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Speaker 2: Hello, and welcome to Cool People Who Did Cool Stuff.

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Speaker 2: It's another week, and it's another rerun because it's the

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Speaker 2: holidays and the editors get to have breaks, and so

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Speaker 2: do I sometimes, although I'll be working this whole week,

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Speaker 2: I don't know whatever life is like that. And more importantly,

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Speaker 2: this is an episode. It's a rerun. It's about Lakota Resistance,

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Speaker 2: and I think you will like it. If it's the

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Speaker 2: first time you've heard it, you'll like it the first time.

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Speaker 2: And if it's the second time, I don't know, maybe

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Speaker 2: skip it, but maybe don't. Maybe it's a good thing

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Speaker 2: to remind yourself of I forget things all the time.

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Speaker 2: You're not going to be shocked to know that, not

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Speaker 2: at all. It's a good meme I saw this week

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Speaker 2: that was like having such a bad memory that you

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Speaker 2: accidentally ascilate everyone. Anyway, here's the episode that wait, no,

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Speaker 2: Welcome to Cool People Who Did Cool Stuff?

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Speaker 3: The podcast where Margaret turns into a bat.

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Speaker 2: That's right, and then I had to unturn into a

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Speaker 2: bat just to bring you this here introduction about the podcast.

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Speaker 2: I'm your host, Margaret Kiljoy, and my guest today is

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Speaker 2: the same guest as last week because it's a continuation

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Speaker 2: of last week, and that means my guest is Miriam Hi.

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Speaker 2: How was your week so far?

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Speaker 3: So good? Haven't heard any extensive histories of genocide in

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Speaker 3: at least a couple of days, so here I am.

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Speaker 2: This one's far more a history of resistance to genocide.

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Speaker 3: Oh, thank god, hell yeah, here for it.

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Speaker 2: We got through. It's not going to be without bad stuff,

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Speaker 2: but there's a lot of I think this is one

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Speaker 2: of the most important stories that I've told in the show.

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Speaker 2: I wanted to like really get going with the show

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Speaker 2: before I talked about some of these things, and I've

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Speaker 2: been looking forward to talking about this one for a

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Speaker 2: long time. And I think this one is really good. Well,

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Speaker 2: bad stuff happens, but it's really important, really interesting. There's

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Speaker 2: lots of cool people, they do really cool stuff.

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Speaker 3: I'm I'm really excited to hear about it. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Our producer is Sophie Hi, Sophie Hi, Margaret Hi, Miriam.

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Speaker 3: Hi, Sophie.

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Speaker 2: Our audio engineer is Ian and must say Hi Ian Hi,

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Speaker 2: Ian Hi Ian. Our music was made for us by Unwoman.

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Speaker 2: I went to Unwoman and said, give me something that

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Speaker 2: sounds sort of ironic. Compared to what we'll be talking about,

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Speaker 2: have a theme song. So this is part three of

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Speaker 2: a four parter about Lakota resistance to the American Empire.

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Speaker 2: And one of the main reason, the main reason that

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Speaker 2: talk about a political prisoner who's still in prison named

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Speaker 2: lend Repeltier, and I felt like this amount of context

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Speaker 2: here we're going to do it. The roots of the

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Speaker 2: American Indian Movement or AIM started in ways that I'll

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Speaker 2: like many resistance movements, it started in jail. The organization

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Speaker 2: And as long as you can ranch on their fucking land,

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Speaker 2: So young Clyde, he's poor, miseducated, systemic, systemically oppressed, This

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Speaker 2: because it's always the same fucking thing, it's always well, shit,

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Speaker 3: Did US Air Force people shoot to kill Japanese protesters

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Speaker 3: I like, like, go a day without discovering like another

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Speaker 2: That will be about a thousand years in the future

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Speaker 3: We're not running out of atrocities yet.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. And basically there was this huge non violence civil

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Speaker 3: We're like very much still there though.

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Speaker 2: One of their elders, a woman, was like, how about

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Speaker 3: Okay, but sorry. Fun fact, the Culinary Institute of America,

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Speaker 2: And so they're like, fuck that, this is our name.

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Speaker 3: the CIA, if just like a bunch of cooking nerds

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Speaker 2: No, you don't see it. You are disparaging our good name, exactly.

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Speaker 3: Their thumbs, so they want you to think.

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Speaker 2: In nineteen sixty eight, AIM was formed and the the

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Speaker 2: wasn't the rebirth of Indigenous resistance to the American Empire.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly like it ebbs and flows, absolutely, and there

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Speaker 2: such as the pully Up and Squally fishing rights battles

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Speaker 3: Good things through shitty loopholes is exactly what we should

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Speaker 3: Fleeing when you're about to be subject to felonies is

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Speaker 2: Hell yeah, third times the charm. The occupation lasted nineteen

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Speaker 3: Hell yeah, and.

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Speaker 2: They're Their demand was an American Indian cultural center on Thanksgiving,

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Speaker 3: I mean, that's the thing, right. If the people you're

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Speaker 2: Yeah. And then almost everything that people successfully win is

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Speaker 2: I actually I think that they do more than an appearance.

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Speaker 2: I think they're not like anyway, Well, we'll talk about that. No,

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Speaker 3: killed because she was buying guns for the black panthers.

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Speaker 2: Oh Jesus, no, I didn't know about this.

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Speaker 3: No future episode.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Creden's Clearwater Revival what and donated a boat? Unexpected cameo.

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Speaker 3: Oh, like the boat the Clearwater, like Pete Seeger's boat.

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Speaker 3: It still sales the Hudson. It does education programs and

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Speaker 2: It's great, is the banjo thing? Why everyone moved away

436
00:23:56,400 --> 00:24:01,400
Speaker 2: from tall shipsky, it's fun to make fun of banjo's

437
00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:03,560
Speaker 2: As an accordionist, I gotta take I gotta get my

438
00:24:03,560 --> 00:24:06,720
Speaker 2: shots in when I can. You know it can't be.

439
00:24:06,680 --> 00:24:08,840
Speaker 3: The same clear water though, because we're talking west coast,

440
00:24:08,920 --> 00:24:11,000
Speaker 3: east coast, and it is difficult to get out.

441
00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:13,440
Speaker 2: There's no way to get from one boat from one

442
00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:15,359
Speaker 2: side of the other. No, I have no idea.

443
00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:17,439
Speaker 3: It's a pain in the ass. You can do it.

444
00:24:17,520 --> 00:24:21,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think this was a tall shop either.

445
00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:24,680
Speaker 2: I think this was like a boat with a motor.

446
00:24:25,720 --> 00:24:26,280
Speaker 2: But I don't know.

447
00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:29,280
Speaker 3: You just accidentally made room for me to talk about

448
00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:30,240
Speaker 3: tall ships.

449
00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:35,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, No, it's okay. The Black Panthers and the

450
00:24:35,400 --> 00:24:38,360
Speaker 2: brown Berets handled security to get food to the island,

451
00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:43,480
Speaker 2: and I got to read you the occupier's proclamation because

452
00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:44,480
Speaker 2: it goes so hard.

453
00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:47,800
Speaker 3: Love a good proclamation. Let's hear it to.

454
00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:50,600
Speaker 2: The great White Father and all his people. We the

455
00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:53,720
Speaker 2: Native Americans, reclaim the land known as Alcatraz Island in

456
00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:56,200
Speaker 2: the name of all American Indians by right of discovery.

457
00:24:56,640 --> 00:24:59,080
Speaker 2: We feel that this so called Alcatraz Island is more

458
00:24:59,119 --> 00:25:02,080
Speaker 2: than suitable for an Indi reservation as determined by the

459
00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:04,840
Speaker 2: white man's own standard. By this, we mean that the

460
00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:09,280
Speaker 2: place resembles most Indian reservations in that one it is

461
00:25:09,280 --> 00:25:12,800
Speaker 2: isolated from modern facilities and without adequate means of transportation.

462
00:25:13,560 --> 00:25:17,000
Speaker 2: Two it has no fresh running water. Three it has

463
00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:21,280
Speaker 2: inadequate sanitation supplies. Four there are no oil or mineral rights.

464
00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:25,040
Speaker 2: Five there is no industry, so unemployment is very great.

465
00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:29,359
Speaker 2: Six there are no healthcare facilities. Seven the soil is

466
00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:32,080
Speaker 2: rocky and unproductive, and the land does not support game.

467
00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:36,479
Speaker 2: Eight there are no educational facilities. Nine the population has

468
00:25:36,520 --> 00:25:40,200
Speaker 2: always exceeded the land base. Ten the population has always

469
00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:44,000
Speaker 2: been held as prisoners and kept dependent upon others. Further,

470
00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:46,639
Speaker 2: it would be fitting and symbolic that ships from all

471
00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:49,280
Speaker 2: over the world entering the Golden Gate would first see

472
00:25:49,320 --> 00:25:51,800
Speaker 2: Indian land and thus be reminded of the true history

473
00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:54,560
Speaker 2: of this nation. This tiny island would be a symbol

474
00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:58,400
Speaker 2: of the great lands once ruled by free and noble Indians.

475
00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:00,840
Speaker 3: Go so hard.

476
00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:05,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, so good. They had a couple problems. The biggest

477
00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:08,520
Speaker 2: one was the Coast Guard. Another problem was white people,

478
00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:15,159
Speaker 2: specifically white allies, specifically hippies. For a while, white allies

479
00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:16,959
Speaker 2: were allowed to join the occupation and spend the night,

480
00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:19,360
Speaker 2: but pretty soon all the a political hippies were out

481
00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:21,520
Speaker 2: there like doing drugs and shit and fucking everything up,

482
00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:24,880
Speaker 2: and so they decided that only Indigenous folks could sleep there,

483
00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:26,720
Speaker 2: which seems fucking reasonable.

484
00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:31,160
Speaker 3: So so so reasonable and such a good policy. Yeah,

485
00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:32,679
Speaker 3: I was at Occupy Wall Street.

486
00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:40,520
Speaker 2: I yeah. In the end, internal conflict and repression worked

487
00:26:40,520 --> 00:26:42,639
Speaker 2: together and eventually their numbers dropped low enough that the

488
00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:45,159
Speaker 2: government just came in and arrested the people who remained.

489
00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:47,639
Speaker 2: But this is more. This is a year and a

490
00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:48,600
Speaker 2: fucking a half, you know.

491
00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:51,800
Speaker 3: Wow. I didn't know as it went on that long either.

492
00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:57,760
Speaker 2: In nineteen months. Wow, the occupation said a precedent and

493
00:26:57,880 --> 00:27:00,760
Speaker 2: really got shit going, and it shifted public opinion and

494
00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:04,120
Speaker 2: eventually was part of shifting government policy away from termination

495
00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:08,000
Speaker 2: and towards indigenous autonomy. It shifted so much that after

496
00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:09,639
Speaker 2: this Nixon had to come out and say that the

497
00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:13,320
Speaker 2: policy had shifted towards offering self determination, which is pretty

498
00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:16,720
Speaker 2: impressive when you get fucking Nixon to say something progressive.

499
00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:21,960
Speaker 2: You know, his pretend favorable opinion was going to revert later,

500
00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:27,320
Speaker 2: of course, and a ton of folks from the occupation

501
00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:33,160
Speaker 2: wound up AIM members Later after, you know, as things

502
00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:35,840
Speaker 2: really are getting going, a ton of spiritual leaders in

503
00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:38,760
Speaker 2: the various nations supported AIM and the Red Power movement

504
00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:41,480
Speaker 2: more broadly, even though it had started in the cities.

505
00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:46,200
Speaker 2: So these kids who'd been stolen from their culture enforced

506
00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:49,200
Speaker 2: into cities were folding back together with the traditional folks

507
00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:53,040
Speaker 2: who were still on the reservations. Basically, one of the

508
00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:56,879
Speaker 2: first spiritual leaders to endorse the American Indian Movement was

509
00:27:56,960 --> 00:28:00,280
Speaker 2: Leonard crow Dog, the great grandson of crow Dog, the

510
00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:02,480
Speaker 2: guy who'd killed Spotted Tail for being a sellout in

511
00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:06,520
Speaker 2: last week's episodes. And there's going to be a lot

512
00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:09,840
Speaker 2: of like direct like, hey, this is the grand kid

513
00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:11,680
Speaker 2: of the person that we talked about last time.

514
00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:12,439
Speaker 1: You know.

515
00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:16,879
Speaker 3: Yeah, this goes to what you were saying before about

516
00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:20,320
Speaker 3: this not being a rebirth, yeah, but a continuity.

517
00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:25,719
Speaker 2: Yeah. The middle ground position, the middle of the road position,

518
00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:28,080
Speaker 2: were people who supported the Bureau of Indian Affairs, and

519
00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:30,679
Speaker 2: this was disappearing as people. More and more people are

520
00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:34,960
Speaker 2: joining AIM and they're also joining the Indians of All Tribes,

521
00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:38,160
Speaker 2: which is the group that started with the Alcatraz occupation.

522
00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:41,160
Speaker 2: They started as that student group and then eventually they

523
00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:43,880
Speaker 2: were like, we're the Indians of All Tribes as well

524
00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:46,440
Speaker 2: as a There's another group that was picking up around

525
00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:49,440
Speaker 2: this time as well, called the United Native Americans, which

526
00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:53,840
Speaker 2: is a nonprofit that's still around today. And soon into

527
00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:56,760
Speaker 2: all of this stuff that's happening comes this week's main hero,

528
00:28:57,440 --> 00:29:03,760
Speaker 2: Leonard Peltier. Leonard Peltier was born on September twelfth, nineteen

529
00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:08,320
Speaker 2: forty four, in North Dakota. His family was migrant workers

530
00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:11,040
Speaker 2: who picked potatoes. Basically, it was like indigenous folks picked

531
00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:15,320
Speaker 2: the potatoes and folks were indigenous to Mexico picked the

532
00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:20,080
Speaker 2: beats in the area that lived in. Peltier describes his

533
00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:23,680
Speaker 2: lineage as sue Ajibwe and one to eighth French. He

534
00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:27,719
Speaker 2: grew up speaking English in a Jibwe. His father and

535
00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:30,680
Speaker 2: uncle fought the Nazis in World War Two. His uncle

536
00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:33,920
Speaker 2: died fighting fascism and his dad had his legs machine gunned.

537
00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:38,200
Speaker 2: When his parents separated, he was raised by his grandparents,

538
00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:42,320
Speaker 2: which was a fairly traditional way to be raised. He

539
00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:44,400
Speaker 2: spent a few years as a kid on a ranch

540
00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:46,360
Speaker 2: in the res. Then he was off to Butte, Montana,

541
00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:48,640
Speaker 2: where his family worked in a copper mine. He was

542
00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:50,719
Speaker 2: there for a little bit, but then white kids were

543
00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:53,520
Speaker 2: bullying him for being indigenous. There's a couple indigenous kids

544
00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:56,760
Speaker 2: and families at the copper mine, right, White kids were

545
00:29:56,800 --> 00:29:59,880
Speaker 2: like throwing rocks and shit at him and yelling racially.

546
00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:04,760
Speaker 2: And finally, after being pelted with rocks, he threw one

547
00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:06,640
Speaker 2: back and hit a kid in the head. And this

548
00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:10,320
Speaker 2: is going to be a really good symbolism moment. It's

549
00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:14,640
Speaker 2: almost too on the nose, but you know where he

550
00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:22,000
Speaker 2: hit the kid. Yeah, So the bully's mom, whose name

551
00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:26,720
Speaker 2: was probably Karen, drove over, Yeah, drove over and was like,

552
00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:29,880
Speaker 2: your son tried to kill my kid, and then started

553
00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:34,440
Speaker 2: yelling racist shit. But the women of Leonard's family drove

554
00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:35,840
Speaker 2: her away. They were like, Yeah, we're gonna beat the

555
00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:37,000
Speaker 2: shit out of you if you don't get the fuck

556
00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:37,440
Speaker 2: out of here.

557
00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:42,280
Speaker 3: Nothing nothing like showing up to complain and immediately justifying

558
00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:45,200
Speaker 3: you know, like, yeah, totally, where I see where your

559
00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:48,600
Speaker 3: shitty kid gets it from, right, No wonder our kids

560
00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:49,880
Speaker 3: threw a rock back at him.

561
00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:53,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, the violence started when the protesters threw the tear

562
00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:59,760
Speaker 2: gas canisters back at the police, you know exactly. And

563
00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:03,560
Speaker 2: so so Karen, whose name was definitely Karen, was going

564
00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:05,880
Speaker 2: to go to the authorities and get young Leonard arrested.

565
00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:09,200
Speaker 2: So the whole family up and moved that night to

566
00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:09,920
Speaker 2: a tiny rank.

567
00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:10,600
Speaker 3: Holy shit.

568
00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:14,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, the women and the kids left first. The men

569
00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:17,280
Speaker 2: stuck around to like pick up paychecks the next day,

570
00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:22,640
Speaker 2: and then got on the road, because that's the that's

571
00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:24,400
Speaker 2: what you got to do when your kid fights back

572
00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:25,880
Speaker 2: against racism.

573
00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:28,640
Speaker 3: You know. Yeah, and like that's the threat level you're

574
00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:31,080
Speaker 3: dealing with, especially like if you're trying to keep your

575
00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:31,760
Speaker 3: family together.

576
00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:35,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know. And so they go to their grandfather's ranch, where,

577
00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:40,320
Speaker 2: especially once the grandfather dies, Leonard is out hunting rabbits

578
00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:42,160
Speaker 2: with a sling shot, or the family is no meat,

579
00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:44,880
Speaker 2: you know, it's like, oh, no, you better go kill

580
00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:47,080
Speaker 2: a rabbit, which is really hard to do with a slingshot.

581
00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:49,920
Speaker 2: He writes about this a bit. Yeah, I bet you're like,

582
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:51,280
Speaker 2: I wish I had a twenty two, but I didn't

583
00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:54,800
Speaker 2: have a fucking twenty two, you know. Then, and he's

584
00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:57,480
Speaker 2: like eight or nine. Right when he's eight or nine,

585
00:31:57,520 --> 00:31:59,440
Speaker 2: the government came and fucking stole him off to an

586
00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:04,120
Speaker 2: Indian sco wapetan Indian school. The kids heads were shaved.

587
00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:07,360
Speaker 2: Long hair is a cultural indicator of indigeneity and like

588
00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:09,680
Speaker 2: a very important like part of the traditional stuff that

589
00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:11,480
Speaker 2: we'll be talking about. It's gonna come up a bunch.

590
00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:15,080
Speaker 2: And they were powdered with DDT too, you know, because

591
00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:19,160
Speaker 2: they're terrible, dirty kids or whatever, you know. And he's

592
00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:21,600
Speaker 2: stuck there for a year before his mother gets the

593
00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:26,000
Speaker 2: money together to come get him out. And he's like

594
00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:29,440
Speaker 2: eleven at this point or so him and him and

595
00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:32,280
Speaker 2: some other kids steal some gas from an army reserve

596
00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:34,840
Speaker 2: so the houses don't run out of fuel. They're like us,

597
00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:36,840
Speaker 2: storm's coming, and they're like, oh, we don't have any

598
00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:39,520
Speaker 2: fucking gas. We're gonna run out of fuel. We're gonna

599
00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:43,280
Speaker 2: be screwed. And so the eleven year old goes and

600
00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:47,640
Speaker 2: steals some gas from the like army. Right, he's caught.

601
00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:50,360
Speaker 2: He spends two weeks in jail and then he's sent

602
00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:52,479
Speaker 2: off again, this time to live with his father on

603
00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:56,440
Speaker 2: Turtle Mountain Reservation in North Dakota, where everyone is fucking starving.

604
00:32:57,360 --> 00:33:00,440
Speaker 2: He used to go to community meetings just because there

605
00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:03,440
Speaker 2: was sometimes food, where like everyone would like pot luck

606
00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:05,200
Speaker 2: and you know, bring together what they had, you know.

607
00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:07,959
Speaker 2: And when he was fourteen or so, he had this

608
00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:11,440
Speaker 2: moment that changed his life. He saw an elder, a

609
00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:14,800
Speaker 2: Gway woman basically say why are there no more warriors

610
00:33:14,840 --> 00:33:17,640
Speaker 2: among our men? If there was, why did they not

611
00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:20,720
Speaker 2: stand up and fight for their starving children? And he

612
00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:23,040
Speaker 2: made a vow that he would help his people for

613
00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:26,960
Speaker 2: the rest of his life, and he has. He's never

614
00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:32,280
Speaker 2: broken that vow. It's been a long time since. Then,

615
00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:35,800
Speaker 2: in nineteen fifty eight, he's a young teen, he goes

616
00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:38,400
Speaker 2: to witness an illegal sun dance which was held secretly

617
00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:41,200
Speaker 2: at night in a teepee and the cops were afraid

618
00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:42,720
Speaker 2: to bust it up because there's a lot of people

619
00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:45,640
Speaker 2: and they were like adults, you know. So they arrested

620
00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:50,080
Speaker 2: the kids outside because they're cowards.

621
00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:51,560
Speaker 3: Because they're because cops.

622
00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:53,840
Speaker 2: Are brave, yeah, exactly.

623
00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:56,040
Speaker 3: As they are constantly telling us.

624
00:33:56,440 --> 00:33:59,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, And so they arrest Leonard for being drunk even

625
00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:04,520
Speaker 2: though he wasn't drunk. And this is still during the policy.

626
00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:07,320
Speaker 2: The period of termination that we're talking about, right is

627
00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:11,520
Speaker 2: nineteen late nineteen fifties, the BIA would announce literal policies

628
00:34:11,640 --> 00:34:14,920
Speaker 2: like no food for those who are resisting termination.

629
00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:22,120
Speaker 3: Like it's like fuck, Like it's not fucking subtle, like

630
00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:24,759
Speaker 3: like these days it is. It is considered fashionable to

631
00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:30,839
Speaker 3: at least pretend to not be evil. Yeah, Like you're

632
00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:32,960
Speaker 3: not supposed to just be like, oh, this is the

633
00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:35,360
Speaker 3: Department of Starving Children.

634
00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:40,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, totally. Yeah. And then people are like as an

635
00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:42,200
Speaker 2: adjective or a verb, and you're like, it's a verb.

636
00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:49,560
Speaker 2: We will starve them the Department to Starve Children. Yeah, yeah,

637
00:34:49,680 --> 00:34:51,760
Speaker 2: don't worry. We have like a we have a whole

638
00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:54,799
Speaker 2: budget set aside for implements to.

639
00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:57,640
Speaker 3: Hit them with. Like why are you like, like, you

640
00:34:58,040 --> 00:35:00,440
Speaker 3: come on, guys, you gotta at least pretend to be

641
00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:03,399
Speaker 3: not evil. Yeah, although I don't know, it's kind of great.

642
00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:05,920
Speaker 3: You know, it's kind of preferable, I guess, to be

643
00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:07,600
Speaker 3: openly evil than sneaky.

644
00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:12,799
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, like, you know, it's half a dozen

645
00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:18,160
Speaker 2: of one, you know. So he's fourteen years old, and

646
00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:20,239
Speaker 2: he moves out west after his mother, who's out there

647
00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:22,960
Speaker 2: doing migrant labor, to get out of where he is.

648
00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:26,040
Speaker 2: At seventeen, he tries to join the Marines to go

649
00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:29,239
Speaker 2: fight in Vietnam, but he's rejected for medical reasons because

650
00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:31,120
Speaker 2: his jaw was all fucked up from a bunch of

651
00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:33,000
Speaker 2: fights he'd been in and hadn't been able to get

652
00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:37,320
Speaker 2: medical care for. At twenty, he's living in Seattle, and

653
00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:39,720
Speaker 2: he's not political at this point, right, but he's trying

654
00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:41,840
Speaker 2: to do his best by people. He actually is political,

655
00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:45,480
Speaker 2: it just calls himself whatever anyway.

656
00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:48,600
Speaker 3: By people can be pretty political.

657
00:35:48,719 --> 00:35:50,920
Speaker 2: Oh he's fucking good at it. So he owns an

658
00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:54,839
Speaker 2: autobody shop in Seattle, and he uses the second floor

659
00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:57,919
Speaker 2: as a halfway house for indigenous folks recovering from alcoholism

660
00:35:58,040 --> 00:36:00,920
Speaker 2: or needed a place to go after getting out of jail.

661
00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:03,640
Speaker 2: He is twenty years old and he is running this

662
00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:05,640
Speaker 2: by himself. I mean there's other people work at the

663
00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:09,759
Speaker 2: auto shop and shit, right, but like everyone loves him.

664
00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:12,879
Speaker 2: He's a hard worker. He's kind and generous, and he's

665
00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:15,719
Speaker 2: at this point always looking to de escalate fights and

666
00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:19,440
Speaker 2: he's always about reminding people of who they are, you know.

667
00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:23,680
Speaker 2: In nineteen seventy, he gets involved in this first sort

668
00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:28,479
Speaker 2: of like protest thing. Leonard joins the American Indian Fort

669
00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:32,200
Speaker 2: Lawton Occupation Forces, which is a fucking go and hard

670
00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:38,319
Speaker 2: name for a activist group because they well, you'll be

671
00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:40,840
Speaker 2: shocked to know that the American Indian Fort Lawton Occupation

672
00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:43,520
Speaker 2: Forces were a group of American Indians who occupied Fort

673
00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:49,719
Speaker 2: Lawton Awesome in an Alcatraz style takeover of abandoned surplus

674
00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:53,880
Speaker 2: land around an abandoned fort called Fort Lawton. Veterans of

675
00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:57,560
Speaker 2: the Alcatraz Occupation came up to help them, and after

676
00:36:57,640 --> 00:37:00,840
Speaker 2: three weeks of occupation, the indigenous folks won the Daybreak

677
00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:01,960
Speaker 2: Star Cultural Center.

678
00:37:03,080 --> 00:37:05,479
Speaker 3: Hell yeah, because this time they didn't let the white

679
00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:06,359
Speaker 3: hippies come along.

680
00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:09,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, totally just got it and fucking got it done. They

681
00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:13,759
Speaker 2: did let Jane Fonda come Okay, well again she was

682
00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:14,560
Speaker 2: gonna she was.

683
00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:17,000
Speaker 3: Required at most most things.

684
00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:19,279
Speaker 2: No, there's at the time, and there's some quotes they

685
00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:20,920
Speaker 2: didn't make it into the script, but there's some quotes

686
00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:23,040
Speaker 2: from folks who were part of that occupation who were like, uh,

687
00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:26,200
Speaker 2: we kind of it kind of worked. Jane Fondo is

688
00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:28,600
Speaker 2: a big part of it working, you know, like the

689
00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:33,680
Speaker 2: star power being used to draw attention, Like, yeah, Jane

690
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:36,319
Speaker 2: Fonda didn't do it, The Indigenous people did it. But

691
00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:42,520
Speaker 2: like she she opened some doors. And this was not

692
00:37:42,719 --> 00:37:48,120
Speaker 2: a nonviolent occupation. This was months of breaking into the fort, arrests,

693
00:37:48,160 --> 00:37:50,720
Speaker 2: fighting riot cops, and just doing it all over again,

694
00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:56,200
Speaker 2: all alongside court maneuvers to claim the land. When Leonard

695
00:37:56,239 --> 00:37:59,240
Speaker 2: was arrested alongside thirteen others, all of them were beaten

696
00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:02,279
Speaker 2: in custody, and then they like were letting him go

697
00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:05,640
Speaker 2: and he was like, I'm not fucking leaving until everyone leaves.

698
00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:08,319
Speaker 2: And then like it was his idea he spread that

699
00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:11,400
Speaker 2: they did jail solidarity. Basically they were like, well, we

700
00:38:11,440 --> 00:38:13,880
Speaker 2: are not leaving until everyone leaves, and they were all released.

701
00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:16,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean when people are getting beaten in custody,

702
00:38:16,719 --> 00:38:19,799
Speaker 3: it's not a good idea to like let people just disappear.

703
00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:25,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, anyone who's listening, you should look into jail solidarity.

704
00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:29,160
Speaker 2: It is sometimes effective. I have used it successfully twice

705
00:38:30,680 --> 00:38:34,200
Speaker 2: where you I only recommend doing this if you plan it,

706
00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:38,160
Speaker 2: but it involves refusing to cooperate once you are arrested

707
00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:42,320
Speaker 2: in a mass arrest type situation in order to prevent

708
00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:45,480
Speaker 2: people from being singled out and like give an escalated

709
00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:49,160
Speaker 2: charges and things like that. Don't do it based on

710
00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:52,920
Speaker 2: that one sentence description. Do your own reasons. Talk to

711
00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:56,040
Speaker 2: your lawyer, yeah, Miriam, your lawyer.

712
00:38:56,239 --> 00:38:56,759
Speaker 3: Yeah.

713
00:38:56,960 --> 00:38:59,799
Speaker 2: No, dad, oh right, don't talk to your dad about it.

714
00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:02,839
Speaker 2: You can talk to Mirror. No, don't actually no, don't

715
00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:04,799
Speaker 2: talk about crime with anyone that you're planning that. Don't

716
00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:06,759
Speaker 2: talk about No. None of you have ever done crime

717
00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:10,360
Speaker 2: and never will. No, don't do crime. It's bad, immoral,

718
00:39:10,680 --> 00:39:15,919
Speaker 2: except all the crimes that I'm talking about that are cool. Yeah,

719
00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:19,680
Speaker 2: all right. So after this particular fight was one only

720
00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:24,319
Speaker 2: through peaceful law abidingness, despite what I just said, he

721
00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:26,799
Speaker 2: wound up in Denver and he joined AIM, all the

722
00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:29,879
Speaker 2: while continuing to do migrant labor, right because he's still

723
00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:33,400
Speaker 2: got to eat, you know, he quits drinking. At this point,

724
00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:35,880
Speaker 2: there's a growing sense of seriousness in the movement and

725
00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:39,480
Speaker 2: a growing sense of discipline. There's actually already some divisions

726
00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:42,440
Speaker 2: within AIM between people who wanted national leadership and those

727
00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:45,439
Speaker 2: who wanted regional autonomy and people who are like more

728
00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:49,400
Speaker 2: into not drinking, and people are into drinking and discipline,

729
00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:52,759
Speaker 2: and I'm I'll talk about a little bit about that,

730
00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:54,799
Speaker 2: but we'll get to that later, but it's not gonna

731
00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:57,279
Speaker 2: be the main focus. And for a while at least,

732
00:39:57,320 --> 00:40:00,160
Speaker 2: they refuse to let that split them, and people who

733
00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:02,480
Speaker 2: would like lose votes would just stick it out with

734
00:40:02,560 --> 00:40:04,759
Speaker 2: the main group. And they managed to do all of

735
00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:08,640
Speaker 2: their most amazing shit after they already had had these

736
00:40:08,680 --> 00:40:11,960
Speaker 2: fairly large disagreements, And I think that's fucking.

737
00:40:11,719 --> 00:40:16,960
Speaker 3: Co Yeah, being able to still work with people with

738
00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:22,200
Speaker 3: whom you have significant disagreement is like pretty crucial.

739
00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:29,120
Speaker 2: Yea's the only way I've even gets done. Yeah, literally, Like, yeah,

740
00:40:29,560 --> 00:40:33,560
Speaker 2: white vigilanti groups are up being anti indigenous violence everywhere

741
00:40:33,600 --> 00:40:36,880
Speaker 2: as folks start organizing more and more. One of the

742
00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:41,200
Speaker 2: leaders of the Alcatraz occupation was a peaceful mohawk activist

743
00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:44,640
Speaker 2: named Richard Oaks who had helped set up indigenous education

744
00:40:44,719 --> 00:40:48,320
Speaker 2: everywhere he went. When he was thirty, he was murdered

745
00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:50,719
Speaker 2: by a white guy named Michael Morgan, who shot the

746
00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:54,440
Speaker 2: unarmed man, claimed self defense and got away with it.

747
00:40:56,360 --> 00:40:59,040
Speaker 2: And of course there's just generic racist violence that they're

748
00:40:59,040 --> 00:41:02,080
Speaker 2: all dealing with too. But before they can deal with that,

749
00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:05,399
Speaker 2: do you know, what else they have to deal with, Miriam,

750
00:41:05,560 --> 00:41:07,919
Speaker 2: is this a fucking ad plug? They have to deal

751
00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:11,319
Speaker 2: with pressing the skip button like three four times until

752
00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:12,799
Speaker 2: they hear the bumper music come back on.

753
00:41:13,160 --> 00:41:17,319
Speaker 3: Wow. Yeah, that's a lot to deal with. I think

754
00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:19,439
Speaker 3: all your listeners can deal with that, though.

755
00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:22,439
Speaker 2: I hope so, except sometimes you're like listening.

756
00:41:22,120 --> 00:41:23,360
Speaker 3: If you're driving or something.

757
00:41:23,520 --> 00:41:26,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like they think you have to controls aren't really. Yeah,

758
00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:27,960
Speaker 2: Like like for me, it's like when I'm like doing

759
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:30,319
Speaker 2: like woodworking or something, and I'm like, ah, I might,

760
00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:33,759
Speaker 2: or like there's a chainsaw in my hands, I can't.

761
00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:36,400
Speaker 2: I'm just trying out my butch points here. I'm exaggerating.

762
00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:38,320
Speaker 3: You understand suffering?

763
00:41:38,520 --> 00:41:47,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. God. Anyway, here's some ads, and we're back

764
00:41:48,239 --> 00:41:50,799
Speaker 2: in nineteen seventy two, the American Indian Movement won the

765
00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:53,080
Speaker 2: respect of the traditionalists who lived on the reservations and

766
00:41:53,120 --> 00:41:55,399
Speaker 2: in particular on Pine Ridge. There's already some folks who

767
00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:57,560
Speaker 2: were starting to respect them. But there's one thing that

768
00:41:57,600 --> 00:42:03,320
Speaker 2: they did that really cemented this. A man named Raymond

769
00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:07,279
Speaker 2: Yellow Thunder was treated badly enough that I won't go

770
00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:10,200
Speaker 2: into details. He was beaten and stripped and paraded around

771
00:42:10,280 --> 00:42:12,720
Speaker 2: in front of a white crowd in Nebraska, just across

772
00:42:12,760 --> 00:42:15,520
Speaker 2: the border from Pine Ridge in South Dakota. And he

773
00:42:15,640 --> 00:42:17,560
Speaker 2: died from his wounds the next morning.

774
00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:23,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, so that like, like he was lynched, Like, that's

775
00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:26,120
Speaker 3: it less, I meanategorizing.

776
00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:27,080
Speaker 2: It that way, well, okay, I mean if you're taking

777
00:42:27,160 --> 00:42:30,319
Speaker 2: lynches like taken from custody, then no, right, no, But

778
00:42:30,560 --> 00:42:34,000
Speaker 2: he suffered that way, he suffered racial abuse. It's unclear

779
00:42:34,040 --> 00:42:37,080
Speaker 2: whether they were like he was in a racist attempt,

780
00:42:37,239 --> 00:42:40,279
Speaker 2: in a racist attack. Yeah, I think that is a

781
00:42:40,280 --> 00:42:43,360
Speaker 2: fair thing to say. Yeah, he died from his wounds

782
00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:46,839
Speaker 2: the next morning. The two white dudes, the brothers, Uh

783
00:42:47,239 --> 00:42:49,239
Speaker 2: brothers are the last named Hair. They were like the

784
00:42:49,320 --> 00:42:53,840
Speaker 2: main people who did this, right, They were arrested but

785
00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:56,560
Speaker 2: released without bail, and everything was in place for them

786
00:42:56,640 --> 00:43:00,520
Speaker 2: to just get off unpunished. Yellow Thunder's family tried to

787
00:43:00,520 --> 00:43:02,440
Speaker 2: go to like the cops and shit, and then they

788
00:43:02,520 --> 00:43:04,920
Speaker 2: tried to go to BIA the Bureau of Indian Affairs.

789
00:43:05,880 --> 00:43:08,640
Speaker 2: No one was helping them, so they went to Aim.

790
00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:14,920
Speaker 2: Aim brought in a two hundred car caravan and forced

791
00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:18,600
Speaker 2: the FEDS to file actual charges against the Hairs and

792
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:24,920
Speaker 2: for the chief of police to be fired. Like everyone

793
00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:27,799
Speaker 2: listening has like probably been around some like how hard

794
00:43:27,840 --> 00:43:30,080
Speaker 2: it is to get police to be held accountable for anything.

795
00:43:30,640 --> 00:43:30,840
Speaker 1: You know.

796
00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:35,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, AIM got the chief of police fired for this.

797
00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:40,840
Speaker 2: One of the main organizers for this protest was another

798
00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:44,960
Speaker 2: AIM leader, Russell Means, who's also famous for voice acting

799
00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:47,600
Speaker 2: in Pocahontas and playing a role in Natural Born Killers.

800
00:43:48,520 --> 00:43:50,560
Speaker 2: Also he did a ton of other activism, and there's

801
00:43:50,600 --> 00:43:53,760
Speaker 2: like lots of complicated political debate with Indiandigenous right movements

802
00:43:53,800 --> 00:43:57,239
Speaker 2: about blah blah blah blah blah. But he helped get

803
00:43:57,360 --> 00:44:02,360
Speaker 2: justice for Raymond. Yellow Thunder car caravans were clearly an

804
00:44:02,360 --> 00:44:06,120
Speaker 2: effective strategy, so they got themselves together to a really

805
00:44:06,160 --> 00:44:11,320
Speaker 2: fucking big one. Also, in nineteen seventy two, various indigenous

806
00:44:11,360 --> 00:44:14,080
Speaker 2: rights groups united and set off on the Trail of

807
00:44:14,120 --> 00:44:18,400
Speaker 2: Broken Treaties. And this was a cross country caravan of

808
00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:21,799
Speaker 2: cars that when it gathered and departed from Minneapolis, and

809
00:44:21,840 --> 00:44:26,000
Speaker 2: this is only about three quarters, there's like four, there's

810
00:44:26,080 --> 00:44:28,719
Speaker 2: four caravans from across the country. Right, three of them

811
00:44:28,719 --> 00:44:30,840
Speaker 2: gathered in Minneapolis and set out together, and one of

812
00:44:30,840 --> 00:44:34,000
Speaker 2: them did a symbolic thing from Oklahoma. Reverse of the

813
00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:38,080
Speaker 2: trailer tears and the one that departed from Minneapolis was

814
00:44:38,120 --> 00:44:42,879
Speaker 2: over four miles long. This caravan wow, and they drove

815
00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:45,840
Speaker 2: to DC. In this caravan. There were seven hundred folks

816
00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:50,840
Speaker 2: from two hundred different tribes and nations. Eight movements organized this.

817
00:44:51,200 --> 00:44:54,200
Speaker 2: Only AIM is remembered partly because they were spicy, partly

818
00:44:54,200 --> 00:44:58,160
Speaker 2: because of branding, and partly because of some lawsuits and

819
00:44:58,200 --> 00:45:00,239
Speaker 2: crimes that we're going to talk about later. That is

820
00:45:00,239 --> 00:45:02,480
Speaker 2: why AIM is remembered. Those just want to like shout

821
00:45:02,560 --> 00:45:05,840
Speaker 2: all the eight groups out there was the American Indian Movement,

822
00:45:05,960 --> 00:45:09,200
Speaker 2: the National Indian Brotherhood came down from Canada, the Native

823
00:45:09,200 --> 00:45:12,920
Speaker 2: Americans Right Rights Fund, the National Indian Youth Council, the

824
00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:17,520
Speaker 2: National American Indian Council, the National Council Council on Indian Work,

825
00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:21,480
Speaker 2: National Indian Leadership Training, and the American Indian Committee on

826
00:45:21,520 --> 00:45:25,160
Speaker 2: Alcohol and Drug Abuse. These eight groups got together to

827
00:45:25,239 --> 00:45:28,880
Speaker 2: do this. Along the way, they stopped on reservations to

828
00:45:28,920 --> 00:45:32,120
Speaker 2: hold demonstrations and workshops and listening sessions to be like, hey,

829
00:45:32,239 --> 00:45:34,680
Speaker 2: when we go talk to the lawmakers, because they they

830
00:45:34,719 --> 00:45:37,440
Speaker 2: promised they'd meet with us, what should we say, like,

831
00:45:37,480 --> 00:45:40,520
Speaker 2: what's going on? You know? Which is an important thing

832
00:45:40,520 --> 00:45:44,960
Speaker 2: that activists need to stay good at listening sessions.

833
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:46,640
Speaker 3: Oh, listening to people. Yeah.

834
00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:51,319
Speaker 2: Yeah. They timed this caravan to reach DC the week

835
00:45:51,360 --> 00:45:53,880
Speaker 2: before the nineteen seventy two election. Their goal was to

836
00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:56,200
Speaker 2: show up and present Nixon with a twenty point list

837
00:45:56,200 --> 00:45:58,920
Speaker 2: of demands that they had put together. And these demands

838
00:45:58,920 --> 00:46:01,400
Speaker 2: are shit, like give us back the right to negotiate

839
00:46:01,440 --> 00:46:04,920
Speaker 2: with the US as nations, that's the big one. It

840
00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:07,800
Speaker 2: put together a committee to investigate all the broken treaties,

841
00:46:08,120 --> 00:46:11,760
Speaker 2: replace the BIA with an Office of Federal Indian Relations

842
00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:16,000
Speaker 2: and Community Reconstruction, and the termination acts. Give us some

843
00:46:16,160 --> 00:46:18,560
Speaker 2: of the land back. They wanted a one hundred and

844
00:46:18,560 --> 00:46:21,040
Speaker 2: ten million acres out of the two point four to

845
00:46:21,040 --> 00:46:25,160
Speaker 2: three billion that is the US. This is roughly twice

846
00:46:25,200 --> 00:46:28,719
Speaker 2: the acreage of all current reservations. This is the kind

847
00:46:28,719 --> 00:46:32,160
Speaker 2: of stuff they were asking for. Later and like almost

848
00:46:32,160 --> 00:46:33,200
Speaker 2: absurdly reasonable.

849
00:46:33,360 --> 00:46:33,600
Speaker 1: Yeah.

850
00:46:34,360 --> 00:46:36,600
Speaker 2: Later, this document formed the basis of the two thousand

851
00:46:36,600 --> 00:46:42,120
Speaker 2: and seven UN Declaration of Rights of Indigenous People. Nixon

852
00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:46,200
Speaker 2: didn't bother to meet with them. And this is going

853
00:46:46,280 --> 00:46:48,320
Speaker 2: to shock you again. Get ready to get ready to

854
00:46:48,360 --> 00:46:48,960
Speaker 2: get shocked.

855
00:46:49,560 --> 00:46:50,520
Speaker 3: Embracing myself.

856
00:46:50,600 --> 00:46:52,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, the government went back on all its promises. If

857
00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:58,480
Speaker 2: meetings was various officials the Department of the Interior, Labor

858
00:46:58,600 --> 00:47:01,200
Speaker 2: and Commerce all can't on them at the last minute

859
00:47:01,200 --> 00:47:01,960
Speaker 2: without reason.

860
00:47:03,520 --> 00:47:06,759
Speaker 3: Wait are you, Margaret? Are you telling me that the

861
00:47:06,880 --> 00:47:10,200
Speaker 3: US government broke promises to Indigenous people?

862
00:47:10,400 --> 00:47:13,520
Speaker 2: I know, I know that's clearly only happened a thousand

863
00:47:13,600 --> 00:47:17,120
Speaker 2: years ago. The National Park Service denied them the right

864
00:47:17,160 --> 00:47:21,200
Speaker 2: to gather at Arlington Ridge Park, and the government forbade

865
00:47:21,239 --> 00:47:23,720
Speaker 2: the BIA from helping them out with housing and shit,

866
00:47:24,120 --> 00:47:28,080
Speaker 2: even though usually when delegations of tribes and nations would

867
00:47:28,120 --> 00:47:30,440
Speaker 2: come to DC, the BIA was in charge of like

868
00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:33,680
Speaker 2: finding everyone housing and shit like that, and they like

869
00:47:34,040 --> 00:47:36,040
Speaker 2: did they were like, Oh, there's like this church that's

870
00:47:36,080 --> 00:47:38,800
Speaker 2: literally full of rats. Where I guess your elders could sleep.

871
00:47:38,960 --> 00:47:42,160
Speaker 2: I don't know. And it's interesting because the I think

872
00:47:42,160 --> 00:47:43,600
Speaker 2: the head of the BIA didn't put this in the

873
00:47:43,600 --> 00:47:45,640
Speaker 2: script that I think the head of the BIA was

874
00:47:45,680 --> 00:47:48,560
Speaker 2: actually like was an Indigenous person and was like wanted

875
00:47:48,560 --> 00:47:51,239
Speaker 2: to be supportive and was just like not allowed, you know.

876
00:47:52,120 --> 00:47:55,200
Speaker 2: So the organizers were like, all right, fuck it, We're

877
00:47:55,200 --> 00:47:57,719
Speaker 2: going to sit in the BIA until our elders have

878
00:47:57,800 --> 00:48:00,719
Speaker 2: a place to sleep. Right, that's their fuck can demand again.

879
00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:04,239
Speaker 3: Right, They're like, yeah, don't put our elders in a

880
00:48:04,360 --> 00:48:05,040
Speaker 3: rat church.

881
00:48:05,200 --> 00:48:08,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, like rat churches for rats and rat friends.

882
00:48:09,520 --> 00:48:09,920
Speaker 2: That's it.

883
00:48:10,160 --> 00:48:13,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, the rats, the Rat priests, the whole

884
00:48:13,560 --> 00:48:16,600
Speaker 3: Rat congregation, Rat nuns, yeah, all of those guys.

885
00:48:16,680 --> 00:48:18,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, they can hang out of Rat But this was

886
00:48:18,640 --> 00:48:20,919
Speaker 2: not any of the people who were there. So right,

887
00:48:21,600 --> 00:48:24,320
Speaker 2: So they decided to sit in at the BIA building.

888
00:48:25,000 --> 00:48:28,680
Speaker 2: More than a thousand people participated. The cops tried to

889
00:48:28,680 --> 00:48:33,880
Speaker 2: evict them violently, so people rioted, drove off, the police

890
00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:36,839
Speaker 2: barricaded the doors. They put up a banner that said

891
00:48:36,880 --> 00:48:40,080
Speaker 2: Native American Embassy and took over the Beerhouve Indian Affairs.

892
00:48:41,040 --> 00:48:44,200
Speaker 2: Hell yeah, they are the fucking raining champs of taking

893
00:48:44,200 --> 00:48:45,640
Speaker 2: shit over in good ways.

894
00:48:46,200 --> 00:48:47,640
Speaker 3: They're really good at it.

895
00:48:47,800 --> 00:48:51,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, they all. So they spent a week in

896
00:48:51,040 --> 00:48:55,080
Speaker 2: the building, and they spent that week combing through records

897
00:48:55,280 --> 00:48:57,960
Speaker 2: that proved just how shitty that they'd been treated.

898
00:48:58,160 --> 00:49:01,400
Speaker 3: Right, oh shit, because they are locked in there with

899
00:49:01,440 --> 00:49:04,080
Speaker 3: all the records. Yeah, oh my god.

900
00:49:04,560 --> 00:49:07,759
Speaker 2: All the while they're defending the place with molotovs and

901
00:49:07,840 --> 00:49:10,880
Speaker 2: the press ate it up. But they ate it up

902
00:49:10,920 --> 00:49:13,520
Speaker 2: in the bad way where they were like yeah, they

903
00:49:13,520 --> 00:49:16,719
Speaker 2: were like, oh no, these like bad people. They like

904
00:49:16,760 --> 00:49:22,160
Speaker 2: broke some furniture and they spray painted, and this action

905
00:49:22,480 --> 00:49:25,520
Speaker 2: is what cements AIM's reputation as the bad kids. They

906
00:49:25,520 --> 00:49:28,399
Speaker 2: are the vandals. Never mind that the cops actually did

907
00:49:28,440 --> 00:49:30,319
Speaker 2: most of the damage to the building during all their

908
00:49:30,360 --> 00:49:31,440
Speaker 2: various attacks and stuff.

909
00:49:31,440 --> 00:49:35,920
Speaker 3: You know, also like most government buildings could use a

910
00:49:35,920 --> 00:49:38,839
Speaker 3: little spray paint and the little broken stuff like oh yeah,

911
00:49:38,840 --> 00:49:40,719
Speaker 3: this is what I hate like when people acted like

912
00:49:40,760 --> 00:49:43,360
Speaker 3: the bad thing about the January sixth riders was that

913
00:49:43,400 --> 00:49:47,120
Speaker 3: they like broke things in the Capitol. It's like that's fine,

914
00:49:47,239 --> 00:49:49,280
Speaker 3: you know, it is the fascist stuff in the capital

915
00:49:49,400 --> 00:49:51,560
Speaker 3: needs to be broken. The bad thing is it was

916
00:49:51,640 --> 00:49:55,640
Speaker 3: fascists doing it to promote fascism. Fascists could hold a

917
00:49:55,680 --> 00:49:58,080
Speaker 3: fucking bake sale to promote fascism and it would be

918
00:49:58,120 --> 00:50:01,360
Speaker 3: like fuck you and your goddamn brownies. Like the issue

919
00:50:01,440 --> 00:50:06,160
Speaker 3: is is promoting fascism, not breaking Pelosi's desk.

920
00:50:06,480 --> 00:50:10,879
Speaker 2: Fuck Pelosi's desk. Yeah, oh absolutely, And so the news

921
00:50:10,960 --> 00:50:13,440
Speaker 2: runs with all these like look how ungrateful these people

922
00:50:13,440 --> 00:50:17,160
Speaker 2: are type stories and lots of things that are wearing

923
00:50:17,160 --> 00:50:17,720
Speaker 2: more racist.

924
00:50:17,800 --> 00:50:21,800
Speaker 3: People only say ungrateful when they have done absolutely fucking

925
00:50:21,880 --> 00:50:23,080
Speaker 3: nothing for the people.

926
00:50:22,800 --> 00:50:27,239
Speaker 2: They're calling ungrateful. Yeah, totally. And so at this point

927
00:50:27,280 --> 00:50:29,719
Speaker 2: the FBI decides they were all communists and enemy of

928
00:50:29,760 --> 00:50:35,080
Speaker 2: the state's enemies of the state, which is like, not true,

929
00:50:35,640 --> 00:50:38,880
Speaker 2: but I mean it's not the furthest but it's like whatever,

930
00:50:39,360 --> 00:50:39,719
Speaker 2: it's fun.

931
00:50:39,960 --> 00:50:42,520
Speaker 3: Like. Also, the state was the enemy of them, I know,

932
00:50:42,640 --> 00:50:45,160
Speaker 3: exactly showing up being like, hi, we have a very

933
00:50:45,160 --> 00:50:47,520
Speaker 3: reasonable list of demands and the state is like getting

934
00:50:47,520 --> 00:50:48,320
Speaker 3: the rat church.

935
00:50:48,440 --> 00:50:53,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like what the fuck you? Yeah, And at

936
00:50:53,040 --> 00:50:55,560
Speaker 2: this Leonard Peltier is one of the two heads of

937
00:50:55,600 --> 00:50:59,759
Speaker 2: security frame he hadn't really volunteered. Never trust the kind

938
00:50:59,760 --> 00:51:01,600
Speaker 2: of person who wants to volunteer to be head of s.

939
00:51:01,960 --> 00:51:05,560
Speaker 3: Was just gonna say I was just going to say, oh, wait,

940
00:51:05,640 --> 00:51:09,120
Speaker 3: he was head of security. That's that's good. But if

941
00:51:09,160 --> 00:51:12,480
Speaker 3: he didn't volunteer, then I trust him. I trust anybody

942
00:51:12,480 --> 00:51:14,760
Speaker 3: who doesn't volunteer to be head of security.

943
00:51:14,920 --> 00:51:18,600
Speaker 2: Yeah. No, he he was volunteered. Basically, there was like

944
00:51:18,719 --> 00:51:20,960
Speaker 2: him and someone else where people were like, look, you

945
00:51:21,000 --> 00:51:24,160
Speaker 2: all keep a you keep a calm head in crisis.

946
00:51:24,520 --> 00:51:25,719
Speaker 2: You're in charge of security.

947
00:51:26,480 --> 00:51:28,839
Speaker 3: Those are the two traits you want for a person

948
00:51:28,880 --> 00:51:31,080
Speaker 3: in charge of security, keeps a calm head in crisis.

949
00:51:31,200 --> 00:51:32,560
Speaker 3: Doesn't want that job.

950
00:51:32,520 --> 00:51:35,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, totally. And so after this he gets called on

951
00:51:35,880 --> 00:51:38,400
Speaker 2: for security all the time, and that's kind of one

952
00:51:38,400 --> 00:51:42,320
Speaker 2: of his main roles within aim going forward. That and

953
00:51:42,680 --> 00:51:48,320
Speaker 2: fugitive and political prisoner. But you know, we're not there yet. Yeah.

954
00:51:48,360 --> 00:51:51,160
Speaker 2: In the end, the government gives in a little bit

955
00:51:51,239 --> 00:51:54,560
Speaker 2: and offers them immunity from prosecution as well as sixty

956
00:51:54,600 --> 00:51:58,239
Speaker 2: six five hundred dollars as travel expenses for folks to

957
00:51:58,239 --> 00:52:01,520
Speaker 2: get home. They also promised that they would set up

958
00:52:01,520 --> 00:52:05,480
Speaker 2: a task force to consider the twenty points. And everyone

959
00:52:05,520 --> 00:52:08,080
Speaker 2: points this as like, oh, they like really fucked up

960
00:52:08,080 --> 00:52:11,120
Speaker 2: by taking over that building. No one was even going

961
00:52:11,120 --> 00:52:14,640
Speaker 2: to give them that much as setting up a task

962
00:52:14,680 --> 00:52:19,279
Speaker 2: force to consider it until fucking building takeovers and molotovs

963
00:52:19,320 --> 00:52:19,960
Speaker 2: got involved.

964
00:52:21,080 --> 00:52:24,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, it sounds like the first offer was nothing, yeah,

965
00:52:24,840 --> 00:52:27,960
Speaker 3: and then the post occupation offer was something yeah.

966
00:52:28,400 --> 00:52:34,359
Speaker 2: Yeah. Shockingly, get ready to get shocked. The task force

967
00:52:34,400 --> 00:52:40,920
Speaker 2: rejected the twenty points. No one sick thing that happened

968
00:52:40,960 --> 00:52:43,120
Speaker 2: as a result of the trail of broken treaties is

969
00:52:43,160 --> 00:52:46,240
Speaker 2: that the Piscataway people, one of the longest colonized indigenous

970
00:52:46,239 --> 00:52:48,799
Speaker 2: peoples in North America. The folks who lived around what's

971
00:52:48,800 --> 00:52:53,320
Speaker 2: now DC put together the Piscataway Resurrection to bring back

972
00:52:53,600 --> 00:52:57,719
Speaker 2: cultural culture and history and memory as a result of this,

973
00:52:57,880 --> 00:53:03,160
Speaker 2: basically and finally received recognition as like existing in twenty twelve.

974
00:53:04,840 --> 00:53:08,919
Speaker 2: But so the government withdraws its financial support of AIM

975
00:53:09,000 --> 00:53:11,359
Speaker 2: survival schools at this point, right because of the bad kids.

976
00:53:11,400 --> 00:53:15,000
Speaker 2: I promised that would happen, and it puts them on

977
00:53:15,120 --> 00:53:18,560
Speaker 2: extremist lists and it starts fucking with them. The Panthers

978
00:53:18,560 --> 00:53:21,520
Speaker 2: are like winding down owing to the repression that they've faced.

979
00:53:22,160 --> 00:53:24,919
Speaker 2: So the eye is sore on kind of turns towards AIM.

980
00:53:27,719 --> 00:53:31,360
Speaker 2: Shortly after returning to Milwaukee from the takeover, Leonard Peltier

981
00:53:31,440 --> 00:53:34,120
Speaker 2: is framed up on attempted murder. Basically, he's hanging out

982
00:53:34,120 --> 00:53:37,400
Speaker 2: this diner and these two undercovers are like trying to

983
00:53:37,400 --> 00:53:40,360
Speaker 2: pick a fight with him, and he's like, what the

984
00:53:40,400 --> 00:53:43,920
Speaker 2: fuck and then they like pull a gun on him,

985
00:53:44,560 --> 00:53:47,000
Speaker 2: arrest him. He didn't know there were cops. They search him,

986
00:53:47,160 --> 00:53:49,480
Speaker 2: they find an old shitty bretta that like literally was

987
00:53:49,520 --> 00:53:52,000
Speaker 2: proven in court, like couldn't fire, and then they put

988
00:53:52,040 --> 00:53:54,200
Speaker 2: him in jail for five months for attempted murder before

989
00:53:54,200 --> 00:53:55,680
Speaker 2: he gets out on.

990
00:53:55,600 --> 00:54:00,000
Speaker 3: Bail, attempted murder being near undercover cops.

991
00:54:00,360 --> 00:54:03,880
Speaker 2: That's pretty much yeah, same thing, gun rights for everyone

992
00:54:03,960 --> 00:54:10,200
Speaker 2: except indigenous people and all other marginalized people. He spends

993
00:54:10,239 --> 00:54:12,719
Speaker 2: most of what's coming next in a jail cell, but

994
00:54:13,840 --> 00:54:18,080
Speaker 2: we are going to talk about the most hardcore of

995
00:54:18,080 --> 00:54:24,480
Speaker 2: their occupations, all the shit that comes next on Wednesday

996
00:54:24,640 --> 00:54:27,720
Speaker 2: instead of today. You're gonna have to wait, well, not Mariam.

997
00:54:27,719 --> 00:54:31,279
Speaker 2: Miriam must wait like five minutes while I go pee haha.

998
00:54:31,320 --> 00:54:34,440
Speaker 2: But everyone else is to wait till Wednesday because you're

999
00:54:34,440 --> 00:54:37,400
Speaker 2: not Miriam. That's actually the one advantage of the name Miriam.

1000
00:54:37,560 --> 00:54:39,279
Speaker 2: You thought that Ian was the only one with a

1001
00:54:39,280 --> 00:54:41,239
Speaker 2: special thing related to the name.

1002
00:54:42,880 --> 00:54:46,880
Speaker 3: That's true. The advantage of the name Miriam is you

1003
00:54:46,920 --> 00:54:49,400
Speaker 3: get to hear things today instead of Wednesday. And this

1004
00:54:49,520 --> 00:54:52,200
Speaker 3: is like, yeah, one in ten people you meet will

1005
00:54:52,239 --> 00:54:54,560
Speaker 3: be like, oh I knew an old lady named Miriam once.

1006
00:54:57,280 --> 00:54:58,879
Speaker 2: It's like when I used to play accordion and people

1007
00:54:58,880 --> 00:55:00,160
Speaker 2: will just stop me on the street to be like

1008
00:55:00,200 --> 00:55:04,040
Speaker 2: my grandfather, and I'm like, uh huh, yep, and me

1009
00:55:04,440 --> 00:55:08,280
Speaker 2: will you give me money? I need to eat food anyway?

1010
00:55:08,840 --> 00:55:11,960
Speaker 2: Uh is the end of the episode until except for

1011
00:55:12,000 --> 00:55:14,359
Speaker 2: the plugs, which is Miriam, What do you want to plug?

1012
00:55:15,200 --> 00:55:16,399
Speaker 3: What did I plug last time?

1013
00:55:17,000 --> 00:55:18,800
Speaker 2: Medical, land Back Aid.

1014
00:55:18,640 --> 00:55:23,279
Speaker 3: For Palestinians and land back Yeah, replug those. Replug those

1015
00:55:25,719 --> 00:55:30,000
Speaker 3: landback dot org. Do that. I'm not online, you can't

1016
00:55:30,080 --> 00:55:30,960
Speaker 3: find me, ha ha.

1017
00:55:32,400 --> 00:55:35,560
Speaker 2: And I'm gonna plug an essay that people who if

1018
00:55:35,600 --> 00:55:38,319
Speaker 2: people are if white people in particular are thinking about

1019
00:55:38,400 --> 00:55:41,080
Speaker 2: how they want to be allies of indigenous people in

1020
00:55:41,120 --> 00:55:43,560
Speaker 2: all the direct action struggle that's happening for the environment.

1021
00:55:44,400 --> 00:55:47,640
Speaker 2: That's cool. And I would recommend that you read an

1022
00:55:47,719 --> 00:55:51,280
Speaker 2: essay that you can find online called Accomplices Not Allies,

1023
00:55:52,120 --> 00:55:56,440
Speaker 2: and it talks about the problems with the ally industrial

1024
00:55:56,480 --> 00:56:03,120
Speaker 2: complex and the ways in which people what it actually

1025
00:56:03,120 --> 00:56:07,360
Speaker 2: takes to be in solidarity with people. And I would

1026
00:56:07,360 --> 00:56:11,200
Speaker 2: recommend reading it if that's the thing you want to do.

1027
00:56:12,600 --> 00:56:14,680
Speaker 3: I like that you give your listeners homework.

1028
00:56:15,320 --> 00:56:19,000
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, no, that's why everyone likes me. Is the

1029
00:56:19,000 --> 00:56:24,120
Speaker 2: homework giver. That's a classically popular physician to be in

1030
00:56:24,680 --> 00:56:25,280
Speaker 2: that rules.

1031
00:56:25,640 --> 00:56:27,520
Speaker 3: Give them homework, yeah, make them work for it.

1032
00:56:27,680 --> 00:56:28,000
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1033
00:56:28,960 --> 00:56:31,120
Speaker 1: So if you got anything you want to plug, Oh,

1034
00:56:31,280 --> 00:56:33,520
Speaker 1: listen to Hood Politics with prop He's had some really

1035
00:56:33,560 --> 00:56:34,680
Speaker 1: awesome episodes lately.

1036
00:56:34,880 --> 00:56:38,200
Speaker 2: Elli. Yeah, that's been my cooking listening lately.

1037
00:56:39,360 --> 00:56:41,480
Speaker 1: That's a good show to listen to, like cook I.

1038
00:56:41,480 --> 00:56:46,840
Speaker 2: Know, all right, see you on Wednesday.

1039
00:56:46,840 --> 00:56:51,560
Speaker 3: Bye.

1040
00:56:52,600 --> 00:56:55,080
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00:56:55,120 --> 00:56:58,200
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