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Speaker 3: Oh what a day, What a day to be alive?

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Speaker 3: Dot dot da Da da da. They wouldn't play dirty

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Speaker 3: water for me today. I don't know if Ben was

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Speaker 3: Soork and our producers are Dodgers fans, they would not

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Speaker 3: play dirty water for me today. It is Monday, October

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Speaker 3: twenty ninth, twenty eighteen, episode one seventy seven of the

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Speaker 3: Anakin Florin Podcast and the Boston Red Sox are the

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Speaker 3: World Series Champions Flow for the fourth time in fifteen years.

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Speaker 3: Pretty incredible. You took your daughter, who is eight months old,

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Speaker 6: Man, it was unbelievable. First of all, Dodgers fans were awesome.

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Speaker 6: When we went to take a picture with my daughter,

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Speaker 6: So a bunch of people from Boston that I was

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Speaker 6: As you said, we barely made half. I think actually

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Speaker 3: Huge Boston presence there in Los Angeles. Seems like most

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Speaker 3: Come on, I mean, but just an incredible thing. And

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Speaker 3: there have been eleven championships in Boston, Massachusetts. There will

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Speaker 3: But right now that distinction goes to Boston, Massachusetts. And

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Speaker 6: Ken Flea, neither am I Hey, listen, we were cursed

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Speaker 6: And for Demetrius Johnson, you know, it is very sad

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Speaker 3: Just so weird to see Demetrius Johnson thanking ben Askron

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Speaker 3: That's a part of it too, is that a lot

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Speaker 6: Yeah, and as far as numbers, right, as far as

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Speaker 3: All right, Well, it is inarguable that Dimitrios Johnson will

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Speaker 3: We can't see you right now, Ray, but they tell

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Speaker 4: I don't believe well, I mean, this is unbelievable man.

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Speaker 8: No video And I did my head just for you today, John, Yes,

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Speaker 8: I think. And he's just really just he just crushed

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Speaker 8: You know, we got the steamroller and we got Wideman,

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Speaker 4: That's it, man, let's do it.

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Speaker 4: Line, no question about it.

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Speaker 8: And I pulled him back a little bit too, because

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Speaker 8: He's healthy, his weight, like I said, is on point,

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Speaker 8: He's ready to go.

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Speaker 4: His mind's in the right spot.

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Speaker 7: That's it.

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Speaker 8: He just saw his best friend getting a slober knaka.

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Speaker 6: Hey, Ray, So what are the challenges for a guy

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Speaker 4: You know, Look, I think Jock Array, Look, he wants

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Speaker 6: And are there any challenges or anything that you need

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Speaker 4: No, I think we did good this time.

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Speaker 4: Everybody I think knows the routine he's for in New

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Speaker 4: It's it's actually out of control. So that's that's a

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Speaker 3: Then I think, well, someone's got to be looking out

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Speaker 8: That's wife's a hold on one second.

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Speaker 3: Oh, John Belontes in the building I mean, I can't

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Speaker 4: At this guy is a true warrior. Look at it.

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Speaker 3: Hey. Nice to see a split decision. Go your way,

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Speaker 4: There could be four wins in.

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Speaker 2: But the guy.

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Speaker 4: Look, the purpose of this is this is a trooper.

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Speaker 8: That guy just went to wharf for three He's a

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Speaker 3: Amazing to me about you know.

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Speaker 7: Taking punches and you could be okay to like get

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Speaker 4: I'm like, yeah, that gonna be fun this week I

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Speaker 3: But Saturday, well, dude, I'm happy for you.

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Speaker 4: I think I think my hairstyle is to see it?

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Speaker 4: Can you fix that? Look what I have to cut?

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Speaker 4: Look man, I guess my hair is a big.

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Speaker 7: Man.

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Speaker 3: don't need you looking sloppy in the corner. I love

438
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Speaker 3: how guys say, oh I got a fine time to

439
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Speaker 3: get my hair cut. You know, Daniel Cormie, I'll send

440
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Speaker 3: a barber to your hotel room if that's what you

441
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Speaker 3: want we'll get your hair cut.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, though I might take you up on that,

443
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Speaker 4: all right.

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Speaker 3: A couple other things before I let.

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Speaker 8: You got's a little different than his, though I don't think.

446
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Speaker 3: Yeah, no, that's true. That's true. You're not looking for

447
00:20:14,000 --> 00:20:17,399
Speaker 3: the high and tight skin fade. I understand it, all right.

448
00:20:17,400 --> 00:20:19,560
Speaker 3: A couple other things. Now, this is a huge week

449
00:20:19,600 --> 00:20:23,359
Speaker 3: for Bostonians, obviously with the Red Sox winning the World Series,

450
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Speaker 3: and I look forward to touching down in New York

451
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Speaker 3: to really have it soak in for me. But I

452
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Speaker 3: want to talk about my favorite New Yorker raging Ally Aquinta,

453
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Speaker 3: because Chris Wadman posted a video on his Instagram of

454
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Speaker 3: Ally Aquinta in the ice bath. This dude is a gangster,

455
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Speaker 3: right as Widman put it, I mean, this guy hops

456
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Speaker 3: in an ice bath. He couldn't be less phased. I

457
00:20:46,760 --> 00:20:48,520
Speaker 3: know Ken Flow is very good at this too, right,

458
00:20:48,680 --> 00:20:50,639
Speaker 3: just the mental over the physical and all that stuff

459
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Speaker 3: that's way over my head. But I just want to

460
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Speaker 3: say respect to Ali Quinta. That that just made that

461
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Speaker 3: ice bath look like absolutely nothing this weekend.

462
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Speaker 8: Let me tell you, he could have stayed in it

463
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Speaker 8: for an hour. Yeah, over that with him. I'm amazed myself,

464
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Speaker 8: I really am amazed. But he don't look there's guys

465
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Speaker 8: that give his ship, and there's guys that don't give

466
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Speaker 8: his ship, and he just doesn't give his ship. But

467
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Speaker 8: I think Kabie called him a gangster for the right reason.

468
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Speaker 8: He's a true gangster. He's coming to fight, yes, and

469
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Speaker 8: he ate that ice bad for breakfast man, that meant

470
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Speaker 8: nothing to him. I know the other kid that was

471
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Speaker 8: with him, Dennis Bezuka, the other fighter we have, was

472
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Speaker 8: was in total amazement. You know, he was struggling, but

473
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Speaker 8: he got ice running through his veins as kid man.

474
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Speaker 8: He had a great workout last night to him, really

475
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Speaker 8: psyched for his fight. Very very exciting time for the gym.

476
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Speaker 8: I hope I make it because I'm starting to get

477
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Speaker 8: a little run down. But it feels great. These guys

478
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Speaker 8: are just awesome to be around to work with. There's

479
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Speaker 8: never a dull moment. It's it's a great time.

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Speaker 3: It's been a busy stretch for you man, and we

481
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Speaker 3: know it's it's not coming to an end anytime soon.

482
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Speaker 3: But that's obviously a good thing, all right, final thing,

483
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Speaker 3: bet Askrin Dimitrius Johnson. I'm sure that headline crossed your

484
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Speaker 3: wake at some point over the last five days. Do

485
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Speaker 3: you have any reaction when you see one of the

486
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Speaker 3: best pound for pound fighters in the world, an eleven

487
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Speaker 3: time UFC champion like Demetrius Johnson, move on seemingly in

488
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Speaker 3: the middle of his fighting prime.

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Speaker 8: Uh, you know, look man for Dmitrius Johnson. Obviously you

490
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Speaker 8: guys were saying that, I mean, pound for pound. I

491
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Speaker 8: don't think there's really an argument. He's done it all.

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Speaker 8: I hope the guy financially is successful over there. That

493
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Speaker 8: would be a great thing for him, so he could secure,

494
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Speaker 8: you know, the future of his family.

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Speaker 4: That that's really all I'm looking at. Ye, it's gonna

496
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Speaker 4: be you know, it's you know, you feel them.

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Speaker 8: You know he's gonna be missed for sure. And he's

498
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Speaker 8: a great fighter. You is a great guy, I tell you.

499
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Speaker 8: But I am excited about asprin I think there's a

500
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Speaker 8: lot of great matchups for him too. So it's uh,

501
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Speaker 8: I got to see how it plays out. I find

502
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Speaker 8: I found the news fascinating, but I think it's a

503
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Speaker 8: win win for everybody. I think Dmitrius financially he'll do

504
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Speaker 8: better and we get to see one of the best

505
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Speaker 8: wrestlers go up against some of the guys that I

506
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Speaker 8: think he matches up great with, and at least Ben

507
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Speaker 8: Astring gets to, you know, show what he's got.

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Speaker 4: Also, I mean he's been kept in the dark. You know,

509
00:23:10,520 --> 00:23:12,960
Speaker 4: he wasn't even you know, in the UFC, not even

510
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Speaker 4: in the talk.

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Speaker 8: So hopefully he's still young enough to where he could

512
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Speaker 8: do what he wants to do.

513
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Speaker 4: And I'd love to see him fight. I'd love to

514
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Speaker 4: see him. It could be, but i'd love to see

515
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Speaker 4: him and a lot of people.

516
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Speaker 3: Yeah, no, it's exciting. Eighteen and oh with one, no contest.

517
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Speaker 3: I think he's in his mid thirties. All right, my man,

518
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Speaker 3: we look forward to seeing you later in the week.

519
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Speaker 3: Give you a hundred dollars bonus if Chris Wadman gets

520
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Speaker 3: the finish, one hundred dollars for the win, one hundred

521
00:23:34,560 --> 00:23:36,640
Speaker 3: dollars if you guys get the finish. So a couple

522
00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:38,960
Speaker 3: hundred bucks at stake for you this weekend. I mean,

523
00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:41,160
Speaker 3: this has just become a crazy trend, Kenny, where we're

524
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Speaker 3: paying him for his fighters performances.

525
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Speaker 4: I mean, your your new name should be monthy Hole

526
00:23:46,080 --> 00:23:48,480
Speaker 4: at this point. Yeah, you're kidding me is what is

527
00:23:48,520 --> 00:23:49,320
Speaker 4: going on here?

528
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Speaker 3: But if Mike kids think I'm out of my mind,

529
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Speaker 3: but hey, all the best with Chris. We'll see it

530
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Speaker 3: the weigh and on Friday. If not sooner, man.

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Speaker 4: Awsome Man, I'll keep in touch.

532
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Speaker 3: Thanks guys, Si, Raymond, Peter Longo every week here on

533
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Speaker 3: the Anakin Floor in podcast. All right, Frank Triggs scheduled

534
00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:07,840
Speaker 3: to join us here in a few minutes. Can flow.

535
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Speaker 3: But I want to talk about Anthony Smith because when

536
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Speaker 3: you talk about Demitrius Johnson being this tremendous showcase for

537
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Speaker 3: mixed martial arts and high level mixed martial arts, I

538
00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:19,960
Speaker 3: think one of your takeaways and mine as well, and

539
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Speaker 3: watching the main event this weekend, was that it was

540
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Speaker 3: not a great showcase for the UFC's light heavyweight division.

541
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Speaker 3: It was huge for the ascent of Anthony Smith, whom

542
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Speaker 3: I consider a friend. We have talked about everything that

543
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Speaker 3: he has done and turning his life and his career

544
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Speaker 3: around and everything else. Big win for Anthony Smith had

545
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Speaker 3: to dig pretty deep to get it. By and large,

546
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Speaker 3: though I thought not a great showcase overall for the

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Speaker 3: two oh flyers.

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Speaker 2: Huge win, huge win for Anthony.

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Speaker 6: I was really impressed with his ability to stay patient,

550
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Speaker 6: and again, I think he was always fighting at the

551
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Speaker 6: proper range for the most part in that fight, and

552
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Speaker 6: that's what concerned me. Even when he was taking some

553
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Speaker 6: shots against Uzdamir, I felt like, I don't know, it's

554
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Speaker 6: only a matter time.

555
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Speaker 2: Before Anthony Smith takes over.

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Speaker 6: And of course I picked Uzdamir up in terrible on

557
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Speaker 6: these main event picks, but you know, Anthony just fought really,

558
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Speaker 6: really well. I thought it was a big mistake for

559
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Speaker 6: Uzdimir to try to take the fight to the ground.

560
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Speaker 6: He did okay obviously in that in that round where

561
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Speaker 6: he was you know, turtled up and trying to get

562
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Speaker 6: hooks in and all that stuff, but that's not what

563
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Speaker 6: Uzdimir does, right, and once Anthony was able to get

564
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Speaker 6: on top, it was pretty much all over. You see

565
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Speaker 6: what you saw, it really leave the hands of Uzdemir

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Speaker 6: at that point.

567
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Speaker 2: Anthony is tough as nails man.

568
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Speaker 6: Even when he was taking some shots, he really never

569
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Speaker 6: seemed phased by anything that Uzdimir threw at him. And

570
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Speaker 6: we know about Uznimir's power and those awkward punches, and

571
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Speaker 6: especially when he lands right around the ear, he really

572
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Speaker 6: wasn't able to do that against Anthony Smith, so his

573
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Speaker 6: chin was holding up. He was able to fight back

574
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Speaker 6: as we knew he would. He's a guy who's dealt

575
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Speaker 6: with a tremendous amount of adversity both inside and outside

576
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Speaker 6: of the octagon, and I was very impressed with that win.

577
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Speaker 6: With that said, to your point about the two hundred

578
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Speaker 6: and five pound division, you know it, it didn't demonstrate

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Speaker 6: a high level of skill. And these are guys that

580
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Speaker 6: are ranked very high in that division, right, I think

581
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Speaker 6: as far as toughness one percent, they're as tough as

582
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Speaker 6: they come. But as far as showing a high level

583
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Speaker 6: martial arts skill, not really making a whole lot of mistakes, YadA, YadA, YadA,

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Speaker 6: they didn't really demonstrate that. And you know, I think

585
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Speaker 6: pretty much in the division at two hundred five pounds

586
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Speaker 6: you have Daniel Cormier, John Jones, Alexander Gustafson, and then

587
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Speaker 6: everybody else.

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Speaker 2: If I'm being.

589
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Speaker 3: Kidded right, Vulcan Newsmir came in number two in the world,

590
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Speaker 3: Anthony Lyon Heartsmith was ten, so you're certainly going to

591
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Speaker 3: get a shuffle there. But for Smith three and oh

592
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Speaker 3: at two hundred and five pounds in the UFC couple

593
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Speaker 3: straight bonuses, a couple straight main event wins Shogun Hua

594
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Speaker 3: and now volcanoos Demir, and I think to that Mark

595
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Speaker 3: Montoya led corner for Anthony Smith has really been key.

596
00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:02,720
Speaker 3: I want to get to Frank Trey, but Kenny thirty

597
00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:05,200
Speaker 3: seconds on just the adjustment of the rear naked choke,

598
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Speaker 3: because you're one of the most prolific rear naked choke

599
00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:10,159
Speaker 3: guys in UFC history. Somebody in that Anthony Smith corner

600
00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:12,879
Speaker 3: said right hand behind the head, and he seemed to

601
00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:15,720
Speaker 3: immediately at that point switch his hands up and that's

602
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Speaker 3: when the tap came almost immediately thereafter one hundred percent.

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Speaker 6: Because the hand was exposed kind of at the top

604
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Speaker 6: of the head, it's easy to kind of pull down

605
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Speaker 6: on that hand and loosen up the choke, and that's

606
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Speaker 6: what Uzdmir was doing. And once he was able to

607
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Speaker 6: hide that hand behind the head, he was able to

608
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Speaker 6: secure it and get the finish for the win.

609
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Speaker 3: Opportunistic submission guy, Anthony Smith, I thought, very diplomatically asked

610
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Speaker 3: Dana White and the crew for a title shot and

611
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Speaker 3: we'll see what is next for him. Joan Bohovich streaking

612
00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:43,639
Speaker 3: as well. He's another name that could factor in, but

613
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Speaker 3: of course Jones and gustuson to settle their business actually

614
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Speaker 3: two months from today to the day in Las Vegas.

615
00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:51,960
Speaker 3: But now will us on the guest line. Seven time

616
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Speaker 3: UFC veteran, now Mixed Martial Arts referee, among other things,

617
00:27:55,520 --> 00:27:58,720
Speaker 3: actor commentator and UFC Hall of Famer gets added to

618
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Speaker 3: the bio now too as well. Well, the great Frank Trigg,

619
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Speaker 3: Is Willis, Frank john and Kenny here. I know it's

620
00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:04,600
Speaker 3: over due to have you on the show man. How

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Speaker 3: you doing today?

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Speaker 7: I'm good, I'm good. Yeah, little drive time from Telisipe

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Speaker 7: from the city. But than that, Jill did well.

624
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Speaker 3: It's a pleasure for us to talk to you, and

625
00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:16,400
Speaker 3: there are a lot of different things to get to with you.

626
00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:18,720
Speaker 3: But I don't want to bury the lead when it

627
00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:20,679
Speaker 3: comes to the news of the week in MMA, this

628
00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:24,479
Speaker 3: swap of sorts, Ben Askron and Dimitrius Johnson. You've seen it,

629
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Speaker 3: you've been there, you've done that. What is your initial

630
00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:29,679
Speaker 3: reaction when that comes across your brow that those two

631
00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:33,240
Speaker 3: guys are essentially signing new contracts and trading places.

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Speaker 7: Well, it's on one hand, I'm like, wow, it's about time.

633
00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:39,960
Speaker 7: You know that Ben Askers founding the UFC. I thought

634
00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:41,840
Speaker 7: I should be in the UFC years ago, and then

635
00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:43,960
Speaker 7: for whatever reason, he's never got in. And I was

636
00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:47,920
Speaker 7: a little bit surprised that EG was going over to ONEFC.

637
00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:51,040
Speaker 7: But of course Matt Hmes's coach and Matt Winston w NFC,

638
00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:53,800
Speaker 7: it makes sense. But I was a little bit surprised

639
00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:55,800
Speaker 7: that it seemed like to me the UFC kind of

640
00:28:55,840 --> 00:28:59,200
Speaker 7: let him go, kind of without too much headache, without

641
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Speaker 7: too much you know, trying and back and forth. And

642
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Speaker 7: mind you, I'm not in the negotiating room. I'm not

643
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Speaker 7: an attorney, I'm not one of the managers. I was

644
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Speaker 7: very surprised that Pompapon was the best fighters in the

645
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Speaker 7: entire world, had one of the increment if I'm wrong,

646
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Speaker 7: Kenny and John Day. Jimitri has had one of the

647
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Speaker 7: longest defense streaks, running for defending titles and walks away

648
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Speaker 7: with only really one loss to Henry, Tohedro and Toitroo,

649
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Speaker 7: and then all of a sudden he's on another organization.

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Speaker 7: To me, it's a little bit surprising for how good

651
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Speaker 7: a fighter that DJ is, But it's business at the

652
00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:32,400
Speaker 7: end of the day, and I'm actually super excited I'll

653
00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:34,600
Speaker 7: be watching ONEFC every time that DJ fights, and I'll

654
00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:36,960
Speaker 7: be watching UFC every cooming asking fights.

655
00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:39,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, it seemed like he was just sick

656
00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:41,719
Speaker 3: of the UFC noise in a lot of respects. However,

657
00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:44,920
Speaker 3: you want to quantify everything that goes along with being

658
00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:47,560
Speaker 3: a UFC fighter. But as long as DJ is happy,

659
00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:49,040
Speaker 3: I think it's hard not to be happy for the

660
00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:51,480
Speaker 3: guy as far as what you have going on. So

661
00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:54,320
Speaker 3: if our listeners don't know, you turn pro in nineteen

662
00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:57,760
Speaker 3: ninety seven, last pro fight was in twenty eleven. Now

663
00:29:57,800 --> 00:30:00,880
Speaker 3: you're working as a mixed martial arts ref. You debuted

664
00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:05,120
Speaker 3: as a UFC REF late December of last year. Was

665
00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:07,000
Speaker 3: this something that was in the back of your mind

666
00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:09,720
Speaker 3: for a long time? When did you sort of first

667
00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:12,160
Speaker 3: think about this as a possible transition for you?

668
00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:16,160
Speaker 7: Man, this was never in my mind that remotely was

669
00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:18,840
Speaker 7: I think about doing this. I was running my mouth

670
00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:20,880
Speaker 7: as I usually do, which always gets me in struggle,

671
00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:23,640
Speaker 7: and John McCarthy heard me talking about how bad the

672
00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:25,480
Speaker 7: reffing was and how bad the judging was and it's

673
00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:27,600
Speaker 7: just stupid, doesn't make any sense. He's like, Oh, you

674
00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:29,080
Speaker 7: think it's so easy once you go ahead and take

675
00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:32,280
Speaker 7: my course. Like, man, I'll crush your course. It's stupid.

676
00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:34,320
Speaker 7: I know everything there is about any man. You're an idiot.

677
00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:35,760
Speaker 7: Ask and he come take the stupid course.

678
00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:36,720
Speaker 9: Man.

679
00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:39,840
Speaker 7: I failed so miserably. It would stand there and fresh

680
00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:42,360
Speaker 7: how bad I did in that first course. I did

681
00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:44,440
Speaker 7: so bad that my ego got in the way and

682
00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:45,800
Speaker 7: I had to go back and take it a second time.

683
00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:47,520
Speaker 7: And I was like, I'll pass it this time. I'm

684
00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:49,280
Speaker 7: to study and do thing I need to do and

685
00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:51,520
Speaker 7: make this thing happen. And I passed it the second time,

686
00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:55,880
Speaker 7: sort of technically. I failed the second course. And then

687
00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:58,520
Speaker 7: John's like, look, you were close, Come down and hang

688
00:30:58,520 --> 00:30:59,720
Speaker 7: out at my gym. And so we still had the

689
00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:01,640
Speaker 7: gym in Valencia, and I was like, coming on my

690
00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:03,840
Speaker 7: gym once a week, we'll spend two hours going over

691
00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:05,720
Speaker 7: your judging critis. It will spend two hours of you

692
00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:08,320
Speaker 7: going over your practicals. Off you're refing. We'll get you

693
00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:11,560
Speaker 7: up to speed. Six weeks later, he's like, okay, let's

694
00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:13,920
Speaker 7: head you co do It's now a stop at the

695
00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:18,320
Speaker 7: University of Mma. Terreotta, Villa and Jacam were running it

696
00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:20,720
Speaker 7: in California. It was an amateur event. He's like, come

697
00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:22,320
Speaker 7: do this and let's see what happens. I did do

698
00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:24,640
Speaker 7: amateur event and he's like, okay, you did good. Now

699
00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:27,160
Speaker 7: you're passing my course. Then from there I had to

700
00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:30,520
Speaker 7: do my ten amateur events to start making any kind

701
00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:32,440
Speaker 7: of money. And it was like to me, I never

702
00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:34,120
Speaker 7: wanted to do this. I never thought it was going

703
00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:36,000
Speaker 7: to be it was going to be anything on my radar.

704
00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:38,200
Speaker 7: And so I started doing it and how hard it was,

705
00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:43,000
Speaker 7: and honestly, something happened, and internally with me when I

706
00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:45,000
Speaker 7: was resting, I was like, Wow, this is a real

707
00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:47,880
Speaker 7: need for better ref there's a real need for judges.

708
00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:50,160
Speaker 7: And if I do it the way I'm supposed to

709
00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:52,320
Speaker 7: be doing it, I do it the way that John

710
00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:54,120
Speaker 7: has taught me, the way that her Bean has taught me.

711
00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:57,200
Speaker 7: Mike Beltran Herzog and Mike Beal, who are always on

712
00:31:57,200 --> 00:31:58,960
Speaker 7: my teams, like the way they show me a little

713
00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:00,480
Speaker 7: different NU offices, and the thing is I need to

714
00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:03,880
Speaker 7: correct right, do it right. I'll actually be they're helping

715
00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:07,960
Speaker 7: guys save themselves, saving them for themselves because fighters will

716
00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:09,880
Speaker 7: fight no matter what. You give us a shot, you

717
00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:11,720
Speaker 7: don't stop the fight. We'll continue to fight, no matter

718
00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:13,640
Speaker 7: what's happening to our health or what's happened to our bodies.

719
00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:15,520
Speaker 7: And there's a point when I have sometimes it's a

720
00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:17,680
Speaker 7: step in to stop that. I was like, it's pretty

721
00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:19,000
Speaker 7: big honor for me to be able to do that.

722
00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:20,840
Speaker 7: And so yeah, it was not on my radar. Didn't

723
00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:22,800
Speaker 7: want to aim and do with this, and now I'm

724
00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:24,200
Speaker 7: fall into it and all bore.

725
00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:27,520
Speaker 6: Well, well, Frank, it shows an amazing passion, amazing love

726
00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:30,680
Speaker 6: of the sport that you're that you're actually doing that, man,

727
00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:34,600
Speaker 6: And we do need more great referees like yourself. What

728
00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:37,080
Speaker 6: were some of the challenges for you as you were

729
00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:38,680
Speaker 6: coming through that that referee course?

730
00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:42,840
Speaker 7: So Belchaan would explain it to me, it's the easiest

731
00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:44,920
Speaker 7: way to explain it. I was thinking like a fighter,

732
00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:46,880
Speaker 7: not thinking like a referee. So I would go, hey,

733
00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:49,440
Speaker 7: if I'm in this position, if I'm in that spot

734
00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:51,719
Speaker 7: right now, this guy is in, I'm okay, so he

735
00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:54,640
Speaker 7: must be okay, when in reality he might not be okay.

736
00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:57,360
Speaker 7: It doesn't necessarily mean that that. You know, if I'm

737
00:32:57,360 --> 00:32:58,680
Speaker 7: caught an armbar, I know how to get out of

738
00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:00,680
Speaker 7: it very easily. Somehow, I was like this guy may

739
00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:02,239
Speaker 7: not know that you might know how to get out

740
00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:04,360
Speaker 7: of it. I'm making the assumption that he has the

741
00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:07,040
Speaker 7: same knowledge base that I do. That's not true. The

742
00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:09,600
Speaker 7: other thing is is that I was so nervous about

743
00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:12,720
Speaker 7: I read this blurb someplace about Big John McCarthy. Somebody

744
00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:14,560
Speaker 7: asked him, have you ever been hit in a fight.

745
00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:16,440
Speaker 7: He's like, well, yeah, if you if you were there

746
00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:18,600
Speaker 7: with with two guys doing punches and kicks at each

747
00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:21,320
Speaker 7: other and you're the referee, eventually you're gonna get hit.

748
00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:23,320
Speaker 7: I was like, man, I don't want to get knocked out,

749
00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:25,040
Speaker 7: you know, in the middle of one of these frights

750
00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:27,760
Speaker 7: from refeings. So I gave way too much space. I

751
00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:30,560
Speaker 7: was too far away from the action, and sometimes there

752
00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:32,520
Speaker 7: caused me to be a half a step or quarter

753
00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:34,160
Speaker 7: of a step too slow and getting there to stop it.

754
00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:36,760
Speaker 7: So I'd adjust my adjust my range. And the other

755
00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:39,400
Speaker 7: thing that I that I did that was that had

756
00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:42,760
Speaker 7: to be significantly changed is that if you notice, every

757
00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:46,280
Speaker 7: referee starts the exact same way, whatever the referee is, whoever.

758
00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:47,760
Speaker 7: You know, we make fun of each other. You know,

759
00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:50,920
Speaker 7: Herzog has his hand class and these little heel kicks

760
00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:54,040
Speaker 7: that he does, and then Beltran does his little prayer

761
00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:56,000
Speaker 7: movement before he looks and yells at each one of

762
00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:58,080
Speaker 7: the Each one of the fighters always have her own

763
00:33:58,120 --> 00:33:59,800
Speaker 7: little way. I didn't have my own little way. I

764
00:33:59,840 --> 00:34:01,880
Speaker 7: was trying to figure that out, and as a result,

765
00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:04,680
Speaker 7: I wasn't able to start the way the fight should

766
00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:06,320
Speaker 7: be started every single time. It took me a couple

767
00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:08,759
Speaker 7: three or four events back in the amateurs to get it,

768
00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:11,200
Speaker 7: to get my rhythm down and my pattern them.

769
00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:14,000
Speaker 6: That makes a lot of sense, you know, Frank, You're

770
00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:18,280
Speaker 6: kind of the first crop of the elite American wrestlers

771
00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:21,000
Speaker 6: that came into mixed martial arts, and really we're pretty

772
00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:25,799
Speaker 6: much dominating early on. It kind of feels like we're

773
00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:28,480
Speaker 6: seeing a re emergence of the elite wrestlers. We're seeing

774
00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:32,200
Speaker 6: as Ben Askern gets, you know, into the UFC, we

775
00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:33,560
Speaker 6: have Henry so Judo as champ.

776
00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:35,719
Speaker 2: Daniel Cormier is a champ.

777
00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:38,640
Speaker 6: Hubib Nimaga Metoff not an American wrestler, but an amazing

778
00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:41,560
Speaker 6: wrestler and really dominating with that style.

779
00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:43,920
Speaker 2: Are we seeing this re emergence now? And why do

780
00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:44,640
Speaker 2: you think that is?

781
00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:45,960
Speaker 1: Well?

782
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:47,200
Speaker 7: A lot of it to two has got to do

783
00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:49,680
Speaker 7: with that. People now, especially in America, were getting more

784
00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:53,279
Speaker 7: understanding that that wrestling is the one base if you've

785
00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:55,759
Speaker 7: got to take your kid and go, hey, eventually he's

786
00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:57,960
Speaker 7: going to be a professional mixed special arts spider. That's

787
00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:00,040
Speaker 7: our goal. What do I start him in first? So

788
00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:02,360
Speaker 7: everyone's like, oh, well, jiu jitsu and boxing and kickboxing,

789
00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:04,480
Speaker 7: you have all these these arguments of why one thing

790
00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:06,520
Speaker 7: is better than the other. The reality of it is

791
00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:08,560
Speaker 7: is that wrestling ends up being the best base to

792
00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:12,240
Speaker 7: start with because it is. It is absolutely all about control.

793
00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:13,759
Speaker 7: It's only that's how you get your points to the

794
00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:15,919
Speaker 7: wrestling is I control your hips, I put you down

795
00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:17,600
Speaker 7: front on the mat, I get my two points. If

796
00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:19,440
Speaker 7: I control your hips well enough, I turn you back

797
00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:21,399
Speaker 7: to the mat, I get two more points. If I'm

798
00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:23,960
Speaker 7: so good at controlling you and dominating you, I get

799
00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:25,719
Speaker 7: a tech fall on the matches over without even having

800
00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:27,520
Speaker 7: a pin you. Because I'm so much better than you

801
00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:29,960
Speaker 7: and I'm controlling you that much. It Ema made one

802
00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:32,200
Speaker 7: of the things that you see and Kenny, you've seen

803
00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:36,440
Speaker 7: this before a lot, absolutely amazing jiu jitsu guys, amazing

804
00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:40,000
Speaker 7: submission practitioners, all of a sudden getting out positioned by

805
00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:42,200
Speaker 7: boxers because they don't know how to clamp down and

806
00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:44,839
Speaker 7: stop them from moving. And then you get some guys

807
00:35:44,920 --> 00:35:46,080
Speaker 7: and all of a sudden they learn a little bit

808
00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:48,279
Speaker 7: of wrestling. It doesn't take a high level jiu jitsu

809
00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:50,560
Speaker 7: black belt to learn much wrestling. Before we almosten can

810
00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:53,160
Speaker 7: dominate everybody, and you're like, well, what's the biggest difference.

811
00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:55,120
Speaker 7: He just learned how to control the hips. And so

812
00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:58,759
Speaker 7: we're seeing that resurgence because wrestling is becoming the forefront

813
00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:01,160
Speaker 7: of a lot of guys, a lot of fans as

814
00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:03,440
Speaker 7: far as what they should do in MMA. Then on

815
00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:06,000
Speaker 7: top of it, a lot of these guys are getting

816
00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:08,200
Speaker 7: to the worlds and they're winning the worlds that are

817
00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:10,560
Speaker 7: mentally in the worlds, and they're like, hey, I did

818
00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:13,160
Speaker 7: all this work, I made all this time, I worked

819
00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:15,360
Speaker 7: my butt off for all these years, and yes, the

820
00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:18,879
Speaker 7: gold medal is absolutely amazing, but I can't I can't

821
00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:21,279
Speaker 7: pay off my assume debt, I can't provide for my

822
00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:23,440
Speaker 7: family because there's really not that much money in it

823
00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:26,000
Speaker 7: when you're when you're winning Olympic gold medals. If you

824
00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:28,120
Speaker 7: turn around, you look at what Cormi made when he

825
00:36:28,239 --> 00:36:30,520
Speaker 7: when he was on the Olympic team versus what he

826
00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:33,160
Speaker 7: is making now when he's fighting. You take Henry the

827
00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:34,840
Speaker 7: same thing, what he was doing when he was on

828
00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:37,279
Speaker 7: the on the Olympic team versus what he's making now.

829
00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:40,080
Speaker 7: The money's not even close to the same. There's so

830
00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:42,200
Speaker 7: much more money now mixed martial arts. No matter what

831
00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:44,960
Speaker 7: promotion you're fighting for, the numbers are so much higher

832
00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:47,839
Speaker 7: now that it just makes better sense. These guys aren't

833
00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:50,319
Speaker 7: going to go coach at their local university and fight

834
00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:52,520
Speaker 7: the other thirty five guys are all trying to get

835
00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:54,480
Speaker 7: the same assistant job. They're going to go out and

836
00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:56,759
Speaker 7: go to the local gym and start fighting, and they're

837
00:36:56,760 --> 00:36:59,160
Speaker 7: gonna make money right away. And most of these wrestlers,

838
00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:01,719
Speaker 7: even at the low level, the lowest level wrestler, can

839
00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:04,479
Speaker 7: make some serious money. If you're not making any money,

840
00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:06,799
Speaker 7: you're making like twelve hundred or twelve thousand a year,

841
00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:08,640
Speaker 7: all of a sudden, you can make fifty thousand dollars

842
00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:11,120
Speaker 7: a year. That's a lot of money right away. Without

843
00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:12,960
Speaker 7: having to be actually that great at boxing or that

844
00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:15,960
Speaker 7: greatest submission. You can actually make a good, significant pay increase.

845
00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:17,920
Speaker 7: And I really believe that's why I've seen a lot

846
00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:19,640
Speaker 7: of these wrestlers making the jump very quickly.

847
00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:23,759
Speaker 3: Frank Trig with us here on the Anakin Florian podcast. So,

848
00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:27,360
Speaker 3: in terms of your nerves as a fighter versus a referee,

849
00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:30,279
Speaker 3: I'd imagine there's not necessarily a point of comparison. I'll

850
00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:33,600
Speaker 3: tell you that in terms of television performance, my nerves

851
00:37:33,640 --> 00:37:35,799
Speaker 3: were different in twenty eleven when I called my first

852
00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:38,319
Speaker 3: UFC fight than they are here seven years later. But

853
00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:40,680
Speaker 3: I got to think you feel a little something when

854
00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:44,080
Speaker 3: you're about to referee a high profile MMA fight.

855
00:37:45,239 --> 00:37:46,920
Speaker 7: I'm just trying to take all the butterflies in my

856
00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:51,640
Speaker 7: stomach and make them come out in one perfect for me.

857
00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:56,759
Speaker 7: With the nerves I get. I'm not gonna lie to

858
00:37:56,800 --> 00:37:59,840
Speaker 7: you guys, man, I still get sick before the fights.

859
00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:02,719
Speaker 7: I still have anxiety before I walk in there. I

860
00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:04,640
Speaker 7: still get really nervous. And I've actually had to talk

861
00:38:04,680 --> 00:38:06,800
Speaker 7: to I had to have a long conversation on my

862
00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:10,760
Speaker 7: Beltran and separately with John McCarthy like is there something

863
00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:13,120
Speaker 7: wrong with me? Am I just not getting what's happening?

864
00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:15,080
Speaker 7: And they're like, dude, no, Like we get nerves too.

865
00:38:15,080 --> 00:38:16,440
Speaker 7: It's not that big of a deal, like to me,

866
00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:19,759
Speaker 7: especially when I'm walking into a high promotion cage, Like

867
00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:22,040
Speaker 7: if I'm walking in that first event, I'm not gonna lie.

868
00:38:22,520 --> 00:38:24,520
Speaker 7: The summer night of last year was at cub Swanson

869
00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:27,560
Speaker 7: versus Blin O'tega event. I was on the other card obviously,

870
00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:29,360
Speaker 7: which is where I belonged. I went in and I

871
00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:31,080
Speaker 7: was right, and I got really and I was like, wow,

872
00:38:31,120 --> 00:38:33,759
Speaker 7: i am literally standing back inside this cage again, and

873
00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:35,600
Speaker 7: I've got to take care of these fighters. I'm met

874
00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:38,560
Speaker 7: for fighters safety. It was nerve wracking and I really

875
00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:40,360
Speaker 7: had to calm myself down to a bunch of breathing

876
00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:42,880
Speaker 7: exercises and really calm my nerves before I asked the

877
00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:45,080
Speaker 7: fighters if they're ready to go and yell fight. And

878
00:38:45,080 --> 00:38:48,200
Speaker 7: it's still kind of that same way with me. I

879
00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:50,880
Speaker 7: still get the same nerves, the same feeling because remember,

880
00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:53,279
Speaker 7: the smells are the same, the energy is the same.

881
00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:56,359
Speaker 7: I'm walking around back, so it's all the same. So

882
00:38:56,400 --> 00:38:58,520
Speaker 7: the difference is I'm not about to get punched in

883
00:38:58,560 --> 00:38:59,560
Speaker 7: the head and I'm wearing all.

884
00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:02,360
Speaker 3: Black, right right, Well, that is good that you're not

885
00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:04,960
Speaker 3: gonna get punched in the head, But there are more eyeballs.

886
00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:07,440
Speaker 3: I would think on you than the average referee, like

887
00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:10,279
Speaker 3: a Jaron Vleel, that that people could sort of take

888
00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:12,760
Speaker 3: or leave. I mean, there is sort of a profile

889
00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:15,680
Speaker 3: that you bring to this. Do you feel like that's

890
00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:17,800
Speaker 3: part of the anxiety maybe that there is going to

891
00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:20,560
Speaker 3: be more scrutiny if something you know goes awry under

892
00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:21,960
Speaker 3: Frank Triggs watchful eye.

893
00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:25,600
Speaker 7: Absolutely, and I'm real lucky with Andy Foster and the

894
00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:28,839
Speaker 7: California Saying Commission. I've been asked to apply in other

895
00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:31,959
Speaker 7: states to rest and I've sat down and talked with Andy.

896
00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:33,319
Speaker 7: He's like, what do you think of Segua applying and

897
00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:35,359
Speaker 7: so to stay. He's like, no, don't apply yet, because

898
00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:37,040
Speaker 7: what's going to happen is going to go over there

899
00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:39,239
Speaker 7: and as soon as they can, they're going to have

900
00:39:39,239 --> 00:39:40,520
Speaker 7: you doing the main event. They're gonna have you doing

901
00:39:40,520 --> 00:39:42,279
Speaker 7: the comin event. It's going to be a big fight

902
00:39:42,680 --> 00:39:44,279
Speaker 7: and you may or may not be ready for it yet.

903
00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:46,120
Speaker 7: So what we're gonna do is gonna hold you back.

904
00:39:46,120 --> 00:39:47,640
Speaker 7: We're gonna slow you down. We're going to keep you

905
00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:49,719
Speaker 7: on on the under cars and keep you backed off

906
00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:51,600
Speaker 7: a little bit so you get some more experience because

907
00:39:52,239 --> 00:39:54,600
Speaker 7: there's no reason for me to get jumped into a

908
00:39:54,640 --> 00:39:58,000
Speaker 7: main event comine event situation like a John Joe's Gumphisson fight.

909
00:39:58,360 --> 00:40:00,879
Speaker 7: When you have her being who's got whatever seventy five

910
00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:04,479
Speaker 7: thousand bouts ref and I got about five thousand bouts ref.

911
00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:06,160
Speaker 7: It just makes sense to have her being on there.

912
00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:08,359
Speaker 7: You know, it's just how it goes. But if you're

913
00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:10,960
Speaker 7: in these other jurisdictions sometimes where you don't have access

914
00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:13,239
Speaker 7: to her beings but don't have access to Beltran or

915
00:40:13,239 --> 00:40:16,160
Speaker 7: Herzog or Mike Belt, You've only got access to me.

916
00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:17,879
Speaker 7: Then all of a sudden, I'm in the main event.

917
00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:19,520
Speaker 7: I was like, well, hold on a second, should I

918
00:40:19,560 --> 00:40:21,080
Speaker 7: be doing this title fight right now? Should I be

919
00:40:21,080 --> 00:40:23,279
Speaker 7: in this space? And it's really about ultimate at the

920
00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:25,000
Speaker 7: end of the day. The refs are there for fighter safety.

921
00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:27,680
Speaker 7: We have to be sure that we are absolutely prepared

922
00:40:27,719 --> 00:40:29,560
Speaker 7: for each one of these things that happened that could

923
00:40:29,560 --> 00:40:32,400
Speaker 7: happen potentially happens in a fight to make sure the

924
00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:35,360
Speaker 7: fighters don't do more damage to themselves or more damage

925
00:40:35,360 --> 00:40:38,640
Speaker 7: to their opponent than necessary and absolutely necessary. So they're

926
00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:40,720
Speaker 7: very good about slowing me down. In the state of California,

927
00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:43,719
Speaker 7: which makes me very happy, but Belto uses me quite

928
00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:46,480
Speaker 7: a bit when they come through California, and the UFC

929
00:40:46,600 --> 00:40:48,759
Speaker 7: uses me every time that they come through California, and

930
00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:50,800
Speaker 7: they won't be very won't be very long, I believe

931
00:40:51,120 --> 00:40:52,919
Speaker 7: before I'll be traveling with these guys, like can see

932
00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:57,399
Speaker 7: these other referees going to these other jurisdictions and reffing,

933
00:40:57,440 --> 00:40:59,880
Speaker 7: because eventually, once I get that mark and get to

934
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:02,040
Speaker 7: that space, you're like, okay, yeah, I can handle anything

935
00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:04,239
Speaker 7: that comes through. Then they're definitely start using me all

936
00:41:04,239 --> 00:41:08,160
Speaker 7: the time, just because, let's be honest. Former fighter, Yeah,

937
00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:11,319
Speaker 7: two's time, you know, fought twice the title UFC Hall

938
00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:13,520
Speaker 7: of Famer. Now he's doing the tele fight for the

939
00:41:13,600 --> 00:41:15,799
Speaker 7: UFC at the way class used to fight at Like

940
00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:18,279
Speaker 7: that's a story that runs with everybody, and my wife

941
00:41:18,320 --> 00:41:20,160
Speaker 7: and I talk about it a lot, like that will

942
00:41:20,160 --> 00:41:21,920
Speaker 7: be a story that they will try to promote and

943
00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:24,399
Speaker 7: that this will happen after this all comes out, once

944
00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:26,640
Speaker 7: we eventually get there. But I'm in no rush to

945
00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:28,240
Speaker 7: get there. I have a lot of years of wrestling.

946
00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:30,040
Speaker 7: I think this for a long time. I don't need

947
00:41:30,040 --> 00:41:32,319
Speaker 7: to force myself into the space. I'm gonna take my

948
00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:35,360
Speaker 7: time and make sure when I'm there that everybody gets

949
00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:37,080
Speaker 7: the best ref I owe it to the fighters that

950
00:41:37,120 --> 00:41:39,080
Speaker 7: are in there about to do damage to each other

951
00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:41,560
Speaker 7: that they get the best rest to help them win

952
00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:44,080
Speaker 7: that fight or if they are losing, the fighter do

953
00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:45,560
Speaker 7: have to lose the fight, that they're able to get

954
00:41:45,560 --> 00:41:46,719
Speaker 7: out of there and be able to go back to

955
00:41:46,719 --> 00:41:48,600
Speaker 7: the gym within a couple of weeks and start up

956
00:41:48,600 --> 00:41:49,120
Speaker 7: training again.

957
00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:52,279
Speaker 3: It's great, man. I love the way you're approaching this

958
00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:54,400
Speaker 3: whole thing. It's fascinating to hear you talk about it.

959
00:41:54,440 --> 00:41:56,200
Speaker 3: We got about thirty seconds left. I just want to

960
00:41:56,200 --> 00:41:58,960
Speaker 3: get your thoughts on when that Hall of Fame call

961
00:41:59,080 --> 00:42:01,560
Speaker 3: came in and you got word that you're fight at

962
00:42:01,640 --> 00:42:04,520
Speaker 3: UFC fifty two between you and Matthews was going into

963
00:42:04,520 --> 00:42:07,320
Speaker 3: the Hall of Fame. You know we see in baseball

964
00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:10,600
Speaker 3: and football the videos of these guys getting those calls.

965
00:42:10,640 --> 00:42:12,839
Speaker 3: What was it like for you when when you got

966
00:42:12,880 --> 00:42:15,080
Speaker 3: word or final word that you were going to be

967
00:42:15,120 --> 00:42:16,600
Speaker 3: a UFC Hall of Famer for life.

968
00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:18,960
Speaker 7: Well, you know, the good news is when I would

969
00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:21,120
Speaker 7: get take the hardest punch in the face, I'd poker

970
00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:23,040
Speaker 7: face and you wouldn't see any reaction. Out of me,

971
00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:24,960
Speaker 7: or I get hit with the hardest shot in the

972
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:27,200
Speaker 7: gut and like wanted to crumple my body. But I

973
00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:29,239
Speaker 7: would give no reactions. And I got the phone call

974
00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:32,680
Speaker 7: from Matt Evans. It was almost no reactions on the phone.

975
00:42:32,719 --> 00:42:34,120
Speaker 7: I was like, Okay, that that sounds gat. Yeah, I'm

976
00:42:34,120 --> 00:42:36,400
Speaker 7: available July thirteenth. I can come in and do this,

977
00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:38,120
Speaker 7: saying what's the dress code? And I was like starting

978
00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:40,319
Speaker 7: to ask like stupid questions. As soon as I hit

979
00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:43,360
Speaker 7: up the phone, I literally saw it. I started weeping.

980
00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:45,960
Speaker 7: I was like, I can't I can't believe that they

981
00:42:46,040 --> 00:42:48,239
Speaker 7: let me in. I can't believe it. I was it

982
00:42:48,280 --> 00:42:49,840
Speaker 7: was a dream of mine to be in, but it

983
00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:52,400
Speaker 7: was so far removed and there was no way. I

984
00:42:52,480 --> 00:42:55,040
Speaker 7: was seeing the categories come up. I was watching these

985
00:42:55,040 --> 00:42:57,920
Speaker 7: fights and these and these guys were going in. I'm like,

986
00:42:57,960 --> 00:42:59,560
Speaker 7: I'm just not going to qualify. It was never going

987
00:42:59,640 --> 00:43:01,760
Speaker 7: to be wait me to qualify, begain in the UFC

988
00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:04,080
Speaker 7: Hall of Fame. It's another thing that is outside of

989
00:43:04,080 --> 00:43:06,400
Speaker 7: my grass. Then I get the phone call. I was like,

990
00:43:06,560 --> 00:43:09,120
Speaker 7: it broke me. There's no lie. It completely broke me.

991
00:43:09,160 --> 00:43:11,719
Speaker 7: And if you watch my Hall of Fame speech. I

992
00:43:11,800 --> 00:43:15,560
Speaker 7: completely lose my three page speech I have memorized. I

993
00:43:15,640 --> 00:43:17,920
Speaker 7: lost it. I got up in front of everybody. I

994
00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:20,120
Speaker 7: saw Pertaters in the front row chuckle. I was in there,

995
00:43:20,200 --> 00:43:22,560
Speaker 7: Joe Soova, and I lost it. I had no idea

996
00:43:22,640 --> 00:43:23,719
Speaker 7: what I was about to say, so I had to

997
00:43:23,719 --> 00:43:26,160
Speaker 7: make everything up as I went along because it was

998
00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:28,880
Speaker 7: so emotional. It was such a tear jerker for me.

999
00:43:29,160 --> 00:43:30,360
Speaker 7: I mean, my wife and I had a couple of

1000
00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:31,960
Speaker 7: times we were like, dude, this is real, Like this

1001
00:43:32,040 --> 00:43:34,720
Speaker 7: is a real thing that's happening right now, You're being inducted.

1002
00:43:34,760 --> 00:43:36,279
Speaker 7: I was like, I can't believe it. Like running around

1003
00:43:36,320 --> 00:43:38,920
Speaker 7: that day, it's the day of the induction. I almost

1004
00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:40,200
Speaker 7: lost it again. I was like, gonna have to sit

1005
00:43:40,239 --> 00:43:42,120
Speaker 7: in it back with DJ and Matt and not go

1006
00:43:42,200 --> 00:43:43,759
Speaker 7: out for a couple minutes because I couldn't pull it together.

1007
00:43:44,440 --> 00:43:46,799
Speaker 3: And well, you deserve it, man, and we're happy for

1008
00:43:46,840 --> 00:43:48,960
Speaker 3: all your success. We love seeing you at the UFC

1009
00:43:49,040 --> 00:43:51,680
Speaker 3: events and excited to see you in more jurisdictions as

1010
00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:54,359
Speaker 3: referee going forward. Man, really a credit to the sport

1011
00:43:54,360 --> 00:43:57,160
Speaker 3: of mixed martial arts, and appreciate a few minutes today,

1012
00:43:57,160 --> 00:43:58,240
Speaker 3: my man, Thanks for the time.

1013
00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:00,920
Speaker 7: Thanks guys so much. A really craiuck you're sir.

1014
00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:03,440
Speaker 3: There he is Frank Trigg with us here on the

1015
00:44:03,440 --> 00:44:06,359
Speaker 3: Anakin Florian podcast, and I think you're gonna see this

1016
00:44:06,480 --> 00:44:09,880
Speaker 3: happen increasingly and I'm hopeful for that. I think Vitor

1017
00:44:09,920 --> 00:44:12,560
Speaker 3: Shallon Robero Kenny was a guy who we saw as

1018
00:44:12,560 --> 00:44:14,960
Speaker 3: an MMA referee, sort of one of the first pro

1019
00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:17,080
Speaker 3: fighters that I can recall taking that plunge. I mean,

1020
00:44:17,120 --> 00:44:19,920
Speaker 3: certainly guys like Herb Dean have pro fighting experience, and

1021
00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:21,919
Speaker 3: there are some other guys, but at least the way

1022
00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:25,200
Speaker 3: it is right now, the way the money is constructed,

1023
00:44:25,560 --> 00:44:27,439
Speaker 3: it's hard for guys to make a full time living

1024
00:44:27,480 --> 00:44:29,200
Speaker 3: doing this. But when you're a guy like Frank Trigg,

1025
00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:31,320
Speaker 3: got your hand in a lot of different jars, you

1026
00:44:31,360 --> 00:44:32,280
Speaker 3: can make it work. I guess.

1027
00:44:32,320 --> 00:44:32,560
Speaker 4: Well.

1028
00:44:32,600 --> 00:44:34,359
Speaker 6: The one thing that really stands out when you talk

1029
00:44:34,440 --> 00:44:38,400
Speaker 6: to Frank first of all, is again that passion, that

1030
00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:42,799
Speaker 6: love for mixed martial arts and just his authentic aim

1031
00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:47,279
Speaker 6: in wanting to create this safest environment possible for the

1032
00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:51,319
Speaker 6: fighters that are competing inside the octagon. And again it

1033
00:44:51,360 --> 00:44:53,680
Speaker 6: has to be a passion project. This isn't something that

1034
00:44:53,719 --> 00:44:56,360
Speaker 6: you do like, Hey, I want to make a million dollars, right,

1035
00:44:56,880 --> 00:44:59,680
Speaker 6: You see a guy that genuinely wants to help guys

1036
00:44:59,719 --> 00:45:01,759
Speaker 6: in the sport, A guy who wants to take his

1037
00:45:01,840 --> 00:45:07,440
Speaker 6: experience as a fighter and just basically make sure that

1038
00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:10,600
Speaker 6: the highest level of refereeing is going to take place.

1039
00:45:10,640 --> 00:45:11,239
Speaker 2: And you see it.

1040
00:45:11,360 --> 00:45:14,399
Speaker 6: I mean, he wants to take his time before he's

1041
00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:17,560
Speaker 6: able to do the comains and the main events, and

1042
00:45:18,440 --> 00:45:20,680
Speaker 6: it's just awesome to hear. Man, those are the kind

1043
00:45:20,719 --> 00:45:22,560
Speaker 6: of guys that we need in this sport.

1044
00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:25,279
Speaker 3: And he's getting to his comfort zone as you heard

1045
00:45:25,320 --> 00:45:28,200
Speaker 3: him articulate there. But it's funny when you think about

1046
00:45:28,239 --> 00:45:32,719
Speaker 3: the nerves and the similarities between fighting and refereeing and

1047
00:45:32,760 --> 00:45:34,759
Speaker 3: performing right, because I know you and I have said

1048
00:45:34,760 --> 00:45:37,959
Speaker 3: when it comes to TV performance, when you lose those

1049
00:45:37,960 --> 00:45:40,840
Speaker 3: butterflies with finality and you don't ever get them again,

1050
00:45:40,880 --> 00:45:42,600
Speaker 3: you probably want to go sell real estate or do

1051
00:45:42,680 --> 00:45:46,160
Speaker 3: something else. Right, those I think can be a performance enhancer.

1052
00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:48,840
Speaker 3: And you know when the pay per view music starts

1053
00:45:48,840 --> 00:45:50,719
Speaker 3: to hit and you sort of feel that rush going

1054
00:45:50,760 --> 00:45:53,719
Speaker 3: through your body. You know, I never said I got

1055
00:45:53,719 --> 00:45:55,319
Speaker 3: into this sort of for the rush part of it,

1056
00:45:55,400 --> 00:45:58,160
Speaker 3: but maybe subconsciously Kenny, there is an addiction there, that

1057
00:45:58,239 --> 00:46:01,120
Speaker 3: adrenaline rush that you do get courtesy of those nerves.

1058
00:46:01,120 --> 00:46:01,480
Speaker 3: I don't know.

1059
00:46:01,680 --> 00:46:04,480
Speaker 6: Yeah, two people are about to throw down in the octagon,

1060
00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:06,880
Speaker 6: about to fight at the highest level, you know what

1061
00:46:06,920 --> 00:46:08,520
Speaker 6: I mean. Of course you should be a little bit

1062
00:46:08,560 --> 00:46:11,799
Speaker 6: nervous that the energy in there is unlike any other

1063
00:46:11,920 --> 00:46:16,960
Speaker 6: sport period and you know, guys like you understand, you know,

1064
00:46:17,080 --> 00:46:20,320
Speaker 6: being there and then being inside the octgun, I imagine

1065
00:46:20,360 --> 00:46:23,600
Speaker 6: it's a very similar thing. I mean, guys are about

1066
00:46:23,600 --> 00:46:26,160
Speaker 6: to throw down and you're responsible for them. So that

1067
00:46:26,280 --> 00:46:27,600
Speaker 6: is a huge responsibility.

1068
00:46:28,080 --> 00:46:31,160
Speaker 3: And Kenny Florian has a huge responsibility in his daughter.

1069
00:46:31,239 --> 00:46:33,400
Speaker 3: So he will not be a mixed martial arts referee.

1070
00:46:33,480 --> 00:46:36,200
Speaker 3: But but those asking him, sorry, Kenny's not going to

1071
00:46:36,280 --> 00:46:38,480
Speaker 3: go on and become an MMA referee, all right now

1072
00:46:38,480 --> 00:46:40,640
Speaker 3: with us on the guest line, this guy actually would

1073
00:46:40,680 --> 00:46:43,120
Speaker 3: make a damn good referee for my money. Nine time

1074
00:46:43,239 --> 00:46:46,560
Speaker 3: UFC veteran head coach of the Stars at American Top Team,

1075
00:46:46,960 --> 00:46:51,040
Speaker 3: and I would say this, you know, with complete veracity. Right.

1076
00:46:51,120 --> 00:46:53,360
Speaker 3: One of the best people that Ken Flow and I

1077
00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:56,000
Speaker 3: have met in our time in mixed martial arts, the

1078
00:46:56,000 --> 00:46:58,560
Speaker 3: great Dean Thomas is with us a man DT. How

1079
00:46:58,560 --> 00:47:02,160
Speaker 3: are you this morning, Fellas and Kenny?

1080
00:47:02,239 --> 00:47:05,960
Speaker 1: If you if you feel like you think I'm a

1081
00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:07,840
Speaker 1: good guy, why did you bounce my head off the

1082
00:47:07,880 --> 00:47:10,200
Speaker 1: cane floor like you did when we saw.

1083
00:47:10,280 --> 00:47:12,600
Speaker 6: Oh man, I had to, I had to, But you

1084
00:47:12,640 --> 00:47:14,839
Speaker 6: got me back. What people don't know is I brought

1085
00:47:14,920 --> 00:47:18,520
Speaker 6: Dean Thomas out before I fought BJ Penn, and I

1086
00:47:18,520 --> 00:47:20,400
Speaker 6: think he beat me up for a week straight.

1087
00:47:20,480 --> 00:47:22,720
Speaker 2: It was it was all my dude.

1088
00:47:22,760 --> 00:47:25,840
Speaker 6: You tattooed me with those boxing gloves day in and

1089
00:47:25,880 --> 00:47:26,279
Speaker 6: day out.

1090
00:47:26,280 --> 00:47:27,640
Speaker 2: So thank you for that. You got me back.

1091
00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:30,680
Speaker 1: Hey, so you I heard you guys talking about refereeing.

1092
00:47:30,680 --> 00:47:33,080
Speaker 1: Now here's the interesting fact for you guys. I actually

1093
00:47:33,120 --> 00:47:35,320
Speaker 1: refereed a couple of fights way way way back in

1094
00:47:35,360 --> 00:47:38,480
Speaker 1: the day. I refereed Georgia Vera versus Brandon Lee Hinkle

1095
00:47:38,719 --> 00:47:41,640
Speaker 1: and I actually referee Dan Severn versus West Sims.

1096
00:47:41,840 --> 00:47:44,160
Speaker 2: Oh is that a gym? Was that in a gym somewhere?

1097
00:47:44,160 --> 00:47:44,719
Speaker 2: What was that?

1098
00:47:45,920 --> 00:47:49,480
Speaker 10: This was like in Ohio or West Virginia or some

1099
00:47:49,560 --> 00:47:53,399
Speaker 10: crazy fight back in back like early two thousands.

1100
00:47:53,680 --> 00:47:55,440
Speaker 2: But you're not an official referee.

1101
00:47:56,520 --> 00:47:58,640
Speaker 1: No, I'm not in official. This was before MMA was

1102
00:47:58,680 --> 00:48:00,720
Speaker 1: sanctioned to anybody, just referee?

1103
00:48:01,840 --> 00:48:02,520
Speaker 3: How'd you do?

1104
00:48:02,760 --> 00:48:04,080
Speaker 2: I love it, dude?

1105
00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:05,880
Speaker 3: How did it go for you?

1106
00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:08,960
Speaker 1: But I'm not how did it go? It was tough.

1107
00:48:09,239 --> 00:48:10,719
Speaker 1: I'm a good referee, you know what I'm saying. I

1108
00:48:10,840 --> 00:48:12,680
Speaker 1: know the game, you know, so like I know how

1109
00:48:12,680 --> 00:48:14,399
Speaker 1: to stay out of the way and I know when

1110
00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:16,240
Speaker 1: guys are done. So it was a lot of fun.

1111
00:48:16,360 --> 00:48:17,600
Speaker 1: But I don't know if I ever want to do

1112
00:48:17,640 --> 00:48:21,280
Speaker 1: it as a profession though. I think and I commend

1113
00:48:21,360 --> 00:48:24,560
Speaker 1: Frank Trigg for being a referee and taking his experience

1114
00:48:24,600 --> 00:48:27,280
Speaker 1: into the referee world. But I just wish more fighters

1115
00:48:27,280 --> 00:48:30,840
Speaker 1: would become judges because I think that's where MMA is

1116
00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:32,239
Speaker 1: suffering the most.

1117
00:48:32,360 --> 00:48:34,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think Frank does some of that too,

1118
00:48:34,280 --> 00:48:37,120
Speaker 3: And oftentimes on the smaller shows, you have referees judging

1119
00:48:37,120 --> 00:48:39,680
Speaker 3: fights while they're not refereeing, and that becomes a big

1120
00:48:39,719 --> 00:48:42,440
Speaker 3: part of what they do on that night. As far

1121
00:48:42,480 --> 00:48:44,279
Speaker 3: as your fight with Kenny Floury, and I wasn't even

1122
00:48:44,280 --> 00:48:46,000
Speaker 3: going to talk about it today, but you sort of

1123
00:48:46,040 --> 00:48:48,879
Speaker 3: injected it into the conversation. It was September of two

1124
00:48:48,960 --> 00:48:50,960
Speaker 3: thousand and seven. It was a win for kenfl by

1125
00:48:51,000 --> 00:48:53,239
Speaker 3: rear naked choke in round one. But the fight for

1126
00:48:53,320 --> 00:48:55,640
Speaker 3: you prior to that May of two thousand and seven,

1127
00:48:55,920 --> 00:48:58,480
Speaker 3: you submitted Jeremy Stevens. I know you also had a

1128
00:48:58,480 --> 00:49:01,919
Speaker 3: split decision win over MAT's era. What was sort of

1129
00:49:01,960 --> 00:49:05,560
Speaker 3: the biggest UFC moment for you inside the octagon? Like,

1130
00:49:05,600 --> 00:49:07,239
Speaker 3: what's the first video you show the kid?

1131
00:49:08,360 --> 00:49:11,240
Speaker 1: The first video I show the kids? Oh wow, Probably

1132
00:49:11,280 --> 00:49:14,720
Speaker 1: it has to be the Jeremy Stephens thing only because

1133
00:49:14,800 --> 00:49:17,400
Speaker 1: like I mean, obviously at one and well, you know

1134
00:49:17,440 --> 00:49:19,560
Speaker 1: what it was. It was a Jeremy Stephens dance after

1135
00:49:19,600 --> 00:49:21,520
Speaker 1: I won. That's kind of what I showed them, Like,

1136
00:49:21,800 --> 00:49:24,160
Speaker 1: forget the fight, just to dance. Yeah, I think that's

1137
00:49:24,239 --> 00:49:25,120
Speaker 1: kind of what I show him.

1138
00:49:25,600 --> 00:49:29,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, And when Kene remember me, Ken Flow shows his

1139
00:49:29,280 --> 00:49:34,200
Speaker 3: daughter the Dan Thomas fight, Janny, you.

1140
00:49:34,160 --> 00:49:36,239
Speaker 7: Better stop, man, you better stop.

1141
00:49:38,120 --> 00:49:38,920
Speaker 3: Kid, kiss me love.

1142
00:49:38,960 --> 00:49:39,160
Speaker 7: Hey.

1143
00:49:39,239 --> 00:49:42,839
Speaker 3: So, so the big news this week, Ben Askern UFC bound.

1144
00:49:42,880 --> 00:49:45,960
Speaker 3: You guys fought on the same card together in Columbia,

1145
00:49:45,960 --> 00:49:48,840
Speaker 3: Missouri in two thousand and nine. It was your featherweight debut.

1146
00:49:48,920 --> 00:49:49,680
Speaker 3: Do I have that right?

1147
00:49:50,480 --> 00:49:54,880
Speaker 1: Yeah? It was Yeah, that was yeah, that was one

1148
00:49:54,960 --> 00:49:56,920
Speaker 1: hundred and forty five pounds. I taught a kid name

1149
00:49:57,600 --> 00:50:00,719
Speaker 1: Dustin Peekin and it.

1150
00:50:00,640 --> 00:50:02,880
Speaker 10: Was in it, like you said, Columbia, Missouri. It was

1151
00:50:03,239 --> 00:50:07,080
Speaker 10: Tyron Woodley's debut fight. It was Ben Askron's debut fight

1152
00:50:07,160 --> 00:50:11,719
Speaker 10: as professional and also on the undercard as a amateur

1153
00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:14,280
Speaker 10: was Neil Magny and I was the main event.

1154
00:50:14,680 --> 00:50:15,200
Speaker 2: Wow.

1155
00:50:15,200 --> 00:50:17,200
Speaker 1: Interesting right, interesting history I have.

1156
00:50:18,160 --> 00:50:20,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, he said, look at it Tyron Woodley all the

1157
00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:22,440
Speaker 3: way down that fight card.

1158
00:50:22,640 --> 00:50:22,960
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1159
00:50:23,000 --> 00:50:25,920
Speaker 3: So was that your first brush with Ben Askron that

1160
00:50:26,080 --> 00:50:27,879
Speaker 3: night or no.

1161
00:50:27,560 --> 00:50:30,200
Speaker 1: No, No. I had met Ben before Ben had come

1162
00:50:30,239 --> 00:50:32,360
Speaker 1: to you know, I lived in Port I lived in

1163
00:50:32,440 --> 00:50:34,719
Speaker 1: Port Sante Lucis, Florida, had a gym there, and Ben

1164
00:50:34,760 --> 00:50:38,439
Speaker 1: had came to Florida like probably two thousand and six

1165
00:50:38,520 --> 00:50:40,960
Speaker 1: or two thousand and seven to do wrestling camps and

1166
00:50:41,000 --> 00:50:42,799
Speaker 1: he stopped by my gym and me and him became

1167
00:50:42,840 --> 00:50:45,600
Speaker 1: good friends there. So that way back then. So me

1168
00:50:45,600 --> 00:50:47,360
Speaker 1: and him had been friends for a long time. And

1169
00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:50,960
Speaker 1: I'm just happy that Ben now had the opportunity to

1170
00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:53,520
Speaker 1: showcase his skills in the UFC before it's too late

1171
00:50:53,520 --> 00:50:55,440
Speaker 1: for him, because I still think he has a lot

1172
00:50:55,520 --> 00:50:57,600
Speaker 1: of good fight less than him because UFC kind of

1173
00:50:57,600 --> 00:50:59,400
Speaker 1: has a tendency to bring guys in when it's too

1174
00:50:59,480 --> 00:51:02,480
Speaker 1: late for him. But I think Ben is probably a

1175
00:51:02,520 --> 00:51:03,320
Speaker 1: smarter fighter.

1176
00:51:03,360 --> 00:51:03,560
Speaker 7: Now.

1177
00:51:03,840 --> 00:51:05,480
Speaker 1: He may have a little ring wrest but I think

1178
00:51:05,480 --> 00:51:08,200
Speaker 1: he's a I think he's a tremendous asset to the

1179
00:51:08,200 --> 00:51:09,800
Speaker 1: wealthy weight division in the UFC.

1180
00:51:10,239 --> 00:51:10,719
Speaker 2: You know Gin Now.

1181
00:51:10,760 --> 00:51:14,120
Speaker 6: I don't think a lot of people realize how good

1182
00:51:15,200 --> 00:51:19,360
Speaker 6: an Olympian, an Olympic level wrestler really is in the

1183
00:51:19,400 --> 00:51:23,320
Speaker 6: training room, for example, You've seen it firsthand, and especially

1184
00:51:23,320 --> 00:51:26,400
Speaker 6: the unique style that Askroin brings with that funk style wrestling,

1185
00:51:26,440 --> 00:51:28,520
Speaker 6: the way that he counters, the way that he grammy rolls,

1186
00:51:28,520 --> 00:51:31,080
Speaker 6: all the funky stuff that he does out there, It's

1187
00:51:31,080 --> 00:51:34,680
Speaker 6: amazing to watch for me, How can you explain it

1188
00:51:34,719 --> 00:51:38,480
Speaker 6: to guys? Just as far as the quality of wrestler

1189
00:51:38,520 --> 00:51:39,279
Speaker 6: that Asperin is.

1190
00:51:40,040 --> 00:51:42,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, and like people don't know. I mean, and I'm watching.

1191
00:51:42,920 --> 00:51:45,520
Speaker 1: It's funny because I'm kind of comparing it to Connor McGregor.

1192
00:51:45,560 --> 00:51:48,080
Speaker 1: When Connor McGregor first came out, he was talking a

1193
00:51:48,080 --> 00:51:49,880
Speaker 1: lot and people didn't want to believe him, but it

1194
00:51:49,960 --> 00:51:51,719
Speaker 1: just didn't want to see a guy talk so much

1195
00:51:52,239 --> 00:51:54,279
Speaker 1: and be good. And I think the same thing is

1196
00:51:54,280 --> 00:51:56,400
Speaker 1: going to happen with Ben. Like he's talking a lot now,

1197
00:51:57,320 --> 00:51:59,239
Speaker 1: but you're not going to be able to prepare for

1198
00:51:59,320 --> 00:52:01,919
Speaker 1: how good he is. It's almost grappling with like two

1199
00:52:01,960 --> 00:52:05,280
Speaker 1: different people at the same time. I mean, it's really weird.

1200
00:52:05,360 --> 00:52:08,480
Speaker 1: Like you just you can't really mimic the amount of

1201
00:52:08,560 --> 00:52:10,759
Speaker 1: pressure that he could put on you when he's on

1202
00:52:10,800 --> 00:52:12,400
Speaker 1: top of you. You just can't do it. And then

1203
00:52:12,400 --> 00:52:14,239
Speaker 1: when you if you get on top of him, you

1204
00:52:14,360 --> 00:52:16,640
Speaker 1: just can't stop him from moving. There's no way to

1205
00:52:16,760 --> 00:52:19,480
Speaker 1: like stop all his body parts from moving. He is

1206
00:52:19,520 --> 00:52:23,799
Speaker 1: a tremendous grappler, a tremendous wrestler, and one of the

1207
00:52:23,800 --> 00:52:26,799
Speaker 1: best competitors I've ever seen compete now dd.

1208
00:52:26,880 --> 00:52:29,600
Speaker 6: One thing that people aren't talking about is the fact

1209
00:52:29,640 --> 00:52:33,600
Speaker 6: that Askron has helped Tyron Woodley right for prepare for

1210
00:52:33,640 --> 00:52:37,400
Speaker 6: a lot of matches. They wrestled together at University of Missouri.

1211
00:52:37,440 --> 00:52:38,680
Speaker 6: Was it at the same time.

1212
00:52:39,120 --> 00:52:39,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, he did.

1213
00:52:39,719 --> 00:52:40,400
Speaker 2: They were a teammates.

1214
00:52:40,440 --> 00:52:43,920
Speaker 1: Tyron was a little bit older right than then, but

1215
00:52:44,080 --> 00:52:45,840
Speaker 1: they wrestled, or they were teammates.

1216
00:52:45,920 --> 00:52:48,680
Speaker 6: Now they're gonna be fighting. It looks like in the

1217
00:52:48,719 --> 00:52:52,719
Speaker 6: same division. Could we see a Tyron Woodley versus Ben

1218
00:52:52,760 --> 00:52:54,080
Speaker 6: Askron fight in the future.

1219
00:52:54,120 --> 00:52:55,440
Speaker 2: You know both of these guys.

1220
00:52:55,960 --> 00:52:58,360
Speaker 1: I know both of them, and I can't imagine the

1221
00:52:58,480 --> 00:53:01,960
Speaker 1: Tyron would ever fight Ben just because Tyron Like part

1222
00:53:01,960 --> 00:53:04,120
Speaker 1: of the reason why Tyrone is champion is because of Ben.

1223
00:53:04,200 --> 00:53:07,120
Speaker 1: Like Tyron gets so much from Ben, like just the

1224
00:53:07,280 --> 00:53:10,239
Speaker 1: energy and just you know, something that Ben brings to

1225
00:53:10,280 --> 00:53:12,839
Speaker 1: the table. Tyrone really feeds off of that. I can't

1226
00:53:12,880 --> 00:53:15,440
Speaker 1: imagine Tyron ever wanting to stand across from him and

1227
00:53:15,480 --> 00:53:17,320
Speaker 1: really fight of it. I don't think it'll ever happen.

1228
00:53:18,200 --> 00:53:20,719
Speaker 3: Dean Thomas will us here on the Anakin Florian Podcast.

1229
00:53:20,800 --> 00:53:23,720
Speaker 3: So Amanda noon As two months from today will challenge

1230
00:53:23,800 --> 00:53:26,840
Speaker 3: Chris Cyborg and try to become the first women's simultaneous

1231
00:53:26,840 --> 00:53:29,400
Speaker 3: two division champion in UFC history. And I got to

1232
00:53:29,440 --> 00:53:33,000
Speaker 3: imagine you're pretty excited with this challenge and this opportunity.

1233
00:53:33,280 --> 00:53:35,440
Speaker 3: But I don't think shock the world is sort of

1234
00:53:35,480 --> 00:53:36,839
Speaker 3: the way to put it. I feel like a lot

1235
00:53:36,880 --> 00:53:39,720
Speaker 3: of sharp minds out there not only are picking Amanda

1236
00:53:39,760 --> 00:53:41,879
Speaker 3: noon Az to win this fight, but but they're putting

1237
00:53:41,920 --> 00:53:43,360
Speaker 3: their money where their mouth is already.

1238
00:53:44,560 --> 00:53:46,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll tell you what, Like it's a tough it's

1239
00:53:46,440 --> 00:53:49,399
Speaker 1: a tough fight for both girls, you know, Like if

1240
00:53:49,400 --> 00:53:51,839
Speaker 1: you just like, if you're an uneducated fan, you look

1241
00:53:51,840 --> 00:53:53,719
Speaker 1: at Cyborg and say, oh, yes, she's gonna win. You know,

1242
00:53:53,800 --> 00:53:56,799
Speaker 1: she got the size of advantagy figure. But you know,

1243
00:53:57,280 --> 00:53:59,920
Speaker 1: if you're educated, you see that Amanda brings a lot.

1244
00:53:59,760 --> 00:54:00,440
Speaker 4: To the table.

1245
00:54:00,920 --> 00:54:04,560
Speaker 1: She's a tremendous athlete. She hits hard, She's got a

1246
00:54:04,680 --> 00:54:07,719
Speaker 1: very diverse skill set, and she can present a lot

1247
00:54:07,719 --> 00:54:11,520
Speaker 1: of problems to Cyborg. It's a tough fight for both girls.

1248
00:54:11,800 --> 00:54:13,400
Speaker 1: It's one that you know, I think it's going to

1249
00:54:13,440 --> 00:54:15,799
Speaker 1: come down to who who prepares the best and who's

1250
00:54:15,840 --> 00:54:18,160
Speaker 1: the sharpest on that night. But I think, you know,

1251
00:54:18,239 --> 00:54:20,600
Speaker 1: so you know, obviously training really hard for it, but

1252
00:54:20,800 --> 00:54:23,000
Speaker 1: I think it really does come down to preparation.

1253
00:54:23,239 --> 00:54:26,600
Speaker 3: And another guy you're preparing. Pedro Munozi fights Brian Carroway,

1254
00:54:26,680 --> 00:54:30,799
Speaker 3: November thirtieth. How many UFC fighters are you cornering right now?

1255
00:54:30,840 --> 00:54:33,320
Speaker 3: I mean, how are you sort of holding up with

1256
00:54:33,719 --> 00:54:34,480
Speaker 3: the week to week?

1257
00:54:36,160 --> 00:54:38,719
Speaker 1: I had to stop some of the UFC guys so

1258
00:54:38,760 --> 00:54:40,879
Speaker 1: I could kind of focus a little bit more on

1259
00:54:40,920 --> 00:54:43,440
Speaker 1: our up and coming guys, because you know, when you know, eventually,

1260
00:54:43,440 --> 00:54:45,080
Speaker 1: you know, these guys they leave, you know, the UFC

1261
00:54:45,120 --> 00:54:47,400
Speaker 1: guys eventually get cut. We've got to make sure that

1262
00:54:47,400 --> 00:54:49,440
Speaker 1: we have some guys, you know, waiting to get in,

1263
00:54:49,560 --> 00:54:52,000
Speaker 1: so I'm kind of focusing on them right now, but

1264
00:54:52,200 --> 00:54:54,399
Speaker 1: i still always have my hands full with UFC guys.

1265
00:54:54,640 --> 00:54:57,040
Speaker 1: I'm just getting back from from Canada. I didn't see

1266
00:54:57,040 --> 00:54:59,319
Speaker 1: you out there, John. I was in Canada with Yes

1267
00:54:59,360 --> 00:55:02,840
Speaker 1: and AI obviously didn't didn't get the w but you know,

1268
00:55:02,880 --> 00:55:05,040
Speaker 1: he's still you know, still fought a good fight against

1269
00:55:05,080 --> 00:55:08,160
Speaker 1: Stevie Ray. But I was out there with him. But

1270
00:55:08,400 --> 00:55:10,280
Speaker 1: you know, after that, I'm going to China with Jessica

1271
00:55:10,320 --> 00:55:12,799
Speaker 1: Aguilar and then just you know, I'm more still working

1272
00:55:12,800 --> 00:55:15,520
Speaker 1: with Greg Hardy, So you know, it's just, you know,

1273
00:55:15,719 --> 00:55:17,799
Speaker 1: got my hands full everyday working with these But I'm

1274
00:55:17,880 --> 00:55:20,360
Speaker 1: organized though, I mean I attribute that to our organization.

1275
00:55:20,880 --> 00:55:23,400
Speaker 1: I know, You've got reports on all my guys, and

1276
00:55:23,120 --> 00:55:27,560
Speaker 1: I record everything that they do, so I'm always on

1277
00:55:27,640 --> 00:55:28,440
Speaker 1: top of what they're doing.

1278
00:55:28,520 --> 00:55:30,719
Speaker 6: Dean, what days do you do you take a bubble bath?

1279
00:55:31,040 --> 00:55:35,040
Speaker 6: Just you just chilling with some anya playing in the background.

1280
00:55:35,239 --> 00:55:35,920
Speaker 2: When when did.

1281
00:55:37,520 --> 00:55:40,560
Speaker 1: And you playing in the backgrounds I got the cow

1282
00:55:40,680 --> 00:55:46,920
Speaker 1: gone and a Robert Ducky in the bathtub on Sundays.

1283
00:55:45,160 --> 00:55:46,520
Speaker 2: All right, you got a wreck.

1284
00:55:47,920 --> 00:55:50,440
Speaker 3: You mentioned the IRII fight and I did watch it

1285
00:55:50,480 --> 00:55:53,200
Speaker 3: on UFC Fight Pass against Stevie Ray. I didn't quite

1286
00:55:53,239 --> 00:55:55,319
Speaker 3: realize that you were there, so my apologies for that.

1287
00:55:55,400 --> 00:55:57,040
Speaker 3: But a lot of people thought maybe he could have

1288
00:55:57,040 --> 00:55:59,920
Speaker 3: gotten the nod. How did you feel after those fifteen minutes?

1289
00:56:00,800 --> 00:56:01,839
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I thought he won.

1290
00:56:02,080 --> 00:56:02,799
Speaker 7: I thought it was close.

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Speaker 1: I didn't think he got robbed, but I did think

1292
00:56:04,640 --> 00:56:06,640
Speaker 1: he won. But here's this is what I was saying

1293
00:56:06,640 --> 00:56:08,359
Speaker 1: about judging. I mean, we have to do a better

1294
00:56:08,440 --> 00:56:12,560
Speaker 1: job of establishing what the criteria is like. And also

1295
00:56:13,040 --> 00:56:15,400
Speaker 1: at some point we have to make the decision to go.

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00:56:15,440 --> 00:56:17,600
Speaker 1: You know, we need to open scoring because you know,

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00:56:17,920 --> 00:56:20,360
Speaker 1: going into the third round, he's thinking he's winning. Now,

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00:56:20,440 --> 00:56:23,800
Speaker 1: obviously I thought he could have did more to establish

1299
00:56:23,920 --> 00:56:26,840
Speaker 1: himself as the winner, but just punching more and you know,

1300
00:56:26,920 --> 00:56:29,760
Speaker 1: countering the kicks a little better. But he's thinking he's winning.

1301
00:56:29,800 --> 00:56:31,799
Speaker 1: But there was no urgency for him because he can't

1302
00:56:31,800 --> 00:56:34,000
Speaker 1: look up at the scoreboard and say, look, I'm losing

1303
00:56:34,000 --> 00:56:35,880
Speaker 1: this fight. I need to do something to win because

1304
00:56:35,920 --> 00:56:37,840
Speaker 1: in his head he's thinking he's winning, so he just

1305
00:56:37,920 --> 00:56:40,200
Speaker 1: kind of he's chilling. He's chilling. He's chilling. But I

1306
00:56:40,200 --> 00:56:42,640
Speaker 1: think open scoring solves that problem if we have open

1307
00:56:42,640 --> 00:56:44,640
Speaker 1: score wherecause he could look up at the score and say, look,

1308
00:56:44,960 --> 00:56:46,960
Speaker 1: you're losing this fight. You may think you're winning, but

1309
00:56:47,000 --> 00:56:49,000
Speaker 1: you're losing this fight. You need to step on the gas.

1310
00:56:49,320 --> 00:56:51,799
Speaker 1: But but again, you know, it's just the fight game.

1311
00:56:51,840 --> 00:56:53,560
Speaker 1: I think we just need to do a better job

1312
00:56:53,600 --> 00:56:56,760
Speaker 1: of clarifying what's scoring points and what's not scoring points,

1313
00:56:56,760 --> 00:56:58,800
Speaker 1: because it's all you know, it's all up to the judges,

1314
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Speaker 1: but we don't know what they're thinking during the middle

1315
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Speaker 1: of the fight.

1316
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Speaker 3: Right, No, you and I have talked about open scoring.

1317
00:57:03,640 --> 00:57:05,680
Speaker 3: I'm a proponent of it as well. It's not without

1318
00:57:05,680 --> 00:57:07,560
Speaker 3: its holes, right, there are some issues with it, but

1319
00:57:07,640 --> 00:57:10,680
Speaker 3: I am largely all for open scoring. Our final thing

1320
00:57:10,719 --> 00:57:14,440
Speaker 3: before we let you go personally professionally, I mean, we

1321
00:57:14,600 --> 00:57:16,160
Speaker 3: just had Ray Long go on and he was saying

1322
00:57:16,200 --> 00:57:17,880
Speaker 3: he's sort of starting to fatigue a little bit, and

1323
00:57:17,920 --> 00:57:20,320
Speaker 3: you're trying to shift your focus to where you think

1324
00:57:20,320 --> 00:57:23,400
Speaker 3: it needs to be. But relative to how you thought

1325
00:57:23,400 --> 00:57:26,680
Speaker 3: this part of your professional life would play out, are

1326
00:57:26,720 --> 00:57:28,960
Speaker 3: you happy? I mean, how are you holding up to

1327
00:57:29,080 --> 00:57:30,680
Speaker 3: the to the MMA weekly grind?

1328
00:57:31,520 --> 00:57:33,280
Speaker 7: Oh Man I love it. I love it.

1329
00:57:33,360 --> 00:57:35,600
Speaker 1: I have a lot of autonomy in what I'm doing.

1330
00:57:35,640 --> 00:57:38,480
Speaker 1: You know, I got this unique opportunity to be an

1331
00:57:38,600 --> 00:57:40,480
Speaker 1: MMA coaching the American top team, and it gives me

1332
00:57:40,520 --> 00:57:44,120
Speaker 1: a lot of freedom to work with, you know, the

1333
00:57:44,160 --> 00:57:46,360
Speaker 1: people that I want to work with, and they give

1334
00:57:46,400 --> 00:57:49,520
Speaker 1: me a lot of freedom to really kind of sit

1335
00:57:49,600 --> 00:57:51,360
Speaker 1: down and look at the game from a different set

1336
00:57:51,360 --> 00:57:53,919
Speaker 1: of eyes. Because you know, when you're fighting, you're looking

1337
00:57:53,960 --> 00:57:56,440
Speaker 1: at the game from your set of eyes and what

1338
00:57:56,600 --> 00:57:58,360
Speaker 1: your skill set allows you to be able to do.

1339
00:57:58,440 --> 00:58:00,880
Speaker 1: But for me, I'm looking at it from this broad

1340
00:58:00,960 --> 00:58:03,520
Speaker 1: perspective and I can see everything now, so like I'm

1341
00:58:03,520 --> 00:58:07,400
Speaker 1: a much I'm a much smarter person in terms of

1342
00:58:07,440 --> 00:58:09,680
Speaker 1: EMMA now than I was when I was actually fighting.

1343
00:58:10,160 --> 00:58:12,400
Speaker 1: And I don't know, I just love where I'm at.

1344
00:58:12,440 --> 00:58:13,080
Speaker 7: As far as the game.

1345
00:58:13,200 --> 00:58:16,120
Speaker 1: I can't necessarily say that I love the MMA game itself,

1346
00:58:16,160 --> 00:58:19,360
Speaker 1: but the fighting aspect and the strategy of that, I

1347
00:58:19,520 --> 00:58:20,640
Speaker 1: just I love that part of it.

1348
00:58:20,920 --> 00:58:23,520
Speaker 3: And I've seen your film and your scouting reports, and

1349
00:58:23,600 --> 00:58:26,440
Speaker 3: I put your knowledge and your ability to sort of

1350
00:58:26,800 --> 00:58:30,080
Speaker 3: make that knowledge work for you and your fighters. I

1351
00:58:30,160 --> 00:58:32,680
Speaker 3: put it up against anybody in the game Dean Thomas,

1352
00:58:32,680 --> 00:58:34,280
Speaker 3: thank you for the time, my man. Wish you all

1353
00:58:34,280 --> 00:58:36,800
Speaker 3: the best over the next few weeks and don't be

1354
00:58:36,840 --> 00:58:39,280
Speaker 3: a stranger kid. We'll talk to you soon, all.

1355
00:58:39,240 --> 00:58:40,880
Speaker 1: Right, fellas, I talk to you guys soon. Man, Thanks

1356
00:58:40,920 --> 00:58:41,680
Speaker 1: for having me on.

1357
00:58:42,120 --> 00:58:46,520
Speaker 3: The Legend Dean Thomas here on the Anak and Florian podcast. Well,

1358
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Speaker 3: as you've heard me say on the show Can Flow,

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Speaker 3: pound for pound fighter in the world, absolutely loves the fight,

1361
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Speaker 3: loves the strategy and everything that comes with fighting for

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Speaker 3: great as well, they're the choice of so many fighters

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Speaker 3: slash UFC. All Right, UFC monkton is in the books.

1380
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Speaker 3: We turn our attention to the pay per view at

1381
00:59:49,280 --> 00:59:53,280
Speaker 3: Madison Square Garden this weekend UFC two thirty Cormier versus Lewis.

1382
00:59:53,600 --> 00:59:56,880
Speaker 3: Let us get to the Main Event Challenge. It's the

1383
00:59:57,000 --> 01:00:03,360
Speaker 3: Main Event Challenge and ed I'm is most definitely may

1384
01:00:03,960 --> 01:00:04,600
Speaker 3: I finished?

1385
01:00:04,600 --> 01:00:06,919
Speaker 2: Fine? How do you everything? Boss?

1386
01:00:06,960 --> 01:00:10,800
Speaker 5: Will to win the Main Event Challenge to John Nick

1387
01:00:10,880 --> 01:00:12,560
Speaker 5: and Kenny Florian podcast.

1388
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Speaker 3: All right, So when we look back at this twenty

1389
01:00:15,880 --> 01:00:18,960
Speaker 3: eighteen Main Event Challenge flow, this UFC Monkedin show might

1390
01:00:19,080 --> 01:00:23,480
Speaker 3: just have been the proverbial nail in the coffin. How

1391
01:00:23,480 --> 01:00:26,840
Speaker 3: about Brian Petrie podcast listener showing up Largs last week?

1392
01:00:26,840 --> 01:00:30,040
Speaker 3: He wins the week six to three underdog winners on

1393
01:00:30,120 --> 01:00:33,919
Speaker 3: Anthony Lionheart Smith and Sean Strickland, so team Annex lead

1394
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Speaker 3: thirteen one twenty two to one oh nine and joining

1395
01:00:38,120 --> 01:00:41,200
Speaker 3: us to make picks today. So this man reps the

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01:00:41,200 --> 01:00:43,440
Speaker 3: two oh nine pretty hard can flow. He was scheduled

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Speaker 3: today because Nate Diaz, of course, supposed to make his

1398
01:00:46,280 --> 01:00:50,120
Speaker 3: return this weekend against usin forty eight. That is not

1399
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Speaker 3: gonna happen, but we are still thrilled to have this guy.

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Speaker 3: Ryan Martinsen repping the two o nine is with us today. Ryan,

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01:00:55,200 --> 01:00:55,920
Speaker 3: how are you today?

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Speaker 4: Man?

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01:00:57,200 --> 01:00:57,840
Speaker 11: I'm doing well.

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01:00:57,880 --> 01:01:01,120
Speaker 3: Thanks for having me, It's our pleasure. I like that

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01:01:01,160 --> 01:01:03,440
Speaker 3: picture you on the docs. So do you think now

1406
01:01:03,480 --> 01:01:06,520
Speaker 3: that some time has passed from twenty sixteen when I

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01:01:06,560 --> 01:01:08,400
Speaker 3: got the tattoo? Like, would I be welcomed in the

1408
01:01:08,440 --> 01:01:10,800
Speaker 3: two zero nine or should I still? Like steer clear?

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01:01:12,160 --> 01:01:14,720
Speaker 11: No, you'd absolutely be welcome. You're a man in your word,

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01:01:14,760 --> 01:01:16,480
Speaker 11: and there's a lot of respect and respect in that.

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01:01:16,560 --> 01:01:19,000
Speaker 11: Although I do typically avoid people to a nine tattoos

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01:01:19,040 --> 01:01:21,160
Speaker 11: that can be a kind of trouble, but now you're

1413
01:01:21,160 --> 01:01:22,160
Speaker 11: more than welcome out here.

1414
01:01:22,640 --> 01:01:24,919
Speaker 3: Well, I appreciate you saying that because I'm not sure

1415
01:01:24,960 --> 01:01:27,919
Speaker 3: you speak for the majority when you open up those arms,

1416
01:01:27,920 --> 01:01:30,120
Speaker 3: but I appreciate you saying that. Let's get to the pick.

1417
01:01:30,160 --> 01:01:33,040
Speaker 3: So it's UFC two thirty this weekend. Heavyweights in the

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01:01:33,080 --> 01:01:35,240
Speaker 3: main event, but largely this is a middleweight pay per

1419
01:01:35,320 --> 01:01:37,320
Speaker 3: view main card. The other four fights you will see

1420
01:01:37,440 --> 01:01:39,680
Speaker 3: all to be contested at one hundred and eighty five pounds.

1421
01:01:39,880 --> 01:01:42,280
Speaker 3: First fight you will see on the main card. I

1422
01:01:42,320 --> 01:01:45,400
Speaker 3: was surprised it wasn't the featured about third from the bottom.

1423
01:01:45,760 --> 01:01:48,640
Speaker 3: First fight on pay per view Israel out of Sonya

1424
01:01:48,960 --> 01:01:52,160
Speaker 3: minus three twenty the favorite against Derek Brunson. He comes

1425
01:01:52,160 --> 01:01:54,720
Speaker 3: back at plus two forty for what will be Brunson's

1426
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Speaker 3: fourteenth UFC appearance. Ryan, what do you think about the

1427
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Speaker 3: pay per view opener? Are you going Israel out of

1428
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Speaker 3: Sonya Derek Brunson.

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Speaker 11: On favorite in Arda Sonya here. I think Brunton tends

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01:02:05,480 --> 01:02:08,280
Speaker 11: to fight a little too aggressive to emotional. I think

1431
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Speaker 11: he's been taking some of the trash talk that Ardys

1432
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Speaker 11: Sonya has been taking as saying a little too personal.

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Speaker 11: I think he's gonna come out fast and try to

1434
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Speaker 11: hurt Israel early, and I think he's going to pay

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Speaker 11: for it. I got ardis Sonya probably getting the knockout, and.

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Speaker 3: You know that's Derek Brunson's style, Ken flow out of

1437
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Speaker 3: Shani three and Oz in the UFC, all of those

1438
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Speaker 3: here in twenty eighteen probably on the short list for

1439
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Speaker 3: Fighter of the Year with respect to Daniel Cormier and

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Speaker 3: the other guys. Last win for AUTASNYA Kenny five rounder

1441
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Speaker 3: against Brad taboris He's obviously getting the respect from Las

1442
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Speaker 3: Vegas here against Derek Brunson. How do you see this

1443
01:02:39,280 --> 01:02:39,880
Speaker 3: one playing out?

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Speaker 6: And I also think that five rounder was huge for

1445
01:02:42,920 --> 01:02:46,320
Speaker 6: his experience and for his confidence moving forward against other

1446
01:02:46,520 --> 01:02:49,280
Speaker 6: potential guys who might want to try to take him

1447
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Speaker 6: down like it Derek Brunson. Now, Derek Brunson certainly has

1448
01:02:51,560 --> 01:02:54,680
Speaker 6: better takedowns than his last opponent.

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Speaker 2: However, I agree with Ryan.

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Speaker 6: I think that Derek does fight a little bit too emotional,

1451
01:03:00,040 --> 01:03:02,080
Speaker 6: especially at this point in his career. I think that

1452
01:03:02,160 --> 01:03:05,480
Speaker 6: should not have a place in how he approaches a fight.

1453
01:03:05,600 --> 01:03:08,120
Speaker 6: Yet he continues to do that. And again someone like

1454
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Speaker 6: Adasanya that is absolute death. This is a guy who

1455
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Speaker 6: can counter you going forward, going backwards. He has a

1456
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Speaker 6: lot of different weapons, that he can hurt you with,

1457
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Speaker 6: and I think he's that much more effective against aggressive guys.

1458
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Speaker 6: Guys that are coming forward, I think are going to

1459
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Speaker 6: get hurt way more often against a high level counter

1460
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Speaker 6: striker like Adisanya.

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Speaker 2: I think Adasnya takes this as well.

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Speaker 3: And we'll see if Brunson tries to wrestle. But don't

1463
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Speaker 3: sleep on that takedown defense for Adasania. Certainly he knows

1464
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Speaker 3: what a lot of fighters are going to try to

1465
01:03:39,960 --> 01:03:42,320
Speaker 3: do to him stylistically to try to put him on

1466
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Speaker 3: his back, and we'll see if Brunson goes that path

1467
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Speaker 3: this weekend. In what is the biggest fight of the

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Speaker 3: young career for Israel Ata Sonya all right, Carl Robertson

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Speaker 3: minus two to ninety the favorite against the Welshman Jack Marshman.

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Speaker 3: He is at plus two to twenty five. So Robertson

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Speaker 3: coming off his first pro loss that was by submission

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Speaker 3: to Sayzermu Tanchi Fajita UFC two twenty four back in May,

1473
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Speaker 3: Marshman up and down in the UFC two up, two down, Ryan,

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Speaker 3: Who do you like in this one? The favorite Robertson

1475
01:04:07,920 --> 01:04:09,320
Speaker 3: or the underdog Jack Marshman?

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Speaker 11: So to be Honest, I've done a ton about these guys,

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Speaker 11: over go a little research. Marshman's got a lot more experience.

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01:04:18,000 --> 01:04:20,960
Speaker 11: Robertson obviously a kickboxer and glory good striker. But I'm

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Speaker 11: going to go with Marshman here as the underdog. I'm

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Speaker 11: hoping his experience will be able to just let him

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Speaker 11: get the more savvy fighter maybe gets to take down

1482
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Speaker 11: as the work the grappling. I like Marshman with the

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01:04:31,080 --> 01:04:33,240
Speaker 11: plus two to twenty five and the number there.

1484
01:04:33,840 --> 01:04:36,600
Speaker 3: See. We like this guest picker Ken Flow, Ryan Martinson right,

1485
01:04:36,640 --> 01:04:39,120
Speaker 3: he's got the adulcet tone to his voice, but he's

1486
01:04:39,160 --> 01:04:42,040
Speaker 3: not out here faking it right, like he's seen every

1487
01:04:42,200 --> 01:04:44,960
Speaker 3: Jack Marshman fight that ever exists. I haven't called a

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Speaker 3: Jack Marshman fight, so I'm trying to close the gap

1489
01:04:47,240 --> 01:04:49,000
Speaker 3: when it comes to my knowledge of that fighter for

1490
01:04:49,040 --> 01:04:52,000
Speaker 3: this weekend. Your thoughts on Marshman against the upstart Carl

1491
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Speaker 3: Robertson Flow.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, this is an interesting fight, Listen. I think the

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01:04:55,360 --> 01:05:00,640
Speaker 6: Robertson has a huge advantage on the feet. Marshman I

1494
01:05:00,640 --> 01:05:03,760
Speaker 6: think can make things interesting if he's able to take

1495
01:05:03,840 --> 01:05:07,240
Speaker 6: him down. I think Roberson would be in trouble here.

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Speaker 6: I'm going to go the other way though. I think

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Speaker 6: Robertson is able to get it done on the feet and.

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Speaker 3: I will take the under two and a half rounds.

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Speaker 3: Am I allowed to do that? I think you're getting

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Speaker 3: to finish on one side or the eds, all right.

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01:05:19,000 --> 01:05:21,800
Speaker 3: Next up, David Branch, as many of you know, was

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01:05:21,880 --> 01:05:24,960
Speaker 3: to face Jakade Sosa. Instead he will be the prohibitive

1503
01:05:24,960 --> 01:05:29,600
Speaker 3: favorite against Jared Cannoneer Branch minus four to twenty five

1504
01:05:30,000 --> 01:05:32,560
Speaker 3: Cannoneer plus three point fifteen. He was going to fight

1505
01:05:32,640 --> 01:05:37,440
Speaker 3: later in November in Argentina, instead gets pulled from a

1506
01:05:37,560 --> 01:05:40,800
Speaker 3: much lower profile spot and now he gets thrust onto

1507
01:05:40,880 --> 01:05:42,560
Speaker 3: a big pay per view for what will be his

1508
01:05:42,680 --> 01:05:46,280
Speaker 3: UFC middleweight debut. Ryan, what do you think Branch or

1509
01:05:46,600 --> 01:05:48,960
Speaker 3: the Killa Gorilla Jared Canadair?

1510
01:05:50,160 --> 01:05:52,280
Speaker 11: I got a Branch here. Although I am surprised the

1511
01:05:52,320 --> 01:05:54,040
Speaker 11: oddsward long as they were, I thought they'd be a

1512
01:05:54,040 --> 01:05:58,000
Speaker 11: little closer. I think Brand's being the better wrestler, far

1513
01:05:58,080 --> 01:06:00,920
Speaker 11: better you two guys. I think he's going to take

1514
01:06:00,920 --> 01:06:02,760
Speaker 11: the fight down control and beat him up, maybe even

1515
01:06:02,760 --> 01:06:04,880
Speaker 11: get a submission. I don't think Branch will be able

1516
01:06:04,880 --> 01:06:06,520
Speaker 11: to knock him out of the feat. Kenny is such

1517
01:06:06,520 --> 01:06:08,560
Speaker 11: a tough dude, but I just see Branch really working

1518
01:06:08,600 --> 01:06:11,439
Speaker 11: the grappling and dominating the fight. Probably a decision went.

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01:06:12,440 --> 01:06:14,880
Speaker 3: It'll be interesting to talk to Jared Cannoneer later in

1520
01:06:14,920 --> 01:06:17,680
Speaker 3: the week as to what challenges he had in moving

1521
01:06:17,760 --> 01:06:20,160
Speaker 3: up that weight cut a couple weeks, given the fact

1522
01:06:20,160 --> 01:06:21,920
Speaker 3: that he hasn't had to weigh one eighty six in

1523
01:06:21,960 --> 01:06:24,400
Speaker 3: the UFC thus far ken flow. David Branch coming off

1524
01:06:24,440 --> 01:06:27,720
Speaker 3: a knockout of Thiago Santos April twenty first in Atlantic City.

1525
01:06:27,760 --> 01:06:29,800
Speaker 3: He's won two of three now in what is this

1526
01:06:29,960 --> 01:06:32,440
Speaker 3: second UFC stint for him, only lost in that time

1527
01:06:32,480 --> 01:06:35,000
Speaker 3: to Luke Rockold, so largely he's looked pretty good. The

1528
01:06:35,040 --> 01:06:38,080
Speaker 3: striking is starting to come around for David Branch. Your

1529
01:06:38,120 --> 01:06:40,320
Speaker 3: expectations for Branch in this spot this weekend.

1530
01:06:40,440 --> 01:06:42,160
Speaker 6: Yeah, he has looked good and he actually hurt Luke

1531
01:06:42,240 --> 01:06:44,040
Speaker 6: Rockold in that fight. I thought he was going to

1532
01:06:44,320 --> 01:06:46,520
Speaker 6: pull off an upset win. He's one of my former

1533
01:06:46,880 --> 01:06:49,560
Speaker 6: training partners in New York when I was over at

1534
01:06:49,560 --> 01:06:50,480
Speaker 6: Henzel Gray season.

1535
01:06:51,240 --> 01:06:51,760
Speaker 2: David Branch.

1536
01:06:51,960 --> 01:06:53,960
Speaker 6: He's a hard worker and I think he really is

1537
01:06:54,000 --> 01:06:56,240
Speaker 6: fighting with a lot of motivation right now. He sees

1538
01:06:56,320 --> 01:06:58,640
Speaker 6: himself as kind of getting into the upper echelon of

1539
01:06:58,680 --> 01:07:01,360
Speaker 6: middleweights and he really need this win. Cannon here is

1540
01:07:01,520 --> 01:07:06,920
Speaker 6: very dangerous, obviously heavy handed, fighter, tough, knows how to

1541
01:07:06,960 --> 01:07:09,880
Speaker 6: deal with adversity, dangerous in the clinch as well. But

1542
01:07:09,960 --> 01:07:11,840
Speaker 6: I think David A Branch take this one, and I

1543
01:07:11,840 --> 01:07:14,680
Speaker 6: agree with Ryan, I think he should largely come behind

1544
01:07:14,720 --> 01:07:17,040
Speaker 6: that that ground attack, all.

1545
01:07:17,080 --> 01:07:20,600
Speaker 3: Right, comane event. Chris Widman goes from slight underdog against

1546
01:07:20,680 --> 01:07:22,960
Speaker 3: Luke brock Holds and now the minus one seventy five

1547
01:07:23,000 --> 01:07:26,120
Speaker 3: favorite against Jaka Day Sosa. So's a plus one forty

1548
01:07:26,120 --> 01:07:28,560
Speaker 3: five huge fight here, big stakes at one hundred and

1549
01:07:28,600 --> 01:07:30,920
Speaker 3: eighty five pounds, first fight for Widman, as we mentioned,

1550
01:07:31,040 --> 01:07:33,520
Speaker 3: since that big submission win over Calvin Gasolam that was

1551
01:07:33,600 --> 01:07:37,400
Speaker 3: last July, Jaka Day's twenty eighteen, the knockout of Derek

1552
01:07:37,440 --> 01:07:39,720
Speaker 3: Brunton in the main event in January, then he was

1553
01:07:39,720 --> 01:07:43,720
Speaker 3: beaten by Calvin Gasolam split decision UFC two twenty four

1554
01:07:43,800 --> 01:07:46,680
Speaker 3: in May. Ryan Widman, Jaka Day and the Komaane Who

1555
01:07:46,680 --> 01:07:47,280
Speaker 3: will it be for you?

1556
01:07:48,840 --> 01:07:52,120
Speaker 11: I got Widman As far as the striking goes, I

1557
01:07:52,120 --> 01:07:55,480
Speaker 11: think you guys are fairly even. Both have power, both

1558
01:07:55,520 --> 01:07:57,520
Speaker 11: prefer the so the hands on the Dragons obviously got

1559
01:07:57,560 --> 01:08:00,000
Speaker 11: the head kick knockout. I think this fight canna convee

1560
01:08:00,120 --> 01:08:02,400
Speaker 11: who can control the clinch and who can get on

1561
01:08:02,440 --> 01:08:03,720
Speaker 11: top when they do hit the mat, and I think

1562
01:08:03,760 --> 01:08:06,040
Speaker 11: that's going to be widened with the better wrestling. I

1563
01:08:06,080 --> 01:08:08,600
Speaker 11: really hope they did grapple because I've been fascinated by

1564
01:08:08,640 --> 01:08:12,160
Speaker 11: these two, not as the grappler aspect of it. So yeah,

1565
01:08:12,160 --> 01:08:14,360
Speaker 11: I got Wideman, probably by decision. Very close fight though,

1566
01:08:15,480 --> 01:08:15,880
Speaker 11: ken FLA.

1567
01:08:15,920 --> 01:08:17,840
Speaker 3: I'm excited to watch this one. Jacka da So is

1568
01:08:17,880 --> 01:08:19,800
Speaker 3: a Chris Wiman. Which way do you think it goes?

1569
01:08:20,080 --> 01:08:23,600
Speaker 6: Yeah, listen, I think that Kelvin Gastil laid down the

1570
01:08:23,600 --> 01:08:26,519
Speaker 6: blueprint of how to defeat Jack Array SOSA. You're going

1571
01:08:26,600 --> 01:08:29,439
Speaker 6: to have to use counter wrestling. You have to stop

1572
01:08:29,439 --> 01:08:31,880
Speaker 6: those takedowns, you have to watch out for that overhand.

1573
01:08:32,640 --> 01:08:35,360
Speaker 6: You know, maybe a few high kicks. But Jack Array

1574
01:08:35,479 --> 01:08:37,479
Speaker 6: tends to telegraph a little bit.

1575
01:08:37,800 --> 01:08:37,920
Speaker 1: Uh.

1576
01:08:38,240 --> 01:08:39,920
Speaker 2: Jock Ray is getting a little bit older.

1577
01:08:39,920 --> 01:08:41,479
Speaker 6: I think he's always going to be a threat with

1578
01:08:41,520 --> 01:08:43,800
Speaker 6: his power and of course with his ground game, but

1579
01:08:43,920 --> 01:08:46,280
Speaker 6: he's most effective when he gets on top of you.

1580
01:08:47,320 --> 01:08:48,919
Speaker 2: His arm triangle is amazing.

1581
01:08:49,040 --> 01:08:52,120
Speaker 6: His armlock is great as Kimora has always been a

1582
01:08:52,160 --> 01:08:55,040
Speaker 6: threat since he was competing as a jujitsu practitioner. So

1583
01:08:56,160 --> 01:08:59,479
Speaker 6: I think Chris Widman has a game that can kind

1584
01:08:59,520 --> 01:09:02,960
Speaker 6: of neuter uh jockaray uh. And I think Chris gets

1585
01:09:02,960 --> 01:09:04,000
Speaker 6: it done by decision here.

1586
01:09:04,560 --> 01:09:07,120
Speaker 3: So is neuter for a boy in spee for a girl?

1587
01:09:07,200 --> 01:09:08,960
Speaker 3: Is that is that right? Sure? You know?

1588
01:09:09,240 --> 01:09:13,040
Speaker 2: Sure? Why not? Well in regards to dogs. In regards

1589
01:09:13,120 --> 01:09:15,200
Speaker 2: to dogs, yes, because.

1590
01:09:15,040 --> 01:09:17,360
Speaker 3: Neuter sounds better. I just didn't. I didn't know which

1591
01:09:17,400 --> 01:09:17,879
Speaker 3: was which.

1592
01:09:17,800 --> 01:09:20,080
Speaker 2: Taking away his game? Yes, all right?

1593
01:09:20,160 --> 01:09:23,680
Speaker 3: Finally fell as the main event UFC two thirty the

1594
01:09:23,720 --> 01:09:27,800
Speaker 3: two division champ Daniel Cormier favored at a minus eight

1595
01:09:27,960 --> 01:09:31,200
Speaker 3: hundred clip against Derek Lewis the Black Beast plus five

1596
01:09:31,360 --> 01:09:34,160
Speaker 3: twenty five. So what does it mean for our scoring system?

1597
01:09:34,400 --> 01:09:37,160
Speaker 3: A successful pick on the Black Beast should he win

1598
01:09:37,560 --> 01:09:40,120
Speaker 3: is six points as many as eight if you get

1599
01:09:40,120 --> 01:09:43,599
Speaker 3: the method of victory and the round correct. That being said, Ryan,

1600
01:09:44,080 --> 01:09:46,320
Speaker 3: many believe he will be up against it in what

1601
01:09:46,400 --> 01:09:50,640
Speaker 3: is a short notice championship opportunity against DC. Who do

1602
01:09:50,680 --> 01:09:52,040
Speaker 3: you have in the main event?

1603
01:09:53,760 --> 01:09:55,960
Speaker 11: Yeah, I agree he is up against it. I got

1604
01:09:56,040 --> 01:09:59,880
Speaker 11: DC even if those guys are healthy. I think this

1605
01:10:00,080 --> 01:10:04,200
Speaker 11: fight is pretty one sided. DC having a compromise hand,

1606
01:10:04,200 --> 01:10:06,000
Speaker 11: He's really going to rely on that wrestling even more.

1607
01:10:06,120 --> 01:10:09,360
Speaker 11: I think he takes a fight down. Where's out, Derek Lewis.

1608
01:10:09,439 --> 01:10:12,479
Speaker 11: It's gonna look a lot like probably the Anthony Johnson fights.

1609
01:10:12,560 --> 01:10:15,080
Speaker 11: The Volcanos. Fight's gonna dominate on the ground. Probably a

1610
01:10:15,160 --> 01:10:17,599
Speaker 11: late submission. I got the second round submission for DC.

1611
01:10:18,080 --> 01:10:22,320
Speaker 3: All right, DC by second round sub so ken flow.

1612
01:10:23,080 --> 01:10:26,000
Speaker 3: Derek Lewis fought twenty three days ago, tough fight against

1613
01:10:26,040 --> 01:10:29,519
Speaker 3: Alexander Volkov rallied for the win late that night. DC's

1614
01:10:29,560 --> 01:10:32,240
Speaker 3: last fight, of course, July seventh, at UFC two twenty six.

1615
01:10:32,920 --> 01:10:36,120
Speaker 3: I'm interested to see how much DC prepared for the

1616
01:10:36,160 --> 01:10:39,320
Speaker 3: possibility of a short notice fight before he ultimately got

1617
01:10:39,360 --> 01:10:42,000
Speaker 3: the call, because you know, he's wise enough to know

1618
01:10:42,080 --> 01:10:44,479
Speaker 3: that there was not a headliner at Madison Square Garden.

1619
01:10:44,800 --> 01:10:47,320
Speaker 3: I wonder what kind of shape Cormier really was in

1620
01:10:47,680 --> 01:10:50,479
Speaker 3: before the three week crunch. How do you see it

1621
01:10:50,520 --> 01:10:53,160
Speaker 3: plan out between Cormier and Lewis on Saturday.

1622
01:10:52,880 --> 01:10:57,439
Speaker 2: About a month ago, maybe a little bit longer U DC.

1623
01:10:57,600 --> 01:10:57,680
Speaker 1: What.

1624
01:10:57,840 --> 01:11:01,200
Speaker 6: DC was at Fox and he ordered his lunch and

1625
01:11:01,240 --> 01:11:04,040
Speaker 6: he ordered he ordered a chicken breast, and I was like,

1626
01:11:04,040 --> 01:11:06,840
Speaker 6: what the heck is he getting a chicken breast for DC?

1627
01:11:07,120 --> 01:11:08,000
Speaker 2: Just he fought.

1628
01:11:08,360 --> 01:11:11,559
Speaker 6: He never gets a chicken breast unless he's fighting, So

1629
01:11:12,320 --> 01:11:14,320
Speaker 6: I think he had something in the back of his

1630
01:11:14,320 --> 01:11:16,840
Speaker 6: head maybe that he was getting ready for. So I

1631
01:11:16,880 --> 01:11:21,920
Speaker 6: don't know if it's as short notice as everyone thinks. However, uh,

1632
01:11:21,960 --> 01:11:24,920
Speaker 6: you know, for for Derek Lewis, it's not like he's

1633
01:11:25,240 --> 01:11:27,240
Speaker 6: the guy that really pushes the pace on you and

1634
01:11:27,280 --> 01:11:30,920
Speaker 6: gets you exhausted. But I think for d C, he

1635
01:11:31,000 --> 01:11:34,040
Speaker 6: needs to get get in and get out. Derek Lewis

1636
01:11:34,120 --> 01:11:38,080
Speaker 6: is just way too dangerous the guy. It really is

1637
01:11:38,120 --> 01:11:42,360
Speaker 6: a monster. I shook his hand last last Wednesday. It's

1638
01:11:42,360 --> 01:11:45,519
Speaker 6: scary just shaking that dude's hand. If DC gets hit

1639
01:11:45,560 --> 01:11:48,320
Speaker 6: with one shot, that's all it takes, and it doesn't

1640
01:11:48,360 --> 01:11:50,680
Speaker 6: have to be a perfect shot with with Derek Lewis.

1641
01:11:50,360 --> 01:11:51,200
Speaker 2: He hits that hard.

1642
01:11:51,560 --> 01:11:54,000
Speaker 6: So Daniel, yeah, absolutely needs to go in there and

1643
01:11:54,000 --> 01:11:55,519
Speaker 6: take him down right off the bat.

1644
01:11:56,680 --> 01:11:59,360
Speaker 2: You know, I will if Daniel Cormier was taking on.

1645
01:11:59,320 --> 01:12:04,120
Speaker 6: Godzilla, would pick DC. Of course. I'm going with Cormier. Uh,

1646
01:12:04,240 --> 01:12:06,800
Speaker 6: let's go with first round submission. How's that now? I

1647
01:12:06,880 --> 01:12:09,559
Speaker 6: was gonna say second round, but Ryan took it man right,

1648
01:12:09,680 --> 01:12:11,120
Speaker 6: and he brought it today.

1649
01:12:12,120 --> 01:12:14,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, Ryan Martins and bringing it from the two o nine. Man,

1650
01:12:14,439 --> 01:12:16,639
Speaker 3: appreciate you coming on and listening to the show for course,

1651
01:12:16,680 --> 01:12:18,559
Speaker 3: and we will certainly have you back if you get

1652
01:12:18,560 --> 01:12:20,760
Speaker 3: the better of the flow this weekend. Man, enjoy the

1653
01:12:20,760 --> 01:12:21,360
Speaker 3: rest of your day.

1654
01:12:21,360 --> 01:12:23,800
Speaker 1: Thanks Ryan, of course, thanks for having me.

1655
01:12:23,840 --> 01:12:25,120
Speaker 11: I just wanted to give a quick shout out, but

1656
01:12:25,200 --> 01:12:27,800
Speaker 11: thank you to the Boston Red Sox because the only

1657
01:12:27,840 --> 01:12:30,280
Speaker 11: thing better than watching the Giants win the World Series,

1658
01:12:30,320 --> 01:12:32,679
Speaker 11: my San Francisco Giants is watching the Dodgers.

1659
01:12:34,240 --> 01:12:35,000
Speaker 7: Congratulations.

1660
01:12:36,400 --> 01:12:40,360
Speaker 3: That's amazing, Thanks Ryan, that's good stuff. Yeah, those San

1661
01:12:40,400 --> 01:12:44,240
Speaker 3: Francisco Giants fans are celebrating today for sure. And what

1662
01:12:44,280 --> 01:12:47,559
Speaker 3: I think like most about the Red Sox win is

1663
01:12:47,600 --> 01:12:49,360
Speaker 3: that they got it out of the way, so they

1664
01:12:49,400 --> 01:12:51,519
Speaker 3: gave us a chance to celebrate here on the Anic

1665
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Speaker 3: and Florian podcast, because had they wrapped this thing up

1666
01:12:54,400 --> 01:12:58,080
Speaker 3: Tuesday or Wednesday night at Fenway Pac, you know, next

1667
01:12:58,080 --> 01:13:00,600
Speaker 3: week we're recapping UFC two third. I'm not sure how

1668
01:13:00,640 --> 01:13:02,640
Speaker 3: much we're talking about the World Series and true, of

1669
01:13:02,720 --> 01:13:04,679
Speaker 3: course Stodgers could have come back, but the Red Sox

1670
01:13:04,720 --> 01:13:08,760
Speaker 3: closed in the show, and it was absolutely amazing to

1671
01:13:08,760 --> 01:13:10,360
Speaker 3: see that series play out. All right, thank you' all

1672
01:13:10,360 --> 01:13:13,000
Speaker 3: for listening. Big week of course coming up UFC two

1673
01:13:13,080 --> 01:13:15,760
Speaker 3: thirty and then we are back in about six and

1674
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Speaker 3: a half days to recap it all with you until

1675
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