1 00:00:05,080 --> 00:00:09,080 Speaker 1: Dan Rubinstein, we have breaking news. 2 00:00:09,720 --> 00:00:12,160 Speaker 2: We do. We do have breaking news, and this is 3 00:00:12,280 --> 00:00:16,840 Speaker 2: breaking news season. This is three pm ish Eastern Sunday, 4 00:00:16,880 --> 00:00:21,560 Speaker 2: November twelfth, and this is when we start seeing coaches, 5 00:00:21,640 --> 00:00:24,840 Speaker 2: we start seeing players, We start seeing all sorts of 6 00:00:24,880 --> 00:00:28,080 Speaker 2: craziness as the season winds down, and we are here 7 00:00:28,400 --> 00:00:30,840 Speaker 2: to help juggle the chainsaws. 8 00:00:31,240 --> 00:00:34,199 Speaker 1: Juggle the chainsaws. The coaching carousels started to. 9 00:00:34,159 --> 00:00:36,400 Speaker 2: Spin the coaching. 10 00:00:41,640 --> 00:00:44,840 Speaker 1: An oldie, but a goodie in the soundclip department, Dan. 11 00:00:45,680 --> 00:00:53,519 Speaker 1: It became official earlier today. Reports emerged all throughout Twitter, Instagram, 12 00:00:53,560 --> 00:00:58,360 Speaker 1: Facebook message boards. Reported first by tech SAgs dot com, 13 00:00:58,400 --> 00:01:03,600 Speaker 1: Jimbo Fisher officially fired. This was his sixth season in 14 00:01:03,680 --> 00:01:06,880 Speaker 1: college station. The timing is interesting, of course, because they 15 00:01:06,920 --> 00:01:10,280 Speaker 1: just hung fifty one points on Mississippi State. However, I 16 00:01:10,280 --> 00:01:12,080 Speaker 1: don't think this comes as a great shock to any 17 00:01:12,080 --> 00:01:14,039 Speaker 1: of us who follow college football to hear that Jimbo 18 00:01:14,120 --> 00:01:17,240 Speaker 1: Fisher was going to be relieved of command. Some of 19 00:01:17,319 --> 00:01:21,280 Speaker 1: the details on Jimbo Fisher forty five and twenty five 20 00:01:21,319 --> 00:01:23,600 Speaker 1: in his time with A and M. He just signed 21 00:01:23,800 --> 00:01:28,720 Speaker 1: a new ten year extension with ninety five million dollars 22 00:01:28,800 --> 00:01:32,280 Speaker 1: in guaranteed money back in twenty twenty one. You may 23 00:01:32,319 --> 00:01:35,280 Speaker 1: recall that was an extension that stemmed at least in 24 00:01:35,319 --> 00:01:39,399 Speaker 1: part from the possibility that he might leave for LSU 25 00:01:39,920 --> 00:01:42,360 Speaker 1: for that money. In case you're wondering what did A 26 00:01:42,400 --> 00:01:45,319 Speaker 1: and M get, they got exactly zero SEC West titles 27 00:01:45,440 --> 00:01:49,320 Speaker 1: and zero playoff appearances knocked. 28 00:01:49,040 --> 00:01:52,320 Speaker 2: On the door twenty twenty right in an arguably more 29 00:01:52,360 --> 00:01:55,240 Speaker 2: difficult year because it was ten SEC matchups in twenty 30 00:01:55,280 --> 00:01:57,720 Speaker 2: twenty the COVID year. Yep, right there, finished fifth or 31 00:01:57,760 --> 00:02:01,360 Speaker 2: I think fifth, but yeah, no no playoff berths, no 32 00:02:01,560 --> 00:02:07,280 Speaker 2: SEC West championships, as you mentioned, and ultimately disappointing with 33 00:02:07,400 --> 00:02:11,840 Speaker 2: regard to expectations in college station given the investment, given 34 00:02:11,840 --> 00:02:14,840 Speaker 2: the move to the SEC, given the initial burst of 35 00:02:14,919 --> 00:02:19,240 Speaker 2: excitement of the Kevin Sumlin Johnny football era, followed by 36 00:02:19,560 --> 00:02:22,799 Speaker 2: Jimbo Fisher as a national championship coach brought in to 37 00:02:23,120 --> 00:02:24,680 Speaker 2: bring them to that next level. 38 00:02:25,120 --> 00:02:28,000 Speaker 1: A and M intends to honor the full value of 39 00:02:28,080 --> 00:02:30,800 Speaker 1: the contract, which was the number he's going to be 40 00:02:30,840 --> 00:02:36,120 Speaker 1: paid seventy six million dollars to not coach at A 41 00:02:36,200 --> 00:02:38,960 Speaker 1: and M any longer. To quote the great Cosmo Kramer, 42 00:02:39,000 --> 00:02:42,680 Speaker 1: that's a lot of potatoes Dan Rubinstein. It is a 43 00:02:42,720 --> 00:02:45,400 Speaker 1: record buyout figure. The highest that we know of was 44 00:02:45,400 --> 00:02:49,000 Speaker 1: Gus Melzon's back after he was relieved of command in 45 00:02:49,040 --> 00:02:51,480 Speaker 1: twenty twenty, when Auburn paid him about twenty one and 46 00:02:51,560 --> 00:02:54,399 Speaker 1: a half million dollars to go away. By the time 47 00:02:54,440 --> 00:02:55,880 Speaker 1: all is said and done, this is going to end 48 00:02:55,960 --> 00:02:57,720 Speaker 1: up being north of one hundred million dollars. When you 49 00:02:57,760 --> 00:03:00,639 Speaker 1: buy out assistance, when you got to handle nild, try 50 00:03:00,639 --> 00:03:03,519 Speaker 1: and keep your players on the team, all of that 51 00:03:03,560 --> 00:03:05,520 Speaker 1: sort of thing. It's going to be a very costly 52 00:03:05,560 --> 00:03:09,760 Speaker 1: transaction for Texas. A and M. Elijah Robinson is going 53 00:03:09,800 --> 00:03:12,359 Speaker 1: to serve as the interim coach the rest of the way. 54 00:03:12,440 --> 00:03:15,600 Speaker 1: So those are I guess the important bits of context 55 00:03:15,680 --> 00:03:17,720 Speaker 1: that you need to know. We're going to talk a 56 00:03:17,720 --> 00:03:21,520 Speaker 1: little bit more about why he was fired, how attractive 57 00:03:21,560 --> 00:03:24,799 Speaker 1: the A and M job is to whoever they would 58 00:03:24,840 --> 00:03:28,120 Speaker 1: go out and target next, who they might target next, 59 00:03:28,120 --> 00:03:31,480 Speaker 1: and then just I think, projecting forward, what reasonable expectations 60 00:03:31,560 --> 00:03:34,280 Speaker 1: might be for that person. Because we had some questions 61 00:03:34,280 --> 00:03:38,600 Speaker 1: come in via Twitter, like our fans realistic about A 62 00:03:38,680 --> 00:03:41,280 Speaker 1: and M being a contender and that sort of thing. 63 00:03:41,320 --> 00:03:44,680 Speaker 1: So why don't we start at the very top yes, Whytch, 64 00:03:44,720 --> 00:03:45,760 Speaker 1: Jim Book get fired Dan. 65 00:03:46,800 --> 00:03:50,680 Speaker 2: Because expectations were beyond what he was able to deliver. 66 00:03:51,120 --> 00:03:54,160 Speaker 2: And you can certainly have a conversation, we can certainly 67 00:03:54,200 --> 00:03:57,560 Speaker 2: have a conversation about whether those expectations are reasonable. But 68 00:03:58,160 --> 00:04:01,320 Speaker 2: he was brought in, as you know, Capitol and National 69 00:04:01,400 --> 00:04:07,080 Speaker 2: Championship head coach, and it it was a time where 70 00:04:07,120 --> 00:04:11,440 Speaker 2: they spent on assistance, they spent investing in the recruiting machine, 71 00:04:11,480 --> 00:04:13,560 Speaker 2: you know, especially given where that class was a couple 72 00:04:13,600 --> 00:04:18,520 Speaker 2: of years ago and the promise of Jimbo Fisher as 73 00:04:18,600 --> 00:04:22,040 Speaker 2: that top tier a list coach coming in and bringing 74 00:04:22,080 --> 00:04:24,160 Speaker 2: them over the top. And I don't know what the 75 00:04:24,200 --> 00:04:27,320 Speaker 2: final record was compared to where Kevin Sumlin was, but 76 00:04:27,360 --> 00:04:30,240 Speaker 2: that was like an ongoing ticker item, like, well, after 77 00:04:30,279 --> 00:04:32,920 Speaker 2: this many games, Kevin Sumlin was this and this and 78 00:04:33,000 --> 00:04:35,200 Speaker 2: after this many games, Jimbo is a little bit worse 79 00:04:35,279 --> 00:04:38,800 Speaker 2: than Kevin Sumlin. And so it's quite easy and I 80 00:04:38,839 --> 00:04:42,560 Speaker 2: think relevant to point to quarterback injuries or quarterbacks being 81 00:04:42,560 --> 00:04:44,840 Speaker 2: but good but not great, because what are you going 82 00:04:44,880 --> 00:04:47,880 Speaker 2: to measure Jimbo Fisher quarterback against. Well, you're gonna measure 83 00:04:47,920 --> 00:04:51,880 Speaker 2: him against Jameis Winston because Jameis Winston that Jimbo Fisher 84 00:04:51,920 --> 00:04:56,960 Speaker 2: offense from twenty thirteen is one of the probably three greatest, 85 00:04:57,000 --> 00:05:01,280 Speaker 2: if not greatest offense ever the modern era. Whatever you 86 00:05:01,320 --> 00:05:04,000 Speaker 2: want to however you want to categorize, Jimbo Fisher didn't deliver, 87 00:05:04,400 --> 00:05:07,559 Speaker 2: That's what it is. And at times he would deliver 88 00:05:07,600 --> 00:05:09,760 Speaker 2: a defense. The Mike Elco defense from I think twenty 89 00:05:09,800 --> 00:05:13,960 Speaker 2: twenty one finished fourth nationally in points per drive like incredible, 90 00:05:13,960 --> 00:05:17,400 Speaker 2: incredible defense. Offense was always a problem. Jimbo Fisher's an 91 00:05:17,400 --> 00:05:19,520 Speaker 2: offensive guy, couldn't figure it out, seemed to have hit 92 00:05:19,520 --> 00:05:24,120 Speaker 2: his ceiling, and there was no clear indication, despite offensive 93 00:05:24,160 --> 00:05:28,720 Speaker 2: coordinator changes, despite incredible recruiting classes, that Jimbo Fisher was 94 00:05:28,760 --> 00:05:32,000 Speaker 2: a coach be it in February, be it in December, 95 00:05:32,040 --> 00:05:34,560 Speaker 2: be it in August, be it in October, that was 96 00:05:34,600 --> 00:05:36,960 Speaker 2: going to get them to ten plus wins a season. 97 00:05:37,080 --> 00:05:41,240 Speaker 2: There was no clear indication that that was coming. Just 98 00:05:41,320 --> 00:05:44,560 Speaker 2: around the bend and A and M figured out that 99 00:05:44,600 --> 00:05:48,080 Speaker 2: they could find the money to make the situation go 100 00:05:48,200 --> 00:05:51,360 Speaker 2: away and start over, and that's why he's gone. 101 00:05:51,760 --> 00:05:55,000 Speaker 1: Yeah to your question, Kevin, someone had a fifty one 102 00:05:55,040 --> 00:06:00,480 Speaker 1: and twenty six mark Okay, in six seasons, so didn't 103 00:06:00,520 --> 00:06:04,000 Speaker 1: quite get to that number. I think you hit the 104 00:06:04,120 --> 00:06:07,200 Speaker 1: nail on the head. This is a guy who the 105 00:06:07,279 --> 00:06:09,440 Speaker 1: high water mark for his tenure at A and M 106 00:06:09,600 --> 00:06:11,960 Speaker 1: was finishing fourth in the polls in twenty twenty in 107 00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:14,840 Speaker 1: the COVID year. But if you look across the board, 108 00:06:14,920 --> 00:06:18,440 Speaker 1: A and M since then was seventeen and eight straight 109 00:06:18,480 --> 00:06:21,240 Speaker 1: up as a betting favorite. They were ninety ninth in 110 00:06:21,320 --> 00:06:26,120 Speaker 1: the FBS and thirteenth among the fourteen SEC schools in 111 00:06:26,160 --> 00:06:30,480 Speaker 1: that category. Only Florida had been worse as a favorite 112 00:06:30,880 --> 00:06:33,880 Speaker 1: among SEC schools since the start of the twenty one season. 113 00:06:34,640 --> 00:06:37,040 Speaker 1: And he was just not winning the games he was 114 00:06:37,080 --> 00:06:39,760 Speaker 1: supposed to. He certainly wasn't knocking off the giants that 115 00:06:39,839 --> 00:06:42,560 Speaker 1: he was hired to knock off. He also was seemingly 116 00:06:42,680 --> 00:06:46,360 Speaker 1: unwilling to be more flexible with his offense. You talk 117 00:06:46,400 --> 00:06:50,000 Speaker 1: about him being an offensive guru, even after hiring Bobby 118 00:06:50,000 --> 00:06:53,240 Speaker 1: Petrino was a big off season story. It was a 119 00:06:53,240 --> 00:06:55,599 Speaker 1: great indication, at least for US, something of a red 120 00:06:55,640 --> 00:06:59,000 Speaker 1: flag that whenever they would ask him, what is the 121 00:06:59,080 --> 00:07:01,279 Speaker 1: breakdown of response, it's ability is going to look like 122 00:07:01,600 --> 00:07:05,360 Speaker 1: Jimbo was always uncomfortable with that question, and so I 123 00:07:05,400 --> 00:07:09,479 Speaker 1: suspect that coaches who have been around as long as Jimbo, 124 00:07:10,960 --> 00:07:13,760 Speaker 1: given all the changing dynamics in college football, whether it's 125 00:07:13,800 --> 00:07:17,440 Speaker 1: with new schemes, whether it's with new infrastructure away from 126 00:07:17,760 --> 00:07:20,760 Speaker 1: the field, and how recruiting has changed, you're going to 127 00:07:20,800 --> 00:07:22,960 Speaker 1: see a lot of this with guys who just basically 128 00:07:23,040 --> 00:07:25,760 Speaker 1: are kind of like too old for this crap. And 129 00:07:25,800 --> 00:07:28,400 Speaker 1: I wonder if Jimbo falls a little bit into that category. 130 00:07:28,400 --> 00:07:30,520 Speaker 1: Obviously has accomplished a great deal in his coaching career, 131 00:07:30,560 --> 00:07:32,960 Speaker 1: but it's been a minute since they won the national 132 00:07:33,040 --> 00:07:37,200 Speaker 1: championship in twenty thirteen. The next, then question is, as 133 00:07:37,240 --> 00:07:41,160 Speaker 1: we look forward, how attractive is this job at AM 134 00:07:41,160 --> 00:07:43,680 Speaker 1: because there's a duality to it that I think is 135 00:07:43,760 --> 00:07:48,440 Speaker 1: quite interesting. It's both attractive and also incredibly complex in 136 00:07:48,480 --> 00:07:50,760 Speaker 1: many ways. A and M is kind of a perfect 137 00:07:50,800 --> 00:07:53,000 Speaker 1: metaphor for college football, at least the current state of 138 00:07:53,000 --> 00:07:57,040 Speaker 1: college football, right because you've got equal parts money and 139 00:07:57,200 --> 00:08:02,080 Speaker 1: chaos on the attractive side of the coin. Money is 140 00:08:02,120 --> 00:08:05,880 Speaker 1: no object here. Money's no object. If they're willing to 141 00:08:05,920 --> 00:08:08,960 Speaker 1: pay one hundred million dollars to make Jimbo go away, 142 00:08:09,320 --> 00:08:12,000 Speaker 1: they can obviously afford to break the bank and hire 143 00:08:12,040 --> 00:08:14,880 Speaker 1: somebody new going into this new playoff era, this expanded 144 00:08:14,880 --> 00:08:19,080 Speaker 1: playoff era that's expanded SEC era. It is attractive also 145 00:08:19,120 --> 00:08:21,600 Speaker 1: because of the NIL infrastructure, which is far and away 146 00:08:21,600 --> 00:08:24,840 Speaker 1: the best in the country. And you know, initially it 147 00:08:24,920 --> 00:08:28,960 Speaker 1: drew criticism from other schools that did not have something similar, 148 00:08:29,400 --> 00:08:31,600 Speaker 1: but A and M has very much been leading the charge, 149 00:08:31,600 --> 00:08:36,000 Speaker 1: pushing the envelope in the NIL category. And it's a 150 00:08:36,080 --> 00:08:38,040 Speaker 1: nice asset to have in your back pocket if you're 151 00:08:38,080 --> 00:08:40,280 Speaker 1: hiring somebody new, to know that you have that at 152 00:08:40,559 --> 00:08:44,160 Speaker 1: your disposal. It's also attractive because of the physical infrastructure. 153 00:08:44,200 --> 00:08:46,199 Speaker 1: We talk a lot about facilities. You can only make 154 00:08:46,240 --> 00:08:50,320 Speaker 1: facilities so good. They just opened the Coolidge Football Performance Center. 155 00:08:50,360 --> 00:08:53,720 Speaker 1: It's got one hundred and sixty yard indoor practice field 156 00:08:54,679 --> 00:08:57,360 Speaker 1: with air conditioning, which was a big deal. The heat 157 00:08:57,400 --> 00:09:00,319 Speaker 1: of Texas was, you know, not something I wanted to 158 00:09:00,320 --> 00:09:03,800 Speaker 1: contend with on the practice field. And they're continuing renovations. 159 00:09:03,800 --> 00:09:06,160 Speaker 1: They're trying to make this thing as good as it 160 00:09:06,200 --> 00:09:10,080 Speaker 1: can be. More broadly, they're clearly investing in football facilities. 161 00:09:10,280 --> 00:09:12,800 Speaker 1: And of course it's attractive because it's in Texas, it's 162 00:09:12,840 --> 00:09:16,400 Speaker 1: in the SEC. It's got all sorts of built in advantages. 163 00:09:17,240 --> 00:09:21,040 Speaker 1: I would add, though, that the complicating factors are also 164 00:09:21,120 --> 00:09:24,400 Speaker 1: the outside money, because anytime you've got the outside money 165 00:09:24,400 --> 00:09:26,200 Speaker 1: coming down, there's a lot of politic in it needs 166 00:09:26,200 --> 00:09:29,600 Speaker 1: to go on to keep everybody happy. Since two thousand 167 00:09:29,640 --> 00:09:33,040 Speaker 1: and two, A and M has had five presidents, eight 168 00:09:33,080 --> 00:09:35,000 Speaker 1: if you want to count the interims. They've also had 169 00:09:35,040 --> 00:09:37,920 Speaker 1: three different athletic directors since joining the SEC. Back in 170 00:09:37,960 --> 00:09:41,199 Speaker 1: twenty twelve. Sam Con wrote a great piece back in 171 00:09:41,320 --> 00:09:45,959 Speaker 1: June for The Athletic where he described the atmospherics around Kevin. 172 00:09:46,080 --> 00:09:50,760 Speaker 1: Someone's contract extension basically was handed down to the university 173 00:09:50,800 --> 00:09:55,960 Speaker 1: president and the edict was, you're just gonna do this, okay. 174 00:09:56,679 --> 00:09:58,400 Speaker 1: And so any type of setup like do we talk 175 00:09:58,400 --> 00:10:01,160 Speaker 1: about this a lot, any type of setup where you've 176 00:10:01,200 --> 00:10:04,360 Speaker 1: got a number of power brokers, it doesn't seem like 177 00:10:04,400 --> 00:10:07,480 Speaker 1: there is a clear hierarchy. Those are the situations that 178 00:10:07,520 --> 00:10:10,520 Speaker 1: often are set up for failure, totally separate from however 179 00:10:10,640 --> 00:10:12,760 Speaker 1: much money is going into it, however much they want 180 00:10:12,800 --> 00:10:15,360 Speaker 1: to win, and whatever that investment looks like. But when 181 00:10:15,360 --> 00:10:18,320 Speaker 1: there's not that clear reporting structure and a hierarchy, that 182 00:10:18,360 --> 00:10:22,320 Speaker 1: everybody can get behind. That makes it more complicated. It 183 00:10:22,400 --> 00:10:26,200 Speaker 1: absolutely more complicated. And I would also add, just like 184 00:10:26,520 --> 00:10:30,120 Speaker 1: kind of maybe this goes on said too often, but 185 00:10:30,160 --> 00:10:32,520 Speaker 1: they join the SEC, it's harder. In the SEC, they're 186 00:10:32,520 --> 00:10:34,920 Speaker 1: going to be a power four conference. Now, I would 187 00:10:35,000 --> 00:10:36,960 Speaker 1: argue that the ACC, the Big Twelve, and the Big 188 00:10:36,960 --> 00:10:42,160 Speaker 1: Ten all seemingly have easier pathways into the playoff. The SEC, 189 00:10:42,240 --> 00:10:44,319 Speaker 1: now with the addition of Texas and Oklahoma, it's not 190 00:10:44,360 --> 00:10:46,960 Speaker 1: getting easier, and it certainly didn't get easier for A 191 00:10:47,040 --> 00:10:48,800 Speaker 1: and M when they decided to join the conference back 192 00:10:48,840 --> 00:10:54,040 Speaker 1: in twenty twelve. So it's nuanced. It's nuanced here, and 193 00:10:54,120 --> 00:10:56,720 Speaker 1: I think moving forward, as we start talking about candidates, 194 00:10:56,760 --> 00:10:59,320 Speaker 1: which is probably where we'll go next with this, right, 195 00:11:00,160 --> 00:11:01,880 Speaker 1: we're going to measure these guys based on whether or 196 00:11:01,920 --> 00:11:04,160 Speaker 1: not they get to the playoffs. And I think they're 197 00:11:04,200 --> 00:11:06,680 Speaker 1: all smart enough to recognize that if you're Dan Lanning, 198 00:11:06,720 --> 00:11:09,680 Speaker 1: who is a name that we can talk more about, 199 00:11:10,400 --> 00:11:11,839 Speaker 1: do you want to come to A and M. You've 200 00:11:11,880 --> 00:11:14,920 Speaker 1: got more money. We get set up with generational wealth, 201 00:11:15,040 --> 00:11:17,480 Speaker 1: But if you're really going to be measured as a 202 00:11:17,520 --> 00:11:19,160 Speaker 1: coach by how often you get to the playoff. Is 203 00:11:19,160 --> 00:11:20,720 Speaker 1: that really an easier pathway? I don't know. 204 00:11:20,920 --> 00:11:23,240 Speaker 2: Yes. The Texas A and M job is, of course 205 00:11:23,480 --> 00:11:26,280 Speaker 2: one of the more fascinating jobs in America because the question, 206 00:11:26,360 --> 00:11:28,560 Speaker 2: the sub question here is what are you selling? What 207 00:11:28,600 --> 00:11:30,320 Speaker 2: are you selling at Texas A and M. You're selling 208 00:11:30,360 --> 00:11:34,439 Speaker 2: a school that has expectations beyond its modern results or 209 00:11:34,480 --> 00:11:37,719 Speaker 2: its results ever. Really, and so you're saying, Okay, we're 210 00:11:37,720 --> 00:11:40,440 Speaker 2: in the SEC West. Are you able to sell something 211 00:11:40,520 --> 00:11:45,240 Speaker 2: above or different or differentiated from LSU or Alabama? 212 00:11:45,600 --> 00:11:45,720 Speaker 1: Not? 213 00:11:45,880 --> 00:11:48,280 Speaker 2: Really, right, You're not. No coach is going to be 214 00:11:48,360 --> 00:11:51,840 Speaker 2: able to sell himself like Nick Saban. No school is 215 00:11:51,880 --> 00:11:55,240 Speaker 2: going to be able to sell itself as the standard 216 00:11:55,280 --> 00:11:58,960 Speaker 2: bearer in state like LSU. Right that LSU has this 217 00:11:59,280 --> 00:12:02,480 Speaker 2: incredible wealth of talent in state, and LSU is the 218 00:12:02,520 --> 00:12:06,800 Speaker 2: only show between those borders, and Texas A and M 219 00:12:07,280 --> 00:12:09,960 Speaker 2: is not as big as the University of Texas in 220 00:12:10,040 --> 00:12:15,160 Speaker 2: terms of national branding. Right, everybody knows Austin, everybody knows 221 00:12:15,200 --> 00:12:17,000 Speaker 2: the burn Orange, and Texas A and M has had 222 00:12:17,040 --> 00:12:19,880 Speaker 2: a good amount of success and has a rivalry, and 223 00:12:19,920 --> 00:12:22,040 Speaker 2: they were pretty good in the Big Twelve. They've been 224 00:12:22,040 --> 00:12:25,000 Speaker 2: pretty good in the SEC. But they are not the 225 00:12:25,080 --> 00:12:28,679 Speaker 2: biggest program in state, and they are in a state 226 00:12:29,040 --> 00:12:34,680 Speaker 2: that everybody between California and Maine is trying to recruit into, right, 227 00:12:35,120 --> 00:12:37,040 Speaker 2: and they are not able to you know, there's so 228 00:12:37,040 --> 00:12:39,199 Speaker 2: many prospects that it's impossible to keep the best of 229 00:12:39,240 --> 00:12:41,679 Speaker 2: the best. And they're competing against LSU and Alabama as 230 00:12:41,720 --> 00:12:45,800 Speaker 2: well for in state kids because you know, Texas and 231 00:12:45,840 --> 00:12:48,120 Speaker 2: Texas and Texas, A and M can only take so 232 00:12:48,280 --> 00:12:52,720 Speaker 2: many and so you're not selling championship culture, whereas you 233 00:12:52,760 --> 00:12:55,079 Speaker 2: can sell that at places across the country, like look 234 00:12:55,080 --> 00:12:59,040 Speaker 2: at the the next you know, Soen's Heisman quarterback or whatever. 235 00:12:59,679 --> 00:13:02,319 Speaker 2: Texas does have a recent Heisman quarterback. I understand, but 236 00:13:02,360 --> 00:13:04,080 Speaker 2: you understand what I'm saying, or the you know, a 237 00:13:04,120 --> 00:13:07,080 Speaker 2: playoff trophy or a conference trophy text. A and M 238 00:13:07,120 --> 00:13:09,559 Speaker 2: is not selling that right that they have this culture 239 00:13:09,840 --> 00:13:14,120 Speaker 2: and this standard, this championship standard, and so year over year, 240 00:13:14,160 --> 00:13:17,280 Speaker 2: coach over coach, it's always going to be we're finally 241 00:13:17,320 --> 00:13:18,760 Speaker 2: going to get there. This is how we're going to 242 00:13:18,800 --> 00:13:21,720 Speaker 2: do it. And they're competing against Nick Saban showing off 243 00:13:21,760 --> 00:13:25,880 Speaker 2: a fistful of rings. They're competing against LSU and Florida 244 00:13:25,880 --> 00:13:29,600 Speaker 2: who've actually won, And so then it's a matter of, Okay, 245 00:13:30,080 --> 00:13:32,400 Speaker 2: who is that coach who can come in and say, 246 00:13:32,400 --> 00:13:34,880 Speaker 2: this is how we're doing things differently. This is not 247 00:13:34,920 --> 00:13:37,360 Speaker 2: how I'm doing things how I did them somewhere else. 248 00:13:37,600 --> 00:13:40,959 Speaker 2: This is how we're starting at square one and starting 249 00:13:40,960 --> 00:13:44,200 Speaker 2: over culturally, starting over in terms of what this program is. 250 00:13:44,640 --> 00:13:47,360 Speaker 2: And so then just like who can do that? Who 251 00:13:47,440 --> 00:13:49,960 Speaker 2: is that coach who can go in and immediately take 252 00:13:50,040 --> 00:13:53,640 Speaker 2: that kind of pressure recruit against those types of names, 253 00:13:53,640 --> 00:13:55,800 Speaker 2: And who knows how long you know, Brian Kelly's going 254 00:13:55,840 --> 00:13:57,760 Speaker 2: to be at LSU, Who knows how long Nick Saban's 255 00:13:57,760 --> 00:13:59,720 Speaker 2: going to be at Alabama? Who knows how long Herby 256 00:13:59,720 --> 00:14:02,679 Speaker 2: Smart it's going to be against Georgia. But if what 257 00:14:02,720 --> 00:14:05,600 Speaker 2: that class look like two years ago is indicative of 258 00:14:05,600 --> 00:14:09,200 Speaker 2: what Texas A and M vaguely expects, the Texas A 259 00:14:09,240 --> 00:14:12,319 Speaker 2: and M fan base, the Texas A and M administrators boosters, whoever, 260 00:14:12,520 --> 00:14:15,480 Speaker 2: if they vaguely expect to have annual top ten classes, 261 00:14:15,920 --> 00:14:18,480 Speaker 2: who is that name that can deliver that and deliver 262 00:14:18,640 --> 00:14:23,280 Speaker 2: that operation, that machine to deliver that consistently. I don't 263 00:14:23,280 --> 00:14:25,000 Speaker 2: know if it's a money thing. I don't know if 264 00:14:25,040 --> 00:14:29,000 Speaker 2: it's as attractive of a job as people internally thinks 265 00:14:29,280 --> 00:14:33,280 Speaker 2: think it will be. But the pool of those dudes, 266 00:14:33,520 --> 00:14:35,040 Speaker 2: if you think it's Dan Lanning, if you think it's 267 00:14:35,080 --> 00:14:38,280 Speaker 2: Kaylin Deborr, if you think it's Lane Kiffen, whoever, there's 268 00:14:38,320 --> 00:14:39,800 Speaker 2: not a lot of guys who can go to a 269 00:14:39,840 --> 00:14:43,480 Speaker 2: place that has no history of winning on a conference 270 00:14:43,560 --> 00:14:48,119 Speaker 2: level and say we expect you to bring these conference championships, 271 00:14:48,160 --> 00:14:51,000 Speaker 2: We expect you to bring these annual twelve team playoff 272 00:14:51,000 --> 00:14:55,200 Speaker 2: berths because that's just what we want, right even though 273 00:14:55,200 --> 00:14:57,000 Speaker 2: we have no history of it. And so that's the 274 00:14:57,000 --> 00:14:59,240 Speaker 2: complicating factor. Is Texas A and M is sort of 275 00:14:59,280 --> 00:15:02,120 Speaker 2: stacked up again on the flip side, ty, And this 276 00:15:02,160 --> 00:15:03,640 Speaker 2: is just me as a college football fan, and my 277 00:15:03,760 --> 00:15:07,440 Speaker 2: opinion has evolved over the years. I don't love telling 278 00:15:07,480 --> 00:15:09,800 Speaker 2: people not to have big expectations. 279 00:15:10,000 --> 00:15:10,920 Speaker 1: No, not at all. 280 00:15:10,960 --> 00:15:13,080 Speaker 2: I don't like if you're a Texas A and M fan, 281 00:15:13,200 --> 00:15:15,680 Speaker 2: you should have high expectations, like you mentioned at the top, 282 00:15:15,760 --> 00:15:18,400 Speaker 2: like you invest in it, you recruit, like you want 283 00:15:18,400 --> 00:15:20,600 Speaker 2: to do it. Like I'm not going to sit here 284 00:15:20,600 --> 00:15:22,600 Speaker 2: and say accept the fact that you're an eight and 285 00:15:22,640 --> 00:15:24,600 Speaker 2: a half win program forever and that's just the way 286 00:15:24,640 --> 00:15:25,960 Speaker 2: it's going to be, and you should be happy with 287 00:15:26,000 --> 00:15:27,920 Speaker 2: those eight or nine wins every year. It's really tough 288 00:15:27,920 --> 00:15:30,400 Speaker 2: in the SEC. We're entering into an era where you 289 00:15:30,400 --> 00:15:33,000 Speaker 2: can get into a twelve team playoff without winning eleven games, 290 00:15:33,040 --> 00:15:36,440 Speaker 2: without going undefeated, and we're entering into an era where 291 00:15:36,680 --> 00:15:38,960 Speaker 2: I don't know, maybe some of these big name coaches 292 00:15:39,000 --> 00:15:41,360 Speaker 2: are going to age out of the SEC and retire 293 00:15:41,560 --> 00:15:43,760 Speaker 2: and there's going to be a power vacuum within the conference. 294 00:15:43,760 --> 00:15:46,080 Speaker 2: And why not Texas A and M? Right, why the 295 00:15:46,200 --> 00:15:49,480 Speaker 2: Kansas City Royals have won a World Series? Totally different sport, 296 00:15:49,560 --> 00:15:54,120 Speaker 2: totally different situation, but it's sports. Crazy things happen. I 297 00:15:54,320 --> 00:15:57,560 Speaker 2: just in looking at some of these candidates and looking 298 00:15:57,560 --> 00:16:01,600 Speaker 2: at some of these realities today, I'm positive Texts A 299 00:16:01,640 --> 00:16:04,520 Speaker 2: and M has an idea of a direction or two 300 00:16:04,560 --> 00:16:06,920 Speaker 2: directions they want to go to. Because you don't spend 301 00:16:07,000 --> 00:16:10,800 Speaker 2: what was the number, seventy six million dollars, You don't 302 00:16:11,400 --> 00:16:14,120 Speaker 2: pass the hat around for seventy six million dollars, which, 303 00:16:14,120 --> 00:16:16,440 Speaker 2: by the way I saw is more than Jameis Winston 304 00:16:16,520 --> 00:16:19,840 Speaker 2: made as an active NFL quarterback. Jimbo Fish is going 305 00:16:19,840 --> 00:16:23,280 Speaker 2: to be paid more than that to not coach wild 306 00:16:23,880 --> 00:16:27,680 Speaker 2: play baseball. Everybody that's the lesson Damis Winston. He was 307 00:16:27,680 --> 00:16:32,400 Speaker 2: like a baseball prospect too. The point is it's appealing 308 00:16:32,440 --> 00:16:34,440 Speaker 2: because of the money. It's appealing because of the location. 309 00:16:34,480 --> 00:16:36,720 Speaker 2: It's appealing because of the stage. It's appealing because of 310 00:16:36,760 --> 00:16:40,760 Speaker 2: an expanded postseason. But at the same time, usually there's 311 00:16:40,800 --> 00:16:44,280 Speaker 2: a reason a place that has money, a great stadium 312 00:16:44,280 --> 00:16:47,120 Speaker 2: in Kyle Field, right, Like, there are so many different 313 00:16:47,160 --> 00:16:50,280 Speaker 2: boxes checked with Texas A and M beyond the fact 314 00:16:50,280 --> 00:16:54,040 Speaker 2: that nobody has ever consistently won big there. So that's 315 00:16:54,080 --> 00:16:57,040 Speaker 2: the thing. It's a lot of the names on this 316 00:16:57,160 --> 00:17:01,160 Speaker 2: list are at places that have won, that have consistently 317 00:17:01,240 --> 00:17:04,800 Speaker 2: given guys what they want in terms of facilities and 318 00:17:04,880 --> 00:17:09,320 Speaker 2: money and assistant pools, and they're at places that make 319 00:17:09,400 --> 00:17:13,199 Speaker 2: sense for them, which is why they're winning. And I 320 00:17:13,920 --> 00:17:17,160 Speaker 2: know that the Jimbo thing always was going to feel 321 00:17:17,200 --> 00:17:18,960 Speaker 2: a little bit off because he was coming off of 322 00:17:18,960 --> 00:17:21,800 Speaker 2: a really down period at Florida State, Like the program 323 00:17:21,880 --> 00:17:23,480 Speaker 2: was not in a good place when he left, which 324 00:17:23,520 --> 00:17:26,440 Speaker 2: sounded alarm bells for Florida State. People who basically buy 325 00:17:26,440 --> 00:17:29,960 Speaker 2: and large said are you sure okay? Good luck with 326 00:17:30,000 --> 00:17:32,440 Speaker 2: all that. When Jimbo was hired to Texas, A and 327 00:17:32,560 --> 00:17:38,000 Speaker 2: M and so, I just don't think there's an obvious 328 00:17:38,119 --> 00:17:40,800 Speaker 2: name here. I don't like. I don't know what you think. 329 00:17:40,840 --> 00:17:41,920 Speaker 2: What do you I mean, we're going to get into 330 00:17:41,920 --> 00:17:43,880 Speaker 2: candidates now, But what is your outlook here? 331 00:17:43,960 --> 00:17:46,200 Speaker 1: Well? No, and I look, I agree with you completely. 332 00:17:46,440 --> 00:17:49,159 Speaker 1: There's no reason that you can't have big expectations just 333 00:17:49,160 --> 00:17:52,520 Speaker 1: because you haven't achieved them previously, right, I mean that's 334 00:17:52,640 --> 00:17:54,840 Speaker 1: always been my big thing. If we're going to play 335 00:17:54,920 --> 00:17:58,600 Speaker 1: in a setup where the playoff is going to be 336 00:17:58,640 --> 00:18:00,600 Speaker 1: the ultimate goal, now, I think any of these guys 337 00:18:00,640 --> 00:18:04,040 Speaker 1: who get hired you should have high expectations. There's no 338 00:18:04,119 --> 00:18:06,720 Speaker 1: reason that you shouldn't have high expectations. And just because 339 00:18:06,760 --> 00:18:08,560 Speaker 1: the history isn't there. I mean we got some questions 340 00:18:08,600 --> 00:18:11,119 Speaker 1: on Twitter about that, like why why is A and 341 00:18:11,240 --> 00:18:13,840 Speaker 1: M throwing around money like this? It hasn't done anything 342 00:18:13,920 --> 00:18:16,080 Speaker 1: like this before that I can point to and attract 343 00:18:16,119 --> 00:18:17,960 Speaker 1: coaches to want to come in and do it again. 344 00:18:19,040 --> 00:18:21,840 Speaker 1: I say, go for it, go for it. It's certainly 345 00:18:21,880 --> 00:18:24,720 Speaker 1: comical that they went for it in this capacity with Jimbo, 346 00:18:24,800 --> 00:18:26,919 Speaker 1: and they came a little bit short, a lot a 347 00:18:26,960 --> 00:18:29,560 Speaker 1: bit short, but that doesn't mean they shouldn't try it again. 348 00:18:30,160 --> 00:18:33,040 Speaker 1: I do think that if you throw all the money 349 00:18:33,080 --> 00:18:35,080 Speaker 1: in the world at the problem and it doesn't fix itself. 350 00:18:35,119 --> 00:18:37,879 Speaker 1: If you've got a guy in jimbo Fisher who swaps 351 00:18:37,880 --> 00:18:40,959 Speaker 1: out offensive coordinators, swaps out Skiing, swaps out whatever, the 352 00:18:41,000 --> 00:18:44,240 Speaker 1: talent remains high on some level, the coaching or maybe 353 00:18:44,280 --> 00:18:47,719 Speaker 1: the infrastructure behind the coach is really the problem. And 354 00:18:47,760 --> 00:18:50,600 Speaker 1: so depending on who we get to be the next 355 00:18:50,680 --> 00:18:52,800 Speaker 1: guy at A and M, I guess we'll put that 356 00:18:52,840 --> 00:18:55,879 Speaker 1: to the test. To that point, I have seen a 357 00:18:56,000 --> 00:18:59,399 Speaker 1: number of names floated around, and these are from Pete Thamil, 358 00:18:59,440 --> 00:19:03,359 Speaker 1: from Chris Nine, from Bruce Felban. I can read the 359 00:19:03,400 --> 00:19:07,320 Speaker 1: list off here some early potentials that have been floating 360 00:19:07,320 --> 00:19:09,639 Speaker 1: around the interwebs, and bear in my money is no 361 00:19:09,720 --> 00:19:12,440 Speaker 1: object here, so it really does open up the playbook. 362 00:19:13,160 --> 00:19:17,040 Speaker 1: Lane Kiffin, Mike Elko, Mike Norvel, Dan Landing, Jeff Trailer, 363 00:19:17,160 --> 00:19:22,720 Speaker 1: Chris Cleman, Cliff Kingsberry, Kaylin de Boorr, Jonathan Smith. I've 364 00:19:22,760 --> 00:19:28,679 Speaker 1: also seen Eli Drinkwitz, Lancelipold, PJ. Fleck, urban Meyer, of 365 00:19:28,720 --> 00:19:31,360 Speaker 1: course urban Meyer, and let me just add James Franklin 366 00:19:31,520 --> 00:19:34,400 Speaker 1: to get his name. Just running through these algorithms here, 367 00:19:35,440 --> 00:19:38,359 Speaker 1: bearing in mind what we talked about earlier, the state 368 00:19:38,400 --> 00:19:41,000 Speaker 1: of this job, and I think the need to be 369 00:19:41,280 --> 00:19:45,400 Speaker 1: a dogged recruiter to keep the class intact, the need 370 00:19:45,480 --> 00:19:48,639 Speaker 1: to build something new, essentially because A and M wants 371 00:19:48,680 --> 00:19:50,560 Speaker 1: to get to a place that it has not been. 372 00:19:51,160 --> 00:19:54,520 Speaker 1: Also the need to be something of a politician in 373 00:19:54,600 --> 00:19:57,320 Speaker 1: order to feed all the mouths that are seemingly going 374 00:19:57,400 --> 00:19:59,400 Speaker 1: to help pay for this contract, and need to feel 375 00:19:59,440 --> 00:20:02,560 Speaker 1: important to make sure that you're still on their good side. 376 00:20:03,280 --> 00:20:06,960 Speaker 1: Of those names, which of those guys do you think 377 00:20:07,640 --> 00:20:12,520 Speaker 1: are such that they can check all those boxes? Oh? 378 00:20:12,600 --> 00:20:17,639 Speaker 2: Man, it's hard, right, So okay, I'll bring up the list. 379 00:20:18,359 --> 00:20:20,159 Speaker 2: Kalindi Boor is a very good coach, but there's no 380 00:20:20,240 --> 00:20:23,160 Speaker 2: evidence that he can recruit on the level that's expected 381 00:20:23,200 --> 00:20:25,119 Speaker 2: at techs A and M and at an SEC power. 382 00:20:25,200 --> 00:20:27,280 Speaker 1: Right. If you want to talk about guys likedbor, I 383 00:20:27,280 --> 00:20:31,520 Speaker 1: would also put guys like Mike Elko, Chris Kleman, Lancelipold, 384 00:20:31,640 --> 00:20:34,440 Speaker 1: Jeff Trailer in that same camp. And I like all 385 00:20:34,440 --> 00:20:36,840 Speaker 1: those guys. I think all those guys would excel pretty 386 00:20:36,920 --> 00:20:40,879 Speaker 1: much anywhere because they're very good coaches, but all of 387 00:20:40,880 --> 00:20:44,560 Speaker 1: these guys are very understated. They don't have the recruiting 388 00:20:44,600 --> 00:20:49,000 Speaker 1: track record, and I also don't know how their personality 389 00:20:49,040 --> 00:20:52,080 Speaker 1: types play at a setup like A and M where you. 390 00:20:51,920 --> 00:20:54,480 Speaker 2: Mike Galco was there, right, he was there for four years. 391 00:20:54,560 --> 00:20:57,560 Speaker 1: He was there, But some of the other names on 392 00:20:57,560 --> 00:21:01,680 Speaker 1: this list, Aileen Kiffin is a much bigger personality who 393 00:21:01,720 --> 00:21:04,639 Speaker 1: maybe garners a little bit more respect from some of 394 00:21:04,680 --> 00:21:07,040 Speaker 1: the MONEYMN. Definitely a flashier candidate. 395 00:21:07,359 --> 00:21:09,680 Speaker 2: Yep, SEC head coaching experience, YEP. 396 00:21:09,760 --> 00:21:12,399 Speaker 1: I just wonder how an understated guy fits in at 397 00:21:12,440 --> 00:21:13,600 Speaker 1: a place like Texas A and M. 398 00:21:13,640 --> 00:21:17,000 Speaker 2: That's all I'm saying, Okay, Kaylen Debor has won a 399 00:21:17,119 --> 00:21:20,160 Speaker 2: ton of games, albeit largely on lower levels, and has 400 00:21:20,720 --> 00:21:24,280 Speaker 2: Washington playing on an incredible level with a roster that 401 00:21:24,320 --> 00:21:27,479 Speaker 2: he didn't recruit. That's the reality. So that's that's the 402 00:21:27,520 --> 00:21:30,800 Speaker 2: looming question in Washington's current recruiting class is nothing special. 403 00:21:31,040 --> 00:21:34,120 Speaker 2: Building on last year. Dan Lanning is an incredible recruiter, 404 00:21:34,440 --> 00:21:38,200 Speaker 2: has seemingly taken Oregon up a step from where Mario 405 00:21:38,280 --> 00:21:40,800 Speaker 2: Christobul was last year. They don't go to a big 406 00:21:40,840 --> 00:21:43,960 Speaker 2: Bowl game this year. They seem prime to and the 407 00:21:44,119 --> 00:21:47,520 Speaker 2: talent acquisition has been both through the portal and on 408 00:21:47,560 --> 00:21:50,520 Speaker 2: the recruiting trail incredible. And that's the Eugene, Oregon where 409 00:21:50,520 --> 00:21:53,320 Speaker 2: it's more difficult. Now. There are certain appeal points of 410 00:21:53,320 --> 00:21:56,680 Speaker 2: Eugene and University of Oregon and Nike that tex A 411 00:21:56,720 --> 00:21:59,359 Speaker 2: and M won't be able to match. But certainly geography 412 00:21:59,480 --> 00:22:01,840 Speaker 2: is in Texas say and M's advantage. I don't think 413 00:22:01,840 --> 00:22:04,840 Speaker 2: he's going I mean, especially with the Big ten move. 414 00:22:04,880 --> 00:22:07,840 Speaker 2: I don't I if there is any school, I don't 415 00:22:07,840 --> 00:22:10,280 Speaker 2: even know what school that is. But I think he 416 00:22:10,320 --> 00:22:14,600 Speaker 2: can wait wait out Bama, Georgia. You know something that's enormous. 417 00:22:14,640 --> 00:22:15,879 Speaker 2: He's going to get a ton of love and I 418 00:22:15,920 --> 00:22:18,560 Speaker 2: get it. The coach in the SEC before moving up 419 00:22:18,600 --> 00:22:21,520 Speaker 2: to Oregon, he's got familiarity with the region. Yeah, a 420 00:22:21,680 --> 00:22:25,240 Speaker 2: beast of a recruiter could absolutely find his way into 421 00:22:25,240 --> 00:22:27,920 Speaker 2: the playoff this season, depending on how things shake out. 422 00:22:28,040 --> 00:22:29,399 Speaker 2: I think the jury is still out on how good 423 00:22:29,440 --> 00:22:30,520 Speaker 2: of a game day coach he is. 424 00:22:30,880 --> 00:22:34,040 Speaker 1: Sure. But the path this gets back to what I 425 00:22:34,080 --> 00:22:36,800 Speaker 1: said before. The path for Dan Landing to get into 426 00:22:36,800 --> 00:22:39,080 Speaker 1: the playoffs starting next year is much easier. I think 427 00:22:39,080 --> 00:22:41,399 Speaker 1: through the Big Ten than the SEC. They might have 428 00:22:41,440 --> 00:22:43,080 Speaker 1: the second or third best team next year in the 429 00:22:43,119 --> 00:22:43,520 Speaker 1: Big Ten. 430 00:22:43,680 --> 00:22:44,199 Speaker 2: I agree. 431 00:22:44,600 --> 00:22:47,919 Speaker 1: And so if you're Dan Lanning, you know, maybe the 432 00:22:47,920 --> 00:22:49,399 Speaker 1: money is better if you go to A and M. 433 00:22:49,480 --> 00:22:52,280 Speaker 1: But is it really worth uprooting everything that you're building 434 00:22:52,280 --> 00:22:55,600 Speaker 1: at Oregon knowing that the new measuring stick starts in 435 00:22:55,640 --> 00:22:57,920 Speaker 1: twenty four with a twelve team playoff berth. 436 00:22:57,760 --> 00:22:59,600 Speaker 2: And one of the things that we should mention, it's 437 00:22:59,640 --> 00:23:02,399 Speaker 2: even the it's you know, Jonathan Smith, Klen debor Mike Elko, 438 00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:05,520 Speaker 2: any of these guys. There can be recruiting machines built 439 00:23:05,560 --> 00:23:07,760 Speaker 2: around them, right. They can have the vision, but they're 440 00:23:07,800 --> 00:23:10,399 Speaker 2: not the dogged guys in the way that other guys 441 00:23:10,440 --> 00:23:14,320 Speaker 2: within the recruiting department and assistant coaches are Lance Leipold, 442 00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:17,800 Speaker 2: Chris Climb and these are all very strong coaches who 443 00:23:18,359 --> 00:23:23,359 Speaker 2: tend to succeed wherever they are. I think, honestly, with 444 00:23:23,359 --> 00:23:25,000 Speaker 2: how much money they're spending on Jimbo Fish and I 445 00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:26,800 Speaker 2: know money is no object. I think Dan Lanning's bile 446 00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:28,720 Speaker 2: is like twenty million dollars. I just think you find 447 00:23:28,720 --> 00:23:33,040 Speaker 2: the best possible proven football coach, and you know it's 448 00:23:33,040 --> 00:23:35,280 Speaker 2: a step up from You know, Oregon State's future is 449 00:23:35,920 --> 00:23:40,119 Speaker 2: not in the power five realm. Kansas State's future is 450 00:23:40,160 --> 00:23:43,280 Speaker 2: not on the SECS level. So you know, maybe it's 451 00:23:43,320 --> 00:23:45,920 Speaker 2: just a better fit Chris climb In at Kansas State 452 00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:47,959 Speaker 2: than it is at Texas A and m Duke has 453 00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:50,240 Speaker 2: its own limitations. But you know what, maybe Mike Elko 454 00:23:50,800 --> 00:23:53,760 Speaker 2: is waiting for the best possible fit. And you know, 455 00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:57,040 Speaker 2: he knows College Station for better or worse, and maybe 456 00:23:57,040 --> 00:23:59,960 Speaker 2: he loved it, maybe he misses it, but he left 457 00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:03,280 Speaker 2: for Duke, and maybe that says something. I know. I 458 00:24:03,320 --> 00:24:05,120 Speaker 2: think he's a terrific head coach and I think he'll 459 00:24:05,280 --> 00:24:07,919 Speaker 2: he would succeed anywhere he goes. Seems like he has 460 00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:11,199 Speaker 2: the personality, seems like he gets teams to overperform. But 461 00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:13,760 Speaker 2: in that kind of fish bowl, on that kind of stage, 462 00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:16,760 Speaker 2: it's just different. Duke does not expect much. Duke would 463 00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:19,200 Speaker 2: love annual bowl games, and he's an annual bowl game 464 00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:23,119 Speaker 2: coach at the very least. I saw Mike Norvell on 465 00:24:23,160 --> 00:24:23,600 Speaker 2: that list. 466 00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:28,120 Speaker 1: I like Mike Norvell. I like Norvelle. He's from Texas, 467 00:24:28,160 --> 00:24:28,920 Speaker 1: he's forty two. 468 00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:34,040 Speaker 2: Keep that operation moving from Florida State to the College Station. 469 00:24:34,520 --> 00:24:37,480 Speaker 1: Keep the train rolling. Yeah, it did take a bit 470 00:24:37,520 --> 00:24:40,320 Speaker 1: to get things going at Florida State, but he has 471 00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:46,400 Speaker 1: rebuilt the knowles into look a legit playoff contender, maybe 472 00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:48,480 Speaker 1: a title contender this year in a very short period 473 00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:51,240 Speaker 1: of time. He's going to be losing a lot next season. 474 00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:53,960 Speaker 1: And he's done it on both sides of the coin here. 475 00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:57,520 Speaker 1: He's built the program up via high school and portal recruiting. 476 00:24:58,080 --> 00:25:00,560 Speaker 1: He's added talent where it's made sense to do so 477 00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:03,080 Speaker 1: he has made that talent better, and I think he 478 00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:05,920 Speaker 1: has made that culture better. There's a cultural aspect of 479 00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:08,480 Speaker 1: this too, because when he started it, you remember in 480 00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:10,080 Speaker 1: twenty twenty, it was a rocky go there in the 481 00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:12,960 Speaker 1: very beginning, and he was able to kind of circle 482 00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:16,600 Speaker 1: the wagons and build that thing moving forward a lot 483 00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:18,640 Speaker 1: on the back of Jordan Travis, who's been a huge 484 00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:23,000 Speaker 1: leader for that program. So, I like Norvelle, I don't 485 00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:24,960 Speaker 1: know if there's any great impetus to leave a good 486 00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:27,680 Speaker 1: situation at Florida State. Again, if we're talking about playoff 487 00:25:27,720 --> 00:25:30,760 Speaker 1: berths and the pathway in the path through the acc 488 00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:33,760 Speaker 1: is like, if you're Florida State, who are you really 489 00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:36,560 Speaker 1: contending with to get there? I mean Clemson could be 490 00:25:36,560 --> 00:25:39,359 Speaker 1: on the downturn at this point. Yeah, so if you're 491 00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:41,760 Speaker 1: Mike Norville, that's a great situation. But I think it 492 00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:44,640 Speaker 1: warrants mentioning that he's from the area. You know, he's 493 00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:46,719 Speaker 1: still a young coach and this could be a very 494 00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:49,680 Speaker 1: interesting situation if they open up the pocketbook for him. 495 00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:53,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm curious about See, I think Florida State is 496 00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:55,080 Speaker 2: such a huge place. We'll see what happens with the 497 00:25:55,080 --> 00:25:57,399 Speaker 2: future of the ACC and grant of rights and everything 498 00:25:57,440 --> 00:25:59,080 Speaker 2: like that. Like if I were textas a and m 499 00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:01,520 Speaker 2: I just go after the best possible coach because if 500 00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:03,720 Speaker 2: you look at where the Aggies have been this past 501 00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:06,800 Speaker 2: couple of years, it hasn't been a talent acquisition thing. 502 00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:10,919 Speaker 2: It hasn't been a fan support home field advantage, Like 503 00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:14,920 Speaker 2: they haven't been blown out by really good teams. In fact, 504 00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:19,880 Speaker 2: they just beat LSU last year, right comfortably. They lose 505 00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:23,159 Speaker 2: winnable games. They've lost winnable games under Jimbo Fisher, right 506 00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:24,720 Speaker 2: where like Devin h chan is two hundred and eighteen 507 00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:26,920 Speaker 2: yards and they just stopped feeding him in the fourth quarter, right, 508 00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:30,720 Speaker 2: whether it's against Ole Miss or you know, this year, 509 00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:33,840 Speaker 2: it was Ole Miss and it was Alabama, Like what 510 00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:36,080 Speaker 2: do we talk about? Like they didn't for thirty five days, 511 00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:38,320 Speaker 2: thirty eight straight days, they didn't score an offensive touchdown 512 00:26:38,359 --> 00:26:41,480 Speaker 2: in the second half, Like they're not far away. But 513 00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:44,720 Speaker 2: the lasting legacy of Jimbo Fisher in college station is 514 00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:47,720 Speaker 2: losing winnable games, snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. 515 00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:52,240 Speaker 2: And so if that's the big thing, it's just finding 516 00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:56,520 Speaker 2: the best possible on field football coach, Like as the 517 00:26:57,080 --> 00:27:00,200 Speaker 2: engineer of the Underthink Express, like you throw a bunch 518 00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:02,600 Speaker 2: of money at Lance Leipold and Chris Cleman or Klen 519 00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:05,680 Speaker 2: Debora Jonathan Smith, Like the problem with the I think 520 00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:08,040 Speaker 2: what got them into this specific problem and the ad 521 00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:11,840 Speaker 2: is obviously no longer there is they went big fish hunting, 522 00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:14,280 Speaker 2: and they went for the biggest fish instead of the 523 00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:18,960 Speaker 2: tastiest fish. And that's how they got Jimbo Fisher because 524 00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:21,720 Speaker 2: it just felt like, oh, look what we landed. Look 525 00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:23,920 Speaker 2: at the size of this bad boy on the hook. 526 00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:29,120 Speaker 2: And he lost winnable games consistently all the time, all 527 00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:32,119 Speaker 2: the time, ty he is, And so you have to 528 00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:35,479 Speaker 2: look carefully and do your due diligence, dig into the 529 00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:39,000 Speaker 2: tape dig into the data, who won the most winnable 530 00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:43,000 Speaker 2: games of the appropriate candidates on this list, who won 531 00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:46,320 Speaker 2: the losable games, not who lost the winnable games. And 532 00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:48,639 Speaker 2: Dan Lanning has lost some winnable games, mind you, y. 533 00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:53,560 Speaker 2: I just think, especially those guys who haven't had a 534 00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:56,280 Speaker 2: huge payday and are in conferences or in Oregon State's 535 00:27:56,320 --> 00:28:00,280 Speaker 2: coat situation, not in a conference like I think there's 536 00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:02,920 Speaker 2: a perfect marriage in one of those types of coaches 537 00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:05,480 Speaker 2: that I don't think exists with Landing or Norvel or 538 00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:06,160 Speaker 2: any of those guys. 539 00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:09,200 Speaker 1: I would hire. Mike Elko, Chris climb In, Lancel Lance 540 00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:11,399 Speaker 1: Leipold was the first guy listed in the column that 541 00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:13,919 Speaker 1: Bruce put out there. Jeff Trailer, I think is a 542 00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:19,400 Speaker 1: great coach. He's somebody who builds hierarchy within his programs. 543 00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:22,840 Speaker 2: He's known as the reputation in state with high school coaches. Yeah, 544 00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:25,280 Speaker 2: he's got a coaching tree. I mean, he is a 545 00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:28,560 Speaker 2: very very good football coach that I think would do well, 546 00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:31,280 Speaker 2: certainly in the state of Texas. I would hire any 547 00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:33,720 Speaker 2: of those guys. I just wonder if there is still 548 00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:36,520 Speaker 2: that inclination to go to go big game hunting, and 549 00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:39,440 Speaker 2: that brings me to Lane Kiffin. Yeah, you know, Lane 550 00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:41,800 Speaker 2: Kiffin's been around an eternity in college football. 551 00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:44,680 Speaker 1: He's still a young guy. He makes a lot of sense. 552 00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:48,120 Speaker 1: He would know exactly how to use that NIL infrastructure. 553 00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:52,640 Speaker 1: He would certainly keep the recruiting on par him in Sark. 554 00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:54,560 Speaker 1: Duking it out in the state of Texas in the 555 00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:57,600 Speaker 1: rad Storry would be a great gat storyline for us 556 00:28:57,640 --> 00:29:00,120 Speaker 1: to cover. I also wonder, kind of to what you 557 00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:05,320 Speaker 1: mentioned earlier, if giving somebody like Lane Kiffen more resources 558 00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:06,480 Speaker 1: is going to make him a better coach. 559 00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:09,480 Speaker 2: Well, he's complained about NIL stuff and losing guys to 560 00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:13,080 Speaker 2: the portal because of NIL promises in paydays. Yeah, so 561 00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:16,080 Speaker 2: I just wonder if that's the most obvious direction. 562 00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:18,240 Speaker 1: I think he's a good football coach. He has made 563 00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:19,640 Speaker 1: the ole Miss program better. 564 00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:21,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, But. 565 00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:25,280 Speaker 1: Is he the type of game day coach that is 566 00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:28,720 Speaker 1: going to win those games you're supposed to win and 567 00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:30,840 Speaker 1: on occasion pick off one of the teams he's not 568 00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:31,400 Speaker 1: supposed to beat. 569 00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:33,160 Speaker 2: I don't It'll be kind of a funny fit though, right, 570 00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:36,520 Speaker 2: given all the like the West Coast California experience and 571 00:29:36,560 --> 00:29:40,160 Speaker 2: like the sort of rigidity, it seems like of Texas 572 00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:44,040 Speaker 2: A and M campus culture. It's a weird fit. It 573 00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:47,280 Speaker 2: feels like a weird fit to me, and I totally 574 00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:49,560 Speaker 2: expect they're going to go after him. It just feels 575 00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:51,840 Speaker 2: like a weird fit. And not that Ole Miss has 576 00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:54,920 Speaker 2: that California lifestyle, but like they're just like they've been 577 00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:57,880 Speaker 2: perennial underdogs within the SEC and like why not take 578 00:29:57,920 --> 00:30:01,600 Speaker 2: a shot with Lane Kiffin and having it does seem 579 00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:03,440 Speaker 2: like a strange fit. Though what's ross Byorke? Though? The 580 00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:07,880 Speaker 2: ad that I believe hired Lane at ole Miss is 581 00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:11,080 Speaker 2: now the ad at Texas A and M. So yeah, 582 00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:14,760 Speaker 2: there's the connective tissue there, and you understand why Lane 583 00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:17,719 Speaker 2: Kiffen is brought up with these jobs and has been 584 00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:21,680 Speaker 2: brought up with most recently what the Auburn search. I 585 00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:23,320 Speaker 2: think there was some back and forth there and he 586 00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:25,520 Speaker 2: had to like specifically announce before the Egg Bowl that 587 00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:29,080 Speaker 2: he wasn't taking that job. I don't know, it seems 588 00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:31,320 Speaker 2: like a weird fit, but you know what, this is 589 00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:36,400 Speaker 2: generational wealth for anybody who takes this job, and I 590 00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:38,840 Speaker 2: wouldn't blame them for taking it, but you really have 591 00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:43,320 Speaker 2: to to break things down and you have to have 592 00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:47,280 Speaker 2: the Cajones to say, we're not taking a top ten 593 00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:49,200 Speaker 2: class for the taking of for the sake of taking 594 00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:52,040 Speaker 2: a top ten class. If it's the right dudes, you know, 595 00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:54,960 Speaker 2: it's a culture thing. It's a who is going to 596 00:30:55,040 --> 00:30:57,880 Speaker 2: develop and stay here? Right It's culture is not about 597 00:30:57,920 --> 00:31:00,040 Speaker 2: just making everybody happy, but in this era, it's a 598 00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:03,440 Speaker 2: about keeping everybody on campus. And that's a money thing, 599 00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:06,080 Speaker 2: and that's a desire to stay within a locker room thing. 600 00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:08,800 Speaker 2: And so you have to find that right guy, because 601 00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:10,360 Speaker 2: it didn't seem like the culture was in a good 602 00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:11,160 Speaker 2: place these pastimes. 603 00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:14,360 Speaker 1: Novelle, I like Norvelle. I think he'd be I mean. 604 00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:17,880 Speaker 2: He started off things pretty rocky rock culturally, but he 605 00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:18,640 Speaker 2: pulled it together. 606 00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:20,760 Speaker 1: He's been good at He's been very targeted with the 607 00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:22,760 Speaker 1: guys he's brought in. Now, the Travis Hunter thing went 608 00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:24,160 Speaker 1: off the rails. I thought they were going to fire 609 00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:26,920 Speaker 1: it after that. But you know, I mean, all things consider, 610 00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:29,440 Speaker 1: I just think he's done a really good job. I 611 00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:31,600 Speaker 1: don't know if it makes sense. Some of these other 612 00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:34,920 Speaker 1: names here don't make any sense, Like Cliff Kingsbury, No 613 00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:38,680 Speaker 1: thank you. Eli Drinkwitz was on the hot seat to 614 00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:42,160 Speaker 1: like four weeks ago. So no, thanks PJ. Flex. Somebody 615 00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:44,920 Speaker 1: put PJ. Fleck on a list. I don't like that 616 00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:48,440 Speaker 1: at all. I'm just gonna say, James Franklin's a fine coach. 617 00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:49,520 Speaker 2: I can put. 618 00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:53,320 Speaker 1: Guys in touch if you're interested. Soliverbogmail dot com. Let 619 00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:53,640 Speaker 1: me know. 620 00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:57,360 Speaker 2: Would A and M high Urban. I don't think anybody's 621 00:31:57,440 --> 00:32:02,239 Speaker 2: hiring Urban. I think that ships sailed. I think they 622 00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:02,960 Speaker 2: might make a call. 623 00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:06,440 Speaker 1: The longer you think about it, the more you're gonna 624 00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:07,240 Speaker 1: talk yourself into No. 625 00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:09,480 Speaker 2: I don't think anybody's gonna hire him. I think he's done. 626 00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:13,280 Speaker 2: From everything I've heard, it's just not a situation that 627 00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:16,720 Speaker 2: once you start doing due diligence, people are gonna be like, 628 00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:21,880 Speaker 2: I think this is not the move. So uh yeah, 629 00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:25,320 Speaker 2: I think if you get the best ball coach, TI 630 00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:28,480 Speaker 2: get the best ball coach. Bring back you know the 631 00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:30,280 Speaker 2: guy who's at Oregon now, who helped to build that 632 00:32:30,280 --> 00:32:31,840 Speaker 2: class a couple years ago. I always forget how you 633 00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:35,960 Speaker 2: pronounce his name, Marshall mount Malcho or something, who's done 634 00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:38,120 Speaker 2: a great job as the He's like the number two guy. 635 00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:40,480 Speaker 2: He's the second most important person to the Oregon program 636 00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:43,280 Speaker 2: after Dan Lanning. You know, bring back that guy to 637 00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:47,320 Speaker 2: run things. I think he's from the South somewhere, So no, 638 00:32:47,520 --> 00:32:51,320 Speaker 2: I get one of those dudes. I've never crazy about 639 00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:54,680 Speaker 2: the G five jump unless there there's a good amount 640 00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:58,320 Speaker 2: of Power five experience in the resume. Uh So that's 641 00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:00,360 Speaker 2: why I like, I know Bruce listed De Troy coach 642 00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:03,640 Speaker 2: and Jeff Trailer from UTSA and the Troy coach John 643 00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:07,160 Speaker 2: Summral John summerlan has experienced at big places, so that's something. 644 00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:09,280 Speaker 2: But like I always appreciate if you're going to a 645 00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:12,280 Speaker 2: place that big, a good amount of healthy experience in 646 00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:15,480 Speaker 2: a large machine. Like again, Dan Lanning had at Georgia 647 00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:17,320 Speaker 2: and Alabama before taking the Oregon job. 648 00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:19,320 Speaker 1: So man, I. 649 00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:21,720 Speaker 2: Don't know who. I mean. Look, there's big name coordinators, 650 00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:25,200 Speaker 2: right Glenn Schumann at Georgia. Guys like that who you 651 00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:27,840 Speaker 2: know are doing the Kirby thing of waiting for that 652 00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:29,640 Speaker 2: right moment to take a big job. 653 00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:31,240 Speaker 1: Hire Glenn Shuman. 654 00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:33,680 Speaker 2: He's really young. If he's got thirty three something like that. 655 00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:36,480 Speaker 1: You can't do that. Why they would burn it down 656 00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:40,080 Speaker 1: if they didn't hire somebody who was after spending like 657 00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:43,760 Speaker 1: one hundred million dollars to basically get rid of Jimbo 658 00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:48,600 Speaker 1: and all of his roots. You're gonna hire Glenn Schuman. No, 659 00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:51,120 Speaker 1: you're gonna hire a coach with a proven year record. 660 00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:57,120 Speaker 2: You're you're hiring a Georgia person, right, You're hiring somebody 661 00:33:57,200 --> 00:34:01,840 Speaker 2: from the most dominant current program who is deeply interwoven 662 00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:05,760 Speaker 2: in the Georgia DNA. That's why these guys get hired. 663 00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:09,759 Speaker 1: You'd get them cheaper, right. But I know, I don't 664 00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:13,600 Speaker 1: see that. I just don't. I'm surprised a little bit 665 00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:16,960 Speaker 1: at the timing, but I suspect that A and M 666 00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:19,239 Speaker 1: breaking the seal is going to be the harbinger for 667 00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:23,800 Speaker 1: many other moves to come about. Jedfish, Jedfish, any. 668 00:34:23,680 --> 00:34:26,560 Speaker 2: Of these guys that are coming from smaller conferences moving forward, 669 00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:30,799 Speaker 2: he built up something super well crazy impressive. Defense, has 670 00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:33,160 Speaker 2: taken a nice step forward at a hard place to win. 671 00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:36,400 Speaker 2: Offense has taken a very impressive step forward. Has an 672 00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:41,719 Speaker 2: eye for quarterbacks, Big program experience, UCLA, Michigan NFL experience. 673 00:34:42,680 --> 00:34:43,840 Speaker 2: That's an interesting name to me. 674 00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:45,759 Speaker 1: There are a lot of interesting names, and I think 675 00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:48,000 Speaker 1: the money is going to make them all interesting. Anybody 676 00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:51,920 Speaker 1: who's potentially interested in this job, some other rumors that 677 00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:54,759 Speaker 1: are out there now. Sam Pittman rumors. Not maybe a 678 00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:57,359 Speaker 1: huge surprise, but Sam Pittman having a rough year with 679 00:34:57,680 --> 00:35:02,120 Speaker 1: Arkansas sounds like that could be one that we find 680 00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:05,600 Speaker 1: out more about here shortly. Andy Avolos, relieved of command, 681 00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:08,840 Speaker 1: saw that at Boise State twenty four and fourteen. In 682 00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:12,480 Speaker 1: his time at Boise some names that are I think 683 00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:16,160 Speaker 1: bubbling to the surface. Brian Harson the most notable among them. 684 00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:18,120 Speaker 1: Brian Harrison just kind of hanging out there after the 685 00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:21,000 Speaker 1: Auburn thing went bust. It seems like he would be 686 00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:23,960 Speaker 1: the leader in the clubhouse for that position. There are 687 00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:28,120 Speaker 1: some other names. Ryan Dinwittie coaching with the Argonauts now, 688 00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:32,200 Speaker 1: but wow. Kellen Moore another interesting name that. 689 00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:35,520 Speaker 2: Maybe could be the region. I think he's from eastern Washington. 690 00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:37,960 Speaker 1: But it seems like it'd be Harson's job to lose. 691 00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:42,000 Speaker 1: And we're starting to see some I think reverberations on 692 00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:44,440 Speaker 1: the coordinator front as well. Mike, you're sich. 693 00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:47,479 Speaker 2: Oh Davis has a really impressive coach I think would 694 00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:50,319 Speaker 2: thrive at Boise State. Yeah, yeah, gentleman by the name 695 00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:51,200 Speaker 2: of Dan Hawkins. 696 00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:54,440 Speaker 1: Dan Hawkins, the come on back, Come on back, baby, Mike, 697 00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:58,480 Speaker 1: you're sitch out as Penn State defensive or offensive coordinator. 698 00:35:58,480 --> 00:35:59,800 Speaker 1: Excuse me. You could argue that he's a bit of 699 00:35:59,840 --> 00:36:03,360 Speaker 1: a defensive coordinator. He's been great for the other teams 700 00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:07,359 Speaker 1: in his three seasons at Penn State. This is by 701 00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:10,640 Speaker 1: far the worst. This is going to be James Franklin's 702 00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:14,279 Speaker 1: sixth offensive coordinator since twenty fourteen. So a bit of 703 00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:17,800 Speaker 1: a turnstile there in State College. The offense has definitely 704 00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:19,240 Speaker 1: fallen short of expectations. 705 00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:22,800 Speaker 2: So I'm going to say, once again, if Drew Aller 706 00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:27,560 Speaker 2: can get used to the Eugene Chris Baar, I'm gonna thrive. 707 00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:31,320 Speaker 1: Why go all the way out to the Pacific Northwest 708 00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:32,960 Speaker 1: when he can just go a state to the west 709 00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:34,320 Speaker 1: and play for Notre Dame. 710 00:36:34,680 --> 00:36:37,400 Speaker 2: Play for Notre Dame. Whose Notre Dame is offensive coordinator? 711 00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:39,680 Speaker 2: What's what's the confidence you have in Notre Dame right 712 00:36:39,719 --> 00:36:40,400 Speaker 2: now on offense. 713 00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:44,080 Speaker 1: I have a high confidence that they're going to make 714 00:36:44,080 --> 00:36:45,120 Speaker 1: a change there. They have to. 715 00:36:45,160 --> 00:36:47,120 Speaker 2: They have no chube, Okay, they have to and do what. 716 00:36:48,200 --> 00:36:50,200 Speaker 1: Hire somebody else I don't know, right and throw it 717 00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:54,960 Speaker 1: to whom They've probably got better receivers that we know 718 00:36:55,080 --> 00:36:56,960 Speaker 1: about just they have not figured out how to use 719 00:36:57,000 --> 00:36:58,520 Speaker 1: them because of Jared frickin Parker. 720 00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:02,600 Speaker 2: Okay, that's mine, just telling you my take anyway. I 721 00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:06,160 Speaker 2: there they are tampering up a storm. I'm guessing in Eugene, 722 00:37:06,200 --> 00:37:08,799 Speaker 2: Oregon right now, and somebody's going to be somebody's gonna 723 00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:12,160 Speaker 2: be good. I'm not reporting anything, all right. 724 00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:15,839 Speaker 1: Well, we'll stay on top of it as best we can. Yeah, 725 00:37:16,120 --> 00:37:18,759 Speaker 1: reach out on social media if you hear anything, if 726 00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:21,000 Speaker 1: you have any ideas, if you have any thoughts, if 727 00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:23,680 Speaker 1: we missed anything here in our synopsis of what's going down, 728 00:37:23,719 --> 00:37:26,920 Speaker 1: notably at A and M. Please don't hesitate to let 729 00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:29,960 Speaker 1: us know. Of course, make sure you hit subscribe, make 730 00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:32,240 Speaker 1: sure you hit follow, Make sure you subscribe to YouTube 731 00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:35,600 Speaker 1: channels and social media accounts and the like so that 732 00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:39,279 Speaker 1: you don't miss any of our content. Verballers dot com. 733 00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:41,080 Speaker 1: The folks at verballers dot com had a chance to 734 00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:44,600 Speaker 1: hear this live in a stage channel out on Discord. 735 00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:46,799 Speaker 1: We're trying it out. Just see what see if we 736 00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:48,320 Speaker 1: like it, Dan, see how it goes. 737 00:37:48,520 --> 00:37:49,880 Speaker 2: I like it works. 738 00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:51,560 Speaker 1: Okay, I'm pretty into so far. 739 00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:53,360 Speaker 2: So good ty for that. 740 00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:55,920 Speaker 1: Go of there, My good friend Dan Rubinstein for myself, 741 00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:57,560 Speaker 1: Ty hildon Brand. Thank you for joining us on our 742 00:37:57,600 --> 00:38:01,560 Speaker 1: emergency podcast, talking all Things Coach Prousel. We'll talk to 743 00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:10,040 Speaker 1: you all soon. Stay solid, peace, MHM.