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Speaker 1: good work in and joining us now. From a national standpoint,

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Speaker 1: he covers the National Football League for ESPN ESPN dot Com.

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Speaker 1: You here him on ESPN Radio as well. Jeremy Fowler

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Speaker 1: is with us. Jeremy, thanks for the time, man. How

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Speaker 1: are you good to see that? Thanks for having me, guys. Absolutely,

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Speaker 1: what's it like being up here? I know you come

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Speaker 1: was good to watch the team that gets a good

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Speaker 1: It wasn't an overly long practice. Yeah. Yeah, that was

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Speaker 1: a lot of good observations to be made, all right.

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Speaker 1: First impressions though, of the offense under Matt Ryan? What

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Speaker 1: did you take away today when you watch practice? So yeah,

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Speaker 1: I kind of thought the defense played pretty well today.

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Speaker 1: Maybe it was just me. Yeah, No, you're not wrong.

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Speaker 1: I didn't necessarily think they had a ton of explosive plays.

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Speaker 1: First thing that stood out though nahem Hines. To me,

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Speaker 1: I just seems like a nihem Hinz offense. Because Matt

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Speaker 1: the number one option. That's Jonathan Taylor and maybe Michael Pittman.

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Speaker 1: And then you know, I'd be interesting to see if,

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Speaker 1: I'm interested in that, Jeremy, I'm curious as you go

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Speaker 1: So it's sort of low hanging fruit, but we do,

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Speaker 1: why is Cooper Cup catching literally every pass in this practice.

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Speaker 1: then sometimes they fall flat, right, So you'll you'll get

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Speaker 1: All right. Last one for me, Jeremy Fowler, is our guests.

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Speaker 1: You've been so gracious with your time. I know you've

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Speaker 1: got a run, But looking at this AFC conference, have

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Speaker 1: I think everybody has a legitimate chance because of the quarterbacks,

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Speaker 1: seven make it. You know, New England still see in

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Speaker 1: Jeremy Fowler? Where are you ahead of two? Next? So

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Speaker 1: think right now I'm just gonna go to Cincinnati. Got

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Speaker 1: one more day with the Colts and then AFC North Bengals, Steelers, Browns.

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Speaker 1: He's on the movie. Do you get do you get

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Speaker 1: you on the road. Yeah, it's not that bad. It's

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Speaker 1: I'm right now. I'm only doing seven teams, so that's manageable.

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Speaker 1: You know, you want to get home to your family

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Speaker 1: and all that, so you don't you don't have to

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Speaker 1: enjoyable time, no question about it. Hey, thank you so

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Speaker 1: much for your time. I appreciate it. And that's the luck.

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Speaker 1: Safe travels. Thank you appreciate it.