1 00:00:05,280 --> 00:00:07,920 Speaker 1: Hey, this is any welcome to stuff I never told 2 00:00:07,920 --> 00:00:21,360 Speaker 1: you protection of iHeart radio. And here is a classic 3 00:00:21,400 --> 00:00:24,840 Speaker 1: about one of my very favorite horror movies, The Bitch, 4 00:00:24,960 --> 00:00:29,280 Speaker 1: which we did a viewing with our listeners, um, and 5 00:00:29,320 --> 00:00:32,559 Speaker 1: it was super fun. I had such a good time, um, 6 00:00:32,560 --> 00:00:35,360 Speaker 1: a virtual viewing, because that's that's about where we are 7 00:00:35,440 --> 00:00:38,240 Speaker 1: these days. But this one also came up a lot 8 00:00:38,280 --> 00:00:42,239 Speaker 1: and the recent episode we did on Elevated Horror. If 9 00:00:42,320 --> 00:00:45,159 Speaker 1: you haven't listened to that one yet, I would recommend 10 00:00:45,159 --> 00:00:47,360 Speaker 1: going to listen to it because it was one of 11 00:00:47,400 --> 00:00:49,519 Speaker 1: the first ones that got kind of slapped with that 12 00:00:49,600 --> 00:00:52,720 Speaker 1: label and it sort of started the whole thing. And 13 00:00:52,800 --> 00:00:56,240 Speaker 1: I do. I mean, I love this movie. It's in 14 00:00:56,280 --> 00:01:01,680 Speaker 1: my rotation. Um, it is like the Which and it 15 00:01:01,800 --> 00:01:04,280 Speaker 1: started so many memes that showed up in what we 16 00:01:04,319 --> 00:01:07,920 Speaker 1: do in the shadows the show, like I really really 17 00:01:08,000 --> 00:01:10,080 Speaker 1: enjoy it. But I had a huge impact. Although the 18 00:01:10,080 --> 00:01:12,880 Speaker 1: actress did not love it and didn't she really thought 19 00:01:12,880 --> 00:01:16,160 Speaker 1: she was gonna be fired forever. That's what she said. 20 00:01:16,319 --> 00:01:18,120 Speaker 1: She said she thought she was so bad in it. 21 00:01:18,360 --> 00:01:21,080 Speaker 1: Oh she was fantastic that she thought she would never 22 00:01:21,080 --> 00:01:26,080 Speaker 1: get to act again. Wow, wow, No, she did fantastic 23 00:01:26,360 --> 00:01:28,920 Speaker 1: um and clearly she was wrong because she's in all 24 00:01:29,000 --> 00:01:34,600 Speaker 1: kinds of stuff. Yes, yes, es, yes, Now I want 25 00:01:34,640 --> 00:01:36,600 Speaker 1: to like turn out the lights and watch this movie. 26 00:01:36,720 --> 00:01:41,240 Speaker 1: We didn't have another viewing party smith, yes, es, yes, alright, alright, 27 00:01:41,600 --> 00:01:44,320 Speaker 1: well if we if there's something else, we should have 28 00:01:44,319 --> 00:01:47,840 Speaker 1: a viewing party on listeners let us know. It's about time. Yeah, 29 00:01:47,880 --> 00:01:50,080 Speaker 1: I think it's about time. It's been about a year since. 30 00:01:52,480 --> 00:02:01,120 Speaker 1: But please enjoy this classic episode. This is Annie and 31 00:02:01,200 --> 00:02:03,880 Speaker 1: Samantha and welcome to Stephane. Never told your protection of 32 00:02:04,000 --> 00:02:16,840 Speaker 1: I heart Radio. I have got to say our past 33 00:02:17,280 --> 00:02:21,519 Speaker 1: couple of episodes, both on here and on Savor, they've 34 00:02:21,560 --> 00:02:25,239 Speaker 1: been a delightful research times for me because I got 35 00:02:25,240 --> 00:02:28,720 Speaker 1: to do Princess Leah and the Simpsons food and now 36 00:02:28,760 --> 00:02:32,560 Speaker 1: we're talking about one of my favorites, the Witch. Yes, wait, 37 00:02:32,560 --> 00:02:34,800 Speaker 1: you do the Simpsons food? Did you do the whole 38 00:02:34,840 --> 00:02:39,440 Speaker 1: New Orleans trip? Yes? Yes, I like that. It was 39 00:02:39,440 --> 00:02:44,200 Speaker 1: pretty epic. I mean so several YouTube people recreated it, 40 00:02:44,360 --> 00:02:46,960 Speaker 1: we created it. Bening with Babis was my favorite, of course. 41 00:02:47,160 --> 00:02:50,880 Speaker 1: Yeah you sent me that fifty two restaurants. How impressive 42 00:02:51,120 --> 00:02:57,480 Speaker 1: it is. Even I the maximizer was humbled. Um. But 43 00:02:57,720 --> 00:03:02,680 Speaker 1: going on to the new fave, yes, which is The Witch. 44 00:03:02,800 --> 00:03:05,560 Speaker 1: And I know we've mentioned it several times where I've 45 00:03:05,560 --> 00:03:07,200 Speaker 1: said I can't one day, I hope we get to 46 00:03:07,200 --> 00:03:09,960 Speaker 1: talk about it. And we posted a poll for our 47 00:03:10,040 --> 00:03:14,520 Speaker 1: feminist movie Friday, and Samantha had picked all these options. 48 00:03:14,520 --> 00:03:16,799 Speaker 1: Since she said, are there anything you want? I said, well, 49 00:03:17,280 --> 00:03:21,320 Speaker 1: you put which on that you know, and it would. 50 00:03:21,480 --> 00:03:26,840 Speaker 1: I'm so glad it would. Um. Also, it seems like 51 00:03:26,880 --> 00:03:29,600 Speaker 1: we're just going to do all which movies all the time, 52 00:03:30,040 --> 00:03:32,280 Speaker 1: which is okay with me because the Craft we did 53 00:03:33,000 --> 00:03:37,839 Speaker 1: right before this, now this, we're definitely gonna do Hocus Focus. Yeah, 54 00:03:37,840 --> 00:03:39,800 Speaker 1: I don't know. I would have to do which is 55 00:03:39,840 --> 00:03:41,840 Speaker 1: of Eastwick. I think we need to do that as well. 56 00:03:42,120 --> 00:03:50,320 Speaker 1: And I haven't seen Witches, so I mean, right, options abound. Yeah, 57 00:03:50,640 --> 00:03:53,760 Speaker 1: so maybe we're going to go in that direction. But well, 58 00:03:53,840 --> 00:03:56,880 Speaker 1: will let all of you listeners weigh in on feature 59 00:03:57,320 --> 00:04:03,400 Speaker 1: film choices. So I I remember seeing this movie. I 60 00:04:03,440 --> 00:04:06,040 Speaker 1: saw it a few times. One of the things I 61 00:04:06,080 --> 00:04:09,960 Speaker 1: really love about it is I never really truly appreciated 62 00:04:09,960 --> 00:04:12,400 Speaker 1: how terrifying it was to be a woman during the 63 00:04:12,440 --> 00:04:15,040 Speaker 1: time of the Salem Witch. Trials, when everyone was so 64 00:04:15,120 --> 00:04:19,080 Speaker 1: ready to condemn and kill you for something you couldn't 65 00:04:19,120 --> 00:04:22,400 Speaker 1: prove otherwise, and even proving otherwise sometimes involved your death. 66 00:04:23,000 --> 00:04:25,800 Speaker 1: And I knew it on an intellectual level, I knew 67 00:04:25,839 --> 00:04:29,200 Speaker 1: that's scary and terrifying, but this was a really visceral, 68 00:04:29,720 --> 00:04:35,560 Speaker 1: emotional level of experiencing that, and the parallels between today 69 00:04:35,600 --> 00:04:39,000 Speaker 1: and how we still don't believe women. They were impossible 70 00:04:39,040 --> 00:04:43,360 Speaker 1: to miss, especially in service to structures like religion that 71 00:04:43,400 --> 00:04:46,320 Speaker 1: were and are. They were largely created by men and 72 00:04:46,440 --> 00:04:49,080 Speaker 1: are still largely upheld by men. That is changing, but 73 00:04:49,839 --> 00:04:52,960 Speaker 1: that legacy is still there. And also just smaller things 74 00:04:53,040 --> 00:04:56,960 Speaker 1: like not knowing why things were happening, that oppressive dark 75 00:04:57,040 --> 00:05:00,479 Speaker 1: of this whole movie just weighing on you. Of well, 76 00:05:00,480 --> 00:05:03,320 Speaker 1: all the crops aren't they're all dying? Why we can't 77 00:05:03,320 --> 00:05:07,120 Speaker 1: find any food? Why what is going on here? Um? 78 00:05:07,160 --> 00:05:10,839 Speaker 1: And it's a it's a paranoid and claustrophobic film, and 79 00:05:10,880 --> 00:05:14,880 Speaker 1: it constantly makes you doubt yourself and what is going on? 80 00:05:15,080 --> 00:05:20,159 Speaker 1: Is this something of they are? Essentially I guess this 81 00:05:20,240 --> 00:05:22,599 Speaker 1: is a really good pick for Quarantine, essentially going through 82 00:05:23,440 --> 00:05:27,000 Speaker 1: isolation and what that entails or is there really something 83 00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:32,280 Speaker 1: supernatural going on, and if so, to what degree? Um So, 84 00:05:32,320 --> 00:05:36,840 Speaker 1: I love it before we get into it much further 85 00:05:37,440 --> 00:05:42,120 Speaker 1: trigger warning, I guess for violence. We're not going to 86 00:05:42,240 --> 00:05:45,479 Speaker 1: talk about too much of that stuff in depth, but 87 00:05:45,640 --> 00:05:49,279 Speaker 1: the film itself, UM, I can see how it would 88 00:05:49,279 --> 00:05:53,080 Speaker 1: be triggering in in terms of that, UM some gruesomeness 89 00:05:53,839 --> 00:05:59,400 Speaker 1: and spoilers. So this came out in um, but that's 90 00:05:59,440 --> 00:06:01,880 Speaker 1: still want. It's the Windows ten years. You're not supposed 91 00:06:01,880 --> 00:06:04,279 Speaker 1: to spoil anything. So if you miss the watch party, 92 00:06:04,320 --> 00:06:06,760 Speaker 1: if you do want to see it, stop it here 93 00:06:07,400 --> 00:06:09,080 Speaker 1: and we'll be here when you get back and you 94 00:06:09,080 --> 00:06:12,919 Speaker 1: can hear our thoughts. Yeah, and speaking of the watch party, 95 00:06:13,200 --> 00:06:16,240 Speaker 1: thanks for everyone who joined us. Uh and we want 96 00:06:16,240 --> 00:06:18,080 Speaker 1: to keep trying to do them, but just n f 97 00:06:18,240 --> 00:06:21,320 Speaker 1: y I so we're able to do this the Netflix 98 00:06:21,400 --> 00:06:25,240 Speaker 1: party app um So if it's not on Netflix, we 99 00:06:25,279 --> 00:06:26,880 Speaker 1: don't we're not able to do it because it was 100 00:06:26,880 --> 00:06:29,080 Speaker 1: definitely a good suggestion of now and Then. And I 101 00:06:29,160 --> 00:06:32,479 Speaker 1: love that movie. I love, love, love that movie, but 102 00:06:32,560 --> 00:06:34,960 Speaker 1: it's not on Netflix, and there's so many other movies. 103 00:06:35,000 --> 00:06:37,280 Speaker 1: I was like trying to find Heathers so we could 104 00:06:37,320 --> 00:06:39,760 Speaker 1: do that one, but it's not on Netflix either and 105 00:06:39,800 --> 00:06:42,240 Speaker 1: we want to keep No, I think they took it off, 106 00:06:43,560 --> 00:06:45,640 Speaker 1: but yeah, we want to keep trying to do the 107 00:06:45,640 --> 00:06:49,359 Speaker 1: parties because we know everyone needs some entertainment and it 108 00:06:49,480 --> 00:06:52,280 Speaker 1: was just it's just so much fun to do. Yeah. Um, 109 00:06:52,360 --> 00:06:55,359 Speaker 1: so if you know a better way, let us know. 110 00:06:55,880 --> 00:06:59,680 Speaker 1: See I love Seen Her and I love to seven 111 00:07:00,480 --> 00:07:04,640 Speaker 1: because to seven you can do pretty much every streaming service. 112 00:07:04,760 --> 00:07:09,120 Speaker 1: But um, I feel like the benefit of Netflix Party 113 00:07:09,160 --> 00:07:11,680 Speaker 1: when it comes to this sort of thing is you 114 00:07:11,720 --> 00:07:14,559 Speaker 1: don't have to be friends, and it's easier to join, 115 00:07:15,400 --> 00:07:20,280 Speaker 1: and the technical difficulty level is less because those two 116 00:07:20,280 --> 00:07:22,200 Speaker 1: I mentioned our video chat, they don't have to be 117 00:07:22,720 --> 00:07:24,760 Speaker 1: But I've just found that when you're in a small 118 00:07:24,800 --> 00:07:28,200 Speaker 1: group of people that's really manageable. Um. But if you 119 00:07:28,240 --> 00:07:30,560 Speaker 1: get more and more and people join at different times, 120 00:07:31,440 --> 00:07:34,760 Speaker 1: it's just easier to do something like Netflix Party. But 121 00:07:34,800 --> 00:07:39,040 Speaker 1: you want everyone to join, yes, yes, and it's uh, 122 00:07:39,080 --> 00:07:42,880 Speaker 1: whenever you can however you can. But yeah, absolutely, if 123 00:07:42,920 --> 00:07:45,800 Speaker 1: someone has a suggestion for other ways we could do that, 124 00:07:46,280 --> 00:07:50,400 Speaker 1: we are all ears, um. But yes, today we are 125 00:07:50,400 --> 00:07:54,520 Speaker 1: talking about the film The ch a New England folk 126 00:07:54,600 --> 00:07:58,200 Speaker 1: tale also commonly known as the which it was written 127 00:07:58,200 --> 00:08:01,400 Speaker 1: and directed by Robert Egger's It's Ours Anya Taylor Joy 128 00:08:01,560 --> 00:08:05,720 Speaker 1: as Thomason, Ralph Innocent as the father, William Kate Dickie 129 00:08:05,760 --> 00:08:09,800 Speaker 1: as Catherine, the mother, and Harvey Scrimshaw as the son Caleb. 130 00:08:09,880 --> 00:08:13,760 Speaker 1: Those are our primary characters here. Eggers arrived at the 131 00:08:13,880 --> 00:08:18,400 Speaker 1: very accurate, time appropriate dialogue by pouring through writings. Some 132 00:08:18,480 --> 00:08:21,600 Speaker 1: of it's just taken from writings he found from that period. 133 00:08:22,240 --> 00:08:24,720 Speaker 1: And so one of my favorites, as people know follow 134 00:08:24,800 --> 00:08:28,400 Speaker 1: us on social media, wouldst thou like to live deliciously? 135 00:08:28,960 --> 00:08:33,120 Speaker 1: What'st thou like the taste of butter? That's so good? 136 00:08:33,559 --> 00:08:38,080 Speaker 1: Gon Um I used that quote all the time. Lauren, 137 00:08:38,200 --> 00:08:40,800 Speaker 1: my co host Separate Savers, she has a shirt with 138 00:08:40,840 --> 00:08:44,160 Speaker 1: black Philip that has that quote. I love that, of 139 00:08:44,200 --> 00:08:47,559 Speaker 1: course she does. Um. So the plot, We're gonna go 140 00:08:47,559 --> 00:08:50,199 Speaker 1: ahead and jump in there. Uh. It follows a pured 141 00:08:50,240 --> 00:08:54,600 Speaker 1: in family. Father William, pregnant mother Katherine Thomason, the teenage daughter, Caleb, 142 00:08:54,640 --> 00:08:58,000 Speaker 1: the pubescent son. Young twins Mercy and Jonah's and not 143 00:08:58,160 --> 00:09:02,440 Speaker 1: yet born Samuel recently emigrated from England to New England 144 00:09:02,600 --> 00:09:05,840 Speaker 1: in the sixteen thirties. The movie opens with them banned 145 00:09:05,880 --> 00:09:09,360 Speaker 1: from their town because of their father's over zealous beliefs 146 00:09:09,400 --> 00:09:13,199 Speaker 1: his quote sin of prideful conceit, and journey out into 147 00:09:13,200 --> 00:09:15,679 Speaker 1: the wild to build a home of their own, isolated 148 00:09:15,760 --> 00:09:20,560 Speaker 1: from others on the edge of the woods, very ominous woods. Obviously. 149 00:09:21,200 --> 00:09:24,560 Speaker 1: Um Thomason is the only one outwardly hesitant, and she 150 00:09:24,640 --> 00:09:28,120 Speaker 1: looks back at their town as they leave. I okay, 151 00:09:28,120 --> 00:09:30,880 Speaker 1: so I just gotta step in here. I love, love, 152 00:09:31,040 --> 00:09:33,600 Speaker 1: love the building choir. When they see the tree line, 153 00:09:33,600 --> 00:09:38,439 Speaker 1: it's like this discordant. I mean, as you said, it's 154 00:09:38,480 --> 00:09:41,680 Speaker 1: like the darkness follows them and that is the sound, yes, 155 00:09:41,760 --> 00:09:45,600 Speaker 1: and it has their praying and there they've arrived, and 156 00:09:46,040 --> 00:09:51,440 Speaker 1: just the ominous foreboding. I love it it is. And 157 00:09:51,480 --> 00:09:57,240 Speaker 1: of course something supernatural is going on. Surprise, surprise. The 158 00:09:57,280 --> 00:10:00,760 Speaker 1: movie does not waste any time confirming at and within 159 00:10:00,800 --> 00:10:04,240 Speaker 1: the first ten minutes, while Thomason is playing peekaboo with 160 00:10:04,280 --> 00:10:08,040 Speaker 1: infant Samuel and he disappears while she has her eyes covered, 161 00:10:08,320 --> 00:10:11,600 Speaker 1: cut to an old, weathered, naked woman who cash phrased 162 00:10:11,640 --> 00:10:14,240 Speaker 1: the baby, kills him, and then grinds down the remains 163 00:10:14,280 --> 00:10:16,640 Speaker 1: to a pace that she rubbed on her skin, allowing 164 00:10:16,720 --> 00:10:20,680 Speaker 1: her to fly. Yes. I remember this very vividly because 165 00:10:20,679 --> 00:10:22,480 Speaker 1: you go into this movie and you're thinking maybe there 166 00:10:22,520 --> 00:10:25,280 Speaker 1: isn't a witch, and then in the first ten minutes like, oh, 167 00:10:25,480 --> 00:10:27,920 Speaker 1: there's a witch and she just killed that baby. It 168 00:10:28,000 --> 00:10:32,760 Speaker 1: was really sad. Yeah. Yeah. So Catherine the mother is 169 00:10:33,200 --> 00:10:37,720 Speaker 1: clearly devastated, believing that Samuel is in hell since they 170 00:10:37,760 --> 00:10:41,320 Speaker 1: hadn't even baptized him yet. She spends her time grieving, 171 00:10:41,400 --> 00:10:45,040 Speaker 1: and she blames Thomason for the baby's disappearance and presumed death. 172 00:10:45,559 --> 00:10:49,200 Speaker 1: William tries to maintain that wolves were behind the disappearance. 173 00:10:49,840 --> 00:10:53,440 Speaker 1: So the farm seems to be cursed. Nothing will grow, 174 00:10:53,559 --> 00:10:56,560 Speaker 1: and what does is bad. They can't seem to forage 175 00:10:56,600 --> 00:10:59,800 Speaker 1: any food or find any game to hunt. Blood instead 176 00:10:59,800 --> 00:11:04,080 Speaker 1: of milk, comes from their livestock. While out on a hunt, 177 00:11:04,240 --> 00:11:06,760 Speaker 1: Caleb voices to William his fear that Samuel is in 178 00:11:06,800 --> 00:11:10,360 Speaker 1: hell and that's same may happen to him. Their hunts, 179 00:11:10,360 --> 00:11:13,559 Speaker 1: like a majority of their hunts, was unsuccessful. William sustains 180 00:11:13,600 --> 00:11:16,640 Speaker 1: a minor injury when attempting to shoot a hair, one 181 00:11:16,640 --> 00:11:18,520 Speaker 1: of the first animals they've seen in the woods since 182 00:11:18,559 --> 00:11:21,240 Speaker 1: they arrived, and the way it's shot there's something sort 183 00:11:21,280 --> 00:11:26,600 Speaker 1: of off about this hair Um. He confesses to Caleb 184 00:11:27,040 --> 00:11:30,680 Speaker 1: that he traded Katherine's cup for supplies. William does not 185 00:11:30,720 --> 00:11:35,480 Speaker 1: the hair doesn't speak. Katherine blames Thomason for her missing cup. 186 00:11:36,000 --> 00:11:39,680 Speaker 1: Caleb tries to step in and de escalate the situation, 187 00:11:39,920 --> 00:11:42,360 Speaker 1: saying that his father and he went into the forest 188 00:11:42,360 --> 00:11:45,839 Speaker 1: to find apples, but that there were none. That night, 189 00:11:45,880 --> 00:11:49,120 Speaker 1: the children overhear their parents planning to send Thompson away 190 00:11:49,160 --> 00:11:52,200 Speaker 1: to serve another family. They also hear their fears that 191 00:11:52,240 --> 00:11:56,800 Speaker 1: the whole family will starve right and then Caleb wakes 192 00:11:56,840 --> 00:11:59,200 Speaker 1: early in the morning determined to prevent this to go 193 00:11:59,360 --> 00:12:02,520 Speaker 1: check so traps and in an earlier scene, we learned 194 00:12:02,520 --> 00:12:05,040 Speaker 1: that Caleb is struggling with feelings of sexual attraction to 195 00:12:05,080 --> 00:12:08,199 Speaker 1: his sister's body. This is also when the twins accused 196 00:12:08,200 --> 00:12:10,600 Speaker 1: Thomason of being a witch, which, by the way, those 197 00:12:10,640 --> 00:12:16,800 Speaker 1: twins so creepy um that they're black goat. Philip talks 198 00:12:16,800 --> 00:12:19,560 Speaker 1: to them and told them this, which, by the way, hello, 199 00:12:20,920 --> 00:12:23,520 Speaker 1: big huge sign. I know, but I thought they were 200 00:12:23,520 --> 00:12:26,520 Speaker 1: just being annoying. I never thought well and all my 201 00:12:26,520 --> 00:12:30,760 Speaker 1: thought was their witches um. Thomason annoyed with the adamantly 202 00:12:30,800 --> 00:12:34,520 Speaker 1: annoying twins scares them, claiming that is claiming that she 203 00:12:34,679 --> 00:12:36,679 Speaker 1: is that which and they better mind her and keep 204 00:12:36,760 --> 00:12:39,320 Speaker 1: quiet about this or else. And at first it is 205 00:12:39,360 --> 00:12:41,400 Speaker 1: sort of a joke, but as the scene progressed, we 206 00:12:41,440 --> 00:12:45,080 Speaker 1: see that Thomason feels power in scaring them. Yeah, and 207 00:12:45,160 --> 00:12:50,280 Speaker 1: she does definitely scare them. Thomason coerces Caleb into allowing 208 00:12:50,320 --> 00:12:53,840 Speaker 1: her to accompany him into the wood. They once again 209 00:12:53,920 --> 00:12:56,720 Speaker 1: see the hair and they're talking. Caleb chase after it 210 00:12:57,120 --> 00:13:00,800 Speaker 1: while Thomason is rendered unconscious. After she's bucked from the horse, 211 00:13:01,320 --> 00:13:04,320 Speaker 1: Caleb finds that their dog has been ripped open near 212 00:13:04,360 --> 00:13:07,200 Speaker 1: the home of a beautiful woman in red or It's 213 00:13:07,240 --> 00:13:12,160 Speaker 1: sort of like a I don't know hut entrance. She 214 00:13:12,320 --> 00:13:17,319 Speaker 1: kisses her and as they're kissing, her arm transforms into 215 00:13:17,400 --> 00:13:20,360 Speaker 1: something gnarled and old and she yanks him away out 216 00:13:20,440 --> 00:13:25,080 Speaker 1: of frame. Always reminds me of a Game of Thrones, right. Also, 217 00:13:26,160 --> 00:13:30,240 Speaker 1: why the dog just leave the dog alone? Just dog alone? 218 00:13:30,559 --> 00:13:34,199 Speaker 1: So unable to find Caleb, Thomason returns home and Catherine's 219 00:13:34,400 --> 00:13:37,560 Speaker 1: rage explodes, which, by the way, Katie, the woman who 220 00:13:37,600 --> 00:13:42,240 Speaker 1: plays his character, is always seemingly this character he's noticed this, 221 00:13:43,120 --> 00:13:45,959 Speaker 1: and she's really good at this. Severe look for sure, 222 00:13:46,440 --> 00:13:50,520 Speaker 1: she's really good at it. She's got talent. Blaming Thomason 223 00:13:50,600 --> 00:13:54,000 Speaker 1: for Caleb's disappearance and Samuel, so William confesses he was 224 00:13:54,000 --> 00:13:57,480 Speaker 1: the one that took Katherine's cup. So one thing unfolds 225 00:13:57,480 --> 00:14:02,440 Speaker 1: to another, and speaking of Caleb returns home that night 226 00:14:02,520 --> 00:14:05,959 Speaker 1: in the rain, naked and ill. Thomason is the one 227 00:14:06,000 --> 00:14:09,880 Speaker 1: that finds him outside. He says, quote her nether parts. 228 00:14:09,920 --> 00:14:14,120 Speaker 1: She sends them upon me, blaming Thomason for his state, 229 00:14:14,880 --> 00:14:19,280 Speaker 1: and a sort of exorcism follows, and it doesn't go well. 230 00:14:19,320 --> 00:14:22,720 Speaker 1: A bloody red apple emerges from his lips, and he 231 00:14:22,960 --> 00:14:29,080 Speaker 1: orgasmically and feverishly declares his love for Christ. The family 232 00:14:29,160 --> 00:14:32,680 Speaker 1: prays together for Caleb, except for Mercy and Jonas, who 233 00:14:32,680 --> 00:14:35,560 Speaker 1: claim that they can't say their prayers they can't remember them. 234 00:14:35,640 --> 00:14:39,720 Speaker 1: Caleb raises off the ground, his body positioned like Jesus's crucifixion, 235 00:14:40,160 --> 00:14:45,480 Speaker 1: and he dies. Catherine becomes convinced that witchcraft is behind 236 00:14:45,560 --> 00:14:48,360 Speaker 1: his death and the fact that the twins can't remember 237 00:14:48,400 --> 00:14:52,280 Speaker 1: their prayers. The twins blame Thomason, proclaiming her to be 238 00:14:52,840 --> 00:14:56,600 Speaker 1: the witch, and again that earlier scene, she very much 239 00:14:56,640 --> 00:14:59,600 Speaker 1: scared them into thinking that she might be, but also 240 00:14:59,720 --> 00:15:01,720 Speaker 1: they we're annoying and might have thrown her under the 241 00:15:01,720 --> 00:15:06,400 Speaker 1: bus anyway. Hurt and angry, Thomason accuses the twins, telling 242 00:15:06,400 --> 00:15:10,000 Speaker 1: her parents that they talk to their goat black philips, 243 00:15:10,080 --> 00:15:14,040 Speaker 1: so they are the witches. William boards all three of 244 00:15:14,080 --> 00:15:17,440 Speaker 1: the children up into into their goat house, despite Thomason's 245 00:15:17,440 --> 00:15:20,720 Speaker 1: desperate please, She overhears her father that night have a breakdown, 246 00:15:20,760 --> 00:15:24,000 Speaker 1: apologizing to God for his pride that led him astray 247 00:15:24,080 --> 00:15:29,880 Speaker 1: from his true religious service, and surprise, things get worse. 248 00:15:31,200 --> 00:15:33,680 Speaker 1: Later that night, strange noises awakened the children and they 249 00:15:33,680 --> 00:15:37,080 Speaker 1: see an old woman drinking milk from the goats. Katherine 250 00:15:37,080 --> 00:15:39,680 Speaker 1: sees Caleb holding a baby Samuel, and she takes the 251 00:15:39,680 --> 00:15:43,480 Speaker 1: baby to breastfeed him, but in reality a crow pecks 252 00:15:43,520 --> 00:15:46,280 Speaker 1: at her chest and her breast is bleeding. Is a 253 00:15:46,400 --> 00:15:50,680 Speaker 1: very disturbing scene. When William goes out to check on 254 00:15:50,720 --> 00:15:52,720 Speaker 1: the children in the morning, he finds the goat house 255 00:15:52,840 --> 00:15:56,600 Speaker 1: is destroyed, the animals are dismembered, the twins are absent, 256 00:15:56,720 --> 00:16:00,240 Speaker 1: and Thomason is unconscious at the center of this orde 257 00:16:00,240 --> 00:16:04,360 Speaker 1: structure with literal blood on her hands, it's clear. He 258 00:16:04,400 --> 00:16:07,440 Speaker 1: thinks Thomason is behind it, but before he can do anything, 259 00:16:07,880 --> 00:16:12,680 Speaker 1: the goat Black Philip brutally kills him as Thomason screams. 260 00:16:13,280 --> 00:16:16,240 Speaker 1: Catherine arrives, infuriated it and blames Thomason for all of 261 00:16:16,280 --> 00:16:18,600 Speaker 1: the bad things that have happened, accusing her of seducing 262 00:16:18,920 --> 00:16:23,280 Speaker 1: William and Caleb. She attacks Thomason, strangling her, and out 263 00:16:23,280 --> 00:16:26,640 Speaker 1: of self defense, Thomason kills her with the blade, stopping 264 00:16:26,640 --> 00:16:30,320 Speaker 1: the entire time, saying that she loves her, that she's sorry. 265 00:16:31,240 --> 00:16:36,080 Speaker 1: So her entire family now dead and prospects are grim. 266 00:16:36,200 --> 00:16:39,320 Speaker 1: No horse, no food, nothing to trade. She numbly waits 267 00:16:39,320 --> 00:16:42,040 Speaker 1: in the stable and calls on Black Philip to speak 268 00:16:42,040 --> 00:16:44,800 Speaker 1: with her. Ah. He appears and asks if she wants 269 00:16:44,840 --> 00:16:49,240 Speaker 1: to live deliciously yes, and transforms into the figure of 270 00:16:49,240 --> 00:16:53,320 Speaker 1: a tall man dressed all in black. Ak Satan, Who 271 00:16:53,360 --> 00:16:56,200 Speaker 1: do you ah? He promises her that she can, and 272 00:16:56,240 --> 00:16:58,640 Speaker 1: that she can taste butter if she removes her shift 273 00:16:58,680 --> 00:17:01,320 Speaker 1: and signs her name in this blood. So she does 274 00:17:01,440 --> 00:17:03,440 Speaker 1: and follows him. They get into the woods to a 275 00:17:03,520 --> 00:17:07,440 Speaker 1: coven of witches around a fire, levitating against the backdrop 276 00:17:07,480 --> 00:17:10,840 Speaker 1: of a full moon, Thomason begins to levitate herself and 277 00:17:10,960 --> 00:17:14,680 Speaker 1: begins to laugh uncontrollably as she goes higher and higher 278 00:17:15,720 --> 00:17:18,720 Speaker 1: in the movie, I can only imagine if you had 279 00:17:18,800 --> 00:17:21,480 Speaker 1: no idea, if you're a listener and you've never heard 280 00:17:21,480 --> 00:17:22,880 Speaker 1: of this movie, didn't watch it, We're like, I don't 281 00:17:22,880 --> 00:17:24,760 Speaker 1: really care to watch it. I'll just listen to them. 282 00:17:24,800 --> 00:17:30,560 Speaker 1: That's quite the plot. That's ah. I can see how 283 00:17:30,600 --> 00:17:35,359 Speaker 1: it would be strange to just hear it. Yeah, but 284 00:17:35,960 --> 00:17:39,480 Speaker 1: that's pretty much what happens. We do want to unpack 285 00:17:39,680 --> 00:17:42,960 Speaker 1: some themes, but first we're gonna pause for a quick 286 00:17:42,960 --> 00:17:59,080 Speaker 1: break for a word from our sponsor, and we're back. 287 00:17:59,240 --> 00:18:03,400 Speaker 1: Thank you sponsor. There. So, there are a lot, a lot, 288 00:18:03,440 --> 00:18:05,280 Speaker 1: a lot a lot of themes when it comes to women, 289 00:18:05,440 --> 00:18:08,119 Speaker 1: feminism we could talk about in this movie. That's one 290 00:18:08,119 --> 00:18:10,880 Speaker 1: of the reasons I kept bringing it up, um, And 291 00:18:11,480 --> 00:18:15,600 Speaker 1: perhaps one of the big ones is sexuality. There's this 292 00:18:15,680 --> 00:18:20,440 Speaker 1: theme of Thomason coming into her womanhood throughout and how 293 00:18:20,800 --> 00:18:24,719 Speaker 1: other people view that as threatening and even dangerous. So you, 294 00:18:25,119 --> 00:18:28,720 Speaker 1: like we said, you have the mom who is jealous 295 00:18:28,960 --> 00:18:33,760 Speaker 1: of Thomason's youth and desirability, who blames her for what 296 00:18:33,920 --> 00:18:38,320 Speaker 1: she perceives as their attraction to Thomason. You have Caleb 297 00:18:38,400 --> 00:18:42,600 Speaker 1: feeling ashamed of his feelings of attraction. Um, you've got 298 00:18:43,560 --> 00:18:47,720 Speaker 1: some moments of weirdness between Thomason and her father. And 299 00:18:47,800 --> 00:18:50,919 Speaker 1: that theme of how dangerous we see the sexuality of 300 00:18:51,000 --> 00:18:54,879 Speaker 1: young women is present throughout. We we talked about that 301 00:18:54,960 --> 00:18:56,920 Speaker 1: all the time. We see that in our media all 302 00:18:56,960 --> 00:19:00,719 Speaker 1: the time, and it's something thing We're going to come 303 00:19:00,760 --> 00:19:04,320 Speaker 1: back to this in a minute. But she is constantly 304 00:19:04,320 --> 00:19:07,720 Speaker 1: blamed for and it's one of the reasons that people 305 00:19:07,760 --> 00:19:10,360 Speaker 1: were so her family was so ready to think, oh, 306 00:19:10,480 --> 00:19:13,600 Speaker 1: she is the witch. It is her fault that I 307 00:19:13,640 --> 00:19:16,960 Speaker 1: feel this way, right, And of course, with it being 308 00:19:17,080 --> 00:19:21,280 Speaker 1: a period peace, a religion is very much part of 309 00:19:21,320 --> 00:19:24,760 Speaker 1: the story, and the motivations of the character's stem from 310 00:19:24,880 --> 00:19:28,120 Speaker 1: the religion as well as their fear of it. Williams 311 00:19:28,160 --> 00:19:31,080 Speaker 1: actions in pride around religion gives some banished from their town. 312 00:19:31,560 --> 00:19:34,880 Speaker 1: Catherine's feared leads her to distrust her daughter Thomason, which 313 00:19:34,920 --> 00:19:37,480 Speaker 1: we talked about. Caleb, so you're about going to hell 314 00:19:37,600 --> 00:19:40,159 Speaker 1: and his giving in to his sexual desire leads to 315 00:19:40,320 --> 00:19:43,639 Speaker 1: his death, and then Thomason struggling against the constraints of 316 00:19:43,640 --> 00:19:48,760 Speaker 1: a religion so ready to punish and obviously blame her. Yeah, 317 00:19:48,800 --> 00:19:52,480 Speaker 1: and I read a really interesting article that dealt into 318 00:19:53,200 --> 00:19:57,119 Speaker 1: what their religion specifically would have meant at this time 319 00:19:57,720 --> 00:19:59,920 Speaker 1: for women. And you know, you already have the constraints 320 00:19:59,920 --> 00:20:03,080 Speaker 1: of you can't own property, and really you don't have 321 00:20:03,119 --> 00:20:08,000 Speaker 1: that much agency, but the religion amplified that and specifically 322 00:20:08,240 --> 00:20:12,400 Speaker 1: like this religion here, um, And I tried to I'm 323 00:20:12,400 --> 00:20:16,760 Speaker 1: a big this won't surprise anyone, I bet, but I 324 00:20:16,800 --> 00:20:19,560 Speaker 1: love like reading into symbols and what does this mean? 325 00:20:19,640 --> 00:20:22,040 Speaker 1: And I noticed that there's seven people in their families, 326 00:20:22,080 --> 00:20:24,040 Speaker 1: so I was trying to go through which of the 327 00:20:24,119 --> 00:20:26,920 Speaker 1: seven deadly sins are each of them. I don't really 328 00:20:26,960 --> 00:20:30,159 Speaker 1: think that's there. I think I was stretching, but you 329 00:20:30,280 --> 00:20:35,879 Speaker 1: definitely see pride and lust and shame, just boatloads of 330 00:20:35,920 --> 00:20:40,280 Speaker 1: shame at play. And if you if you go back 331 00:20:40,320 --> 00:20:45,720 Speaker 1: to Thomason's confession near the beginning, when she's praying and 332 00:20:45,760 --> 00:20:48,399 Speaker 1: she's saying, I've broken all the commandments and thought that 333 00:20:48,520 --> 00:20:51,480 Speaker 1: she's played on the Sabbath of disobedience, that she's been 334 00:20:51,520 --> 00:20:54,879 Speaker 1: neglectful of her prayer she's followed her own desires that 335 00:20:54,920 --> 00:20:58,119 Speaker 1: she knows she deserves to burn in hell, but asked 336 00:20:58,160 --> 00:21:00,800 Speaker 1: for mercy. She she seems to be the only one 337 00:21:01,320 --> 00:21:06,720 Speaker 1: that realizes her sins. She's self aware of these things, 338 00:21:06,760 --> 00:21:10,680 Speaker 1: but she longs for something more. She does not see 339 00:21:11,119 --> 00:21:14,679 Speaker 1: drudgery as a moral good, which was something that was 340 00:21:14,840 --> 00:21:20,040 Speaker 1: a common belief at the time. And of course, throughout 341 00:21:20,119 --> 00:21:22,159 Speaker 1: most of the movie, Thomas In attempts to prove she 342 00:21:22,280 --> 00:21:26,040 Speaker 1: is not a witch, because yes, witchcraft, that is the 343 00:21:26,119 --> 00:21:29,560 Speaker 1: main point of this right, and whether or not they're 344 00:21:29,640 --> 00:21:33,760 Speaker 1: controlling the bad things that are happening to them, um. 345 00:21:33,800 --> 00:21:36,040 Speaker 1: And though she does see the potential power in it 346 00:21:36,119 --> 00:21:39,440 Speaker 1: when trying to scare the twins, she is suspected because 347 00:21:39,440 --> 00:21:43,520 Speaker 1: of her sexuality, surprise, surprise, and transition into a womanhood, 348 00:21:43,520 --> 00:21:46,000 Speaker 1: and once her family is gone, she accepts the label. 349 00:21:46,080 --> 00:21:48,879 Speaker 1: So it's kind of that same idea of the Salem 350 00:21:48,920 --> 00:21:51,640 Speaker 1: witch child. So we're talking about earlier, um, a lot 351 00:21:51,720 --> 00:21:55,280 Speaker 1: of the fear of women and their sexuality and or power. 352 00:21:56,800 --> 00:21:59,879 Speaker 1: And then the which manifests is both the madonna and 353 00:22:00,040 --> 00:22:04,920 Speaker 1: the whore, the crone and the sexy young woman again yeah, yeah, 354 00:22:05,320 --> 00:22:08,159 Speaker 1: And as I said at the top. I think our 355 00:22:08,240 --> 00:22:14,040 Speaker 1: pop culture as definitely normalized, which is and as I said, 356 00:22:14,080 --> 00:22:16,000 Speaker 1: we're probably gonna just do all which content for this 357 00:22:16,080 --> 00:22:19,720 Speaker 1: forever um, so it's easy, or at least it was 358 00:22:19,800 --> 00:22:24,120 Speaker 1: easy for me to forget people were legitimately afraid of wishes, 359 00:22:25,040 --> 00:22:28,560 Speaker 1: like they really did think that this was a thing, 360 00:22:29,359 --> 00:22:33,439 Speaker 1: and that's terrifying, And it's terrifying to be on the 361 00:22:33,440 --> 00:22:37,320 Speaker 1: other end, to be accused and not be able to 362 00:22:37,400 --> 00:22:39,640 Speaker 1: do just because you're you're a young woman who's coming 363 00:22:39,640 --> 00:22:43,440 Speaker 1: into her sexuality. So I love, I really did appreciate 364 00:22:43,480 --> 00:22:46,560 Speaker 1: that this movie was able to do that in a 365 00:22:46,600 --> 00:22:48,960 Speaker 1: way that I could connect to you, even in their 366 00:22:49,119 --> 00:22:55,600 Speaker 1: old timey puritan dialogue. And yeah, during the Salem witch trials, 367 00:22:55,680 --> 00:22:58,520 Speaker 1: any woman on the fringes of society and even those 368 00:22:58,560 --> 00:23:01,600 Speaker 1: that weren't, uh, we're being able to witch. And there 369 00:23:01,640 --> 00:23:05,400 Speaker 1: was a danger around that, obviously, But we can draw 370 00:23:05,520 --> 00:23:10,840 Speaker 1: parallels from that to feminism, which we will in a 371 00:23:10,880 --> 00:23:13,800 Speaker 1: little bit. But we wanted to also touch on this 372 00:23:13,840 --> 00:23:17,080 Speaker 1: whole idea of not believing women because that is so 373 00:23:18,040 --> 00:23:21,119 Speaker 1: so big in this movie, is so prominent. Thomason is 374 00:23:21,160 --> 00:23:24,440 Speaker 1: doubted throughout the film no matter what she says or does. 375 00:23:24,920 --> 00:23:27,920 Speaker 1: They are all so ready to blame her for things 376 00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:31,760 Speaker 1: out of her control, including her sexuality. And because we 377 00:23:31,800 --> 00:23:34,040 Speaker 1: have seen this in our world, this is a fear 378 00:23:34,119 --> 00:23:37,800 Speaker 1: that a lot of us can connect to, especially women. 379 00:23:38,320 --> 00:23:41,200 Speaker 1: It makes it easier for us to be unsure whether 380 00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:43,919 Speaker 1: something is actually supernatural, and in terms of this movie, 381 00:23:44,119 --> 00:23:47,640 Speaker 1: or if it's madness or both. Not being believed is terrifying, 382 00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:51,920 Speaker 1: so is admitting the devil is reel both. They're scary, right, 383 00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:55,320 Speaker 1: very scary. Um. There's also the layer of yes, there 384 00:23:55,359 --> 00:23:58,760 Speaker 1: are witches, but they became witches because they had no 385 00:23:58,880 --> 00:24:01,560 Speaker 1: other choice. They were pushed into that and they were 386 00:24:01,560 --> 00:24:03,640 Speaker 1: told that we're going to be So yeah, let's lean 387 00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:06,200 Speaker 1: into this um if they wanted to live to take 388 00:24:06,240 --> 00:24:09,440 Speaker 1: his freedom or not die from accusations that were untrue 389 00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:11,720 Speaker 1: at the time, So yeah, why not go into for 390 00:24:11,800 --> 00:24:14,600 Speaker 1: the power? Well, it's one of those things where everyone 391 00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:16,359 Speaker 1: kept telling her she was a witch and she was 392 00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:20,040 Speaker 1: trying so hard to prove that she wasn't, even though 393 00:24:20,280 --> 00:24:22,560 Speaker 1: like in her confession, it's clear that she wants something 394 00:24:22,600 --> 00:24:26,200 Speaker 1: more than the very narrow existence she's been told is moral. 395 00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:31,560 Speaker 1: So yeah, eventually, at what point do you say, okay, 396 00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:35,359 Speaker 1: yeah right, I mean and we already know if Black 397 00:24:35,359 --> 00:24:39,399 Speaker 1: Philip is the goat slash Satan who has kind of 398 00:24:39,440 --> 00:24:43,680 Speaker 1: started this dialogue and thought process of your witch. And 399 00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:47,239 Speaker 1: he implanted that into the Little Twins, creepy little Twins, 400 00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:53,359 Speaker 1: almost as to breathe it to life. Yeah, well worked. Uh. 401 00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:56,280 Speaker 1: Thompson is the only one not to be directly targeted 402 00:24:56,320 --> 00:24:58,320 Speaker 1: by the Witch are Satan in one form or another. 403 00:24:58,760 --> 00:25:01,920 Speaker 1: She instead is targeted by the mistrust of her family. 404 00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:06,480 Speaker 1: She is blamed for Caleb paying her sexual attention. The 405 00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:10,800 Speaker 1: movie also is about a father's pride and failing more 406 00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:15,560 Speaker 1: accurately that I think they should be blaming him, who 407 00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:17,720 Speaker 1: could be read as a stand in for the patriarchy, 408 00:25:17,840 --> 00:25:19,399 Speaker 1: because he was the one that got them kicked out 409 00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:21,520 Speaker 1: of their village. He sold the cup, he chose where 410 00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:24,240 Speaker 1: to put their new home. He couldn't secure them food. 411 00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:30,400 Speaker 1: He was too proud. Eventually he came to the realization, oh, 412 00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:33,000 Speaker 1: we need we need help. But for a long time 413 00:25:33,040 --> 00:25:34,720 Speaker 1: he resistant. He was too proud to go back to 414 00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:37,480 Speaker 1: the village or admit he was wrong. Um. All he 415 00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:40,480 Speaker 1: does is chop wood, and Black Philip gores him with that. 416 00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:43,800 Speaker 1: In the backdrop as if to say, what they are 417 00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:47,440 Speaker 1: these powers? You weak, weak, mortal. You thought you were 418 00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:52,720 Speaker 1: doing something, but nope. Um. And yeah, as we said, 419 00:25:52,760 --> 00:25:55,600 Speaker 1: Thomasin wanted to stay in their town, but she had 420 00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:58,080 Speaker 1: no agency. She was treated like property. She she's even 421 00:25:58,160 --> 00:26:01,000 Speaker 1: kind of framed that way as a leave for she's 422 00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:05,160 Speaker 1: in the back of the wagon with all the their luggage. 423 00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:13,639 Speaker 1: She watches their town. And speaking of the patriarchy and 424 00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:18,280 Speaker 1: feminism as a theme, the creator Robert Eggers told USA Today, 425 00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:20,840 Speaker 1: quote and all of my trying to stand back and 426 00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:24,080 Speaker 1: be objective about themes, feminism rises to the top. And 427 00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:26,520 Speaker 1: the spost question for the Satanic Temple specifically called it 428 00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:29,919 Speaker 1: a tale of female rebellion and embracing being an outsider. 429 00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:32,879 Speaker 1: So the Temple partnered with A twenty four, the distributing 430 00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:35,479 Speaker 1: company for this movie when it was released, for some 431 00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:40,000 Speaker 1: screening and talks, which is interesting. Um. And also there 432 00:26:40,040 --> 00:26:42,480 Speaker 1: are less aligned with Satan and more aligned with things 433 00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:45,639 Speaker 1: like gay and reproductive rights, which is cool. Um. The 434 00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:48,639 Speaker 1: leader of the Temple, Jack Blackmore, said, as Satanists, we 435 00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:51,199 Speaker 1: are ever mindful of the plight of women and outsiders 436 00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:54,520 Speaker 1: throughout the history who suffered under the hammer of the theocracy, 437 00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:57,719 Speaker 1: and yet fought to empower themselves. And while the patriarchy 438 00:26:57,760 --> 00:27:00,439 Speaker 1: makes which is of only the most social vulnerable members 439 00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:05,120 Speaker 1: of society, Egger's film refuses to construct a victim narrative. Instead, 440 00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:09,760 Speaker 1: it features a declaration of feminine independence. Yeah, there are 441 00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:11,760 Speaker 1: a lot of good quotes about this movie, and we're 442 00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:13,960 Speaker 1: gonna end on to spectacular one. I've got to say 443 00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:18,280 Speaker 1: before we get into more of the patriarchy and feminism, 444 00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:20,000 Speaker 1: We're gonna get into one more quick break for a 445 00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:36,400 Speaker 1: word from our sponsor, m and we're back, Thank you, sponsor. 446 00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:40,400 Speaker 1: So another quote we want to include is from Diane 447 00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:43,920 Speaker 1: Cohen at Marie Claire The Real Horror and Robert Egger's 448 00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:46,520 Speaker 1: new film, The which a New England folk tale, isn't 449 00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:49,439 Speaker 1: satanic goats, baby abduction or even defarius which is in 450 00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:54,200 Speaker 1: the woods is limited and punishing road to womanhood. And Yeah, 451 00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:56,800 Speaker 1: at the time, your path as a woman was wife 452 00:27:56,880 --> 00:28:01,360 Speaker 1: and mother, no job, probably often arriage of convenience, as 453 00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:05,200 Speaker 1: Thomason's parents were discussing for her. According to the religion 454 00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:07,600 Speaker 1: that they followed, even your fate in the afterlife was 455 00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:10,080 Speaker 1: out of your hands. So for a woman not following 456 00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:14,760 Speaker 1: the rules pursuing autonomy meant literally going to hell. In 457 00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:19,159 Speaker 1: the Puritanical interpretation, women were weaker than men inherently and 458 00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:22,920 Speaker 1: easier to corrupt. They were dependent on men to receive 459 00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:25,280 Speaker 1: God's directives. It kind of goes back to that whole 460 00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:30,560 Speaker 1: Adam and Eve thing. Um, so they were easier to 461 00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:36,320 Speaker 1: fall to sin, of course, I mean definitely. I mean 462 00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:42,800 Speaker 1: Eve he started at all, she she did. We're actually 463 00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:44,400 Speaker 1: going to talk about that in our book club one, 464 00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:46,800 Speaker 1: or we already did talk about that in book. So 465 00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:50,800 Speaker 1: I'm excited for for everyone to hear that. But I 466 00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:53,040 Speaker 1: didn't want to talk about Black Philip because for me 467 00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:56,560 Speaker 1: this was such a great reveal. I honestly, I think 468 00:28:56,560 --> 00:28:58,160 Speaker 1: the first time I saw it, I thought they were 469 00:28:58,200 --> 00:29:00,440 Speaker 1: just being annoying, or that it was another a weird 470 00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:03,680 Speaker 1: thing the Which was doing to mess with their heads. Uh. 471 00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:06,800 Speaker 1: This was like, not only are there which is messing 472 00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:09,600 Speaker 1: with you, but the devil himself is messing with you. 473 00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:13,000 Speaker 1: And the fact that he's a man. And Thomason asked 474 00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:15,840 Speaker 1: to sign his book not only to quote live deliciously, 475 00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:19,120 Speaker 1: but also as a last resort to me says that 476 00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:22,240 Speaker 1: even a taste of freedom for women still functions within 477 00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:27,680 Speaker 1: this patriarchal structure. It is the first choice she gets 478 00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:29,360 Speaker 1: to make on her own, but it really it's not 479 00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:33,400 Speaker 1: that much of a choice, right, She's cornered and do it. Um, 480 00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:37,080 Speaker 1: And some interpret a Satan corrupting Thomason. If you look 481 00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:39,520 Speaker 1: at the color palette in the final scene, is very 482 00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:42,120 Speaker 1: different from the rest of the film, which for the 483 00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:45,120 Speaker 1: most part have been drab and neutral. Yeah, you definitely 484 00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:48,160 Speaker 1: have that ominous feel to it. And then in the 485 00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:51,959 Speaker 1: end Thomas and his bathed in flames like hell, and 486 00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:55,800 Speaker 1: her hair wild and down and naked and just floating 487 00:29:56,200 --> 00:30:00,960 Speaker 1: and covered and not covered. Blood. There's spatters of blood spatters. Um. 488 00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:03,840 Speaker 1: I wonder, you know, my horror movie theory, Samantha, it 489 00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:07,520 Speaker 1: all comes back to the male fear of administruation, So 490 00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:12,000 Speaker 1: I wonder if that's supposed to evoke her womanhood. Um. 491 00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:14,600 Speaker 1: But also, yeah, if you compare the first time you 492 00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:17,040 Speaker 1: see Thomason to the last time you do, she's like 493 00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:21,600 Speaker 1: completely covered. She she's sort of all drab and dreary, 494 00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:25,480 Speaker 1: and you know, her face is almost angelic. And then 495 00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:29,280 Speaker 1: the last time you see here very much the opposite, 496 00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:33,440 Speaker 1: very very different. So here's the quote we promised. I 497 00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:37,000 Speaker 1: love this. Founder and writer of the Miss Squatonic Institute 498 00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:39,880 Speaker 1: of Horror Studies, cure La Geni's called the ending a 499 00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:44,600 Speaker 1: huge feminist kick in the balls. Love it, love it, 500 00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:48,200 Speaker 1: and I do really appreciate um that there is a 501 00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:50,920 Speaker 1: lot of feminist discussion and disagreement about how feminist it 502 00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:54,880 Speaker 1: actually is. I love those kinds of things. And I'm 503 00:30:54,920 --> 00:30:57,920 Speaker 1: also glad because, as you probably know, Samantha, someone who 504 00:30:57,960 --> 00:31:00,760 Speaker 1: works on a show like this, sometimes I think, am 505 00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:04,280 Speaker 1: I reading too much into this? But I'm I'm glad 506 00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:07,640 Speaker 1: a lot of people had some some thoughts about feminism 507 00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:13,760 Speaker 1: and this movie rights should I think so? I definitely 508 00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:17,160 Speaker 1: think so. So. Yeah, that's what we have to say 509 00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:20,360 Speaker 1: about The Witch for today. We do have some listener 510 00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:24,440 Speaker 1: mail for you for this one. Yes, um So Grace wrote, 511 00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:26,960 Speaker 1: I'm a longtime fan of the Sminty podcast and just 512 00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:29,760 Speaker 1: finished listening to your recent episode on hearing and hearing loss. 513 00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:32,440 Speaker 1: In the fall, I'll hopefully be starting my senior year 514 00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:36,120 Speaker 1: of college studying audio engineering. The prevalent gender gap in 515 00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:38,680 Speaker 1: the audio and music industries has been constantly seeking out 516 00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:42,040 Speaker 1: new ways to start constructive conversations, including media to suggest 517 00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:44,560 Speaker 1: to friends to get the ball rolling. Looking forward to 518 00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:48,600 Speaker 1: sharing this episode into the conversations that follow. Inspired by 519 00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:50,720 Speaker 1: the call to share media that might appeal to the 520 00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:53,520 Speaker 1: sminty audience, I wanted to share an album that my band, 521 00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:56,800 Speaker 1: Grace Kelly, released in February, and that's g R A 522 00:31:57,120 --> 00:32:00,520 Speaker 1: C E K E L l I E No Space 523 00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:04,240 Speaker 1: in Between. Grace Kelly, made up of two female audio engineers, 524 00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:06,120 Speaker 1: is all about girl powered sound and music through a 525 00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:09,440 Speaker 1: feminist lens. Our debut album, like the Princess, is available 526 00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:12,040 Speaker 1: for streaming everywhere, and I think the spiny audience would 527 00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:14,760 Speaker 1: be most into TSHA, Drink your Coffee Black and Not 528 00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:17,280 Speaker 1: Scared of You, both of which are songs that expose 529 00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:22,720 Speaker 1: and attempt to dismantle patriarchal expectations of women. Yay, I 530 00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:26,120 Speaker 1: loved it. I listened to that. Uh it was great. 531 00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:30,720 Speaker 1: Great word Grace. Um go check it out listeners. Uh, 532 00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:34,920 Speaker 1: it is available pretty much wherever music is streaming. You 533 00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:37,920 Speaker 1: wanted to find a new playlist, Oh that's right, we should. 534 00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:40,240 Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, I would be great if listeners sent 535 00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:42,680 Speaker 1: in the music or something stuff they created, we can 536 00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:46,720 Speaker 1: make a playlist. I love it, so please Keep those 537 00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:50,520 Speaker 1: things coming in. We we really do appreciate it. Keep 538 00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:53,560 Speaker 1: those suggestions for what our next movie should be, our 539 00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:56,560 Speaker 1: next watch party, or next to book club, and you 540 00:32:56,600 --> 00:32:59,440 Speaker 1: can send those to our email, which is Stuff Media 541 00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:02,000 Speaker 1: mom Stuff at I heart media dot com. 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