1 00:00:00,680 --> 00:00:03,600 Speaker 1: And you're here. Thanks for choosing the iHeartRadio and Coast 2 00:00:03,600 --> 00:00:07,520 Speaker 1: to Coast AM Paranormal podcast network. Your quest for podcasts 3 00:00:07,520 --> 00:00:11,280 Speaker 1: of the paranormal, supernatural, and the unexplained ends here. We 4 00:00:11,360 --> 00:00:13,840 Speaker 1: invite you to enjoy all our shows we have on 5 00:00:13,880 --> 00:00:17,360 Speaker 1: this network, and right now, let's start with Strange Things 6 00:00:17,400 --> 00:00:27,680 Speaker 1: with Joshua P. Warren. Welcome to our podcast. Please be 7 00:00:27,720 --> 00:00:31,440 Speaker 1: aware the thoughts and opinions expressed by the host are 8 00:00:31,480 --> 00:00:35,120 Speaker 1: their thoughts and opinions only and do not reflect those 9 00:00:35,120 --> 00:00:41,159 Speaker 1: of iHeartMedia, iHeartRadio, Coast to Coast AM, employees of Premiere Networks, 10 00:00:41,560 --> 00:00:45,040 Speaker 1: or their sponsors and associates. We would like to encourage 11 00:00:45,080 --> 00:00:48,199 Speaker 1: you to do your own research and discover the subject 12 00:00:48,240 --> 00:01:13,679 Speaker 1: matter for yourself. Got ready to find a wizard of weird. 13 00:01:14,200 --> 00:01:25,880 Speaker 1: This is Strange Things with Joshua Pee Warren. I am 14 00:01:25,959 --> 00:01:29,080 Speaker 1: Joshua Pee Warren, and each week on this show, I'll 15 00:01:29,120 --> 00:01:32,960 Speaker 1: be bringing you brand new mind blowing content, news exercises, 16 00:01:33,280 --> 00:01:36,840 Speaker 1: and weird experiments you can do at home, and a 17 00:01:36,920 --> 00:01:42,320 Speaker 1: lot more. On this edition of the show. My new 18 00:01:43,080 --> 00:01:51,760 Speaker 1: Haunted object, my new possessed possession, President Franklin D. Roosevelt's 19 00:01:52,720 --> 00:02:00,240 Speaker 1: haunted wheelchair, This, I believe, is one of the most 20 00:02:00,280 --> 00:02:05,000 Speaker 1: interesting and amazing and exciting stories that I have told 21 00:02:05,000 --> 00:02:07,440 Speaker 1: on this show. I have been dying to tell it 22 00:02:07,480 --> 00:02:11,120 Speaker 1: for a long time now, and it is a lengthy story, 23 00:02:11,440 --> 00:02:15,120 Speaker 1: but well worth it. This is, I think, the kind 24 00:02:15,160 --> 00:02:18,040 Speaker 1: of story that you would like to hear on a 25 00:02:18,080 --> 00:02:25,240 Speaker 1: show called Strange Things. And it should be no surprise 26 00:02:25,360 --> 00:02:28,519 Speaker 1: to you that I am a collector of all kinds 27 00:02:28,520 --> 00:02:32,880 Speaker 1: of unusual objects. For many years, I even had a museum, 28 00:02:33,440 --> 00:02:36,480 Speaker 1: and soon I am going to be putting some of 29 00:02:36,520 --> 00:02:40,560 Speaker 1: my collection on public display. Again. I will get to 30 00:02:40,639 --> 00:02:44,079 Speaker 1: that later in the podcast, but let me tell you 31 00:02:44,120 --> 00:02:51,280 Speaker 1: about how I attained this sort of mind boggling item. 32 00:02:51,400 --> 00:02:55,320 Speaker 1: The story really begins back in two thousand and nine, 33 00:02:56,200 --> 00:03:00,880 Speaker 1: because that is when one of my favorite TV shows 34 00:03:01,000 --> 00:03:06,800 Speaker 1: of all time debuted, the show Pawn Stars on the 35 00:03:06,880 --> 00:03:12,120 Speaker 1: History Channel. I've been hooked ever since. And I always 36 00:03:12,120 --> 00:03:16,760 Speaker 1: assume that when I say Palm Stars, you've seen it, 37 00:03:16,800 --> 00:03:19,480 Speaker 1: you know, like I think everybody, like, surely everybody has 38 00:03:19,520 --> 00:03:21,280 Speaker 1: seen this, But it turns out that's not the case. 39 00:03:22,360 --> 00:03:24,520 Speaker 1: So if you've never seen Pond Stars, let me just 40 00:03:24,560 --> 00:03:29,080 Speaker 1: give you a general overview of this show. Here in 41 00:03:29,480 --> 00:03:34,720 Speaker 1: Las Vegas. There is a real pawn shop called the 42 00:03:34,800 --> 00:03:37,600 Speaker 1: Gold and Silver Pawn Shop that's been around since I 43 00:03:37,640 --> 00:03:42,320 Speaker 1: think nineteen eighty eight, and it is run by a 44 00:03:42,440 --> 00:03:46,520 Speaker 1: man named Rick Harrison, and he operates it with his 45 00:03:46,640 --> 00:03:52,360 Speaker 1: son Corey and Corey's lifelong friend Chum Lee, who offers 46 00:03:52,400 --> 00:03:57,680 Speaker 1: a lot of comic relief. And the show started out, 47 00:03:58,320 --> 00:04:00,440 Speaker 1: I mean, most of the show's run also had the 48 00:04:00,760 --> 00:04:05,760 Speaker 1: patriarch of the family, which is Rick's father, Richard Harrison. 49 00:04:05,800 --> 00:04:08,880 Speaker 1: They called him the Old Man, but he died in 50 00:04:09,080 --> 00:04:13,800 Speaker 1: I believe twenty eighteen. So the setup for the show 51 00:04:14,120 --> 00:04:18,159 Speaker 1: is you see one of the guys at the counter, 52 00:04:18,279 --> 00:04:21,919 Speaker 1: like Rick, one of the employees, and a customer comes 53 00:04:21,960 --> 00:04:27,279 Speaker 1: in with some type of usually a slightly unusual item, 54 00:04:28,320 --> 00:04:32,880 Speaker 1: and they really nowadays, they just say I want to 55 00:04:32,920 --> 00:04:34,880 Speaker 1: sell it. They don't really mess with the pawn thing 56 00:04:34,920 --> 00:04:36,600 Speaker 1: too much. They just say I want to sell this. 57 00:04:37,080 --> 00:04:40,000 Speaker 1: And so the formula is like, huh, well, I don't 58 00:04:40,000 --> 00:04:42,280 Speaker 1: know what it's worth, you know, So let's get some 59 00:04:42,600 --> 00:04:46,080 Speaker 1: history expert in here to tell us the story behind 60 00:04:46,080 --> 00:04:48,599 Speaker 1: this thing, and then we'll get an appraiser and then 61 00:04:48,680 --> 00:04:51,800 Speaker 1: if they want the item, then it moves onto negotiation. 62 00:04:53,279 --> 00:04:58,240 Speaker 1: And now, granted, like most quote unquote reality shows, certain 63 00:04:58,279 --> 00:05:02,520 Speaker 1: parts of this are staged for dramatic purposes and entertainment. 64 00:05:02,960 --> 00:05:06,440 Speaker 1: But I've always loved the show because, you know, it's 65 00:05:06,480 --> 00:05:08,840 Speaker 1: a lot like an antiques road show, but it's such 66 00:05:08,960 --> 00:05:12,800 Speaker 1: much more condensed and commercialized. And what you get to 67 00:05:12,800 --> 00:05:16,120 Speaker 1: see are you know, real objects that come in the door, 68 00:05:16,920 --> 00:05:20,320 Speaker 1: even though it's planned in advance for television, of course, 69 00:05:20,400 --> 00:05:22,240 Speaker 1: but I know plenty of people who've been on the 70 00:05:22,279 --> 00:05:24,760 Speaker 1: show and who brought objects in. So they bring in 71 00:05:24,800 --> 00:05:28,159 Speaker 1: a real object and you get to hear the history 72 00:05:28,200 --> 00:05:30,880 Speaker 1: of it, and I love those kinds of stories, of course, 73 00:05:31,360 --> 00:05:33,600 Speaker 1: and then they really do get an appraisal, and then 74 00:05:33,640 --> 00:05:36,480 Speaker 1: they really do talk about how much this is actually 75 00:05:36,520 --> 00:05:40,120 Speaker 1: worth in today's commercial marketplace, and all that's just interesting 76 00:05:40,160 --> 00:05:46,039 Speaker 1: to me. So that show Pawn Stars is one of 77 00:05:46,040 --> 00:05:49,719 Speaker 1: the most successful shows in the history of cable TV, 78 00:05:51,200 --> 00:05:55,960 Speaker 1: and I, like I said, I've been watching it constantly 79 00:05:56,000 --> 00:05:58,279 Speaker 1: since two thousand and nine. At that time, I was 80 00:05:58,320 --> 00:06:01,599 Speaker 1: living in North Carolina, and every time I would travel 81 00:06:01,640 --> 00:06:05,200 Speaker 1: to Vegas, I would go and I would visit the 82 00:06:05,279 --> 00:06:08,320 Speaker 1: pawn shop. It's like one of the biggest tourist attractions 83 00:06:08,320 --> 00:06:11,159 Speaker 1: in Vegas now because you know, it's so famous due 84 00:06:11,240 --> 00:06:15,640 Speaker 1: to this show, and because of that, the property has expanded, 85 00:06:16,000 --> 00:06:19,680 Speaker 1: and now across the parking lot from the Pond Shop 86 00:06:20,440 --> 00:06:25,919 Speaker 1: is this sort of like complex that has Rick Harrison's 87 00:06:26,160 --> 00:06:30,760 Speaker 1: barbecue restaurant, and it's got a bar on top, you know, 88 00:06:30,920 --> 00:06:35,679 Speaker 1: full bar upstairs, and then Chumley has a candy store there, 89 00:06:36,160 --> 00:06:38,360 Speaker 1: and I can't remember all the stuff that's in this 90 00:06:38,440 --> 00:06:40,919 Speaker 1: kind of little shopping center, but there's you know, they 91 00:06:41,240 --> 00:06:45,240 Speaker 1: built their own little their own little Disney World there 92 00:06:45,279 --> 00:06:49,279 Speaker 1: for Pond stars, and you know, they're great, great business people. 93 00:06:49,320 --> 00:06:53,520 Speaker 1: All of them aren't quite wealthy. So like I said, 94 00:06:53,560 --> 00:06:55,159 Speaker 1: I would start, you know, I would, I would go 95 00:06:55,200 --> 00:06:57,560 Speaker 1: there and visit. And then, of course now I live 96 00:06:57,680 --> 00:07:00,640 Speaker 1: in Las Vegas, and so I kind of have run 97 00:07:00,720 --> 00:07:04,240 Speaker 1: ins with people in the circles of the show. Uh No, 98 00:07:04,360 --> 00:07:07,560 Speaker 1: pretty pretty often. In fact, I don't know if he 99 00:07:07,600 --> 00:07:10,160 Speaker 1: still does this, but for a long time, Rick Harrison 100 00:07:10,960 --> 00:07:15,480 Speaker 1: he would actually personally go and be the bartender for 101 00:07:15,560 --> 00:07:20,720 Speaker 1: like a couple hours on the weekends at his bar 102 00:07:20,840 --> 00:07:25,200 Speaker 1: there above the barbecue restaurant. That shows you how much 103 00:07:25,440 --> 00:07:29,080 Speaker 1: he enjoys interacting with fans. I mean I would find 104 00:07:29,080 --> 00:07:31,200 Speaker 1: that to be a little scary when you are as 105 00:07:31,560 --> 00:07:34,120 Speaker 1: famous as he is to just throw yourself out there 106 00:07:34,120 --> 00:07:35,400 Speaker 1: and you don't know who's going to walk into the 107 00:07:35,480 --> 00:07:39,640 Speaker 1: door and they're getting liquored up. So but he's fine 108 00:07:39,640 --> 00:07:41,520 Speaker 1: with it. And so if you if you time it 109 00:07:41,520 --> 00:07:43,280 Speaker 1: out right, if you're a fan of the show, you 110 00:07:43,320 --> 00:07:45,440 Speaker 1: can go you can find out when Rick's going to 111 00:07:45,480 --> 00:07:47,840 Speaker 1: be bartending, you can go in there. And that's how 112 00:07:47,880 --> 00:07:51,320 Speaker 1: I met him for the first time, and which was great. 113 00:07:51,360 --> 00:07:53,520 Speaker 1: You know, he was We had some really cool conversations 114 00:07:53,520 --> 00:07:56,080 Speaker 1: and he was a nice enough to actually give me 115 00:07:56,120 --> 00:08:00,280 Speaker 1: and Lauren some free shots of fine whiskey, and he 116 00:08:00,320 --> 00:08:04,360 Speaker 1: did not do that for everybody, so that was really cool. 117 00:08:04,360 --> 00:08:09,120 Speaker 1: And actually the first time I met him, I uh, 118 00:08:09,920 --> 00:08:13,920 Speaker 1: I really struck it rich, so to speak, because, um, 119 00:08:15,440 --> 00:08:18,440 Speaker 1: I looked over and this was it was a packed house. 120 00:08:19,000 --> 00:08:23,080 Speaker 1: I looked over and sitting at the bar eating was 121 00:08:23,280 --> 00:08:26,360 Speaker 1: Murray the Magician. And of course, you know I talk 122 00:08:26,400 --> 00:08:30,680 Speaker 1: about Murray often. Murray is uh, you know, he's one 123 00:08:30,680 --> 00:08:32,880 Speaker 1: of the biggest magicians in the world. He's been all 124 00:08:32,880 --> 00:08:35,760 Speaker 1: over TV. He has a show on the Vegas Strip. 125 00:08:35,800 --> 00:08:38,200 Speaker 1: I mean, if you drive down the Vegas strip. You're 126 00:08:38,200 --> 00:08:41,280 Speaker 1: gonna see gigantic signs with Murray's face all over it. 127 00:08:41,360 --> 00:08:44,760 Speaker 1: And he's very memorable because he has this big shock 128 00:08:44,800 --> 00:08:47,439 Speaker 1: of you know, blonde hair, and he wears stick glasses 129 00:08:47,480 --> 00:08:52,680 Speaker 1: and and he uh, he's always a very um, lighthearted guy, 130 00:08:52,800 --> 00:08:55,280 Speaker 1: you know. He he's one of these magicians who also 131 00:08:55,640 --> 00:08:58,000 Speaker 1: is like a comic magician. You know, he has a 132 00:08:58,040 --> 00:09:02,679 Speaker 1: lot of comedy in his and his routine. So, but 133 00:09:02,800 --> 00:09:05,120 Speaker 1: he is the guy they would always bring in on 134 00:09:05,160 --> 00:09:08,080 Speaker 1: the show when they had some kind of like a 135 00:09:08,120 --> 00:09:10,760 Speaker 1: magical item. You know, here in Vegas should get props 136 00:09:10,760 --> 00:09:13,080 Speaker 1: that might come in, say, somebody might have a pair 137 00:09:13,120 --> 00:09:16,280 Speaker 1: of what they claim are Houdini's handcuffs or you know 138 00:09:16,360 --> 00:09:18,520 Speaker 1: that kind of thing, and so they would call Murray 139 00:09:18,559 --> 00:09:23,720 Speaker 1: in to sort of authenticate it and to try to 140 00:09:23,800 --> 00:09:27,040 Speaker 1: value it. So anybody who watches the show knows Murray 141 00:09:27,040 --> 00:09:29,720 Speaker 1: the Magician. So that is how I ended up that 142 00:09:29,840 --> 00:09:33,240 Speaker 1: night talking to Murray the Magician, and we became friends, 143 00:09:33,840 --> 00:09:38,360 Speaker 1: and we even ended up, because of our developing friendship, 144 00:09:39,160 --> 00:09:45,240 Speaker 1: producing a sizzle reel together for a television series that 145 00:09:45,360 --> 00:09:48,960 Speaker 1: he and I would co star in. And the basic 146 00:09:49,080 --> 00:09:52,880 Speaker 1: idea is that we would go out and investigate paranormal stuff, 147 00:09:52,880 --> 00:09:55,960 Speaker 1: and I'm the paranormal investigator guy, and he's the magician 148 00:09:56,000 --> 00:10:00,439 Speaker 1: guy who's trying to debunk everything. Right, And a real 149 00:10:00,600 --> 00:10:03,360 Speaker 1: is what you that's like maybe a five minute video 150 00:10:03,440 --> 00:10:05,720 Speaker 1: that you shoot if you have an idea for a 151 00:10:05,760 --> 00:10:08,560 Speaker 1: TV show, and then you send that to networks and 152 00:10:08,640 --> 00:10:12,760 Speaker 1: you use that to pitch the show. And and we got, 153 00:10:12,800 --> 00:10:15,400 Speaker 1: you know, like a big company working with us. This 154 00:10:15,480 --> 00:10:19,400 Speaker 1: was a top notch sizzle real, and yet it did 155 00:10:19,400 --> 00:10:23,200 Speaker 1: not get picked up, which is what often happens. That's 156 00:10:23,200 --> 00:10:26,760 Speaker 1: what usually happens, I should say in the TV business, 157 00:10:27,800 --> 00:10:30,400 Speaker 1: which is one of the reasons that I don't mess 158 00:10:30,440 --> 00:10:34,120 Speaker 1: with TV that much anymore, because, gosh, you put so 159 00:10:34,200 --> 00:10:37,240 Speaker 1: much time into it. It's very time consuming planning out 160 00:10:37,240 --> 00:10:39,760 Speaker 1: a potential TV show, and then most of the time 161 00:10:39,760 --> 00:10:41,920 Speaker 1: it doesn't work out. You've just wasted all that time. 162 00:10:42,080 --> 00:10:44,040 Speaker 1: So I don't do much of that anymore. And I 163 00:10:44,080 --> 00:10:45,640 Speaker 1: think that, you know, I used to do TV all 164 00:10:45,679 --> 00:10:48,080 Speaker 1: the time, and now I'm very selective about what I do. 165 00:10:48,440 --> 00:10:52,440 Speaker 1: I think that nowadays it might even be harder to 166 00:10:52,600 --> 00:10:56,520 Speaker 1: get into TV than it was, say, like I don't know, 167 00:10:56,559 --> 00:11:01,360 Speaker 1: ten or fifteen years ago, because that we've reached a 168 00:11:01,400 --> 00:11:05,240 Speaker 1: point where nobody's even sure exactly what TV is anymore, 169 00:11:05,920 --> 00:11:10,439 Speaker 1: because we have all these streaming channels and people aren't 170 00:11:10,440 --> 00:11:12,240 Speaker 1: even going to the movies anymore. And now you see 171 00:11:12,240 --> 00:11:15,160 Speaker 1: movie stars on TV, but they're not really on TV. 172 00:11:15,360 --> 00:11:18,280 Speaker 1: They're on streaming channel. It's just it's a it's a 173 00:11:18,400 --> 00:11:22,880 Speaker 1: very confusing landscape right now. Everybody's trying to figure out, 174 00:11:22,920 --> 00:11:27,560 Speaker 1: like what is entertainment. It's being reinvented and so it's 175 00:11:27,600 --> 00:11:30,959 Speaker 1: even more complicated to navigate. But when we come back 176 00:11:31,000 --> 00:11:34,240 Speaker 1: from this break, I promise you this is leading up 177 00:11:34,240 --> 00:11:38,120 Speaker 1: to a haunted Franklin D. Roosevelt wheelchair. Okay, just bear 178 00:11:38,200 --> 00:11:45,760 Speaker 1: with me, because I found out about this because I'm 179 00:11:45,760 --> 00:11:50,080 Speaker 1: a fan of Pond Stars, right and I also have 180 00:11:50,120 --> 00:11:53,280 Speaker 1: another kind of funny Pond Stars story for you. I'm 181 00:11:53,320 --> 00:11:56,439 Speaker 1: going to tell you first real quick when we come back, 182 00:11:57,640 --> 00:12:01,679 Speaker 1: just in case that's of interest to you. And when 183 00:12:01,720 --> 00:12:04,600 Speaker 1: I'm done recording this podcast, I'm heading straight to my 184 00:12:04,679 --> 00:12:09,040 Speaker 1: workshop because I am working on a new product that 185 00:12:09,280 --> 00:12:13,360 Speaker 1: is quite fascinating and I don't think I'll be talking 186 00:12:13,400 --> 00:12:16,840 Speaker 1: about it on this show. I'll only be talking about 187 00:12:16,880 --> 00:12:21,080 Speaker 1: it at least revealing it primarily through my free E newsletter, 188 00:12:21,640 --> 00:12:24,000 Speaker 1: and if you want to know what it is, go 189 00:12:24,080 --> 00:12:27,480 Speaker 1: to Joshua peewarn dot com and sign up for the 190 00:12:27,480 --> 00:12:30,160 Speaker 1: free E newsletter. It takes you about two seconds. 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Welcome back to Strange 201 00:13:45,400 --> 00:13:49,400 Speaker 1: Things on the iHeart Radio and Coast to Coast a 202 00:13:49,559 --> 00:13:54,160 Speaker 1: m para normal podcast network. I'm your host, the Wizard 203 00:13:54,240 --> 00:13:58,960 Speaker 1: of Weird, Joshua Pee Warren, beaming into your wormhole brain 204 00:13:59,080 --> 00:14:04,080 Speaker 1: from my studio in Sin City, Las Vegas, Nevada, where 205 00:14:04,120 --> 00:14:09,640 Speaker 1: every day is golden and every night is silver. One 206 00:14:09,679 --> 00:14:14,800 Speaker 1: of the most notable experts if not. The most notable 207 00:14:14,920 --> 00:14:20,280 Speaker 1: expert on the Pond Stars TV show is Mark Hall Patton. 208 00:14:20,520 --> 00:14:24,840 Speaker 1: They call him the Beard of Knowledge, and because he 209 00:14:24,920 --> 00:14:34,080 Speaker 1: has this impressive gray beard and he wears an amish 210 00:14:34,160 --> 00:14:38,080 Speaker 1: style hat, often black. He's just a very memorable looking guy. 211 00:14:38,720 --> 00:14:41,960 Speaker 1: And he is one of those guys who's just like 212 00:14:42,000 --> 00:14:45,560 Speaker 1: a walking encyclopedia. He knows everything, and it's true. I mean, 213 00:14:45,640 --> 00:14:50,160 Speaker 1: he is the administrator for the Clark County Museum, so 214 00:14:50,400 --> 00:14:53,720 Speaker 1: Las Vegas is in Clark County, which is a huge county, 215 00:14:54,040 --> 00:14:57,840 Speaker 1: and I mean, he's the real deal. And I mentioned 216 00:14:57,920 --> 00:15:02,360 Speaker 1: him just because that I did see him in person 217 00:15:02,440 --> 00:15:05,600 Speaker 1: one day. I was over there and I look over 218 00:15:05,640 --> 00:15:08,360 Speaker 1: and there's Mark Hall Patton, and I would have loved 219 00:15:08,360 --> 00:15:11,040 Speaker 1: to have gone up and talk to him, but they 220 00:15:11,040 --> 00:15:13,600 Speaker 1: were filming that day, so I you know, I didn't 221 00:15:13,600 --> 00:15:16,400 Speaker 1: want to bother him. And by the way, I've heard 222 00:15:16,440 --> 00:15:19,200 Speaker 1: some people say, you know, they don't even really film 223 00:15:19,320 --> 00:15:22,880 Speaker 1: that show in that shop. They have another set somewhere 224 00:15:22,920 --> 00:15:26,160 Speaker 1: that looks like that shop. And I'm sure that they 225 00:15:26,240 --> 00:15:32,160 Speaker 1: do have another set somewhere for all kinds of extra 226 00:15:32,280 --> 00:15:36,240 Speaker 1: special shots and stuff, but they do film some right 227 00:15:36,280 --> 00:15:39,440 Speaker 1: there in the actual real pawn shop. I know because 228 00:15:39,480 --> 00:15:42,760 Speaker 1: I've seen them do it. That's neither here nor there. 229 00:15:42,760 --> 00:15:44,640 Speaker 1: But if you're curious and you're a fan of the show, 230 00:15:45,080 --> 00:15:47,760 Speaker 1: maybe you'd like to know that. But no, I didn't 231 00:15:47,760 --> 00:15:49,800 Speaker 1: get to talk to Mark Hall Patton. I will make 232 00:15:49,840 --> 00:15:52,000 Speaker 1: a point to do that one day. Hopefully he will. 233 00:15:52,360 --> 00:15:54,080 Speaker 1: He will want to talk to me as well. I 234 00:15:54,080 --> 00:15:56,440 Speaker 1: don't think he's into a ghost stories and stuff like 235 00:15:56,480 --> 00:15:59,680 Speaker 1: I am, but who knows. But one more sort of 236 00:15:59,760 --> 00:16:02,760 Speaker 1: see chronistic side story I just have to squeeze in 237 00:16:02,840 --> 00:16:07,240 Speaker 1: here before I continue, is that when I was growing 238 00:16:07,320 --> 00:16:14,240 Speaker 1: up in Asheville, North Carolina, I was I was relatively 239 00:16:14,400 --> 00:16:19,360 Speaker 1: close to Disney World in Orlando. By relatively close, I 240 00:16:19,440 --> 00:16:23,560 Speaker 1: mean a nine hour drive. So whenever the family would 241 00:16:23,600 --> 00:16:27,600 Speaker 1: go to Disney World, talk about the longest nine hours 242 00:16:27,640 --> 00:16:31,400 Speaker 1: of a kid's life waiting on that are we there yet? 243 00:16:31,440 --> 00:16:34,360 Speaker 1: Are we there yet? You know, for days to get 244 00:16:34,400 --> 00:16:38,200 Speaker 1: to Disney World. So I never ever in my life 245 00:16:38,240 --> 00:16:42,800 Speaker 1: growing up with to Disneyland, which is in California in Anaheim. 246 00:16:43,720 --> 00:16:47,200 Speaker 1: And then my wife Lauren had a similar situation. She 247 00:16:47,280 --> 00:16:50,840 Speaker 1: grew up in Katie, Texas outside of Houston, so that's 248 00:16:50,880 --> 00:16:53,640 Speaker 1: an even longer drive for her family. You're talking like 249 00:16:53,760 --> 00:16:57,000 Speaker 1: fourteen hours or whatever to drive to disney World, but 250 00:16:57,080 --> 00:17:00,400 Speaker 1: still closer than California. So she and I would growing 251 00:17:00,480 --> 00:17:02,600 Speaker 1: up if our parents decided to take a big trip, 252 00:17:02,640 --> 00:17:05,840 Speaker 1: then you know it would be disney World. So now 253 00:17:05,880 --> 00:17:08,240 Speaker 1: that we live here in Vegas, you can drive from 254 00:17:08,359 --> 00:17:12,879 Speaker 1: Vegas to disney Land in California, which was the original 255 00:17:12,920 --> 00:17:19,200 Speaker 1: Disney theme park, in like four hours. So so once 256 00:17:19,240 --> 00:17:21,680 Speaker 1: we moved here a few years ago, one day we said, 257 00:17:21,720 --> 00:17:25,840 Speaker 1: you know what, let's go see Disneyland. Let's see you know, 258 00:17:25,920 --> 00:17:28,199 Speaker 1: we're adults now and that kind of sucks, but you 259 00:17:28,200 --> 00:17:32,959 Speaker 1: know it'll be interesting. This was Walt Disney's original paradise 260 00:17:33,040 --> 00:17:37,280 Speaker 1: that he imagined. And also, if you're a real amusement 261 00:17:37,280 --> 00:17:42,960 Speaker 1: park geek, there are some interesting differences in the rides 262 00:17:44,359 --> 00:17:46,960 Speaker 1: in some cases very subtle, but definitely different in the 263 00:17:47,040 --> 00:17:50,080 Speaker 1: rides between the rides and disney World and Disneyland, even 264 00:17:50,080 --> 00:17:52,560 Speaker 1: though it's the same ride. So like you might have 265 00:17:52,600 --> 00:17:55,760 Speaker 1: a slightly different setup for like the Haunted Mansion at 266 00:17:55,800 --> 00:17:58,600 Speaker 1: disney World than Disneyland because of the way that the 267 00:17:59,040 --> 00:18:03,520 Speaker 1: grounds are constructed, did, etc. But anyway, that said, we 268 00:18:03,640 --> 00:18:07,800 Speaker 1: go to Disneyland, and this was in the middle of summer. 269 00:18:07,840 --> 00:18:11,480 Speaker 1: And if you've ever been to Disneyland or Disney World, 270 00:18:11,600 --> 00:18:14,840 Speaker 1: I mean you know that on a normal day, the 271 00:18:15,000 --> 00:18:18,760 Speaker 1: crowd is unbelievable. It may be the biggest crowd, the 272 00:18:18,840 --> 00:18:21,960 Speaker 1: biggest number of people you've ever seen anywhere in your life. 273 00:18:22,000 --> 00:18:23,959 Speaker 1: There's no telling. People from all over the world are 274 00:18:24,040 --> 00:18:27,960 Speaker 1: crammed into to these places, and you walk and walk 275 00:18:28,000 --> 00:18:33,119 Speaker 1: and walk, often in the heat forever, and you stand 276 00:18:33,160 --> 00:18:35,959 Speaker 1: in line. You're prepared to stand in line, you know, 277 00:18:36,040 --> 00:18:38,720 Speaker 1: over an hour. You just expect that to get into 278 00:18:38,760 --> 00:18:42,919 Speaker 1: some of these rides that last two minutes. As a 279 00:18:42,920 --> 00:18:44,480 Speaker 1: matter of fact, I'm at a point in my life 280 00:18:44,560 --> 00:18:46,800 Speaker 1: now I don't even think I'm willing to go stand 281 00:18:46,840 --> 00:18:48,720 Speaker 1: in lines and do that kind of stuff anymore. I'm 282 00:18:48,720 --> 00:18:52,080 Speaker 1: getting too old for that now. I've seen it, been there, 283 00:18:52,119 --> 00:18:54,800 Speaker 1: done that. So anyway, my point is here, we are 284 00:18:55,000 --> 00:18:59,119 Speaker 1: at Disneyland with a gazillion people, and of course we 285 00:18:59,200 --> 00:19:03,520 Speaker 1: have to go right everybody's favorite ride. I think Pirates 286 00:19:03,720 --> 00:19:07,000 Speaker 1: of the Caribbean. You have to do that. So we 287 00:19:07,080 --> 00:19:09,240 Speaker 1: go over to Pirates at the Caribbean. And since it's 288 00:19:09,280 --> 00:19:11,399 Speaker 1: such a popular ride, I mean the line is just 289 00:19:11,520 --> 00:19:13,640 Speaker 1: it's one of those lines just winding back and forth 290 00:19:13,680 --> 00:19:15,879 Speaker 1: and back and forth, and you just like go to 291 00:19:15,920 --> 00:19:19,480 Speaker 1: the bathroom and you prepare yourself. So I don't even 292 00:19:19,520 --> 00:19:22,000 Speaker 1: know how long we stood in this line. And at 293 00:19:22,000 --> 00:19:24,160 Speaker 1: one point when the line was sort of doubled up 294 00:19:24,200 --> 00:19:26,800 Speaker 1: so that we were standing next to other people who 295 00:19:26,800 --> 00:19:30,840 Speaker 1: were somewhere in the line, you know, best separate from 296 00:19:30,920 --> 00:19:35,440 Speaker 1: us a little bit, Laurence says, Josh, look there's chum Lee. 297 00:19:36,040 --> 00:19:38,240 Speaker 1: And I'm like what And I turned and sure enough, 298 00:19:38,840 --> 00:19:43,080 Speaker 1: standing there in this line is Chum Lee from Palm Stars. 299 00:19:43,600 --> 00:19:45,760 Speaker 1: That was the first time I'd ever seen him in person, 300 00:19:46,680 --> 00:19:48,760 Speaker 1: and I just couldn't believe it. I was like, huh, 301 00:19:49,160 --> 00:19:51,520 Speaker 1: that is a while that he's here at this ride 302 00:19:51,600 --> 00:19:54,280 Speaker 1: the same time we're taking this ride. And I could 303 00:19:54,320 --> 00:19:56,639 Speaker 1: have said something to him at that time, but I knew, like, oh, 304 00:19:56,680 --> 00:19:58,720 Speaker 1: this dude's on his vacation away. I don't want to 305 00:19:58,720 --> 00:20:01,080 Speaker 1: bother him. I've never been roll a big at like 306 00:20:01,160 --> 00:20:05,120 Speaker 1: bugging celebrities. I've seen a lot of them living around here, especially, 307 00:20:05,119 --> 00:20:06,159 Speaker 1: and I just, you know, I'm not going to go 308 00:20:06,280 --> 00:20:07,680 Speaker 1: up and mess with them. What do I have to say? 309 00:20:08,600 --> 00:20:11,879 Speaker 1: But the weirdest thing is we stand in line forever 310 00:20:11,960 --> 00:20:15,280 Speaker 1: and then finally when it comes your turn to take 311 00:20:15,320 --> 00:20:18,440 Speaker 1: this ride, a boat comes up and there's only so 312 00:20:18,480 --> 00:20:20,720 Speaker 1: many people that can fit on this little boat, and 313 00:20:20,720 --> 00:20:22,439 Speaker 1: then it goes on and the next one comes up, 314 00:20:22,720 --> 00:20:27,840 Speaker 1: and we ended up on the same boat as chum Lee. 315 00:20:27,920 --> 00:20:30,200 Speaker 1: I don't know how many people each boat holds. I'm 316 00:20:30,200 --> 00:20:32,760 Speaker 1: thinking like twenty or something like that. But I thought, 317 00:20:32,840 --> 00:20:35,399 Speaker 1: what are the odds of all these people in Disney 318 00:20:35,400 --> 00:20:38,840 Speaker 1: World at Disneyland we would end up on the same 319 00:20:38,960 --> 00:20:42,760 Speaker 1: boat as chum Lee for this Pirates of the Caribbean ride. 320 00:20:42,840 --> 00:20:47,359 Speaker 1: Just like, what does that kind of thing mean? I 321 00:20:47,400 --> 00:20:50,360 Speaker 1: don't know. Well, we have talked a lot about synchronicity. 322 00:20:50,440 --> 00:20:52,000 Speaker 1: You make up your own mind on that. But I 323 00:20:52,080 --> 00:20:55,359 Speaker 1: have some kind of an odd connection with these guys 324 00:20:56,000 --> 00:21:00,760 Speaker 1: and this show and now we're in the same town. Okay, 325 00:21:01,520 --> 00:21:04,639 Speaker 1: Now let's move on to the real meat of the story, 326 00:21:04,680 --> 00:21:08,919 Speaker 1: showing you know that I own the Haunted Boulder City 327 00:21:09,119 --> 00:21:14,280 Speaker 1: Ghost and UFO tour and Boulder City, Nevada is a 328 00:21:14,400 --> 00:21:18,320 Speaker 1: thirty minute drive from Las Vegas. I've talked about it 329 00:21:18,359 --> 00:21:23,720 Speaker 1: a lot, and it's the newest walking tour that I've created. 330 00:21:23,840 --> 00:21:27,600 Speaker 1: It's the only paranormal tour and Boulder City. It's been 331 00:21:27,600 --> 00:21:34,040 Speaker 1: a huge success, and we have friends and business partners 332 00:21:34,080 --> 00:21:36,680 Speaker 1: all over the town of Boulder City. Okay, they've been 333 00:21:36,720 --> 00:21:39,080 Speaker 1: so warm and welcoming to us there, and we just 334 00:21:39,160 --> 00:21:45,480 Speaker 1: love Boulder City. And you know, I've got a bunch 335 00:21:45,480 --> 00:21:48,159 Speaker 1: of really cool items that I used to have on 336 00:21:48,200 --> 00:21:51,639 Speaker 1: display in Asheville, But when my museum there got flooded 337 00:21:51,960 --> 00:21:54,320 Speaker 1: and I moved out here, I shipped a lot of 338 00:21:54,320 --> 00:21:58,440 Speaker 1: that stuff out here to Las Vegas, and a lot 339 00:21:58,440 --> 00:22:01,640 Speaker 1: of it's been in storage, and thankfully, you know, none 340 00:22:01,680 --> 00:22:04,679 Speaker 1: of it got stolen. It's now in a more secure 341 00:22:04,760 --> 00:22:07,959 Speaker 1: location than it was. But I've been looking for an 342 00:22:07,960 --> 00:22:10,600 Speaker 1: opportunity to put some of it back on public display. 343 00:22:11,440 --> 00:22:14,720 Speaker 1: And so it's still a little too early for me 344 00:22:14,760 --> 00:22:17,600 Speaker 1: to give you all the details, but there is a 345 00:22:17,720 --> 00:22:24,200 Speaker 1: very prominent, esteemed place in Boulder City that wants to 346 00:22:24,240 --> 00:22:28,600 Speaker 1: put some of my stuff on display. And for example, 347 00:22:28,640 --> 00:22:31,600 Speaker 1: I have a crystal skull, an alien crystal skull that 348 00:22:31,640 --> 00:22:36,040 Speaker 1: will be on display. I have some charred rocks from 349 00:22:36,040 --> 00:22:40,439 Speaker 1: an actual UFO crash site in the Bermuda Triangle in 350 00:22:40,480 --> 00:22:43,840 Speaker 1: Puerto Rico that I picked up with my own hands 351 00:22:43,880 --> 00:22:47,360 Speaker 1: out in the middle of nowhere. I've got some cool 352 00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:53,680 Speaker 1: stuff like that. B See. The funny thing is it's 353 00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:57,760 Speaker 1: hard to find an artifact sometimes that has a connection 354 00:22:57,880 --> 00:23:01,199 Speaker 1: to a particular place. And I kind of put this 355 00:23:01,320 --> 00:23:05,160 Speaker 1: idea out there to the world and to Lauren. I 356 00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:09,600 Speaker 1: am looking for some kind of an object that has 357 00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:13,120 Speaker 1: a mystery attached to it, but would also somehow connect 358 00:23:13,160 --> 00:23:18,760 Speaker 1: to to Boulder City. And I didn't know what that 359 00:23:18,800 --> 00:23:23,199 Speaker 1: could possibly be. Of course, Boulder City was created to 360 00:23:23,280 --> 00:23:27,400 Speaker 1: house the workers for the Hoover Dam, so I thought, 361 00:23:27,400 --> 00:23:29,280 Speaker 1: you know, maybe something to do with the dam. But 362 00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:31,680 Speaker 1: I know what, you know, So I just wasn't sure 363 00:23:31,720 --> 00:23:33,560 Speaker 1: what it was going to be. But I put the 364 00:23:33,600 --> 00:23:37,280 Speaker 1: thought out there, all right, because I figured, you know, 365 00:23:37,280 --> 00:23:40,280 Speaker 1: this would be like maybe a centerpiece for this new display. 366 00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:45,320 Speaker 1: So now within days of me doing this, we're watching 367 00:23:45,359 --> 00:23:49,560 Speaker 1: television and after all these years, the Pawn Stars TV 368 00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:55,679 Speaker 1: show decided to have this spin off show called Pawn 369 00:23:55,800 --> 00:24:00,840 Speaker 1: Stars Do America. So what that means is, instead of 370 00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:04,159 Speaker 1: the guys staying in Vegas as they usually do and 371 00:24:04,280 --> 00:24:07,160 Speaker 1: people coming to them, they decided to hit the road 372 00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:11,920 Speaker 1: and to tour the country. And visit different cities and 373 00:24:12,080 --> 00:24:15,959 Speaker 1: be there for like three days and open up, you know, 374 00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:19,760 Speaker 1: like a big tent or something and then let the community, 375 00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:22,680 Speaker 1: the locals in that area come to them and present stuff. 376 00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:27,280 Speaker 1: So it's very much like the Antiques road Show. So 377 00:24:27,320 --> 00:24:30,640 Speaker 1: it's the same concept as the regular show, except they're 378 00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:33,320 Speaker 1: just doing it, you know, in different places, and I'm 379 00:24:33,320 --> 00:24:37,760 Speaker 1: it's fun. It mixes it up a little bit. So there, 380 00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:40,400 Speaker 1: I think it was. It might have been their first one, 381 00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:46,320 Speaker 1: first or second one. They decided to go to Yorktown, Pennsylvania, 382 00:24:46,480 --> 00:24:49,960 Speaker 1: And of course there's a lot of especially in a 383 00:24:50,080 --> 00:24:54,600 Speaker 1: military and colonial history there in Yorktown, Pennsylvania. So I 384 00:24:54,640 --> 00:25:00,919 Speaker 1: was watching this episode of pond Stars do America, and 385 00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:04,800 Speaker 1: I saw something that immediately caught my eye. Can you 386 00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:09,240 Speaker 1: guess what it may have been? And where this story 387 00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:16,080 Speaker 1: is going to go next when we return. So funny 388 00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:18,480 Speaker 1: how these things you look back and you see how 389 00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:23,000 Speaker 1: they fall into place. I'm Joshua pe Warren. You're listening 390 00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:27,040 Speaker 1: to Strange Things on the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast. 391 00:25:27,040 --> 00:25:31,200 Speaker 1: I am heir a normal podcast network. I'll be back 392 00:25:31,240 --> 00:26:11,439 Speaker 1: after these important messages. Welcome back to Strange Things on 393 00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:16,560 Speaker 1: the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast sam Parinormal Podcast Network. 394 00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:19,399 Speaker 1: I'm your host, Joshua wa Pete Warren, and this is 395 00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:26,640 Speaker 1: the show where the unusual becomes usual. Here we are 396 00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:30,600 Speaker 1: watching pond Stars do America. And at one point in 397 00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:37,680 Speaker 1: the show, Chum Lee, of all people, decides to take 398 00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:43,920 Speaker 1: a little sort of side trip within the episode with 399 00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:48,359 Speaker 1: one of his Picker friends to go to this small 400 00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:55,080 Speaker 1: town in Pennsylvania called Sellersville and visit this antique store, 401 00:26:55,280 --> 00:27:01,400 Speaker 1: which I believe was called Pickers Junction. And so he 402 00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:04,760 Speaker 1: goes in there to presumably, you know, to try to 403 00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:11,200 Speaker 1: find something that they can resell, which is actually not 404 00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:14,880 Speaker 1: that realistic, I don't think, because I think a lot 405 00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:17,800 Speaker 1: of times people who buy and sell things like that 406 00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:22,000 Speaker 1: for a living, they prefer to buy from individuals because 407 00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:23,960 Speaker 1: they can get a better deal. You know, if you 408 00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:28,520 Speaker 1: deal with another dealer, then it's everybody. Everybody kind of 409 00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:30,800 Speaker 1: knows the game here, and it's a little harder to 410 00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:35,000 Speaker 1: negotiate perhaps, but anyway, that's just my opinion. So anyway, 411 00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:38,359 Speaker 1: they're walking around and they're looking at stuff, and of 412 00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:43,399 Speaker 1: course I'm very interested in what they're gonna show on TV. 413 00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:46,840 Speaker 1: What kind of items they're finding. And at one point 414 00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:56,200 Speaker 1: they stop next to this old fashioned wheelchair and Chumley 415 00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:58,679 Speaker 1: he flips over a tag or something like that and 416 00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:05,240 Speaker 1: it says used by Franklin D. Roosevelt for the nineteen 417 00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:09,840 Speaker 1: thirty two Democratic Convention. Okay, like something to that effect, 418 00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:16,280 Speaker 1: and they have a little um conversation about it, and 419 00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:20,800 Speaker 1: but then Chumley he just moves on to other stuff. 420 00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:25,560 Speaker 1: And I was like, well, that's amazing. I would buy that. 421 00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:31,119 Speaker 1: That's I mean, to me, anything presidential is something I 422 00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:33,960 Speaker 1: would like to have in my collection, unless it's a 423 00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:37,840 Speaker 1: president I really didn't like, you know, been a historical 424 00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:41,440 Speaker 1: president where we're kind of removed from from some of 425 00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:45,120 Speaker 1: the emotions. Um. You know, I'm always interested in that. 426 00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:50,280 Speaker 1: And I just thought that is a really intriguing item 427 00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:53,360 Speaker 1: to pass up, because, you know, here's the thing about 428 00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:58,480 Speaker 1: President Franklin D. Roosevelt. He was notable for a number 429 00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:02,760 Speaker 1: of reasons. For one thing, he was the only president 430 00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:09,040 Speaker 1: to serve four terms. He was in there around twelve years, 431 00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:14,920 Speaker 1: and before he was president, there was no law restricting 432 00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:18,400 Speaker 1: someone for running for president as many times as he 433 00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:21,920 Speaker 1: or she wanted. The tradition was just to do it 434 00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:25,080 Speaker 1: for two terms, and nobody had ever won more than 435 00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:30,000 Speaker 1: two terms. But after he won four terms because of that, 436 00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:32,440 Speaker 1: that was when politicians got together and said, you know what, 437 00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:35,840 Speaker 1: maybe we don't want that to happen again. That could 438 00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:39,800 Speaker 1: lead to somebody becoming like the permanent president of this country. 439 00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:42,840 Speaker 1: And so they passed the twenty second Amendment, which said 440 00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:47,800 Speaker 1: that you cannot be elected president more than twice. So 441 00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:51,239 Speaker 1: he was the only president to serve four terms. He 442 00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:54,680 Speaker 1: also was the president who led us through the Great 443 00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:59,800 Speaker 1: Depression and then through most of World War Two. I mean, 444 00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:06,440 Speaker 1: huge challenges, and to this day there's debate over, you know, 445 00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:08,760 Speaker 1: how he handled those things, if he should have done 446 00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:12,280 Speaker 1: things differently. But what made it even more amazing is 447 00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:16,640 Speaker 1: that when he was an adult, he got polio, and 448 00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:21,240 Speaker 1: so he spent much of his adulthood in a wheelchair. 449 00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:23,400 Speaker 1: Occasionally they would give him some braces so he could 450 00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:26,000 Speaker 1: stand up for photo ops, but he was usually in 451 00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:28,760 Speaker 1: a wheelchair, and they didn't want him photographed so much 452 00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:30,760 Speaker 1: in a wheelchair, So the wheelchair thing was kind of 453 00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:36,800 Speaker 1: kept like a more secretive part of the culture around him. 454 00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:39,040 Speaker 1: And you know what, I didn't realize this. I was 455 00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:42,200 Speaker 1: looking it up the other day. He died when he 456 00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:46,480 Speaker 1: was only sixty three years old. I believe he looked 457 00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:48,760 Speaker 1: a lot older, but I'm sure that's what being going 458 00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:52,440 Speaker 1: through all that will do to you best. I recall 459 00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:55,880 Speaker 1: he was posing. This was nineteen forty five. He was 460 00:30:55,960 --> 00:31:00,680 Speaker 1: posing for a portrait and he said all of as said, 461 00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:05,680 Speaker 1: I have a terrific headache. And then a long after 462 00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:09,520 Speaker 1: that he slumped over and turns out he'd had like 463 00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:14,960 Speaker 1: a massive brain hemorrhage, and he died, you know, shortly thereafter. 464 00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:21,560 Speaker 1: But yeah, sixty three. But nonetheless, you know, he was 465 00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:24,160 Speaker 1: just a very, like I said, a significant part of 466 00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:28,240 Speaker 1: world history. And that kind of stuck in my head, 467 00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:31,280 Speaker 1: and I thought, what an interesting thing. You know, I 468 00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:34,600 Speaker 1: would have probably bought that, you know, But then you know, 469 00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:37,960 Speaker 1: the show moved on and I kind of forgot about 470 00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:42,400 Speaker 1: it a little bit. So later that evening, I mean 471 00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:47,920 Speaker 1: like maybe an hour and a half after that, Lauren said, hey, Josh, look, 472 00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:51,400 Speaker 1: she was just clicking through the channels. I think I'd 473 00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:53,360 Speaker 1: gone to the kitchen for something, and I came back 474 00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:58,400 Speaker 1: and there was a local TV channel and it was 475 00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:03,720 Speaker 1: showing footage, old black and white footage from the dedication 476 00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:07,520 Speaker 1: of the Hoover Dam and guests who is standing there 477 00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:13,800 Speaker 1: speaking President Franklin D. Roosevelt. And I found this old 478 00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:18,200 Speaker 1: newspaper clipping and it says that he dedicated the dam 479 00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:22,760 Speaker 1: on September thirtieth of nineteen thirty five, with an estimated 480 00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:29,360 Speaker 1: twenty thousand people witnessing and millions hearing his remarks broadcast 481 00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:33,800 Speaker 1: all over the great radio networks in the country. Said 482 00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:36,960 Speaker 1: the presidential party left the special train at Boulder City 483 00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:40,320 Speaker 1: promptly at nine thirty in the morning and sped out 484 00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:44,360 Speaker 1: the highway leading to the top of the dam. So 485 00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:50,560 Speaker 1: and I said, by golly, that's it. I wonder if 486 00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:53,680 Speaker 1: there's some energy attached to that wheelchair. And I thought 487 00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:55,960 Speaker 1: there's no way though, that I'm going to be able 488 00:32:55,960 --> 00:32:58,320 Speaker 1: to get that wheelchair, because it was just on the 489 00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:01,720 Speaker 1: History channel. How many people saw that wheelchair, you know. 490 00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:06,080 Speaker 1: So I was like, don't get your hopes up, mister Warren, right, 491 00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:10,120 Speaker 1: But it just felt like I'm supposed to have this wheelchair. 492 00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:16,160 Speaker 1: So the next morning, bright and early, I called this 493 00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:20,760 Speaker 1: shop and I got the owner on the phone and 494 00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:24,200 Speaker 1: I said, I don't suppose you still have that wheelchair, 495 00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:28,560 Speaker 1: do you? And she said well, yeah, as a matter 496 00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:31,120 Speaker 1: of fact, we do still have it. And my jaw 497 00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:37,280 Speaker 1: hit the floor and I said, how much is it now? 498 00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:38,920 Speaker 1: I'm not going to tell you what she told me, 499 00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:44,800 Speaker 1: but I thought, you know what, I want it. It's perfect. 500 00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:48,560 Speaker 1: I feel drawn to it. I said, you know, i'll 501 00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:52,720 Speaker 1: take it. I'll take it. And I don't even think 502 00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:54,800 Speaker 1: I negotiated with her. I just said I'll take it. 503 00:33:55,600 --> 00:33:59,240 Speaker 1: And so she goes, I said, can I buy it 504 00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:03,000 Speaker 1: over the phone? She goes, yeah, but you know, how 505 00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:04,360 Speaker 1: are you going to get it? Because I told her 506 00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:06,120 Speaker 1: I was in Vegas And I said, well, can you 507 00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:09,920 Speaker 1: ship it to me? And she goes no, And I 508 00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:12,120 Speaker 1: was like, well, um, you know, what do you mean, 509 00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:15,359 Speaker 1: like I can pay for shipping. She goes, we don't. 510 00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:17,640 Speaker 1: We We've we've done that kind of thing before. And 511 00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:20,960 Speaker 1: she said, it's just when it comes to stuff that's 512 00:34:21,680 --> 00:34:25,000 Speaker 1: big and kind of bulky and awkward like this, especially 513 00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:28,400 Speaker 1: since it's old and delicate. She goes, we just don't 514 00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:31,920 Speaker 1: take the time and the effort to pack up stuff 515 00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:33,839 Speaker 1: like this and ship it. We just don't do that. 516 00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:38,719 Speaker 1: So she wasn't even open to, like, you know, give 517 00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:40,480 Speaker 1: me a million dollars and I'll do it. You know. 518 00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:43,600 Speaker 1: She was just like, no, we don't do that. And 519 00:34:43,640 --> 00:34:46,040 Speaker 1: I said, all right, fine, I will figure out how 520 00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:49,879 Speaker 1: to get the thing here. So I would have had 521 00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:54,200 Speaker 1: at least bought it over the phone. And I said, um, 522 00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:56,960 Speaker 1: can you, you know, can you hang onto it for 523 00:34:57,080 --> 00:34:59,239 Speaker 1: me for a certain amount of time while I figure 524 00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:02,040 Speaker 1: out how I'm want to get it? And she said sure. Yeah. 525 00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:04,600 Speaker 1: She was real nice about everything. So I got off 526 00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:06,560 Speaker 1: the phone. I'm sitting there, I'm like racking my brains. 527 00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:09,480 Speaker 1: First off, I'm excited that I have this thing. And 528 00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:13,520 Speaker 1: we talked about the provenance and as a matter of fact, 529 00:35:13,600 --> 00:35:20,560 Speaker 1: it has a label on it that says um presented 530 00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:27,200 Speaker 1: by the Tonton Kiwanis Club and again used to transport 531 00:35:27,239 --> 00:35:31,400 Speaker 1: President FDR during the nineteen thirty two Democratic Convention in Chicago. 532 00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:33,520 Speaker 1: I know you're thinking, like, what, Josh, how do you 533 00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:36,759 Speaker 1: know that this is real? Look, I I've already got 534 00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:39,440 Speaker 1: that thing that I have some of the best historians 535 00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:41,480 Speaker 1: that are working on all the provenance. I've been in 536 00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:47,120 Speaker 1: touch with the Kiwanis. I mean, trust me, things things 537 00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:49,600 Speaker 1: are looking good in that department, all right. I don't 538 00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:52,400 Speaker 1: have a picture of him sitting in the chair. I 539 00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:55,879 Speaker 1: don't think, but you know, it's it's hard. We're still 540 00:35:55,880 --> 00:35:59,080 Speaker 1: looking there. It's hard to find pictures of him in wheelchairs. 541 00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:03,120 Speaker 1: But anyway, I feel very good about it. And the 542 00:36:03,160 --> 00:36:06,760 Speaker 1: person she got it from has a good track record. 543 00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:11,879 Speaker 1: So back to my challenge, how do I get this thing? 544 00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:14,880 Speaker 1: And I started racking my brain and then it's like 545 00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:18,920 Speaker 1: a light bulb went off and I thought, Dean Worsing, 546 00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:22,319 Speaker 1: my buddy, Dean Worsing. How often do I bring up 547 00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:25,239 Speaker 1: his name on this show all the time? I said, Dean, 548 00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:28,480 Speaker 1: I bet kind of sort of lives in that direction, 549 00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:33,040 Speaker 1: because Dean lives in Maryland. And so I got on 550 00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:36,839 Speaker 1: Maryland and I got online and I looked it up 551 00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:38,759 Speaker 1: and I saw that it was like an hour and 552 00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:42,919 Speaker 1: a half from Dean's house. So I called up Dean. 553 00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:45,279 Speaker 1: This is like a Saturday morning, and I explained to 554 00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:49,600 Speaker 1: him what was going on. And I said, Dean, old buddy, opal, 555 00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:55,040 Speaker 1: what are the chances that you could go and get 556 00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:57,319 Speaker 1: this thing for me and then we'll figure out, you know, 557 00:36:57,480 --> 00:36:59,520 Speaker 1: how you can get it to me? And he was 558 00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:02,560 Speaker 1: like done, dude. He's like this sounds fun. He's a 559 00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:06,200 Speaker 1: big fan of Palm Stars as well. But he's also 560 00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:09,920 Speaker 1: just a history buff and he's he loves old things, 561 00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:12,239 Speaker 1: and this is like right up his alley. He said, 562 00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:14,400 Speaker 1: he's talking about his wife and he goes Ann and 563 00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:17,000 Speaker 1: I we've been needing a good road trip anyway. That's 564 00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:20,400 Speaker 1: beautiful country. And he was just like totally psyched to 565 00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:24,600 Speaker 1: do this. And I could not have had a better person. 566 00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:28,080 Speaker 1: I mean, talk about all the little pieces falling in 567 00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:32,960 Speaker 1: into place. Dean drives out there like the next day 568 00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:37,560 Speaker 1: or two, gets this thing, takes it back to his house. 569 00:37:37,640 --> 00:37:40,200 Speaker 1: When we come back from this break, I'll tell you 570 00:37:40,719 --> 00:37:45,960 Speaker 1: what happened that lets me know it's haunted. I'm Joshua 571 00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:48,920 Speaker 1: Pee Warren. You're listening to Strange Things on the I 572 00:37:49,080 --> 00:37:53,560 Speaker 1: Heart Radio and Coast to Coast damn pamin Normal Podcast Network. 573 00:37:54,360 --> 00:38:32,000 Speaker 1: I will be all right back and welcome back to 574 00:38:32,040 --> 00:38:36,080 Speaker 1: the final segment of this edition of Strange Things on 575 00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:39,960 Speaker 1: the iHeart Radio and Coast to Coast am PARA Normal 576 00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:45,680 Speaker 1: podcast Network. I am your host, Joshua Pee Warren, and 577 00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:52,280 Speaker 1: Dean Warsing is the most personable person on the planet. 578 00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:57,760 Speaker 1: Dean and his wife and both are just so nice 579 00:38:57,800 --> 00:39:01,120 Speaker 1: and charming and wonderful and reliable. Their whole families like that, 580 00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:05,600 Speaker 1: they're kids. And Dean was just like, yeah, I will 581 00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:07,920 Speaker 1: go get that thing for you. He was excited about it. 582 00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:11,239 Speaker 1: So he and Anne they took their road trip. They 583 00:39:11,239 --> 00:39:14,919 Speaker 1: went to Sellersville. They enjoyed themselves. I think they even 584 00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:19,880 Speaker 1: bought some goodies for themselves, loaded up this wheelchair without 585 00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:24,360 Speaker 1: a problem, and took it right back to the safety 586 00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:31,719 Speaker 1: of his home. And Dean is also an artist. I 587 00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:33,799 Speaker 1: guess he's okay with me saying. He does a lot 588 00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:38,040 Speaker 1: of things right now. He's especially focusing on pottery, but 589 00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:41,799 Speaker 1: he takes a lot of care when it comes to 590 00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:46,560 Speaker 1: you know, just items that craftsmanship, and like he's the 591 00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:48,360 Speaker 1: kind of guy that you want to be the caretaker 592 00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:54,879 Speaker 1: of something historic like this. So this was back, I guess, 593 00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:57,840 Speaker 1: around the holidays, and so everybody was kind of busy, 594 00:39:57,840 --> 00:39:59,360 Speaker 1: and so he just kind of kept it for a 595 00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:04,480 Speaker 1: little while and finally we figured out the best way 596 00:40:04,520 --> 00:40:06,560 Speaker 1: for him to for him to ship it to me. 597 00:40:06,640 --> 00:40:11,239 Speaker 1: You know, it can be done, and so, uh, he 598 00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:14,040 Speaker 1: actually took the wheels off of it. He did just 599 00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:17,920 Speaker 1: some a very slight disassembly to make it easier to ship. 600 00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:22,600 Speaker 1: But anyway, and it was expensive to ship, but hey, 601 00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:25,279 Speaker 1: it was worth it. So he got it out here 602 00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:29,720 Speaker 1: to Las Vegas safe and sound. This gigantic box arrived 603 00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:32,719 Speaker 1: and I opened it up and there it was, and 604 00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:35,400 Speaker 1: it just it was so weird to have, you know, 605 00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:40,640 Speaker 1: seen this thing on the History Channel, and I've even 606 00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:42,880 Speaker 1: got the still of it, you know, from the TV, 607 00:40:43,160 --> 00:40:45,880 Speaker 1: and now here it is in my house. It's just like, 608 00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:48,600 Speaker 1: it's crazy, how that can happen. It was meant to be. 609 00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:52,960 Speaker 1: Thank you, Deane and An. I'm telling you that was 610 00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:55,920 Speaker 1: just you guys. Were you saved the day you were. 611 00:40:55,960 --> 00:40:59,360 Speaker 1: You were perfectly poised to get that thing in my hands. 612 00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:04,680 Speaker 1: All right. So Lauren, she actually she's the one who's 613 00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:07,799 Speaker 1: good with her hands in the Warren family, and so 614 00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:12,040 Speaker 1: she reassembled it, Okay, she put the wheels back on it, 615 00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:18,160 Speaker 1: and it is now sitting in my living room where 616 00:41:18,200 --> 00:41:22,719 Speaker 1: my Christmas tree was last year. All right. So I'm 617 00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:24,920 Speaker 1: sort of in awe as I sit there and I 618 00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:28,840 Speaker 1: see this wheelchair, and again all the historical research is 619 00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:34,399 Speaker 1: happening as I speak. But I have no doubt, no 620 00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:38,759 Speaker 1: doubt about its history. And I'll tell you why. We 621 00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:43,239 Speaker 1: had had it for about oh, three days, I guess. 622 00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:50,400 Speaker 1: And one evening we were getting ready for bed, and 623 00:41:50,760 --> 00:41:53,040 Speaker 1: but I still had some lights on in the house, 624 00:41:53,239 --> 00:41:55,960 Speaker 1: so the lights were not super bright. They were kind 625 00:41:55,960 --> 00:42:00,560 Speaker 1: of dim, but I mean you could see things fine. Lauren. 626 00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:03,239 Speaker 1: I wasn't sure where she was in the house at 627 00:42:03,239 --> 00:42:05,120 Speaker 1: this point, you know, yeah, we're kind of running around 628 00:42:05,200 --> 00:42:08,600 Speaker 1: getting everything prepared. So I came down the stairs and 629 00:42:08,680 --> 00:42:12,480 Speaker 1: I glanced over, and what do I see, to my shock, 630 00:42:15,080 --> 00:42:21,560 Speaker 1: Lauren sitting in this antique wheelchair, which you should never do. 631 00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:26,480 Speaker 1: And then I realized And of course, at first it 632 00:42:26,520 --> 00:42:28,480 Speaker 1: freaked me out. I was like, what Lauren, get out 633 00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:32,680 Speaker 1: of that? And then I realized that's not Lauren. I 634 00:42:32,840 --> 00:42:36,439 Speaker 1: jumped to the conclusion that it was Lauren because it 635 00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:39,280 Speaker 1: was just, you know, a form of a person sitting 636 00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:45,160 Speaker 1: in the wheelchair. And that's why immediately I thought, well, 637 00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:48,400 Speaker 1: Lauren's the only other person in this house. Lauren's in 638 00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:52,080 Speaker 1: the wheelchair. She's gonna damage this wheelchair. And I see 639 00:42:52,120 --> 00:42:55,360 Speaker 1: this person and it's just a figure, kind of a 640 00:42:55,400 --> 00:42:58,640 Speaker 1: hazy figure as my eyes sort of like focus in 641 00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:04,160 Speaker 1: and then it disappears, and that's when I go, oh, my, 642 00:43:05,120 --> 00:43:08,040 Speaker 1: and there it is, folks, the goose bumps, the hair 643 00:43:08,120 --> 00:43:14,040 Speaker 1: stands up on the arms, and I say, WHOA, I 644 00:43:14,080 --> 00:43:21,120 Speaker 1: just saw what I believe to be a ghost. And 645 00:43:21,520 --> 00:43:28,280 Speaker 1: maybe it's my imagination, but once I realized that wasn't Lauren, 646 00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:35,000 Speaker 1: it sure seemed a lot like the profile cut by 647 00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:39,320 Speaker 1: one Franklin D. Roosevelt. Now can I I won't swear 648 00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:44,279 Speaker 1: to that that it was him, but oh boy, was 649 00:43:44,320 --> 00:43:49,520 Speaker 1: there a form sitting in that wheelchair. And that's when 650 00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:53,360 Speaker 1: I was like, Lauren. Lauren, she was in a whole 651 00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:55,920 Speaker 1: separate part of the house. And when she came over, 652 00:43:56,080 --> 00:43:58,759 Speaker 1: she was like, what, why you know? And I told her, 653 00:43:58,760 --> 00:44:01,839 Speaker 1: I was like, why, just keep your eye on this wheelchair, right, 654 00:44:02,520 --> 00:44:05,440 Speaker 1: And we waited. We waited, and we waited, and nothing reappeared. 655 00:44:07,640 --> 00:44:11,799 Speaker 1: So now I have cameras all over my house. But 656 00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:14,520 Speaker 1: I'll get back to that in a minute. Okay, I 657 00:44:14,520 --> 00:44:18,400 Speaker 1: don't have cameras like inside every room. It's all My 658 00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:25,960 Speaker 1: cameras are like on the periphery. They're security cameras. So anyway, 659 00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:29,399 Speaker 1: I'm running out of time, so let me just tell 660 00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:33,840 Speaker 1: you that. Oh maybe about a week after we had it, 661 00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:38,600 Speaker 1: I came downstairs one day and Lauren, I looked over, 662 00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:41,560 Speaker 1: and Lauren goes, look at the wheelchair, and I look, 663 00:44:41,600 --> 00:44:44,480 Speaker 1: I turned over, turned my head in that direction, and 664 00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:49,480 Speaker 1: as I told you, the wheelchair right now it is 665 00:44:49,480 --> 00:44:54,719 Speaker 1: sitting where the Christmas tree was, and so everything is 666 00:44:54,760 --> 00:44:58,200 Speaker 1: positioned just so you know, in our house. Lauren's very 667 00:44:58,239 --> 00:45:01,239 Speaker 1: good at that, like the fung shui being balanced. The 668 00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:05,960 Speaker 1: wheelchair had moved, I would say, I believe I measured 669 00:45:05,960 --> 00:45:08,480 Speaker 1: it and it was like between ten and thirteen inches 670 00:45:08,560 --> 00:45:14,160 Speaker 1: is what we figured. It had rolled somehow. Now I 671 00:45:14,239 --> 00:45:17,800 Speaker 1: have a lot of delicate, fragile stuff in my house 672 00:45:18,280 --> 00:45:21,640 Speaker 1: and nothing else had moved. Nothing else has ever moved, 673 00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:26,839 Speaker 1: and on at least two or three occasions, this wheelchair 674 00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:32,040 Speaker 1: has rolled to a different spot on its own. And 675 00:45:32,160 --> 00:45:36,400 Speaker 1: Laurence says, Josh, get the emf meters. Let's put a 676 00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:38,759 Speaker 1: camera on this thing. And she's like, what are you know? 677 00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:42,279 Speaker 1: What are you waiting for? And I told her, I said, look, 678 00:45:42,520 --> 00:45:46,640 Speaker 1: I want to get this captured just as much as anybody, 679 00:45:46,680 --> 00:45:51,880 Speaker 1: but I have to give you a cautionary till because 680 00:45:52,040 --> 00:45:56,320 Speaker 1: when I got Carvill the alien Art Bell's Alien, everybody 681 00:45:56,440 --> 00:46:01,040 Speaker 1: said that Carvill would move on his own, especially at night. 682 00:46:02,040 --> 00:46:06,520 Speaker 1: And the first night I got Carville. He apparently moved 683 00:46:07,080 --> 00:46:11,319 Speaker 1: because I went into the room the next day and 684 00:46:11,719 --> 00:46:13,759 Speaker 1: this is, you know, you're talking about like a five 685 00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:18,839 Speaker 1: foot tall, hundred pound wooden statue had shifted positions. It 686 00:46:18,880 --> 00:46:23,319 Speaker 1: was pretty astounding, and at that point I thought, Wow, 687 00:46:23,360 --> 00:46:26,680 Speaker 1: this thing really does move, and so immediately I started 688 00:46:26,719 --> 00:46:31,360 Speaker 1: putting cameras on him, and he never moved again. So 689 00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:34,120 Speaker 1: I know that sounds silly to be like some of 690 00:46:34,120 --> 00:46:37,040 Speaker 1: these things are camera shy, but it reminds me of 691 00:46:37,600 --> 00:46:42,440 Speaker 1: like the Heisenberg uncertainty principle that once you start observing something, 692 00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:48,319 Speaker 1: the thing changes because it's being observed. It's similar to 693 00:46:48,360 --> 00:46:50,680 Speaker 1: what we see when we look at like the double 694 00:46:50,760 --> 00:46:55,440 Speaker 1: slit experiment and quantum physics, that a particle behaves either 695 00:46:55,600 --> 00:46:58,360 Speaker 1: as or an energy behaves as a particle or a 696 00:46:58,400 --> 00:47:02,880 Speaker 1: wave depending on how it's being observed. And I was 697 00:47:02,920 --> 00:47:06,920 Speaker 1: afraid that I would I would repeat the mistake with 698 00:47:07,080 --> 00:47:09,359 Speaker 1: the wheelchair that I did with Carvill. I said, look, 699 00:47:10,640 --> 00:47:13,640 Speaker 1: let's just let it do its thing for a while 700 00:47:15,400 --> 00:47:19,520 Speaker 1: and then I'll finally, you know, we'll record as much 701 00:47:19,520 --> 00:47:22,040 Speaker 1: as that as we can, and then I'll put the 702 00:47:22,080 --> 00:47:24,839 Speaker 1: cameras and the instruments on it and then we'll see 703 00:47:24,840 --> 00:47:28,799 Speaker 1: what happens. And you know, it's not going anywhere. We 704 00:47:28,880 --> 00:47:31,160 Speaker 1: have all the time in the world, so right now 705 00:47:31,760 --> 00:47:34,560 Speaker 1: we're just not messing with it. We're letting it sit there. 706 00:47:35,680 --> 00:47:40,919 Speaker 1: We're not doing any special scientific work studying it. Right now, 707 00:47:41,200 --> 00:47:46,480 Speaker 1: we're just having our own human experiences with it. But 708 00:47:46,719 --> 00:47:49,879 Speaker 1: very soon I'm going to switch over to phase two, 709 00:47:50,280 --> 00:47:52,040 Speaker 1: which is where I'm going to put the camera on it. 710 00:47:52,560 --> 00:47:55,279 Speaker 1: I'm going to break out all the instrumentation. It's going 711 00:47:55,360 --> 00:47:58,600 Speaker 1: to totally change the whole vibe around it. And then 712 00:47:58,640 --> 00:48:02,120 Speaker 1: I'm going to do that because I want to say 713 00:48:02,120 --> 00:48:06,200 Speaker 1: that I have experienced it in all these different ways before. Finally, 714 00:48:06,280 --> 00:48:10,080 Speaker 1: this thing is going to go on display on public 715 00:48:10,120 --> 00:48:15,680 Speaker 1: display in Boulder City, Nevada, with all the information attached 716 00:48:15,719 --> 00:48:19,920 Speaker 1: to it, and thousands of people from all over the 717 00:48:19,920 --> 00:48:22,640 Speaker 1: world are going to see it and my other stuff, 718 00:48:22,800 --> 00:48:27,120 Speaker 1: and I will keep you updated on how that process proceeds. 719 00:48:27,680 --> 00:48:29,919 Speaker 1: That is where we are right now. And I told 720 00:48:29,960 --> 00:48:32,040 Speaker 1: you I didn't know this was the story would take 721 00:48:32,120 --> 00:48:34,959 Speaker 1: up the whole podcast, but I think you can see 722 00:48:35,040 --> 00:48:37,799 Speaker 1: it was worth it. And that is how I have 723 00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:47,360 Speaker 1: obtained my newest, most amazing item Franklin d Roosevelt's Haunted Wheelchair. Okay, 724 00:48:48,360 --> 00:48:50,479 Speaker 1: Tim to end the show. You know what happens. Now, 725 00:48:50,719 --> 00:48:54,200 Speaker 1: take a deep breath, relax if you can, and close 726 00:48:54,280 --> 00:49:00,960 Speaker 1: your eyes. Ah. Yes, let's all meditate on the good 727 00:49:01,040 --> 00:49:28,440 Speaker 1: fortune tone. That's it for this edition of the show. 728 00:49:28,640 --> 00:49:32,800 Speaker 1: Follow me on Twitter at Joshua pee Warren, plus visit 729 00:49:32,920 --> 00:49:36,000 Speaker 1: Joshua Peewarren dot com to sign up from my free 730 00:49:36,080 --> 00:49:40,680 Speaker 1: e newsletter to receive a free instant gift, and check 731 00:49:40,680 --> 00:49:43,839 Speaker 1: out the cool stuff and the Curiosity shop all at 732 00:49:43,920 --> 00:49:47,399 Speaker 1: Joshua Peewarren dot com. I have a fun one lined 733 00:49:47,480 --> 00:49:51,000 Speaker 1: up for you next time, I promise. 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