WEBVTT - The Trump Indictment 0:00:05.040 --> 0:00:13.080 Uh, it's it could happen here. It's it's it's it's 0:00:13.080 --> 0:00:16.560 it could happen here. A podcast that it is. It's 0:00:16.560 --> 0:00:20.800 happening to you here right now. Bad things, good things, 0:00:20.960 --> 0:00:24.759 all sorts of things, because today we are talking about 0:00:24.760 --> 0:00:29.680 the ultimate and bad good things, Donald Trump's indictment, uh, 0:00:29.840 --> 0:00:36.120 and very brief arrest Garrison Davis, James Stout. How how 0:00:36.120 --> 0:00:37.879 are we all doing today? How are we all feeling 0:00:38.400 --> 0:00:43.480 this week? We did it, Joe, the mission accomplished. Time 0:00:43.560 --> 0:00:46.760 to time to pack up? Yeah, Dark Brandon has come 0:00:46.840 --> 0:00:52.960 for Trump. Uh, finally, So I figured we would wait until, 0:00:53.240 --> 0:00:55.520 you know, a few days had gone by. There were 0:00:55.560 --> 0:00:58.320 a lot of when the initial indictment was announced, we 0:00:58.320 --> 0:01:00.680 didn't even actually know what all the chart es were. 0:01:01.640 --> 0:01:03.760 There was a pretty long period of time that we 0:01:03.800 --> 0:01:07.120 didn't know like what the actual crime at the center 0:01:07.200 --> 0:01:10.800 of this was. But most of that has now is 0:01:10.800 --> 0:01:15.480 now relatively clear, as are kind of the earliest stages 0:01:15.640 --> 0:01:18.680 of the fallout to the Trump indictment. So I feel 0:01:18.680 --> 0:01:22.319 like now is a reasonably good time to talk about it. 0:01:22.360 --> 0:01:25.679 More may have, you know, occur since we occurred since 0:01:25.680 --> 0:01:30.360 we recorded this, But broadly speaking, the thing that Trump 0:01:30.480 --> 0:01:34.679 got indicted by as According to the thirteen page court 0:01:34.760 --> 0:01:38.480 filing outlining the case against him by Manhattan District Attorney 0:01:38.520 --> 0:01:42.000 Alvin Bragg, was what's called a catch and kill scheme 0:01:42.360 --> 0:01:46.680 in which Trump and you know, his trumpets, would basically 0:01:46.840 --> 0:01:50.280 bribe people to not write bad stories about him. Um, 0:01:50.440 --> 0:01:53.280 you know, it's a hush money thing. My assumption is 0:01:53.280 --> 0:01:56.720 that basically everybody at that level of wealth and prominence 0:01:56.800 --> 0:02:00.880 does versions of the same thing, and these, in fact, 0:02:00.920 --> 0:02:03.960 are not crimes on their own. You can bribe somebody 0:02:04.080 --> 0:02:06.440 not to say a bad talk about a bad thing 0:02:06.480 --> 0:02:10.680 you did to the press. Where things get illegal is 0:02:10.720 --> 0:02:13.640 that Trump, you know, made a series of payments, primarily 0:02:13.680 --> 0:02:16.359 these one hundred and thirtyish thousand dollars in payments to 0:02:16.560 --> 0:02:22.120 Stormy Daniels to buy her quiet, and then he had 0:02:22.160 --> 0:02:26.040 to falsify company records or his people falsified company records 0:02:26.040 --> 0:02:30.760 to disguise the payments as legal fees. Bragg is arguing 0:02:31.040 --> 0:02:33.799 that not only is this a crime, but it's a 0:02:33.840 --> 0:02:38.680 felony crime because he did this. He falsified these records 0:02:38.720 --> 0:02:42.600 to disguise disguise these payments in order to further additional 0:02:42.680 --> 0:02:48.400 violations of the laws and those additional violations of the laws. 0:02:48.400 --> 0:02:53.200 The actual like core crime here is that disguise. Under 0:02:53.240 --> 0:02:56.240 New York law, disguising these kind of payments in corporate 0:02:56.240 --> 0:02:59.440 records is a crime. It's typically a misdemeanor, but it's 0:02:59.440 --> 0:03:02.040 a felony if the business records were intended to obscure 0:03:02.080 --> 0:03:05.200 a second crime. And in this case, the second crime 0:03:05.360 --> 0:03:08.880 appears to be the use of funds to advance his 0:03:09.160 --> 0:03:13.400 like presidential campaign, which was in violation of campaign finance laws. 0:03:13.440 --> 0:03:17.280 So the core crime that makes the misdemeanor of felony 0:03:17.400 --> 0:03:20.160 is the fact that he was doing this um in 0:03:20.280 --> 0:03:23.200 order to advance his presidential campaign, and thus, like the 0:03:23.200 --> 0:03:28.239 payments that he was making were basically counted as part 0:03:28.240 --> 0:03:30.079 of like the limited amount of money you can spend, 0:03:30.240 --> 0:03:33.120 you know, financing your campaign, and he violated that. Right. 0:03:33.200 --> 0:03:35.760 That's that's the gist of it, as I understand, like 0:03:35.840 --> 0:03:39.600 what's actually being argued here. Yeah, that seems to be 0:03:40.240 --> 0:03:43.240 about the side. Just for people who aun familiar, Bragg 0:03:43.400 --> 0:03:49.640 is Alvin Bragg, the yeah Manhattan da Okay. Yeah, what's 0:03:49.640 --> 0:03:52.760 really concerning about this is that if they can arrest Trump, 0:03:52.880 --> 0:03:54.600 that means they can arrest to any one of us. 0:03:55.000 --> 0:03:59.680 That's right, all the money that I've paid for people 0:03:59.680 --> 0:04:04.920 to up stories about, including Stormy Daniels, you know, yeah, No, 0:04:05.160 --> 0:04:09.080 it's um like people. There's a lot of talk about 0:04:09.120 --> 0:04:11.520 like is this a weak case or a strong case? 0:04:12.600 --> 0:04:16.719 None of us are lawyers. My I go kind of 0:04:16.720 --> 0:04:19.320 both ways about this. One of them is that Alvin 0:04:19.360 --> 0:04:22.560 Bragg is a guy who, you know, whatever he believes 0:04:22.600 --> 0:04:25.359 about this case, is also a prosecutor. That is a 0:04:25.400 --> 0:04:29.640 political position. Prosecuting someone and failing to get your man 0:04:29.960 --> 0:04:32.719 is bad for your career, and if that man is 0:04:32.760 --> 0:04:35.400 the president who you indict for the first time in 0:04:35.480 --> 0:04:38.799 living memory, that would be really bad for your career. 0:04:38.880 --> 0:04:42.599 So my assumption is that Bragg at least believes he's 0:04:42.640 --> 0:04:46.320 got a really strong case. Otherwise he because this is 0:04:46.360 --> 0:04:49.680 a tremendous risk for him right now. Obviously, can Trump 0:04:49.760 --> 0:04:51.839 wriggle his way out of it. Will Trump is extremely 0:04:51.839 --> 0:04:53.680 good at wriggling his way out of things, and he 0:04:53.720 --> 0:04:55.680 has all of the money in the world for lawyers. 0:04:55.720 --> 0:04:58.120 So I think it would be foolish to say it's 0:04:58.120 --> 0:05:01.839 a slam dunk either way. People who are saying that 0:05:01.920 --> 0:05:04.960 like this is a weird thing to prosecute him for 0:05:05.640 --> 0:05:10.320 I guess, but you know it does. I can see 0:05:10.360 --> 0:05:13.040 the logic that this guy that Bragg is kind of 0:05:13.080 --> 0:05:16.640 going with, and it's do I think this should be 0:05:16.680 --> 0:05:20.760 a felony? I guess. I don't care, as long as 0:05:21.120 --> 0:05:24.200 it does some damage to the man and causes him 0:05:24.240 --> 0:05:27.360 some like consternation, which is like the question, right, is 0:05:27.360 --> 0:05:29.880 this actually going to harm him? But yeah, like that 0:05:30.080 --> 0:05:33.640 is the more debatable question, right, Like it's just going 0:05:33.680 --> 0:05:36.040 to harm him? Will help him? There's there's a lot 0:05:36.080 --> 0:05:39.880 of talk about is this a political prosecution? And my 0:05:39.960 --> 0:05:43.080 general response to that is, well, like nearly all prosecutions 0:05:43.120 --> 0:05:45.800 are political, right, Like, even something that wouldn't seem like 0:05:45.800 --> 0:05:49.200 like a decision to go after a rapist will most 0:05:49.279 --> 0:05:52.480 rapists are not actually ever like charged or brought through 0:05:52.480 --> 0:05:55.640 the justice system. So if you're a prosecutor choosing to 0:05:55.720 --> 0:05:57.880 do that in a specific case, there's a degree of 0:05:57.920 --> 0:06:00.640 politics factoring into your decision, even if it's just as 0:06:00.640 --> 0:06:03.120 as simple as like, if I take on this case 0:06:03.160 --> 0:06:05.400 and I lose it, it could harm my ability to 0:06:05.520 --> 0:06:07.599 like move forward in the ways that I want to 0:06:07.640 --> 0:06:10.200 in my career. So I the fact that now this 0:06:10.279 --> 0:06:13.800 is political and perhaps a grander sense. I have no 0:06:13.839 --> 0:06:16.360 doubt that the fact that this is Donald fucking Trump 0:06:16.680 --> 0:06:20.400 and everything that's happened since twenty twenty has happened, that 0:06:20.440 --> 0:06:22.640 he has been a party, and I have no doubt 0:06:22.640 --> 0:06:26.560 that that all factors into this um. But I just 0:06:26.600 --> 0:06:29.719 don't see that as being like the fact that finally 0:06:30.080 --> 0:06:35.760 a prosecutor is making sort of a political prosecution of 0:06:35.800 --> 0:06:38.479 a man at the top of the hierarchy is not 0:06:38.640 --> 0:06:45.000 something that concerns me terribly. Yeah, I didn't think, like, 0:06:46.279 --> 0:06:50.920 I'm more concerned that this seems to have propelled him 0:06:50.920 --> 0:06:54.640 to the front of the Republican race and that he's 0:06:54.680 --> 0:06:56.760 getting a bunch of donations off it than I am 0:06:56.800 --> 0:07:01.040 about any any potential consequences like all, yeah, actual indictment. 0:07:01.600 --> 0:07:04.600 It is certainly an interesting political move for descentis to 0:07:05.000 --> 0:07:09.880 back Trump on this and not not like comply with extradition, 0:07:10.080 --> 0:07:11.960 not that it would ever get to that point, but 0:07:12.000 --> 0:07:15.080 that is still a move that Descent is made on purpose, 0:07:15.120 --> 0:07:18.160 which is an interesting political move considering it is a 0:07:18.200 --> 0:07:22.080 future candidacy and it is. Let's talk about that a second, 0:07:22.080 --> 0:07:25.200 because obviously thirty four felony accounts sounds like a lot 0:07:25.280 --> 0:07:28.720 that is in fact quite a few felonies. But the 0:07:28.920 --> 0:07:31.320 at least the coverage I'm reading is like it's basically 0:07:31.400 --> 0:07:34.920 unheard of for someone to actually do jail time for 0:07:34.960 --> 0:07:38.239 this as a first offense, which I don't know whatever 0:07:38.440 --> 0:07:42.360 like does that. It's absolutely breathtakingly he doesn't have a 0:07:42.360 --> 0:07:46.120 single crime on him, given me, he's essentially a career criminal. Well, 0:07:46.200 --> 0:07:49.600 there are continuing, like there's probably like the potential for 0:07:49.680 --> 0:07:52.520 prosecution still from like that call he had with the 0:07:53.280 --> 0:07:57.160 Secretary of State of Georgia, which we'll talk about a 0:07:57.160 --> 0:07:59.480 little bit. Yeah, I think there are a few sort 0:07:59.480 --> 0:08:03.480 of more, there's a number of things that, Yeah, this 0:08:03.560 --> 0:08:08.680 may not be the last Trump criminal indictment that we see. God, 0:08:08.360 --> 0:08:12.239 we can only hope. We can only hope because because 0:08:12.760 --> 0:08:14.920 it only gets more funny from here, and that's the 0:08:14.960 --> 0:08:18.640 only reason too. Yeah, well, well unless it doesn't. I'm 0:08:18.680 --> 0:08:21.920 seeing a lot of like panic from some people, certain 0:08:22.080 --> 0:08:25.480 certain folks in the progressive and kind of center left 0:08:25.680 --> 0:08:28.679 media sphere who are like, this has just handed Trump 0:08:28.720 --> 0:08:31.239 the nomination. This might have just handed Trump the election 0:08:32.679 --> 0:08:34.640 from what I'm looking at and from the polling I'm 0:08:34.640 --> 0:08:36.920 looking at, I mean, I think there's a good chance 0:08:36.960 --> 0:08:40.480 this helps I mean, I think the polling certainly supports 0:08:40.520 --> 0:08:45.240 the argument that this will help him cinch the nomination. 0:08:45.679 --> 0:08:48.600 I don't really think that was super end doubt before, 0:08:49.559 --> 0:08:53.760 although he has definitely gained onto Santis since all of this, 0:08:53.760 --> 0:08:57.160 this whole process started, there is evidence. I'm looking at 0:08:57.160 --> 0:08:59.760 a five thirty eight article right now. Trump's indictment might 0:08:59.760 --> 0:09:03.040 be make him more popular among Republicans. But kind of 0:09:03.080 --> 0:09:05.480 the point that's actually made is that the group that's 0:09:06.040 --> 0:09:09.199 that's getting more likely to back him is his base. 0:09:09.880 --> 0:09:12.520 Like maybe it's people who were softer on him because 0:09:12.520 --> 0:09:15.640 he didn't back you know, the J six people. Maybe 0:09:15.640 --> 0:09:17.280 some of them from them are just folks who kind 0:09:17.280 --> 0:09:19.680 of drifted away because you know, it's the years in 0:09:19.720 --> 0:09:22.560 between a presidential election, and that's a natural thing. So 0:09:22.600 --> 0:09:25.720 it may have galvanized his base. He's certainly he's raised 0:09:25.720 --> 0:09:30.520 four or five million dollars, he's seven now he's claiming seven. 0:09:30.559 --> 0:09:35.000 I mean, that seems real possible. He is saying that 0:09:35.040 --> 0:09:37.400 a significant chunk of it. I think like twenty percent 0:09:37.520 --> 0:09:40.559 might be more than that. Now we're like first time donations. 0:09:40.920 --> 0:09:43.600 That is what his people are claiming. That is not. 0:09:44.320 --> 0:09:47.239 I have no way of knowing if those numbers are legitimate. 0:09:48.160 --> 0:09:52.000 What we can say is that the polling that we're 0:09:52.000 --> 0:09:56.520 seeing nationally does not back the idea that this is 0:09:56.559 --> 0:10:00.840 causing a sea change in the likelihood of Americans to 0:10:00.920 --> 0:10:06.559 support Donald Trump. About sixty nine percent of Americans, according 0:10:06.640 --> 0:10:09.960 to a very nice according to an economist Yugov pole 0:10:10.800 --> 0:10:13.560 say that in general, failing to report having spent campaign 0:10:13.600 --> 0:10:16.040 money on payments in order to keep someone silent about 0:10:16.040 --> 0:10:18.880 an issue and affect the outcome of an election is 0:10:18.920 --> 0:10:23.360 a crime. About ninety percent Biden voters back this, while 0:10:23.600 --> 0:10:26.160 about fifty four percent of those who voted for Trump 0:10:26.160 --> 0:10:30.079 in twenty twenty said the same, Which is interesting. Now, 0:10:30.080 --> 0:10:32.840 that doesn't mean they also think that this is what 0:10:32.920 --> 0:10:35.000 Trump did, right, They're just saying they think that that 0:10:35.160 --> 0:10:40.800 is a crime. About fifty seven percent of Republicans according 0:10:40.840 --> 0:10:43.800 to that same or according to a Yahoo News Ugov poll, 0:10:43.960 --> 0:10:47.200 about fifty seven percent of Republicans and Republican leaders said 0:10:47.240 --> 0:10:50.000 they would support Trump and a head to head against 0:10:50.320 --> 0:10:54.320 Ronda Santis, who received thirty one percent. That's an increase 0:10:54.360 --> 0:10:57.680 in support for the president by about ten percent, but 0:10:58.160 --> 0:11:01.160 de Santis has only gone down like eight percent, so 0:11:01.200 --> 0:11:03.960 you can see like he Basically what's happening is that 0:11:04.360 --> 0:11:08.880 this is causing people to flock from de Santist to him, 0:11:09.960 --> 0:11:12.600 which is not kind of evidence that we're seeing like 0:11:12.679 --> 0:11:18.520 a broader national sweep. Quinnipiac University, NPR, PBS News Our 0:11:18.600 --> 0:11:22.920 Merist Pole kind of broadly supported the idea that investigations 0:11:23.360 --> 0:11:28.920 into Trump are popular among Americans, more popular than not. 0:11:29.160 --> 0:11:32.840 At least, about fifty six percent of Americans say the 0:11:32.880 --> 0:11:36.719 investigations into Trump are fair, about forty one percent say 0:11:36.760 --> 0:11:40.880 they're a witch hunt. Independence are pretty split on the issue, 0:11:41.440 --> 0:11:46.560 but obviously like Democrats, wildly supportive Republicans very much against. 0:11:46.960 --> 0:11:50.240 Most college educated adults come down on this being fair, 0:11:50.280 --> 0:11:54.200 as do most Gen Z and millennial people. Adults without 0:11:54.280 --> 0:11:57.680 a college education, white evangelicals, and those in small towns 0:11:57.760 --> 0:12:00.920 are most likely to call it a witch hunt. An 0:12:01.040 --> 0:12:05.000 NPRPBS News Hour Merist poll shows a plurality of Americans. 0:12:05.040 --> 0:12:08.680 Forty six percent believe Trump has done something illegal related 0:12:08.720 --> 0:12:12.440 to those investigations. Number. Another twenty nine percent say Trump 0:12:12.520 --> 0:12:15.480 has done something unethical but not illegal, while only twenty 0:12:15.480 --> 0:12:19.439 three percent say he's done nothing wrong. Overall, fifty seven 0:12:19.440 --> 0:12:22.600 percent of Americans say that criminal charges filed against Trump 0:12:22.679 --> 0:12:25.679 should disqualify him from a presidential bid. Thirty eight percent 0:12:25.760 --> 0:12:27.960 say it should not. That would be an area where 0:12:27.960 --> 0:12:30.600 I actually agree with the Republicans. I don't think that 0:12:30.640 --> 0:12:33.840 having charges against you should disqualify you from running for president. 0:12:34.000 --> 0:12:36.080 But man, I think if you are a fucking murderer, 0:12:36.120 --> 0:12:38.320 you should be able to run for president. People have 0:12:38.360 --> 0:12:40.600 the right to run for and vote for whoever the 0:12:40.640 --> 0:12:42.599 fuck they want, and I think that that is a 0:12:43.040 --> 0:12:46.720 strong core belief of mine. Not going to vote for Trump, 0:12:46.760 --> 0:12:49.000 but I think the fact that he's getting charged with 0:12:49.040 --> 0:12:51.560 a bunch of felonies should not. If he was in jail, 0:12:51.640 --> 0:12:53.960 he should be able to run as people have in 0:12:54.000 --> 0:12:59.400 the past. In my opinion, Yeah, Eugene Debs Trump president, 0:12:59.440 --> 0:13:02.959 and I'm kind of more interested actually in I think 0:13:02.960 --> 0:13:06.040 the Republican response is fairly predictable, Like all of this week, 0:13:06.120 --> 0:13:08.320 we could have called that, you know, the moment they 0:13:08.360 --> 0:13:12.719 said they were indicting him. The Democrats like, I'm like, 0:13:12.800 --> 0:13:14.240 I don't think the Democrats are ever going to do 0:13:14.240 --> 0:13:18.079 anything useful that will really change material conditions or make 0:13:18.160 --> 0:13:20.600 things much better for working people in this country. But 0:13:21.360 --> 0:13:23.720 the fact that it gives them the option to pivot 0:13:23.760 --> 0:13:27.640 back to like Orange Man Bad as their only campaign, 0:13:27.760 --> 0:13:31.960 as their only promise, as their only sort of principle, 0:13:32.160 --> 0:13:35.360 which like they put forward as as a reason to 0:13:35.440 --> 0:13:38.800 vote for them, is still bad. I think like it 0:13:38.840 --> 0:13:42.520 prevents even the modicum of accountability that we have for 0:13:43.840 --> 0:13:46.280 all the shit that the Democrats have done and all 0:13:46.280 --> 0:13:49.000 the shit that they haven't done in the past what 0:13:49.200 --> 0:13:51.560 like three two two and a half years since the election. 0:13:52.480 --> 0:13:55.440 I think that's so much broader of a problem than 0:13:55.520 --> 0:13:59.360 just dealing with this set of charges. I am. I 0:13:59.360 --> 0:14:02.320 am sympathy to the idea if you just kind of 0:14:02.320 --> 0:14:06.679 look at history that you can't let people do the 0:14:06.760 --> 0:14:11.480 kind of shit Trump did and not try to fucking 0:14:12.160 --> 0:14:15.280 go after them and not hammer the sons of bitches, right, 0:14:15.679 --> 0:14:17.640 and this is this is not you know, they went 0:14:17.760 --> 0:14:20.560 after after the beer Hall push, Hitler was jailed for 0:14:20.640 --> 0:14:23.720 like a year. So it doesn't mean that like slaps 0:14:23.760 --> 0:14:28.800 on the wrist don't necessarily have much of a protective effect. 0:14:29.400 --> 0:14:32.520 But I don't know, like, like I am so torn 0:14:32.600 --> 0:14:36.480 on this, and I mean, obviously it's really funny. I 0:14:36.520 --> 0:14:39.880 think it if this is kind of the start of 0:14:39.920 --> 0:14:42.840 a series of prosecutions that's going to make this guy's 0:14:43.040 --> 0:14:47.120 life hell, and that might actually even force some consequences 0:14:47.160 --> 0:14:50.320 for him. Then I think that's broadly speaking a good thing, 0:14:50.360 --> 0:14:53.479 as long as it doesn't, like disqualify him from the presidency, 0:14:53.520 --> 0:14:56.640 which I think would be a bad precedent. But I 0:14:56.680 --> 0:15:00.600 don't know. I'm broadly on team yeah, man, fuck him up, 0:15:00.840 --> 0:15:04.920 like we know this guy would have and in fact 0:15:05.040 --> 0:15:08.960 has promised too, if he gets into power again, use 0:15:09.080 --> 0:15:13.280 the state, use the Justice Department, remake it in his 0:15:13.320 --> 0:15:17.920 own image, and destroy his enemies. So I'm not against 0:15:17.920 --> 0:15:22.320 the idea that, like, well, the Dems, I tend to 0:15:22.360 --> 0:15:25.760 agree with you on most things, James, Like I don't 0:15:25.760 --> 0:15:30.840 believe the Democratic Party deserves to have an easy election 0:15:31.000 --> 0:15:35.160 right now because they've failed. I mean, we were this 0:15:35.240 --> 0:15:37.760 is the week where we're getting the announcement from Biden 0:15:37.800 --> 0:15:40.320 that he's essentially taking kind of the soft answer to 0:15:41.000 --> 0:15:44.640 the GOP attack on trans people participating in sporting events. 0:15:45.280 --> 0:15:47.640 We were also about a week out from his most 0:15:47.680 --> 0:15:50.240 recent announcement on or maybe actually it's been more like 0:15:50.280 --> 0:15:52.920 a couple of weeks on the border shit. We just 0:15:52.960 --> 0:15:56.640 had that horrible fire over in Warez like a week 0:15:56.720 --> 0:16:00.120 or so ago. Like the Biden administration has let a 0:16:00.120 --> 0:16:02.040 lot of people down in a number of ways. There's 0:16:02.080 --> 0:16:04.160 you know, some of the drilling shit that's about to 0:16:04.200 --> 0:16:07.440 start up again in Alaska is really unsettling to me. 0:16:07.480 --> 0:16:10.080 So I agree with you. I don't like the idea 0:16:10.320 --> 0:16:12.960 that they can make this be an Orange Man bad 0:16:12.960 --> 0:16:17.000 election again. And I'm hopeful that some of what we've seen, 0:16:17.320 --> 0:16:20.880 you know, particularly like the most recent election in Chicago, 0:16:21.480 --> 0:16:25.440 you know, maybe maybe there's kind of at least room 0:16:25.480 --> 0:16:28.760 at the state level for a lot more progressive to 0:16:28.880 --> 0:16:33.600 edge out kind of centrist Dems and force some consequences 0:16:33.640 --> 0:16:38.040 that way. But I I also am worried about, you know, this, 0:16:38.040 --> 0:16:42.440 this authoritarian who threatened to jail and murder a bunch 0:16:42.480 --> 0:16:47.440 of people I care about, and like I want, I 0:16:47.480 --> 0:16:50.040 want him to spend the rest of his life tangled 0:16:50.080 --> 0:16:52.120 up in that shit. I don't know that that's what 0:16:52.200 --> 0:16:54.400 this is going to be. You know, maybe they'll they'll 0:16:54.440 --> 0:16:59.000 fail miserably here, but I don't know. I do think 0:16:59.240 --> 0:17:01.960 the kind of panic that you're getting from some people 0:17:01.960 --> 0:17:04.119 that like this handed them the election, I'm not seeing 0:17:04.600 --> 0:17:07.479 evidence that that's the case. I think that maybe if 0:17:07.480 --> 0:17:11.080 this had happened in like twenty sixteen or even twenty twenty, 0:17:11.600 --> 0:17:14.879 sure you might get something like that. But at the 0:17:14.960 --> 0:17:18.359 point where at now, I just don't think new people 0:17:18.600 --> 0:17:22.800 are coming to Trump in numbers. Yeah, yeah, and and 0:17:22.800 --> 0:17:25.679 and and it very much makes sense for the liberal 0:17:25.720 --> 0:17:29.800 state apparatus to try to defend itself from what it 0:17:29.880 --> 0:17:35.560 sees as like an insurgent, reactionary factor, right, Like, that's 0:17:35.600 --> 0:17:38.040 that is, that is how they view Trump and Trump's 0:17:38.040 --> 0:17:40.600 political power, So it makes sense they will use their 0:17:40.640 --> 0:17:46.040 own powers to try to resist that from gaining control. Again. Um, 0:17:46.320 --> 0:17:49.000 whether or not you believe the state apparatus should exist 0:17:49.200 --> 0:17:52.720 at all, or how how valid you view its existence, 0:17:53.000 --> 0:17:56.480 it makes sense what they're doing. Yeah, I'm not, I'm not, 0:17:57.040 --> 0:17:59.520 I am I mean, honestly, I am surprised they committed 0:17:59.560 --> 0:18:03.040 to it because there is in part because this is 0:18:03.080 --> 0:18:06.280 a tremendous risk for Bragg and the people around him. 0:18:06.359 --> 0:18:09.879 Right if this fails, which it very well might. You know, 0:18:09.920 --> 0:18:13.840 obviously that would have could have consequences for everybody, but 0:18:14.119 --> 0:18:17.159 you know, it could have really serious career consequences for 0:18:17.200 --> 0:18:20.000 this guy. And I am surprised that you've you've got 0:18:20.040 --> 0:18:22.919 someone willing to kind of throw the dice here, and 0:18:22.960 --> 0:18:26.720 I'm hopeful that maybe that inspires especially since this case, 0:18:26.760 --> 0:18:29.199 by the way, since I'm sure people are curious. No 0:18:29.280 --> 0:18:31.680 one I've looked at who knows more about the law 0:18:31.680 --> 0:18:34.919 than me expects this to hit trial quickly. Again, Trump 0:18:34.960 --> 0:18:36.800 has all of the money in the world, and this 0:18:36.920 --> 0:18:40.480 is like probably going to be a pretty winding process 0:18:40.480 --> 0:18:43.240 outside of just the normal problems of like a rich 0:18:43.280 --> 0:18:45.680 man as being accused of a series of crimes and 0:18:45.760 --> 0:18:48.800 has many lawyers. The Secret Service has a lot to 0:18:48.840 --> 0:18:51.320 say and when and how the actual trial part of 0:18:51.320 --> 0:18:54.280 this commences, and that has a chance of extending it. 0:18:54.320 --> 0:18:57.880 So my hope is that as this kind of winds on, 0:18:58.520 --> 0:19:00.960 maybe the fact that Bragg was willing to kind of 0:19:00.960 --> 0:19:03.280 take a shot in the dark here, so to speak, 0:19:03.359 --> 0:19:07.560 inspires some of these other prosecutors who have been, you know, 0:19:07.680 --> 0:19:11.040 poking at Trump to take a swing, and maybe with 0:19:11.160 --> 0:19:14.800 enough swings, you know, it'll be like that that guy 0:19:14.880 --> 0:19:17.800 we had on Troy Hurdibes and his bare armor suit. 0:19:17.840 --> 0:19:19.640 You know, you get a bunch of bikers to surround 0:19:19.680 --> 0:19:22.359 him with two by fours and just swing until they're 0:19:22.359 --> 0:19:26.199 all broken and he's on the ground. Um, it'll be 0:19:26.240 --> 0:19:28.919 like it'll be like that scene from a Venger's end 0:19:28.960 --> 0:19:34.600 Game and all of the George Soros DA's are garrison 0:19:34.840 --> 0:19:39.960 absolutely not led by George. Sorry, I've never been angrier 0:19:40.040 --> 0:19:46.560 at you right now than bringing up that fucking adventure scene. Um. Yeah, 0:19:46.600 --> 0:19:52.400 So did y'all watch Trump's video response, Oh, the one 0:19:52.440 --> 0:19:56.840 that played on all of the new stations except for MSNBC. Yeah, yeah, 0:19:56.880 --> 0:19:59.280 we should talk. I actually did not watch it. Now. 0:19:59.320 --> 0:20:02.199 I attempted to avoid that as well. Actually, well I 0:20:02.320 --> 0:20:05.160 watched give Yourself to that for us Robot. I sure did, 0:20:05.240 --> 0:20:08.479 and I have a summary of the most salient parts. 0:20:09.600 --> 0:20:12.680 First off, I think that MSNBC made the right call. 0:20:12.920 --> 0:20:15.320 They kind of summarized what was going on, but like 0:20:15.800 --> 0:20:19.919 didn't just let him speak, you know, uninterrupted. For it 0:20:20.080 --> 0:20:23.520 was like fifteen minutes, something like twenty minutes of interrupted, Robert, 0:20:23.560 --> 0:20:26.359 would you like to be interrupted by some plugs for 0:20:26.400 --> 0:20:32.679 goods and services? Absolutely, Betty. Donald Trump is a master 0:20:32.800 --> 0:20:50.600 spokesman and these are master products. Get your gold. We're back. Uh. 0:20:51.480 --> 0:20:56.200 It's been such a glorious, glorious time. Everyone's everybody's really 0:20:56.200 --> 0:21:02.760 feeling powerful today, mighty anyway Trump, So I don't know. 0:21:02.800 --> 0:21:07.200 I watched this fucking thing. I guess my overall sentiment 0:21:07.280 --> 0:21:10.439 would be kind of boring, right, This is not the 0:21:10.600 --> 0:21:14.679 level of energy or the degree of kind of like 0:21:15.440 --> 0:21:20.760 manic violent undercurrents that like his American Carnage speech had, 0:21:21.720 --> 0:21:24.720 or even that like some of his more recent speeches 0:21:24.720 --> 0:21:28.000 in front of crowds have had. I don't see. There's 0:21:28.040 --> 0:21:30.320 so many people I've watched to have takes on this 0:21:30.440 --> 0:21:33.119 who are like and that. One of the joys of 0:21:33.119 --> 0:21:35.520 Twitter is you'll see some guy who's I don't know, 0:21:35.560 --> 0:21:38.520 an analyst at some newspaper be like, wow, Trump was 0:21:38.560 --> 0:21:41.320 really low energy. He seems frightened. You know, I'm telling you, 0:21:41.359 --> 0:21:43.920 this is a scared man. He's worried about these charges. 0:21:44.240 --> 0:21:46.760 And then like someone else with almost the same CV 0:21:46.880 --> 0:21:50.120 at a different place will be like, wow, Trump seems angry. 0:21:50.160 --> 0:21:53.040 You know, he's about he's about to lash back. Everybody 0:21:53.119 --> 0:21:57.159 better be ready for his counter strike. And honestly, I 0:21:57.240 --> 0:22:01.960 just thought it was like kind of perfunctor. It didn't 0:22:02.000 --> 0:22:04.399 see he certainly didn't seem low energy, but he didn't 0:22:04.400 --> 0:22:08.200 seem like he had he didn't seem like he had 0:22:08.880 --> 0:22:12.639 much to say other than kind of meander over some 0:22:12.720 --> 0:22:14.800 of his some some talking points that are at this 0:22:14.840 --> 0:22:19.280 point mostly pretty lukewarm. He kind of runs through at 0:22:19.280 --> 0:22:22.120 the start of this a laundry list of right wing 0:22:22.200 --> 0:22:25.080 talking points that like the Democrats spied on his campaign 0:22:25.080 --> 0:22:29.639 in twenty sixteen, that he was subjected to fraudulent investigations 0:22:29.680 --> 0:22:32.240 from the Russia and Ukraine stuff to the impeachments to 0:22:32.280 --> 0:22:35.080 the raid on Mara Lago. And then he broadens it 0:22:35.119 --> 0:22:38.360 by talking about how the FBI and the dj relentlessly 0:22:38.480 --> 0:22:41.679 pursue Republicans. And I was kind of expecting him to 0:22:41.960 --> 0:22:44.439 lean more into the I am your vengeance shit that 0:22:44.560 --> 0:22:47.919 he's been doing lately. He doesn't really as much as 0:22:47.960 --> 0:22:50.239 I had expected him to in this, Like you can, 0:22:50.320 --> 0:22:52.520 he kind of like dips his toes into it, but 0:22:52.560 --> 0:22:55.160 I think he's so focused on what's happening to him 0:22:55.200 --> 0:22:58.320 that he doesn't he doesn't like push that as much 0:22:58.320 --> 0:23:00.719 as I was kind of expecting. So this is what 0:23:00.760 --> 0:23:03.840 comes after him like ranting about the DOJ and the 0:23:03.920 --> 0:23:07.600 FBI relentlessly pursuing Republicans. He then kind of like goes 0:23:07.640 --> 0:23:10.439 into the election fraud claimed stuff. Again, he gives a 0:23:10.480 --> 0:23:13.760 bunch of lies there about the election, then about there 0:23:13.800 --> 0:23:16.080 being like ballots stuffed and all that kind of shit. 0:23:16.400 --> 0:23:18.800 Then he like pivots straight from that to talking about 0:23:18.800 --> 0:23:21.760 how Twitter purportedly worked with the Biden family to hide 0:23:21.800 --> 0:23:27.440 information about Hunter Biden. This is like debunked Twitter file shifts. Yeah, 0:23:27.560 --> 0:23:30.160 update on Twitter files. Matt to Beebe has just left 0:23:30.200 --> 0:23:33.359 Twitter because it will lay him post substance sub stack. 0:23:33.720 --> 0:23:36.680 We do know obviously like they did stuff like say hey, 0:23:36.720 --> 0:23:40.439 please remove this video that shows Hunter Biden's penis um, 0:23:41.040 --> 0:23:44.040 but also like that's not number one is not supposed 0:23:44.040 --> 0:23:46.040 to be stuff that's on Twitter. That's kind of like 0:23:46.240 --> 0:23:49.960 crossing the revenge porn line. And you know, both sides 0:23:50.560 --> 0:23:55.280