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Speaker 3: Hey everyone, it's Captain Ron and each week are Beyond

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Speaker 3: Contact looks for the latest news in upology, discuss some

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Speaker 3: of the classic cases and bring you the latest information

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Speaker 3: from the newest cases as we talked with the top experts.

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Speaker 3: Welcome back to another episode of Beyond Contact. I am

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Speaker 3: Captain Ron, and today we will be speaking with Ross Washerman.

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Speaker 3: Ross is a writer, producer, director, and editor. He earned

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Speaker 3: his BA from Yale University and his MFA from USC

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Speaker 3: School of Cinematic Arts, where he was the recipient of

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Speaker 3: the Annenberg Fellowship. He has also directed two award winning films,

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Speaker 3: Ascension and Emotional Vacation. Ascension is about this phenomenon. He

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Speaker 3: is also an AI entrepreneur, a songwriter, the host of

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Speaker 3: a new podcast called Do It Yourself Disclosure DIY Disclosure

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Speaker 3: just got started. I think he's not about four episodes.

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Speaker 3: We'll talk about that with him today. Hey, Ross, welcome

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Speaker 4: Oh, such a pleasure to be here. Thanks for having me.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, brother, we were just talking. I didn't get a

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Speaker 3: chance to hang out with you much at Contact At

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Speaker 3: Contact in the Desert twenty twenty four. Was that your

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Speaker 3: first time speaking at a UFO conference.

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Speaker 4: Yes, it was, and I'm so grateful to have been there.

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Speaker 4: It was actually one of the peak experiences of my life.

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Speaker 4: I've had a lot of exciting experiences, but you know,

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Speaker 4: for me, it was just a wonderful thing on so

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Speaker 4: many levels. And I was really grateful to be there

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Speaker 4: and to do some lecturing and panels, and to get

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Speaker 4: I have only read, you know, the books of or

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Speaker 4: pretty pretty exciting for me. Also, you know, bringing sort

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Speaker 4: a great time and it was also the beautiful resort.

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Speaker 4: What was there not to like? It was great?

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Speaker 3: Is the answer? Exactly?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a great compliment you You did a great

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Speaker 3: You get to get direct feedback from other attendees that

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Speaker 4: Yes, I mean in my mind was blown every day.

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Speaker 3: Now, I think that that is actually really well framed.

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Speaker 3: I like it a lot. I like that you're coming

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Speaker 4: Yes, indeed, I mean I think in my view, science

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Speaker 4: So I believe, you know, one hundred percent that we can,

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Speaker 4: percent of what we can really get out of spirituality

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Speaker 4: with ethics, and it simply only do things that help

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Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, I think that. You know, it's very similar

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Speaker 4: I've always just been very curious about the truth of existence.

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Speaker 4: multi generational story about a mother who's been ill from

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Speaker 4: these experiences. It's a good movies to check it out.

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Speaker 3: But as I am asking, I saw it and I

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Speaker 3: think it does hit those points you just mentioned. Absolutely.

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Speaker 3: When we return, we're going to ask Ross here how

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Speaker 3: Welcome back to Beyond Contact with Captain Ron. We're talking

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Speaker 4: Yes, thank you so much. Disclosure is an important concept.

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Speaker 3: We're back on beyond contact, Okay, Ross. We're talking about

433
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Speaker 3: this idea of having a truthful space on the Internet

434
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Speaker 3: like we used to, but it's all got jumbled up

435
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Speaker 3: with these algorithms that are giving us what we want

436
00:22:01,280 --> 00:22:03,800
Speaker 3: to see and dividing us and that sort of thing.

437
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Speaker 3: So will it really happen? Is it even possible? I

438
00:22:08,040 --> 00:22:11,320
Speaker 3: think it's hard to stop this train, and young people

439
00:22:11,440 --> 00:22:14,000
Speaker 3: just seem to be used to this and they're growing

440
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Speaker 3: up in this and as admirable as your idea is,

441
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Speaker 3: I don't see how it's possible. I think it's just

442
00:22:20,880 --> 00:22:23,120
Speaker 3: it's a fast moving train and there's just no way

443
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Speaker 3: to slow it down in my view.

444
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Speaker 4: Indeed, indeed, well algorithmic jiu jitsu is jiu jitsu right

445
00:22:30,280 --> 00:22:33,919
Speaker 4: and philosophically, So I started this philosophy not because I

446
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Speaker 4: was like, I'm going to think of the defining philosophy

447
00:22:35,760 --> 00:22:37,800
Speaker 4: of the modern age. I didn't even know as a philosophy.

448
00:22:37,840 --> 00:22:41,520
Speaker 4: I was just stuck during the pandemic and isolated like

449
00:22:41,560 --> 00:22:44,080
Speaker 4: all of us were. And I was quite aware of

450
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Speaker 4: all the issues of social media which we've discussed, and

451
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Speaker 4: I've never been a person that would has ever compromised

452
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Speaker 4: my ethics, integrity, So and also as an artist, filmmaker,

453
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Speaker 4: et cetera, essential to be online. So the question, like

454
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Speaker 4: for many people, is can I do this somehow without

455
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Speaker 4: and still look at myself in the mirror and sleep

456
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Speaker 4: at night believe in myself. And so that's where I

457
00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:10,520
Speaker 4: started trying to figure out this puzzle. So Act one

458
00:23:10,840 --> 00:23:12,680
Speaker 4: is the sort of mellow demon, which is my sort

459
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Speaker 4: of online persona, and that's union shadow work side of

460
00:23:15,840 --> 00:23:19,880
Speaker 4: finding of DIY disclosure of oneself. Then when you're ready

461
00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:22,520
Speaker 4: to play, you can enter the algorithmic timeline and that's

462
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Speaker 4: where the jiu jitsu begins. Okay, So jiu jitsu is

463
00:23:25,600 --> 00:23:28,760
Speaker 4: about this sort of peaceful, mutual benefit way of using

464
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Speaker 4: the energy of the perceived adversary to win and ideally

465
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Speaker 4: for everyone to win. So that's what I do online.

466
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Speaker 4: I don't follow any of the negative trends. Ufology in

467
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Speaker 4: my view, for example, is something that has been and

468
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Speaker 4: forever should be nonpartisan by nature. So I've not let

469
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Speaker 4: what refer to as the petty terrestrial affairs interfere with

470
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Speaker 4: what I need to do, which is to fine insure

471
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Speaker 4: the truth. If we're dividing into little clicks and stuff,

472
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Speaker 4: we're losing access to certain information because we're just in

473
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Speaker 4: one echo chamber and not another, and we're de valuing

474
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Speaker 4: other people's idea and truth because they are the perceived

475
00:24:03,240 --> 00:24:06,600
Speaker 4: political other. So anyway, long story short, the jiu jitsu

476
00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:09,399
Speaker 4: is the sort of second act of how to still

477
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Speaker 4: thrive but while using the negative toxic energy of the algorithm,

478
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Speaker 4: but for positive effect of all people. And then the

479
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Speaker 4: third act, which I agree as an ambitious one is

480
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Speaker 4: to at least try to put out an alternative out there.

481
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Speaker 4: And you know, I don't mess around, so I intend

482
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Speaker 4: to actually make it work. But it is an astoundingly

483
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Speaker 4: ambitious idea. But I've analyzed it and there's tons of

484
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Speaker 4: weakness in the current system, and since no one is

485
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Speaker 4: doing it this other way yet, I think there's a

486
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Speaker 4: big opportunity at least to have an alternate place for

487
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Speaker 4: people to find and share truth constructively.

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Speaker 3: It's an awesome idea and I love it. And I

489
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Speaker 3: guess there's two people now that I think still have

490
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Speaker 3: integrity and that you and I, because I still can't

491
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Speaker 3: find that in today's world. It's such a different place

492
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Speaker 3: now than it was just a few years ago. Even

493
00:24:50,080 --> 00:24:52,800
Speaker 3: UFO Twitter in our own little community that can be

494
00:24:52,840 --> 00:24:57,200
Speaker 3: a place for trolling and argumentative comments and nonsense. It's tough.

495
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Speaker 3: I hope, I hope something like this is able to

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Speaker 3: be accomplished. Let me ask you this, Okay, So you

497
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Speaker 3: have this other philosophy called the eternal present tense, which

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Speaker 3: I love that idea. I often find myself reflecting on

499
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Speaker 3: past things or looking to what I want to do

500
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Speaker 3: in the future, and I ignore the present. It's a

501
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Speaker 3: huge problem for me. Can you elaborate on your notion

502
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Speaker 3: of what the eternal present tense means? Oh?

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Speaker 4: Yes, thank you. Yeah, And this is part of the

504
00:25:24,800 --> 00:25:29,359
Speaker 4: same algorithmic jiu jitsu philosophy. Indeed, and yes, the algorithm.

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Speaker 3: You really do a lot of algorithms, don't you.

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Speaker 4: Exactly As a beautiful woman recently told me, a brilliant

507
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Speaker 4: and beautifulman said, I'm a structural revolutionist, and it sounded

508
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Speaker 4: good coming from her. I mean, I'm a flowing person.

509
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Speaker 4: Though I'm a free form structural revolutionist. I'm a lot

510
00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:47,960
Speaker 4: of I'm a weird person. What can I say? I

511
00:25:48,040 --> 00:25:52,640
Speaker 4: had an unusual disability situation for most of my life.

512
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Speaker 4: I suffered through the most severe form of chronic pain

513
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Speaker 4: for twenty two years and I still have pain, but

514
00:25:58,200 --> 00:26:00,840
Speaker 4: it's a lot better and so getting out of that.

515
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Speaker 4: And this is a whole you know, being tortured, literally

516
00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:06,800
Speaker 4: tortured alive, it's a lot to describe. For all that time,

517
00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:09,439
Speaker 4: it does something to you. It's a gift if you

518
00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:11,800
Speaker 4: are fortunate to somehow like you know, claw your way

519
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Speaker 4: through it. Most wisdom and transcendence does require suffering. Is

520
00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:20,320
Speaker 4: the medium through which you must move. So it was

521
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Speaker 4: the experience of the very long story of getting through

522
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Speaker 4: that ordeal that I found myself in the eternal what

523
00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:28,440
Speaker 4: I now call the eternal presentence, you know, being being

524
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Speaker 4: present all the time. It started off briefly. I found

525
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Speaker 4: ways briefly to sort of escape from the torture, and

526
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Speaker 4: that was often through the creation of music. And that's

527
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Speaker 4: where I primarily entered into these sort of mantra like

528
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Speaker 4: trance like states. But then the music would have to stop,

529
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Speaker 4: you know, and the music's over, you know, with what

530
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Speaker 4: the fuck do you do then? And I didn't want

531
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Speaker 4: to have to turn off the light, because guess what,

532
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Speaker 4: I couldn't sleep, you know. Ever, I was in so

533
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Speaker 4: much pain, I would just be up all the time,

534
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Speaker 4: and then i'd maybe black out every four days. I

535
00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:56,919
Speaker 4: tried to find a way to sort of extend the

536
00:26:56,960 --> 00:26:59,840
Speaker 4: flow state longer and longer, and over quite some time,

537
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Speaker 4: I've got to the point where I was present continuously

538
00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:06,119
Speaker 4: in a flow state for over five years. It wasn't perfect, however,

539
00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:08,320
Speaker 4: I was sort of all over the place, you know,

540
00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:10,600
Speaker 4: like a like a wild like a leaf blowing in

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Speaker 4: the wind. And so then I thought of this kind

542
00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:15,879
Speaker 4: of very important thing, which is chapter three of the

543
00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:18,840
Speaker 4: philosophy called the super objective, which is which I've described

544
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Speaker 4: the eternal process of collaboratively finding insurant truth. So that's

545
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Speaker 4: the eternal present tense. It's this flow state that goes

546
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Speaker 4: on forever. And it's important to, in my view, in

547
00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:30,679
Speaker 4: my experience and others who have attempted such things, to

548
00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:34,639
Speaker 4: connect it to some kind of very clear, simple erow

549
00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:36,960
Speaker 4: of time to bring you through this life and the

550
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Speaker 4: next one. If there's that opportunity to get into the

551
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Speaker 4: eternal presentense. Here are some things that help one, should

552
00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:46,240
Speaker 4: I believe, stop anxieties pertaining to the illusion of the

553
00:27:46,280 --> 00:27:47,959
Speaker 4: past and the illusion of the future.

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Speaker 3: This is easier said than done, though we can all

555
00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:52,600
Speaker 3: get bogged down by those anxieties, right.

556
00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:55,280
Speaker 4: Yes, yes, And I've been in this state for so

557
00:27:55,320 --> 00:27:57,520
Speaker 4: long I try to describe how to do it. I've

558
00:27:57,520 --> 00:27:59,920
Speaker 4: made some sort of like kind of alchemy style. Also,

559
00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:02,920
Speaker 4: so acting, I was a professional actor before I got disabled.

560
00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:05,280
Speaker 4: So and I studied with some of the greatest teachers

561
00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:08,200
Speaker 4: in the world, and it was through the philosophies of

562
00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:11,600
Speaker 4: these Russian you know, geniuses like Stanslawski and Michael Chekhov especially.

563
00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:14,440
Speaker 4: Some of these ideas came from right, these flow state

564
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Speaker 4: ideas all the world to stage. It does seem the

565
00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:20,000
Speaker 4: more I looked into quantum physics and stuff, it does

566
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Speaker 4: seem useful to to derive philosophical inspiration from the acting

567
00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:28,360
Speaker 4: teachers and philosophers. But yeah, do you want to give

568
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Speaker 4: up the illusion of the future and the past? And

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Speaker 4: do you want to give up meta thought? All thoughts

570
00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:37,359
Speaker 4: should just happen in the eternal presence. If you're thinking

571
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Speaker 4: about thinking, you're doing it wrong.

572
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Speaker 3: You're thinking about thinking, which.

573
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Speaker 4: Is the next chapter. It's called without thinking.

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Speaker 3: Love it less. Let me ask you this. You also

575
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Speaker 3: work with artificial intelligence. I want to know do you

576
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Speaker 3: think that this will help or hurt this vision like

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Speaker 3: you were talking about, you know, getting to the truth

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Speaker 3: on the having a truthful Internet experience. I see artificial

579
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Speaker 3: intelligence as going the opposite way and further subdividing people,

580
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Speaker 3: calling only the information that they want to hear about

581
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Speaker 3: the things they want to hear about, and they won't

582
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Speaker 3: even know what's going on in the world elsewhere because

583
00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:12,400
Speaker 3: they'll have this gate there. That's the way I see it.

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Speaker 3: Do you see it the same way or do you

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Speaker 3: think it can help and move things in the direction

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Speaker 3: you're hoping for.

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Speaker 4: I agree with you, but I also think it has

588
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Speaker 4: to fix things just from a practical level. Like all

589
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Speaker 4: the things that I think about and try to do

590
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Speaker 4: are about trying to make positive change, like literally in

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Speaker 4: some sort of tangible, observable way. And so, okay, technology

592
00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:32,520
Speaker 4: generally speaking, in my view, is neither you know, good

593
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Speaker 4: nor bad. It's just how society handles it. Unfortunately, our

594
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Speaker 4: society is completely messed up. So I don't mean to

595
00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:41,800
Speaker 4: be like overly you know, optimistic, but our only option

596
00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:44,280
Speaker 4: is to try to make things better. And you know,

597
00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:46,680
Speaker 4: so we have two choices going into it right. Either,

598
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Speaker 4: you know, we can be Sarah Connor and somehow take

599
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Speaker 4: it all down. Unfortunately, you know, the United States is

600
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Speaker 4: the most powerful, you know, hedgemon in all known history,

601
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Speaker 4: so to take it down we would never dream of

602
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Speaker 4: doing this. But even if we wanted to, which we don't,

603
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Speaker 4: we would lose. So our only option then is to

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Speaker 4: use the technology ethically and to help humanity. As for

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Speaker 4: the philosophy and the ethics, only do things to help

606
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Speaker 4: all planetary life, and AI is like a Pandora's box

607
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Speaker 4: that you can use for really good things or really

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Speaker 4: bad things. So we have to we are ethically sort

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Speaker 4: of required to create these projects to use it for good,

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Speaker 4: and I have a lot of projects and ideas on

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Speaker 4: how it can and hus been and will be used

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Speaker 4: that way.

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Speaker 3: Awesome. When we come back, we're going to talk to

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Speaker 3: Ross more about artificial intelligence and how it can be

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Speaker 3: used for good and maybe how it can be used

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Speaker 3: in the UFO community for identifying objects in the sky.

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Speaker 3: talking here with Ross Weashman about artificial intelligence in the

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Speaker 3: different applications of that. Ross, do you see artificial intelligence

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Speaker 3: being used to help in the UFO community? Maybe in

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Speaker 3: just identifying the craft. I've seen these things deployed where

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Speaker 3: they program them to identify what's a helicopter, what's a plane,

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Speaker 3: what's a jet, what's a satellite, what's a star and

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Speaker 3: eliminates all of that. It can break down what is

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Speaker 3: truly an anomaly? Have you seen that?

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Speaker 4: I'm aware of it going on in many different ways,

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Speaker 4: both DIY by just random brilliant people as well as

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Speaker 4: by contractors with the government and stuff. There's a lot

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Speaker 4: of interest in tracking things in this guy, whether they

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Speaker 4: consider it alien or maybe just at enemy adversary.

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Speaker 3: Well, I thought Ero said there is no such thing

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Speaker 3: as that. Remember Ero said that.

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Speaker 4: Well, you got to keep it confusing. It's not a

648
00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:03,880
Speaker 4: misinformation unless you have a little bit of every possibility

649
00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:05,960
Speaker 4: in the mix, you know, right. But yeah, I think

650
00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:07,760
Speaker 4: it is a major tool for that. I mean, you

651
00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:10,320
Speaker 4: know a lot of us we really accelerated our trip

652
00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:12,320
Speaker 4: down the rabbit hole, you know, with the first Nora

653
00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:14,560
Speaker 4: admission and all that stuff that happened, you know, when

654
00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:16,920
Speaker 4: this hit the mainstream, when we had the President kind

655
00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:19,560
Speaker 4: of mutter about this topic a little bit, allegedly the

656
00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:23,360
Speaker 4: Chinese spy balloon and then the two subsequent UAPs that

657
00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:27,080
Speaker 4: were seemingly shot down but no debris was allegedly found,

658
00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:29,280
Speaker 4: all that stuff. So yeah, since then, I mean, there

659
00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:31,720
Speaker 4: has really been an upshot in the private sector as

660
00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:34,200
Speaker 4: well as what I'm told, you know, within the government

661
00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:37,480
Speaker 4: and the surrounding geos and projects. I'm told that that's

662
00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:40,360
Speaker 4: been used for quite some time by the government and

663
00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:44,840
Speaker 4: more and more by private contractors, which I know just.

664
00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:47,400
Speaker 3: In the near future where these things will get better

665
00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:49,920
Speaker 3: and better and more people will have access to them,

666
00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:52,239
Speaker 3: and then we can have this in our backyard and

667
00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:54,400
Speaker 3: we can track you know. I think that that's around

668
00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:57,960
Speaker 3: the corner, and that'll help with the DIY disclosure, right

669
00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:01,120
Speaker 3: because people will be capturing their own information. But then again,

670
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:03,960
Speaker 3: let's say somebody does that tomorrow and they say, hey, look,

671
00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:06,360
Speaker 3: I got this anomalous object that clearly looks like a

672
00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:09,120
Speaker 3: quote unquote UFO. Now who's going to believe it. They

673
00:34:09,120 --> 00:34:12,160
Speaker 3: put that on Twitter. What's going to happen? Yeah, it's oh, yeah,

674
00:34:12,160 --> 00:34:14,680
Speaker 3: that's real. Look this guy saw a UFO. No, that's

675
00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:17,160
Speaker 3: not what's going to happen. Most people won't believe it. Right,

676
00:34:17,239 --> 00:34:19,680
Speaker 3: it's going to get trashed and picked at, and even

677
00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:22,040
Speaker 3: if it's real or not, it's going to face a

678
00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:22,800
Speaker 3: lot of scrutiny.

679
00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:25,760
Speaker 4: Yeah. With you know, digital cameras, it's you know, almost

680
00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:28,680
Speaker 4: impossible to verify anything. I mean with video in general,

681
00:34:28,680 --> 00:34:31,279
Speaker 4: it's it's not evidence, but you know that kind of thing.

682
00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:34,040
Speaker 4: It's not tangible enough for me. There is other research

683
00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:36,480
Speaker 4: that I'm aware of and sort of participating in that

684
00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:40,080
Speaker 4: has to do with the sort of manifestation of craft

685
00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:42,600
Speaker 4: and things from the points of view of conscious beings.

686
00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:44,640
Speaker 4: With sensors. I think there's a lot that can be

687
00:34:44,680 --> 00:34:48,040
Speaker 4: done with with sensors to detect the phenomena. I know

688
00:34:48,080 --> 00:34:49,920
Speaker 4: that's going on with like Chris Bledsoe and all the

689
00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:55,439
Speaker 4: people studying his local phenomena. And the sensors are very

690
00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:59,080
Speaker 4: inexpensive now. And what I could imagine if the world

691
00:34:59,120 --> 00:35:00,920
Speaker 4: would let us do it cool to have you know,

692
00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:04,600
Speaker 4: a truly global array of these sensors, because I think

693
00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:07,680
Speaker 4: that's how you can really get more useful data if

694
00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:10,680
Speaker 4: you could somehow connect the get some EKG or whatever,

695
00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:14,440
Speaker 4: the most high tech way of observing the conscious aspect

696
00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:17,279
Speaker 4: of the phenomenon and then seeing how it pops up

697
00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:20,040
Speaker 4: and where, when and how. The challenge, though primarily seems

698
00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:22,799
Speaker 4: to be privacy. You know, to have a connected array

699
00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:25,000
Speaker 4: of sensors all around the world, you know, all of

700
00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:27,759
Speaker 4: a sudden, you're putting yourself in surveillance even more than

701
00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:30,960
Speaker 4: we already are under surveillance all the time. So it's

702
00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:32,759
Speaker 4: like how you speak of DIY disclosure, like how do

703
00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:35,640
Speaker 4: you keep it you know, underground punk, rock and pure

704
00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:40,600
Speaker 4: while also connecting everything together. I think blockchain and that

705
00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:43,160
Speaker 4: kind of technology encryption is part of the way, which

706
00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:45,960
Speaker 4: is why I have in a discord of various projects

707
00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:49,280
Speaker 4: that do combine these sort of social high minded type

708
00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:53,480
Speaker 4: projects with open source web three blockschain technology, both so

709
00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:56,000
Speaker 4: that once there is actually hopefully you know, data to share,

710
00:35:56,040 --> 00:35:58,120
Speaker 4: that it can be protected and not taken down too easily,

711
00:35:58,239 --> 00:36:00,920
Speaker 4: and also so that people can share and participate in

712
00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:02,200
Speaker 4: things in a way where they're not going to be

713
00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:05,080
Speaker 4: hacked and manipulated. By the government and whoever else.

714
00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:07,960
Speaker 3: This is an ideal community for that kind of technology.

715
00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:10,040
Speaker 3: I think that could really play right into our hand

716
00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:13,160
Speaker 3: and really help with the DIY disclosure in that area.

717
00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:16,399
Speaker 3: I'm very optimistic about AI helping. I think it'll hurt

718
00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:18,759
Speaker 3: us online with further division, but it will help us

719
00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:22,520
Speaker 3: dramatically with identifying craft and sharing these stories. Like what

720
00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:25,160
Speaker 3: if we had an array that would pop up, there's

721
00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:27,239
Speaker 3: a sighting here here, you could map it. You could

722
00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:29,759
Speaker 3: see where the patterns are. You know. Everything's always so

723
00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:32,200
Speaker 3: private and quiet, you know, But if we all share

724
00:36:32,239 --> 00:36:35,160
Speaker 3: that at one central location, you could say, look, there

725
00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:38,000
Speaker 3: seems to be this exact pattern, and maybe it's something else.

726
00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:41,400
Speaker 3: Maybe we would discover it's an atmospheric anomaly, you know

727
00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:43,960
Speaker 3: what I mean. If we all had shared that data.

728
00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:46,840
Speaker 3: Our data is way too fractured, don't you think.

729
00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:49,239
Speaker 4: Oh indeed, yeah. And that's the whole thing with like

730
00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:52,200
Speaker 4: scientism and the truth embargo that I mean. I try

731
00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:54,120
Speaker 4: to look at things from all perspectives. You know, I

732
00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:56,960
Speaker 4: can understand why, you know, national security secrets. They're not

733
00:36:57,000 --> 00:36:59,319
Speaker 4: going to want to let everybody you know, have the

734
00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:02,680
Speaker 4: information technology, But it gets to such an extent that

735
00:37:02,719 --> 00:37:05,640
Speaker 4: there's no nothing coherent about academia at all, you know,

736
00:37:05,719 --> 00:37:08,160
Speaker 4: so bringing people together is really important. I have this

737
00:37:08,239 --> 00:37:11,799
Speaker 4: thing called open source spirituality, open source science, all these

738
00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:15,680
Speaker 4: different things. History, yes, that's actually the one I'm most

739
00:37:15,680 --> 00:37:17,920
Speaker 4: excited about. So the idea is, if you want to

740
00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:20,040
Speaker 4: clap on this, I'd love to have you. It's you know,

741
00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:22,000
Speaker 4: getting let's say history right, if we want truth, if

742
00:37:22,040 --> 00:37:23,920
Speaker 4: we want to understand the truth of the president. And

743
00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:25,840
Speaker 4: you know, I aspire to be a futureologist. You know,

744
00:37:26,120 --> 00:37:28,440
Speaker 4: all data points for understanding the future, of course come

745
00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:30,680
Speaker 4: from history. But what's the problem with history. Obviously it's

746
00:37:30,719 --> 00:37:34,320
Speaker 4: certainly not reliable. It's all coming from many different sources,

747
00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:36,200
Speaker 4: you know, and the victors are the ones that get

748
00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:39,200
Speaker 4: to write the history and it clashes with their neighbor's history.

749
00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:41,600
Speaker 4: So if we have the whole world connected with the internet,

750
00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:43,759
Speaker 4: so open source history, which I'm that's my favorite one,

751
00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:45,120
Speaker 4: by the way, maybe we'll do it first. It's a

752
00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:48,439
Speaker 4: little less dangerous than open source energy, for example, which

753
00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:51,440
Speaker 4: will also get to responsibly. But open source history. Get

754
00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:53,920
Speaker 4: everyone together. Let's go through what we perceive to be

755
00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:56,839
Speaker 4: the main historic milestones of the last century or two.

756
00:37:57,160 --> 00:37:59,759
Speaker 4: Compare our notes, and let's find once again the overlapping

757
00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:02,120
Speaker 4: cross section of all these things, and see we can

758
00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:05,760
Speaker 4: find some base reality consensus to build from.

759
00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:08,080
Speaker 3: The collaborative effort of all these things is really exciting.

760
00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:11,120
Speaker 3: You have this other topic or philosophy that you call

761
00:38:11,239 --> 00:38:14,600
Speaker 3: you already mentioned it, the petty terrestrial affairs. I love

762
00:38:14,680 --> 00:38:17,600
Speaker 3: this phrasing. All of your phrasings and titles are great

763
00:38:17,640 --> 00:38:20,520
Speaker 3: if you just maybe that's your calling that you know

764
00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:25,279
Speaker 3: phrasing or titles. This notion is something I often pontificate

765
00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:29,560
Speaker 3: about myself. We sometimes say it's all meaningless. What we're

766
00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:32,080
Speaker 3: really referring to is the notion of don't sweat the

767
00:38:32,120 --> 00:38:34,640
Speaker 3: small stuff. It's all small stuff as we all get

768
00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:38,120
Speaker 3: caught up in these mundane minutia of life. Tell us

769
00:38:38,239 --> 00:38:40,360
Speaker 3: your thoughts on petti terrestrial affairs.

770
00:38:40,680 --> 00:38:42,200
Speaker 4: Oh great, yeah, pettiterrestrial affairs.

771
00:38:42,239 --> 00:38:42,439
Speaker 3: Yeah.

772
00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:44,560
Speaker 4: Some of my phrases have been like spreading all kinds

773
00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:48,800
Speaker 4: of interesting places, you know, around the internet. Famous academic scientists,

774
00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:51,120
Speaker 4: some of which you go on TV incredible ways who

775
00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:53,719
Speaker 4: have been curious about the phenomena too, but they just

776
00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:56,480
Speaker 4: have not been allowed to do it in academia or

777
00:38:56,480 --> 00:38:58,719
Speaker 4: on their normal TV shows and platforms because of the

778
00:38:58,760 --> 00:39:01,560
Speaker 4: truth embargo and the stigma toation. But they're using some

779
00:39:01,640 --> 00:39:04,040
Speaker 4: of these phrases to do it, including pettiitustrial affairs and

780
00:39:04,080 --> 00:39:07,640
Speaker 4: in particular, revolutionary civility has been the one that's caught

781
00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:10,839
Speaker 4: on the most, fortunately, because that's been my benevolent way

782
00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:14,239
Speaker 4: to socially engineer people to break free of the bad

783
00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:17,279
Speaker 4: behavior of the you know, algorithmic timeline. You know. And

784
00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:19,600
Speaker 4: by the way, UFO Twitter is famously the most toxic

785
00:39:19,640 --> 00:39:22,440
Speaker 4: part of Twitter, except for the low community I've formed

786
00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:25,040
Speaker 4: with my friends, which is like this oasis. But yes,

787
00:39:25,080 --> 00:39:27,799
Speaker 4: pettiterrestrial fairs is also catching on. I'm glad because these

788
00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:31,160
Speaker 4: are ones that are most directly about existing online and

789
00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:33,560
Speaker 4: the problems that I perceive in doing so. For those

790
00:39:33,640 --> 00:39:36,719
Speaker 4: interested in, you know, clinging to one's ethics and integrity

791
00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:39,239
Speaker 4: like you, buddy, So petti trstrial a fairs is very

792
00:39:39,239 --> 00:39:41,959
Speaker 4: important to me. Petty trustrial affairs is what self cannibalizes

793
00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:44,479
Speaker 4: us on the hive mind of the Internet. It gets

794
00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:48,080
Speaker 4: us to focus on left versus right in terms of politics,

795
00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:52,280
Speaker 4: culture war A versus culture war B preference, and then tiny,

796
00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:55,080
Speaker 4: tiny and tinier little things. We just we just self

797
00:39:55,080 --> 00:39:57,719
Speaker 4: cannibalize ourselves so much it's like it's like a cheese

798
00:39:57,760 --> 00:40:00,120
Speaker 4: grater until we're just like a fine mist of cheese,

799
00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:03,279
Speaker 4: and it distracts us. It makes it impossible for us

800
00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:06,000
Speaker 4: to come together as a hive mind species around the

801
00:40:06,040 --> 00:40:09,120
Speaker 4: planet and find the truth instead where we're just self destructing.

802
00:40:09,120 --> 00:40:11,160
Speaker 4: It also makes it impossible to make the world better.

803
00:40:11,239 --> 00:40:13,600
Speaker 4: As an activist, an activist for disclosure, I'm also an

804
00:40:13,600 --> 00:40:16,320
Speaker 4: activist for environmentalism, which I have connected to disclosure in

805
00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:18,120
Speaker 4: a way. I do a lot of spaces, you know,

806
00:40:18,160 --> 00:40:20,520
Speaker 4: these live streams on Twitter, which is like how I

807
00:40:20,680 --> 00:40:24,839
Speaker 4: actually built my mass socratic method of philosophy, getting all

808
00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:27,000
Speaker 4: the different nodes of the high mind to try out

809
00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:28,759
Speaker 4: these ideas that I have and to you know, tell

810
00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:30,520
Speaker 4: me if they suck. So far, none of them suck,

811
00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:32,400
Speaker 4: but it's okay. It's a good way. I've learned from

812
00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:34,759
Speaker 4: these people and we collaborate, and in doing so, there

813
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:37,239
Speaker 4: are simple rules in my spaces, and we have no

814
00:40:37,520 --> 00:40:40,440
Speaker 4: petty terrestrial affairs ever. And once you do that, you know,

815
00:40:40,520 --> 00:40:42,560
Speaker 4: you forget whoever one is, what tribe they came from,

816
00:40:42,560 --> 00:40:44,640
Speaker 4: and it's just about the best ideas only in the

817
00:40:44,680 --> 00:40:48,279
Speaker 4: good vibes. It's revolutionary civility, so let's not think we're

818
00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:50,560
Speaker 4: being weak about it, because it's also the only way

819
00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:53,240
Speaker 4: to make change is through this civil process.

820
00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:57,400
Speaker 3: I love it, man, Ross. All your stuff's amazing. Do

821
00:40:57,480 --> 00:40:59,759
Speaker 3: you sleep more than four minutes a night? Because I

822
00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:01,840
Speaker 3: thought I was busy? And if you go to his

823
00:41:01,880 --> 00:41:05,239
Speaker 3: website melodemon dot com, he's got art on there, he's

824
00:41:05,239 --> 00:41:08,120
Speaker 3: got music that he writes on there, he's got DIY

825
00:41:08,239 --> 00:41:11,960
Speaker 3: disclosure efforts on there, the podcast, everything's on there. Check

826
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:15,239
Speaker 3: it out at melodemon dot com. It's really incredible how

827
00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:18,319
Speaker 3: involved you are, and I like how noble that you're

828
00:41:18,320 --> 00:41:20,520
Speaker 3: approaching these things Ross, and hopefully a lot of it

829
00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:21,400
Speaker 3: will come to fruition.

830
00:41:21,840 --> 00:41:24,120
Speaker 4: Thanks. I appreciate you. I appreciate you really looking into

831
00:41:24,120 --> 00:41:24,960
Speaker 4: all my things.

832
00:41:25,080 --> 00:41:27,719
Speaker 3: Oh absolutely so thanks for coming on, man, and thank

833
00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:30,279
Speaker 3: you all for listening to Beyond Contact. We'll be back

834
00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:32,800
Speaker 3: next week with an all new episode. You can follow

835
00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:36,680
Speaker 3: me Captain Ron on Twitter and Instagram at CID Underscore

836
00:41:36,719 --> 00:41:40,880
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