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Speaker 1: Who doesn't. He's like all time great character guy. Could

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Speaker 1: be a little inaccurate, you know when you really watch

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Speaker 1: him at ore Again, guys weren't wide open. But he

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Speaker 1: was an easy guy to root for. But he's a

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Speaker 1: good example. I looked it up today. He's made eighty

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Speaker 1: three million dollars and he hasn't been a starter in years.

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Speaker 1: If you are a good guy, right and you're on

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Speaker 1: that tier that like, you know, I'm not gonna be

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Speaker 1: a top twelve fifteen quarterback, but people are gonna love me.

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Speaker 1: You can make a lot of money in the NFL.

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Speaker 1: And like, at the end of the day, if Mariotas

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Speaker 1: started a lot of games, you're gonna lose a lot

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Speaker 1: of them. But he's got another year after this, maybe

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Speaker 1: a couple. When it's all said and done, I get

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Speaker 1: a couple more five million dollar contracts. He might make

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Speaker 1: one hundred million dollars by the time, he's thirty six,

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Speaker 1: thirty seven years old as a backup quarterback. And I

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Speaker 1: think that's a good lesson for life, like be a

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Speaker 1: being valuable in certain industries is like be a guy

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Speaker 1: that other people want to be around. Ask Joe Flacco

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Speaker 1: or people that have employed Joe Flacco what that means

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Speaker 1: they like being around Joe Flacco. Well, I said this

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Speaker 1: about Mark Sanchez. I always said that Mark Sanchez, Remember

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Speaker 1: he had a long career as a backup. People loved him.

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Speaker 1: And there's about Chase Daniel was a guy that played

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Speaker 1: had like four career starts, made like forty million dollars.

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Speaker 1: So the value of Mariota is not that he's a

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Speaker 1: majority of them, right, and they basically pay him to

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Speaker 1: not play, you know. And there are some like Mac

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Speaker 1: a good example of that. Mac Jones can become a

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Speaker 1: guy that can just have a long career making eight

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Speaker 1: and maybe one team one year will give him, like

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Speaker 1: one year twenty million dollars to be a bridge quarterback

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Speaker 1: so he can inflate his overall earnings over the course

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Speaker 1: draft young quarterbacks. Well, who do you want around a

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Speaker 1: Alex Smith, Brett Veach, Andy Reid had a goal to

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Speaker 1: They wanted a mature guy around their young quarterback. Who'd

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Speaker 1: make millions of dollars for years being the backup for

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Speaker 1: A couple other things. I don't think I did a

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Speaker 1: They thought he was going to be really good, but

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Speaker 1: they didn't know until he played, Like you know, they

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Speaker 1: didn't they never knew was going to be this. I mean,

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Speaker 1: He could be a fringe Pro Bowl guy and maybe

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Speaker 1: have a higher ceiling. Turns out as one of the

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Speaker 1: great players of all time. But that move took balls.

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Speaker 1: And anytime you make a quarterback move, let Sam Donald

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Speaker 1: go for JJ McCarthy like that, that takes stones, and

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Speaker 1: I admire, like it's so much easier to make suggestions

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Speaker 1: beside the Atlanta Falcons and the way they set that up,

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Speaker 1: but I understood what Minnesota. Did you know? And I

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Speaker 1: think Goodakins and the floor. It's easier to let Sam

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Speaker 1: Washington than it is to trade Aaron Rodgers after he's

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Speaker 1: won multiple MVPs on your watch and made you a

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Speaker 1: lot of money and made you as a coach and

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Speaker 1: GM look really good and the conviction they had and

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Speaker 1: listen like it could have gone wrong. Even if Rogers

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Speaker 1: gets traded to the Jets and nothing changes, he still

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Speaker 1: tells Achilles his career is going like it's going if

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Speaker 1: Jordan Love sucks, which clearly is possible. Right Whenever you

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Speaker 1: insert a young quarterback, whether he's a former first rounder

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Speaker 1: or a fifth rounder, he might not be good at

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Speaker 1: NFL football. It is clearly not an exact science, and

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Speaker 1: we don't really have any more of a clue now

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Speaker 1: than we did thirty twenty fifteen years ago. We've been

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Speaker 1: missing on these guys forever and Jordan loved clearly was

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Speaker 1: a wild card. Utah didn't play that much. He just

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Speaker 1: didn't know. It's not like he came from a powerful conference.

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Speaker 1: He was playing at Utah State against San Diego States

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Speaker 1: and New Mexico's. Now he had a lot of physical ability,

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Speaker 1: but you're going to keep your fingers crossed. Now they

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Speaker 1: had years working with him behind the scenes, but still

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Speaker 1: like it hasn't I don't think it could have gone

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Speaker 1: much better to go from Rogers to a I that

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Speaker 1: could just be one of the best quarterbacks in your

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Speaker 1: conference and be a starting quarterback on a team several

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Speaker 1: years later. I mean they've gone to the playoffs back

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Speaker 1: to back years. Two years ago they won a game

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Speaker 1: on the road against the Cowboys, and this year they

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Speaker 1: stay healthy, they are going to be a major threat

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Speaker 1: to be the number one overall seat. So back like

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Speaker 1: when Ted Thompson traded Farv to go with Rogers, the

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Speaker 1: nuts that takes because the easy thing to do is

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Speaker 1: and most people in life, whether you work at Google,

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Speaker 1: whether you work at Wells Fargo, or whether you work

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Speaker 1: for an NFL team, are going to take the safe

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Speaker 1: route for job preservation. I don't think anyone would have

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Speaker 1: blamed them, and I don't think most people, even if

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Speaker 1: they believed in Jordan Love like it. The easy thing

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Speaker 1: would have been, like, let's just try to keep Aaron Rodgers, like,

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Speaker 1: you know what, let's break up, let's do this. We

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Speaker 1: will pull the trigger and trade you away and go

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Speaker 1: with Jordan Love. And it's worked out. Obviously, he's his careers.

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Speaker 1: I'm not saying has been perfect. But you watch him

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Speaker 1: night football, just slinging it all over the place, and

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Speaker 1: a couple of things he did, like we talk a

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Speaker 1: lot about quarterbacks being reckless, and when I talk about that,

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Speaker 1: it's more when they're running around, you gotta be careful

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Speaker 1: and you got to just hit the ground. You can't

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Speaker 1: take these just unneeded shots. You are going to take

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Speaker 1: shots when you're sitting in the pocket holding onto that

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Speaker 1: ball for that extra split second to get the guy open.

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Speaker 1: And he did that multiple times last night. Like his

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Speaker 1: toughness was on full display. And I think there is

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Speaker 1: not a GM Obviously, just this year, you would rather

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Speaker 1: have Jordan Love than Aaron Rodgers, and over the last

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Speaker 1: several years, it's not even a question given that he's

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Speaker 1: hurt and now old, and I'm not acting like Aaron

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Speaker 1: a move by those two guys. Brian Kelly, I want

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Speaker 1: to hit on this really quick because I've been thinking

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Speaker 1: and you know, knowing a lot of guys that work

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Speaker 1: important to watch some of these guys during games for

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Speaker 1: disliked by most NFL teams because he's not a likable guy,

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Speaker 1: but he's a liar. And I was like, I didn't know.

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Speaker 1: I just assume fickles like kind of like a Mike Vrabel, like, no,

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Speaker 1: not like a criminal or whatever, you just kind of

639
00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:58,120
Speaker 1: suck it up and deal with it called life. But

640
00:34:58,160 --> 00:35:01,200
Speaker 1: when you don't win, or in my example, when you

641
00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:04,040
Speaker 1: aren't making money, you're like, I ain't doing this shit,

642
00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:07,400
Speaker 1: no way, Well, why do you think everyone's turned on

643
00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:11,360
Speaker 1: Belichick over the last four or five years because that act,

644
00:35:11,719 --> 00:35:15,640
Speaker 1: when you're absolutely miserable, you have no personal relationship with

645
00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:19,640
Speaker 1: any of these guys, specifically your players, it's not gonna work.

646
00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:22,680
Speaker 1: And this is not the sixties and seventies, the eighties,

647
00:35:22,719 --> 00:35:25,319
Speaker 1: the nineties where you could just be like that and

648
00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:28,400
Speaker 1: no one ever pushes back. Now, I'm a big believer

649
00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:31,319
Speaker 1: that I think it's overrated a little bit. Like different generations,

650
00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:34,920
Speaker 1: I think anyone worth their salt wants to be pushed

651
00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:39,759
Speaker 1: to their highest level of potential, and I think athletes

652
00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:42,799
Speaker 1: are no different than whatever we do that when you're

653
00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:46,880
Speaker 1: around the right guy that establishes a relationship with you

654
00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:50,000
Speaker 1: that you know can take you to another level. You

655
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:54,000
Speaker 1: can deal with some quote unquote hard coaching, right Dan Campbell,

656
00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:59,520
Speaker 1: can Kyle Shanahan, Sean McVay, Lafleur. Those guys are quote

657
00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:02,600
Speaker 1: unquote lighting people up when they need to be, but

658
00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:05,520
Speaker 1: they also have a personal relationship with them. I bet

659
00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:08,359
Speaker 1: if you went to a Kirby Smart practice, you're gonna

660
00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:10,799
Speaker 1: hear some f bombs. But I bet if you went

661
00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:13,200
Speaker 1: to the cafeteria when he's hanging out with the linebackers

662
00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:16,680
Speaker 1: or the dbs, like he knows them all pretty well.

663
00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:20,080
Speaker 1: Even Nick Saban's a good example where he screamed at

664
00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:22,680
Speaker 1: people constantly, and I've known a lot of people that

665
00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:25,960
Speaker 1: worked for him. It was difficult, but you knew that

666
00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:29,120
Speaker 1: it was gonna work. Nick Saban could not have done

667
00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:32,040
Speaker 1: what he did. If he was winning six games a year,

668
00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:35,480
Speaker 1: everyone would have quit and players would have there would

669
00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:37,799
Speaker 1: have been a mutiny, But they were winning so big

670
00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:41,120
Speaker 1: everyone just bought in. That's the problem with Brian Kelly

671
00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:45,719
Speaker 1: in LSU. I thought that everyone made a little bit

672
00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:48,480
Speaker 1: too big a deal about the accent and the family

673
00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:54,440
Speaker 1: and just everything about that. But looking back, he was

674
00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:57,400
Speaker 1: a fish out of water and he tried to pretend

675
00:36:57,800 --> 00:36:59,640
Speaker 1: he was something he was not. And I saw a

676
00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:02,400
Speaker 1: bunch of people I feel like I fallow a lot

677
00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:05,640
Speaker 1: of people from Louisiana. They're like, this notion that you

678
00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:08,800
Speaker 1: got to be from Louisiana to coach this team is bullshit.

679
00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:13,000
Speaker 1: You could be from wherever. You just need to have

680
00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:17,359
Speaker 1: the passion, the energy, and the want to be here

681
00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:20,600
Speaker 1: and people will embrace you it Obviously, you gotta win games.

682
00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:26,040
Speaker 1: It almost felt like Brian Kelly never dove headfirst into

683
00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:30,120
Speaker 1: the deep end. Like I consider, you know, people like

684
00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:32,719
Speaker 1: Nick Saban's not quote from the South and he's from

685
00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:36,640
Speaker 1: West Virginia. He had coached at LSU, but several years

686
00:37:36,680 --> 00:37:41,120
Speaker 1: in he felt part of Alabama, and like Alabama felt

687
00:37:41,160 --> 00:37:45,520
Speaker 1: part of him. They were intertwined, and you felt Brian Kelly,

688
00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:49,800
Speaker 1: it felt like he was just a hired mercenary almost

689
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:52,959
Speaker 1: a lot like some of these players. Look at Florida State,

690
00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:56,160
Speaker 1: they have been kings of just buying players on the

691
00:37:56,160 --> 00:38:00,640
Speaker 1: transfer portal, and when it works, it's awesome. When it doesn't,

692
00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:04,360
Speaker 1: guys just tap out because there's not like that sweat

693
00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:07,319
Speaker 1: equity and loyalty. You look last year at Ohio State

694
00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:09,600
Speaker 1: making the run. What do they have going for them?

695
00:38:10,120 --> 00:38:12,439
Speaker 1: They had a lot of guys who had been there

696
00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:16,279
Speaker 1: for years. Everyone was rowing in the same direction. They

697
00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:19,720
Speaker 1: were all part of the same deal. Or it felt

698
00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:23,120
Speaker 1: like Brian Kelly, it's weird. I know he had LSU

699
00:38:23,160 --> 00:38:27,719
Speaker 1: on a shirt, but he always felt like, I don't know,

700
00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:30,080
Speaker 1: the red face guy from Boston that was the Notre

701
00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:32,680
Speaker 1: Dame coach that was just doing this because they gave

702
00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:35,560
Speaker 1: him ninety million dollars and it felt like he could

703
00:38:35,560 --> 00:38:37,920
Speaker 1: never really be himself, and part of being himself is

704
00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:40,920
Speaker 1: just he's truly an asshole. Like there's just and I

705
00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:44,719
Speaker 1: think sometimes like some people that's just their personality. Like

706
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:48,080
Speaker 1: not everyone's just super friendly and that's fine. Just be

707
00:38:48,239 --> 00:38:51,080
Speaker 1: true to yourself, be authentic to who you are. One

708
00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:54,640
Speaker 1: of Lane Kiffen's things that he's doing really well right now,

709
00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:57,760
Speaker 1: he just feels pretty authentic. He's kind of a goofy,

710
00:38:58,360 --> 00:39:01,320
Speaker 1: making jokes, not that serial all the time. That's I

711
00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:04,799
Speaker 1: think kind of his personality. I remember when I was

712
00:39:04,840 --> 00:39:07,719
Speaker 1: scouting and he was the USC head coach. He was

713
00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:10,439
Speaker 1: actually back then he tried to act like Belichick, didn't

714
00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:13,360
Speaker 1: talk to anybody, was kind of a dick, tried to

715
00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:16,480
Speaker 1: put on this like front and it didn't really work

716
00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:19,879
Speaker 1: and it was a disaster form and in life, when

717
00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:22,759
Speaker 1: people think you're an asshole, if you are not the

718
00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:27,640
Speaker 1: best of the best, either the top moneymaker, the top coach,

719
00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:31,960
Speaker 1: the top player, they will turn on you first. So

720
00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:35,280
Speaker 1: Brian Kelly, like Billy naper is a good example. People

721
00:39:35,520 --> 00:39:39,720
Speaker 1: like Billy Napier down in Florida. Why nice guy. People

722
00:39:39,719 --> 00:39:42,040
Speaker 1: got along with him, so he got a longer rope,

723
00:39:42,080 --> 00:39:47,000
Speaker 1: even though it clearly was not working. Life's not that complicated.

724
00:39:47,120 --> 00:39:51,440
Speaker 1: People want good people to have good things happen to them.

725
00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:54,800
Speaker 1: When people think you're a bad guy, which Brian Kelly,

726
00:39:54,840 --> 00:39:57,440
Speaker 1: the display he had on the sideline was like just

727
00:39:57,480 --> 00:40:01,120
Speaker 1: a bad guy. You just a we all know him.

728
00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:05,359
Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, that's James Man. Just stay away from him.

729
00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:08,359
Speaker 1: Do not do a deal with that guy. A lot

730
00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:10,920
Speaker 1: of shady stories about him. We all know these people.

731
00:40:12,080 --> 00:40:13,960
Speaker 1: Even if you can have a one on one interaction

732
00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:16,120
Speaker 1: maybe over beering he's cool, you just saw like you

733
00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:19,040
Speaker 1: just do not trust this guy. Brian Kelly looks like

734
00:40:19,080 --> 00:40:23,239
Speaker 1: a guy you don't trust. And obviously Jimmy Sexon being

735
00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:25,080
Speaker 1: his agent got him a lot of money and he

736
00:40:25,120 --> 00:40:28,880
Speaker 1: did a good job at Notre Dame. But uh, it

737
00:40:29,080 --> 00:40:33,920
Speaker 1: just felt like, I don't know, I mean, just to

738
00:40:34,160 --> 00:40:38,160
Speaker 1: fish out of water, and he could just resort, resort

739
00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:41,200
Speaker 1: to what he knows best, and that's just being a

740
00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:44,480
Speaker 1: royal dick to everybody. And you can pull that off

741
00:40:44,520 --> 00:40:46,359
Speaker 1: when you're winning eleven games and going to the college

742
00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:50,240
Speaker 1: football Playoff. You can pull that off when you're kicking

743
00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:54,640
Speaker 1: ass and taking names, when you're winning seven games and

744
00:40:54,680 --> 00:40:59,040
Speaker 1: your team's unwatchable. And you're not only not from that area,

745
00:40:59,120 --> 00:41:01,640
Speaker 1: but you're from a law long way away where people

746
00:41:01,680 --> 00:41:06,239
Speaker 1: talk differently, they vote differently, and overall, they just think

747
00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:09,919
Speaker 1: about life differently. They're going to turn on you, and

748
00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:14,480
Speaker 1: they turned on him immediately, and most people had already

749
00:41:14,520 --> 00:41:19,439
Speaker 1: turned on him. But that switch gets flipped so much

750
00:41:19,480 --> 00:41:23,000
Speaker 1: faster when people don't like you. And last, but not least,

751
00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:27,560
Speaker 1: I meant to talk about this last night, but you know,

752
00:41:29,160 --> 00:41:31,680
Speaker 1: about three or four days ago, my wife shows me

753
00:41:31,719 --> 00:41:33,120
Speaker 1: your phone. She's like, do you see this about the

754
00:41:33,120 --> 00:41:35,200
Speaker 1: guy in the Jets. I'm like what. He needs a

755
00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:38,680
Speaker 1: kidney transplant. I'm like, who what? And then I read

756
00:41:38,680 --> 00:41:41,080
Speaker 1: it and Nick man Goold basically gave out this play.

757
00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:44,400
Speaker 1: Maybe it was last week that he had this kidney disease.

758
00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:46,799
Speaker 1: Since I think it was going on close to twenty years,

759
00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:48,359
Speaker 1: they had known about it, but it had gotten really

760
00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:53,799
Speaker 1: bad and he needed a transplant. And obviously, then the

761
00:41:53,840 --> 00:41:56,840
Speaker 1: news broke over the weekend that he had died. And

762
00:41:56,880 --> 00:41:59,839
Speaker 1: I think, as you get older, you know, I've lost

763
00:41:59,840 --> 00:42:03,200
Speaker 1: a parent, I've lost people that I went to high

764
00:42:03,200 --> 00:42:05,640
Speaker 1: school with or grew up with. You know, as you age,

765
00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:09,120
Speaker 1: just you experience life, but it never gets easier. And

766
00:42:09,200 --> 00:42:12,680
Speaker 1: I've never met Nick man Gould, but I think one

767
00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:17,400
Speaker 1: enduring fact of the sport of football is that offensive

768
00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:22,960
Speaker 1: lineman there is a relatability to that position, especially to

769
00:42:23,080 --> 00:42:29,680
Speaker 1: certain individuals in that group, that is just undeniable. And

770
00:42:30,239 --> 00:42:34,600
Speaker 1: there was like this he almost felt like a television

771
00:42:34,640 --> 00:42:38,040
Speaker 1: character with the big beard and just the big smile.

772
00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:42,839
Speaker 1: But wikipedia, I mean, he went to the Pro Bowl

773
00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:46,440
Speaker 1: every year. He was a multiple time All Pro. Like

774
00:42:46,680 --> 00:42:49,320
Speaker 1: he was an ass kicking team captain for a team

775
00:42:49,360 --> 00:42:51,560
Speaker 1: that for a couple of years was one of the

776
00:42:51,560 --> 00:42:55,200
Speaker 1: best teams in the league. And he was obviously the

777
00:42:55,239 --> 00:42:57,560
Speaker 1: anchor of that team because it sure wasn't the quarterback.

778
00:42:58,600 --> 00:43:02,000
Speaker 1: And you see guys, as you get older, you know,

779
00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:04,480
Speaker 1: you start especially for me, I'm about to have a child.

780
00:43:04,719 --> 00:43:09,200
Speaker 1: You see nineteen eighty four Dash twenty twenty five, and

781
00:43:09,239 --> 00:43:12,080
Speaker 1: you go, God, I was born in nineteen eighty four too,

782
00:43:12,200 --> 00:43:16,200
Speaker 1: And it really humanizes just a situation of like this

783
00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:20,799
Speaker 1: guy that had the world by the balls, this All American,

784
00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:25,040
Speaker 1: former first round pick, I don't know, potential Hall of

785
00:43:25,040 --> 00:43:30,480
Speaker 1: Famer who was universally loved from Ohio State to the

786
00:43:30,600 --> 00:43:35,279
Speaker 1: NFL to every single person that I have seen that

787
00:43:35,360 --> 00:43:40,600
Speaker 1: played with Nick Van Goold was in tears and you

788
00:43:40,640 --> 00:43:43,880
Speaker 1: just see this guy. He had four children who I

789
00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:47,040
Speaker 1: haven't googled their ages, but I would imagine they're relatively young.

790
00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:52,479
Speaker 1: And it just rips at your heart that I said

791
00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:54,880
Speaker 1: this when I got involved in the NFL. And I

792
00:43:54,880 --> 00:43:56,960
Speaker 1: remember when I was in college in like the mid

793
00:43:56,960 --> 00:43:59,000
Speaker 1: two thousands, a lot of guys were getting in trouble,

794
00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:02,680
Speaker 1: right or at least it felt like that. And that

795
00:44:02,800 --> 00:44:06,440
Speaker 1: was when Roger Goodell kind of took over, like the judge,

796
00:44:06,480 --> 00:44:11,840
Speaker 1: jury and executioner. He started suspending guys and he became

797
00:44:12,200 --> 00:44:15,560
Speaker 1: like the hammer. And I remember working in the NFL.

798
00:44:15,560 --> 00:44:17,799
Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't think that, And I remember going

799
00:44:17,800 --> 00:44:19,560
Speaker 1: to the combines, like I think most of these guys

800
00:44:19,560 --> 00:44:22,400
Speaker 1: are pretty good guys. I think most of these individuals,

801
00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:25,680
Speaker 1: if they weren't playing football, would be high level, contributing

802
00:44:25,719 --> 00:44:29,680
Speaker 1: members of society. And the amount of guys in this

803
00:44:30,080 --> 00:44:34,560
Speaker 1: upper percentage, there's a small percentage of America that is

804
00:44:34,560 --> 00:44:37,560
Speaker 1: able to do this, and a tiny tiny percentage of

805
00:44:37,600 --> 00:44:40,400
Speaker 1: them are knuckleheads and idiots. Most of them are like

806
00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:43,480
Speaker 1: pretty trustworthy, high level guys, and then the super high

807
00:44:43,560 --> 00:44:46,040
Speaker 1: level guys of that group were like, this guy could

808
00:44:46,040 --> 00:44:48,600
Speaker 1: probably run a bank, and then this guy, thank god,

809
00:44:48,600 --> 00:44:50,840
Speaker 1: this guy is not a podcaster, because I probably wouldn't

810
00:44:50,840 --> 00:44:53,360
Speaker 1: have a job. And that's kind of what it felt

811
00:44:53,360 --> 00:44:57,200
Speaker 1: like for Nick Mann Gould and there was obviously, you know,

812
00:44:57,280 --> 00:45:00,040
Speaker 1: Rex had a pretty good couple of minutes on t

813
00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:03,879
Speaker 1: the other day. I think any offensive lineman, the number

814
00:45:03,880 --> 00:45:06,200
Speaker 1: one thing they want to be known for is toughness.

815
00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:10,520
Speaker 1: And that feels like a defining attribute for a guy

816
00:45:10,560 --> 00:45:14,600
Speaker 1: that you don't become a seven time Pro bowler, and

817
00:45:14,640 --> 00:45:16,960
Speaker 1: this is before the Pro Bowl became fake, like when

818
00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:20,160
Speaker 1: guys went and multiple time All Pro at center and

819
00:45:20,200 --> 00:45:21,799
Speaker 1: not be one of the toughest guys in the league.

820
00:45:22,560 --> 00:45:24,960
Speaker 1: But it also shows you and this humanizes that I

821
00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:29,680
Speaker 1: think we all can relate to. If Nick Mann Golden's

822
00:45:29,719 --> 00:45:32,960
Speaker 1: prime was in a bar fight, like, there wouldn't be

823
00:45:33,040 --> 00:45:36,879
Speaker 1: that many people that he would have trouble with. Yet

824
00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:41,120
Speaker 1: in life, when something goes wrong inside of you, it

825
00:45:41,120 --> 00:45:43,680
Speaker 1: doesn't matter how tough or how big, or how strong

826
00:45:43,880 --> 00:45:48,080
Speaker 1: or how many Pro Bowls you made. You're in trouble

827
00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:51,880
Speaker 1: and it just sucks. And I don't really know what

828
00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:55,160
Speaker 1: else to say. Beside, I just think you saw the

829
00:45:55,239 --> 00:46:00,319
Speaker 1: NFL community was pretty rocked by losing Nick Man Gold

830
00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:04,480
Speaker 1: at forty one years old, just a pretty legendary figure

831
00:46:04,480 --> 00:46:19,640
Speaker 1: of his era. Let's do a little thing we like

832
00:46:19,680 --> 00:46:21,480
Speaker 1: to call the middle Cooff mail back. Now, you guys

833
00:46:21,480 --> 00:46:23,239
Speaker 1: are obviously watching this to day after the game, so

834
00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:25,680
Speaker 1: I don't know the results if there are questions come

835
00:46:25,760 --> 00:46:29,239
Speaker 1: up regarding that. But at John Middlecoff, At John Middlecoff,

836
00:46:29,719 --> 00:46:31,839
Speaker 1: I checked my dms that probably look like a hot

837
00:46:31,880 --> 00:46:35,640
Speaker 1: babe on ig loaded with dudes, except they're just asking

838
00:46:35,680 --> 00:46:39,120
Speaker 1: me football questions occasionally live questions, sometimes about where to

839
00:46:39,120 --> 00:46:42,000
Speaker 1: play golf in Scottsdale. And one of you guys actually

840
00:46:42,040 --> 00:46:45,520
Speaker 1: hit me up with some gluten free recommendations. So it's, ah,

841
00:46:45,880 --> 00:46:48,480
Speaker 1: we're tempting to make the lifestyle change. We'll see if

842
00:46:48,480 --> 00:46:51,160
Speaker 1: I'm able to pull it off. But uh, here's the

843
00:46:51,200 --> 00:46:55,080
Speaker 1: thing at John Middlecoff is the middle Cooff Mailbag. Monday

844
00:46:55,080 --> 00:46:59,320
Speaker 1: Middlecoff mailback fire. In those dms, get your questions answered

845
00:46:59,360 --> 00:47:02,080
Speaker 1: on the show obviously it comes out on Tuesday. What

846
00:47:02,120 --> 00:47:06,319
Speaker 1: are your thoughts on the Eagles hopes? Specifically, KP think

847
00:47:06,360 --> 00:47:10,560
Speaker 1: he's alluding to Kevin Patola after the win yesterday. I

848
00:47:10,560 --> 00:47:13,160
Speaker 1: think the Eagles the last couple weeks twenty eight points

849
00:47:13,160 --> 00:47:17,680
Speaker 1: against the Vikings. Obviously, Jalen had a big breakout yesterday,

850
00:47:17,719 --> 00:47:20,840
Speaker 1: thirty eight points. Someone had forwarded me the stats on

851
00:47:20,920 --> 00:47:23,919
Speaker 1: Jalen Hurts. I don't think most people right now would

852
00:47:23,960 --> 00:47:26,560
Speaker 1: be like, what's Jalen done this year? He'd be like, ah,

853
00:47:26,760 --> 00:47:31,160
Speaker 1: not that great looking. It's fifteen touchdowns in one interception.

854
00:47:31,520 --> 00:47:36,480
Speaker 1: Then if you factor in his rushing touchdowns, he has five,

855
00:47:37,200 --> 00:47:41,480
Speaker 1: So he has twenty twenty touchdowns this year only halfway

856
00:47:41,480 --> 00:47:44,239
Speaker 1: through the season. I mean, if you go sixteen to

857
00:47:44,280 --> 00:47:47,600
Speaker 1: seventy games and you produce forty touchdowns and only one

858
00:47:47,719 --> 00:47:50,720
Speaker 1: or two picks, he's got to throw some more picks.

859
00:47:50,719 --> 00:47:53,440
Speaker 1: But if he only throws five and he goes a

860
00:47:53,520 --> 00:47:58,400
Speaker 1: forty to touchdown, forty touchdowns to five interceptions passing and running,

861
00:47:58,600 --> 00:48:01,960
Speaker 1: that's pretty remarkable part if it's a touchbush. But even

862
00:48:02,000 --> 00:48:04,680
Speaker 1: if the touch bush didn't exist, he'd be a good,

863
00:48:04,920 --> 00:48:07,440
Speaker 1: you know, short yardage quarterback, and he's a threat to run.

864
00:48:07,920 --> 00:48:09,800
Speaker 1: So it's weird. I think it felt like he was

865
00:48:09,880 --> 00:48:13,319
Speaker 1: having a weird season, not that bad. I do think

866
00:48:13,360 --> 00:48:15,120
Speaker 1: for the Eagles the moment of truth is these next

867
00:48:15,160 --> 00:48:18,239
Speaker 1: couple of weeks. Right, technically they are not the number

868
00:48:18,280 --> 00:48:22,840
Speaker 1: one seed because the Packers tied that game against the Cowboys. Right,

869
00:48:22,920 --> 00:48:26,880
Speaker 1: so if the Cowboys, you know, I don't think the Eagles.

870
00:48:26,920 --> 00:48:28,520
Speaker 1: The Eagles would have liked the Cowboys to pull that

871
00:48:28,560 --> 00:48:31,120
Speaker 1: thing off. But regardless, they play the Packers in a week.

872
00:48:32,239 --> 00:48:34,279
Speaker 1: I think it looks like on Monday Night Football. So

873
00:48:34,280 --> 00:48:36,319
Speaker 1: the Eagles are on a buy and then they get

874
00:48:36,360 --> 00:48:39,560
Speaker 1: Monday Night Football and then they get Sunday Night football

875
00:48:39,960 --> 00:48:42,560
Speaker 1: against the Lions. So they got to go to Lambeau

876
00:48:42,920 --> 00:48:45,400
Speaker 1: and then they play the Lions at home. So I

877
00:48:45,440 --> 00:48:48,480
Speaker 1: think we're gonna learn a lot about them in terms

878
00:48:48,560 --> 00:48:51,120
Speaker 1: of is this the number one seed or is this

879
00:48:51,280 --> 00:48:53,839
Speaker 1: like the three seed. If they get the number one seed,

880
00:48:53,880 --> 00:48:56,320
Speaker 1: they're gonna be very difficult to beat, right. If you

881
00:48:56,400 --> 00:48:58,839
Speaker 1: got to play that extra game, it's like the college

882
00:48:58,880 --> 00:49:02,080
Speaker 1: football playoffs, you have a massive advantage. I know Ohio

883
00:49:02,160 --> 00:49:04,279
Speaker 1: State won the championship last year, but you don't have

884
00:49:04,280 --> 00:49:06,200
Speaker 1: to play the first game, and then you get a

885
00:49:06,200 --> 00:49:09,239
Speaker 1: second game. You get to rest your guys. It's a

886
00:49:09,239 --> 00:49:12,239
Speaker 1: big deal. So I guess ironically as the teams in

887
00:49:12,239 --> 00:49:14,759
Speaker 1: the playoff last year. Maybe that's a bad thing to

888
00:49:14,840 --> 00:49:17,560
Speaker 1: use as example because neither of them got a home

889
00:49:17,600 --> 00:49:20,240
Speaker 1: field buy. But I think we'd all choose a bye.

890
00:49:20,520 --> 00:49:23,520
Speaker 1: Every single coach, every single player at any level would go,

891
00:49:23,719 --> 00:49:25,359
Speaker 1: do you want to buy? In the playoffs? They would

892
00:49:25,360 --> 00:49:28,919
Speaker 1: say yes. So I do think that these next two

893
00:49:28,960 --> 00:49:31,960
Speaker 1: games are going to define the Eagles. I also think

894
00:49:32,000 --> 00:49:35,040
Speaker 1: that internally, like I know the way how he works.

895
00:49:35,960 --> 00:49:38,400
Speaker 1: He's got a brain that never stops, and they're always

896
00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:41,839
Speaker 1: throwing ideas and after you had now the Giants run

897
00:49:41,880 --> 00:49:45,719
Speaker 1: defense is pretty terrible, and they're playing backup corners. There's

898
00:49:45,719 --> 00:49:49,200
Speaker 1: no doubt they're having the conversation, could we win the

899
00:49:49,239 --> 00:49:53,719
Speaker 1: Super Bowl? Could we win the NFC? They're winning the

900
00:49:53,800 --> 00:49:56,440
Speaker 1: NFC East right. I don't care what the outcome was

901
00:49:56,480 --> 00:49:59,440
Speaker 1: Monday night, which I'd be stunned if Washington won. But

902
00:50:00,160 --> 00:50:03,600
Speaker 1: boys best are going eight eight and one. The Giants

903
00:50:03,680 --> 00:50:07,440
Speaker 1: are winning four or five games, commanders probably, I don't know.

904
00:50:07,480 --> 00:50:10,759
Speaker 1: Eight nine that's health related. It could be worse. So

905
00:50:10,880 --> 00:50:13,279
Speaker 1: the Eagles are cruising to this division. I think the

906
00:50:13,400 --> 00:50:15,640
Speaker 1: question mark is what do we need to beat the

907
00:50:15,680 --> 00:50:17,840
Speaker 1: Lions to beat the Packers to beat the Rams, to

908
00:50:17,840 --> 00:50:20,640
Speaker 1: beat Seattle, to beat Tampa Bay. Do we need AJ

909
00:50:20,760 --> 00:50:23,480
Speaker 1: Brown because can we trade them now? They're not gonna

910
00:50:23,480 --> 00:50:26,040
Speaker 1: give them away. And Jeffrey Loriy talked about this at

911
00:50:26,080 --> 00:50:28,400
Speaker 1: the owners meetings, which I respect because a lot of

912
00:50:28,440 --> 00:50:31,040
Speaker 1: owners like kind of beat around this push like, yeah,

913
00:50:31,080 --> 00:50:33,120
Speaker 1: we'll only do something it's best for the Philadelphia Eagles,

914
00:50:33,280 --> 00:50:35,440
Speaker 1: like they're not just getting they don't need to just

915
00:50:35,480 --> 00:50:38,120
Speaker 1: get rid of AJ. But the elephant in the room

916
00:50:38,200 --> 00:50:40,719
Speaker 1: is AJ and Jalen don't like each other. Brandon Graham

917
00:50:40,719 --> 00:50:42,440
Speaker 1: told us last year they can walk that back. We

918
00:50:42,719 --> 00:50:44,839
Speaker 1: know the truth and there's nothing wrong with that. We

919
00:50:44,920 --> 00:50:47,960
Speaker 1: all worked with people, or currently work with people. People

920
00:50:48,280 --> 00:50:51,440
Speaker 1: listening right now that you do not necessarily like for

921
00:50:51,480 --> 00:50:55,360
Speaker 1: whatever reason. Sometimes it's stupid, But I do believe that

922
00:50:56,800 --> 00:50:58,360
Speaker 1: they will entertain it. Now. It's got to be a

923
00:50:58,400 --> 00:51:01,400
Speaker 1: lot Like to me, the minimum would be like a

924
00:51:01,440 --> 00:51:03,839
Speaker 1: two and a three because it's like we'll just keep

925
00:51:03,880 --> 00:51:07,600
Speaker 1: them and do New England, you know, depending on where

926
00:51:07,600 --> 00:51:11,520
Speaker 1: they stand. Like, hey, Ag is under contract too, so

927
00:51:11,600 --> 00:51:16,880
Speaker 1: if you trade for him, you don't like, it's not

928
00:51:16,920 --> 00:51:20,279
Speaker 1: like a rental. This isn't like your trade deadline, he's leaving.

929
00:51:20,480 --> 00:51:24,960
Speaker 1: I'm trying to pull up his contract here. Yeah, I

930
00:51:24,960 --> 00:51:27,000
Speaker 1: mean he's not a free agent for years, so you

931
00:51:27,080 --> 00:51:30,479
Speaker 1: basically you got control of him for a while. Could

932
00:51:30,480 --> 00:51:32,839
Speaker 1: you get two twos for him? Would New England do that?

933
00:51:32,960 --> 00:51:35,080
Speaker 1: Is that too short sighted when they still get a

934
00:51:35,120 --> 00:51:37,320
Speaker 1: long way to go? Or they're like, hell, we're equipped

935
00:51:37,320 --> 00:51:40,360
Speaker 1: to win now. Question for the back both the NFC

936
00:51:40,480 --> 00:51:42,920
Speaker 1: West and the NFC North could potentially have three teams

937
00:51:42,920 --> 00:51:46,120
Speaker 1: in the playoffs, which you think is more likely or

938
00:51:46,160 --> 00:51:47,920
Speaker 1: do you think they might have to cancel each other

939
00:51:47,960 --> 00:51:51,799
Speaker 1: out as they play each other in the division. Well,

940
00:51:51,840 --> 00:51:53,920
Speaker 1: I don't think the NFC North is getting three teams in.

941
00:51:54,520 --> 00:51:56,760
Speaker 1: I think the Packers and the Lions or playoff teams.

942
00:51:56,800 --> 00:52:00,919
Speaker 1: I think Minnesota's and Shambles. Carson went I just saw

943
00:52:00,920 --> 00:52:03,879
Speaker 1: and the Ticker is out for the season. I mean

944
00:52:03,920 --> 00:52:06,320
Speaker 1: it felt like he almost died on Thursday night. Like, seriously,

945
00:52:06,640 --> 00:52:08,960
Speaker 1: I have a lot of respect for him. He was

946
00:52:09,040 --> 00:52:12,160
Speaker 1: getting the crap kicked out of him and clearly has

947
00:52:12,200 --> 00:52:14,480
Speaker 1: his shoulder worked on now and he's out for the year.

948
00:52:15,040 --> 00:52:17,680
Speaker 1: You know, it's like, Okay, JJ, you're up, buddy. There's

949
00:52:17,680 --> 00:52:21,359
Speaker 1: no backstop here. There's no you can just disappear and

950
00:52:21,480 --> 00:52:25,000
Speaker 1: your team's banged up, like god speed, I don't think

951
00:52:25,040 --> 00:52:26,560
Speaker 1: it's gonna go well. And at the end of the day,

952
00:52:26,600 --> 00:52:28,799
Speaker 1: the Bears, like their quarterback play just isn't good enough.

953
00:52:29,120 --> 00:52:32,360
Speaker 1: It's just that simple, and like they're gonna be competitive.

954
00:52:32,400 --> 00:52:33,520
Speaker 1: Like if I had to bet right now, I think

955
00:52:33,520 --> 00:52:36,719
Speaker 1: Minnesota finishes last in that division. I think Minnesota's gonna

956
00:52:36,760 --> 00:52:39,200
Speaker 1: lose a lot because it's hard to win with bad

957
00:52:39,239 --> 00:52:42,480
Speaker 1: quarterback play. Like Caleb is up and down, but he's

958
00:52:42,480 --> 00:52:45,719
Speaker 1: still better than JJ McCarthy, So I think it would

959
00:52:45,760 --> 00:52:50,160
Speaker 1: be If it's anything, it's the NFC West. But like

960
00:52:50,239 --> 00:52:53,080
Speaker 1: I think the Niners are taking on so many injuries,

961
00:52:53,840 --> 00:52:56,759
Speaker 1: Like their best case is probably nine to eight. Now

962
00:52:56,760 --> 00:52:58,719
Speaker 1: they are five and three, which means they have nine

963
00:52:58,719 --> 00:53:01,600
Speaker 1: games left. If they go four and five, they're nine

964
00:53:01,600 --> 00:53:03,080
Speaker 1: to eight, and I think they would probably be the

965
00:53:03,120 --> 00:53:08,040
Speaker 1: seventh seed. After seeing Miles Garrett annihilate the Giants O

966
00:53:08,200 --> 00:53:12,680
Speaker 1: line and still losing by nineteen points, You mean the

967
00:53:12,800 --> 00:53:14,920
Speaker 1: I think you mean the Patriots. I was thinking how

968
00:53:14,960 --> 00:53:19,319
Speaker 1: bad and how dysfunctional and how disorganized the NFL franchise

969
00:53:19,440 --> 00:53:22,399
Speaker 1: can be for this long in the last thirty five years,

970
00:53:22,440 --> 00:53:25,960
Speaker 1: they had four winning seasons. Will this franchise ever be fixed?

971
00:53:26,680 --> 00:53:30,640
Speaker 1: What I don't understand is, and I'm not in the

972
00:53:30,680 --> 00:53:34,560
Speaker 1: business of trading talents like Miles Garrett, But when you've

973
00:53:34,600 --> 00:53:38,600
Speaker 1: had him for years, for years, and you haven't won anything,

974
00:53:39,160 --> 00:53:41,520
Speaker 1: and then he's over thirty years old, he goes, guys,

975
00:53:41,960 --> 00:53:45,600
Speaker 1: I want to trade. He says that this are out

976
00:53:46,000 --> 00:53:48,760
Speaker 1: and he's still so good that you could have traded him.

977
00:53:50,360 --> 00:53:52,680
Speaker 1: I think pre draft you could have gotten two ones

978
00:53:52,719 --> 00:53:56,319
Speaker 1: and two twos for a guy that is I mean,

979
00:53:56,360 --> 00:53:58,840
Speaker 1: whoever would have given him a contract would basically be

980
00:53:58,960 --> 00:54:06,800
Speaker 1: playing for thirty one to thirty five. So Miles Garrett

981
00:54:07,040 --> 00:54:10,719
Speaker 1: is twenty. He turns thirty in December, So you could

982
00:54:10,760 --> 00:54:15,560
Speaker 1: have traded a guy that twenty nine to thirty four. Right,

983
00:54:15,640 --> 00:54:17,480
Speaker 1: you've gotten the best years out of him. He's still

984
00:54:17,480 --> 00:54:21,920
Speaker 1: an elite player. But like you bought, you didn't buy

985
00:54:21,960 --> 00:54:24,360
Speaker 1: low because you're afting them high. But you've gotten the

986
00:54:24,400 --> 00:54:26,319
Speaker 1: best version of him, and you can still trade him

987
00:54:26,360 --> 00:54:29,040
Speaker 1: for a lot, Like there's nothing better in the world

988
00:54:29,120 --> 00:54:32,120
Speaker 1: of assets. You get a premium, you get to use

989
00:54:32,120 --> 00:54:34,200
Speaker 1: that premium for a long time, and then when you

990
00:54:34,280 --> 00:54:38,400
Speaker 1: choose to sell that premium it is. You know the

991
00:54:38,760 --> 00:54:43,080
Speaker 1: value of it has increased, right, you want an increasing asset.

992
00:54:43,120 --> 00:54:45,640
Speaker 1: That's what Miles Garrett was and he told you trade me,

993
00:54:45,920 --> 00:54:49,120
Speaker 1: and they said no, and they extended him, Like what's

994
00:54:49,160 --> 00:54:51,520
Speaker 1: the point of having him make all these plays and

995
00:54:51,640 --> 00:54:54,200
Speaker 1: look sweet and have twenty five sacks on a team

996
00:54:54,200 --> 00:54:57,880
Speaker 1: that's gonna win four games? It makes no sense. Now,

997
00:54:58,080 --> 00:55:01,200
Speaker 1: I do believe because if you watch their GM, who

998
00:55:01,280 --> 00:55:03,839
Speaker 1: treats everyone like widgets, there's no way they didn't want

999
00:55:03,840 --> 00:55:05,520
Speaker 1: to trade them and the owner wouldn't let them. So

1000
00:55:05,600 --> 00:55:10,040
Speaker 1: it all gets back to ownership because it makes no sense.

1001
00:55:10,320 --> 00:55:13,000
Speaker 1: They could have traded them with their eyes closed. They

1002
00:55:13,040 --> 00:55:15,520
Speaker 1: would add a bidding war between ten teams. All the

1003
00:55:15,520 --> 00:55:18,480
Speaker 1: good ones would have been really interested, from the Eagles

1004
00:55:18,520 --> 00:55:21,719
Speaker 1: to the Ravens, the Bills, the Lions, the Packers, they

1005
00:55:21,760 --> 00:55:24,160
Speaker 1: all would have been the Niners see out. The teams

1006
00:55:24,160 --> 00:55:27,759
Speaker 1: would been lined up. But they paid them and now

1007
00:55:27,800 --> 00:55:30,520
Speaker 1: they still suck. The whole thing's pointless. This is why

1008
00:55:30,880 --> 00:55:34,040
Speaker 1: I am so critical of the Browns is they get

1009
00:55:34,200 --> 00:55:37,120
Speaker 1: like so much credit because like God, they're GM. They're

1010
00:55:37,160 --> 00:55:40,439
Speaker 1: head coach, dynamic individuals like I watch their team, they're

1011
00:55:40,520 --> 00:55:41,560
Speaker 1: awful always.

1012
00:55:42,800 --> 00:55:46,520
Speaker 2: If normal football people, if the Jason Lights of the

1013
00:55:46,600 --> 00:55:50,719
Speaker 2: World or Spy Techs team just sucks forever, he will

1014
00:55:50,800 --> 00:55:55,040
Speaker 2: get just shit on at the highest level by everyone

1015
00:55:55,200 --> 00:55:55,800
Speaker 2: in the media.

1016
00:55:56,239 --> 00:55:58,440
Speaker 1: You're just like, ah, the Browns are just checking along.

1017
00:55:59,239 --> 00:56:01,080
Speaker 1: I don't know, man, Every time I look over and

1018
00:56:01,120 --> 00:56:04,600
Speaker 1: they're in a little four box, they're getting curb stomped.

1019
00:56:06,920 --> 00:56:09,600
Speaker 1: Make this a real simple question, how the hell does

1020
00:56:09,680 --> 00:56:15,040
Speaker 1: Zach Taylor still have a job? You know, it's a

1021
00:56:15,200 --> 00:56:20,680
Speaker 1: unique organization, and I would guess if when the dust settles,

1022
00:56:20,719 --> 00:56:24,000
Speaker 1: if they go seven and ten, six and eleven, something

1023
00:56:24,080 --> 00:56:28,040
Speaker 1: like that with the Flacco situation, and they're liable to

1024
00:56:28,120 --> 00:56:32,560
Speaker 1: lose any game because their defense stinks. You know, it

1025
00:56:32,680 --> 00:56:35,000
Speaker 1: was crazy. I wasn't really paying attention to that game

1026
00:56:35,520 --> 00:56:38,319
Speaker 1: because they were just in complete control the whole time.

1027
00:56:38,800 --> 00:56:40,840
Speaker 1: And then by the time I did look over and

1028
00:56:40,920 --> 00:56:42,719
Speaker 1: they're like going for two in the win, I'm like,

1029
00:56:42,800 --> 00:56:45,719
Speaker 1: what is going on? Which was a cool moment for

1030
00:56:46,120 --> 00:56:50,160
Speaker 1: Justin Fields. Yeah, I just think that you fire him,

1031
00:56:50,320 --> 00:56:54,680
Speaker 1: you're gonna get another Zach Taylor. Like, they're not hiring

1032
00:56:55,880 --> 00:57:01,120
Speaker 1: Steve Sarkisian, right, They're not hiring the Mike Vrabel or

1033
00:57:01,200 --> 00:57:04,440
Speaker 1: Ben Johnson. They were hiring a guy who they can

1034
00:57:04,560 --> 00:57:08,000
Speaker 1: get for cheap, and that does sometimes it works, you know.

1035
00:57:08,120 --> 00:57:09,759
Speaker 1: I mean, they had Marvin Lewis for a long time

1036
00:57:09,880 --> 00:57:12,160
Speaker 1: and he was pretty successful. Hell, Zach Taylor got you

1037
00:57:12,239 --> 00:57:17,280
Speaker 1: to Super Bowl. But I would say that it does

1038
00:57:17,360 --> 00:57:19,560
Speaker 1: seem pretty rare. I could be wrong. Did Marvin Lewis

1039
00:57:19,560 --> 00:57:22,919
Speaker 1: get fired in season? I don't remember. Marvin Lewis also

1040
00:57:22,960 --> 00:57:24,840
Speaker 1: did a really good job over the years of hiring

1041
00:57:24,960 --> 00:57:27,680
Speaker 1: coordinators right. For a long time. They had Mike Zimmers

1042
00:57:27,680 --> 00:57:30,960
Speaker 1: their defensive coordinator. Jay Gruden was their offensive coordinator. Hugh

1043
00:57:31,080 --> 00:57:33,840
Speaker 1: Jackson was a really good offensive coordinator for him. That's

1044
00:57:33,880 --> 00:57:35,840
Speaker 1: part of it. Like they had dynamic group a couple

1045
00:57:35,880 --> 00:57:38,880
Speaker 1: of years ago. Lou Ammer Runo, I'm watching him with

1046
00:57:38,960 --> 00:57:42,040
Speaker 1: the Colts, looks like pretty good. It's amazing how good

1047
00:57:42,080 --> 00:57:44,120
Speaker 1: a coordinator can look when his players a little bit better.

1048
00:57:45,360 --> 00:57:47,200
Speaker 1: I bet you look like a lot better coach coaching

1049
00:57:47,240 --> 00:57:51,480
Speaker 1: at Alabama or Georgia than you do Mississippi State. I'm

1050
00:57:51,640 --> 00:57:56,320
Speaker 1: sick of my Falcons. I have zero emotional attachment to

1051
00:57:56,520 --> 00:57:59,840
Speaker 1: this abortion of a franchise, but I still watch every

1052
00:58:00,000 --> 00:58:02,720
Speaker 1: week Sunday at one, and I find myself still rooting

1053
00:58:02,800 --> 00:58:06,480
Speaker 1: for them. We've all been there, brother, How does ownership

1054
00:58:06,640 --> 00:58:11,200
Speaker 1: keep screwing up every hire? Our GM is a joke

1055
00:58:11,280 --> 00:58:14,240
Speaker 1: and gets laughed at, and our coach would be better off.

1056
00:58:16,560 --> 00:58:21,120
Speaker 1: This is pretty descriptive shit talking. So just fire everybody,

1057
00:58:21,200 --> 00:58:23,960
Speaker 1: including the equipment guy. So dysfunctional it seems so obvious.

1058
00:58:24,080 --> 00:58:26,760
Speaker 1: My real question is this, how is it even possible

1059
00:58:26,840 --> 00:58:29,600
Speaker 1: to be as Jackal and Hyde as we are? I

1060
00:58:29,680 --> 00:58:31,680
Speaker 1: think anytime that you're really up and down, let's face it,

1061
00:58:31,760 --> 00:58:34,120
Speaker 1: like they do have some talent. It's a reflection of

1062
00:58:34,200 --> 00:58:39,640
Speaker 1: the operation. And you know, Arthur Blank, just like any owner,

1063
00:58:39,960 --> 00:58:42,200
Speaker 1: when they hire the right people, they look pretty good.

1064
00:58:42,720 --> 00:58:45,200
Speaker 1: When you hire the wrong people, you look pretty bad.

1065
00:58:46,000 --> 00:58:49,120
Speaker 1: And they try Like I listen, I thought Arthur Smith

1066
00:58:49,280 --> 00:58:51,840
Speaker 1: was a good hire. His problem was and I'm not

1067
00:58:51,880 --> 00:58:55,040
Speaker 1: even saying like Arthur's problem, but like that ten years

1068
00:58:55,080 --> 00:58:57,560
Speaker 1: problem is they couldn't find a quarterback once they got

1069
00:58:57,640 --> 00:59:00,400
Speaker 1: rid of Matt Ryan, And now it feels like they're

1070
00:59:00,480 --> 00:59:02,920
Speaker 1: kind of in that mold again. The difference is this

1071
00:59:03,120 --> 00:59:06,720
Speaker 1: time you're messing with the owner's money. You convinced me

1072
00:59:06,840 --> 00:59:10,360
Speaker 1: to give ninety million dollars to Kirk Cousins, which feels

1073
00:59:10,400 --> 00:59:13,640
Speaker 1: like a scam job. Don't blame Mike McCartney is agent

1074
00:59:13,800 --> 00:59:17,640
Speaker 1: or Kurt for getting that money. But looking back, like

1075
00:59:17,760 --> 00:59:22,440
Speaker 1: that was like his golden parachute because based off how

1076
00:59:22,520 --> 00:59:25,840
Speaker 1: he's looked this last year and then yesterday, he should

1077
00:59:25,840 --> 00:59:27,640
Speaker 1: have got like a one year, seven million dollar deal.

1078
00:59:28,000 --> 00:59:31,000
Speaker 1: So props to them for, you know, kind of rolling

1079
00:59:31,080 --> 00:59:33,680
Speaker 1: that into a stupid amount of cash. So it's like,

1080
00:59:33,760 --> 00:59:37,959
Speaker 1: you completely botched our investment into a quarterback that can't

1081
00:59:37,960 --> 00:59:40,840
Speaker 1: play while drafting a guy really high that I think

1082
00:59:40,920 --> 00:59:45,960
Speaker 1: the jury is out, and you hired the biggest coaching

1083
00:59:45,960 --> 00:59:49,400
Speaker 1: staff in the league. So it's like, I coaches don't

1084
00:59:49,400 --> 00:59:51,960
Speaker 1: make forty grand. So you know, your coordinators are all

1085
00:59:52,040 --> 00:59:55,040
Speaker 1: making millions. Your a line coach is probably making a million.

1086
00:59:55,400 --> 00:59:57,960
Speaker 1: Your wide receiver coach and linebacker coach, these guys are

1087
00:59:58,000 --> 01:00:00,720
Speaker 1: all making five to eight hundred k. It's a very

1088
01:00:00,880 --> 01:00:03,800
Speaker 1: Your coaching staffs are very expensive. It's like Jerry Jones

1089
01:00:03,800 --> 01:00:07,600
Speaker 1: said on an interview earlier this year, like I didn't

1090
01:00:07,600 --> 01:00:09,800
Speaker 1: want to get into coaching because I wanted some money.

1091
01:00:10,240 --> 01:00:12,680
Speaker 1: If I would have known what I'm paying coaches nowadays,

1092
01:00:12,880 --> 01:00:15,920
Speaker 1: I probably would have got into coaching, and I think

1093
01:00:16,000 --> 01:00:20,720
Speaker 1: these coaches it's an underrated scam in America. The amount

1094
01:00:20,760 --> 01:00:23,920
Speaker 1: of money. Obviously, the good ones worth their weight in gold, right,

1095
01:00:24,640 --> 01:00:26,960
Speaker 1: But there are a lot of assistants in this league

1096
01:00:27,520 --> 01:00:29,640
Speaker 1: that because they're buddies with the headman, he gets them

1097
01:00:29,640 --> 01:00:32,680
Speaker 1: a three year, seven hundred thousand dollars a year job.

1098
01:00:33,080 --> 01:00:35,440
Speaker 1: He couldn't coach his way out of a wet paper blanket.

1099
01:00:35,640 --> 01:00:38,600
Speaker 1: I mean, the amount of coaching frauds in college pays

1100
01:00:38,640 --> 01:00:41,800
Speaker 1: a premium too. No different, at least in college. If

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01:00:41,840 --> 01:00:44,000
Speaker 1: you're not a great coach, if you can recruit, you

1102
01:00:44,080 --> 01:00:46,240
Speaker 1: bring value. Like in the NFL, we don't need your

1103
01:00:46,280 --> 01:00:48,400
Speaker 1: recruit hell, I don't even care what your opinions are

1104
01:00:48,440 --> 01:00:50,200
Speaker 1: in the draft. I just need you to coach the

1105
01:00:50,240 --> 01:00:55,080
Speaker 1: players and ask players, especially players that have bounced around

1106
01:00:55,120 --> 01:00:58,680
Speaker 1: the league. There is a gigantic difference of the good

1107
01:00:58,720 --> 01:01:01,520
Speaker 1: ones and the bad ones. I mean a Grand Canyon

1108
01:01:01,640 --> 01:01:07,400
Speaker 1: wide gap. So I don't know, you guys sucks. I mean,

1109
01:01:07,400 --> 01:01:10,360
Speaker 1: that's why there's not a fix. You can fire everybody,

1110
01:01:11,000 --> 01:01:12,760
Speaker 1: but if they hire the wrong people, you're just gonna

1111
01:01:12,760 --> 01:01:16,600
Speaker 1: be back. At this point A again, I do think

1112
01:01:16,640 --> 01:01:18,840
Speaker 1: if they missed the playoffs again, which all signs point

1113
01:01:18,880 --> 01:01:21,760
Speaker 1: to them missing. Let's say they go seven to ten

1114
01:01:21,880 --> 01:01:26,120
Speaker 1: or eight nine. I don't see how the owner does

1115
01:01:26,480 --> 01:01:29,160
Speaker 1: just heads roll, I mean, kind of blow the whole

1116
01:01:29,200 --> 01:01:46,600
Speaker 1: thing up. I've historically defended the difficulty of being an

1117
01:01:46,720 --> 01:01:49,800
Speaker 1: NFL referee, but how bad does it have to get

1118
01:01:50,080 --> 01:01:52,400
Speaker 1: for the NFL to acknowledge it? And what do you

1119
01:01:52,480 --> 01:01:56,640
Speaker 1: think is a realistic response from the league. Would they

1120
01:01:56,720 --> 01:02:01,880
Speaker 1: address a specific penalty like making past interference reviewable or again,

1121
01:02:02,360 --> 01:02:05,400
Speaker 1: or do they make all the penalties challengeable In the past,

1122
01:02:05,520 --> 01:02:08,160
Speaker 1: I would never have expected them to make penalties reviewable,

1123
01:02:08,480 --> 01:02:11,400
Speaker 1: but it might help curb any allegations of fixing games.

1124
01:02:12,760 --> 01:02:15,800
Speaker 1: That seems like something Goodell would want to get ahead of.

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01:02:17,160 --> 01:02:19,760
Speaker 1: This is a sad part. And I've been gambling on

1126
01:02:19,840 --> 01:02:24,520
Speaker 1: football for twenty plus years now, and I stopped gambling

1127
01:02:24,560 --> 01:02:28,880
Speaker 1: on basketball a long time ago. Just listen. I'm not

1128
01:02:29,000 --> 01:02:31,360
Speaker 1: acting like I foresaw this coming, but it's just like

1129
01:02:31,480 --> 01:02:35,680
Speaker 1: this is I don't even this sucks. I do think

1130
01:02:35,720 --> 01:02:39,320
Speaker 1: this the NFL doesn't really care. As long as people

1131
01:02:39,360 --> 01:02:42,560
Speaker 1: are watching and interested in gambling on it and playing fantasy,

1132
01:02:44,240 --> 01:02:45,920
Speaker 1: they are not going to go above and beyond and

1133
01:02:46,040 --> 01:02:48,959
Speaker 1: do anything different than they have done. Now, if something

1134
01:02:49,040 --> 01:02:52,640
Speaker 1: dramatically changes, then they will pivot. They are not going

1135
01:02:52,720 --> 01:02:54,919
Speaker 1: to be proactive on this one would be by guess,

1136
01:02:55,840 --> 01:03:00,880
Speaker 1: I'd be stunned if we see some dramatic shit with

1137
01:03:01,000 --> 01:03:06,040
Speaker 1: the officials for whether it's transparency, whether it's beside basic

1138
01:03:06,120 --> 01:03:10,640
Speaker 1: tweaks of reviewing, which they discuss every single year. But

1139
01:03:10,800 --> 01:03:13,200
Speaker 1: if you think Roger cares that, you and me are

1140
01:03:13,280 --> 01:03:16,440
Speaker 1: mad when we watch six hours of football at the

1141
01:03:16,480 --> 01:03:20,280
Speaker 1: officiating blunders. I mean, last night, Aaron Rodgers gets them

1142
01:03:20,320 --> 01:03:23,840
Speaker 1: to jump No one. My wife's looking at me. She's like,

1143
01:03:23,880 --> 01:03:25,760
Speaker 1: I don't understand what's going on. I'm like, well, Mario.

1144
01:03:26,880 --> 01:03:32,320
Speaker 1: One of Aaron Rodgers' great superpowers is when you jump

1145
01:03:32,400 --> 01:03:35,400
Speaker 1: off side as a defensive lineman or a linebacker, whatever,

1146
01:03:35,400 --> 01:03:38,480
Speaker 1: it's someone on the line of scrimmage. He immediately snaps it.

1147
01:03:38,680 --> 01:03:41,560
Speaker 1: And then he historically has hit a bunch of big plays.

1148
01:03:42,040 --> 01:03:44,360
Speaker 1: It's like it's like one of it's gonna be written

1149
01:03:44,400 --> 01:03:46,920
Speaker 1: about in his football bio one day when he's in

1150
01:03:46,960 --> 01:03:48,919
Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame. It's like, no one has ever

1151
01:03:49,480 --> 01:03:53,360
Speaker 1: been better at getting free place than Aaron Rodgers, so

1152
01:03:53,480 --> 01:03:55,600
Speaker 1: he knows it and he was right, and they just

1153
01:03:55,640 --> 01:03:58,880
Speaker 1: didn't call it. And listen, I don't think Pittsburgh wins

1154
01:03:58,920 --> 01:04:00,840
Speaker 1: the game whether they call that or not. But it's

1155
01:04:00,920 --> 01:04:04,360
Speaker 1: like that can't be missed, And I think Roger would

1156
01:04:04,360 --> 01:04:06,600
Speaker 1: tell you, oh yeah, I can. It was missed and

1157
01:04:06,720 --> 01:04:08,680
Speaker 1: twenty million people watch. At the end of the day,

1158
01:04:08,920 --> 01:04:11,160
Speaker 1: who cares? And I think that would be his response.

1159
01:04:11,600 --> 01:04:13,760
Speaker 1: I don't care. You might care if you had money

1160
01:04:13,760 --> 01:04:17,640
Speaker 1: on the Steelers. Steelers fans care, Packer fans don't, and

1161
01:04:17,760 --> 01:04:20,640
Speaker 1: the average guy hasn't thought about it since the moment

1162
01:04:20,680 --> 01:04:22,640
Speaker 1: happened in the game last night for ten minutes and

1163
01:04:22,680 --> 01:04:24,800
Speaker 1: then he moved on with his life. It's probably true.

1164
01:04:25,280 --> 01:04:29,120
Speaker 1: This is from Austin. Your podcast is awesome. From Detroit here.

1165
01:04:29,240 --> 01:04:31,160
Speaker 1: So my Lions had a bye week today, so I'm

1166
01:04:31,200 --> 01:04:34,080
Speaker 1: watching games around the league. That's a good feeling. You know.

1167
01:04:34,120 --> 01:04:38,200
Speaker 1: It sucks. You realize if you're a big football fan,

1168
01:04:38,320 --> 01:04:40,880
Speaker 1: right and you had a squad, which most people do,

1169
01:04:41,400 --> 01:04:43,400
Speaker 1: you look forward to Sunday to watch your team and

1170
01:04:43,440 --> 01:04:45,320
Speaker 1: then you watch what else is going on around the league.

1171
01:04:45,680 --> 01:04:48,040
Speaker 1: There is a missing component. When your team is on

1172
01:04:48,120 --> 01:04:51,520
Speaker 1: a buy You're like am I on football vacation here?

1173
01:04:51,600 --> 01:04:53,800
Speaker 1: Do I need to do some advanced scouting of our

1174
01:04:53,840 --> 01:04:56,080
Speaker 1: future opponents? Do I need to kind of get some

1175
01:04:56,560 --> 01:04:59,000
Speaker 1: takes ready for as I'm watching these games. It's a

1176
01:04:59,120 --> 01:05:01,160
Speaker 1: unique feeling, but also a good one, especially if your

1177
01:05:01,200 --> 01:05:05,600
Speaker 1: Lions fan, because you need the help. I'm watching games

1178
01:05:05,640 --> 01:05:07,560
Speaker 1: around the league, and my question for you this week

1179
01:05:07,640 --> 01:05:10,160
Speaker 1: is about the Falcons. They're a roller coaster. Do you

1180
01:05:10,240 --> 01:05:12,520
Speaker 1: think after this year they will let Raheem go or

1181
01:05:12,640 --> 01:05:14,520
Speaker 1: is it more of a GM problem? They pay her

1182
01:05:14,560 --> 01:05:16,919
Speaker 1: Cousins twenty six million to be the backup. They lost

1183
01:05:16,960 --> 01:05:21,560
Speaker 1: to Miami by twenty four points and Carolina by thirty. Yeah,

1184
01:05:21,600 --> 01:05:23,640
Speaker 1: I mean, I think they're all in trouble. I mean,

1185
01:05:23,680 --> 01:05:30,000
Speaker 1: I think the GM that situation was not good. I mean,

1186
01:05:30,600 --> 01:05:35,920
Speaker 1: the Cousins thing has lasting impacts because that's an enormous contract.

1187
01:05:36,360 --> 01:05:40,280
Speaker 1: How many guys in the league, I'm talking non quarterbacks

1188
01:05:40,720 --> 01:05:43,720
Speaker 1: have signed for more than ninety million dollars guaranteed. It's

1189
01:05:43,720 --> 01:05:49,000
Speaker 1: a pretty short list, right, It's like Bosa Parsons, TJ. Watt.

1190
01:05:49,080 --> 01:05:51,520
Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's a short list of the elites.

1191
01:05:52,240 --> 01:05:55,479
Speaker 1: Justin Jefferson, right, is the best players in the league

1192
01:05:56,000 --> 01:05:59,600
Speaker 1: are a little bit more around what Cousins got. So

1193
01:06:00,160 --> 01:06:02,680
Speaker 1: you paid this much for a quarterback who just can't play,

1194
01:06:03,480 --> 01:06:05,320
Speaker 1: and it's because he's old. I mean, I'm not acting

1195
01:06:05,360 --> 01:06:08,800
Speaker 1: like Cousins wasn't a good player, flawed, good player, I mean,

1196
01:06:08,880 --> 01:06:13,000
Speaker 1: had some physical limitations. But the guy we're seeing now

1197
01:06:13,120 --> 01:06:16,640
Speaker 1: is an old, washed guy which sports. It happens like

1198
01:06:17,160 --> 01:06:21,600
Speaker 1: your physical limitations and major injury, like like what Rogers.

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Speaker 1: The difference between Rogers and Cousins is Rogers is a

1200
01:06:24,560 --> 01:06:26,880
Speaker 1: much better arm and he can throw the ball at

1201
01:06:26,920 --> 01:06:30,920
Speaker 1: a bunch of different angles to generate power. Cousins is

1202
01:06:31,040 --> 01:06:34,320
Speaker 1: a much more prototypical pocket guy, feet after to be

1203
01:06:34,400 --> 01:06:38,440
Speaker 1: set in. His arms, definitely stronger than it was ten

1204
01:06:38,520 --> 01:06:40,520
Speaker 1: years ago. But he'd by no means has a pose,

1205
01:06:41,600 --> 01:06:44,400
Speaker 1: and he has no athleticism like Rogers doesn't have much.

1206
01:06:44,520 --> 01:06:46,680
Speaker 1: He can still move around a little bit. And I'm

1207
01:06:46,680 --> 01:06:48,760
Speaker 1: watching Cousins, it just feels like if he was in

1208
01:06:48,840 --> 01:06:51,440
Speaker 1: his peak, you know, seven and a half eight out

1209
01:06:51,440 --> 01:06:53,480
Speaker 1: of ten, like a really good player guy you could

1210
01:06:53,520 --> 01:06:55,720
Speaker 1: win double digy games with the version of him now

1211
01:06:55,880 --> 01:06:57,960
Speaker 1: is I got three? I mean, he's just he's a

1212
01:06:58,040 --> 01:07:00,960
Speaker 1: major liability. I think it the end of this season, Like,

1213
01:07:01,080 --> 01:07:03,560
Speaker 1: I think his career is over. So yeah, I mean,

1214
01:07:03,760 --> 01:07:06,200
Speaker 1: I think that's that's the type contract it gets you fired.

1215
01:07:06,880 --> 01:07:09,640
Speaker 1: Question for the mailbag. This might be a little niche,

1216
01:07:10,240 --> 01:07:13,240
Speaker 1: but can you weigh in on the Pablo Tory takedown

1217
01:07:13,440 --> 01:07:17,400
Speaker 1: of Michael Lombardi. I've always enjoyed Mike is a media personality,

1218
01:07:17,440 --> 01:07:21,880
Speaker 1: but level to which Pablo went to embarrass him, plus

1219
01:07:22,000 --> 01:07:25,480
Speaker 1: the enduring dancing on his grave from others was pretty interesting.

1220
01:07:25,960 --> 01:07:30,240
Speaker 1: What's the opinion on the guy in NFL Circles? I

1221
01:07:30,400 --> 01:07:35,160
Speaker 1: always really enjoyed Lombardi on the podcast. He's my style

1222
01:07:35,520 --> 01:07:40,520
Speaker 1: of entertainer. He just lets it fly. Whether some of

1223
01:07:40,600 --> 01:07:43,320
Speaker 1: those are personal vandettas or not, I don't really care.

1224
01:07:43,840 --> 01:07:46,520
Speaker 1: Like I listened to him for entertainment value, and he

1225
01:07:46,680 --> 01:07:50,360
Speaker 1: was good. I always thought this I would imagine because

1226
01:07:50,360 --> 01:07:53,240
Speaker 1: I know, like I'm doing really well, so I would

1227
01:07:53,320 --> 01:07:56,480
Speaker 1: think his media situation, like he was financially making a

1228
01:07:56,520 --> 01:07:59,520
Speaker 1: lot of money for him to go back. Like I

1229
01:07:59,640 --> 01:08:02,920
Speaker 1: texted buddy in the NFL that actually sent me, He's like,

1230
01:08:02,960 --> 01:08:05,160
Speaker 1: you got to listen to this, and this guy's worked

1231
01:08:05,200 --> 01:08:08,480
Speaker 1: with him before, let me just say that. And so

1232
01:08:08,600 --> 01:08:10,080
Speaker 1: I listened to it all. I didn't even know what

1233
01:08:10,160 --> 01:08:14,200
Speaker 1: existed until he sent me that, and it was I mean,

1234
01:08:14,240 --> 01:08:17,080
Speaker 1: it's it's aggressively taking him down. Now, if you work

1235
01:08:17,080 --> 01:08:19,559
Speaker 1: in the NFL long enough, I don't care who you are,

1236
01:08:19,640 --> 01:08:22,439
Speaker 1: unless you're like Andy Reid, you're gonna create some enemies.

1237
01:08:22,640 --> 01:08:26,080
Speaker 1: Clearly he has created a lot. He hasn't even worked

1238
01:08:26,080 --> 01:08:28,760
Speaker 1: in the league for a decade. I also think Belichick,

1239
01:08:29,520 --> 01:08:32,519
Speaker 1: like those guys, and I think they take pride in this,

1240
01:08:33,240 --> 01:08:35,439
Speaker 1: are just known as assholes and they do not care.

1241
01:08:36,640 --> 01:08:39,400
Speaker 1: They do not care. They actually kind of embrace it.

1242
01:08:39,640 --> 01:08:41,679
Speaker 1: So they pissed a lot of people off over the years.

1243
01:08:42,840 --> 01:08:45,439
Speaker 1: I can't speak to like, you know, part of the

1244
01:08:45,680 --> 01:08:48,439
Speaker 1: pablotory thing was he's taken credit for Super Bowls when

1245
01:08:48,479 --> 01:08:52,120
Speaker 1: he wasn't even on the team. What happened with Bill

1246
01:08:52,200 --> 01:08:54,479
Speaker 1: Walsh in nineteen eighty five. I mean, I was born

1247
01:08:54,520 --> 01:09:01,400
Speaker 1: in eighty four. But I do think Pablo I don't

1248
01:09:01,479 --> 01:09:05,160
Speaker 1: know if Belichick or Lombardi did something to him, but

1249
01:09:05,600 --> 01:09:08,240
Speaker 1: he is spending a lot of energy to go after them.

1250
01:09:08,800 --> 01:09:11,800
Speaker 1: And if I were those two, I just don't think

1251
01:09:11,840 --> 01:09:14,559
Speaker 1: this guy's gonna stop. And when you've pissed a lot

1252
01:09:14,600 --> 01:09:18,080
Speaker 1: of people off and just have a lot of people

1253
01:09:18,120 --> 01:09:20,679
Speaker 1: that don't like you. They are going to be free

1254
01:09:20,760 --> 01:09:25,920
Speaker 1: to share the opinions of stuff that they thought. Now

1255
01:09:26,000 --> 01:09:29,400
Speaker 1: he shares like part of the reason Lombardi was fired

1256
01:09:29,479 --> 01:09:31,280
Speaker 1: in New England, right, he went to work for the

1257
01:09:31,320 --> 01:09:34,160
Speaker 1: Patriots while the Browns were still paying him. And this

1258
01:09:34,240 --> 01:09:37,840
Speaker 1: is what Pablo reported that they fired Michael Lombardi. Bob

1259
01:09:37,920 --> 01:09:39,920
Speaker 1: Kraft told Bill Belichick he had to get him out

1260
01:09:39,920 --> 01:09:43,120
Speaker 1: of the building because there was a mutiny between Matt Patricia,

1261
01:09:44,120 --> 01:09:47,920
Speaker 1: Josh McDaniels, Nick Cassario, and a bunch of players and

1262
01:09:48,200 --> 01:09:50,720
Speaker 1: Ernie Adams. I don't know if that's true or not.

1263
01:09:51,880 --> 01:09:54,960
Speaker 1: So like you're telling me that players wanted Michael Lombardi

1264
01:09:55,080 --> 01:09:58,800
Speaker 1: out of the building. That seems a little crazy to me. Again,

1265
01:09:58,880 --> 01:10:02,439
Speaker 1: though I wasn't there, I don't know. I hope one

1266
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Speaker 1: day someone doesn't do that to me.

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Speaker 3: Middle Cooff Clayby worked for the Eagles, said he had

1268
01:10:08,160 --> 01:10:11,240
Speaker 3: a radio job. Dude was working at McDonald's. He's a

1269
01:10:11,360 --> 01:10:16,680
Speaker 3: fucking liar, Like Jesus, Pablo. I'm sorry, I find it

1270
01:10:16,760 --> 01:10:21,280
Speaker 3: all kind of entertaining. I just wish Lombardi was not

1271
01:10:21,360 --> 01:10:22,120
Speaker 3: in North Carolina.

1272
01:10:22,240 --> 01:10:26,759
Speaker 1: Just podcasting. But dude wants to be a team builder again.

1273
01:10:26,800 --> 01:10:28,200
Speaker 1: I know a lot of people in the NFL that

1274
01:10:28,320 --> 01:10:30,800
Speaker 1: know him and like him. Now these are younger guys,

1275
01:10:30,960 --> 01:10:35,720
Speaker 1: like guys under forty. But I just think, you know,

1276
01:10:35,840 --> 01:10:41,120
Speaker 1: certain people ruffle feathers. Some people don't, you know. I

1277
01:10:41,240 --> 01:10:44,360
Speaker 1: do think you could do versions of that though on

1278
01:10:44,560 --> 01:10:47,320
Speaker 1: a lot of guys, like I think you could do.

1279
01:10:47,920 --> 01:10:52,599
Speaker 1: You could easily do something like that on Howie Roseman

1280
01:10:53,439 --> 01:10:56,960
Speaker 1: or Pete Carroll, Like if you've been in the league

1281
01:10:56,960 --> 01:10:58,679
Speaker 1: a long time and you fired a bunch of people

1282
01:10:58,720 --> 01:11:00,400
Speaker 1: over the years, like you're gonna have people I don't

1283
01:11:00,439 --> 01:11:03,639
Speaker 1: like you, Kyle Shanahan. I think that'd be a pretty

1284
01:11:03,640 --> 01:11:07,519
Speaker 1: easy one to do it on You're gonna piss people off.

1285
01:11:08,280 --> 01:11:10,080
Speaker 1: I think it makes more sense as a coach than

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01:11:10,120 --> 01:11:15,280
Speaker 1: an executive. But yeah, it is what it is clearly

1287
01:11:15,320 --> 01:11:19,640
Speaker 1: pretty ugly. I mean, if you're a North Carolina administrative

1288
01:11:19,760 --> 01:11:23,080
Speaker 1: or administrator or booster, you're like, God, is this ever

1289
01:11:23,160 --> 01:11:27,479
Speaker 1: gonna stop? Is this ever gonna stop? And the answer

1290
01:11:27,560 --> 01:11:30,880
Speaker 1: doesn't feel like it. No. I'm a Bears fan and

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01:11:30,960 --> 01:11:33,560
Speaker 1: I'm still not sold on Caleb. I'm with you. I

1292
01:11:33,600 --> 01:11:35,640
Speaker 1: don't know if he's gonna work in Ben's offense. I

1293
01:11:35,680 --> 01:11:39,120
Speaker 1: hope he does, but right now he hasn't had a

1294
01:11:39,240 --> 01:11:43,080
Speaker 1: fluid transition. My question is this, if Caleb doesn't start

1295
01:11:43,439 --> 01:11:45,840
Speaker 1: to figure things out by the end of the year,

1296
01:11:46,680 --> 01:11:49,320
Speaker 1: how long will the leash be? Could you see them

1297
01:11:49,400 --> 01:11:52,880
Speaker 1: trading for an older quarterback for some competition in twenty

1298
01:11:52,960 --> 01:11:57,519
Speaker 1: six if they do not get better. I would say

1299
01:11:57,520 --> 01:12:00,759
Speaker 1: if they missed the playoffs this year and his quarterback

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01:12:00,800 --> 01:12:02,920
Speaker 1: play continues the way it has been the last couple

1301
01:12:02,960 --> 01:12:07,600
Speaker 1: of weeks, his spot is in major jeopardy. Now, I

1302
01:12:08,760 --> 01:12:11,040
Speaker 1: who would be the players that they would quote unquote

1303
01:12:11,120 --> 01:12:14,080
Speaker 1: trade for right? So, I mean it has to fit.

1304
01:12:15,720 --> 01:12:18,040
Speaker 1: I don't even know. I don't even know the exercise.

1305
01:12:18,120 --> 01:12:21,120
Speaker 1: Would would Ben want to draft a guy? Would they

1306
01:12:21,200 --> 01:12:24,240
Speaker 1: trade Caleb Williams? Would you have value on the open market?

1307
01:12:24,320 --> 01:12:27,240
Speaker 1: You know Minnesota? Would they trade for him? Clearly, Kevin

1308
01:12:27,280 --> 01:12:31,320
Speaker 1: O'Connell like Caleb Williams a lot. I think a lot

1309
01:12:31,400 --> 01:12:34,120
Speaker 1: of things would be on the table. But I would

1310
01:12:34,160 --> 01:12:38,960
Speaker 1: be stunned if they missed the playoffs and he plays

1311
01:12:39,040 --> 01:12:41,880
Speaker 1: poorly that they just say, yeah, Caleb Williams are started

1312
01:12:41,920 --> 01:12:43,920
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty six. That's not the way it works,

1313
01:12:45,000 --> 01:12:47,800
Speaker 1: fair or not. You can agree or disagree with the

1314
01:12:47,960 --> 01:12:51,160
Speaker 1: speed in which we change, but that's the pace of

1315
01:12:51,280 --> 01:12:55,519
Speaker 1: things now, like that's the pace of business. Want to

1316
01:12:55,560 --> 01:12:57,240
Speaker 1: hear your take. This is a non football question on

1317
01:12:57,360 --> 01:13:01,360
Speaker 1: the La Angels signing their new manager. This is funny

1318
01:13:01,400 --> 01:13:03,519
Speaker 1: because I was at the gym the other day and

1319
01:13:03,600 --> 01:13:05,680
Speaker 1: I look up at the TV and I see the

1320
01:13:06,280 --> 01:13:09,680
Speaker 1: ticker or the headline they kind of break. I think

1321
01:13:09,680 --> 01:13:12,920
Speaker 1: it was like Sports Center this story and I had

1322
01:13:12,960 --> 01:13:15,760
Speaker 1: to do a double take. They hired their manager to

1323
01:13:15,920 --> 01:13:21,519
Speaker 1: a one year contract. What an unserious franchise. That's a

1324
01:13:21,720 --> 01:13:25,600
Speaker 1: Porta Potty Panthers type move right there. Also want to

1325
01:13:25,640 --> 01:13:28,360
Speaker 1: hear your thoughts on the Portland Trailblazers head coach John C.

1326
01:13:28,439 --> 01:13:32,719
Speaker 1: Billups and the gambling scandal. You can't be a serious

1327
01:13:32,840 --> 01:13:36,080
Speaker 1: organization and sign a manager to a one year contract.

1328
01:13:36,720 --> 01:13:38,479
Speaker 1: Now I could be wrong on this, but when I

1329
01:13:38,560 --> 01:13:41,920
Speaker 1: was looking at the TV, the GM also is one

1330
01:13:42,000 --> 01:13:45,000
Speaker 1: year remaining, so they wanted to put Kurt Suzuki is

1331
01:13:45,120 --> 01:13:47,160
Speaker 1: the manager who actually was the A's catcher for a

1332
01:13:47,200 --> 01:13:52,800
Speaker 1: long time. Clearly a pretty high level dude. I just

1333
01:13:53,880 --> 01:13:57,280
Speaker 1: I don't think the average fan I guess like the

1334
01:13:57,400 --> 01:14:00,719
Speaker 1: diehard fan understands this, but I just say actual sports

1335
01:14:00,760 --> 01:14:08,600
Speaker 1: fan realizes how a relevant front offices, ownership, and organizations

1336
01:14:08,640 --> 01:14:12,360
Speaker 1: look at the quote unquote manager now like they are

1337
01:14:12,560 --> 01:14:15,240
Speaker 1: just if you told me they were paying Kurt Suzuki

1338
01:14:15,400 --> 01:14:18,599
Speaker 1: one year, eight hundred grand like what the running back

1339
01:14:18,640 --> 01:14:23,640
Speaker 1: coach to Alabama makes. I believe you. And one of

1340
01:14:23,680 --> 01:14:26,479
Speaker 1: the stories I saw is Albert Pools was gonna be

1341
01:14:26,520 --> 01:14:29,240
Speaker 1: the next manager of the Angels. Albert Poole's going to

1342
01:14:29,479 --> 01:14:32,040
Speaker 1: sign up to be the manager. As didn't Albert Pools

1343
01:14:32,080 --> 01:14:41,599
Speaker 1: make I would guess Albert Poolhole's career earnings. My guess

1344
01:14:41,800 --> 01:14:46,040
Speaker 1: is gonna be let's go three hundred and ninety million dollars.

1345
01:14:47,240 --> 01:14:49,599
Speaker 1: I'm a little high. Three hundred and forty million dollars.

1346
01:14:52,080 --> 01:14:54,360
Speaker 1: Guy made three hundred and forty million dollars is going

1347
01:14:54,439 --> 01:14:56,400
Speaker 1: to work for the Angels for not much money in

1348
01:14:56,479 --> 01:15:00,559
Speaker 1: a one year contract. Not shocked now that we Suzuki

1349
01:15:00,640 --> 01:15:03,000
Speaker 1: does it one year contract, Pooholes pulls his name out.

1350
01:15:07,320 --> 01:15:09,920
Speaker 1: You'd have to really really like baseball to have made

1351
01:15:09,960 --> 01:15:12,880
Speaker 1: three hundred and forty million dollars and want to manage

1352
01:15:13,040 --> 01:15:16,479
Speaker 1: an awful team. Well, you have to play like random

1353
01:15:16,560 --> 01:15:18,680
Speaker 1: games against the A's in the middle of July that

1354
01:15:19,640 --> 01:15:22,640
Speaker 1: twenty thousand people were watching total at the game and

1355
01:15:22,800 --> 01:15:27,920
Speaker 1: on TV one year contract I talked about the Chauncey

1356
01:15:27,960 --> 01:15:31,880
Speaker 1: Billups thing, I think on Thursday. I mentioned this to

1357
01:15:31,960 --> 01:15:36,320
Speaker 1: Colin the other day too. I truly believe that tanking,

1358
01:15:37,040 --> 01:15:41,400
Speaker 1: which Adam Silver has been a shepherd over, has allowed

1359
01:15:41,439 --> 01:15:44,720
Speaker 1: it to happen and has not taken aggressive measures to

1360
01:15:44,840 --> 01:15:48,000
Speaker 1: make sure it doesn't happen, is the direct reason that

1361
01:15:48,240 --> 01:15:51,360
Speaker 1: more of this stuff has happened, because if you're not tanking,

1362
01:15:51,640 --> 01:15:54,320
Speaker 1: it is much harder to manipulate games because people would

1363
01:15:54,360 --> 01:15:57,880
Speaker 1: notice you can't manipulate games that matter. In the NBA

1364
01:15:58,680 --> 01:16:02,479
Speaker 1: too much of their pro just doesn't matter. And I'm

1365
01:16:02,520 --> 01:16:05,040
Speaker 1: not talking like you're gonna have random games, especially like

1366
01:16:05,760 --> 01:16:09,080
Speaker 1: in November that don't necessarily matter. I'm talking like, legitimately,

1367
01:16:09,680 --> 01:16:11,800
Speaker 1: teams are trying to lose the game as the season

1368
01:16:11,880 --> 01:16:16,360
Speaker 1: goes on, and I think that leads to stuff like this. Now,

1369
01:16:16,360 --> 01:16:20,760
Speaker 1: it's like Chauncey Billups has been in touch with the mob,

1370
01:16:20,920 --> 01:16:24,120
Speaker 1: like I'm not quite sure how fascinated Like everyone else,

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01:16:24,320 --> 01:16:28,360
Speaker 1: I need more details. Did he owe them money? Well,

1372
01:16:28,439 --> 01:16:31,000
Speaker 1: how can a guy worth one hundred million dollars And listen,

1373
01:16:31,080 --> 01:16:32,720
Speaker 1: it's easy to throw that out there. You know half

1374
01:16:32,720 --> 01:16:35,519
Speaker 1: of it got tax So then you buy a home,

1375
01:16:35,600 --> 01:16:37,280
Speaker 1: you buy some stuff. It's not like you have one

1376
01:16:37,360 --> 01:16:39,439
Speaker 1: hundred million dollars in the bank because you spend a

1377
01:16:39,479 --> 01:16:42,719
Speaker 1: lot of it, even if you you know not everyone's

1378
01:16:42,840 --> 01:16:44,920
Speaker 1: just like investing in the S and P. Five hundred.

1379
01:16:45,640 --> 01:16:48,519
Speaker 1: But I've always assumed Chouncey was a smart guy. But

1380
01:16:48,600 --> 01:16:50,320
Speaker 1: you could go, well, did he get back into coaching

1381
01:16:50,320 --> 01:16:51,840
Speaker 1: because he needed some more money or is he's a

1382
01:16:51,840 --> 01:16:56,559
Speaker 1: basketball junkie. I think that comes into question, and did

1383
01:16:56,640 --> 01:16:58,519
Speaker 1: he need the money to pay these guys back. Once

1384
01:16:58,600 --> 01:17:01,360
Speaker 1: you get in with these shape characters, they don't exactly

1385
01:17:02,120 --> 01:17:04,400
Speaker 1: you know, once you were good, you're good. That's at

1386
01:17:04,479 --> 01:17:06,720
Speaker 1: least based on the movies and documentaries I've seen on

1387
01:17:06,800 --> 01:17:08,960
Speaker 1: the Mob that they don't just like, oh, go on

1388
01:17:09,040 --> 01:17:12,000
Speaker 1: your merry way. So I'm fascinated to know the connection,

1389
01:17:12,439 --> 01:17:20,200
Speaker 1: how it started. And yes, Chauncey's degenerate because again, I

1390
01:17:20,680 --> 01:17:23,240
Speaker 1: I've said this forever. One reason why I have to

1391
01:17:23,280 --> 01:17:26,519
Speaker 1: pick my spots with sports gambling because I don't get

1392
01:17:26,520 --> 01:17:29,479
Speaker 1: a high from one hundred dollars bet. Now that's why

1393
01:17:29,520 --> 01:17:31,639
Speaker 1: I do a lot, you know, play like weekend parlays

1394
01:17:31,680 --> 01:17:34,400
Speaker 1: through a couple like fifty dollars ones because they'll pay

1395
01:17:34,439 --> 01:17:37,040
Speaker 1: out five grand. But like, for me to get a

1396
01:17:37,120 --> 01:17:40,160
Speaker 1: high on an individual game, the bet has to be

1397
01:17:42,280 --> 01:17:46,200
Speaker 1: I mean, even one thousand dollars on a game, I'm

1398
01:17:46,320 --> 01:17:48,559
Speaker 1: really into it. But if I lose the money, it's

1399
01:17:48,600 --> 01:17:50,680
Speaker 1: like whatever. But once I get to like, and I've

1400
01:17:50,760 --> 01:17:53,560
Speaker 1: done this before, like the true highs I've had have

1401
01:17:53,760 --> 01:17:57,240
Speaker 1: been like three, four or five thousand dollars games. Problem

1402
01:17:57,320 --> 01:17:58,519
Speaker 1: is you can lose a lot of money that way,

1403
01:17:58,840 --> 01:18:01,599
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, you get and I'm cold right now,

1404
01:18:01,800 --> 01:18:06,120
Speaker 1: I am cold. All the favorites are just dominating. So

1405
01:18:06,280 --> 01:18:09,000
Speaker 1: it's money's all relative. If I was a guy like

1406
01:18:09,120 --> 01:18:11,560
Speaker 1: Chauncey Billups, is that one hundred grand a game? Is

1407
01:18:11,600 --> 01:18:14,640
Speaker 1: that seventy five grand a game? Is that got playing blackjack?

1408
01:18:15,640 --> 01:18:18,600
Speaker 1: Five grand a hand, ten grand a hand. I So

1409
01:18:19,200 --> 01:18:22,040
Speaker 1: you just get two different units that if you play

1410
01:18:22,280 --> 01:18:25,320
Speaker 1: and you don't back out all of a sudden, I mean,

1411
01:18:25,360 --> 01:18:30,519
Speaker 1: I could lose with the equivalent of what if like

1412
01:18:30,600 --> 01:18:33,559
Speaker 1: this guy had lost five hundred thousand dollars in a weekend. Well,

1413
01:18:33,600 --> 01:18:36,000
Speaker 1: I could do the equivalent whatever that that is worth

1414
01:18:36,040 --> 01:18:40,120
Speaker 1: to me with ease. But it's fun, Like I enjoyed

1415
01:18:40,160 --> 01:18:42,280
Speaker 1: to gamble, So it's like I I and I don't

1416
01:18:42,320 --> 01:18:44,160
Speaker 1: have an addictive personality, so I can kind of pick

1417
01:18:44,240 --> 01:18:47,519
Speaker 1: my spots. But I do understand, like I don't get

1418
01:18:47,560 --> 01:18:49,840
Speaker 1: a high from a fifty dollars bet unless that fifty

1419
01:18:49,840 --> 01:18:51,679
Speaker 1: dollars bet is on a guy to win the Masters

1420
01:18:51,720 --> 01:18:53,720
Speaker 1: at fifty to one and it's gonna pay out twenty

1421
01:18:53,760 --> 01:18:55,880
Speaker 1: five hundred dollars, then yeah, I'll pay a little more attention.

1422
01:18:58,360 --> 01:19:00,439
Speaker 1: A mail back question, Doe, the Steelers have a defensive

1423
01:19:00,479 --> 01:19:04,479
Speaker 1: coordinator problem. I don't think Terrell Austin is horrible, but

1424
01:19:04,760 --> 01:19:07,840
Speaker 1: he has no ability to make adjustments. The last four

1425
01:19:07,920 --> 01:19:09,880
Speaker 1: or five years, we've had a great talent. We've had

1426
01:19:09,920 --> 01:19:13,880
Speaker 1: great talent, but have had horrible defensive results. Games like

1427
01:19:13,920 --> 01:19:16,880
Speaker 1: the Jets scoring thirty two or Flacco being with the

1428
01:19:16,920 --> 01:19:19,320
Speaker 1: Bengals for ten days and having the best game in

1429
01:19:19,400 --> 01:19:21,680
Speaker 1: a decade or in the past few seasons, when they've

1430
01:19:21,680 --> 01:19:25,040
Speaker 1: made Zach Wilson look great, When can we play based

1431
01:19:25,080 --> 01:19:27,600
Speaker 1: defense and everything goes to plan? It looks good, But

1432
01:19:27,680 --> 01:19:32,360
Speaker 1: I don't get why we run the defense specifically when

1433
01:19:32,400 --> 01:19:34,760
Speaker 1: it isn't working, and I never real never see the

1434
01:19:34,840 --> 01:19:38,080
Speaker 1: adjustments being made. That has to be a coaching issue, right.

1435
01:19:38,360 --> 01:19:40,840
Speaker 1: Letting Brian Flores walk and not promoting him to DC

1436
01:19:41,040 --> 01:19:43,479
Speaker 1: when we had him was a huge mistake in my opinion.

1437
01:19:45,240 --> 01:19:50,479
Speaker 1: I do think your secondary talent is pretty overrated, you know.

1438
01:19:50,720 --> 01:19:54,360
Speaker 1: I mean, I've watched him now healthy or not healthy,

1439
01:19:54,840 --> 01:19:57,120
Speaker 1: kind of have similar results. I forgot about that game.

1440
01:19:57,160 --> 01:19:59,400
Speaker 1: To Zach Wilson, it was like his claim to fame

1441
01:19:59,439 --> 01:20:02,679
Speaker 1: in the NFL. He he looked like a franchise quarterback.

1442
01:20:04,280 --> 01:20:06,720
Speaker 1: I do think when your pass rush goes away, your

1443
01:20:06,760 --> 01:20:11,240
Speaker 1: defense sucks. When TJ's dominating, you look sweet. And you

1444
01:20:11,320 --> 01:20:14,600
Speaker 1: could argue that last night he j Lo hit a

1445
01:20:14,640 --> 01:20:17,960
Speaker 1: couple of balls. I've only called him j Lo because

1446
01:20:18,000 --> 01:20:19,240
Speaker 1: I was in the car and I had on Fox

1447
01:20:19,280 --> 01:20:24,080
Speaker 1: Sports Radio and they play they play First Things First

1448
01:20:24,520 --> 01:20:27,600
Speaker 1: after Coward Show ends, and they were calling him j

1449
01:20:27,720 --> 01:20:28,960
Speaker 1: Low and I was like, I kind of like that.

1450
01:20:30,120 --> 01:20:31,720
Speaker 1: But love threw up a couple I don't want to

1451
01:20:31,720 --> 01:20:34,680
Speaker 1: say prayers, but the one at Tucker Craft that was

1452
01:20:35,120 --> 01:20:38,320
Speaker 1: how long was that play? Seventy yard play? Yeah? It

1453
01:20:38,439 --> 01:20:40,720
Speaker 1: was a little fifty fifty ball and he threw one

1454
01:20:40,760 --> 01:20:43,439
Speaker 1: across his body to Christian Watson, which again they were

1455
01:20:43,520 --> 01:20:46,800
Speaker 1: beautiful outcomes and results. The Watson one was a dime,

1456
01:20:47,240 --> 01:20:49,599
Speaker 1: but it was I mean, the dB was right there

1457
01:20:50,240 --> 01:20:53,880
Speaker 1: and probably a couple inches away from tipping it. But yeah,

1458
01:20:53,880 --> 01:20:55,720
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't think. I think your talent, Like

1459
01:20:55,800 --> 01:20:57,920
Speaker 1: back in the day, your talent was pretty high end.

1460
01:20:58,400 --> 01:21:00,680
Speaker 1: You had multiple sweet corners, you had swim linebackers, you

1461
01:21:00,760 --> 01:21:04,120
Speaker 1: had an unreal defensive line and pass rush. You ran

1462
01:21:04,200 --> 01:21:06,719
Speaker 1: a three to four defense then. But you know James Harrison,

1463
01:21:06,840 --> 01:21:10,120
Speaker 1: Lamar Woodley, it just was kind of a different animal

1464
01:21:10,800 --> 01:21:14,760
Speaker 1: with a Brett keesl yes's not really this group. So

1465
01:21:15,360 --> 01:21:19,960
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to act like Terrell Austin is. You know,

1466
01:21:20,080 --> 01:21:23,040
Speaker 1: Belichick in his prime as a scheme guy. I do

1467
01:21:23,200 --> 01:21:25,000
Speaker 1: think just your roster and your talent's a little bit

1468
01:21:25,000 --> 01:21:27,880
Speaker 1: over it. Look at their offense, it's like you go

1469
01:21:28,000 --> 01:21:30,519
Speaker 1: all in on DK Metcalf. Who's listen, I'd want Dk

1470
01:21:30,600 --> 01:21:33,599
Speaker 1: Metcalf on my team if I had sweet other players.

1471
01:21:33,720 --> 01:21:37,160
Speaker 1: They have no other wide receivers. They're starting running back

1472
01:21:37,280 --> 01:21:39,840
Speaker 1: or they their most talented running back is like a

1473
01:21:39,920 --> 01:21:44,439
Speaker 1: small scatback who again, who doesn't like Jalen Warren. But

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Speaker 1: it's like, how did this happen? It's like, well, we

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Speaker 1: drafted a guy in the third round. It's like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: he can't get on the field. So did you whiff

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Speaker 1: on that one? Did you misidentify the talent? Because that's

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Speaker 1: kind of a disaster in a sport that should be

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Speaker 1: pretty easy to find running backs, you can't do it.

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Speaker 1: You have all these tight ends. Your offense isn't really

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Speaker 1: explosive despite having DK Metcalf in Your defense clearly is

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Speaker 1: just not very good. And you know injuries are gonna happen,

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Speaker 1: so like what happens when TJ miss a couple of games?

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Speaker 1: You would be screwed. So I think it's easy to

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Speaker 1: blame the coaches. I think we do that a lot,

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Speaker 1: and I'm guilty of that too. But I'm watching the

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Speaker 1: Steelers are going like, I don't see that much talent.

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Speaker 1: This isn't exactly the two thousand and eleven Steelers, Like,

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Speaker 1: I just think they're personnel on defense is like mah, Like,

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Speaker 1: if TJ's on, they look good. What about when he's not.

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Speaker 1: What about when they have no sacks in the game.

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Speaker 1: If they have no sacks in the game, they're gonna

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Speaker 1: get shredded. And that's exactly what happened. Now, they did

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Speaker 1: pressure him a couple of times and he made good plays,

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Speaker 1: but like that's the NFL because all these guys now

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Speaker 1: can move and it's a little more dynamic quarterback play.

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Speaker 1: But I think it's easy to blame Terrell Austin. Here's

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Speaker 1: the thing, isn't Mike a defensive guy. I was watching

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Speaker 1: was a Hard Knocks a couple of years ago when

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Speaker 1: they did the AFC North in season. Mike ain't sitting

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Speaker 1: in with the offensive guys. He's not sitting with Rogers

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Speaker 1: and Arthur Smith. He says with the defensive guys. You know,

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Speaker 1: I remember the clip I was watching, like Mika Fitzpatrick

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Speaker 1: walked out of the room and he gave him like

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Speaker 1: a fifth pound or maybe walked in the room to

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Speaker 1: say something. He's a the defense is his baby, and

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Speaker 1: I bet he hangs out with Terrell Austin and that

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Speaker 1: that group the majority of the time. Shouldn't he be

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Speaker 1: there to help out. I'm all for a CEO head coach,

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Speaker 1: but it feels like they're so quick to blame when

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Speaker 1: the coordinators suck well, like what's your air expertise? And

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Speaker 1: for Mike it's defense in dB play should be his baby,

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Speaker 1: and their dB play it's terrible. And they blame coordinators

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Speaker 1: a lot, But who's the offensive coordinator they fired in season?

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Speaker 1: I think it was like the first guy they had

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Speaker 1: fired in season in like fifty years. I wanted to

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Speaker 1: say Freddy Kitchens, but it's I'm complete. Oh, Matt Can't Canada,

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Speaker 1: Matt Canada, Arthur Smith. I mean they're they're offensive coordinators good.

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Speaker 1: I just think they're They're personnel as a team is

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Speaker 1: not great. Guess what. I think their personnel staff is

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Speaker 1: not as good as it once was. It was really

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Speaker 1: good and then Colbert retired. I just don't think it's

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Speaker 1: as good. I think people around the league would tell

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Speaker 1: you that the volume mm hmm