1 00:00:05,040 --> 00:00:13,080 Speaker 1: Uh, it's it could happen here. It's it's it's it's 2 00:00:13,080 --> 00:00:16,560 Speaker 1: it could happen here. A podcast that it is. It's 3 00:00:16,560 --> 00:00:20,800 Speaker 1: happening to you here right now. Bad things, good things, 4 00:00:20,960 --> 00:00:24,759 Speaker 1: all sorts of things, because today we are talking about 5 00:00:24,760 --> 00:00:29,680 Speaker 1: the ultimate and bad good things, Donald Trump's indictment, uh, 6 00:00:29,840 --> 00:00:36,120 Speaker 1: and very brief arrest Garrison Davis, James Stout. How how 7 00:00:36,120 --> 00:00:37,879 Speaker 1: are we all doing today? How are we all feeling 8 00:00:38,400 --> 00:00:43,480 Speaker 1: this week? We did it, Joe, the mission accomplished. Time 9 00:00:43,560 --> 00:00:46,760 Speaker 1: to time to pack up? Yeah, Dark Brandon has come 10 00:00:46,840 --> 00:00:52,960 Speaker 1: for Trump. Uh, finally, So I figured we would wait until, 11 00:00:53,240 --> 00:00:55,520 Speaker 1: you know, a few days had gone by. There were 12 00:00:55,560 --> 00:00:58,320 Speaker 1: a lot of when the initial indictment was announced, we 13 00:00:58,320 --> 00:01:00,680 Speaker 1: didn't even actually know what all the chart es were. 14 00:01:01,640 --> 00:01:03,760 Speaker 1: There was a pretty long period of time that we 15 00:01:03,800 --> 00:01:07,120 Speaker 1: didn't know like what the actual crime at the center 16 00:01:07,200 --> 00:01:10,800 Speaker 1: of this was. But most of that has now is 17 00:01:10,800 --> 00:01:15,480 Speaker 1: now relatively clear, as are kind of the earliest stages 18 00:01:15,640 --> 00:01:18,680 Speaker 1: of the fallout to the Trump indictment. So I feel 19 00:01:18,680 --> 00:01:22,319 Speaker 1: like now is a reasonably good time to talk about it. 20 00:01:22,360 --> 00:01:25,679 Speaker 1: More may have, you know, occur since we occurred since 21 00:01:25,680 --> 00:01:30,360 Speaker 1: we recorded this, But broadly speaking, the thing that Trump 22 00:01:30,480 --> 00:01:34,679 Speaker 1: got indicted by as According to the thirteen page court 23 00:01:34,760 --> 00:01:38,480 Speaker 1: filing outlining the case against him by Manhattan District Attorney 24 00:01:38,520 --> 00:01:42,000 Speaker 1: Alvin Bragg, was what's called a catch and kill scheme 25 00:01:42,360 --> 00:01:46,680 Speaker 1: in which Trump and you know, his trumpets, would basically 26 00:01:46,840 --> 00:01:50,280 Speaker 1: bribe people to not write bad stories about him. Um, 27 00:01:50,440 --> 00:01:53,280 Speaker 1: you know, it's a hush money thing. My assumption is 28 00:01:53,280 --> 00:01:56,720 Speaker 1: that basically everybody at that level of wealth and prominence 29 00:01:56,800 --> 00:02:00,880 Speaker 1: does versions of the same thing, and these, in fact, 30 00:02:00,920 --> 00:02:03,960 Speaker 1: are not crimes on their own. You can bribe somebody 31 00:02:04,080 --> 00:02:06,440 Speaker 1: not to say a bad talk about a bad thing 32 00:02:06,480 --> 00:02:10,680 Speaker 1: you did to the press. Where things get illegal is 33 00:02:10,720 --> 00:02:13,640 Speaker 1: that Trump, you know, made a series of payments, primarily 34 00:02:13,680 --> 00:02:16,359 Speaker 1: these one hundred and thirtyish thousand dollars in payments to 35 00:02:16,560 --> 00:02:22,120 Speaker 1: Stormy Daniels to buy her quiet, and then he had 36 00:02:22,160 --> 00:02:26,040 Speaker 1: to falsify company records or his people falsified company records 37 00:02:26,040 --> 00:02:30,760 Speaker 1: to disguise the payments as legal fees. Bragg is arguing 38 00:02:31,040 --> 00:02:33,799 Speaker 1: that not only is this a crime, but it's a 39 00:02:33,840 --> 00:02:38,680 Speaker 1: felony crime because he did this. He falsified these records 40 00:02:38,720 --> 00:02:42,600 Speaker 1: to disguise disguise these payments in order to further additional 41 00:02:42,680 --> 00:02:48,400 Speaker 1: violations of the laws and those additional violations of the laws. 42 00:02:48,400 --> 00:02:53,200 Speaker 1: The actual like core crime here is that disguise. Under 43 00:02:53,240 --> 00:02:56,240 Speaker 1: New York law, disguising these kind of payments in corporate 44 00:02:56,240 --> 00:02:59,440 Speaker 1: records is a crime. It's typically a misdemeanor, but it's 45 00:02:59,440 --> 00:03:02,040 Speaker 1: a felony if the business records were intended to obscure 46 00:03:02,080 --> 00:03:05,200 Speaker 1: a second crime. And in this case, the second crime 47 00:03:05,360 --> 00:03:08,880 Speaker 1: appears to be the use of funds to advance his 48 00:03:09,160 --> 00:03:13,400 Speaker 1: like presidential campaign, which was in violation of campaign finance laws. 49 00:03:13,440 --> 00:03:17,280 Speaker 1: So the core crime that makes the misdemeanor of felony 50 00:03:17,400 --> 00:03:20,160 Speaker 1: is the fact that he was doing this um in 51 00:03:20,280 --> 00:03:23,200 Speaker 1: order to advance his presidential campaign, and thus, like the 52 00:03:23,200 --> 00:03:28,239 Speaker 1: payments that he was making were basically counted as part 53 00:03:28,240 --> 00:03:30,079 Speaker 1: of like the limited amount of money you can spend, 54 00:03:30,240 --> 00:03:33,120 Speaker 1: you know, financing your campaign, and he violated that. Right. 55 00:03:33,200 --> 00:03:35,760 Speaker 1: That's that's the gist of it, as I understand, like 56 00:03:35,840 --> 00:03:39,600 Speaker 1: what's actually being argued here. Yeah, that seems to be 57 00:03:40,240 --> 00:03:43,240 Speaker 1: about the side. Just for people who aun familiar, Bragg 58 00:03:43,400 --> 00:03:49,640 Speaker 1: is Alvin Bragg, the yeah Manhattan da Okay. Yeah, what's 59 00:03:49,640 --> 00:03:52,760 Speaker 1: really concerning about this is that if they can arrest Trump, 60 00:03:52,880 --> 00:03:54,600 Speaker 1: that means they can arrest to any one of us. 61 00:03:55,000 --> 00:03:59,680 Speaker 1: That's right, all the money that I've paid for people 62 00:03:59,680 --> 00:04:04,920 Speaker 1: to up stories about, including Stormy Daniels, you know, yeah, No, 63 00:04:05,160 --> 00:04:09,080 Speaker 1: it's um like people. There's a lot of talk about 64 00:04:09,120 --> 00:04:11,520 Speaker 1: like is this a weak case or a strong case? 65 00:04:12,600 --> 00:04:16,719 Speaker 1: None of us are lawyers. My I go kind of 66 00:04:16,720 --> 00:04:19,320 Speaker 1: both ways about this. One of them is that Alvin 67 00:04:19,360 --> 00:04:22,560 Speaker 1: Bragg is a guy who, you know, whatever he believes 68 00:04:22,600 --> 00:04:25,359 Speaker 1: about this case, is also a prosecutor. That is a 69 00:04:25,400 --> 00:04:29,640 Speaker 1: political position. Prosecuting someone and failing to get your man 70 00:04:29,960 --> 00:04:32,719 Speaker 1: is bad for your career, and if that man is 71 00:04:32,760 --> 00:04:35,400 Speaker 1: the president who you indict for the first time in 72 00:04:35,480 --> 00:04:38,799 Speaker 1: living memory, that would be really bad for your career. 73 00:04:38,880 --> 00:04:42,599 Speaker 1: So my assumption is that Bragg at least believes he's 74 00:04:42,640 --> 00:04:46,320 Speaker 1: got a really strong case. Otherwise he because this is 75 00:04:46,360 --> 00:04:49,680 Speaker 1: a tremendous risk for him right now. Obviously, can Trump 76 00:04:49,760 --> 00:04:51,839 Speaker 1: wriggle his way out of it. Will Trump is extremely 77 00:04:51,839 --> 00:04:53,680 Speaker 1: good at wriggling his way out of things, and he 78 00:04:53,720 --> 00:04:55,680 Speaker 1: has all of the money in the world for lawyers. 79 00:04:55,720 --> 00:04:58,120 Speaker 1: So I think it would be foolish to say it's 80 00:04:58,120 --> 00:05:01,839 Speaker 1: a slam dunk either way. People who are saying that 81 00:05:01,920 --> 00:05:04,960 Speaker 1: like this is a weird thing to prosecute him for 82 00:05:05,640 --> 00:05:10,320 Speaker 1: I guess, but you know it does. I can see 83 00:05:10,360 --> 00:05:13,040 Speaker 1: the logic that this guy that Bragg is kind of 84 00:05:13,080 --> 00:05:16,640 Speaker 1: going with, and it's do I think this should be 85 00:05:16,680 --> 00:05:20,760 Speaker 1: a felony? I guess. I don't care, as long as 86 00:05:21,120 --> 00:05:24,200 Speaker 1: it does some damage to the man and causes him 87 00:05:24,240 --> 00:05:27,360 Speaker 1: some like consternation, which is like the question, right, is 88 00:05:27,360 --> 00:05:29,880 Speaker 1: this actually going to harm him? But yeah, like that 89 00:05:30,080 --> 00:05:33,640 Speaker 1: is the more debatable question, right, Like it's just going 90 00:05:33,680 --> 00:05:36,040 Speaker 1: to harm him? Will help him? There's there's a lot 91 00:05:36,080 --> 00:05:39,880 Speaker 1: of talk about is this a political prosecution? And my 92 00:05:39,960 --> 00:05:43,080 Speaker 1: general response to that is, well, like nearly all prosecutions 93 00:05:43,120 --> 00:05:45,800 Speaker 1: are political, right, Like, even something that wouldn't seem like 94 00:05:45,800 --> 00:05:49,200 Speaker 1: like a decision to go after a rapist will most 95 00:05:49,279 --> 00:05:52,480 Speaker 1: rapists are not actually ever like charged or brought through 96 00:05:52,480 --> 00:05:55,640 Speaker 1: the justice system. So if you're a prosecutor choosing to 97 00:05:55,720 --> 00:05:57,880 Speaker 1: do that in a specific case, there's a degree of 98 00:05:57,920 --> 00:06:00,640 Speaker 1: politics factoring into your decision, even if it's just as 99 00:06:00,640 --> 00:06:03,120 Speaker 1: as simple as like, if I take on this case 100 00:06:03,160 --> 00:06:05,400 Speaker 1: and I lose it, it could harm my ability to 101 00:06:05,520 --> 00:06:07,599 Speaker 1: like move forward in the ways that I want to 102 00:06:07,640 --> 00:06:10,200 Speaker 1: in my career. So I the fact that now this 103 00:06:10,279 --> 00:06:13,800 Speaker 1: is political and perhaps a grander sense. I have no 104 00:06:13,839 --> 00:06:16,360 Speaker 1: doubt that the fact that this is Donald fucking Trump 105 00:06:16,680 --> 00:06:20,400 Speaker 1: and everything that's happened since twenty twenty has happened, that 106 00:06:20,440 --> 00:06:22,640 Speaker 1: he has been a party, and I have no doubt 107 00:06:22,640 --> 00:06:26,560 Speaker 1: that that all factors into this um. But I just 108 00:06:26,600 --> 00:06:29,719 Speaker 1: don't see that as being like the fact that finally 109 00:06:30,080 --> 00:06:35,760 Speaker 1: a prosecutor is making sort of a political prosecution of 110 00:06:35,800 --> 00:06:38,479 Speaker 1: a man at the top of the hierarchy is not 111 00:06:38,640 --> 00:06:45,000 Speaker 1: something that concerns me terribly. Yeah, I didn't think, like, 112 00:06:46,279 --> 00:06:50,920 Speaker 1: I'm more concerned that this seems to have propelled him 113 00:06:50,920 --> 00:06:54,640 Speaker 1: to the front of the Republican race and that he's 114 00:06:54,680 --> 00:06:56,760 Speaker 1: getting a bunch of donations off it than I am 115 00:06:56,800 --> 00:07:01,040 Speaker 1: about any any potential consequences like all, yeah, actual indictment. 116 00:07:01,600 --> 00:07:04,600 Speaker 1: It is certainly an interesting political move for descentis to 117 00:07:05,000 --> 00:07:09,880 Speaker 1: back Trump on this and not not like comply with extradition, 118 00:07:10,080 --> 00:07:11,960 Speaker 1: not that it would ever get to that point, but 119 00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:15,080 Speaker 1: that is still a move that Descent is made on purpose, 120 00:07:15,120 --> 00:07:18,160 Speaker 1: which is an interesting political move considering it is a 121 00:07:18,200 --> 00:07:22,080 Speaker 1: future candidacy and it is. Let's talk about that a second, 122 00:07:22,080 --> 00:07:25,200 Speaker 1: because obviously thirty four felony accounts sounds like a lot 123 00:07:25,280 --> 00:07:28,720 Speaker 1: that is in fact quite a few felonies. But the 124 00:07:28,920 --> 00:07:31,320 Speaker 1: at least the coverage I'm reading is like it's basically 125 00:07:31,400 --> 00:07:34,920 Speaker 1: unheard of for someone to actually do jail time for 126 00:07:34,960 --> 00:07:38,239 Speaker 1: this as a first offense, which I don't know whatever 127 00:07:38,440 --> 00:07:42,360 Speaker 1: like does that. It's absolutely breathtakingly he doesn't have a 128 00:07:42,360 --> 00:07:46,120 Speaker 1: single crime on him, given me, he's essentially a career criminal. Well, 129 00:07:46,200 --> 00:07:49,600 Speaker 1: there are continuing, like there's probably like the potential for 130 00:07:49,680 --> 00:07:52,520 Speaker 1: prosecution still from like that call he had with the 131 00:07:53,280 --> 00:07:57,160 Speaker 1: Secretary of State of Georgia, which we'll talk about a 132 00:07:57,160 --> 00:07:59,480 Speaker 1: little bit. Yeah, I think there are a few sort 133 00:07:59,480 --> 00:08:03,480 Speaker 1: of more, there's a number of things that, Yeah, this 134 00:08:03,560 --> 00:08:08,680 Speaker 1: may not be the last Trump criminal indictment that we see. God, 135 00:08:08,360 --> 00:08:12,239 Speaker 1: we can only hope. We can only hope because because 136 00:08:12,760 --> 00:08:14,920 Speaker 1: it only gets more funny from here, and that's the 137 00:08:14,960 --> 00:08:18,640 Speaker 1: only reason too. Yeah, well, well unless it doesn't. I'm 138 00:08:18,680 --> 00:08:21,920 Speaker 1: seeing a lot of like panic from some people, certain 139 00:08:22,080 --> 00:08:25,480 Speaker 1: certain folks in the progressive and kind of center left 140 00:08:25,680 --> 00:08:28,679 Speaker 1: media sphere who are like, this has just handed Trump 141 00:08:28,720 --> 00:08:31,239 Speaker 1: the nomination. This might have just handed Trump the election 142 00:08:32,679 --> 00:08:34,640 Speaker 1: from what I'm looking at and from the polling I'm 143 00:08:34,640 --> 00:08:36,920 Speaker 1: looking at, I mean, I think there's a good chance 144 00:08:36,960 --> 00:08:40,480 Speaker 1: this helps I mean, I think the polling certainly supports 145 00:08:40,520 --> 00:08:45,240 Speaker 1: the argument that this will help him cinch the nomination. 146 00:08:45,679 --> 00:08:48,600 Speaker 1: I don't really think that was super end doubt before, 147 00:08:49,559 --> 00:08:53,760 Speaker 1: although he has definitely gained onto Santis since all of this, 148 00:08:53,760 --> 00:08:57,160 Speaker 1: this whole process started, there is evidence. I'm looking at 149 00:08:57,160 --> 00:08:59,760 Speaker 1: a five thirty eight article right now. Trump's indictment might 150 00:08:59,760 --> 00:09:03,040 Speaker 1: be make him more popular among Republicans. But kind of 151 00:09:03,080 --> 00:09:05,480 Speaker 1: the point that's actually made is that the group that's 152 00:09:06,040 --> 00:09:09,199 Speaker 1: that's getting more likely to back him is his base. 153 00:09:09,880 --> 00:09:12,520 Speaker 1: Like maybe it's people who were softer on him because 154 00:09:12,520 --> 00:09:15,640 Speaker 1: he didn't back you know, the J six people. Maybe 155 00:09:15,640 --> 00:09:17,280 Speaker 1: some of them from them are just folks who kind 156 00:09:17,280 --> 00:09:19,680 Speaker 1: of drifted away because you know, it's the years in 157 00:09:19,720 --> 00:09:22,560 Speaker 1: between a presidential election, and that's a natural thing. So 158 00:09:22,600 --> 00:09:25,720 Speaker 1: it may have galvanized his base. He's certainly he's raised 159 00:09:25,720 --> 00:09:30,520 Speaker 1: four or five million dollars, he's seven now he's claiming seven. 160 00:09:30,559 --> 00:09:35,000 Speaker 1: I mean, that seems real possible. He is saying that 161 00:09:35,040 --> 00:09:37,400 Speaker 1: a significant chunk of it. I think like twenty percent 162 00:09:37,520 --> 00:09:40,559 Speaker 1: might be more than that. Now we're like first time donations. 163 00:09:40,920 --> 00:09:43,600 Speaker 1: That is what his people are claiming. That is not. 164 00:09:44,320 --> 00:09:47,239 Speaker 1: I have no way of knowing if those numbers are legitimate. 165 00:09:48,160 --> 00:09:52,000 Speaker 1: What we can say is that the polling that we're 166 00:09:52,000 --> 00:09:56,520 Speaker 1: seeing nationally does not back the idea that this is 167 00:09:56,559 --> 00:10:00,840 Speaker 1: causing a sea change in the likelihood of Americans to 168 00:10:00,920 --> 00:10:06,559 Speaker 1: support Donald Trump. About sixty nine percent of Americans, according 169 00:10:06,640 --> 00:10:09,960 Speaker 1: to a very nice according to an economist Yugov pole 170 00:10:10,800 --> 00:10:13,560 Speaker 1: say that in general, failing to report having spent campaign 171 00:10:13,600 --> 00:10:16,040 Speaker 1: money on payments in order to keep someone silent about 172 00:10:16,040 --> 00:10:18,880 Speaker 1: an issue and affect the outcome of an election is 173 00:10:18,920 --> 00:10:23,360 Speaker 1: a crime. About ninety percent Biden voters back this, while 174 00:10:23,600 --> 00:10:26,160 Speaker 1: about fifty four percent of those who voted for Trump 175 00:10:26,160 --> 00:10:30,079 Speaker 1: in twenty twenty said the same, Which is interesting. Now, 176 00:10:30,080 --> 00:10:32,840 Speaker 1: that doesn't mean they also think that this is what 177 00:10:32,920 --> 00:10:35,000 Speaker 1: Trump did, right, They're just saying they think that that 178 00:10:35,160 --> 00:10:40,800 Speaker 1: is a crime. About fifty seven percent of Republicans according 179 00:10:40,840 --> 00:10:43,800 Speaker 1: to that same or according to a Yahoo News Ugov poll, 180 00:10:43,960 --> 00:10:47,200 Speaker 1: about fifty seven percent of Republicans and Republican leaders said 181 00:10:47,240 --> 00:10:50,000 Speaker 1: they would support Trump and a head to head against 182 00:10:50,320 --> 00:10:54,320 Speaker 1: Ronda Santis, who received thirty one percent. That's an increase 183 00:10:54,360 --> 00:10:57,680 Speaker 1: in support for the president by about ten percent, but 184 00:10:58,160 --> 00:11:01,160 Speaker 1: de Santis has only gone down like eight percent, so 185 00:11:01,200 --> 00:11:03,960 Speaker 1: you can see like he Basically what's happening is that 186 00:11:04,360 --> 00:11:08,880 Speaker 1: this is causing people to flock from de Santist to him, 187 00:11:09,960 --> 00:11:12,600 Speaker 1: which is not kind of evidence that we're seeing like 188 00:11:12,679 --> 00:11:18,520 Speaker 1: a broader national sweep. Quinnipiac University, NPR, PBS News Our 189 00:11:18,600 --> 00:11:22,920 Speaker 1: Merist Pole kind of broadly supported the idea that investigations 190 00:11:23,360 --> 00:11:28,920 Speaker 1: into Trump are popular among Americans, more popular than not. 191 00:11:29,160 --> 00:11:32,840 Speaker 1: At least, about fifty six percent of Americans say the 192 00:11:32,880 --> 00:11:36,719 Speaker 1: investigations into Trump are fair, about forty one percent say 193 00:11:36,760 --> 00:11:40,880 Speaker 1: they're a witch hunt. Independence are pretty split on the issue, 194 00:11:41,440 --> 00:11:46,560 Speaker 1: but obviously like Democrats, wildly supportive Republicans very much against. 195 00:11:46,960 --> 00:11:50,240 Speaker 1: Most college educated adults come down on this being fair, 196 00:11:50,280 --> 00:11:54,200 Speaker 1: as do most Gen Z and millennial people. Adults without 197 00:11:54,280 --> 00:11:57,680 Speaker 1: a college education, white evangelicals, and those in small towns 198 00:11:57,760 --> 00:12:00,920 Speaker 1: are most likely to call it a witch hunt. An 199 00:12:01,040 --> 00:12:05,000 Speaker 1: NPRPBS News Hour Merist poll shows a plurality of Americans. 200 00:12:05,040 --> 00:12:08,680 Speaker 1: Forty six percent believe Trump has done something illegal related 201 00:12:08,720 --> 00:12:12,440 Speaker 1: to those investigations. Number. Another twenty nine percent say Trump 202 00:12:12,520 --> 00:12:15,480 Speaker 1: has done something unethical but not illegal, while only twenty 203 00:12:15,480 --> 00:12:19,439 Speaker 1: three percent say he's done nothing wrong. Overall, fifty seven 204 00:12:19,440 --> 00:12:22,600 Speaker 1: percent of Americans say that criminal charges filed against Trump 205 00:12:22,679 --> 00:12:25,679 Speaker 1: should disqualify him from a presidential bid. Thirty eight percent 206 00:12:25,760 --> 00:12:27,960 Speaker 1: say it should not. That would be an area where 207 00:12:27,960 --> 00:12:30,600 Speaker 1: I actually agree with the Republicans. I don't think that 208 00:12:30,640 --> 00:12:33,840 Speaker 1: having charges against you should disqualify you from running for president. 209 00:12:34,000 --> 00:12:36,080 Speaker 1: But man, I think if you are a fucking murderer, 210 00:12:36,120 --> 00:12:38,320 Speaker 1: you should be able to run for president. People have 211 00:12:38,360 --> 00:12:40,600 Speaker 1: the right to run for and vote for whoever the 212 00:12:40,640 --> 00:12:42,599 Speaker 1: fuck they want, and I think that that is a 213 00:12:43,040 --> 00:12:46,720 Speaker 1: strong core belief of mine. Not going to vote for Trump, 214 00:12:46,760 --> 00:12:49,000 Speaker 1: but I think the fact that he's getting charged with 215 00:12:49,040 --> 00:12:51,560 Speaker 1: a bunch of felonies should not. If he was in jail, 216 00:12:51,640 --> 00:12:53,960 Speaker 1: he should be able to run as people have in 217 00:12:54,000 --> 00:12:59,400 Speaker 1: the past. In my opinion, Yeah, Eugene Debs Trump president, 218 00:12:59,440 --> 00:13:02,959 Speaker 1: and I'm kind of more interested actually in I think 219 00:13:02,960 --> 00:13:06,040 Speaker 1: the Republican response is fairly predictable, Like all of this week, 220 00:13:06,120 --> 00:13:08,320 Speaker 1: we could have called that, you know, the moment they 221 00:13:08,360 --> 00:13:12,719 Speaker 1: said they were indicting him. The Democrats like, I'm like, 222 00:13:12,800 --> 00:13:14,240 Speaker 1: I don't think the Democrats are ever going to do 223 00:13:14,240 --> 00:13:18,079 Speaker 1: anything useful that will really change material conditions or make 224 00:13:18,160 --> 00:13:20,600 Speaker 1: things much better for working people in this country. But 225 00:13:21,360 --> 00:13:23,720 Speaker 1: the fact that it gives them the option to pivot 226 00:13:23,760 --> 00:13:27,640 Speaker 1: back to like Orange Man Bad as their only campaign, 227 00:13:27,760 --> 00:13:31,960 Speaker 1: as their only promise, as their only sort of principle, 228 00:13:32,160 --> 00:13:35,360 Speaker 1: which like they put forward as as a reason to 229 00:13:35,440 --> 00:13:38,800 Speaker 1: vote for them, is still bad. I think like it 230 00:13:38,840 --> 00:13:42,520 Speaker 1: prevents even the modicum of accountability that we have for 231 00:13:43,840 --> 00:13:46,280 Speaker 1: all the shit that the Democrats have done and all 232 00:13:46,280 --> 00:13:49,000 Speaker 1: the shit that they haven't done in the past what 233 00:13:49,200 --> 00:13:51,560 Speaker 1: like three two two and a half years since the election. 234 00:13:52,480 --> 00:13:55,440 Speaker 1: I think that's so much broader of a problem than 235 00:13:55,520 --> 00:13:59,360 Speaker 1: just dealing with this set of charges. I am. I 236 00:13:59,360 --> 00:14:02,320 Speaker 1: am sympathy to the idea if you just kind of 237 00:14:02,320 --> 00:14:06,679 Speaker 1: look at history that you can't let people do the 238 00:14:06,760 --> 00:14:11,480 Speaker 1: kind of shit Trump did and not try to fucking 239 00:14:12,160 --> 00:14:15,280 Speaker 1: go after them and not hammer the sons of bitches, right, 240 00:14:15,679 --> 00:14:17,640 Speaker 1: and this is this is not you know, they went 241 00:14:17,760 --> 00:14:20,560 Speaker 1: after after the beer Hall push, Hitler was jailed for 242 00:14:20,640 --> 00:14:23,720 Speaker 1: like a year. So it doesn't mean that like slaps 243 00:14:23,760 --> 00:14:28,800 Speaker 1: on the wrist don't necessarily have much of a protective effect. 244 00:14:29,400 --> 00:14:32,520 Speaker 1: But I don't know, like, like I am so torn 245 00:14:32,600 --> 00:14:36,480 Speaker 1: on this, and I mean, obviously it's really funny. I 246 00:14:36,520 --> 00:14:39,880 Speaker 1: think it if this is kind of the start of 247 00:14:39,920 --> 00:14:42,840 Speaker 1: a series of prosecutions that's going to make this guy's 248 00:14:43,040 --> 00:14:47,120 Speaker 1: life hell, and that might actually even force some consequences 249 00:14:47,160 --> 00:14:50,320 Speaker 1: for him. Then I think that's broadly speaking a good thing, 250 00:14:50,360 --> 00:14:53,479 Speaker 1: as long as it doesn't, like disqualify him from the presidency, 251 00:14:53,520 --> 00:14:56,640 Speaker 1: which I think would be a bad precedent. But I 252 00:14:56,680 --> 00:15:00,600 Speaker 1: don't know. I'm broadly on team yeah, man, fuck him up, 253 00:15:00,840 --> 00:15:04,920 Speaker 1: like we know this guy would have and in fact 254 00:15:05,040 --> 00:15:08,960 Speaker 1: has promised too, if he gets into power again, use 255 00:15:09,080 --> 00:15:13,280 Speaker 1: the state, use the Justice Department, remake it in his 256 00:15:13,320 --> 00:15:17,920 Speaker 1: own image, and destroy his enemies. So I'm not against 257 00:15:17,920 --> 00:15:22,320 Speaker 1: the idea that, like, well, the Dems, I tend to 258 00:15:22,360 --> 00:15:25,760 Speaker 1: agree with you on most things, James, Like I don't 259 00:15:25,760 --> 00:15:30,840 Speaker 1: believe the Democratic Party deserves to have an easy election 260 00:15:31,000 --> 00:15:35,160 Speaker 1: right now because they've failed. I mean, we were this 261 00:15:35,240 --> 00:15:37,760 Speaker 1: is the week where we're getting the announcement from Biden 262 00:15:37,800 --> 00:15:40,320 Speaker 1: that he's essentially taking kind of the soft answer to 263 00:15:41,000 --> 00:15:44,640 Speaker 1: the GOP attack on trans people participating in sporting events. 264 00:15:45,280 --> 00:15:47,640 Speaker 1: We were also about a week out from his most 265 00:15:47,680 --> 00:15:50,240 Speaker 1: recent announcement on or maybe actually it's been more like 266 00:15:50,280 --> 00:15:52,920 Speaker 1: a couple of weeks on the border shit. We just 267 00:15:52,960 --> 00:15:56,640 Speaker 1: had that horrible fire over in Warez like a week 268 00:15:56,720 --> 00:16:00,120 Speaker 1: or so ago. Like the Biden administration has let a 269 00:16:00,120 --> 00:16:02,040 Speaker 1: lot of people down in a number of ways. There's 270 00:16:02,080 --> 00:16:04,160 Speaker 1: you know, some of the drilling shit that's about to 271 00:16:04,200 --> 00:16:07,440 Speaker 1: start up again in Alaska is really unsettling to me. 272 00:16:07,480 --> 00:16:10,080 Speaker 1: So I agree with you. I don't like the idea 273 00:16:10,320 --> 00:16:12,960 Speaker 1: that they can make this be an Orange Man bad 274 00:16:12,960 --> 00:16:17,000 Speaker 1: election again. And I'm hopeful that some of what we've seen, 275 00:16:17,320 --> 00:16:20,880 Speaker 1: you know, particularly like the most recent election in Chicago, 276 00:16:21,480 --> 00:16:25,440 Speaker 1: you know, maybe maybe there's kind of at least room 277 00:16:25,480 --> 00:16:28,760 Speaker 1: at the state level for a lot more progressive to 278 00:16:28,880 --> 00:16:33,600 Speaker 1: edge out kind of centrist Dems and force some consequences 279 00:16:33,640 --> 00:16:38,040 Speaker 1: that way. But I I also am worried about, you know, this, 280 00:16:38,040 --> 00:16:42,440 Speaker 1: this authoritarian who threatened to jail and murder a bunch 281 00:16:42,480 --> 00:16:47,440 Speaker 1: of people I care about, and like I want, I 282 00:16:47,480 --> 00:16:50,040 Speaker 1: want him to spend the rest of his life tangled 283 00:16:50,080 --> 00:16:52,120 Speaker 1: up in that shit. I don't know that that's what 284 00:16:52,200 --> 00:16:54,400 Speaker 1: this is going to be. You know, maybe they'll they'll 285 00:16:54,440 --> 00:16:59,000 Speaker 1: fail miserably here, but I don't know. I do think 286 00:16:59,240 --> 00:17:01,960 Speaker 1: the kind of panic that you're getting from some people 287 00:17:01,960 --> 00:17:04,119 Speaker 1: that like this handed them the election, I'm not seeing 288 00:17:04,600 --> 00:17:07,479 Speaker 1: evidence that that's the case. I think that maybe if 289 00:17:07,480 --> 00:17:11,080 Speaker 1: this had happened in like twenty sixteen or even twenty twenty, 290 00:17:11,600 --> 00:17:14,879 Speaker 1: sure you might get something like that. But at the 291 00:17:14,960 --> 00:17:18,359 Speaker 1: point where at now, I just don't think new people 292 00:17:18,600 --> 00:17:22,800 Speaker 1: are coming to Trump in numbers. Yeah, yeah, and and 293 00:17:22,800 --> 00:17:25,679 Speaker 1: and and it very much makes sense for the liberal 294 00:17:25,720 --> 00:17:29,800 Speaker 1: state apparatus to try to defend itself from what it 295 00:17:29,880 --> 00:17:35,560 Speaker 1: sees as like an insurgent, reactionary factor, right, Like, that's 296 00:17:35,600 --> 00:17:38,040 Speaker 1: that is, that is how they view Trump and Trump's 297 00:17:38,040 --> 00:17:40,600 Speaker 1: political power, So it makes sense they will use their 298 00:17:40,640 --> 00:17:46,040 Speaker 1: own powers to try to resist that from gaining control. Again. Um, 299 00:17:46,320 --> 00:17:49,000 Speaker 1: whether or not you believe the state apparatus should exist 300 00:17:49,200 --> 00:17:52,720 Speaker 1: at all, or how how valid you view its existence, 301 00:17:53,000 --> 00:17:56,480 Speaker 1: it makes sense what they're doing. Yeah, I'm not, I'm not, 302 00:17:57,040 --> 00:17:59,520 Speaker 1: I am I mean, honestly, I am surprised they committed 303 00:17:59,560 --> 00:18:03,040 Speaker 1: to it because there is in part because this is 304 00:18:03,080 --> 00:18:06,280 Speaker 1: a tremendous risk for Bragg and the people around him. 305 00:18:06,359 --> 00:18:09,879 Speaker 1: Right if this fails, which it very well might. You know, 306 00:18:09,920 --> 00:18:13,840 Speaker 1: obviously that would have could have consequences for everybody, but 307 00:18:14,119 --> 00:18:17,159 Speaker 1: you know, it could have really serious career consequences for 308 00:18:17,200 --> 00:18:20,000 Speaker 1: this guy. And I am surprised that you've you've got 309 00:18:20,040 --> 00:18:22,919 Speaker 1: someone willing to kind of throw the dice here, and 310 00:18:22,960 --> 00:18:26,720 Speaker 1: I'm hopeful that maybe that inspires especially since this case, 311 00:18:26,760 --> 00:18:29,199 Speaker 1: by the way, since I'm sure people are curious. No 312 00:18:29,280 --> 00:18:31,680 Speaker 1: one I've looked at who knows more about the law 313 00:18:31,680 --> 00:18:34,919 Speaker 1: than me expects this to hit trial quickly. Again, Trump 314 00:18:34,960 --> 00:18:36,800 Speaker 1: has all of the money in the world, and this 315 00:18:36,920 --> 00:18:40,480 Speaker 1: is like probably going to be a pretty winding process 316 00:18:40,480 --> 00:18:43,240 Speaker 1: outside of just the normal problems of like a rich 317 00:18:43,280 --> 00:18:45,680 Speaker 1: man as being accused of a series of crimes and 318 00:18:45,760 --> 00:18:48,800 Speaker 1: has many lawyers. The Secret Service has a lot to 319 00:18:48,840 --> 00:18:51,320 Speaker 1: say and when and how the actual trial part of 320 00:18:51,320 --> 00:18:54,280 Speaker 1: this commences, and that has a chance of extending it. 321 00:18:54,320 --> 00:18:57,880 Speaker 1: So my hope is that as this kind of winds on, 322 00:18:58,520 --> 00:19:00,960 Speaker 1: maybe the fact that Bragg was willing to kind of 323 00:19:00,960 --> 00:19:03,280 Speaker 1: take a shot in the dark here, so to speak, 324 00:19:03,359 --> 00:19:07,560 Speaker 1: inspires some of these other prosecutors who have been, you know, 325 00:19:07,680 --> 00:19:11,040 Speaker 1: poking at Trump to take a swing, and maybe with 326 00:19:11,160 --> 00:19:14,800 Speaker 1: enough swings, you know, it'll be like that that guy 327 00:19:14,880 --> 00:19:17,800 Speaker 1: we had on Troy Hurdibes and his bare armor suit. 328 00:19:17,840 --> 00:19:19,640 Speaker 1: You know, you get a bunch of bikers to surround 329 00:19:19,680 --> 00:19:22,359 Speaker 1: him with two by fours and just swing until they're 330 00:19:22,359 --> 00:19:26,199 Speaker 1: all broken and he's on the ground. Um, it'll be 331 00:19:26,240 --> 00:19:28,919 Speaker 1: like it'll be like that scene from a Venger's end 332 00:19:28,960 --> 00:19:34,600 Speaker 1: Game and all of the George Soros DA's are garrison 333 00:19:34,840 --> 00:19:39,960 Speaker 1: absolutely not led by George. Sorry, I've never been angrier 334 00:19:40,040 --> 00:19:46,560 Speaker 1: at you right now than bringing up that fucking adventure scene. Um. Yeah, 335 00:19:46,600 --> 00:19:52,400 Speaker 1: So did y'all watch Trump's video response, Oh, the one 336 00:19:52,440 --> 00:19:56,840 Speaker 1: that played on all of the new stations except for MSNBC. Yeah, yeah, 337 00:19:56,880 --> 00:19:59,280 Speaker 1: we should talk. I actually did not watch it. Now. 338 00:19:59,320 --> 00:20:02,199 Speaker 1: I attempted to avoid that as well. Actually, well I 339 00:20:02,320 --> 00:20:05,160 Speaker 1: watched give Yourself to that for us Robot. I sure did, 340 00:20:05,240 --> 00:20:08,479 Speaker 1: and I have a summary of the most salient parts. 341 00:20:09,600 --> 00:20:12,680 Speaker 1: First off, I think that MSNBC made the right call. 342 00:20:12,920 --> 00:20:15,320 Speaker 1: They kind of summarized what was going on, but like 343 00:20:15,800 --> 00:20:19,919 Speaker 1: didn't just let him speak, you know, uninterrupted. For it 344 00:20:20,080 --> 00:20:23,520 Speaker 1: was like fifteen minutes, something like twenty minutes of interrupted, Robert, 345 00:20:23,560 --> 00:20:26,359 Speaker 1: would you like to be interrupted by some plugs for 346 00:20:26,400 --> 00:20:32,679 Speaker 1: goods and services? Absolutely, Betty. Donald Trump is a master 347 00:20:32,800 --> 00:20:50,600 Speaker 1: spokesman and these are master products. Get your gold. We're back. Uh. 348 00:20:51,480 --> 00:20:56,200 Speaker 1: It's been such a glorious, glorious time. Everyone's everybody's really 349 00:20:56,200 --> 00:21:02,760 Speaker 1: feeling powerful today, mighty anyway Trump, So I don't know. 350 00:21:02,800 --> 00:21:07,200 Speaker 1: I watched this fucking thing. I guess my overall sentiment 351 00:21:07,280 --> 00:21:10,439 Speaker 1: would be kind of boring, right, This is not the 352 00:21:10,600 --> 00:21:14,679 Speaker 1: level of energy or the degree of kind of like 353 00:21:15,440 --> 00:21:20,760 Speaker 1: manic violent undercurrents that like his American Carnage speech had, 354 00:21:21,720 --> 00:21:24,720 Speaker 1: or even that like some of his more recent speeches 355 00:21:24,720 --> 00:21:28,000 Speaker 1: in front of crowds have had. I don't see. There's 356 00:21:28,040 --> 00:21:30,320 Speaker 1: so many people I've watched to have takes on this 357 00:21:30,440 --> 00:21:33,119 Speaker 1: who are like and that. One of the joys of 358 00:21:33,119 --> 00:21:35,520 Speaker 1: Twitter is you'll see some guy who's I don't know, 359 00:21:35,560 --> 00:21:38,520 Speaker 1: an analyst at some newspaper be like, wow, Trump was 360 00:21:38,560 --> 00:21:41,320 Speaker 1: really low energy. He seems frightened. You know, I'm telling you, 361 00:21:41,359 --> 00:21:43,920 Speaker 1: this is a scared man. He's worried about these charges. 362 00:21:44,240 --> 00:21:46,760 Speaker 1: And then like someone else with almost the same CV 363 00:21:46,880 --> 00:21:50,120 Speaker 1: at a different place will be like, wow, Trump seems angry. 364 00:21:50,160 --> 00:21:53,040 Speaker 1: You know, he's about he's about to lash back. Everybody 365 00:21:53,119 --> 00:21:57,159 Speaker 1: better be ready for his counter strike. And honestly, I 366 00:21:57,240 --> 00:22:01,960 Speaker 1: just thought it was like kind of perfunctor. It didn't 367 00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:04,399 Speaker 1: see he certainly didn't seem low energy, but he didn't 368 00:22:04,400 --> 00:22:08,200 Speaker 1: seem like he had he didn't seem like he had 369 00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:12,639 Speaker 1: much to say other than kind of meander over some 370 00:22:12,720 --> 00:22:14,800 Speaker 1: of his some some talking points that are at this 371 00:22:14,840 --> 00:22:19,280 Speaker 1: point mostly pretty lukewarm. He kind of runs through at 372 00:22:19,280 --> 00:22:22,120 Speaker 1: the start of this a laundry list of right wing 373 00:22:22,200 --> 00:22:25,080 Speaker 1: talking points that like the Democrats spied on his campaign 374 00:22:25,080 --> 00:22:29,639 Speaker 1: in twenty sixteen, that he was subjected to fraudulent investigations 375 00:22:29,680 --> 00:22:32,240 Speaker 1: from the Russia and Ukraine stuff to the impeachments to 376 00:22:32,280 --> 00:22:35,080 Speaker 1: the raid on Mara Lago. And then he broadens it 377 00:22:35,119 --> 00:22:38,360 Speaker 1: by talking about how the FBI and the dj relentlessly 378 00:22:38,480 --> 00:22:41,679 Speaker 1: pursue Republicans. And I was kind of expecting him to 379 00:22:41,960 --> 00:22:44,439 Speaker 1: lean more into the I am your vengeance shit that 380 00:22:44,560 --> 00:22:47,919 Speaker 1: he's been doing lately. He doesn't really as much as 381 00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:50,239 Speaker 1: I had expected him to in this, Like you can, 382 00:22:50,320 --> 00:22:52,520 Speaker 1: he kind of like dips his toes into it, but 383 00:22:52,560 --> 00:22:55,160 Speaker 1: I think he's so focused on what's happening to him 384 00:22:55,200 --> 00:22:58,320 Speaker 1: that he doesn't he doesn't like push that as much 385 00:22:58,320 --> 00:23:00,719 Speaker 1: as I was kind of expecting. So this is what 386 00:23:00,760 --> 00:23:03,840 Speaker 1: comes after him like ranting about the DOJ and the 387 00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:07,600 Speaker 1: FBI relentlessly pursuing Republicans. He then kind of like goes 388 00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:10,439 Speaker 1: into the election fraud claimed stuff. Again, he gives a 389 00:23:10,480 --> 00:23:13,760 Speaker 1: bunch of lies there about the election, then about there 390 00:23:13,800 --> 00:23:16,080 Speaker 1: being like ballots stuffed and all that kind of shit. 391 00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:18,800 Speaker 1: Then he like pivots straight from that to talking about 392 00:23:18,800 --> 00:23:21,760 Speaker 1: how Twitter purportedly worked with the Biden family to hide 393 00:23:21,800 --> 00:23:27,440 Speaker 1: information about Hunter Biden. This is like debunked Twitter file shifts. Yeah, 394 00:23:27,560 --> 00:23:30,160 Speaker 1: update on Twitter files. Matt to Beebe has just left 395 00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:33,359 Speaker 1: Twitter because it will lay him post substance sub stack. 396 00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:36,680 Speaker 1: We do know obviously like they did stuff like say hey, 397 00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:40,439 Speaker 1: please remove this video that shows Hunter Biden's penis um, 398 00:23:41,040 --> 00:23:44,040 Speaker 1: but also like that's not number one is not supposed 399 00:23:44,040 --> 00:23:46,040 Speaker 1: to be stuff that's on Twitter. That's kind of like 400 00:23:46,240 --> 00:23:49,960 Speaker 1: crossing the revenge porn line. And you know, both sides 401 00:23:50,560 --> 00:23:55,280 Speaker 1: made requests that things be removed. Um. Trump claims, and 402 00:23:55,320 --> 00:23:59,480 Speaker 1: I'm not sure where he says that, there's like like 403 00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:02,240 Speaker 1: somebody calculated this, but I haven't been able to find 404 00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:06,439 Speaker 1: who made this calculation that if Twitter hadn't intervened against him, 405 00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:10,280 Speaker 1: he would have won the national election by seventeen points um. 406 00:24:10,840 --> 00:24:12,680 Speaker 1: And then he's like, and that's I didn't even need 407 00:24:12,720 --> 00:24:14,600 Speaker 1: that many. You know, you could have dropped that by 408 00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:17,280 Speaker 1: sixteen point eight and I still would have won. Um, 409 00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:22,200 Speaker 1: which is not true. Really again, it's all just lies. Um. 410 00:24:23,119 --> 00:24:26,240 Speaker 1: It goes on. He compares the United States to a 411 00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:29,480 Speaker 1: third world country because of the twenty twenty election. He 412 00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:32,840 Speaker 1: calls Alvin Bragg a Soros backed prosecutor, which he does 413 00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:37,560 Speaker 1: a lot. Um, it's not true, but Bragg, you know, 414 00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:41,760 Speaker 1: people are using Soros backed is like um, at least 415 00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:44,639 Speaker 1: a lot of the Nazis are are are really leaping 416 00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:47,720 Speaker 1: on that one. Yeah, they've gone back to Soros, Like yeah, 417 00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:51,679 Speaker 1: they did the three parentheses for a while, Like Desantist 418 00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:55,000 Speaker 1: mentioned Staris at least twice in his place. Yeah. Yeah, 419 00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:58,520 Speaker 1: it's a big, big one for them. I think it is. 420 00:24:58,560 --> 00:25:01,440 Speaker 1: It is. It is a good move on their part 421 00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:07,240 Speaker 1: to frame this prosecution as election interference like that is 422 00:25:07,359 --> 00:25:09,919 Speaker 1: that is a smart move for them to get to 423 00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:15,240 Speaker 1: funnel all of this via that narrative. Yeah, it helps 424 00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:20,439 Speaker 1: keep the election fraud lies going. It also helps because 425 00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:22,800 Speaker 1: there's been a number of like you know, Chessa boudin 426 00:25:22,840 --> 00:25:26,040 Speaker 1: Get who got booted in San Francisco recently, is one example. 427 00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:29,200 Speaker 1: But we've seen a number of like progressive prosecutors get 428 00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:33,400 Speaker 1: elected by kind of dim and you know, center left coalitions, 429 00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:37,640 Speaker 1: and that's um allows them to kind of connect this 430 00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:40,760 Speaker 1: to one of their more successful talking points, was is 431 00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:44,120 Speaker 1: the purported like horrible violence in the streets of cities 432 00:25:44,119 --> 00:25:47,000 Speaker 1: like San Francisco and whatnot, the like surgeon crime and 433 00:25:47,119 --> 00:25:50,960 Speaker 1: liberal you know cities with liberal prosecutors. Again, it's all bullshit, 434 00:25:51,040 --> 00:25:55,680 Speaker 1: but it's not a bad tactic for tying into like, well, 435 00:25:55,760 --> 00:25:59,080 Speaker 1: let's make a link between this thing Trump is claiming 436 00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:01,240 Speaker 1: that's hurting him and this thing that people see every 437 00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:03,919 Speaker 1: night on like Fox News that has been a pretty 438 00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:08,640 Speaker 1: durable talking point for the right for several years now. 439 00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:12,600 Speaker 1: Trump makes it. There's a weird line in here where 440 00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:15,040 Speaker 1: he says that like even the Rhinos and the Democrats 441 00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:18,960 Speaker 1: agree that the case against him is bad. I'm not sure. 442 00:26:19,040 --> 00:26:21,080 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, I suspect he's just kind of 443 00:26:21,119 --> 00:26:26,120 Speaker 1: like looking at at Twitter chaff there. He then kind 444 00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:28,959 Speaker 1: of derails a bit by talking about Afghanistan and all 445 00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:33,040 Speaker 1: of the military equipment and lives lost in the same breath, 446 00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:36,480 Speaker 1: and then from that he kind of one of the 447 00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:38,879 Speaker 1: things that comes up over and over in this is 448 00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:41,920 Speaker 1: him talking about how embarrassing this time is for our country, 449 00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:44,480 Speaker 1: how all of our enemies are laughing at us, etc. 450 00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:47,679 Speaker 1: Like that is a I mean, he's been making that 451 00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:51,400 Speaker 1: point for a long time, but it definitely it's It's 452 00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:53,920 Speaker 1: one of those things I think is a little bit 453 00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:57,600 Speaker 1: of a window into the man's thought process, because he 454 00:26:57,640 --> 00:27:00,560 Speaker 1: clearly thinks and perhaps I mean it must have a 455 00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:03,760 Speaker 1: degree of resonance with his base. But the idea that 456 00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:10,040 Speaker 1: like America has been embarrassed because he's facing charges and 457 00:27:10,119 --> 00:27:12,679 Speaker 1: because of you know, Biden's failures as he sees it 458 00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:16,600 Speaker 1: over in Afghanistan and elsewhere, like embarrassment is a big thing. 459 00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:19,000 Speaker 1: He tries to get across in this that like you know, 460 00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:22,119 Speaker 1: lady Lady Liberty's been caught with their fucking skirt up 461 00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:24,440 Speaker 1: or something like that. It's a I don't know, it's 462 00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:27,960 Speaker 1: interesting to me that that's such a focus for him. 463 00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:30,160 Speaker 1: There's a couple of fun lines in the part about 464 00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:32,639 Speaker 1: the military. He talks about how it's woke at the tops, 465 00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:35,159 Speaker 1: but under him, it was able to defeat Isis in 466 00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:37,879 Speaker 1: four weeks, which man, it took years, Like we know 467 00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:40,800 Speaker 1: it took years. I was there for some of it. 468 00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:43,400 Speaker 1: A large part of that was not Americans at all, 469 00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:45,280 Speaker 1: but like, no no, in a large part of it 470 00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:48,160 Speaker 1: was not Americans at all. There's a weird moment where 471 00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:51,679 Speaker 1: he talks about the investigation over his call with Selinski 472 00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:54,080 Speaker 1: and then that call where he tried to force Georgia's 473 00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:56,960 Speaker 1: secretary of State to discard votes that he's being investigated for, 474 00:27:57,359 --> 00:28:00,480 Speaker 1: where he's like, this is one of like the most 475 00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:03,119 Speaker 1: beautiful Trump moments of the whole speech, because he's like, 476 00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:05,760 Speaker 1: you know, that perfect call I had with Zelinski told 477 00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:07,640 Speaker 1: you all it was a perfect call, where my call 478 00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:10,720 Speaker 1: with Georgia's secretary of state was even more perfect. It 479 00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:13,679 Speaker 1: was it was the best call anybody's ever had. Nobody 480 00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:16,119 Speaker 1: had a problem with it. Lots of guys were listening 481 00:28:16,119 --> 00:28:18,919 Speaker 1: in and they all thought it was great. It's just 482 00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:25,359 Speaker 1: he can be such a funny man. It's not even insane. 483 00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:29,440 Speaker 1: It's just like, I don't know, nobody, nobody else talks 484 00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:33,200 Speaker 1: like that. Nobody else describes a phone call as perfect, right, 485 00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:36,080 Speaker 1: like a normal and this is maybe there's a degree 486 00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:38,360 Speaker 1: of Trump's success you can see in this, but like 487 00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:42,760 Speaker 1: no normal person being accused of, like having attempted to 488 00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:45,760 Speaker 1: interfere with an election during a phone call would describe 489 00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:48,640 Speaker 1: the call as perfect. You know, a normal politician would 490 00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:51,000 Speaker 1: refute the claims against them, would say, you know, I 491 00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:53,160 Speaker 1: never did this, I never did that. You know this 492 00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:56,720 Speaker 1: is taken out of context or whatever. Trump's just like 493 00:28:56,720 --> 00:28:59,200 Speaker 1: it was perfect, But you don't remember the last perfect 494 00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:01,080 Speaker 1: call I told you about that people thought might have 495 00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:04,160 Speaker 1: been a crime, even more perfect. This is the most 496 00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:08,680 Speaker 1: perfect phone call anyone's ever had. Yeah. Then we get 497 00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:12,120 Speaker 1: a long derailment about the Biden, like, you know, the 498 00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:15,360 Speaker 1: classified document shit that got him rated. He talks about 499 00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:19,200 Speaker 1: how Biden's possession of classified documents was like the worst 500 00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:21,720 Speaker 1: that anyone's ever done and was criminal because he was 501 00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:24,320 Speaker 1: just the vice president. But the president's allowed to do it, 502 00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:26,840 Speaker 1: but everybody does it, but the way Biden did is 503 00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:30,880 Speaker 1: the worst that anybody did it. Yeah, it's like, I 504 00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:34,760 Speaker 1: don't know, it's there's it's not like it's not an 505 00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:39,320 Speaker 1: interesting Trump speech. Um, I don't think he's like panicked 506 00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:42,080 Speaker 1: or anything. I just kind of I don't know it. 507 00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:44,240 Speaker 1: Maybe he's just sort of like checking off a thing 508 00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:46,680 Speaker 1: on the to do box. But it's not it's not 509 00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:48,840 Speaker 1: one of the it's not one for the speech books, 510 00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:50,720 Speaker 1: right or for the history books. I don't know the 511 00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:54,000 Speaker 1: speech books. That's not a thing. That's not a thing 512 00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:57,120 Speaker 1: at all. There is a really fun moment where he's 513 00:29:57,160 --> 00:30:00,000 Speaker 1: like kind of late in the speech, in between him 514 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:03,160 Speaker 1: complaining about Letitia James, he like points to his sons 515 00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:06,240 Speaker 1: and he's like, I got two great sons, sons both 516 00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:08,880 Speaker 1: doing really great. And then he's like and Baron, and 517 00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:11,680 Speaker 1: then as an afterthought, he's like, Baron's gonna do a 518 00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:18,640 Speaker 1: great job too, someday. He's tall, an amazing father. Talking 519 00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:20,480 Speaker 1: of tall, did you see that they do say they 520 00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:22,520 Speaker 1: faked a mug shot of him and made him six 521 00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:27,760 Speaker 1: foot five? Who faked the mug shot? The Trump campaign 522 00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:30,920 Speaker 1: faked a mug shot of him to sell much That 523 00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:34,240 Speaker 1: just added like several inches to his A man with 524 00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:50,640 Speaker 1: no insecurities. Ben Shapiro moments Trump a legalist arc. I'm 525 00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:53,680 Speaker 1: not saying there's nothing to be concerned about in the 526 00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:57,080 Speaker 1: right wing reaction here. It is worth kind of looking 527 00:30:57,120 --> 00:31:01,880 Speaker 1: at the response that has occurred has largely been fucking nonsense, 528 00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:05,560 Speaker 1: circus shit. Right. At most of the big rallies, particularly 529 00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:08,840 Speaker 1: in New York, that have happened as a result of this, 530 00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:11,239 Speaker 1: there've been more press on the ground than anyone on 531 00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:16,320 Speaker 1: either side of things. It's not. It's just so far 532 00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:20,400 Speaker 1: not pulling people out, you know. Do I think there's 533 00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:25,640 Speaker 1: a chance of you know, isolated terrorist attacks as you know, 534 00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:30,440 Speaker 1: by people who see themselves as defending Trump or democracy 535 00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:33,800 Speaker 1: or whatever. Certainly not a zero percent chance. But in 536 00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:37,240 Speaker 1: terms of like things that I think are likely to 537 00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:41,240 Speaker 1: have a mass to stabilizing effect, I'm not seeing it yet. 538 00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:43,640 Speaker 1: And I think a lot of that's due just to 539 00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:46,760 Speaker 1: the fact that the Trump supporters who are kind of 540 00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:50,360 Speaker 1: have the highest potential of being convinced to do that shit, 541 00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:53,840 Speaker 1: are all scared as hell, both of the FEDS and 542 00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:56,720 Speaker 1: of each other. The sheer number of them that have 543 00:31:56,840 --> 00:31:59,720 Speaker 1: like turned on each other during the J six investigations 544 00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:04,320 Speaker 1: like has it means that whenever there's talk about doing 545 00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:07,440 Speaker 1: another big series of rallies, it devolves in a lot 546 00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:11,120 Speaker 1: of these online places into like, well, you know, this 547 00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:13,560 Speaker 1: is probably being set up by the Feds. This is 548 00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:17,200 Speaker 1: probably a honeypot to trap us um, which is I 549 00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:19,560 Speaker 1: don't know. It's not a situation I would say you 550 00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:22,560 Speaker 1: should rely on lasting forever, but that does kind of 551 00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:24,680 Speaker 1: seem to be where we are right now. One other 552 00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:26,920 Speaker 1: aspect of the right wing response that I think is 553 00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:30,680 Speaker 1: worth mentioning is they have as some of some of 554 00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:36,200 Speaker 1: their like propagandists and unpolitical people have made the promise 555 00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:40,040 Speaker 1: that since since now, since that now there's been a 556 00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:45,200 Speaker 1: precedent set for indicting for former presidents. Now now they 557 00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:50,440 Speaker 1: finally are able to go after Democratic politicians whenever they want. 558 00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:54,040 Speaker 1: And yeah, I just I just am worried that they're 559 00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:58,640 Speaker 1: going to threaten us with a good time. Yeah yeah, 560 00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:03,160 Speaker 1: and it's it's also it's not just threatening us with 561 00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:05,880 Speaker 1: a good time, because we have seen in Tennessee right 562 00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:09,200 Speaker 1: now they're forcing two Democratic legislators out for their support 563 00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:16,600 Speaker 1: of gun control and like you know, typical. Yeah, I'm not, 564 00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:18,880 Speaker 1: you know, in line with most of the Democratic Party 565 00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:21,480 Speaker 1: on gun control. But what is happening here is anti 566 00:33:21,520 --> 00:33:25,560 Speaker 1: democratic bullshit like that is it is authoritarian. It is 567 00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:29,440 Speaker 1: completely fucking unacceptable, and people ought to be out in 568 00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:31,840 Speaker 1: the like a lot more out to be done, and 569 00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:34,320 Speaker 1: I think probably a lot more, Like I don't this 570 00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:37,920 Speaker 1: that's one of the thorny questions that actually does concern me, 571 00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:40,840 Speaker 1: Like what do you do in a situation like this? 572 00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:43,760 Speaker 1: What do the what kind of leverage do the FEDS 573 00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:46,760 Speaker 1: even potentially have it. Certainly doesn't look like they're in 574 00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:49,160 Speaker 1: the mood to do anything now, because I think that's 575 00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:51,560 Speaker 1: the kind of that's the kind of thing we're going 576 00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:54,160 Speaker 1: to see a lot more of in Red States in 577 00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:57,960 Speaker 1: order to that little resistance it lists and that's really concerning. 578 00:33:58,080 --> 00:34:00,360 Speaker 1: They're not going to go after someone like Obama, which 579 00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:05,840 Speaker 1: frankly somebody, somebody should for the amount of bad Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, 580 00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:07,840 Speaker 1: there should be charges against the man. There should be 581 00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:12,319 Speaker 1: charges against Bush. Uh, you know, the doves, um, there 582 00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:15,120 Speaker 1: should be some charges against Clinton. Fuck it, go after them, 583 00:34:15,160 --> 00:34:18,560 Speaker 1: all right, yeah, yeah, yeah, you dig up George H. W. 584 00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:21,239 Speaker 1: Bush put them on trial as a corpse like that 585 00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:24,560 Speaker 1: one Pope, Like, I'm on board, But no, they're they're 586 00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:27,760 Speaker 1: gonna they're gonna end up going after there's like small 587 00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:32,560 Speaker 1: like minority politicians who are like yeah, fighting for like 588 00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:36,440 Speaker 1: reasonable things, you know, and who are doing things to 589 00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:39,280 Speaker 1: actually jam up the works of kind of the march 590 00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:46,480 Speaker 1: of far right. Yeah, authoritarian laws Red States exactly. And 591 00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:50,160 Speaker 1: you know, I am sure that as that picks up pace, 592 00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:53,080 Speaker 1: they will point out what's being done to Trump as 593 00:34:53,120 --> 00:34:57,440 Speaker 1: a justification. But like people should be aware that's not 594 00:34:57,520 --> 00:35:00,279 Speaker 1: why they're doing it. They're doing it because it looks 595 00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:02,239 Speaker 1: like it's going to work for them in Tennessee. And 596 00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:04,399 Speaker 1: they did it in Tennessee for third reasons that had 597 00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:08,319 Speaker 1: nothing to do with fucking Trump. Yeah right, Yeah. If 598 00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:10,960 Speaker 1: you want to talk about like what fascism is, a 599 00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:12,839 Speaker 1: big part of it is that weaponizing of the state 600 00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:16,879 Speaker 1: apparatus right against a position against you, whatever your scapegoat group, 601 00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:19,960 Speaker 1: and like that does concern me for people living in 602 00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:24,279 Speaker 1: Red State. Absolutely absolutely. I'm not saying there's nothing to 603 00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:27,640 Speaker 1: be worried about from the right. I'm just saying, at 604 00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:29,600 Speaker 1: the moment, when I'm looking at like the way I 605 00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:31,959 Speaker 1: kind of conceive of a threat matrix, I don't see 606 00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:35,400 Speaker 1: us in a more dangerous position as a result of 607 00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:38,080 Speaker 1: Trump getting charged, And I think an argument could be 608 00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:41,520 Speaker 1: made that it's a positive move. I really hope we 609 00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:45,799 Speaker 1: get another nail gun guy. Oh man, Yeah, that fucking dude, 610 00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:48,680 Speaker 1: you tried to tried to solo the FBI with a 611 00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:52,000 Speaker 1: nail gun. Maybe a neck girl come in with like 612 00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:55,439 Speaker 1: a jigsaw or a yeah no, no, no, I think 613 00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:58,080 Speaker 1: I think ladders. I think it's it's it's time for 614 00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:01,640 Speaker 1: like a ladder mob. Um that that's that's what I'm 615 00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:06,640 Speaker 1: excited to see. Ladders and like simple pulleys. It's getting 616 00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:09,360 Speaker 1: pinned to a building someone twenty feet away with a ladder. 617 00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:15,040 Speaker 1: Make a make a tributche judge. The gauntlet has been 618 00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:18,800 Speaker 1: thrown down. Yeah, let's let's let's have a continuing series 619 00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:22,000 Speaker 1: of competitions to see who can build like the most 620 00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:24,720 Speaker 1: effective medieval siege equipment. I want to see some fucking 621 00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:27,840 Speaker 1: scorpions up on the hill, you know, Yeah, I'm gonna do. 622 00:36:28,080 --> 00:36:31,080 Speaker 1: Is it Greek fire? Turkish fire? When you put yeah, 623 00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:33,440 Speaker 1: I mean that really that's a boy. That's like the 624 00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:38,600 Speaker 1: Humms debate, James, you don't want cypress fire and we 625 00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:43,920 Speaker 1: can be fine. Um. I don't know where where you 626 00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:50,719 Speaker 1: guys get any of their thoughts on the Trump arraignment, indictment, arrest, etc. No, 627 00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:52,879 Speaker 1: it's very funny. It did enjoy seeing that guy fall 628 00:36:52,920 --> 00:36:54,520 Speaker 1: off his toll bike. That was a highlight of the 629 00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:56,520 Speaker 1: week for me. There was a good video from the 630 00:36:56,920 --> 00:36:59,840 Speaker 1: New York protest of a guy falling off a tall bike. Yeah, 631 00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:03,839 Speaker 1: out to the skateboard. Oh, I will, I will, um, 632 00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:07,520 Speaker 1: let's see I will send send a few things to 633 00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:10,799 Speaker 1: the chat. This the signal chat that I feel like 634 00:37:11,239 --> 00:37:13,839 Speaker 1: people are worth seeing. This is what I spent This 635 00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:17,200 Speaker 1: is what I spent most of my day uh doing, 636 00:37:18,080 --> 00:37:21,680 Speaker 1: um is sending people these memes. I think it's important 637 00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:24,360 Speaker 1: that that is. That is that Ruth bader Ginsburg with 638 00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:27,000 Speaker 1: a biggie crown saying, tell Donald, I want him to 639 00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:30,400 Speaker 1: know it was me, Garrison, Yes, that is Oh no, 640 00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:35,040 Speaker 1: you're joking. If I actually see Ruth bed again, I'm 641 00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:43,520 Speaker 1: for fuck's sake, Kai with a pussy hat. Oh god, 642 00:37:43,640 --> 00:37:46,759 Speaker 1: looks like brunches back on the menu. Boys. That one 643 00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:54,960 Speaker 1: I do appreciate. There was there was a good one 644 00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:59,080 Speaker 1: that was like, um uh, it was like the jailer 645 00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:02,960 Speaker 1: dropping off Trump in Epstein's cell all all of all 646 00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:05,080 Speaker 1: of all of the lights go off, and then from 647 00:38:05,120 --> 00:38:08,040 Speaker 1: the corner, a man in a dark cloak says Brandon 648 00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:17,000 Speaker 1: sends his regards. What a wonderful time for memes. Well, everybody, 649 00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:20,640 Speaker 1: when that's our that's our episode on the Trump arrest. 650 00:38:20,719 --> 00:38:24,239 Speaker 1: We figured we should we should talk about that. To 651 00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:27,359 Speaker 1: answer the question that so many people ask me, are 652 00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:29,839 Speaker 1: we closer to having a civil war? I don't know, man, 653 00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:32,200 Speaker 1: it doesn't. It doesn't feel like this this has moved 654 00:38:32,200 --> 00:38:35,240 Speaker 1: the needle on that at all. Um, the national divorce 655 00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:39,560 Speaker 1: is happening any day now. I swear like I think 656 00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:42,440 Speaker 1: the thing that's worrying right now is, you know, not 657 00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:46,160 Speaker 1: just kind of the low level series of exchanges of 658 00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:50,279 Speaker 1: terror attacks and shootings and murders and stuff and just 659 00:38:50,560 --> 00:38:53,360 Speaker 1: street violence that I I do think is going to 660 00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:55,680 Speaker 1: kind of continue to be a problem up through twenty 661 00:38:55,719 --> 00:38:58,600 Speaker 1: twenty four, but also just like what we've been talking 662 00:38:58,600 --> 00:39:02,880 Speaker 1: about in terms of states pushing for these increasingly really 663 00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:08,440 Speaker 1: violent laws aimed at doing direct physical harm to small 664 00:39:08,520 --> 00:39:11,120 Speaker 1: groups of people that they consider to be their enemies 665 00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:16,840 Speaker 1: for whatever reason of identity. That is, like the increasing 666 00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:20,320 Speaker 1: criminalization of groups of people in red states, the flight 667 00:39:20,360 --> 00:39:24,040 Speaker 1: of folks from those states, the like the fact that 668 00:39:24,120 --> 00:39:26,640 Speaker 1: you are kind of seeing the country settle into two 669 00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:29,839 Speaker 1: blocks that have wildly different legal systems that are often 670 00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:35,440 Speaker 1: opposed to each other. That's a conflict that is absolutely happening. 671 00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:37,640 Speaker 1: There's no denying that it's occurring. This is not a 672 00:39:37,680 --> 00:39:43,040 Speaker 1: debatable thing, and I don't see the FEDS having any 673 00:39:43,080 --> 00:39:47,680 Speaker 1: idea of how to fix this at the moment. We'll 674 00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:50,120 Speaker 1: see where the elections go in twenty twenty four. The 675 00:39:50,120 --> 00:39:54,480 Speaker 1: fact that Wisconsin that their Supreme Court election went well 676 00:39:54,640 --> 00:39:57,720 Speaker 1: means a lot. It means that that's one state where 677 00:39:58,600 --> 00:40:02,000 Speaker 1: the process that we're seeing happening in places like Florida 678 00:40:02,040 --> 00:40:06,640 Speaker 1: in Tennessee. Um, that is a significant amount of people 679 00:40:06,719 --> 00:40:09,480 Speaker 1: protected from that. And it also means a lot for 680 00:40:09,520 --> 00:40:13,080 Speaker 1: the twenty twenty four election. But it's we we are 681 00:40:13,160 --> 00:40:17,200 Speaker 1: in a really rough place still. Um, I'm not like 682 00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:21,719 Speaker 1: thinking we're in at the edge of seventeen seventy six 683 00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:24,799 Speaker 1: point two or whatever the fuck the right way these days. Yeah, 684 00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:27,400 Speaker 1: eighteen sixty five or whatever. Robert Evans is going to 685 00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:32,400 Speaker 1: personally be the next John Brown. Yeah, I I hopefully not. Um, 686 00:40:32,719 --> 00:40:35,600 Speaker 1: but I am. I am. I think I'd be really 687 00:40:35,640 --> 00:40:45,040 Speaker 1: good at a being a terrible farmer. Um, I'm as red. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 688 00:40:45,080 --> 00:40:47,479 Speaker 1: That picture of John Brown like leading the troops will 689 00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:50,879 Speaker 1: remain one of my favorite pieces. Yeah. And no, he's 690 00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:52,560 Speaker 1: he's got he's got a hell of a beard in 691 00:40:52,600 --> 00:40:55,800 Speaker 1: that one. Yeah. I don't know. I think the threat, 692 00:40:56,080 --> 00:41:01,120 Speaker 1: you know, continues, But broadly speaking, what's happened to Trump 693 00:41:01,160 --> 00:41:05,920 Speaker 1: is either good or neutral, but certainly funny. And that's 694 00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:07,400 Speaker 1: I think a good point to end on for the 695 00:41:07,520 --> 00:41:16,319 Speaker 1: day a great Brandon sends his regards. It could Happen 696 00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:18,719 Speaker 1: Here as a production of cool Zone Media. For more 697 00:41:18,719 --> 00:41:21,760 Speaker 1: podcasts from cool Zone Media, visit our website cool zonemedia 698 00:41:21,840 --> 00:41:24,160 Speaker 1: dot com or check us out on the iHeartRadio app, 699 00:41:24,200 --> 00:41:27,560 Speaker 1: Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to podcasts. You can 700 00:41:27,560 --> 00:41:30,239 Speaker 1: find sources for It could Happen Here, updated monthly at 701 00:41:30,280 --> 00:41:33,560 Speaker 1: cool zonemedia dot com slash sources. Thanks for listening.