Speaker 1: Man, what's handed man?
Speaker 2: You got more Shaw, Besma Lynch.
Speaker 3: Doug Hendrickson and Gavin Newsome and you're listening to politics.
Speaker 1: You know to be you known to be.
Speaker 4: So, Gavin. I saw the recent Menendez stuff with the DA.
Speaker 4: I actually just finished watching the six part series on Netflix.
Speaker 4: What's your thoughts?
Speaker 3: Well, it's interesting. I met with the team that put
Speaker 3: that series together about nine months ago and they gave
Speaker 3: me heads up. They said, watch see what happens after
Speaker 3: this series is is released, because it's going to generate
Speaker 3: a lot more conversation around whether or not these guys
Speaker 3: should be released or re sentenced. And here we are
Speaker 3: fast tracked not so many months later. But one thing
Speaker 3: is crystal clear. This is what I do for a
Speaker 3: living every week, including no bs. Literally today we go
Speaker 3: through all the pro board recommendations. I was working on
Speaker 3: pardons independent of the Menendez brothers and commutations today as well,
Speaker 3: particularly this time of year around Thanksgiving. It's not atypical
Speaker 3: for a governor to do that. And obviously the team
Speaker 3: has done a lot of research and analysis of what
Speaker 3: the DA's decision means doesn't mean obviously it has to
Speaker 3: go back to the courts or at least the DA
Speaker 3: is asking for recendency, which has to be approved by
Speaker 3: independent court. And then the question is if they approve eligibility,
Speaker 3: then it goes to the pro board and then ultimately
Speaker 3: will go to me for decision either to reject the
Speaker 3: pro board send it back what we call en banc,
Speaker 3: or to approve the recommendation.
Speaker 4: Well, Gavin, I'm not the DA, or the attorney or
Speaker 4: anybody else, But like I said, if I have daughters
Speaker 4: and a son, and I think back in those days
Speaker 4: when he talked about sexual stuff, no one thought it
Speaker 4: could happen to kids. And if that I was all true,
Speaker 4: then hey, you know what they did what they did,
Speaker 4: they had to and they've paid their they paid their
Speaker 4: price for the crime, and they should be out and
Speaker 4: the rest is history. But it's a powerful story. I
Speaker 4: remember it like it was yesterday when I watched a
Speaker 4: try when I was a kid, and you know, they've
Speaker 4: done thirty some odd years, and like I said, if
Speaker 4: the facts are true, would happen, then let them out.
Speaker 3: You know, it's interesting I think when we think about
Speaker 3: our lives, I mean, I think our parents would remember,
Speaker 3: you know, Manson as an indelible thing.
Speaker 4: But for us.
Speaker 3: I think it was OJ and the Menendez brothers, which
Speaker 3: was so much part of the narrative our lives, and
Speaker 3: there was such high profile cases. Maybe Scott Peterson would
Speaker 3: even fall into that category, but here we are. It's
Speaker 3: it's a hell of a thing. I mean, there's been
Speaker 3: so many you've probably seen half of them. I haven't,
Speaker 3: because you've been talking about the Menendez brothers for years
Speaker 3: and year as long as I've known you. Because there's
Speaker 3: been documentaries, there's been series that have been done, but
Speaker 3: no doubt what Ryan Murphy did with this series really
Speaker 3: lit things up. I think social medias lit things up.
Speaker 3: I don't know about you, but I'll tell you. I
Speaker 3: can't even tell you how many times my kids online
Speaker 3: have said, Hey, what's going on with the Menenda's brothers,
Speaker 3: and like, how the hell do you know about the
Speaker 3: Menendez brothers Because it's really lit up TikTok and Instagram
Speaker 3: and the chat rooms and as a consequence, the conversations,
Speaker 3: are you right about conversations we didn't really have when
Speaker 3: we were kids about sexual assault and conversations abound sentencing?
Speaker 3: But look, I don't none of that stuff for me matters.
Speaker 3: What matters are the facts. What matters is justice and fairness.
Speaker 3: Not treating them any worse because they're celebrities, not treating
Speaker 3: them certainly any better because they're celebrities. But the DA
Speaker 3: looked at the facts, he at least made his own
Speaker 3: assessment and feels like they should be resentenced thirty four
Speaker 3: years for murder. Now it's a double murder. You know.
Speaker 3: I've seen people twenty five years be released, not for
Speaker 3: double murders necessarily, but single murders. And this is obviously
Speaker 3: some new compelling evidence that was introduced, and so we'll
Speaker 3: see where the judge goes well.
Speaker 4: In closing, Galvin, I appreciate everyone's thought energy into this
Speaker 4: because these are never easy in regards to all levels
Speaker 4: of victims and families and things like that. So I
Speaker 4: applaud everyone's thought in this process, from the attorneys to
Speaker 4: the media to again the Ryan Murphy and and everybody
Speaker 4: looking at this saying at its best, because that should
Speaker 4: be the way it is, not only just with the
Speaker 4: Menendez but anybody who's been involved in something that needs
Speaker 4: a second look.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: No, this is one thing we do is is California
Speaker 3: is always about second looks, process and justice.
Speaker 1: But at the end of the day.
Speaker 3: To your point, it's about the families, it's about victims,
Speaker 3: and and you know to the extent that there are
Speaker 3: family members that are supporting their release, that's something you consider.
Speaker 3: And I'll tell you one thing just may not be
Speaker 3: familiar with everybody that's listening. One of the things that's
Speaker 3: perhaps the most determinative when you come up to the
Speaker 3: pro board process is what kind of prisoner have you been?
Speaker 3: Have you been focused on your rehabilitation, have you taken
Speaker 3: responsibility for your crime? And whether you're coming out more
Speaker 3: of a broken person or you're coming out as a
Speaker 3: better person, and all that is also determinative. So any
Speaker 3: assessment that we make, I imagine that the judge and the
Speaker 3: resentencing will also look very very certainly, the pro board
Speaker 3: war will is look at the imprison conduct over the
Speaker 3: course the last thirty four years. Did they invest in
Speaker 3: their own rehabilitation? Have they committed to being better people
Speaker 3: outside those prison walls? And all those things again are
Speaker 3: compounding and considered in the context of whether or not
Speaker 3: to move forward and support a recommendation. If they're approved
Speaker 3: the pro board.
Speaker 4: Well, you got a busy couple weeks, Kevin get after it. Hey, guys,
Speaker 4: we have we have our we have our incredible.
Speaker 3: Guest, Doug, why don't you introduce Miss Silverman.
Speaker 4: Well, hey, listen, Sarah. This is an honor for me
Speaker 4: because you are a rock star and for the politic
Speaker 4: and podcast listeners. Our incredible guest is a two time
Speaker 4: Emmy winning comedian, actress, writer, the host of her own
Speaker 4: Unbelievable podcast called The Sarah Silverman Podcast, currently on tour
Speaker 4: with the Post martem Tour, and she is one of
Speaker 4: the funniest people I've ever met seeing uh listen to
Speaker 4: and we want to welcome Sarah Silverman.
Speaker 5: Thank you, Sarah, Well, thank you everybody.
Speaker 3: Good morning, Sarah.
Speaker 1: How are you.
Speaker 6: I'm great.
Speaker 5: I was just listening to y'all's I want to come
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Speaker 5: Don't be a chicken that bars.
Speaker 2: I mean, I got your ad libs. So however you go,
Speaker 2: We're gonna make this ship work. It you keep fitting
Speaker 2: that ship and I'm gonna carry it.
Speaker 1: I got your ad libs.
Speaker 6: Mar Shaun. I'm such a big fan.
Speaker 5: I saw Bottoms on a plane and came home and
Speaker 5: immediately watched it again that that movie was the best
Speaker 5: movie of the year.
Speaker 6: Really, I think, like I don't.
Speaker 5: Get why it to me, it should be seen as
Speaker 5: like changing comedy, like moving comedy forward, like the way
Speaker 5: super Bad was or something like that is a teen
Speaker 5: movie that is like right on the cusp of where
Speaker 5: comedy is now.
Speaker 6: I just I thought.
Speaker 2: It was first of all, thank you and I appreciate
Speaker 2: that to the young ladies that I worked with over there,
Speaker 2: you know, I told him thank you for you know,
Speaker 2: giving me the opportunity. But we was up for two
Speaker 2: awards for for that in the endie.
Speaker 1: Fam Awards, Oh Spirit Award, Yeah.
Speaker 2: The Best the best movie, and then I was nominated
Speaker 2: for like the New Artists or New Actor Ship something
Speaker 2: like that.
Speaker 6: It was the New Actor Ship, Yeah.
Speaker 1: The New Actor Ship some high over. That ship worked.
Speaker 1: But it was cool though, But just I mean I
Speaker 1: appreciate uh yeah, I mean I appreciate the love though.
Speaker 1: That's big, Sarah.
Speaker 3: What what do you say the new comedy? I mean,
Speaker 3: are you serious that? It's like I mean, it sort
Speaker 3: of expresses itself in a different way from I mean
Speaker 3: his comedy evolving and in real or it's always evolving.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's always evolving. It has to change to survive.
Speaker 5: I mean, listen, as someone who's been around for a while,
Speaker 5: you can go if you existed.
Speaker 6: Ten, fifteen, twenty twenty.
Speaker 5: Five years ago, it's hard to not be in trouble
Speaker 5: for things, you know what I mean.
Speaker 6: If you're like a.
Speaker 5: Reverend back then you're fucked today, but you're not.
Speaker 6: You're still around. But it's I think it's important.
Speaker 5: It's a kind of microcosm of really what all people
Speaker 5: should be doing, which is growing and changing. And you
Speaker 5: learn new stuff and you're like embarrassed that you cringe
Speaker 5: at the old you and you're reborn as the new you,
Speaker 5: and you have to find ways to be funny within
Speaker 5: those parameters. But I mean, like I think, and I
Speaker 5: bet it. Maybe it's this way with sports and or
Speaker 5: politics or agentism, but like boundaries or like, yeah, like
Speaker 5: limits can help even though you fight them, because they
Speaker 5: force you to figure out something within those limits and
Speaker 5: you end up liking it better, even if it's like
Speaker 5: the worst executive note or something.
Speaker 6: You're like, this guy doesn't even fucking get it.
Speaker 5: But then you address the note in a way that
Speaker 5: you love and it's even better, like you know how
Speaker 5: limits can be.
Speaker 6: They can help sometimes, you know.
Speaker 4: But Sarah, I totally agree that The Bottoms it's funny.
Speaker 4: There's kids now that come up to me and say, Hey,
Speaker 4: is that the guy from Bottoms? And it's not. Hey
Speaker 4: is that Marshawn the famous player? It's Bottoms? And I
Speaker 4: saw it in the theater as well, and I'm like, dude,
Speaker 4: this fucking guy is really fun I've always known Morshaw's
Speaker 4: funny bean ad Asian for twenty years, but he was
Speaker 4: really funny. The movie was legitimately off the Sharks good.
Speaker 5: It's a fearless movie. And it's not just like you
Speaker 5: don't go like, oh, that's a girl's comedy or something
Speaker 5: because it's mostly girls or the leads are girls. You
Speaker 5: don't even think about that. It's just hardcore funny, yeah.
Speaker 1: For real. And they they was, they was, they was.
Speaker 1: They was great to work with.
Speaker 2: And I mean, you know they body of work after that,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, I see I keep up
Speaker 2: with them.
Speaker 6: I owe a debris.
Speaker 5: I know well, I know her for she was like
Speaker 5: a little comedian, you know, and now she's.
Speaker 2: They all good, So I was so I remember, so
Speaker 2: I played a trick on myself because I had a
Speaker 2: uh what is called a monologue?
Speaker 7: Yes you did, so I'm like.
Speaker 1: Oh ship, I ain't never did no ship like this before.
Speaker 2: So I you know, I mean, I'm going around talking
Speaker 2: to all of the casts like hey.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so how you do this ship? And they're like
Speaker 1: oh yeah.
Speaker 2: So I'm stressing, like, oh man, I don't know if
Speaker 2: I'm being able to do it. And so we get
Speaker 2: to set and the like you'd be all right if
Speaker 2: if in doubt, just do your own ship. And I
Speaker 2: was like, what you you trust me enough to do that?
Speaker 2: She like, I don't know, but we're gonna figure it
Speaker 2: out together. I'm like, oh ship. So the first one
Speaker 2: I just was doing some oh shit, I was just talking.
Speaker 2: She's like, no, that was great.
Speaker 1: Do it again.
Speaker 2: And then I was just able to recite the actual
Speaker 2: the lines and she like, oh you did it work
Speaker 2: for word type shit? She like, now can you do both?
Speaker 2: Can you just hit these key points and then just
Speaker 2: do your other shit. I'm like, all right, let's give
Speaker 2: it a try. And I think that's the one that
Speaker 2: they actually went with. So yeah, I mean that was
Speaker 2: really helpful, especially, you know, I mean because that was
Speaker 2: at the time, that was the biggest thing I have
Speaker 2: done so far, so you know, I mean it helped me,
Speaker 2: you know, I mean get comfortable in a sense where
Speaker 2: there's some shit I ain't never did before. But something
Speaker 2: that I told him that my uncle Lee used to
Speaker 2: always tell me, is come on, let's go drink some
Speaker 2: Hennison and do some shit we ain't never done before.
Speaker 2: And then we started pushing them limits. We start pushing
Speaker 2: them limits and making that box that they put us
Speaker 2: in a little bit bigger. So yeah, but to see that,
Speaker 2: you know, people you know outside of just the sports world, actually,
Speaker 2: you know, tell me I did a good job. I mean,
Speaker 2: that shit is helpful, That shit is big, So thank you.
Speaker 6: Ay ready, Yeah, I mean, your instincts are great.
Speaker 5: You know, some people's just they've got their instincts and
Speaker 5: that they you know, and a lot of times what
Speaker 5: gets people in their head about acting and it keeps
Speaker 5: is like, oh, I am not doing this right or
Speaker 5: I'm not everyone else has done this longer, but everyone
Speaker 5: has just only done it. Everyone's had their first time.
Speaker 5: And also just to not get in your own way
Speaker 5: and trust that just you.
Speaker 2: Know, fuck it, yeah, because right now I'm shooting a
Speaker 2: movie right now, and this was the first time that
Speaker 2: I had a table read, so I didn't know what
Speaker 2: the fuck do you expect? And I think I'm the
Speaker 2: only person on the on the table read, like everybody
Speaker 2: reading their lines and shit, like what's on the page
Speaker 2: and I'm just talking shit. So after the uh so,
Speaker 2: after the table read, the director come up to me.
Speaker 1: I was like, you did this for her?
Speaker 2: I'm like, hey, oh no, he like and that shit
Speaker 2: was great and all of the other cashman was like,
Speaker 2: how did you know to do that? I'm like, shit,
Speaker 2: I didn't. Y'all just made me hella nervous. All these
Speaker 2: people sitting around just looking at me. Read like read
Speaker 2: named my strong point, you know what I mean. I
Speaker 2: was a special resource kid.
Speaker 6: So I'm a slow reader too.
Speaker 5: But you know, when you're a slow reader, you're sometimes
Speaker 5: a really thorough reader.
Speaker 6: That's what I like to think because I'm a really slow,
Speaker 6: labored reader.
Speaker 1: And I like the way you put that.
Speaker 3: By the way, Sarah, and you got I heard you
Speaker 3: had some technique the last time you were reciting some lines,
Speaker 3: you had some earpiece or something.
Speaker 4: Someone was I mean, this is merchan.
Speaker 3: This said maybe a pro tip from Sarah. She had
Speaker 3: someone in her ear literally giving her the line.
Speaker 7: The next lines, it was myself.
Speaker 5: Well, I had to audition for that movie, Maestro, and
Speaker 5: it was like a nine page monologue. There's not a
Speaker 5: world where I'm going to learn that in a few
Speaker 5: days and put it on. So I just read it
Speaker 5: and read it and read it and read it and
Speaker 5: read it, and then I record it and then I
Speaker 5: put it. I got a sound guy who had an
Speaker 5: earwig put it in my ear.
Speaker 6: I put it in my ear and I recorded like this,
Speaker 6: you know, so you just saw the.
Speaker 5: Side and then I press play and I would say
Speaker 5: the lines. You know, I hear myself say the line,
Speaker 5: and then I say the line. And I'm pretty good
Speaker 5: at listening while i'm.
Speaker 6: Talking, you know.
Speaker 5: So I just did that and it looked like I
Speaker 5: learned the whole thing. And the truth is, with acting,
Speaker 5: it doesn't matter how you do it. You can I
Speaker 5: could paste my lines onto the forehead of the guy
Speaker 5: who's off camera that I'm talking to. It doesn't matter
Speaker 5: if it looks real, that's all that matters.
Speaker 4: Well, Sarah, I got to be honest I've all you've
Speaker 4: been one of the coolest people and I love your work.
Speaker 4: Going back as a kid, were you always the funny
Speaker 4: one in the house or in your friend grew up
Speaker 4: in school? Did you grow up that way as a
Speaker 4: young kid.
Speaker 6: Yeah, Yeah, that's definitely how I got by.
Speaker 5: I mean, I feel like comics one hundred percent of
Speaker 5: the time they being funny?
Speaker 6: Is there?
Speaker 5: We all as kids we learned survival skills that get
Speaker 5: us through childhood alive, and they don't always serve us
Speaker 5: in adulthood.
Speaker 6: Then we have to try to unlearn that stuff.
Speaker 5: But with comics, we just we had to become funny
Speaker 5: to survive, you know, kind of, and then it helps
Speaker 5: in our lives. But there's probably certain things to unlearn
Speaker 5: that would make us healthier. A lot of comics don't
Speaker 5: want to go to therapy or anything because they they
Speaker 5: don't want to get well because they worry it will
Speaker 5: make them not funny.
Speaker 4: Like this, Well it was funny, Gavin, unlike you and
Speaker 4: I who have four kids with three kids, and we
Speaker 4: teach our kids not to swear. Sarah's dad was infamous
Speaker 4: in saying, hey, listen, I want you to swear, and
Speaker 4: did he teach you how to swear at a young
Speaker 4: age and what to say.
Speaker 5: You know, He's just one of those like dads who
Speaker 5: thought it would be hilarious to teach his little kid swear,
Speaker 5: and then I did. He would have me yell them
Speaker 5: out like we were at the market. And then I
Speaker 5: felt the one thing I remember, you know, I was
Speaker 5: like three, but I remember feeling like all this approval
Speaker 5: from all these grown ups despite themselves, like they didn't
Speaker 5: want to, but they were laughing in it.
Speaker 6: It made my arms itch with glee.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 5: I wanted more and I could see how I kind
Speaker 5: of got addicted to like shock humor, and that's definitely
Speaker 5: what I was doing in the beginning of my career especially.
Speaker 3: And how did when did it get formalized? When did
Speaker 3: you actually get up on stage in front of strangers
Speaker 3: and start to realize you had a path.
Speaker 6: Well.
Speaker 5: I went to this high school that they had assemblies,
Speaker 5: you know, like in bottoms and on Mondays and Fridays,
Speaker 5: and every once in a while they'd let me do
Speaker 5: like two minutes of jokes, you know, and my math teacher,
Speaker 5: he encouraged me. I was able to instead of messing
Speaker 5: up interrupting the whole class. I had one joke that
Speaker 5: I could tell at the beginning of every class.
Speaker 6: And then I had to be quiet and uh.
Speaker 5: And then between my junior and senior year of high school,
Speaker 5: I went to summer school in Boston and that's the
Speaker 5: first time.
Speaker 6: I did an open mic. And then I moved to
Speaker 6: New York when I graduated, and that was that.
Speaker 3: What was it? Did you have any particular was there?
Speaker 1: What was it?
Speaker 3: I mean those math jokes, were they mean just dad
Speaker 3: jokes back then? Or were they insightful?
Speaker 6: Probably joke book jokes.
Speaker 2: Was you more like freest out, like shit, I'm gonna
Speaker 2: just get up here? Or was this something like you
Speaker 2: read it you've written out?
Speaker 5: Sometimes it was like a joke book or something, or
Speaker 5: like some from a comedy album. But when I would
Speaker 5: go up at assemblies, I would do jokes about the
Speaker 5: students and the teachers and stuff.
Speaker 2: Oh so you've been roasting, Yeah, yeah, get on the head.
Speaker 2: That's what I'd be doing to my key is too, Yeah,
Speaker 2: gavint uh and Doug. I'll be busting jokes on the
Speaker 2: mono coon like there my two white sons though two.
Speaker 3: White sons, By the way, I never had to say.
Speaker 3: I never had the guts to say, Marson, you were
Speaker 3: funny because you do that Joe Peshi thing on me
Speaker 3: man knocked my eye. Yeah, I ain't gonna touch that.
Speaker 3: Like you're great, you were great. It was good, We're good,
Speaker 3: We're good.
Speaker 1: Thank your son.
Speaker 3: So, Sarah, what I mean, So you did those early
Speaker 3: stage things, But was it did you have a career
Speaker 3: mindset then or was just more iterative, it was more
Speaker 3: getting that sort of feedback and you just you found
Speaker 3: enjoying it or did you really have that mindset going
Speaker 3: as early as his high school in college saying this.
Speaker 6: I wanted to be comedian for sure. I wanted to
Speaker 6: be comedian.
Speaker 1: Was there who.
Speaker 3: Are the mentors then? Who were the who were there
Speaker 3: people you aspired to be at the time.
Speaker 5: Well, I loved Steve Martin of course, yeah, he's my favorite.
Speaker 5: But like my mom had like the Woody Allen double
Speaker 5: album and Albert Brooks.
Speaker 6: I loved Albert Brooks and uh, you know all that stuff.
Speaker 6: I don't know. I just loved comedy.
Speaker 4: But Sarah storting So it's like unlike unlike sports, where
Speaker 4: you're gonna go and you're gonna get drafted or you're
Speaker 4: gonna go to school to be a doctor or whatever
Speaker 4: it may be, so your career. So you're literally out
Speaker 4: of high school and you're like, you know what, I'm
Speaker 4: gonna go to the comedy club circuits and we're going
Speaker 4: to go to go to the small clubs and do
Speaker 4: your act. And is that kind of how it really starts,
Speaker 4: because there's no like script to say, hey, go do
Speaker 4: this and you get a book here, So you just
Speaker 4: would go into the city and go do these shows
Speaker 4: and it kind of continued and you did well and
Speaker 4: it kept going.
Speaker 6: Basically, Yeah. I mean I grew up in New Hampshire and.
Speaker 5: Then I got into NYU and I had a partial
Speaker 5: scholarship and I was a drama major and I did
Speaker 5: that for a year and then I was like, I
Speaker 5: was working at a comedy club passing out flyers on
Speaker 5: the corner of McDougal and Third, and I was working
Speaker 5: ten hours a day and then like sleeping through my classes,
Speaker 5: and I felt so guilty, you know, like trying to
Speaker 5: pinch myself awake. So my dad said, listen, if you draw,
Speaker 5: he said, if you drop out of college, because he
Speaker 5: was paying the rest I got, you know, fifteen hundred
Speaker 5: dollars a semester, and it's like twenty thousand dollars a
Speaker 5: semester back then.
Speaker 6: Now it's of course, so much more elitist college.
Speaker 5: So my dad goes, if you drop out, I'll pay
Speaker 5: your next three years of rent, like as if it's
Speaker 5: your sophomore, junior, senior year.
Speaker 6: Then you're on your own.
Speaker 5: And I said, okay, because I just I don't know.
Speaker 5: Going to college for drama it's not I'm not saying
Speaker 5: it's a waste of money, but I mean I could
Speaker 5: just take like an acting class or something.
Speaker 6: I don't know. I wanted to just get regular.
Speaker 5: I stole classes after that because all my friends went
Speaker 5: to NYU, So I just went to classes.
Speaker 6: They're big lecture classes. They don't no one notices.
Speaker 1: I love it.
Speaker 3: When did your comedy start? I mean of you know,
Speaker 3: taking on just the personalities to those in the room.
Speaker 3: You may talk about your teachers, may talk about other students.
Speaker 3: When did you start touching on social issues? When did
Speaker 3: you start? I mean, I know a lot of activism
Speaker 3: in your family, a lot of social awareness that that's
Speaker 3: been part of your childhood and your upbringing, but when
Speaker 3: did that start to take shape in terms of the comedy.
Speaker 6: I don't know.
Speaker 5: I think because when I first started, I was really
Speaker 5: doing a character and saying really like the opposite of
Speaker 5: how I felt about things, and that was how I
Speaker 5: was able to talk about stuff.
Speaker 6: And then I got.
Speaker 5: More sincere or more just being the same person as
Speaker 5: I am on stage.
Speaker 6: But I don't know.
Speaker 5: I guess as things came up and I'm like reading
Speaker 5: the news and seeing what's going on and you know,
Speaker 5: so much bullshit. I think I was so blown awake
Speaker 5: because I was so young when I started that I
Speaker 5: saw all these people in politics or whatever, and they
Speaker 5: were grown ups. I couldn't believe the behavior. You know,
Speaker 5: I was used to grown ups. I just assumed they
Speaker 5: like knew better and stuff and they and then seeing
Speaker 5: the world around me or even like I worked at
Speaker 5: SNL at I was twenty two, and I'm like, these
Speaker 5: grown ups are crazy, like it just I just it
Speaker 5: was so surprising to me, sir who.
Speaker 4: Was on SNL then, because I mean, talk take me
Speaker 4: through some of the castmates then when.
Speaker 5: You're there, Adam Sandler, Chris Farley, Phil Hartman, Spade, Julia Sweeney,
Speaker 5: Ellen Claihorn, Mike Myers.
Speaker 4: Oh this was this was the All Star year. That was?
Speaker 4: That was I mean, you guys were I mean that
Speaker 4: must have been fun. It was how fun it was?
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Oh shit, yeah, he hella funny.
Speaker 7: Too, Yeah it was.
Speaker 6: It was crazy. Yeah, you know, it was a different time.
Speaker 2: It was like.
Speaker 5: There weren't other there were like at the time I
Speaker 5: was there, there weren't any women writers anymore.
Speaker 6: And it was before like an.
Speaker 5: Amazing change in in like the boys club that it
Speaker 5: was or whatever. I liked everyone. I had a really
Speaker 5: good time. But like you know, it was like the
Speaker 5: women's room on the seventeenth floor where we wrote was locked.
Speaker 6: You needed a key. The guys didn't need a key.
Speaker 6: We needed a key why to keep the guys from
Speaker 6: assaulting us? You know what I mean?
Speaker 5: Like it was crazy different times, but it was great too,
Speaker 5: you know.
Speaker 6: I mean, it's just like we lived through different times.
Speaker 5: There's going to be stuff about right now that will
Speaker 5: look back on them and be like can you believe?
Speaker 4: But as a young comedian that had to be like
Speaker 4: the Shangra law, like I want to be insured in
Speaker 4: that live and then you make it. You're like, oh
Speaker 4: my holy shit, I'm I fucking here.
Speaker 7: I made SNL yeah crazy.
Speaker 5: And then I was there for one year and then
Speaker 5: I got fired, and then and I go, am I
Speaker 5: in show business anymore?
Speaker 6: Is this it? But I just go back to square one?
Speaker 6: Did stand up again and back better?
Speaker 3: You've talked about that was? That was? That was a
Speaker 3: pretty raw experience, right, I mean getting I mean you're
Speaker 3: doing writing, you're doing the work there. But one year,
Speaker 3: I mean obviously came to a halt. I mean it
Speaker 3: would take some time to recover from that.
Speaker 5: I mean they changed over, like the whole cast and
Speaker 5: a lot of people changed. But I mean, yeah, I
Speaker 5: was shocked because it it never occurs to me that
Speaker 5: I would be fired. And then I got fired a
Speaker 5: bunch of times after that from jobs. So then I
Speaker 5: got Then I felt like any job I got, I
Speaker 5: wanted to make sure before I left to go to
Speaker 5: the set that I was still hired. But it's good,
Speaker 5: that's good experience. Like I've been punched in the face
Speaker 5: three times. I feel like you can really tell people
Speaker 5: that have never been punched in the face.
Speaker 1: Amen. Amen?
Speaker 3: So SNL is one of them? Whatever the other two?
Speaker 5: Oh no, I mean just literally, yeah, who punched you
Speaker 5: in the face?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 5: When I was passing out flyers on the corner McDougal,
Speaker 5: and third, I was trying to break up a fight
Speaker 5: between this like drunk gaggle of guys and the pluck
Speaker 5: you chicken who was also passing out flyers on the corner,
Speaker 5: and I got in the middle. I was like, hey,
Speaker 5: hands off, not out of bravery, I just is sexism,
Speaker 5: Like I didn't think they would hit a woman, but
Speaker 5: boy right in my temple knocked me unconscious.
Speaker 8: And uh like the industry, like, no, my dad and
Speaker 8: I have both been punched in the base three times.
Speaker 5: But I do feel like there is something about knowing
Speaker 5: you can take a punch and persevereering.
Speaker 1: Did you get your hands up? Then when I.
Speaker 6: Didn't guard my I didn't have any time to guard
Speaker 6: my grill.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you gotta keep protecting.
Speaker 2: That's crazy because we were just talking about it, like, uh,
Speaker 2: you know, individual when like when they sated, a lot
Speaker 2: of people come and leave with their hands, then I
Speaker 2: feel like a karate master because then I'm like.
Speaker 1: Wax on, wax off, usual words. What's up? How you doing?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, man, I'm a huge fan.
Speaker 2: Like, okay, thank you. You can tell me that you
Speaker 2: ain't got come beating on me and ship. Oh cool
Speaker 2: you were you were a big fan after they hit me. Okay,
Speaker 2: you're a big fan. I'll punched their ass back.
Speaker 4: Is Sarah. One of the funniest things you ever did.
Speaker 4: Is I still remember, like yesterday the video you did
Speaker 4: h when you're dating Jimmy Kimmel and you said, hey, Jimmy,
Speaker 4: I fucked Matt Damon and the video and he did
Speaker 4: the whole video that was That must been the funniest
Speaker 4: thing I've ever seen in my life.
Speaker 6: I just watched that video again and it really holds up.
Speaker 4: How to make that video?
Speaker 6: Three hours?
Speaker 4: Three hours? Well?
Speaker 5: The night Okay, So first of all, I had never
Speaker 5: like lied to you know, I don't lie, but I
Speaker 5: had to lie to him and say I was because
Speaker 5: I was on the road and I said I was wherever.
Speaker 6: But I was in Miami.
Speaker 5: That's where Matt was living with his family, and I
Speaker 5: was on tour, so I went through there.
Speaker 6: That's where we crossed paths.
Speaker 5: The night before I wrote the song with a cousin,
Speaker 5: sal and Tony Barbieri. We wrote the song, we recorded it,
Speaker 5: and then the next day we had three hours with
Speaker 5: Matt to shoot and we had a whole hotel and
Speaker 5: he learned it real quick and laid down his part
Speaker 5: of the song, you know, and then we just were
Speaker 5: lip syncing it and doing it in different parts of
Speaker 5: the hotel. We had dancers at one point. I mean,
Speaker 5: it came out so well, but it was quick. And
Speaker 5: the reason why he only had three hours was so
Speaker 5: sweet is because he at noon he had to go
Speaker 5: to his daughter's like Halloween pageant.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 5: But we got everything and it was a surprise. It
Speaker 5: was for his like a surprise birthday or something for.
Speaker 4: Jim if you haven't seen them more Sean, she was
Speaker 4: a surprise Jimmy with This was something he didn't know.
Speaker 4: And so she's actually on the show getting interviewed and
Speaker 4: she's like, I got something I have to tell you, Jimmy,
Speaker 4: but it's really hard and he's like, well, you can
Speaker 4: tell me anything, babe, like whatever. He's like, no, I
Speaker 4: don't know if I could do it. It's it's really hard
Speaker 4: and you got everybody here. Maybe we can wait till later.
Speaker 4: And he's like, no, no, just just tell me. And
Speaker 4: and so then she hilariously like plays the video rolls
Speaker 4: the tape on the tape in the table, you know,
Speaker 4: it's a video, and she's like, I fucked mad David
Speaker 4: and he's like, yeah, I fucked her, and it was
Speaker 4: just on and on. It's like the greatest video. I
Speaker 4: think it was download one hundred and fifty million times
Speaker 4: something like that.
Speaker 6: So it was like one of the.
Speaker 5: First you know, it was like the beginning of all
Speaker 5: that stuff. So it was like a viral video. And
Speaker 5: then it's so funny because after that people want to
Speaker 5: hire me and be like, we want you to make
Speaker 5: a viral video and I'm like, I don't decide that
Speaker 5: it's viral, and everybody wants to make a viral videos.
Speaker 6: I don't know how to do that.
Speaker 1: We just they got cameo.
Speaker 7: Yes.
Speaker 2: It was like, yeah, that was funny because I'm over
Speaker 2: here like hold on, so you you fuck mc damon.
Speaker 1: And then just those boys.
Speaker 6: In the video, well it was just pretend.
Speaker 1: Damn. The level of savagery. Savage.
Speaker 6: He loved it.
Speaker 5: Well, we were brushing our teeth before the show, and
Speaker 5: because it was the whole show was surprises for him,
Speaker 5: you know, he wanted it to he didn't want to
Speaker 5: know what was happening. And he goes, oh, I heard
Speaker 5: this video is great, and I was like, well, I
Speaker 5: don't know.
Speaker 6: I mean, keep your expectations. It's just a video. You
Speaker 6: know that it came out good, by the.
Speaker 3: Way, speaking to come out good, you guys. You guys
Speaker 3: have come out well after a relationship. Now you guys
Speaker 3: are still close.
Speaker 5: And my boyfriend writes on his show, which is.
Speaker 3: Crazy your current boyfriend, right, yeah.
Speaker 1: Show more.
Speaker 6: Yeah, he's like a writer producer on the show.
Speaker 5: I know, And but I didn't meet him from ready
Speaker 5: we were dating, and then they called him and said,
Speaker 5: you know, will you comment savagery?
Speaker 1: And that is well, now you just got savage ridden
Speaker 1: all over you.
Speaker 2: You could take a punch, tell your boyfriend straight up,
Speaker 2: I'm fucking on cuz, and then sit, I'm fire my.
Speaker 1: Other I'm fucking him.
Speaker 5: I know he would to die or him, but I mean,
Speaker 5: it's funny because I remember Jimmy when we were together.
Speaker 5: It always bothered him that I was very good friends
Speaker 5: with my ex boyfriends. He's like, if we ever broke up,
Speaker 5: I wouldn't be friends with you. And I like to
Speaker 5: remind him of that now because we're, as he describes it,
Speaker 5: we're like brothers.
Speaker 1: Brothers. I love it.
Speaker 3: Hey speaking, we were talking earlier about just that some
Speaker 3: of the comedy are not even the comedy, but some
Speaker 3: of the things that we excuse is normal or we've
Speaker 3: normalized in society. We'll look back and go, what the
Speaker 3: hell are we thinking? And you even reflected just in
Speaker 3: comedic terms, you know, pushing those boundaries and sort of
Speaker 3: reflecting back. But I mean, you've been pretty fierce champion.
Speaker 3: And I think this is some many of a mutual friends,
Speaker 3: Bill Maher and others, and I think that's how we
Speaker 3: first met. Yeah, just free speech, this notion of free
Speaker 3: speech and pushing out the boundaries and going, you know,
Speaker 3: we've kind of had these iterations of cancel culture. I
Speaker 3: feel like we're coming out of another iteration over the
Speaker 3: course the last number of years, the last year or so,
Speaker 3: I feel like people are sort of pulling away. Where
Speaker 3: do you think we are in that, you know, in
Speaker 3: that journey as it relates to comedy, free speech, as
Speaker 3: it relates to cancel culture, just your own reflections over
Speaker 3: these many many years of doing this craft.
Speaker 5: I mean, I think with enough growth, emotional growth, we
Speaker 5: can get back to or to a new version of
Speaker 5: irreverence in comedy. You mean in terms of comedy of
Speaker 5: like real irreverence in comedy that will be more honest
Speaker 5: than the original reverence in comedy where it's like, you know,
Speaker 5: as a white person who grew up in New Hampshire
Speaker 5: and is so liberal and all these things. I was
Speaker 5: still so ignorant until the internet really where you go.
Speaker 5: Like I remember at one point going like, oh my gosh,
Speaker 5: there's like a real epidemic of you know, unarmed black
Speaker 5: teenagers getting killed. And then I realized like, oh no,
Speaker 5: this is this is how it is.
Speaker 6: This is how it's always been.
Speaker 1: It's always been now its just been.
Speaker 5: Doing that like edgy comedy that I was doing in
Speaker 5: that ignorance.
Speaker 6: You know, I'm so liberal, and.
Speaker 5: I can say because I don't mean it, it's it's bullshit.
Speaker 5: So but I would love to get to a point
Speaker 5: where we where there is real equality. I mean, will
Speaker 5: we ever get to like a post racist society? I
Speaker 5: hope so before we're before we are you know, completely dead,
Speaker 5: you know, from the climate or whatever. I hope so.
Speaker 5: And and only in like a real point like that,
Speaker 5: can we be super reverent in all ways that this
Speaker 5: is the thing you can get away with anything. But
Speaker 5: what is in your heart has to transcend that you go, oh,
Speaker 5: he can say that, because you know it's like.
Speaker 6: Somebody called into.
Speaker 5: My podcast and said, oh, I was listening to this
Speaker 5: comic I love, and he said this anti Semitic thing
Speaker 5: and it just broke.
Speaker 6: My heart and blah blah blah.
Speaker 5: Well, I happen to know the comic and the bit
Speaker 5: she was talking about, and it's hilarious and it's not
Speaker 5: offensive to me.
Speaker 6: It's obviously subjective because.
Speaker 5: I know that he is an ally or what you know,
Speaker 5: Like I know that he's not anti Semitic, like he's
Speaker 5: he's it's pure love and the story's brilliant and funny,
Speaker 5: and there's a character in it that you know, so
Speaker 5: you know, people can go like, I'm offended. Oh I
Speaker 5: get to be offended at that or that or that.
Speaker 5: There's a difference between that and something that.
Speaker 6: Really cuts you. And we have those dog.
Speaker 5: Senses or humans, you know, just that innate sense of
Speaker 5: like you know where it's coming from, if it is
Speaker 5: if it's ugly, or.
Speaker 6: If it's with love. That's the total.
Speaker 5: That's why when you see a transcript of something a
Speaker 5: comedian said, who's like getting into trouble. It's not fair
Speaker 5: because it's how they're saying it and who's who it's
Speaker 5: coming from. There's a difference, right, I mean, you just
Speaker 5: know there's a difference. There are certain people in your
Speaker 5: life that can say things and get away with it,
Speaker 5: and other people that cannot.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: No, I mean back in our day, I mean Richard
Speaker 4: Pryor and these guys. I mean the stuff they were
Speaker 4: saying where is often unbelievable.
Speaker 5: I mean that bit on Saturday right Live with Chevy
Speaker 5: Chase unbelievable.
Speaker 4: And then yeah, at Gavin's point, you went through a
Speaker 4: phase where you can say this stuf anymore. But now
Speaker 4: I think it's coming back. And I know Vince Vaughan said, along,
Speaker 4: didn't you have a long talk about that too, Like
Speaker 4: Hollywood's got to bring this back. People got to come
Speaker 4: back to what it was, which hopefully does.
Speaker 5: But what it was was incredibly white and incredible, you know.
Speaker 5: I mean, if you look at a movie from just
Speaker 5: ten years ago, it's shocking how white.
Speaker 6: You know, but that's how But that's it's great to.
Speaker 5: Be able to look back on that and go Jesus
Speaker 5: instead of like, hey, Joe, but we can still enjoy
Speaker 5: things about it, like you can still watch Friends and go, oh,
Speaker 5: this is funny.
Speaker 6: That's great.
Speaker 5: I love that show, even though it's like the joke
Speaker 5: there's so many homophobic jokes and it's incredibly white. But
Speaker 5: I don't I don't think you get you need to
Speaker 5: like throw the baby out with the bathwater.
Speaker 6: But now we see it.
Speaker 5: That's what makes it art is that you can watch
Speaker 5: the same thing that you watch twenty years ago, and
Speaker 5: when you watch it today you're seeing something completely different,
Speaker 5: but you can still appreciate it for what it is.
Speaker 6: Is in the time.
Speaker 5: It's from God, I'm so funny today on this podcast.
Speaker 3: No oh no, but it's But it's an important topic
Speaker 3: because I mean, obviously it's shaped so much of our
Speaker 3: politics and our life as it relates to I mean,
Speaker 3: and I don't want to get into the whole sort
Speaker 3: of woke world, but but but this noob.
Speaker 6: The woke mob there is.
Speaker 5: I will say, did you watch Peaky Blinders anybody?
Speaker 1: Nope? Nope.
Speaker 5: I think we have to watch it with subtitles because
Speaker 5: it's so hard to understand them. But anyway, it's like historical,
Speaker 5: it doesn't matter. But point being, there was like one
Speaker 5: point where the guy the star of it is talking
Speaker 5: about how the basically the far right and the far
Speaker 5: left are eventually just going to meet, you know, like
Speaker 5: the ven diagram of it, and I feel like, boy,
Speaker 5: I'm seeing that.
Speaker 7: I agree with you wild.
Speaker 5: You know, I don't want to get into it. But
Speaker 5: if you're a liberal Jew right now, it's fucking weird.
Speaker 5: It's just weird.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Oh well, And I appreciate not wanting to get into
Speaker 3: that right now.
Speaker 6: No, no desire.
Speaker 5: But I do have a friend who's a comic, Sam Morrel,
Speaker 5: who said the greatest thing and this is all I
Speaker 5: want to say about it Israel. But it's just like
Speaker 5: all you do is when someone brings it up, you
Speaker 5: just go awful awful.
Speaker 7: Then you get a lot of people nodding their head,
Speaker 7: everybody at all.
Speaker 6: It's fucking up.
Speaker 4: Hey, Sarah, take me through your history of of I
Speaker 4: know you've battled. It's been an open book on depression
Speaker 4: and whatnot. So has it been how has that struggle
Speaker 4: band growing up? I mean, you've had it? And are
Speaker 4: you Are you in like introverted depression person? Are you
Speaker 4: someone that's kind of battles through life and gets through
Speaker 4: it or because you've been You've it's been a chronicle,
Speaker 4: well chronicled, you know, open book of view, take me
Speaker 4: through that journey and where you're at now with that
Speaker 4: part of it.
Speaker 6: You know, it's just a constant thing.
Speaker 5: But you know, when I was like twelve or thirteen,
Speaker 5: you know, I was really outgoing, you know, friends, and
Speaker 5: then all of a sudden, like just all in one second,
Speaker 5: the whole world looked different, you know, like it was
Speaker 5: I guess chemical depression, clinical depression.
Speaker 6: And it's like like if you in both.
Speaker 5: Amazing and very scary depression, anyways, if you change your
Speaker 5: perspective just one degree, the whole world looks different.
Speaker 6: That's what it was like.
Speaker 5: I was like, all of a sudden, I couldn't I
Speaker 5: didn't want to hang out with my friends. I didn't
Speaker 5: want to be social. I didn't want to be around others.
Speaker 5: I just wanted to be in my bed watching TV
Speaker 5: or you know, like I just everything scared me. It
Speaker 5: was like I didn't recognize myself because I didn't recognize
Speaker 5: the world. Everything looked difference suddenly, and I didn't understand it.
Speaker 5: I mean, my stepdad, I remember, asked me like he
Speaker 5: was the only one who said like, what does this
Speaker 5: feel like?
Speaker 6: You know?
Speaker 5: And I really thought about it, and this is exactly
Speaker 5: what it felt like.
Speaker 6: I felt like.
Speaker 5: I was so homesick, but I was home, so there
Speaker 5: wasn't anything to do to satiate it, you know, But
Speaker 5: that's what it just.
Speaker 6: Chemically what it felt like.
Speaker 5: And then you know, I was put on tons of
Speaker 5: drugs and it was New Hampshire in the eighties.
Speaker 6: I mean, I think they just it was crazy.
Speaker 5: Like at one point I was on four xanax, four
Speaker 5: times a day.
Speaker 6: I was thirteen. She's like, whoever that doctor should be
Speaker 6: in jail. I just felt nothing.
Speaker 5: I was like, but I remember thinking like, this can't
Speaker 5: be right. And then another doctor got me off slowly,
Speaker 5: and then I was over it, like I felt better.
Speaker 5: And then when I was at SNL, it happened again
Speaker 5: and I recognized the feeling right away. And then I
Speaker 5: was like, and I wanted to like quit Satay Night
Speaker 5: Live and move back to New Hampshire, which of course
Speaker 5: I didn't want, but like, that's what your brain does.
Speaker 5: And a friend another comic like got me a therapist,
Speaker 5: found me a therapist that I read a book about
Speaker 5: panic attacks that actually was really helpful because I learned
Speaker 5: that the thing about panic attacks is once you have won,
Speaker 5: all the subsequent ones come from the fear of having
Speaker 5: that again, you know, And that just helped mentally to know.
Speaker 5: It's like when you're a woman and you suddenly like everything,
Speaker 5: you just feel total despair, and then you realize that
Speaker 5: you're you have PMS and you're like, oh, that's what
Speaker 5: that is, and then you're okay. You know, It's just
Speaker 5: like knowing a lot of it is just knowing stuff
Speaker 5: like your mind, body experience that shit is truly connected.
Speaker 6: Otherwise, how do you explain nervous diarrhea?
Speaker 4: There you go, Mike, there you go.
Speaker 5: Drop like drop, Let's talk about weed, weed.
Speaker 6: And the legalization.
Speaker 4: What you like that, Marshaan, Well, yes, Marshawn can talk
Speaker 4: about weed all day long. In fact, we uh we
Speaker 4: just made our Gavin made Woody Harrelson happy the other
Speaker 4: day by putting some uh.
Speaker 6: I listened to the whole thing. I heard him very excited.
Speaker 5: Because you want to be able to stay out and
Speaker 5: eat and not if you're high. That's it should be
Speaker 5: as late as bars, bars are open till a million.
Speaker 6: Well maybe not in La I guess.
Speaker 4: Oh, there's more Seawn's product right there, Sarah.
Speaker 7: Doty look Jesus.
Speaker 6: Yeah, what is that just flower?
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a flower. We're right here. We got lemon
Speaker 1: quaite and we got some patnd three point five.
Speaker 5: What I'm talking about is that part like supposed to
Speaker 5: sound like Tennessee and Patron.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a little conclusion that we like to drink.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean we decided to name a strand after.
Speaker 5: You can you make a strain that's like, you know
Speaker 5: what I love when they roll it in Keith?
Speaker 6: Oh you know that powder?
Speaker 3: What the hell is any of this is.
Speaker 6: Pot but it's like the crystallized powder. Get your ass phenomenal.
Speaker 6: He's just a little puff.
Speaker 5: I mean, that's the only thing is weed is so
Speaker 5: strong now that you only need a puff. But like
Speaker 5: it's so communal to keep puffing.
Speaker 4: Well, don't smark with Morshaan and Sarah cause his puffs right,
Speaker 4: his puff will take that xanax like ten times over.
Speaker 5: I smoked with Snoop on it before we shot a
Speaker 5: scene for a movie. And I am not somebody who
Speaker 5: can like work and be high.
Speaker 6: And he is. He had he had nailed his lines.
Speaker 6: He improvised.
Speaker 5: He's so loose, but we'd I see it really help
Speaker 5: comedians they go on stage, they're high.
Speaker 6: The murder there.
Speaker 5: I that brings my two favorite things together, weed and
Speaker 5: stand up and makes it a nightmare for me.
Speaker 6: It has to. That's the prize when I get off stags.
Speaker 1: Oh so you reward or so?
Speaker 6: Yes, it's a treat.
Speaker 5: It's an everyday treat. As a matter of fact. When
Speaker 5: I'm done.
Speaker 6: Here, I am to play.
Speaker 5: I am to smoke weed and play call of duty
Speaker 5: and get on.
Speaker 2: Some far up, far up a jay. Are you more
Speaker 2: like the papers or you a bone?
Speaker 5: I like smoking joints, but I lately have been eating edibles.
Speaker 6: My son, my voice is my instrument.
Speaker 1: I understand you.
Speaker 6: But I probably will smoke a little bit, smoke a.
Speaker 2: Little bit, play a little bit, enjoy a lot. Sound
Speaker 2: like it sound like a pretty productive day.
Speaker 5: I it's that's my son. That's the perfect sunday.
Speaker 4: Like I told Witty, I've spent some great sundays at
Speaker 4: the it works.
Speaker 5: But we can we talk about weed in terms of
Speaker 5: like a radical transfer of power that you could do
Speaker 5: with regulations of some kind. I mean, I'm it seems
Speaker 5: easy because I'm just saying it, but I'm sure it's different, difficult.
Speaker 5: But with all the people that have served time, I
Speaker 5: just I get enraged when I think about John Baynor,
Speaker 5: who put laws in place that put people in jail
Speaker 5: for weed crimes nine out of ten or exponentially more
Speaker 5: people of brown and black color.
Speaker 6: Nobody brown browns.
Speaker 5: And they they should be not only out of jail,
Speaker 5: but given the opportunities of their main business that they
Speaker 5: were there for. John Baynor, now after getting having all
Speaker 5: these people go to jail, is the lobbyist for weed
Speaker 5: in Ohio and makes millions.
Speaker 6: Why is he making money? Also, I feel like all
Speaker 6: the red tape put.
Speaker 5: Around weed all these years, while it's semi legal, in
Speaker 5: all this stuff, I feel like it's holding a place
Speaker 5: for the big liquor companies and the big tobacco companies
Speaker 5: to have a stronghold over that industry when it's not
Speaker 5: their industry.
Speaker 3: All right, let me unpack this. So a number of things.
Speaker 3: When we were doing legalization in California and we were
Speaker 3: in the process, I mean, there was a couple iterations
Speaker 3: for legalization in California and Bayner was public enemy number one.
Speaker 3: He was actively opposing efforts across the country. So the
Speaker 3: hypocrisy is next level. And it wasn't just Bayner, it
Speaker 3: was guys like him in those positions of power and influence.
Speaker 3: But the whole movement, as you know, sort of originated
Speaker 3: with this social justice racial justice framework, certainly in California,
Speaker 3: and that's how it was ultimately presented to the voters.
Speaker 3: And the great thing in California, largest state obviously is
Speaker 3: larger than twenty one state populations combined, is that there
Speaker 3: was an expungement process your point, for people that had
Speaker 3: been convicted of nonviolent possession of marijuana. And so we
Speaker 3: had a process. We do a bunch of fairs, and
Speaker 3: we do events around getting people and cleaning up their records,
Speaker 3: getting people and having them get their records expunged. But
Speaker 3: it's still it's still a huge issue across other parts
Speaker 3: of the country that are not as as enlightened on
Speaker 3: the topic. But the point you just made, and I'll
Speaker 3: end on this on the regulatory side is each state
Speaker 3: has come up with their own regulatory framework and your
Speaker 3: one hundred percent right, it's holding back the ultimate success
Speaker 3: of these work. It well well stay well said, well said.
Speaker 3: So it's in needs we're going to see the national
Speaker 3: we need to see national leadership. Even you know, I
Speaker 3: think you're you're seeing it with the current occupant of
Speaker 3: the White House. Even the guy wants to get back
Speaker 3: to the White House is saying better things on the topic.
Speaker 3: So I feel like we're turning the page on this
Speaker 3: topic and we can get to larger issues of war
Speaker 3: on drugs and crack cocaine disparities that have also hated
Speaker 3: our past, and all the other issues.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but let's not teach that in school because we
Speaker 5: might understand our history.
Speaker 3: Oh, Florida, Florida removing Rosa Parks from the textbooks. Her race,
Speaker 3: that is, because it wasn't relevant with the anti woke raw.
Speaker 3: Her race was not relevant in the civil rights mom
Speaker 3: But that was an effort in Florida. They had changed
Speaker 3: the textbooks. There was a huge backlash and they corrected course.
Speaker 3: But Sarah ain't kidding.
Speaker 6: Kate Blanchette is playing Rosa Parks in a movie.
Speaker 4: Just kidding, Hey, sir, A question when you're on the
Speaker 4: road and you're I was curious, when you're on the
Speaker 4: road on your tour, are you are you taking in cities?
Speaker 4: Are you enjoying it. Are you there in like uh,
Speaker 4: you know, sleeping and and and playing call duty or
Speaker 4: you like cruising around the city is getting more bits
Speaker 4: more content? What's your What do you like to do
Speaker 4: when you're traveling.
Speaker 5: I'm not at a traveling with a PS five level
Speaker 5: of success, but.
Speaker 6: I do. I don't.
Speaker 5: I'm not as good like I have friends that are.
Speaker 5: They go, they they do all the sites they do
Speaker 5: and then they do their show at night. I'm more
Speaker 5: of like a ball of I'm I'm more stressed and
Speaker 5: in bed and avoiding dealing with working on my set
Speaker 5: and I'm trying to chill more and see But I
Speaker 5: but I have Like I was in Indianapolis and you know,
Speaker 5: I get up and at like four PM, I want
Speaker 5: eggs and there's just no place that's will have will
Speaker 5: give me eggs in Indianapolis.
Speaker 4: You know there's a place, there's a place called Steak
Speaker 4: and Eggs right across from uh Saint Omo's Steakhount. Actually
Speaker 4: it's open till five am. I go there every year
Speaker 4: for the combine. So there one place I've been there
Speaker 4: numerous times.
Speaker 5: I didn't find it, but I found one place. And
Speaker 5: it's like the gay bar in town. Called Downtown Olly's
Speaker 5: and we went at four pm. And let me tell you,
Speaker 5: the regulars there look like truckers with long beards.
Speaker 6: And I go, this is a gay bar. They go, yeah, no,
Speaker 6: we're gay. It's crazy.
Speaker 5: It's so cool to see like it was just a
Speaker 5: whole other world, you know, but the same world. I mean,
Speaker 5: we have to remember, like the United States is like
Speaker 5: the size of like twelve countries or something. Like people
Speaker 5: are really different wherever you go, but I love it.
Speaker 4: So who do you travel with? Who's in your like
Speaker 4: who's in your crew? Is it you and like a
Speaker 4: couple of friends, or is you solo and you're like
Speaker 4: your team or who goes with you?
Speaker 5: It used to just be me solo, and like at
Speaker 5: a certain point it's just sitting at like a gate
Speaker 5: at Southwest, and especially because I have a name with
Speaker 5: two s's, and you hear people like this, you.
Speaker 6: Know, and then it's like embarrassing. Although I'm a people
Speaker 6: for and like talking to people.
Speaker 5: But now I travel with my manager and that's great
Speaker 5: because I can be kind of free and she can
Speaker 5: be the one that's like looking out and then if
Speaker 5: like I'll have an opening act, maybe they'll meet me
Speaker 5: there or maybe they'll fly with us, depending on what
Speaker 5: part of the country they're coming from. But yeah, it's
Speaker 5: just every night a different city.
Speaker 1: You fly Southwest.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's so funny because like Chris Rock and Chelsea
Speaker 5: Handler before my last tour, we're both like.
Speaker 9: The last tour I did was the best tour of
Speaker 9: my life. You're going to love the road. And I'm like,
Speaker 9: but you guys are in private jets. It's different, but
Speaker 9: you know I I yeah, So, I mean, listen, I'm
Speaker 9: flying something called like Breeze Airlines when I go from
Speaker 9: Ohio to Charleston, South Carolina.
Speaker 6: I never heard of that in my life.
Speaker 3: But Southwest is Yeah, it's by the way Marsha and
Speaker 3: Southwest is the same airpline as well. My friend, that's
Speaker 3: my go to airline as well. There's no governor planes.
Speaker 3: Everyone thinks governors have planes.
Speaker 6: I don't mind. Southwest has a bad Rapvin.
Speaker 2: I don't know if you ever flew Southwest in your Southwest.
Speaker 3: I got a status brother, I got fifty plus round
Speaker 3: trips a year.
Speaker 5: But I do know marsh Sound's probably right when he
Speaker 5: gives you ship for never driving.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he don't drive, And I know he ain't flow
Speaker 2: no Southwest, he.
Speaker 6: Can't be allowed to drive.
Speaker 7: But dangerous by the.
Speaker 3: Way, as Sarah, you're flying around Southwest for this new
Speaker 3: tour post bortem, right, this new stand up tour post bortem.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, yeah no.
Speaker 3: And but it comes from you know, I mean, we
Speaker 3: could make light of it, and you're you do a
Speaker 3: magnificent job at it, but you lost your your you
Speaker 3: lost dad, you lost stepmom, and you infamously lost them
Speaker 3: within just a few days of each other.
Speaker 6: Nine days they died.
Speaker 1: I'll hear that moment, I think now.
Speaker 3: I mean it was, I mean literally was. It was
Speaker 3: last May?
Speaker 5: Right, it was a year ago, last May. So this
Speaker 5: is what this show is about. Usually I don't know
Speaker 5: a show. My show isn't like about one thing. But
Speaker 5: this is kind of like about one thing, and hopefully
Speaker 5: it's you know, it's funny, but it's it's a sad topic.
Speaker 6: But that's always what I do.
Speaker 5: I talk about the darkest reaches of humanity and you know,
Speaker 5: maake it into like a cum joke somehow. Anyway, great
Speaker 5: talking to all of you know, Sorry, you guys talk dirty.
Speaker 6: So I can say that.
Speaker 4: Marshaun was taught by Mama Lynch early and ages swear too,
Speaker 4: So Marshaw, yes, we we we Mama Lynch. Mama Lynch
Speaker 4: loves you, by the way, she's a loves her comedy,
Speaker 4: her comedics. But no, we do talk shit all day long, Sarah.
Speaker 4: We talked dirty all day long and we love it.
Speaker 4: And so let me ask questions, Sarah. Has there ever
Speaker 4: been has there been one show you've bombed on? You remember,
Speaker 4: like you walked out stage like, holy shit, these people
Speaker 4: are not fucking digging me. This is not going well
Speaker 4: and you have to improvise and try to sort it out.
Speaker 4: Was there been one show that you remember it's like
Speaker 4: this is not good, and.
Speaker 5: Not one particular show. I mean I've eaten bowls of
Speaker 5: shit on stage absolutely, like I mean, especially like before
Speaker 5: like I got an audience or anything like I'm not
Speaker 5: for I'm super duper not for everyone. But yeah, I
Speaker 5: mean one time, I remember I did a like a
Speaker 5: casino in Lake Taho. And usually I don't like a
Speaker 5: spotlight because I don't like being blinded. I like to
Speaker 5: see like the first few rows a little bit, you know,
Speaker 5: but this was like a spotlight. I go out, I
Speaker 5: do my first couple jokes and it's like barely anything,
Speaker 5: and I'm just thinking, oh, it's gonna be the longest
Speaker 5: fucking hour and I just power through it and I
Speaker 5: just go all to casino. Maybe it's empty, I don't know.
Speaker 5: And then the worst part was when I was done,
Speaker 5: the lights came up and it was full. I bombed
Speaker 5: it with a full crowd, and I mean, seriously.
Speaker 3: How do you recover from that? I mean, you can,
Speaker 3: you can laugh it off, but that's got a sting,
Speaker 3: right or what's the after a while if you just did.
Speaker 5: Like the other night, I felt like I had a
Speaker 5: shitty set, but it was like I wasn't enjoying it
Speaker 5: in my head, and that bums me out more than
Speaker 5: just like bombing.
Speaker 6: I you know, I.
Speaker 5: Bomb up a small enough amount of times that I
Speaker 5: can kind of enjoy enjoy it, but it's just part
Speaker 5: of it. It's like part of it. You can't just
Speaker 5: like anything. You really can't succeed without failure. You got
Speaker 5: to figure stuff out, and you have to figure it
Speaker 5: out in front of a crowd with stand up. There's
Speaker 5: only so much you can like practice in front of
Speaker 5: your bathroom mirror. You know, you got to go out
Speaker 5: and even Chris Rock. He's such an inspiration because he
Speaker 5: he'll do a special and then he comes back to
Speaker 5: the cellar and everyone goes crazy, you know, they're so excited,
Speaker 5: and then he's willing to disappoint them, like he's just
Speaker 5: trying new stuff and he has to do it to
Speaker 5: see what works, what doesn't work, what might be something,
Speaker 5: Maybe there's something here. It's like a process and you
Speaker 5: have to start at zero when you're done with the
Speaker 5: last special or whatever. You got to start at zero,
Speaker 5: and you're going to disappoint people.
Speaker 3: And do I'm curious, I mean, over the course of
Speaker 3: when you're doing your stand up show, over the course
Speaker 3: of many many months, are you constantly iterating doing new
Speaker 3: material throughout that process or do you stand pretty static
Speaker 3: in terms of what you know works or is that
Speaker 3: just the base? I mean, you go in a different
Speaker 3: city and you try on the basis of what is
Speaker 3: relevant in that town or community and play around with
Speaker 3: that or what's what's the what's the typical process for you?
Speaker 5: That always sneaks in, you know, because it's like kind
Speaker 5: of a conversation. You know, I'm mostly talking, but like
Speaker 5: you know, you're so yeah, I mean, I talk about
Speaker 5: what's going on or whatever. But mostly I'm really this tour.
Speaker 5: I have to figure out what this show is. I've
Speaker 5: got to figure it out because then I shoot my
Speaker 5: special like two thirds into it, and then I do
Speaker 5: a few more dates, which my biggest fear after I
Speaker 5: shoot a special and then I still do yeah, I
Speaker 5: still have dates before the special comes out, is that
Speaker 5: I figure out, like the perfect joke if it's too late,
Speaker 5: I've recorded it, but I you know, I'm hoping I
Speaker 5: haven't written my favorite joke of this special yet.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 5: It usually happens on the road. But the pressure is,
Speaker 5: like you, You've got to get it done, you know.
Speaker 5: And I'm shooting it at the Beacon in New York
Speaker 5: and it has to be done, and I'm directing it,
Speaker 5: but I don't know it will happen. I'm starting to
Speaker 5: be able to mitigate stress by just going like, what
Speaker 5: are the chances I'm not going to be.
Speaker 6: Ready and it won't and I won't get it done.
Speaker 6: Of course I'll get it done.
Speaker 4: Well, dude, that's amazing. It's amazing pressure doing what you
Speaker 4: do with the stand up stuff. I mean, I can't
Speaker 4: even I mean to go out on stage and do
Speaker 4: that night after night after night. I mean talk about
Speaker 4: you know, your stress galp and giving your speeches to
Speaker 4: the town. I mean, forget about that. You got you
Speaker 4: got an easy to But.
Speaker 3: It's a lot of it's totally familiar.
Speaker 5: Gavin, You're like, you're like energized by it. You like,
Speaker 5: look at this, You're Marshawn Gavin. You both have such
Speaker 5: high pressure, high stakes.
Speaker 6: I mean, Marshaan, you're retired clearly.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but see I had a little bit of some
Speaker 2: car that helped me with that was I had a
Speaker 2: serious case of fucking.
Speaker 7: That's the best.
Speaker 5: You know why people like you like like that kind
Speaker 5: of success is so exciting because what it is is
Speaker 5: you didn't know what you couldn't do. And I feel
Speaker 5: like that could be a common thread in this here.
Speaker 5: You know you didn't It's just like the breaking the
Speaker 5: four minute mile, or like doing the first flip and skateboarding.
Speaker 5: It's always like no one can do it, and then
Speaker 5: one person comes along that doesn't know they can't do it,
Speaker 5: so they do it, and now everyone knows it's possible,
Speaker 5: so then they.
Speaker 6: Can do it. But it's interesting that.
Speaker 3: Was I mean when Roger Banister broke that four minute mile.
Speaker 3: I mean it was a half dozen people that next
Speaker 3: year broke it. It never been broken in human history.
Speaker 4: To your point, you don't know what.
Speaker 5: You don't know because they needed to know it was possible,
Speaker 5: but he didn't need to know it was possible.
Speaker 4: He started taking me through quickly. I know that, and
Speaker 4: I love by the way. I love your podcast. And
Speaker 4: the cool thing is you're helping so many people out.
Speaker 4: I mean so many episodes listen to. People are calling
Speaker 4: and asking like, I don't think you're a therapist, correct,
Speaker 4: I mean you're not a doctor, right, people who's.
Speaker 5: Been topy and so I think I'm a therapist.
Speaker 4: So Marshaun, everybody calls into Sarah, Hey I need help
Speaker 4: on this, or my boyfriend left me or you know whatever,
Speaker 4: and she's given this advice that you're going to pay
Speaker 4: thousands of dollars to and Sarah's spitting out game left
Speaker 4: and right to everybody asking her for.
Speaker 5: Count free crazy because I just when Stand Up went
Speaker 5: away during the pandemic, I was like, fine, I'll do
Speaker 5: a pot cats, but I didn't want to have guests
Speaker 5: because no offense.
Speaker 6: And I was very happy.
Speaker 5: Gavin textual to me but like my biggest fear is
Speaker 5: asking people to like come on my show or I
Speaker 5: have you came on my show? But you know, like
Speaker 5: to have a podcast every week that I have to
Speaker 5: like ask guests and friends, I just didn't want to.
Speaker 5: So I just wanted people to call in and that
Speaker 5: I like strangers and I want to like hear from people.
Speaker 5: And I didn't even think it would be people from
Speaker 5: like all over the world, not just the country, but
Speaker 5: so I just thought it would be funny or silly.
Speaker 5: But the callers really do the trajectory of the how
Speaker 5: the podcast goes, and it just got so heavy and
Speaker 5: serious a lot of the time, and people like sometimes
Speaker 5: they call in and I'm like, this is above my
Speaker 5: pay grade.
Speaker 6: I don't know the answer to this.
Speaker 5: But I bet other people will call in and they
Speaker 5: know the answer, and it's just become this really cool community.
Speaker 4: Is almost like Sarah had to like call like nine
Speaker 4: to one doctor and say, listen, I need your help.
Speaker 4: Have this person stay on the line, call call one
Speaker 4: eight hundred help and please take her off my phone call.
Speaker 4: But now it's pretty cool.
Speaker 3: Hey, Sarah, just as we wrap up, I mean, obviously
Speaker 3: you mentioned the movie David Bradley Cooper directed, and you
Speaker 3: played I think his sister and uh and so, I mean,
Speaker 3: and that was a more serious role. And so is
Speaker 3: where's your trajectory?
Speaker 1: Are you?
Speaker 3: I mean, are you a goal oriented person? Or is
Speaker 3: it just I mean, are you just constantly sort of
Speaker 3: you roll in with this? But are you looking to
Speaker 3: do a lot more acting, more serious drama or or
Speaker 3: what's where you going to be in ten years? What's
Speaker 3: your what are your sins?
Speaker 6: I'm not a goal oriented person. I've never thought about it.
Speaker 6: I've never thought about like ten years. I want this.
Speaker 5: I mean, the only goal oriented thing I think of
Speaker 5: is I want to I live below my means and
Speaker 5: save up for when I'm elderly so that I can
Speaker 5: have healthcare. I want to be able to live with
Speaker 5: other comics and a nursing home that's like really nice.
Speaker 5: We have our own space and a common space and
Speaker 5: like nursing care and it's clean. So I have to
Speaker 5: be really rich and I have to save all my.
Speaker 6: Pennies for that.
Speaker 5: Besides that, I don't really think about it. I love
Speaker 5: doing odd jobs. I love that I get to brave
Speaker 5: mar Sean, like you're acting, you're doing this, I love
Speaker 5: doing all sorts of things and that just keep me
Speaker 5: interested and connected to people and stuff. I mean, stand
Speaker 5: up's my jam, that's like my identity, like that's who
Speaker 5: I am. But I do love acting, and it's sometimes
Speaker 5: it's hard because I like auditioning for stuff, like I
Speaker 5: auditioned for Maestro because people think that the people know me,
Speaker 5: you know, so they go, well, people aren't going to
Speaker 5: get lost in a character in her, but I can
Speaker 5: I do do it, you know. But it's hard to
Speaker 5: get seen that way because everyone it's like I'm not
Speaker 5: the kind.
Speaker 6: Of thing us like you go like, oh my god,
Speaker 6: that's you know. It's like Sarah, you.
Speaker 5: Know, like everyone feels like they like went to camp
Speaker 5: with me, you know, which I love.
Speaker 6: But it's it's a.
Speaker 5: Familiarity that is not necessarily conducive to like disappearing into
Speaker 5: a role.
Speaker 3: Marshawn, you must feel the same way, by the way.
Speaker 3: That's got to be I mean first, I mean, Marshawn,
Speaker 3: I imagine people come up to you with the same mindset.
Speaker 2: Right yeah, and then it's like it's like it's changed,
Speaker 2: like Doug was saying, like I mean there used to
Speaker 2: be individuals come up to me like, hey, you know,
Speaker 2: why the fuck Pete didn't give you the ball or
Speaker 2: some shit like that, And now it's like, yeah, I mean,
Speaker 2: I'll go out and they're like.
Speaker 1: Hey, mister G, Hey, mister G, what's up.
Speaker 2: And it's like, oh shit, well, they maybe maybe get
Speaker 2: lost in that character, or I played it well enough
Speaker 2: to where you know, I mean it ain't Marshan Lynch
Speaker 2: is mister G. So yeah, I mean maybe I did
Speaker 2: do something right or I just did something.
Speaker 6: Everything you're doing is right.
Speaker 4: Marshaun, You've you've done everything right, and Sarah you've done
Speaker 4: everything right. You are a badass, bad savage.
Speaker 7: You know what.
Speaker 6: I'm proud of all four of us