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Speaker 3: Welcome back to another episode of Beyond Contact. I am
Speaker 3: Captain Ron, and today we will be speaking with Ross Washerman.
Speaker 3: Ross is a writer, producer, director, and editor. He earned
Speaker 3: his BA from Yale University and his MFA from USC
Speaker 3: School of Cinematic Arts, where he was the recipient of
Speaker 3: the Annenberg Fellowship. He has also directed two award winning films,
Speaker 3: Ascension and Emotional Vacation. Ascension is about this phenomenon. He
Speaker 3: is also an AI entrepreneur, a songwriter, the host of
Speaker 3: a new podcast called Do It Yourself Disclosure DIY Disclosure
Speaker 3: just got started. I think he's not about four episodes.
Speaker 3: We'll talk about that with him today. Hey, Ross, welcome
Speaker 3: to the show.
Speaker 4: Oh, such a pleasure to be here. Thanks for having me.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, brother, we were just talking. I didn't get a
Speaker 3: chance to hang out with you much at Contact At
Speaker 3: Contact in the Desert twenty twenty four. Was that your
Speaker 3: first time speaking at a UFO conference.
Speaker 4: Yes, it was, and I'm so grateful to have been there.
Speaker 4: It was actually one of the peak experiences of my life.
Speaker 4: I've had a lot of exciting experiences, but you know,
Speaker 4: for me, it was just a wonderful thing on so
Speaker 4: many levels. And I was really grateful to be there
Speaker 4: and to do some lecturing and panels, and to get
Speaker 4: to meet a lot of my heroes and friends that
Speaker 4: I have only read, you know, the books of or
Speaker 4: talked with online face to face. So yeah, it was
Speaker 4: pretty pretty exciting for me. Also, you know, bringing sort
Speaker 4: of my two favorite worlds together, which is the art
Speaker 4: and entertainment world with very investigative approach to trying to
Speaker 4: understand what is going on in our reality with the
Speaker 4: phenomena and things associated with it. So, yeah, it was
Speaker 4: a great time and it was also the beautiful resort.
Speaker 4: What was there not to like? It was great?
Speaker 3: Is the answer? Exactly?
Speaker 1: Brother.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a great compliment you You did a great
Speaker 3: job in your lecture, and there's nothing like being there
Speaker 3: in person, right, You get to interact with these guys,
Speaker 3: You get to get direct feedback from other attendees that
Speaker 3: share our curiosity to these these topics, right.
Speaker 4: Yes, I mean in my mind was blown every day.
Speaker 4: It was these one on one conversations you know, by
Speaker 4: the bar, by the pool, coming out of the lecture halls.
Speaker 4: And then also grateful to be able to sort of
Speaker 4: hang out with some people like in the sort of
Speaker 4: after party setting, some of these legends. I don't know
Speaker 4: if I should name them all, but to hear them
Speaker 4: in private also sort of sharing their insights and experiences
Speaker 4: and research, you know, these these cutting edge things we're
Speaker 4: not even allowed to talk about publicly until maybe recently.
Speaker 4: So yeah, I've learned so much. I made so many
Speaker 4: new friends, and that's, you know, part of why I
Speaker 4: got the podcast going, so I could sort of deepen
Speaker 4: those relationships and continue to loose them all of their
Speaker 4: their brilliance and information.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, that is actually the best part when you get
Speaker 3: to talent to peop because there are some things that
Speaker 3: some of these researchers can or won't say on stage
Speaker 3: necessarily because maybe they haven't flushed it out completely yet,
Speaker 3: maybe they're still working on a new idea, but they
Speaker 3: might you know, have that conversation with you privately, which
Speaker 3: is kind of a funnest part in the conferences to me.
Speaker 3: All right, I want to start off and see where
Speaker 3: you sit on the UFO topic, Like what are your
Speaker 3: thoughts on what you think is happening? Obviously none of
Speaker 3: us know, but do you have a guest or inclination
Speaker 3: as to what you think is going on?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I have some guestimations in many working theories, as
Speaker 4: a lot of us do. My philosophy, which is what
Speaker 4: I lectured on, you know, as it pertains to ufology,
Speaker 4: was my main focus while at the conference. It's about
Speaker 4: answering that question of how to find and share as
Speaker 4: much truth as possible until the point of death and
Speaker 4: there beyond should the opportunity present itself. For for me,
Speaker 4: it was, you know, I've been trying to just look
Speaker 4: into what is going on, like like all of us are,
Speaker 4: and so, you know, there's lots of data points, there's
Speaker 4: lots of clues. You know, how do you how do
Speaker 4: you investigate something that is so much bigger than yourself,
Speaker 4: seems seemingly investigating you back on a much you know,
Speaker 4: higher level of intelligence, you know. Plane, So I started
Speaker 4: getting philosophical trying to figure out how can you look
Speaker 4: into these things as opposed to rushing straight to theories
Speaker 4: or assumptions like a lot of people have. So because
Speaker 4: of that, you know, I don't really have many beliefs
Speaker 4: on it. I'm taking primarily from a scientific perspective. However,
Speaker 4: that feel's necessary to update the idea of science, to
Speaker 4: expand it past you know what. Our mutual friend Seve
Speaker 4: Bessett refers to it as the limitations of the truth embargo.
Speaker 4: The things that you know in scientists and Acadaemi and
Speaker 4: session work, we were encouraged not to think about too
Speaker 4: much or take too seriously, and most of those things
Speaker 4: lead to consciousness. The conference with that in the title
Speaker 4: not a coincidence either. One of my working main theories
Speaker 4: consciousness is indeed the whole thing, or at least the
Speaker 4: connective tissue between all things, and it is the bridge
Speaker 4: between science and spirituality, and I think we need to
Speaker 4: sort of in general terms, broaden these categories and bring
Speaker 4: everything in into a much more holistic approach into how
Speaker 4: to look into all these things.
Speaker 3: Now, I think that that is actually really well framed.
Speaker 3: I like it a lot. I like that you're coming
Speaker 3: from the scientific point, and I'm like that you don't
Speaker 3: know what it is, because I think that's the only
Speaker 3: place we can be. And the more people seem to
Speaker 3: know what's going on, the less I tend to believe them,
Speaker 3: because it's very difficult to know such a complex array
Speaker 3: that we're dealing with, you know, I mean, this is
Speaker 3: a complex issue, and you know I my lane where
Speaker 3: I live is the more and more you look into this,
Speaker 3: the more I feel it warn't scientific investigation because there's
Speaker 3: clearly something happening here, and we need to get more
Speaker 3: AVVI lobes and more people like that involved, and more
Speaker 3: people like yourself looking at this from an objective scientific
Speaker 3: standpoint to see if we can't narrow down what is
Speaker 3: going on.
Speaker 4: Yes, indeed, I mean I think in my view, science
Speaker 4: is everything, just like consciousness is everything. I think things
Speaker 4: have been broken down into too many pieces and there
Speaker 4: hasn't been enough communication between all approaches. I'm going one
Speaker 4: hundred percent from all perspectives of the best of my abilities.
Speaker 4: So I believe, you know, one hundred percent that we can,
Speaker 4: you know, look into objectivity one hundred percent. We can
Speaker 4: look into the consensus perceived reality of subjectivity one hundred
Speaker 4: percent of what we can really get out of spirituality
Speaker 4: with ethics, and it simply only do things that help
Speaker 4: all planetary life some Michael, and never do anything to
Speaker 4: divide or self cannibalize the singular collective what refer to
Speaker 4: as celestial consciousness. You know, the whole thing is one
Speaker 4: organism together. So yeah, I been going down the rabbit
Speaker 4: hole of spirituality. And for me, it's all about trying
Speaker 4: to find the overlapping cross sections of all things as well, right,
Speaker 4: the commonality of all things, bringing all things together, and
Speaker 4: then finding the commonality of all individual things. So it's
Speaker 4: sort of these ven diagrams within ven diagrams kind of
Speaker 4: like a sort of Mendela of it should make an
Speaker 4: art project out of the stuff they think of it.
Speaker 4: I do visual art too, to help me sort of
Speaker 4: conceive of these philosophical, scientific, aspirational concepts. So, yeah, the
Speaker 4: overlapping cross section of all things to commonality of all things,
Speaker 4: and then we'll get to more of that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, I think that. You know, it's very similar
Speaker 3: to Matthew James Bailey, who've spoke of that conference, who's
Speaker 3: an artificial intelligence guy as well, and he wrote the
Speaker 3: book on the Ethics of AI, and he talks often
Speaker 3: about the intersection of spirituality and science and AARI and
Speaker 3: all of these things are really interconnected. It's really a
Speaker 3: tangled web as you get more and more into it. Okay,
Speaker 3: let's talk about this movie you co wrote and directed
Speaker 3: back in twenty eighteen called Ascension, which deals with the phenomenon.
Speaker 3: How was that experience? Oh?
Speaker 4: Wow, Yeah, that was cool. The film is an amazing experience.
Speaker 4: Long story short. Yes, it looks into the dark side
Speaker 4: and the psychological side of the phenomena. Although I primarily
Speaker 4: I am into the light side and I aspire to
Speaker 4: the light side prevailing at the end. I'm on team Light,
Speaker 4: but I also know a ton of people that have
Speaker 4: scary experiences and bad experiences, so it looks into that
Speaker 4: from a psychological point of view. It's kind of like
Speaker 4: a body Snatcher's kind of movie, but on a smaller,
Speaker 4: more intimate, psychological family scale. It's like a psychological psychedelic
Speaker 4: art film, horror film, sci fi. It went very well.
Speaker 4: I won many festivals Best Picture for a first feature
Speaker 4: independ film, good Stuff. But it came out and I
Speaker 4: got distribution. It was going to be playing in like
Speaker 4: five hundred theaters just to start the first week in Asia,
Speaker 4: the very week that the pandemic shut down movie theaters
Speaker 4: for years.
Speaker 3: Well, I just want to know, was that based on
Speaker 3: something that you've known in your life or is it
Speaker 3: just pure fiction film?
Speaker 4: It's fiction. I have not interacted personally with the phenomena,
Speaker 4: although that might change in a couple of weeks. I'll
Speaker 4: have to tell you about that privately. But yeah, it's
Speaker 4: something that's always been of interest to me since I
Speaker 4: was a little boy, watching like Close Encounters and ET.
Speaker 4: I've always just been very curious about the truth of existence.
Speaker 4: And I've written science fiction for many decades now as
Speaker 4: a screenwriter and and such but this was my first
Speaker 4: time really researching the phenomena for the first time on
Speaker 4: a scientific type level. I wanted to make the most
Speaker 4: what i've the time perceived to be the most realistic
Speaker 4: version of the phenomena might be and how it might
Speaker 4: interact with people. I wanted to make it more about
Speaker 4: the consciousness and the psychological aspects and the family dynamics,
Speaker 4: sort of a Hitchhiker effect kind of thing. It's a
Speaker 4: multi generational story about a mother who's been ill from
Speaker 4: these experiences. It's a good movies to check it out.
Speaker 3: But as I am asking, I saw it and I
Speaker 3: think it does hit those points you just mentioned. Absolutely.
Speaker 3: When we return, we're going to ask Ross here how
Speaker 3: he feels about disclosure and if he thinks that's going
Speaker 3: to come from our government or how that's going to happen.
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Speaker 3: Welcome back to Beyond Contact with Captain Ron. We're talking
Speaker 3: to Ross here about disclosure. Where do you sit on that?
Speaker 3: Your new podcast is called DIY Disclosure, so I want
Speaker 3: to know where you sit with disclosure.
Speaker 4: Yes, thank you so much. Disclosure is an important concept.
Speaker 4: My approach to it is in the title, as you
Speaker 4: can imagine DIY disclosure. I think that's maybe the only
Speaker 4: way we're getting disclosure, at least the primary way we
Speaker 4: can get disclosure. DIY Disclosure is a podcast which at
Speaker 4: to have ron on soon, DIY do It your Self disclosure,
Speaker 4: which is a bit you know of a plan words
Speaker 4: you know, because disclosure commonly is known as governmental organization
Speaker 4: or big brother type entity and veiling things for you.
Speaker 4: But DIY disclosure can be done that way by the
Speaker 4: you know, those who are the secret keepers. But I
Speaker 4: think we all need to do DIY disclosure on an
Speaker 4: individual basis to sort of step one of my philosophy.
Speaker 4: Algorithmic jiu jitsu involves sort of the shadow work where
Speaker 4: you have to investigate yourself, understand yourself, disclose yourself and
Speaker 4: your truth, and in doing so, if we can all
Speaker 4: share our truth to each other on a larger and
Speaker 4: larger celestial consciousness type level, then we will have the
Speaker 4: maximum amount of truth simply put. But also DIY disclosure
Speaker 4: has to do with my discord with the same name,
Speaker 4: where I have thirty seven projects collaboratively gene work Define.
Speaker 4: Two of them are documentary investigations. I'm not in charge
Speaker 4: of all of them, so don't worry. But it's a
Speaker 4: highmind of people around the world. Most of them are
Speaker 4: like research topics. It's you know, there's one of the
Speaker 4: world's experts on crop circles is there? And that's kind
Speaker 4: of part of DIY disclosure. It's this sort of internet
Speaker 4: hive mind where we can all see what each other
Speaker 4: is doing and cross pollinate and learn from each other.
Speaker 4: And that's where we end up getting new and more
Speaker 4: and more projects because from the synthesis of these different projects,
Speaker 4: you know, the overlapping cross section Mandala energy and synergy.
Speaker 3: Yeah. What about government though? Do you see it coming from?
Speaker 3: Do you see big the disclosure happening. I think we're
Speaker 3: one hundred years away, Steve things were a week away.
Speaker 3: So where do you fall?
Speaker 4: Yes, I love Steven his optimism and I hope he's right.
Speaker 4: It's a holistic approach, right. I'm all forgoing as advertised
Speaker 4: one hundred percent in all areas and that includes political
Speaker 4: disclosure where I assist and help out and collaborate with
Speaker 4: Steve Basson and the work that he does, and you
Speaker 4: know what she Han does. So I do very much
Speaker 4: believe in it, and we have learned a lot from it.
Speaker 4: I think the chances of us in our lifetime or
Speaker 4: at least receiving provable disclosure, I think what we're going
Speaker 4: to get most likely is lots of information disclosure which
Speaker 4: we won't be able to prove whether or not to
Speaker 4: be true, but it could likely lead to more and
Speaker 4: more intro in the topic, the ability to grow, like
Speaker 4: your conference, for example, to get more and more people
Speaker 4: in the population to find this to be a vital issue,
Speaker 4: so it could start affecting politics and elections. So I
Speaker 4: think it's all useful, but I don't think it makes
Speaker 4: sense that we're going to be getting any like technological
Speaker 4: prove you know, we're not going to necessarily get a
Speaker 4: craft or some entity bodies presented by the president, even
Speaker 4: though I will keep pushing for that enthusiastically. I just
Speaker 4: don't see how the incentives would would go in that direction,
Speaker 4: Why any would want to, you know, why would even
Speaker 4: make sense for national security to at least give up
Speaker 4: you know, the details about.
Speaker 3: The say to Steve, there is no incentive for them
Speaker 3: to do it. What's the upside for them to disclose
Speaker 3: this if in fact they have that. Let me ask
Speaker 3: you this though your things about truth in a post
Speaker 3: truth world, which I love, What if another country, for example,
Speaker 3: disclosed What if a South American country said, by the way,
Speaker 3: we've had contact with alien bas do you think a
Speaker 3: lot of people would believe that?
Speaker 4: Well, I mean, we have this going on, you know,
Speaker 4: the Congressional skin hearings, which I've been you know, very
Speaker 4: excited about. Seems like that those are non human bodies?
Speaker 4: Is that mean it's extra terrestrial? Who knows? I think
Speaker 4: it's possible that we in our lifetime we might get
Speaker 4: that kind of disclosure, and maybe even in this country,
Speaker 4: because you know, there is not necessarily harm in showing
Speaker 4: That's then you bring up a great point the bodies, right,
Speaker 4: like why can't our country show us bodies right? If
Speaker 4: it's not the technology, what's the harm? And if we
Speaker 4: are ramping up, which I sincerely hope or not of course,
Speaker 4: to you know, a hot World War three scenario, you know,
Speaker 4: this is likely a time when our government, with our
Speaker 4: best interests at heart, presumably are going to be rolling
Speaker 4: out probably reverse engineered ET tech, and they're going to
Speaker 4: want to put into the field, you know, use it
Speaker 4: for some be a very useful tool for spying things
Speaker 4: like that, but maybe just for defensive purposes to make
Speaker 4: sure that, you know, the adversarial nations are not going
Speaker 4: to launch any nukes without us knowing it, and then
Speaker 4: maybe we could just you know, scoop them up with
Speaker 4: the UFOs and no big deal. You know, why would
Speaker 4: a body be counterproductive for that? Well, I think it
Speaker 4: could actually be productive for our government or whoever is
Speaker 4: pulling these strings to reveal some hopefully living alien bodies,
Speaker 4: because then we're going to be thinking about the aliens
Speaker 4: and not about our secret technology. So that's my pitch
Speaker 4: to the government. Let's see some bodies. Don't let the
Speaker 4: Mexicans and the Pruvians and everyone else be to the punch, right.
Speaker 3: Well, I wish I would not recommend people set aside
Speaker 3: time to see this happening, because I just do not
Speaker 3: see any way they're going to roll out the bodies.
Speaker 3: I mean, I think we're a long long way from
Speaker 3: that one thing. To see the craft. That's yet another
Speaker 3: to get into the physical beings. Okay, so one of
Speaker 3: the biggest problems we have in the UFO community is
Speaker 3: they're always faced with struggling to get the truth to
Speaker 3: the truth. That's what we're all trying to do basically,
Speaker 3: and we have to navigate the misinformation, disinformation, hoaxes, lies,
Speaker 3: flat out incorrect information. So one of the questions I
Speaker 3: like to ask people is how do they navigate all this?
Speaker 3: How do you navigate online to get around all that?
Speaker 4: This is definitely all interesting stuff to me. This is
Speaker 4: what algorithmic jiu jitsu is all about. My philosophy is
Speaker 4: called algorithmic jiu jitsu, and it's about all algorithms, but
Speaker 4: initially it's about the one we live in online, the
Speaker 4: hive mind of the Internet, the social media algorithmic timeline,
Speaker 4: once initially referred to as the news feed, which is
Speaker 4: the single largest thing to negatively affect civilization in recent
Speaker 4: history based on my assessment. So yeah, I'm not saying
Speaker 4: everything we get in that online is complete disinformation, but
Speaker 4: a lot of it is, as you know, and a
Speaker 4: lot of it is also just people that don't understand
Speaker 4: the truth. Because even without disinformation. Truth is economically and
Speaker 4: socially deincentivized globally with the algorithmic timeline. So algorithmic jiu
Speaker 4: jitsu is about transmuting that and Act three and this
Speaker 4: is the project in my DIY disclosure discord that I'm
Speaker 4: most excited about working on making a new social media
Speaker 4: one where this social media timeline does not do what
Speaker 4: it does. It's actually all quite laid out conceptually and
Speaker 4: as a business plan. Just got to finish a couple
Speaker 4: of documentaries. We're going to try to do it. If
Speaker 4: there is not time to actually accomplish it, then I'm
Speaker 4: going to just be releasing these ideas open source so
Speaker 4: that hopefully the people who run the current social media
Speaker 4: companies can make the necessary changes or be inspired to
Speaker 4: do that.
Speaker 3: Well, they will not, I'm going to tell you right
Speaker 3: now forget that that's not going to happen. As you know,
Speaker 3: one interesting thing you pointed out, So you have this
Speaker 3: admirable goal of trying to find truth in a post
Speaker 3: truth world, and I love that, and I find it
Speaker 3: fascinating that you're you've actually pinpointed You've touched on it
Speaker 3: there a little bit, but you've pinpointed exactly when the
Speaker 3: truth on the Internet basically ended, and that was in
Speaker 3: two thousand and six with the dawn of these algorithms.
Speaker 3: Can you elaborate on how that plays out?
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's really some whiplash. And this is partially inspired
Speaker 4: by long conversations with Steve Bassett on the Internet, because
Speaker 4: I think he you know, and others that have previously
Speaker 4: identified how the Internet initially was the biggest shift initially
Speaker 4: for the positive good, especially for my objective being the
Speaker 4: finding and sharing of information, the truth. That was an
Speaker 4: unprecedented time for finding and sharing information in all kinds
Speaker 4: of ways without control the top down. And then we
Speaker 4: have this like complete one eighty with this invention two
Speaker 4: thousand and six. Who is Zuckerberg who implemented it first
Speaker 4: on Facebook and then everyone else followed suit like immediately thereafter.
Speaker 4: And it makes sense, you know, to have the whole
Speaker 4: world kind of like pushed into one stream, you know,
Speaker 4: one sort of lane where you can kind of you know,
Speaker 4: mingle together. And I like that idea, but the way
Speaker 4: it was done just completely took away that open, wild
Speaker 4: West nature of the original Internet and forced it through
Speaker 4: these major corporations and through this pipeline of the algorithmic timeline,
Speaker 4: which then put forced everyone into these little, tiny, tiny,
Speaker 4: infinite tail in market echo chambers where we're the only
Speaker 4: way to succeed, the only way. If you want to
Speaker 4: go on a date, you want to have a family,
Speaker 4: if you want to make money, if you want to
Speaker 4: be famous, if you want to any if you want
Speaker 4: to succeed on any level, then telling the truth will
Speaker 4: not help you.
Speaker 3: Did it. That's a shame, And it does feel like
Speaker 3: that really did change. And I love that it's the
Speaker 3: algorithms that have done that, as that further divides us,
Speaker 3: which further complicates things. So when we get back, we're
Speaker 3: going to talk to Ross more about this and see
Speaker 3: if it really is truly possible to happen or if
Speaker 3: it's just a utopian idea. You're listening to Beyond Contact
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Speaker 3: We're back on beyond contact, Okay, Ross. We're talking about
Speaker 3: this idea of having a truthful space on the Internet
Speaker 3: like we used to, but it's all got jumbled up
Speaker 3: with these algorithms that are giving us what we want
Speaker 3: to see and dividing us and that sort of thing.
Speaker 3: So will it really happen? Is it even possible? I
Speaker 3: think it's hard to stop this train, and young people
Speaker 3: just seem to be used to this and they're growing
Speaker 3: up in this and as admirable as your idea is,
Speaker 3: I don't see how it's possible. I think it's just
Speaker 3: it's a fast moving train and there's just no way
Speaker 3: to slow it down in my view.
Speaker 4: Indeed, indeed, well algorithmic jiu jitsu is jiu jitsu right
Speaker 4: and philosophically, So I started this philosophy not because I
Speaker 4: was like, I'm going to think of the defining philosophy
Speaker 4: of the modern age. I didn't even know as a philosophy.
Speaker 4: I was just stuck during the pandemic and isolated like
Speaker 4: all of us were. And I was quite aware of
Speaker 4: all the issues of social media which we've discussed, and
Speaker 4: I've never been a person that would has ever compromised
Speaker 4: my ethics, integrity, So and also as an artist, filmmaker,
Speaker 4: et cetera, essential to be online. So the question, like
Speaker 4: for many people, is can I do this somehow without
Speaker 4: and still look at myself in the mirror and sleep
Speaker 4: at night believe in myself. And so that's where I
Speaker 4: started trying to figure out this puzzle. So Act one
Speaker 4: is the sort of mellow demon, which is my sort
Speaker 4: of online persona, and that's union shadow work side of
Speaker 4: finding of DIY disclosure of oneself. Then when you're ready
Speaker 4: to play, you can enter the algorithmic timeline and that's
Speaker 4: where the jiu jitsu begins. Okay, So jiu jitsu is
Speaker 4: about this sort of peaceful, mutual benefit way of using
Speaker 4: the energy of the perceived adversary to win and ideally
Speaker 4: for everyone to win. So that's what I do online.
Speaker 4: I don't follow any of the negative trends. Ufology in
Speaker 4: my view, for example, is something that has been and
Speaker 4: forever should be nonpartisan by nature. So I've not let
Speaker 4: what refer to as the petty terrestrial affairs interfere with
Speaker 4: what I need to do, which is to fine insure
Speaker 4: the truth. If we're dividing into little clicks and stuff,
Speaker 4: we're losing access to certain information because we're just in
Speaker 4: one echo chamber and not another, and we're de valuing
Speaker 4: other people's idea and truth because they are the perceived
Speaker 4: political other. So anyway, long story short, the jiu jitsu
Speaker 4: is the sort of second act of how to still
Speaker 4: thrive but while using the negative toxic energy of the algorithm,
Speaker 4: but for positive effect of all people. And then the
Speaker 4: third act, which I agree as an ambitious one is
Speaker 4: to at least try to put out an alternative out there.
Speaker 4: And you know, I don't mess around, so I intend
Speaker 4: to actually make it work. But it is an astoundingly
Speaker 4: ambitious idea. But I've analyzed it and there's tons of
Speaker 4: weakness in the current system, and since no one is
Speaker 4: doing it this other way yet, I think there's a
Speaker 4: big opportunity at least to have an alternate place for
Speaker 4: people to find and share truth constructively.
Speaker 3: It's an awesome idea and I love it. And I
Speaker 3: guess there's two people now that I think still have
Speaker 3: integrity and that you and I, because I still can't
Speaker 3: find that in today's world. It's such a different place
Speaker 3: now than it was just a few years ago. Even
Speaker 3: UFO Twitter in our own little community that can be
Speaker 3: a place for trolling and argumentative comments and nonsense. It's tough.
Speaker 3: I hope, I hope something like this is able to
Speaker 3: be accomplished. Let me ask you this, Okay, So you
Speaker 3: have this other philosophy called the eternal present tense, which
Speaker 3: I love that idea. I often find myself reflecting on
Speaker 3: past things or looking to what I want to do
Speaker 3: in the future, and I ignore the present. It's a
Speaker 3: huge problem for me. Can you elaborate on your notion
Speaker 3: of what the eternal present tense means? Oh?
Speaker 4: Yes, thank you. Yeah, And this is part of the
Speaker 4: same algorithmic jiu jitsu philosophy. Indeed, and yes, the algorithm.
Speaker 3: You really do a lot of algorithms, don't you.
Speaker 4: Exactly As a beautiful woman recently told me, a brilliant
Speaker 4: and beautifulman said, I'm a structural revolutionist, and it sounded
Speaker 4: good coming from her. I mean, I'm a flowing person.
Speaker 4: Though I'm a free form structural revolutionist. I'm a lot
Speaker 4: of I'm a weird person. What can I say? I
Speaker 4: had an unusual disability situation for most of my life.
Speaker 4: I suffered through the most severe form of chronic pain
Speaker 4: for twenty two years and I still have pain, but
Speaker 4: it's a lot better and so getting out of that.
Speaker 4: And this is a whole you know, being tortured, literally
Speaker 4: tortured alive, it's a lot to describe. For all that time,
Speaker 4: it does something to you. It's a gift if you
Speaker 4: are fortunate to somehow like you know, claw your way
Speaker 4: through it. Most wisdom and transcendence does require suffering. Is
Speaker 4: the medium through which you must move. So it was
Speaker 4: the experience of the very long story of getting through
Speaker 4: that ordeal that I found myself in the eternal what
Speaker 4: I now call the eternal presentence, you know, being being
Speaker 4: present all the time. It started off briefly. I found
Speaker 4: ways briefly to sort of escape from the torture, and
Speaker 4: that was often through the creation of music. And that's
Speaker 4: where I primarily entered into these sort of mantra like
Speaker 4: trance like states. But then the music would have to stop,
Speaker 4: you know, and the music's over, you know, with what
Speaker 4: the fuck do you do then? And I didn't want
Speaker 4: to have to turn off the light, because guess what,
Speaker 4: I couldn't sleep, you know. Ever, I was in so
Speaker 4: much pain, I would just be up all the time,
Speaker 4: and then i'd maybe black out every four days. I
Speaker 4: tried to find a way to sort of extend the
Speaker 4: flow state longer and longer, and over quite some time,
Speaker 4: I've got to the point where I was present continuously
Speaker 4: in a flow state for over five years. It wasn't perfect, however,
Speaker 4: I was sort of all over the place, you know,
Speaker 4: like a like a wild like a leaf blowing in
Speaker 4: the wind. And so then I thought of this kind
Speaker 4: of very important thing, which is chapter three of the
Speaker 4: philosophy called the super objective, which is which I've described
Speaker 4: the eternal process of collaboratively finding insurant truth. So that's
Speaker 4: the eternal present tense. It's this flow state that goes
Speaker 4: on forever. And it's important to, in my view, in
Speaker 4: my experience and others who have attempted such things, to
Speaker 4: connect it to some kind of very clear, simple erow
Speaker 4: of time to bring you through this life and the
Speaker 4: next one. If there's that opportunity to get into the
Speaker 4: eternal presentense. Here are some things that help one, should
Speaker 4: I believe, stop anxieties pertaining to the illusion of the
Speaker 4: past and the illusion of the future.
Speaker 3: This is easier said than done, though we can all
Speaker 3: get bogged down by those anxieties, right.
Speaker 4: Yes, yes, And I've been in this state for so
Speaker 4: long I try to describe how to do it. I've
Speaker 4: made some sort of like kind of alchemy style. Also,
Speaker 4: so acting, I was a professional actor before I got disabled.
Speaker 4: So and I studied with some of the greatest teachers
Speaker 4: in the world, and it was through the philosophies of
Speaker 4: these Russian you know, geniuses like Stanslawski and Michael Chekhov especially.
Speaker 4: Some of these ideas came from right, these flow state
Speaker 4: ideas all the world to stage. It does seem the
Speaker 4: more I looked into quantum physics and stuff, it does
Speaker 4: seem useful to to derive philosophical inspiration from the acting
Speaker 4: teachers and philosophers. But yeah, do you want to give
Speaker 4: up the illusion of the future and the past? And
Speaker 4: do you want to give up meta thought? All thoughts
Speaker 4: should just happen in the eternal presence. If you're thinking
Speaker 4: about thinking, you're doing it wrong.
Speaker 3: You're thinking about thinking, which.
Speaker 4: Is the next chapter. It's called without thinking.
Speaker 3: Love it less. Let me ask you this. You also
Speaker 3: work with artificial intelligence. I want to know do you
Speaker 3: think that this will help or hurt this vision like
Speaker 3: you were talking about, you know, getting to the truth
Speaker 3: on the having a truthful Internet experience. I see artificial
Speaker 3: intelligence as going the opposite way and further subdividing people,
Speaker 3: calling only the information that they want to hear about
Speaker 3: the things they want to hear about, and they won't
Speaker 3: even know what's going on in the world elsewhere because
Speaker 3: they'll have this gate there. That's the way I see it.
Speaker 3: Do you see it the same way or do you
Speaker 3: think it can help and move things in the direction
Speaker 3: you're hoping for.
Speaker 4: I agree with you, but I also think it has
Speaker 4: to fix things just from a practical level. Like all
Speaker 4: the things that I think about and try to do
Speaker 4: are about trying to make positive change, like literally in
Speaker 4: some sort of tangible, observable way. And so, okay, technology
Speaker 4: generally speaking, in my view, is neither you know, good
Speaker 4: nor bad. It's just how society handles it. Unfortunately, our
Speaker 4: society is completely messed up. So I don't mean to
Speaker 4: be like overly you know, optimistic, but our only option
Speaker 4: is to try to make things better. And you know,
Speaker 4: so we have two choices going into it right. Either,
Speaker 4: you know, we can be Sarah Connor and somehow take
Speaker 4: it all down. Unfortunately, you know, the United States is
Speaker 4: the most powerful, you know, hedgemon in all known history,
Speaker 4: so to take it down we would never dream of
Speaker 4: doing this. But even if we wanted to, which we don't,
Speaker 4: we would lose. So our only option then is to
Speaker 4: use the technology ethically and to help humanity. As for
Speaker 4: the philosophy and the ethics, only do things to help
Speaker 4: all planetary life, and AI is like a Pandora's box
Speaker 4: that you can use for really good things or really
Speaker 4: bad things. So we have to we are ethically sort
Speaker 4: of required to create these projects to use it for good,
Speaker 4: and I have a lot of projects and ideas on
Speaker 4: how it can and hus been and will be used
Speaker 4: that way.
Speaker 3: Awesome. When we come back, we're going to talk to
Speaker 3: Ross more about artificial intelligence and how it can be
Speaker 3: used for good and maybe how it can be used
Speaker 3: in the UFO community for identifying objects in the sky.
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Speaker 3: We are back on Beyond Contact. I'm Captain Ron. We're
Speaker 3: talking here with Ross Weashman about artificial intelligence in the
Speaker 3: different applications of that. Ross, do you see artificial intelligence
Speaker 3: being used to help in the UFO community? Maybe in
Speaker 3: just identifying the craft. I've seen these things deployed where
Speaker 3: they program them to identify what's a helicopter, what's a plane,
Speaker 3: what's a jet, what's a satellite, what's a star and
Speaker 3: eliminates all of that. It can break down what is
Speaker 3: truly an anomaly? Have you seen that?
Speaker 4: I'm aware of it going on in many different ways,
Speaker 4: both DIY by just random brilliant people as well as
Speaker 4: by contractors with the government and stuff. There's a lot
Speaker 4: of interest in tracking things in this guy, whether they
Speaker 4: consider it alien or maybe just at enemy adversary.
Speaker 3: Well, I thought Ero said there is no such thing
Speaker 3: as that. Remember Ero said that.
Speaker 4: Well, you got to keep it confusing. It's not a
Speaker 4: misinformation unless you have a little bit of every possibility
Speaker 4: in the mix, you know, right. But yeah, I think
Speaker 4: it is a major tool for that. I mean, you
Speaker 4: know a lot of us we really accelerated our trip
Speaker 4: down the rabbit hole, you know, with the first Nora
Speaker 4: admission and all that stuff that happened, you know, when
Speaker 4: this hit the mainstream, when we had the President kind
Speaker 4: of mutter about this topic a little bit, allegedly the
Speaker 4: Chinese spy balloon and then the two subsequent UAPs that
Speaker 4: were seemingly shot down but no debris was allegedly found,
Speaker 4: all that stuff. So yeah, since then, I mean, there
Speaker 4: has really been an upshot in the private sector as
Speaker 4: well as what I'm told, you know, within the government
Speaker 4: and the surrounding geos and projects. I'm told that that's
Speaker 4: been used for quite some time by the government and
Speaker 4: more and more by private contractors, which I know just.
Speaker 3: In the near future where these things will get better
Speaker 3: and better and more people will have access to them,
Speaker 3: and then we can have this in our backyard and
Speaker 3: we can track you know. I think that that's around
Speaker 3: the corner, and that'll help with the DIY disclosure, right
Speaker 3: because people will be capturing their own information. But then again,
Speaker 3: let's say somebody does that tomorrow and they say, hey, look,
Speaker 3: I got this anomalous object that clearly looks like a
Speaker 3: quote unquote UFO. Now who's going to believe it. They
Speaker 3: put that on Twitter. What's going to happen? Yeah, it's oh, yeah,
Speaker 3: that's real. Look this guy saw a UFO. No, that's
Speaker 3: not what's going to happen. Most people won't believe it. Right,
Speaker 3: it's going to get trashed and picked at, and even
Speaker 3: if it's real or not, it's going to face a
Speaker 3: lot of scrutiny.
Speaker 4: Yeah. With you know, digital cameras, it's you know, almost
Speaker 4: impossible to verify anything. I mean with video in general,
Speaker 4: it's it's not evidence, but you know that kind of thing.
Speaker 4: It's not tangible enough for me. There is other research
Speaker 4: that I'm aware of and sort of participating in that
Speaker 4: has to do with the sort of manifestation of craft
Speaker 4: and things from the points of view of conscious beings.
Speaker 4: With sensors. I think there's a lot that can be
Speaker 4: done with with sensors to detect the phenomena. I know
Speaker 4: that's going on with like Chris Bledsoe and all the
Speaker 4: people studying his local phenomena. And the sensors are very
Speaker 4: inexpensive now. And what I could imagine if the world
Speaker 4: would let us do it cool to have you know,
Speaker 4: a truly global array of these sensors, because I think
Speaker 4: that's how you can really get more useful data if
Speaker 4: you could somehow connect the get some EKG or whatever,
Speaker 4: the most high tech way of observing the conscious aspect
Speaker 4: of the phenomenon and then seeing how it pops up
Speaker 4: and where, when and how. The challenge, though primarily seems
Speaker 4: to be privacy. You know, to have a connected array
Speaker 4: of sensors all around the world, you know, all of
Speaker 4: a sudden, you're putting yourself in surveillance even more than
Speaker 4: we already are under surveillance all the time. So it's
Speaker 4: like how you speak of DIY disclosure, like how do
Speaker 4: you keep it you know, underground punk, rock and pure
Speaker 4: while also connecting everything together. I think blockchain and that
Speaker 4: kind of technology encryption is part of the way, which
Speaker 4: is why I have in a discord of various projects
Speaker 4: that do combine these sort of social high minded type
Speaker 4: projects with open source web three blockschain technology, both so
Speaker 4: that once there is actually hopefully you know, data to share,
Speaker 4: that it can be protected and not taken down too easily,
Speaker 4: and also so that people can share and participate in
Speaker 4: things in a way where they're not going to be
Speaker 4: hacked and manipulated. By the government and whoever else.
Speaker 3: This is an ideal community for that kind of technology.
Speaker 3: I think that could really play right into our hand
Speaker 3: and really help with the DIY disclosure in that area.
Speaker 3: I'm very optimistic about AI helping. I think it'll hurt
Speaker 3: us online with further division, but it will help us
Speaker 3: dramatically with identifying craft and sharing these stories. Like what
Speaker 3: if we had an array that would pop up, there's
Speaker 3: a sighting here here, you could map it. You could
Speaker 3: see where the patterns are. You know. Everything's always so
Speaker 3: private and quiet, you know, But if we all share
Speaker 3: that at one central location, you could say, look, there
Speaker 3: seems to be this exact pattern, and maybe it's something else.
Speaker 3: Maybe we would discover it's an atmospheric anomaly, you know
Speaker 3: what I mean. If we all had shared that data.
Speaker 3: Our data is way too fractured, don't you think.
Speaker 4: Oh indeed, yeah. And that's the whole thing with like
Speaker 4: scientism and the truth embargo that I mean. I try
Speaker 4: to look at things from all perspectives. You know, I
Speaker 4: can understand why, you know, national security secrets. They're not
Speaker 4: going to want to let everybody you know, have the
Speaker 4: information technology, But it gets to such an extent that
Speaker 4: there's no nothing coherent about academia at all, you know,
Speaker 4: so bringing people together is really important. I have this
Speaker 4: thing called open source spirituality, open source science, all these
Speaker 4: different things. History, yes, that's actually the one I'm most
Speaker 4: excited about. So the idea is, if you want to
Speaker 4: clap on this, I'd love to have you. It's you know,
Speaker 4: getting let's say history right, if we want truth, if
Speaker 4: we want to understand the truth of the president. And
Speaker 4: you know, I aspire to be a futureologist. You know,
Speaker 4: all data points for understanding the future, of course come
Speaker 4: from history. But what's the problem with history. Obviously it's
Speaker 4: certainly not reliable. It's all coming from many different sources,
Speaker 4: you know, and the victors are the ones that get
Speaker 4: to write the history and it clashes with their neighbor's history.
Speaker 4: So if we have the whole world connected with the internet,
Speaker 4: so open source history, which I'm that's my favorite one,
Speaker 4: by the way, maybe we'll do it first. It's a
Speaker 4: little less dangerous than open source energy, for example, which
Speaker 4: will also get to responsibly. But open source history. Get
Speaker 4: everyone together. Let's go through what we perceive to be
Speaker 4: the main historic milestones of the last century or two.
Speaker 4: Compare our notes, and let's find once again the overlapping
Speaker 4: cross section of all these things, and see we can
Speaker 4: find some base reality consensus to build from.
Speaker 3: The collaborative effort of all these things is really exciting.
Speaker 3: You have this other topic or philosophy that you call
Speaker 3: you already mentioned it, the petty terrestrial affairs. I love
Speaker 3: this phrasing. All of your phrasings and titles are great
Speaker 3: if you just maybe that's your calling that you know
Speaker 3: phrasing or titles. This notion is something I often pontificate
Speaker 3: about myself. We sometimes say it's all meaningless. What we're
Speaker 3: really referring to is the notion of don't sweat the
Speaker 3: small stuff. It's all small stuff as we all get
Speaker 3: caught up in these mundane minutia of life. Tell us
Speaker 3: your thoughts on petti terrestrial affairs.
Speaker 4: Oh great, yeah, pettiterrestrial affairs.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Some of my phrases have been like spreading all kinds
Speaker 4: of interesting places, you know, around the internet. Famous academic scientists,
Speaker 4: some of which you go on TV incredible ways who
Speaker 4: have been curious about the phenomena too, but they just
Speaker 4: have not been allowed to do it in academia or
Speaker 4: on their normal TV shows and platforms because of the
Speaker 4: truth embargo and the stigma toation. But they're using some
Speaker 4: of these phrases to do it, including pettiitustrial affairs and
Speaker 4: in particular, revolutionary civility has been the one that's caught
Speaker 4: on the most, fortunately, because that's been my benevolent way
Speaker 4: to socially engineer people to break free of the bad
Speaker 4: behavior of the you know, algorithmic timeline. You know. And
Speaker 4: by the way, UFO Twitter is famously the most toxic
Speaker 4: part of Twitter, except for the low community I've formed
Speaker 4: with my friends, which is like this oasis. But yes,
Speaker 4: pettiterrestrial fairs is also catching on. I'm glad because these
Speaker 4: are ones that are most directly about existing online and
Speaker 4: the problems that I perceive in doing so. For those
Speaker 4: interested in, you know, clinging to one's ethics and integrity
Speaker 4: like you, buddy, So petti trstrial a fairs is very
Speaker 4: important to me. Petty trustrial affairs is what self cannibalizes
Speaker 4: us on the hive mind of the Internet. It gets
Speaker 4: us to focus on left versus right in terms of politics,
Speaker 4: culture war A versus culture war B preference, and then tiny,
Speaker 4: tiny and tinier little things. We just we just self
Speaker 4: cannibalize ourselves so much it's like it's like a cheese
Speaker 4: grater until we're just like a fine mist of cheese,
Speaker 4: and it distracts us. It makes it impossible for us
Speaker 4: to come together as a hive mind species around the
Speaker 4: planet and find the truth instead where we're just self destructing.
Speaker 4: It also makes it impossible to make the world better.
Speaker 4: As an activist, an activist for disclosure, I'm also an
Speaker 4: activist for environmentalism, which I have connected to disclosure in
Speaker 4: a way. I do a lot of spaces, you know,
Speaker 4: these live streams on Twitter, which is like how I
Speaker 4: actually built my mass socratic method of philosophy, getting all
Speaker 4: the different nodes of the high mind to try out
Speaker 4: these ideas that I have and to you know, tell
Speaker 4: me if they suck. So far, none of them suck,
Speaker 4: but it's okay. It's a good way. I've learned from
Speaker 4: these people and we collaborate, and in doing so, there
Speaker 4: are simple rules in my spaces, and we have no
Speaker 4: petty terrestrial affairs ever. And once you do that, you know,
Speaker 4: you forget whoever one is, what tribe they came from,
Speaker 4: and it's just about the best ideas only in the
Speaker 4: good vibes. It's revolutionary civility, so let's not think we're
Speaker 4: being weak about it, because it's also the only way
Speaker 4: to make change is through this civil process.
Speaker 3: I love it, man, Ross. All your stuff's amazing. Do
Speaker 3: you sleep more than four minutes a night? Because I
Speaker 3: thought I was busy? And if you go to his
Speaker 3: website melodemon dot com, he's got art on there, he's
Speaker 3: got music that he writes on there, he's got DIY
Speaker 3: disclosure efforts on there, the podcast, everything's on there. Check
Speaker 3: it out at melodemon dot com. It's really incredible how
Speaker 3: involved you are, and I like how noble that you're
Speaker 3: approaching these things Ross, and hopefully a lot of it
Speaker 3: will come to fruition.
Speaker 4: Thanks. I appreciate you. I appreciate you really looking into
Speaker 4: all my things.
Speaker 3: Oh absolutely so thanks for coming on, man, and thank
Speaker 3: you all for listening to Beyond Contact. We'll be back
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