00:05:06,605 Speaker 1: water mixture. It's not exact what we like thought of 73 00:05:06,965 --> 00:05:09,405 Speaker 1: when we were kids, Like I don't know why, we 74 00:05:09,405 --> 00:05:11,885 Speaker 1: were very we were really concerned about it. But it's 75 00:05:11,885 --> 00:05:15,685 Speaker 1: not like a living monster, right exactly, so used so 76 00:05:15,725 --> 00:05:18,485 Speaker 1: it's actually like kind of rare. But there was this 77 00:05:18,525 --> 00:05:22,565 Speaker 1: other instance that I found where at first I was like, 78 00:05:22,685 --> 00:05:25,285 Speaker 1: is this real? Is it's not real? But there were 79 00:05:25,285 --> 00:05:27,645 Speaker 1: like very few sources, but I eventually got to got 80 00:05:27,685 --> 00:05:31,765 Speaker 1: to the real tea journalism. Yes, so that's what the 81 00:05:31,885 --> 00:05:36,165 Speaker 1: journalism is, the tea, yeah, exactly. So there was this 82 00:05:36,285 --> 00:05:38,845 Speaker 1: video that was swirling around the Internet of a man 83 00:05:39,005 --> 00:05:42,285 Speaker 1: who was like doing this allegedly, I guess I was 84 00:05:42,325 --> 00:05:46,365 Speaker 1: doing this video tutorial I'm air quoting on how to 85 00:05:46,605 --> 00:05:50,525 Speaker 1: escape quicksand that's like that was the idea when it 86 00:05:50,565 --> 00:05:53,645 Speaker 1: was like swirling around, and so I found the video 87 00:05:54,085 --> 00:05:56,725 Speaker 1: started watching it. It It was very uncomfy. It was seven 88 00:05:56,725 --> 00:06:00,965 Speaker 1: minutes long. And so I watched a seven minute video 89 00:06:01,125 --> 00:06:03,205 Speaker 1: I can only do like forty five seconds. No, I 90 00:06:03,205 --> 00:06:07,045 Speaker 1: got impatient and I'll started skipping. I was it uncomfying. Okay, 91 00:06:07,085 --> 00:06:08,565 Speaker 1: So there was this man and he was in a 92 00:06:08,565 --> 00:06:11,925 Speaker 1: blue swimsuit and he just like pencil jumps into this 93 00:06:11,965 --> 00:06:15,765 Speaker 1: like quicksand like substance, and so he's like trying to 94 00:06:15,805 --> 00:06:19,525 Speaker 1: wiggle himself free, but just like keeps sinking more and 95 00:06:19,645 --> 00:06:24,645 Speaker 1: more and more and more until he's basically submerged, and 96 00:06:24,725 --> 00:06:26,725 Speaker 1: he's like trying to wipe the quicksand from his mouth 97 00:06:26,765 --> 00:06:29,845 Speaker 1: to breathe, and like the video then just like cuts off. 98 00:06:30,245 --> 00:06:33,605 Speaker 1: So everybody's like, oh my god, this man just filmed 99 00:06:33,685 --> 00:06:36,565 Speaker 1: his death and it kind of looks it kind of 100 00:06:36,565 --> 00:06:38,845 Speaker 1: looks that way. It was like really suspicious and scary, 101 00:06:39,005 --> 00:06:40,805 Speaker 1: and it's like clearly an old video, like the quality 102 00:06:40,885 --> 00:06:42,845 Speaker 1: is not great. I couldn't figure out when exactly it 103 00:06:42,925 --> 00:06:48,605 Speaker 1: was made. But anyway, So in twenty ten, this same 104 00:06:48,605 --> 00:06:52,925 Speaker 1: fellow reappeared creating more content and here is what he said. 105 00:06:54,405 --> 00:06:57,245 Speaker 1: I now have a new waterproof digital camera. That means 106 00:06:57,285 --> 00:07:00,245 Speaker 1: that I am now back in the business in terms 107 00:07:00,325 --> 00:07:04,085 Speaker 1: of taking videos of me sinking. I created an obscure 108 00:07:04,165 --> 00:07:07,725 Speaker 1: YouTube account and have begun uploading videos to it set 109 00:07:07,845 --> 00:07:11,165 Speaker 1: as unlisted, so it doesn't show up anywhere. Unfortunately, I 110 00:07:11,285 --> 00:07:14,045 Speaker 1: live and help out my parents on a farm who 111 00:07:14,085 --> 00:07:16,405 Speaker 1: don't know what I am into and only know that 112 00:07:16,485 --> 00:07:19,805 Speaker 1: I enjoy cycling and hiking in the back country. So 113 00:07:20,565 --> 00:07:26,005 Speaker 1: apparently there's this like fetish out there called like quicksand 114 00:07:26,045 --> 00:07:30,125 Speaker 1: porn where people fetish fetish shot. I can't say that 115 00:07:30,125 --> 00:07:38,085 Speaker 1: word fetishe so I can't say it that word bodies 116 00:07:38,525 --> 00:07:43,805 Speaker 1: um basically being consumed in sticky uigue mud um Nika's 117 00:07:43,845 --> 00:07:49,405 Speaker 1: into it, so okay um. So even further though it's 118 00:07:49,565 --> 00:07:53,645 Speaker 1: very specific, is very specific, and people will actually go 119 00:07:53,685 --> 00:07:56,525 Speaker 1: out into nature and submerge themselves in mud, and those 120 00:07:56,565 --> 00:08:03,125 Speaker 1: people are called sinkers. Sinkers. Yeah, so I'm like, I 121 00:08:03,165 --> 00:08:05,045 Speaker 1: went down such a rabbit hole yesterday and I was like, 122 00:08:05,085 --> 00:08:08,765 Speaker 1: what is a bunch of porn? No, I actually didn't, 123 00:08:08,765 --> 00:08:10,925 Speaker 1: and I was kind of for the podcast. It's for 124 00:08:11,005 --> 00:08:15,525 Speaker 1: the show, it's research show. I didn't actually, but there 125 00:08:15,685 --> 00:08:20,325 Speaker 1: is a Vice documentary or like a Vice episode specifically 126 00:08:20,325 --> 00:08:26,005 Speaker 1: about this. So I watched fifty seventy five percent journalism. 127 00:08:27,085 --> 00:08:31,245 Speaker 1: So anyway, so this whole thing started basically in the 128 00:08:31,285 --> 00:08:35,325 Speaker 1: sixties in Hollywood. There were so many movies with quicksand scenes. 129 00:08:35,885 --> 00:08:39,805 Speaker 1: It started with the nineteen forty five iteration of Tarzan 130 00:08:40,325 --> 00:08:43,245 Speaker 1: where there is a scene where Tarzan rescues Jane from 131 00:08:43,245 --> 00:08:46,725 Speaker 1: the quicksand he's like up in the tree pulls her 132 00:08:46,765 --> 00:08:49,925 Speaker 1: out with a rope, and so many people found this arousing. 133 00:08:50,445 --> 00:08:52,405 Speaker 1: So like after that it was like the cool thing 134 00:08:52,405 --> 00:08:55,285 Speaker 1: to do to have quicksand and movies. And it then 135 00:08:55,365 --> 00:08:59,325 Speaker 1: kind of like began this this trope and that is 136 00:08:59,405 --> 00:09:02,125 Speaker 1: kind of why it was like popularized, because people were 137 00:09:02,245 --> 00:09:07,445 Speaker 1: fedistal fedish stiles of sexual awaking. Yeah, so in this 138 00:09:07,525 --> 00:09:10,565 Speaker 1: Vice episode they say that one and thirty five films 139 00:09:10,645 --> 00:09:14,045 Speaker 1: had quicksand scene in it at its peak popularity, like 140 00:09:14,125 --> 00:09:16,565 Speaker 1: it even made it into Princess Bride. That was like 141 00:09:16,645 --> 00:09:18,325 Speaker 1: kind of you know, making fun of the trope. So 142 00:09:18,365 --> 00:09:22,245 Speaker 1: now it's like this funny thing that is a lot 143 00:09:22,365 --> 00:09:25,325 Speaker 1: and I actually remember that scene from the Princess Bride. Also, 144 00:09:25,485 --> 00:09:27,685 Speaker 1: do you guys remember George of the Jungle. Yeah, I 145 00:09:27,725 --> 00:09:30,405 Speaker 1: want to watch that. Okay, I think they had quicksand too. 146 00:09:30,445 --> 00:09:33,125 Speaker 1: Also he was really hot, so like, yeah, people will 147 00:09:33,165 --> 00:09:35,405 Speaker 1: go out there, they're out there. There's like also there's 148 00:09:35,525 --> 00:09:38,565 Speaker 1: specific websites dedicated to this, and there was this like 149 00:09:39,165 --> 00:09:41,685 Speaker 1: and so in in the Vice documentary, it was like 150 00:09:41,725 --> 00:09:45,765 Speaker 1: showing or episode it was showing like these guys who 151 00:09:45,885 --> 00:09:51,725 Speaker 1: they specifically make sinking videos people, and like it's this 152 00:09:51,765 --> 00:09:54,205 Speaker 1: whole thing and they can also you can also like 153 00:09:54,685 --> 00:10:00,645 Speaker 1: rent out a quicksand little vat if you will. Ah 154 00:10:00,885 --> 00:10:04,085 Speaker 1: that oh like a big thing full of quicksand yeah, 155 00:10:04,125 --> 00:10:07,685 Speaker 1: so that you can whatever do whatever you know, sync 156 00:10:08,005 --> 00:10:12,005 Speaker 1: or I don't know, make videos. So yeah, it's just 157 00:10:12,045 --> 00:10:15,445 Speaker 1: like this whole, this pop culture thing that happened in 158 00:10:15,525 --> 00:10:18,525 Speaker 1: a time and then we've we're all afraid of it 159 00:10:18,725 --> 00:10:22,005 Speaker 1: because it became this like trope, but really, you know, 160 00:10:22,205 --> 00:10:26,445 Speaker 1: it's it's not that it's not that common, and we 161 00:10:26,485 --> 00:10:27,965 Speaker 1: all thought it was gonna be like this huge deal 162 00:10:27,965 --> 00:10:30,885 Speaker 1: and it's just not. It's really strange. Right, where did 163 00:10:30,925 --> 00:10:39,165 Speaker 1: you find out of curiosity? Where did you find these videos? Taylor? So, okay, 164 00:10:39,165 --> 00:10:45,285 Speaker 1: could you just like send me here for research post research? Well, okay, 165 00:10:45,325 --> 00:10:48,925 Speaker 1: I was looking up has anybody died from drowning in 166 00:10:49,245 --> 00:10:53,085 Speaker 1: or being stucked into quicksand and all of these other 167 00:10:53,125 --> 00:10:56,485 Speaker 1: things start popping up? What gotcha? It just it was like, 168 00:10:56,525 --> 00:11:01,285 Speaker 1: it's really obvious that it's like porn. Yeah. Oh, that's 169 00:11:01,325 --> 00:11:04,325 Speaker 1: like when I when we did the horse, the horse 170 00:11:04,405 --> 00:11:08,885 Speaker 1: fucking episode. Right when I googled beast reality, the first 171 00:11:08,885 --> 00:11:10,765 Speaker 1: things that come up. I just was trying to look 172 00:11:10,845 --> 00:11:12,925 Speaker 1: up like the Wikipedia page, but most of it it 173 00:11:13,045 --> 00:11:15,605 Speaker 1: was like porn sights, and I was like, wow, absolutely, 174 00:11:15,685 --> 00:11:18,405 Speaker 1: well yeah, and so another thing, one thing that actually 175 00:11:18,405 --> 00:11:21,045 Speaker 1: found really interesting was that a lot of people who 176 00:11:21,125 --> 00:11:24,925 Speaker 1: do the sinkers they find it really comforting, and it's 177 00:11:24,965 --> 00:11:28,645 Speaker 1: like kind of they were comparing it to furries of 178 00:11:28,645 --> 00:11:32,805 Speaker 1: how it's like comforting to like be surrounded by something 179 00:11:32,965 --> 00:11:35,765 Speaker 1: I don't know, yeah, or like a weighted blanket, but 180 00:11:35,845 --> 00:11:39,165 Speaker 1: it's a yeah, they should make like a snuggie that's 181 00:11:39,245 --> 00:11:43,285 Speaker 1: quick sand like a big sun like a sand box, 182 00:11:43,365 --> 00:11:45,805 Speaker 1: but it's like in a sleeping bag. I will say 183 00:11:45,965 --> 00:11:49,485 Speaker 1: I got a pedicure a couple weeks ago, and I, 184 00:11:49,725 --> 00:11:52,765 Speaker 1: you know, they give you the menu, yes, And I 185 00:11:52,805 --> 00:11:56,365 Speaker 1: saw this jelly thing. I was like yeah, I was 186 00:11:56,405 --> 00:11:58,445 Speaker 1: like what is that? And so I was like why not? 187 00:11:58,645 --> 00:12:01,845 Speaker 1: Like I was like, treat yourself and it was nice. 188 00:12:02,245 --> 00:12:05,645 Speaker 1: I like, your foot is like totally in case in 189 00:12:05,685 --> 00:12:09,525 Speaker 1: that jelly. It feels nice. It does feel nice. Anyway, 190 00:12:09,525 --> 00:12:12,765 Speaker 1: Thank you Taylor so much for giving us all of 191 00:12:12,765 --> 00:12:16,045 Speaker 1: this information about these tragic deaths or death. Yeah. I 192 00:12:16,085 --> 00:12:17,725 Speaker 1: was only one death, the guy, Yeah, the guy that 193 00:12:18,085 --> 00:12:21,125 Speaker 1: didn't die like everybody thought he did. And then turns 194 00:12:21,125 --> 00:12:23,005 Speaker 1: out he just pops back up and he's like, got 195 00:12:23,045 --> 00:12:25,285 Speaker 1: me a better camera. Well, thank you, Taylor. We will 196 00:12:25,325 --> 00:12:31,485 Speaker 1: be right back. Hi, we are back. Um. I you know, 197 00:12:33,165 --> 00:12:38,605 Speaker 1: our conversations in the commercials are just disgusting. Okay, as 198 00:12:38,645 --> 00:12:44,965 Speaker 1: Taylor mentioned them on Patreon funny um. Okay, So, as 199 00:12:45,045 --> 00:12:48,205 Speaker 1: Taylor mentioned, I also grew up worried about quicksand okay, 200 00:12:48,245 --> 00:12:51,045 Speaker 1: I was concerned. I was wondering when I was going 201 00:12:51,085 --> 00:12:54,205 Speaker 1: to have kind of my big Indiana Jones moment. And 202 00:12:54,725 --> 00:12:57,645 Speaker 1: to this day, I have actually never seen quicksand in 203 00:12:57,685 --> 00:13:00,125 Speaker 1: the flash, like I don't. I honestly didn't know what 204 00:13:00,125 --> 00:13:02,885 Speaker 1: it looked like until I saw these videos. Yeah, maybe 205 00:13:02,885 --> 00:13:05,845 Speaker 1: you don't go on enough adventures. I feel like you 206 00:13:05,925 --> 00:13:08,965 Speaker 1: need an adventure for the quicksand. I'm just saying, yeah, 207 00:13:09,045 --> 00:13:10,405 Speaker 1: I guess I need to match with a guy on 208 00:13:10,445 --> 00:13:14,325 Speaker 1: Tinder that's like, I love to adventure. I love adventures. 209 00:13:14,445 --> 00:13:19,525 Speaker 1: Beer and the office. Okay, I am a CEO of 210 00:13:19,565 --> 00:13:23,485 Speaker 1: my own company lift or I work at a startup 211 00:13:23,605 --> 00:13:27,925 Speaker 1: or something like that. Entrepreneur, Yeah, hang out and they 212 00:13:27,965 --> 00:13:31,765 Speaker 1: have an entrepreneur there. Okay. However, quicksand is an element 213 00:13:31,805 --> 00:13:33,765 Speaker 1: of nature and it is still out there, so we 214 00:13:33,805 --> 00:13:37,245 Speaker 1: have to be mindful. Maybe you listener, you know, have 215 00:13:37,365 --> 00:13:41,005 Speaker 1: anxiety over this phenomenon. Well, I am here to quell 216 00:13:41,085 --> 00:13:45,125 Speaker 1: your fears and your worries. I technically did not figure 217 00:13:45,165 --> 00:13:46,965 Speaker 1: it out, but a scientist did, and now I get 218 00:13:47,005 --> 00:13:50,085 Speaker 1: to explain his science badly, very excited about it. So 219 00:13:50,565 --> 00:13:53,365 Speaker 1: this guy's name and I feel like one time I 220 00:13:53,405 --> 00:13:55,765 Speaker 1: was called out because I said he when I was 221 00:13:55,805 --> 00:13:59,045 Speaker 1: referring to scientists and like in the plural and people. 222 00:13:59,045 --> 00:14:01,525 Speaker 1: Really science just can be women too, And I know that, 223 00:14:01,565 --> 00:14:05,285 Speaker 1: so I made sure to find out what pronounced this 224 00:14:05,565 --> 00:14:08,365 Speaker 1: person uses and they are he him. His name is 225 00:14:08,445 --> 00:14:11,565 Speaker 1: Daniel Is. His name is Daniel Bunn. He is a 226 00:14:11,565 --> 00:14:14,285 Speaker 1: professor at the University of Amsterdam, and he was visiting 227 00:14:14,285 --> 00:14:16,805 Speaker 1: Iran when he saw like a bunch of warning signs 228 00:14:16,845 --> 00:14:19,805 Speaker 1: near a lake that explained the dangers of quicksand okay, 229 00:14:20,165 --> 00:14:23,245 Speaker 1: and quicksand I mean, I think, as Taylor explained, it's 230 00:14:23,245 --> 00:14:25,765 Speaker 1: really just wet sand. And when the sand is too wet, 231 00:14:25,765 --> 00:14:29,125 Speaker 1: what happens science is there's very little friction between them, 232 00:14:29,325 --> 00:14:31,565 Speaker 1: which causes the sand to not be able to support 233 00:14:31,605 --> 00:14:37,005 Speaker 1: any weight. It's normally found in rivers, as Taylor's story explained, 234 00:14:37,405 --> 00:14:40,325 Speaker 1: and can also sometimes happen after an earthquake because water 235 00:14:40,725 --> 00:14:43,405 Speaker 1: is released from like underground reservoirs, which honestly is kind 236 00:14:43,405 --> 00:14:45,245 Speaker 1: of scary. Can I just say, when I was a kid, 237 00:14:45,285 --> 00:14:48,685 Speaker 1: I legitimately thought you'd be like walking down like in 238 00:14:48,725 --> 00:14:51,645 Speaker 1: the jungle, as we find ourselves in the jungle, and 239 00:14:51,685 --> 00:14:53,765 Speaker 1: then all of a sudden you'd be walking thinking that 240 00:14:53,845 --> 00:14:55,685 Speaker 1: it was ground, but then it was just stand and 241 00:14:55,685 --> 00:14:59,445 Speaker 1: then as sucked in. Well, but here's my question. Is 242 00:14:59,445 --> 00:15:02,765 Speaker 1: it that quicksand is not, you know, that popular out 243 00:15:02,805 --> 00:15:04,725 Speaker 1: there and we were tricked, or is it that we 244 00:15:04,805 --> 00:15:07,205 Speaker 1: honestly just don't walk around of the jungle enough. No, 245 00:15:07,445 --> 00:15:09,885 Speaker 1: it's it's just that's what we thought it was. But 246 00:15:09,965 --> 00:15:12,645 Speaker 1: that's not what it is. But if you're like in 247 00:15:12,685 --> 00:15:14,805 Speaker 1: a jungle near a river, that actually could be a 248 00:15:14,805 --> 00:15:17,405 Speaker 1: big possibility. Yeah, but I thought it was like literally 249 00:15:17,405 --> 00:15:20,285 Speaker 1: like in the like randomly just like walking down the 250 00:15:20,525 --> 00:15:23,165 Speaker 1: you know, or like randomly walking in the desert. But 251 00:15:23,205 --> 00:15:25,485 Speaker 1: then again, how many times why did I think in 252 00:15:25,485 --> 00:15:26,725 Speaker 1: my adult life that I was going to be walking 253 00:15:26,725 --> 00:15:29,405 Speaker 1: around the desert? All of it exactly the same. I 254 00:15:29,565 --> 00:15:33,365 Speaker 1: was really worried though. Okay, well, thank thank you for sharing. 255 00:15:34,205 --> 00:15:36,045 Speaker 1: Our lives are just not as good as we thought 256 00:15:36,045 --> 00:15:37,165 Speaker 1: they were going to be. I thought I was going 257 00:15:37,245 --> 00:15:39,645 Speaker 1: to be in the desert. I mean no, I mean 258 00:15:39,685 --> 00:15:45,725 Speaker 1: honestly calls playing as a cactie anyway. That reminds me 259 00:15:45,805 --> 00:15:48,445 Speaker 1: of another fetish of people who like just want to 260 00:15:48,485 --> 00:15:56,165 Speaker 1: be objects. Okay, okay, I have some links for that too. Okay, 261 00:15:56,325 --> 00:15:59,805 Speaker 1: So he talked to some locals about these signs, He's 262 00:15:59,845 --> 00:16:01,885 Speaker 1: warning signs, and he found out that they were all 263 00:16:01,925 --> 00:16:04,565 Speaker 1: super cautious and scared of quicksand, because apparently there was 264 00:16:04,565 --> 00:16:06,365 Speaker 1: a lot of quicksand in the air area. So he 265 00:16:06,445 --> 00:16:08,605 Speaker 1: was like, I'm going to take a sample. I was 266 00:16:08,605 --> 00:16:10,045 Speaker 1: about to do an accent, but there's no way I'm 267 00:16:10,045 --> 00:16:13,405 Speaker 1: doing an accent. Nope. He went back to the Netherlands 268 00:16:13,605 --> 00:16:16,525 Speaker 1: when he replicated the composition of his sample. Ready to 269 00:16:16,565 --> 00:16:19,725 Speaker 1: experiment with quicksand and see how dangerous it really is. 270 00:16:20,365 --> 00:16:23,325 Speaker 1: Spoiler alert, It is actually not that bad, but it 271 00:16:23,525 --> 00:16:25,805 Speaker 1: is impressive, Okay, I will say that. So the sand 272 00:16:25,845 --> 00:16:28,285 Speaker 1: cannot hold any weight at all, and what an object 273 00:16:28,365 --> 00:16:31,445 Speaker 1: is introduced on top of it? He mentions, it's kind 274 00:16:31,445 --> 00:16:34,565 Speaker 1: of like toppling, like a stack of oranges. So the 275 00:16:34,605 --> 00:16:36,325 Speaker 1: moment that something sits on top of it, it it creates 276 00:16:36,405 --> 00:16:39,405 Speaker 1: downward momentum that can be really hard to stop. If 277 00:16:39,405 --> 00:16:42,245 Speaker 1: you're like halfway into quicksand and the force is still 278 00:16:42,325 --> 00:16:44,525 Speaker 1: pulling you down, Trying to get a foot out would 279 00:16:44,525 --> 00:16:46,925 Speaker 1: require the strength needed to lift a medium sized car, 280 00:16:47,085 --> 00:16:50,965 Speaker 1: which is pretty bananas. That is intense. So that's impressive 281 00:16:51,005 --> 00:16:54,165 Speaker 1: in a way. However, staying still and just kind of 282 00:16:54,165 --> 00:16:56,765 Speaker 1: waiting things out is usually what works. So what you 283 00:16:56,805 --> 00:16:59,245 Speaker 1: do is you allow the particles to settle and then 284 00:16:59,685 --> 00:17:04,125 Speaker 1: buoyancy rises you to the top of the sand and 285 00:17:04,525 --> 00:17:07,045 Speaker 1: that's it. And that's like you just get rearranged. So 286 00:17:07,125 --> 00:17:11,645 Speaker 1: the only human danger rearranged. Yeah, all of your atoms 287 00:17:11,645 --> 00:17:14,525 Speaker 1: get rearranged, and but you become a I don't know 288 00:17:14,565 --> 00:17:19,525 Speaker 1: what would be a sand creature. Man. Yeah, that's like 289 00:17:19,525 --> 00:17:22,525 Speaker 1: a real creature. Or is that the thing in that 290 00:17:22,685 --> 00:17:26,685 Speaker 1: one Terrible Spider Man movie? I think so. Also, there 291 00:17:26,765 --> 00:17:33,165 Speaker 1: is that songs mister san you know you can't sing 292 00:17:33,205 --> 00:17:34,805 Speaker 1: that song. We don't have the rights to it. We're 293 00:17:34,845 --> 00:17:39,325 Speaker 1: gonna get sued deason this as they're gonna like shoot 294 00:17:39,365 --> 00:17:42,325 Speaker 1: me from like the sharpshooters that they have around. Yes, okay, 295 00:17:42,605 --> 00:17:45,565 Speaker 1: oh that's I was just thinking about executions because of 296 00:17:45,565 --> 00:17:48,605 Speaker 1: the next tangent. Anyway, Yes, you do, you get rearranged, okay, 297 00:17:48,645 --> 00:17:50,885 Speaker 1: and you don't become a stand creature. You stay your 298 00:17:50,885 --> 00:17:53,845 Speaker 1: normal self. You just get floated up to the top 299 00:17:53,885 --> 00:17:58,645 Speaker 1: because of science. Okay, the light to space Okay, last 300 00:17:58,725 --> 00:18:02,485 Speaker 1: dance exactly, thank you, Taylor, Oh my god, do you 301 00:18:02,525 --> 00:18:07,765 Speaker 1: lose weight when you're in quick soon new diet. The 302 00:18:07,925 --> 00:18:11,525 Speaker 1: only human danger that he mentioned is that if someone 303 00:18:11,565 --> 00:18:13,965 Speaker 1: gets stuck in front of a body of water, which 304 00:18:14,045 --> 00:18:15,725 Speaker 1: happens a lot because there's a lot of quicksand in 305 00:18:15,725 --> 00:18:18,965 Speaker 1: front of bodies of water during high tide, then they 306 00:18:18,965 --> 00:18:21,445 Speaker 1: can drown because they cannot move, which I'm sure is 307 00:18:21,485 --> 00:18:25,805 Speaker 1: probably what happened to last the last guy. Yes, I 308 00:18:25,845 --> 00:18:28,005 Speaker 1: watched this video where um, this British guy not a 309 00:18:28,045 --> 00:18:29,565 Speaker 1: sexy video, which kind of makes me sound like, what 310 00:18:29,565 --> 00:18:32,245 Speaker 1: the funk? Where are the sexy videos? Okay, we're this guy, 311 00:18:32,365 --> 00:18:37,805 Speaker 1: this British guy not sexy. Umi is not sexy. Yeah, 312 00:18:38,085 --> 00:18:40,605 Speaker 1: he visited this place full of quicksand areas and his 313 00:18:40,645 --> 00:18:43,605 Speaker 1: whole thing was like, okay, can you get out of 314 00:18:43,645 --> 00:18:46,005 Speaker 1: quick sound, I'm gonna get it in a fine out. 315 00:18:46,525 --> 00:18:50,645 Speaker 1: And the way when you called us xenophobic last episode 316 00:18:50,725 --> 00:18:53,245 Speaker 1: for doing British accents and then you're also like, yeah, 317 00:18:53,325 --> 00:18:57,125 Speaker 1: they're all disgusting and here's an accent. Hey, I never 318 00:18:57,205 --> 00:18:59,805 Speaker 1: said they were all discussing. I said he specifically I 319 00:18:59,845 --> 00:19:03,205 Speaker 1: was not attracted to. Okay, Okay, there are a lot 320 00:19:03,245 --> 00:19:05,085 Speaker 1: of British guys that are hot. I don't I don't want, 321 00:19:05,125 --> 00:19:07,605 Speaker 1: I don't want to hear that. And also the accent, 322 00:19:08,005 --> 00:19:11,365 Speaker 1: is it a little bit like I added more inflections maybe, 323 00:19:11,445 --> 00:19:14,365 Speaker 1: but honestly, fucking look up this video. He actually sounds 324 00:19:14,405 --> 00:19:19,125 Speaker 1: like that. Okay, okay, I'm sorry, you're doing it for accuracy. 325 00:19:19,165 --> 00:19:23,485 Speaker 1: I was calling you out before I realize you. Oh 326 00:19:23,605 --> 00:19:28,205 Speaker 1: my gosh, exactly. So he so he did that, and 327 00:19:28,245 --> 00:19:31,485 Speaker 1: they literally it was just funny because they had to 328 00:19:31,565 --> 00:19:34,325 Speaker 1: make like quicksand look terrifying, and so they did like 329 00:19:34,325 --> 00:19:36,645 Speaker 1: a lot of jump cuts and quick zoom ins, and 330 00:19:36,965 --> 00:19:39,325 Speaker 1: at one point he grabs the quicksand and throws it 331 00:19:39,365 --> 00:19:41,205 Speaker 1: on the ground and then they do like rock music 332 00:19:41,245 --> 00:19:43,045 Speaker 1: in the middle of it, which I thought was hilarious 333 00:19:43,085 --> 00:19:45,005 Speaker 1: and it was delightful. But it is pretty scary though, 334 00:19:45,045 --> 00:19:47,205 Speaker 1: because he was sinking and he said that he couldn't 335 00:19:47,205 --> 00:19:48,885 Speaker 1: move his legs at all, and it took eight only 336 00:19:48,925 --> 00:19:51,125 Speaker 1: eight minutes for him to sink to his waist, which 337 00:19:51,165 --> 00:19:53,445 Speaker 1: was kind of scary. I feel like it should be 338 00:19:53,485 --> 00:19:57,285 Speaker 1: called like kind of quicksand or something, you know. Yeah, yeah, 339 00:19:58,405 --> 00:20:03,485 Speaker 1: medium paste sand Yeah. So that's it. I mean, honestly, 340 00:20:03,565 --> 00:20:06,525 Speaker 1: I don't think we have anything really to worry about necessarily, 341 00:20:07,005 --> 00:20:10,125 Speaker 1: it's just a patience, you know, a waiting game. I 342 00:20:10,165 --> 00:20:12,085 Speaker 1: think virgos would have a great time with quick sand 343 00:20:12,085 --> 00:20:13,965 Speaker 1: because they're trying to be more patient. I think Aries 344 00:20:14,005 --> 00:20:16,645 Speaker 1: and Gemini y'all are goners. I don't know what to 345 00:20:16,685 --> 00:20:22,205 Speaker 1: tell you, Like, could you just keep going down forever? Though? No? No, no, 346 00:20:22,365 --> 00:20:27,965 Speaker 1: because your body is less dense than the sand. That's 347 00:20:27,965 --> 00:20:31,445 Speaker 1: a correct right tailor? Yeah, yeah, like I was reading 348 00:20:31,445 --> 00:20:33,165 Speaker 1: to another way to come. But if you got a 349 00:20:33,205 --> 00:20:36,325 Speaker 1: fat ass, but your lungs, it's because of your lungs. 350 00:20:36,925 --> 00:20:40,285 Speaker 1: So your lungs have more air, you know, because it's 351 00:20:40,285 --> 00:20:45,125 Speaker 1: not your breath. Well, if you give me. But yeah, 352 00:20:45,125 --> 00:20:47,685 Speaker 1: I can tell you about something. I can talk about 353 00:20:47,725 --> 00:20:55,085 Speaker 1: something else. Thank you quickly, slow sand Um. Okay, well, 354 00:20:55,245 --> 00:20:59,885 Speaker 1: more men's but we're talking about them, so let's start 355 00:20:59,885 --> 00:21:03,365 Speaker 1: at the beginning. Okay, more men's. They were doing stuff 356 00:21:03,805 --> 00:21:06,525 Speaker 1: if you recall back in the nighteeenth century, that's when 357 00:21:06,525 --> 00:21:10,085 Speaker 1: they kind of started getting going. This dude Joseph Smith 358 00:21:10,165 --> 00:21:13,245 Speaker 1: was like Mormons, and they're like, yes, yas queen were 359 00:21:13,285 --> 00:21:17,205 Speaker 1: Mormons now and they why, Like, I don't why does 360 00:21:17,285 --> 00:21:19,085 Speaker 1: someone just sit down and are like I want to 361 00:21:19,085 --> 00:21:24,205 Speaker 1: create a whole new culture. Laugh today. Here's the thing. 362 00:21:25,045 --> 00:21:27,045 Speaker 1: I don't know why I starred with this, because I 363 00:21:27,085 --> 00:21:31,165 Speaker 1: honestly didn't really research anything about the origins of Mormonism. 364 00:21:31,165 --> 00:21:34,485 Speaker 1: Just at some point they all went to what is 365 00:21:34,525 --> 00:21:37,805 Speaker 1: now Utah because they got kicked out of other places 366 00:21:37,845 --> 00:21:40,565 Speaker 1: because they were a little violent, and you know, they 367 00:21:40,605 --> 00:21:44,445 Speaker 1: hated they literally they thought they were other people. They 368 00:21:44,445 --> 00:21:47,565 Speaker 1: were like, we are not Americans, and they just hated Americans. 369 00:21:48,005 --> 00:21:52,125 Speaker 1: So they went to Utah. So they went to Utah. 370 00:21:52,205 --> 00:21:56,525 Speaker 1: The territory of Utah supposed to be really pretty yes, 371 00:21:56,965 --> 00:22:00,845 Speaker 1: and you can have as many wives as you desire 372 00:22:01,285 --> 00:22:04,485 Speaker 1: there at this time if you were a Mormon and 373 00:22:04,605 --> 00:22:07,245 Speaker 1: not adhering to the laws of the United States of America. 374 00:22:07,485 --> 00:22:10,165 Speaker 1: So is it illegal to have multiple wives under the 375 00:22:10,285 --> 00:22:15,925 Speaker 1: US government? Wife can only legally marry one person. Okay, 376 00:22:15,965 --> 00:22:19,485 Speaker 1: I'm not a Mormon, but that's kind of dumb. Well, 377 00:22:19,525 --> 00:22:22,005 Speaker 1: that's the next thing, you know, that's the slippery slope 378 00:22:22,005 --> 00:22:24,165 Speaker 1: of gay marriage. Soon people are just gonna be marrying 379 00:22:24,165 --> 00:22:31,525 Speaker 1: you know, many people and horses right right right over there. 380 00:22:31,565 --> 00:22:34,765 Speaker 1: I had to do it. I had to do it. Okay, goat, 381 00:22:34,885 --> 00:22:38,485 Speaker 1: we keep going, Okay, so let's forget the origin story 382 00:22:38,485 --> 00:22:40,965 Speaker 1: of Mormonism and let's skip forward a little bit to 383 00:22:41,125 --> 00:22:45,885 Speaker 1: eighteen fifty seven. Okay, at this point, the governor of Utah, 384 00:22:45,885 --> 00:22:50,165 Speaker 1: because it's just basically a theocracy, is Brigham Young. And 385 00:22:50,285 --> 00:22:58,085 Speaker 1: he was a zany dude. Okay, he said lots of 386 00:22:58,165 --> 00:23:02,085 Speaker 1: crazy things. He was the one who said he talked 387 00:23:02,125 --> 00:23:05,125 Speaker 1: about blood atonement. He was saying that there's certain crimes 388 00:23:05,125 --> 00:23:08,845 Speaker 1: that are too bad that the blood of Christ cannot 389 00:23:08,885 --> 00:23:11,245 Speaker 1: atone for your sins. So basically what you have to 390 00:23:11,285 --> 00:23:13,125 Speaker 1: do they would be and you know those terrible things 391 00:23:13,125 --> 00:23:16,925 Speaker 1: like you know, killing somebody else, hurting children, or having 392 00:23:16,965 --> 00:23:23,765 Speaker 1: an interracial marriage, to which he proposed the only way 393 00:23:23,765 --> 00:23:26,525 Speaker 1: to escape that sin and you know, get to the beyond. 394 00:23:27,405 --> 00:23:29,485 Speaker 1: The blood atonement was like, if you committed any of 395 00:23:29,485 --> 00:23:32,525 Speaker 1: these sins, you needed to willingly spill your own blood 396 00:23:32,525 --> 00:23:37,085 Speaker 1: and die in order to get to the kingdom or whatever. 397 00:23:37,485 --> 00:23:41,685 Speaker 1: So not just self harm or like lash yourself like 398 00:23:41,725 --> 00:23:46,925 Speaker 1: some Catholics, but actually murder, like kill yourself and literally 399 00:23:47,005 --> 00:23:50,365 Speaker 1: spilling blood. So like, he supported the capital punishment in 400 00:23:50,445 --> 00:23:53,205 Speaker 1: that regard of like, and that is why he did, 401 00:23:53,325 --> 00:23:58,925 Speaker 1: I think very briefly a approved capital punishment was beheading. 402 00:23:59,685 --> 00:24:02,365 Speaker 1: Oh um. And then also Nika's going to be talking 403 00:24:02,405 --> 00:24:05,965 Speaker 1: more about firing squads, but firing squads was another one 404 00:24:06,125 --> 00:24:08,205 Speaker 1: that was popular because that's like those are the very 405 00:24:08,245 --> 00:24:11,325 Speaker 1: bloody deaths, you know, like other deaths less bloody, but 406 00:24:11,365 --> 00:24:15,445 Speaker 1: you literally needed to spill your blood. And especially for 407 00:24:15,485 --> 00:24:18,365 Speaker 1: interracial marriage. He was saying that you need to be beheaded, 408 00:24:18,405 --> 00:24:21,285 Speaker 1: and you also need your children to be beheaded children. 409 00:24:21,605 --> 00:24:24,845 Speaker 1: I laughed because it's so fucking crazy that anyone would 410 00:24:24,885 --> 00:24:26,405 Speaker 1: ever say that, But I do want to say that, 411 00:24:26,485 --> 00:24:31,045 Speaker 1: like that is extremely fucked up and yeah, absolutely insane. Yeah, 412 00:24:31,205 --> 00:24:34,765 Speaker 1: a man with the bloodtoement. They say like it was 413 00:24:34,925 --> 00:24:39,725 Speaker 1: never actually practice, but there are like a couple instances 414 00:24:39,805 --> 00:24:42,045 Speaker 1: where it was like this might have been blood atoement, 415 00:24:42,085 --> 00:24:44,365 Speaker 1: but I think it was just you know, racism. That 416 00:24:44,485 --> 00:24:48,925 Speaker 1: was probably more accurate to describe it, um disguised as 417 00:24:48,965 --> 00:24:52,845 Speaker 1: like trying to save you save your soul students sane. Yeah, 418 00:24:53,285 --> 00:24:57,005 Speaker 1: were they actually doing it? No, there's no like proven 419 00:24:57,285 --> 00:25:02,045 Speaker 1: blood atonement, but this was just like created sort of 420 00:25:02,045 --> 00:25:07,085 Speaker 1: this very violent, sort of hysterical atmosphere in Utah. So 421 00:25:07,645 --> 00:25:11,565 Speaker 1: in eighteen fifty seven, what was happening was the US 422 00:25:11,685 --> 00:25:15,925 Speaker 1: Army was supposedly headed towards Utah to basically a usurp 423 00:25:16,205 --> 00:25:20,605 Speaker 1: Brigham Young as the governor because they really didn't approve of, 424 00:25:20,645 --> 00:25:23,325 Speaker 1: you know, polygamy and stuff like that. And it was 425 00:25:23,365 --> 00:25:24,845 Speaker 1: just a lot of things were going on for the 426 00:25:24,965 --> 00:25:28,885 Speaker 1: Utah people because the US Army might have been coming. Also, 427 00:25:29,085 --> 00:25:32,925 Speaker 1: one of their apostles had just been murdered in Arkansas. 428 00:25:33,405 --> 00:25:36,765 Speaker 1: And then also, you know, he had twenty wives, so 429 00:25:37,165 --> 00:25:40,005 Speaker 1: you know, ladies last shot, so you have to that's 430 00:25:40,045 --> 00:25:44,405 Speaker 1: probably stressful to have that many wives, maybe more than 431 00:25:44,445 --> 00:25:47,085 Speaker 1: fifty children. That's a lot. He had a lot on 432 00:25:47,125 --> 00:25:48,965 Speaker 1: his plate, you know. So they were just like there's 433 00:25:49,005 --> 00:25:51,925 Speaker 1: just this atmosphere of like they hated the Americans and 434 00:25:51,965 --> 00:25:55,365 Speaker 1: they're just like, we fucking like we can't trust anybody, 435 00:25:55,445 --> 00:25:57,565 Speaker 1: like if anyone comes through Utah, like they have to 436 00:25:57,605 --> 00:26:00,085 Speaker 1: have like a pass and they have to like you 437 00:26:00,125 --> 00:26:03,125 Speaker 1: don't trade with outsiders. They just like they hated everyone 438 00:26:03,165 --> 00:26:05,085 Speaker 1: because they were under they thought they were under siege 439 00:26:05,125 --> 00:26:07,405 Speaker 1: from like all sides and everyone. But they did have 440 00:26:07,445 --> 00:26:09,885 Speaker 1: like kind of an interesting relationship with the Native Americans 441 00:26:09,885 --> 00:26:13,565 Speaker 1: in that area. They were the pie outs and so 442 00:26:13,605 --> 00:26:15,765 Speaker 1: they kind of i feel like they had a very 443 00:26:15,845 --> 00:26:18,485 Speaker 1: like US versus Them sort of thing with the Native 444 00:26:18,485 --> 00:26:20,885 Speaker 1: Americans where they're like, here, we have to band together 445 00:26:20,925 --> 00:26:23,005 Speaker 1: to kind of fight the Americans and any other like 446 00:26:23,045 --> 00:26:25,525 Speaker 1: immigrants who were going to be trying to come through Utah. 447 00:26:25,565 --> 00:26:27,725 Speaker 1: So they kind of like they would trade and I 448 00:26:27,765 --> 00:26:31,325 Speaker 1: don't know just they It was like a complicated relationship. 449 00:26:31,485 --> 00:26:35,005 Speaker 1: But so what happens though, is there is this caravan 450 00:26:35,125 --> 00:26:38,285 Speaker 1: that's coming through Utah. It's coming from Arkansas, and it's 451 00:26:38,925 --> 00:26:42,085 Speaker 1: about somewhere between one hundred and two hundred people, and 452 00:26:42,085 --> 00:26:45,085 Speaker 1: they're trying to get to California because obviously you want 453 00:26:45,085 --> 00:26:47,845 Speaker 1: to leave Arkansas. Who needs a reason, you know, California. 454 00:26:48,005 --> 00:26:50,845 Speaker 1: They're just like, ah, yes, beautiful land, we can go there. 455 00:26:50,845 --> 00:26:53,005 Speaker 1: And at this point, everyone in America is kind of 456 00:26:53,045 --> 00:26:56,085 Speaker 1: like or whatever we conceptualize as America. At that point, 457 00:26:56,525 --> 00:26:59,325 Speaker 1: people were just like, yeah, we want big spaces and 458 00:26:59,405 --> 00:27:01,845 Speaker 1: we want room and shit. So everyone was like moving 459 00:27:01,845 --> 00:27:04,405 Speaker 1: out west, and so that's what they were trying to do. 460 00:27:04,525 --> 00:27:06,565 Speaker 1: So they're just this care event that was going through 461 00:27:06,765 --> 00:27:10,805 Speaker 1: and unfortunately they are coming through right when there's all 462 00:27:10,845 --> 00:27:13,685 Speaker 1: this kind of like hysteria that's going on in Utah 463 00:27:13,685 --> 00:27:15,845 Speaker 1: amongst the Mormons, who are just like everyone's trying to 464 00:27:15,925 --> 00:27:19,325 Speaker 1: attack us, and there's all these rumors that are starting 465 00:27:19,325 --> 00:27:21,965 Speaker 1: that are like, oh, all these people they're like poisoning 466 00:27:21,965 --> 00:27:24,645 Speaker 1: our wells and they're like stealing our food, and they're 467 00:27:24,645 --> 00:27:28,205 Speaker 1: just like all these these Arkansas people suck and all this. 468 00:27:28,325 --> 00:27:31,045 Speaker 1: But historians have like, there's is no evidence to say 469 00:27:31,085 --> 00:27:34,245 Speaker 1: that they were being like antagonistic at all towards the Mormons. 470 00:27:35,005 --> 00:27:37,365 Speaker 1: And there's this guy named John Lee, and he was 471 00:27:37,525 --> 00:27:39,885 Speaker 1: part of the dan Nites, which was kind of like 472 00:27:39,925 --> 00:27:43,965 Speaker 1: a very aggressive, violent secret sect of the Mormons who 473 00:27:44,045 --> 00:27:46,045 Speaker 1: kind of were there to protect Mormons. And he also 474 00:27:46,125 --> 00:27:48,405 Speaker 1: like he was the head of a militia that was 475 00:27:48,485 --> 00:27:52,005 Speaker 1: kind of in this area that the caravan was going through. 476 00:27:52,125 --> 00:27:55,125 Speaker 1: So the caravan, and I think it's like in September, 477 00:27:55,245 --> 00:27:59,365 Speaker 1: they set off an April of eighteen fifty seven, eighteen 478 00:27:59,405 --> 00:28:03,085 Speaker 1: fifty seven, they go to you know, they're traveling basically 479 00:28:03,085 --> 00:28:06,205 Speaker 1: fifteen hundred miles. They go through Salt Lake City, it's September, 480 00:28:06,645 --> 00:28:12,445 Speaker 1: and then they go by this crik called Mountain Meadows. Yeah, 481 00:28:12,485 --> 00:28:15,645 Speaker 1: and there's a valley there and at this point, no one, 482 00:28:16,285 --> 00:28:20,925 Speaker 1: no one really knows exactly why this happened, but John 483 00:28:21,005 --> 00:28:26,285 Speaker 1: Lee he teamed up with some of the Paiutes and 484 00:28:26,405 --> 00:28:30,045 Speaker 1: they attacked the caravan. And also it was mostly the 485 00:28:30,205 --> 00:28:33,925 Speaker 1: white Mormons, but they disguised themselves as Native Americans so 486 00:28:33,965 --> 00:28:37,325 Speaker 1: that the Arkansas caravan wouldn't know that it was like 487 00:28:37,365 --> 00:28:41,405 Speaker 1: the Mormons. So they attacked and they started for a 488 00:28:41,445 --> 00:28:44,205 Speaker 1: couple of days they were just shooting them and killing people. 489 00:28:44,605 --> 00:28:46,765 Speaker 1: And then the caravan what they did is they like 490 00:28:46,845 --> 00:28:48,405 Speaker 1: kind of got in a circle to like kind of 491 00:28:48,405 --> 00:28:49,885 Speaker 1: block the siege, and they were like kind of like 492 00:28:49,925 --> 00:28:54,845 Speaker 1: fighting back. And then John Lee was like, well, guys, okay, 493 00:28:54,885 --> 00:28:57,645 Speaker 1: they might figure out that we're actually just Mormons, and 494 00:28:57,645 --> 00:29:00,045 Speaker 1: then they're going to fucking tell the US Army and 495 00:29:00,125 --> 00:29:02,365 Speaker 1: like the President, and they're going to come get us. 496 00:29:02,365 --> 00:29:04,365 Speaker 1: So we need to kill all of them. Obviously, we 497 00:29:04,445 --> 00:29:09,605 Speaker 1: need everyone to be dead. Yeah, And so you know, 498 00:29:09,645 --> 00:29:12,405 Speaker 1: they get out of their Native American garb and they 499 00:29:12,605 --> 00:29:16,165 Speaker 1: go into the encampment with like a white flag being like, hey, here, 500 00:29:16,285 --> 00:29:18,485 Speaker 1: it's us, the Mormons. We've come here to help you 501 00:29:18,525 --> 00:29:20,765 Speaker 1: and save you. If you give us all of your 502 00:29:20,765 --> 00:29:25,285 Speaker 1: cattle and all of your belongings, we'll Native Americans as 503 00:29:25,405 --> 00:29:30,205 Speaker 1: like the blame yep, all right, okay, tracks yeah, so 504 00:29:30,765 --> 00:29:33,765 Speaker 1: they're saying, yeah, the Native Americans, they're attacking you. It's 505 00:29:33,805 --> 00:29:41,565 Speaker 1: not us, say crazy and so but they're like, yeah, well, 506 00:29:41,605 --> 00:29:44,765 Speaker 1: we'll escort you if you just give us all your stuff. 507 00:29:44,925 --> 00:29:47,525 Speaker 1: And so they're like, okay, that's fine because you know, 508 00:29:47,565 --> 00:29:50,205 Speaker 1: everyone's injured and we're having a bad, bad time. And 509 00:29:50,245 --> 00:29:52,965 Speaker 1: so they separate the women and children from the men, 510 00:29:53,285 --> 00:29:55,245 Speaker 1: and then the women and children are escorted in the 511 00:29:55,285 --> 00:29:59,365 Speaker 1: caravan over out of the valley. And once they get 512 00:29:59,365 --> 00:30:01,325 Speaker 1: out of the valley, there's all these people. They're all 513 00:30:01,325 --> 00:30:04,365 Speaker 1: these Mormons who then slaughter them all kill them with 514 00:30:04,805 --> 00:30:08,765 Speaker 1: They shoot the and they bludgeoned them and stabbed them 515 00:30:08,925 --> 00:30:12,005 Speaker 1: and then all I'm so sorry. I thought that when 516 00:30:12,125 --> 00:30:14,845 Speaker 1: they were like white flagging, they meant it like they 517 00:30:14,845 --> 00:30:18,685 Speaker 1: were actually white. No, well, they needed to kill them all. 518 00:30:18,685 --> 00:30:21,445 Speaker 1: So they went to the US it's not honorable. And 519 00:30:21,485 --> 00:30:24,085 Speaker 1: then all the men who were there, it was John Lear, 520 00:30:24,165 --> 00:30:29,765 Speaker 1: it was someone else, said do your duty, and they 521 00:30:29,805 --> 00:30:32,245 Speaker 1: shot all the men in the head for the most part. 522 00:30:32,925 --> 00:30:35,965 Speaker 1: So one hundred and twenty people were killed. And this 523 00:30:36,165 --> 00:30:43,205 Speaker 1: was on September eleventh, the first September eleven. So, I mean, 524 00:30:43,205 --> 00:30:45,125 Speaker 1: this is a pretty bleak story. It was it is 525 00:30:45,165 --> 00:30:49,205 Speaker 1: called the Mountain Meadows Massacre. How did it come out? Like? 526 00:30:49,565 --> 00:30:52,365 Speaker 1: Who told the story? I guess if no one survived? Well, 527 00:30:52,405 --> 00:30:55,165 Speaker 1: what they did? So they killed probably like a dozen women. 528 00:30:55,205 --> 00:30:57,725 Speaker 1: Then they said three dozen children and the restroomen that 529 00:30:57,765 --> 00:31:02,205 Speaker 1: they killed, but they didn't kill seventeen kids who looked 530 00:31:02,245 --> 00:31:04,805 Speaker 1: like they were under the age of five ish, so 531 00:31:04,965 --> 00:31:08,205 Speaker 1: that because they wouldn't remember. And then weirdly, those kids 532 00:31:08,205 --> 00:31:09,765 Speaker 1: were then sent to live with some of the people 533 00:31:09,765 --> 00:31:12,605 Speaker 1: who had like participated in the slaughter, and then they 534 00:31:12,605 --> 00:31:14,725 Speaker 1: were sent eventually sent back to their families. But I 535 00:31:14,765 --> 00:31:17,325 Speaker 1: mean some of them did remember. But at first yeah, 536 00:31:17,405 --> 00:31:19,805 Speaker 1: I mean they like people heard about it, and at 537 00:31:19,845 --> 00:31:22,085 Speaker 1: first they were like, no, the Native Americans did it, okay, 538 00:31:22,205 --> 00:31:25,245 Speaker 1: But then the US Army did come by a year 539 00:31:25,365 --> 00:31:28,165 Speaker 1: later and they kind of did an investigation, and then 540 00:31:28,205 --> 00:31:31,085 Speaker 1: the Mormons were like, a, actually it was John Lee. 541 00:31:31,165 --> 00:31:33,125 Speaker 1: It was all him. He did it all. He like 542 00:31:33,245 --> 00:31:36,965 Speaker 1: led the militia. It's his fault. So John Lee he 543 00:31:37,005 --> 00:31:39,805 Speaker 1: goes through two trials. They got a little postponed because 544 00:31:39,845 --> 00:31:42,205 Speaker 1: of the Civil War, and in the second trial in 545 00:31:42,245 --> 00:31:46,245 Speaker 1: eighteen seventy seven, they sentenced him to death and he 546 00:31:46,365 --> 00:31:49,845 Speaker 1: was just like, bros, your scapegoating me, Like it wasn't me. 547 00:31:49,965 --> 00:31:51,765 Speaker 1: I didn't do it. And he like even wrote down 548 00:31:51,805 --> 00:31:54,925 Speaker 1: that Brigham Young, you know, the blood Atonement dude, who 549 00:31:54,965 --> 00:31:57,405 Speaker 1: was the governor at the time, he actually gave a 550 00:31:57,485 --> 00:32:01,685 Speaker 1: direct order to him to lead this militia and kill 551 00:32:01,725 --> 00:32:05,525 Speaker 1: all these people. So and there's been like in the 552 00:32:05,525 --> 00:32:08,285 Speaker 1: past like thirty years, there's been like multiple books of 553 00:32:08,365 --> 00:32:10,845 Speaker 1: which people have written about like who's kind of to blame, 554 00:32:10,965 --> 00:32:12,805 Speaker 1: Like it definitely seems it was just like a very 555 00:32:13,325 --> 00:32:16,325 Speaker 1: people say hysterical. It was just like a hysterical period 556 00:32:16,765 --> 00:32:18,885 Speaker 1: in Utah just because they thought they were being attacked 557 00:32:18,885 --> 00:32:20,645 Speaker 1: all the time. So they're just like, if anyone's coming 558 00:32:20,645 --> 00:32:22,925 Speaker 1: through our space, we had to fucking kill them. And 559 00:32:23,045 --> 00:32:25,685 Speaker 1: also these people were from Arkansas, and there was even 560 00:32:25,725 --> 00:32:28,365 Speaker 1: like a rumor planted where they're just like, actually one 561 00:32:28,405 --> 00:32:31,085 Speaker 1: of the people in that caravan killed our apostle, and 562 00:32:31,125 --> 00:32:33,285 Speaker 1: so there was just like all this shit that wasn't true, 563 00:32:33,325 --> 00:32:36,325 Speaker 1: and it was just kind of like it's spiraled very 564 00:32:36,365 --> 00:32:40,205 Speaker 1: badly out of control. Yeah, okay, I would say, so yeah, 565 00:32:40,245 --> 00:32:44,645 Speaker 1: and so John Lee he gets sentenced to firing squad 566 00:32:44,685 --> 00:32:47,805 Speaker 1: and his last words were, let them shoot the balls 567 00:32:47,885 --> 00:32:51,605 Speaker 1: through my heart, don't let them mangle my body. So 568 00:32:51,685 --> 00:32:57,885 Speaker 1: you know, okay body positivity. I don't know. Okay, that's dramatic. 569 00:32:57,965 --> 00:33:02,485 Speaker 1: John Kay. Yeah, they had blamed him. But then in 570 00:33:02,565 --> 00:33:05,925 Speaker 1: like I think it was yeah, nineteen sixty one, the 571 00:33:06,005 --> 00:33:09,165 Speaker 1: Latter day Saints, like the higher ups were like, hey, well, 572 00:33:09,205 --> 00:33:11,965 Speaker 1: actually John Lee, because he had been ousted from the church. 573 00:33:12,085 --> 00:33:14,085 Speaker 1: They're like, actually, we're going to reinstate him as a 574 00:33:14,125 --> 00:33:17,165 Speaker 1: member of the church. And actually we're just gonna say, 575 00:33:17,205 --> 00:33:18,645 Speaker 1: you know, we kind of did it, just like the 576 00:33:18,685 --> 00:33:21,165 Speaker 1: Mormons kind of did it. It wasn't just him. And 577 00:33:21,205 --> 00:33:23,645 Speaker 1: there's been like more historians recently who have also placed 578 00:33:23,725 --> 00:33:27,565 Speaker 1: blame on Brigham Young that he either contributed to this 579 00:33:27,645 --> 00:33:32,405 Speaker 1: like violent atmosphere or he like literally told people to 580 00:33:32,525 --> 00:33:36,165 Speaker 1: kill all these people in this caravan. So that is 581 00:33:36,205 --> 00:33:42,165 Speaker 1: the fun story that's messed up. Of a better phrase, 582 00:33:43,365 --> 00:33:50,205 Speaker 1: that is the massacre at Mountain Meadows in eighteen fifty seven, 583 00:33:50,325 --> 00:33:55,245 Speaker 1: September eleventh, so very sad and there's literally no reason 584 00:33:55,325 --> 00:33:58,525 Speaker 1: for these people to be killed. That is so messed 585 00:33:58,605 --> 00:34:01,485 Speaker 1: up and it's just gonna get more messed up. So 586 00:34:03,285 --> 00:34:16,845 Speaker 1: I guess welcome back. Um, Utah's crazy, thank you, isn't 587 00:34:17,005 --> 00:34:21,165 Speaker 1: Utah bananas? Wow? This is a great tangent because I'm 588 00:34:21,165 --> 00:34:24,805 Speaker 1: also talking about something that's happening in Utah yay, and 589 00:34:24,845 --> 00:34:32,045 Speaker 1: it's pretty barbaric. So yes, we're excited. So apparently pharmaceutical 590 00:34:32,045 --> 00:34:35,725 Speaker 1: companies are making it more difficult for states to use 591 00:34:35,725 --> 00:34:40,125 Speaker 1: their products as lethal injections and so um. Because of that, 592 00:34:40,445 --> 00:34:43,085 Speaker 1: some states who have the death penalty have turned to 593 00:34:43,405 --> 00:34:51,445 Speaker 1: other methods of execution. Oh yeah, Oh, where's this going? Yeah? 594 00:34:51,565 --> 00:34:56,765 Speaker 1: Going anywhere? Good? That's big Dora Explorer energies. Can you 595 00:34:56,845 --> 00:35:01,165 Speaker 1: guess where this is going? Bad places? Going to the 596 00:35:01,205 --> 00:35:04,245 Speaker 1: bad place. So also, one more thing I found out 597 00:35:04,245 --> 00:35:06,525 Speaker 1: that I'm some states try to get their lethal injection 598 00:35:06,645 --> 00:35:10,605 Speaker 1: drugs through something called the gray market, which I found 599 00:35:10,685 --> 00:35:13,885 Speaker 1: hilarious and horrible because it's like, it's not the black market, 600 00:35:14,325 --> 00:35:16,125 Speaker 1: it's not the white market, which is like, you know, 601 00:35:16,245 --> 00:35:18,685 Speaker 1: legal under the economy, but no, it's the gray market. 602 00:35:19,325 --> 00:35:21,445 Speaker 1: I am, I don't know. I'm just tickled by the 603 00:35:21,445 --> 00:35:27,645 Speaker 1: fact that that exists. So funny. I thought it was 604 00:35:27,685 --> 00:35:29,725 Speaker 1: pretty funny. Also, how do you even get into the 605 00:35:29,725 --> 00:35:32,205 Speaker 1: black market. I've always wanted to know. And then I 606 00:35:32,245 --> 00:35:35,405 Speaker 1: know someone who actually used to surf the deep web 607 00:35:35,445 --> 00:35:37,285 Speaker 1: and the black market, and they're literally like, don't ever, 608 00:35:37,525 --> 00:35:40,605 Speaker 1: don't ever do it, Like you're not. It's like she 609 00:35:40,685 --> 00:35:42,245 Speaker 1: stays in your brain. Don't do it? Is it just 610 00:35:42,245 --> 00:35:44,885 Speaker 1: like www dot black market dot com? I don't know. 611 00:35:45,285 --> 00:35:48,205 Speaker 1: I literally don't know how to enter into it. I 612 00:35:48,205 --> 00:35:53,205 Speaker 1: think web dot or Yeah. I do want to have 613 00:35:53,285 --> 00:35:55,445 Speaker 1: like a hacker friend because I want to know what 614 00:35:55,525 --> 00:35:57,885 Speaker 1: like my friends want for like Christmas and their birthdays 615 00:35:57,885 --> 00:35:59,565 Speaker 1: and stuff. And I know people keep like lists of 616 00:35:59,565 --> 00:36:02,205 Speaker 1: that on Instagram and Pinterest and shit like that. Um, 617 00:36:02,365 --> 00:36:04,205 Speaker 1: but that's only really really, that's why you want to 618 00:36:04,485 --> 00:36:06,805 Speaker 1: get into the black market, right You could also just 619 00:36:06,965 --> 00:36:12,365 Speaker 1: ask your friends, Okay, but then what's a surprise? Okay anyway, Yeah, 620 00:36:12,365 --> 00:36:15,125 Speaker 1: so the gray market fun, and honestly, researching for this 621 00:36:15,285 --> 00:36:17,965 Speaker 1: specific part of the show felt helidystopian, like it was 622 00:36:18,045 --> 00:36:21,445 Speaker 1: really weird. So eight states still do the electric chair, 623 00:36:21,525 --> 00:36:26,925 Speaker 1: which is death by electrication, and then many do gas chambers, 624 00:36:27,525 --> 00:36:30,685 Speaker 1: and yeah they still do all these things. Yeah, so 625 00:36:30,765 --> 00:36:33,405 Speaker 1: they'll drop a pill into a like closed room and 626 00:36:33,445 --> 00:36:36,445 Speaker 1: then choke somebody to death. And then some of the 627 00:36:36,525 --> 00:36:39,885 Speaker 1: gas chambers. States have also been like, the gas chambers 628 00:36:39,885 --> 00:36:41,605 Speaker 1: too much and it's costing us too much money. Let's 629 00:36:41,605 --> 00:36:45,645 Speaker 1: do gas masks. So you'll they'll have like the person 630 00:36:45,805 --> 00:36:48,285 Speaker 1: put on a mask and then have the gas just 631 00:36:48,405 --> 00:36:51,445 Speaker 1: entered into the mask and that's how they choked to death. God. Yeah, 632 00:36:51,445 --> 00:36:54,685 Speaker 1: this is all like hella barbaric and I don't understand anyway. 633 00:36:54,765 --> 00:36:57,885 Speaker 1: But apparently it's also really hard to get lethal gas 634 00:36:57,925 --> 00:37:00,125 Speaker 1: according to Oklahoma, because they've been trying to get some 635 00:37:00,205 --> 00:37:04,685 Speaker 1: lethal gas, trying to get on their hands gas. Okay, yep, 636 00:37:05,765 --> 00:37:08,725 Speaker 1: that is funny too, because it's gold on Oklahoma. Okay, 637 00:37:09,085 --> 00:37:13,445 Speaker 1: So Utah's governor, you've just been on some weird governors 638 00:37:13,445 --> 00:37:16,085 Speaker 1: like okay, okay, so you just governor was like, hey, 639 00:37:16,605 --> 00:37:19,725 Speaker 1: we definitely need a backup method for killing people. If 640 00:37:19,765 --> 00:37:21,965 Speaker 1: we can't do the lethal drugs and this, we still 641 00:37:22,045 --> 00:37:23,885 Speaker 1: have to kill people, like the death penalty still needs 642 00:37:23,885 --> 00:37:29,325 Speaker 1: to continue. So let's reinstate firing squads. Oh and that's 643 00:37:29,325 --> 00:37:34,405 Speaker 1: exactly what he did. Okay, So there have been three 644 00:37:34,445 --> 00:37:39,085 Speaker 1: executions through firing squad in this state. Some other states 645 00:37:39,085 --> 00:37:41,845 Speaker 1: I think also allow firing squads like South Carolina, but 646 00:37:42,125 --> 00:37:44,445 Speaker 1: Utah's the only one that has actually done it. The 647 00:37:44,485 --> 00:37:47,245 Speaker 1: most recent one was in twenty ten, and it seems 648 00:37:47,285 --> 00:37:49,805 Speaker 1: like there might be another coming up. This man he 649 00:37:50,165 --> 00:37:52,685 Speaker 1: killed a woman and then did a written confession in 650 00:37:52,765 --> 00:37:54,885 Speaker 1: nineteen eighty five, but later he said that he was 651 00:37:54,925 --> 00:37:58,885 Speaker 1: coerced and he's tried to appeal his trial multiple times. 652 00:37:59,325 --> 00:38:01,765 Speaker 1: There were two witnesses who claimed that he was the 653 00:38:01,805 --> 00:38:04,565 Speaker 1: one who killed this woman, so they used them as 654 00:38:04,605 --> 00:38:10,005 Speaker 1: witnesses obviously, but right after they testified, they like disappeared basically, 655 00:38:10,525 --> 00:38:13,325 Speaker 1: and so they ended up in every appeal they ended 656 00:38:13,405 --> 00:38:16,285 Speaker 1: up using their initial statement that these two witnesses despite 657 00:38:16,325 --> 00:38:19,045 Speaker 1: them like not being there to corroborate it anymore. And 658 00:38:19,045 --> 00:38:23,005 Speaker 1: then suddenly, out of nowhere, in twenty nineteen, he appealed 659 00:38:23,045 --> 00:38:25,765 Speaker 1: his case again, and this time the witnesses who had 660 00:38:25,805 --> 00:38:29,045 Speaker 1: been who knows where, they came back to the city 661 00:38:29,445 --> 00:38:32,325 Speaker 1: and they were like police back in the day, paid 662 00:38:32,365 --> 00:38:35,365 Speaker 1: our rent and bought us groceries and gifts for the testimony. 663 00:38:35,565 --> 00:38:39,725 Speaker 1: What I know, it's crazy. So now it looks like 664 00:38:39,765 --> 00:38:41,925 Speaker 1: his case is being reviewed. But he was about to 665 00:38:41,965 --> 00:38:45,885 Speaker 1: be put like under the lethal injection like that was 666 00:38:45,925 --> 00:38:48,245 Speaker 1: about to happen, or the firing squad, because what happens 667 00:38:48,325 --> 00:38:51,125 Speaker 1: is if they cannot get the drugs for the lethal 668 00:38:51,165 --> 00:38:54,845 Speaker 1: injection within thirty days of when the date for the 669 00:38:54,885 --> 00:38:57,565 Speaker 1: death is supposed to happen, even though the prisoner didn't 670 00:38:57,605 --> 00:38:59,965 Speaker 1: ask for it, they still have to. They use firing 671 00:39:00,005 --> 00:39:03,845 Speaker 1: squad just likes as a backup, I guess, which is 672 00:39:03,885 --> 00:39:06,565 Speaker 1: pretty bananas. That's I didn't know and I still did 673 00:39:06,645 --> 00:39:10,645 Speaker 1: stuff like that like they do. Yeah, I didn't. Yeah, No, 674 00:39:10,845 --> 00:39:13,565 Speaker 1: you're not dumb. I just it's not like very talked about, 675 00:39:13,605 --> 00:39:16,125 Speaker 1: I guess. Okay. Also, I really you just don't want 676 00:39:16,165 --> 00:39:17,845 Speaker 1: to think that you live in a society and that 677 00:39:18,005 --> 00:39:20,845 Speaker 1: does Yeah, exactly exactly, there we go. That's what it 678 00:39:20,885 --> 00:39:26,165 Speaker 1: is here. We are exactly very Distivan. Also, I shuddered. So, okay, 679 00:39:26,205 --> 00:39:29,645 Speaker 1: first of all, his case was mishandled, and now it's 680 00:39:29,685 --> 00:39:31,885 Speaker 1: like we don't know and he could have he almost died, 681 00:39:32,005 --> 00:39:34,325 Speaker 1: like he was almost killed. He didn't just die. Okay, 682 00:39:34,445 --> 00:39:37,005 Speaker 1: But that's aside from the point, which is fucking crazy. 683 00:39:37,045 --> 00:39:39,365 Speaker 1: But also I really shuddered at the way this was 684 00:39:39,405 --> 00:39:43,605 Speaker 1: handled because the way firing squads are it's basically a 685 00:39:43,685 --> 00:39:47,205 Speaker 1: chair with a strap on like the head and the body, 686 00:39:47,525 --> 00:39:50,085 Speaker 1: and there's sandbags all around just in case, like a 687 00:39:50,165 --> 00:39:53,925 Speaker 1: bullet goes weird or they miss aim or whatever. And 688 00:39:54,005 --> 00:39:56,445 Speaker 1: so there's sandbags and they put a bag over the 689 00:39:56,485 --> 00:40:00,445 Speaker 1: person's head and then they have like, I it's just disgusting. 690 00:40:00,645 --> 00:40:04,365 Speaker 1: And then I did not know this. They the sharp 691 00:40:04,445 --> 00:40:09,565 Speaker 1: shooters are actually volunteers from either the corrections facility or 692 00:40:10,045 --> 00:40:14,365 Speaker 1: law enforcement. That's um, yeah, And there they have to 693 00:40:14,405 --> 00:40:17,365 Speaker 1: have five volunteers, and the volunteers stand in front of 694 00:40:17,405 --> 00:40:20,525 Speaker 1: the chair and four of them have ammunition and one 695 00:40:20,525 --> 00:40:25,605 Speaker 1: has a blank. Apparently the blank encourages psychological deniability within 696 00:40:25,645 --> 00:40:30,965 Speaker 1: the shooters. What so they don't know who gets switched. Yes, 697 00:40:31,005 --> 00:40:33,805 Speaker 1: they don't know, yes, but they still volunteer for it. 698 00:40:34,085 --> 00:40:35,845 Speaker 1: And then I read about this one guy who was 699 00:40:35,885 --> 00:40:39,525 Speaker 1: interviewed in the last firing squad killing that happened in 700 00:40:39,565 --> 00:40:44,445 Speaker 1: twenty ten, where basically he was like, there were five 701 00:40:44,525 --> 00:40:47,365 Speaker 1: people prepared to like do it, and then there were 702 00:40:47,405 --> 00:40:51,085 Speaker 1: also three other people on the sidelines who had volunteered 703 00:40:51,165 --> 00:40:53,005 Speaker 1: just in case the other five like got cold feet. 704 00:40:53,005 --> 00:40:54,925 Speaker 1: No one got cold feet, by the way, but like 705 00:40:55,045 --> 00:40:56,645 Speaker 1: there were three other people who were like, oh, yeah, 706 00:40:56,805 --> 00:41:02,285 Speaker 1: I'll come and be the backup okay, and then yeah 707 00:41:02,405 --> 00:41:05,245 Speaker 1: yeah and then um they asked him, they were like, 708 00:41:05,565 --> 00:41:08,445 Speaker 1: why would you volunteer for this? And then he literally 709 00:41:08,565 --> 00:41:13,085 Speaker 1: quoted quoted, I don't know if I want to know. No, listen, 710 00:41:13,445 --> 00:41:15,765 Speaker 1: he said he wants to be a part of One 711 00:41:16,685 --> 00:41:20,125 Speaker 1: Justice and that quote some people just need to be 712 00:41:20,205 --> 00:41:24,525 Speaker 1: kicked off the planet. Wow. Okay, what a guy. What 713 00:41:24,565 --> 00:41:28,885 Speaker 1: a guy? What a guy. Another execution method is shooting 714 00:41:28,885 --> 00:41:35,925 Speaker 1: people into space. Yeah, elon Musk, it's that's when you're 715 00:41:35,925 --> 00:41:39,365 Speaker 1: canonized that that would be when it's the space can 716 00:41:40,965 --> 00:41:44,685 Speaker 1: love that that one sounds more fun. Well, that is 717 00:41:44,765 --> 00:41:48,445 Speaker 1: what I That is what I learned about utah um 718 00:41:48,485 --> 00:41:52,445 Speaker 1: and about executions. That was where my head went, yes yesterday, 719 00:41:52,445 --> 00:41:56,565 Speaker 1: I literally my research was like vore, which was basically 720 00:41:56,645 --> 00:41:59,285 Speaker 1: just mangas of like women opening their mouth and like 721 00:41:59,645 --> 00:42:04,885 Speaker 1: eating like furry humanoids, and then um in quicksand and 722 00:42:04,925 --> 00:42:11,045 Speaker 1: then death penalty, death penalty. Reddit. Well, it sounds like 723 00:42:11,125 --> 00:42:15,925 Speaker 1: you need to relax. Nika, I mean Nica rhyming with pikea. Yeah, 724 00:42:16,285 --> 00:42:18,885 Speaker 1: as we've established from the last episode, we said we 725 00:42:18,925 --> 00:42:23,925 Speaker 1: said peka, Pika peka, which is dominant, annoying, and thank 726 00:42:23,965 --> 00:42:26,205 Speaker 1: you for correcting us. A sweet listener, but we're the 727 00:42:26,245 --> 00:42:30,685 Speaker 1: PCA powder Puff Girls. Don't worry, Taylor, you need to 728 00:42:30,725 --> 00:42:34,205 Speaker 1: make a massive pronunciation mistake. What are we gonna get 729 00:42:34,205 --> 00:42:37,125 Speaker 1: wrong this time? What are we gonna get Yes, queens, 730 00:42:37,365 --> 00:42:44,285 Speaker 1: I don't know quakes and y'all heard of us. Well, 731 00:42:44,325 --> 00:42:49,005 Speaker 1: thank you for listening despite us being silly and sometimes inaccurate. 732 00:42:49,765 --> 00:43:07,525 Speaker 1: See next squeak Nime. Cadaver Gals is a production of 733 00:43:07,565 --> 00:43:11,285 Speaker 1: School of Humans and iHeartRadio. It is written et cetera, 734 00:43:11,445 --> 00:43:14,525 Speaker 1: produced All That Good Stuff by Taylor Church, Gabby Watts, 735 00:43:14,565 --> 00:43:18,085 Speaker 1: and Mika. You can find us on Instagram and Twitter 736 00:43:18,125 --> 00:43:22,245 Speaker 1: at cadaver Gals, where we post selfies of us crying 737 00:43:22,405 --> 00:43:24,885 Speaker 1: and memes. See you next week.