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Speaker 1: Ridiculous Crime is a production of iHeartRadio zern A.

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Speaker 2: So glad you showed up today.

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Speaker 3: I know, I found parking and everything nice.

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Speaker 2: Uh do you know what's ridiculous?

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Speaker 3: Yes, sit down on the actor Ving Rams. Okay, he's

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Speaker 3: a little he's not ridiculous, aut Elizabeth, don't go for that.

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Speaker 3: He got his dope ass nickname from his college roommate.

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Speaker 3: His government name is Irving Rams. Yeah, it's Sunny Purchase,

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Speaker 3: like a state University of New York. Purchase was told

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Speaker 3: him he ought to shorten his name to Ving because

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Speaker 3: he's more like a Ving than an Irv Irving. He's like, oh,

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Speaker 3: think of Ving Rams. I mean, boom. Do you know

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Speaker 3: who that roommate was, Stanley Tucci? Right, that's amazing. But

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Speaker 3: that's not what's ridiculous. That's just kind of cool. You

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Speaker 3: know what's ridiculous. Stanley Tucci and Christopher Juicy Booty Maloney

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Speaker 3: have never played brothers in a movie or TV show.

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Speaker 2: I mean, come on, that's ridiculous. That is absolutely ridiculous. O,

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Speaker 2: good one, nice work. Do you want to know what

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Speaker 2: else is ridiculous? Do you promising someone one trillion dollars?

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Speaker 4: Oh?

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Speaker 2: This is ridiculous crime A how do you say? Podcast

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Speaker 2: about absurd and outrageous capers, heists and cons it's always

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Speaker 2: ninety nine percent murder free and one hundred percent what

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Speaker 2: is it ridiculous?

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Speaker 5: Oh?

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Speaker 2: You damn right? Con men? Am I right? Oh?

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Speaker 3: Tell me about his sister.

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Speaker 2: I will never stop being fascinated by fraudsters and their

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Speaker 2: ability to get people to believe things.

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Speaker 3: I don't know how they do it.

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Speaker 2: I'm jealous, I get I guess they're so confident in

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Speaker 2: their con that they don't show that weakness that sows doubt.

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Speaker 3: I think that is actually a very big part of it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And as I was reading about the guy that

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Speaker 2: I'm going to tell you about today, I kept thinking,

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Speaker 2: like trying to imagine if I were the one trying

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Speaker 2: to pull these things off. Oh really, Yeah, I would

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Speaker 2: have been like laughed out of the room or forcibly

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Speaker 2: ejected or like arrested every single time.

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Speaker 3: Actually, I don't know about that, Elizabeth. I think you

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Speaker 3: could pull it off if you were convinced that, like

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Speaker 3: you needed to do this to save like a boatload

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Speaker 3: of like bunnies. You're like, Elizabeth, that guy over there.

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Speaker 2: If you do not con these three people.

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Speaker 3: They're gonna hurt all these lovely if you'd figure out

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Speaker 3: a way you would do it. You go over, you

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Speaker 3: charm them, you get them to believe your lives, and

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Speaker 3: then they would con them because you'd have the confidence

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Speaker 3: of you have to do it. The thing is you

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Speaker 3: couldn't do it for yourself because then you know you're

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Speaker 3: just conning someone to get some money to you know,

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Speaker 3: thicken your wallet. Yeah, which ain't your style.

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean it's the act like you know, like

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Speaker 2: if you're put into that position, perhaps so con man,

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Speaker 2: they act like I know, they act like they're supposed

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Speaker 2: I had to save a boatload of bunnies. Yes, the

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Speaker 2: guy that I want to tell you about, like he

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Speaker 2: acts like he knows, but he doesn't exactly look like

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Speaker 3: Hmm.

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Speaker 2: So it's like and that also fascinates me. He's a

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Speaker 3: Is that to make people like Another part of being

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Speaker 2: Supposed to run with big money folks. And then the

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Speaker 2: like especially later in his career. He there's like a

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Speaker 3: Makes sloppy work for him.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, kind of, I don't know. It's interest. So he's

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Speaker 2: an excellent con man. He's like a mega con man,

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Speaker 3: Is this cat?

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Speaker 2: Russell King is his name? Never heard of him? He's

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Speaker 2: a mysterious figure. I've been trying to get biographical information

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Speaker 2: over again. Really, all I know he was born in

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Speaker 2: like his motivations. Sure, the angles he.

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Speaker 3: Works his compulsions.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the first time he bubbles up is in the

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Speaker 3: It was early twenties.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he loved fast cars, high life. He was chairman

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Speaker 2: Celebrity Group Holdings, and at one point they wanted to

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Speaker 2: buy the world's oldest toy store, Hamley's in London. Okay,

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Speaker 2: It was the UK's biggest toy store at the time,

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Speaker 2: Zodiac Zodiac Toys, not the Killer. No, they just sold

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Speaker 2: a lot of hoods and decoder sets. It was exactly.

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Speaker 2: It was just like chain of shops. They'd been in

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Speaker 2: business from the sixties and they had been purchased two

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Speaker 2: so king he bought it up and then it quickly folded,

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Speaker 2: he reported his Aston Martin stolen and it was worth

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Speaker 2: And this is what I couldn't believe. I checked multiple

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Speaker 3: It wasn't a new one, right, it must have been

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Speaker 2: I don't know. There was one article called it some name,

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Speaker 3: And it wasn't the James Bond one from the sixties, to.

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Speaker 2: Say, but a six hundred thousand pound car is ridiculous.

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Speaker 2: I think that one's absolutely ridiculous. But anyway, I mean,

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Speaker 2: So he contacts his insurance company, yes, and they, of

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Speaker 2: So he gets busted for insurance fraud. He did two

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Speaker 2: years in prison for it, and Celebrity Group went into

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Speaker 2: liquidation while he was inside. Okay, and then Credit Corps

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Speaker 2: then like so that bubbles up in the press, and

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Speaker 2: then it's about ten years before King pops up again.

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Speaker 2: I don't know what he's doing in those ten.

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Speaker 2: He's in the UK. So this time it's around like

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Speaker 2: the mid two thousands. He's part of a company called

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Speaker 2: Belgravia Financial Services Group, okay, which just you know, sound

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Speaker 2: well it's a neighborhood in London and it's trying to

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Speaker 2: be sort of posish. But the company based in Jersey

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Speaker 2: it's a self governing British Crown dependency and that means

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Speaker 2: it has its own financial, legal and judicial systems, and

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Speaker 2: it also it should come in as absolutely no surprise

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Speaker 2: I am desperate to go there really, to Jersey. Oh yeah, completely,

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Speaker 2: So financial services makes up forty of the goods and

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Speaker 3: I know about what they do. Yeah, basically money laundering

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Speaker 2: And that that's why it wasn't weird that Belgravia Financial

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Speaker 2: this guy named Duncan Hickman set up Belgravia, as we'll

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Speaker 2: call it, and at some point Russell King came on board. Okay,

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Speaker 2: and he and his wife lived in Jersey too, so

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Speaker 2: moved there from England. Two thousand and five Belgravia Belgravia

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Speaker 2: made a move to buy Newcastle United the soccer Wow. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: that did not go through, but it sets the stage

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Speaker 3: Can we call it old Hampshire? So I know which

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Speaker 2: It's Old Hampshire and Old Jersey. This is just helping

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Speaker 2: don't know what exactly he's doing that. He's like, he's

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Speaker 3: I think he's one of those people in the British

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Speaker 3: who are actually money laundering through the British territories exactly

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Speaker 2: Kind that's what's happening.

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Speaker 2: One of his workers, Nicolette McAvoy, she's married to a

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Speaker 2: the absolute most he could out of his claim, because

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Speaker 2: the McAvoy's jobs down in Jersey and they accepted and

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Speaker 2: they moved to the island. So missus McAvoy, she made

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I haven't hired a housekeeper in y forever.

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Speaker 2: Well here it gets sweeter though, because the husband works

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Speaker 2: there too. In this compensation. King rented a four bedroom

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Speaker 3: Is making them caretakers, right, so to speak.

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Speaker 2: So they have this this, this place that he's rented

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Speaker 2: for them in his name, so they're not paying any

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Speaker 2: any rent. So the twelve to fifty a month that's income.

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Speaker 2: That's just income. And it seems like everything's going to

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Speaker 2: be okay for them at this point. So after all

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Speaker 2: of mister McAvoy's claim money came in, King and then

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Speaker 2: that guy Dunk and Hickman who started Belgravia, they convinced

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Speaker 2: the couple to put their money in a fund controlled

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Speaker 2: by Belgravia. Yeah, why not. They've hurdle the money.

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Speaker 3: They've already gotten them a bigger payout.

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Speaker 2: They're good with their money. So they invested two hundred

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Speaker 3: Trying to be a spokesmodel and event and a victim.

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Speaker 3: You know, cobalt and stuff.

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Speaker 2: North Korea. Yeah, so he goes around telling everyone that

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Speaker 3: North Korea loves capitalism.

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Speaker 2: That's one thing they always say about. Everyone's going to

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Speaker 2: introduce you to that target, Zara Elizabeth Zaren. Can I

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Speaker 3: Before we get there? This guy's this King that you've

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Speaker 2: Maybe they're cousins. I just wanted to I was like,

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Speaker 2: I wanted I want to do is is talk about

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Speaker 2: that show Ted Lasso, right?

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Speaker 5: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: I don't know anything about it because I don't watch teev.

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Speaker 3: I like Roy, I don't have to hear you're gonna.

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Speaker 2: Go no, I'm not. I watched it and I loved it.

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Speaker 2: It's funny, it's poignant, it's insightful. My goodness, the characters,

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Speaker 2: like you said, Roy, those writers created like really fantastic, nuanced,

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Speaker 2: Then there's the football or the soccer angle. We got

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Speaker 2: our own little team here, Oakland Roots. Yes, Marshan Lynch

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Speaker 3: It took me to that one that was as an owner.

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Speaker 2: That was awesome. Yeah. I think one of the benefits

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Speaker 2: that's just all roots fans singing songs and like rocking,

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Speaker 3: They're just saying, I'm a member of this tribe. You

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Speaker 2: That's how you viewed, or at least set foot on

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Speaker 2: but roll tide it so like they haven't ever been

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Speaker 2: Which is your addition, Buffalo fan?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you started it. That's deep. In England, there's some

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Speaker 3: Well yeah, it's much more of like pride of their area.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and there are rivalries like Sunderland and Newcastle comes

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a whole like Protestants first, Catholics, right, and

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Speaker 2: with the Oakland Roots, some of the teams are fan owned,

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Speaker 2: and there's the Goddess the Middle Eastern like interests coming

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Speaker 3: Where are they relegated to even know they had fallen

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Speaker 3: out the premiere?

435
00:22:37,359 --> 00:22:39,640
Speaker 2: Definitely premiere, but I don't know. Yeah, but they were

436
00:22:39,640 --> 00:22:42,720
Speaker 2: they were like they were struggling, and the fans like

437
00:22:42,800 --> 00:22:45,520
Speaker 2: they still supported them and when and they were fan

438
00:22:45,640 --> 00:22:49,399
Speaker 2: outs by the packers, yeah, kream Bay exactly. Yeah, so

439
00:22:49,400 --> 00:22:52,000
Speaker 2: the fans are supporting them, and then when a takeover

440
00:22:52,119 --> 00:22:55,840
Speaker 2: offer appeared, it was like a gift from heaven. Take

441
00:22:55,920 --> 00:23:01,520
Speaker 2: this team. Now there's money, Oh that way, for God's sake.

442
00:23:01,680 --> 00:23:08,240
Speaker 2: So please, you know, we have such heart if only

443
00:23:08,320 --> 00:23:10,680
Speaker 2: someone would put money into it, much like you know.

444
00:23:10,920 --> 00:23:12,919
Speaker 3: Yeah, So they won the investment. They're hoping with a

445
00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:14,399
Speaker 3: new ownership life blood.

446
00:23:14,520 --> 00:23:17,800
Speaker 2: So they get approached by a representative of Munto Finance.

447
00:23:18,119 --> 00:23:19,480
Speaker 3: Wait a minute, I'm starting to get worried again.

448
00:23:19,640 --> 00:23:24,320
Speaker 2: M U n t O Monto. I know I'd let

449
00:23:24,359 --> 00:23:28,440
Speaker 2: you send it drift on memory. Monto is a subsidiary

450
00:23:28,560 --> 00:23:32,520
Speaker 2: of cod Back q A d b a K Investments

451
00:23:33,680 --> 00:23:37,520
Speaker 2: to be a spellingst and that representative of Monto Finance

452
00:23:37,680 --> 00:23:41,520
Speaker 2: none other than Russell kings King Rust King. So he

453
00:23:41,600 --> 00:23:45,040
Speaker 2: had driven Bill Gravia into the ground and taken on

454
00:23:45,240 --> 00:23:48,240
Speaker 2: almost half of First London Bank by saying that he

455
00:23:48,359 --> 00:23:52,119
Speaker 2: managed the wealth fund of the Bahrain royal family. And

456
00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:54,959
Speaker 2: then now he's out to buy up Notts County.

457
00:23:55,160 --> 00:23:55,560
Speaker 3: Why not?

458
00:23:55,840 --> 00:23:59,639
Speaker 2: Why not? Why nots County? So he showed them a

459
00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:04,280
Speaker 2: bank guarantee from First London, saying that Monto Finance had

460
00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:07,280
Speaker 2: the cash and the intention of buying the football club

461
00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:09,679
Speaker 2: more fancy paperwork. Oh yeah, he said he was the

462
00:24:09,760 --> 00:24:13,320
Speaker 2: go between. He was a representative of Monto. Monto, the

463
00:24:13,359 --> 00:24:16,760
Speaker 2: subsidiary of cod Back, was supposed to be like this

464
00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:21,560
Speaker 2: Swiss based trust of the Shafee and Hyatt families referred

465
00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:27,360
Speaker 2: to as quote Middle Eastern and European based families. Okay,

466
00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:33,119
Speaker 2: spreads that spreads. So in truth, Russell King is Monto,

467
00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:36,439
Speaker 2: and he had that guarantee from First London, but it

468
00:24:36,520 --> 00:24:39,960
Speaker 2: was totally worthless and it was cooked up and made

469
00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:43,080
Speaker 2: from a department that didn't even exist anymore in the bank,

470
00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:47,280
Speaker 2: so it's just completely stationary, Like.

471
00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:50,960
Speaker 3: Give me that gold pen, I'm going to put some

472
00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:52,160
Speaker 3: fancy stuff on here.

473
00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:57,240
Speaker 2: So King bought the club for one pound yea, and

474
00:24:57,280 --> 00:25:00,480
Speaker 2: he promised to just flood him with Middle Eastern and

475
00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:03,919
Speaker 2: they get the best players and the best coach. That

476
00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:09,720
Speaker 2: coach former England national team manager Sven Goren Erickson, whoa yeah.

477
00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:12,679
Speaker 2: So in June of two thousand and nine, King and

478
00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:17,760
Speaker 2: this guy Nathan Willett, who's another Jersey based pronuncier. He

479
00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:21,800
Speaker 2: approached Ericson through a third party. They wanted to make

480
00:25:21,880 --> 00:25:26,240
Speaker 2: him an incredible offer, money he hopefully could not refuse.

481
00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:29,000
Speaker 2: So King at the time he's living in the Dorchester

482
00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:33,159
Speaker 2: Hotel and so they decided to meet up there. Zaren

483
00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:37,400
Speaker 2: closed your eyes. I want you to picture it. Yes,

484
00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:42,640
Speaker 2: you are a London Society matron, an aging Sloane ranger.

485
00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:46,720
Speaker 2: Your full name is Rowena Stonebridge, Forester, or blythe Manchester.

486
00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:50,440
Speaker 2: Everybody knows you as Toppy. And when I say everybody

487
00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:54,240
Speaker 2: knows you, that's everybody who's anybody. It's June two thousand

488
00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:56,840
Speaker 2: and nine. You're meeting a friend for afternoon tea at

489
00:25:56,880 --> 00:26:00,879
Speaker 2: the Promenade, a charming restaurant located inside the Orchester Hotel.

490
00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:05,480
Speaker 2: The gentlest of classical chamber music pieces plays in the background.

491
00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:10,000
Speaker 2: Guests sip tea and eat delightful petaphores and finger sandwiches.

492
00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:13,879
Speaker 2: You adjust your airmese scarf and catch a glimpse of

493
00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:17,679
Speaker 2: yourself in the deco mirror next to the tufted, oversized

494
00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:21,640
Speaker 2: banquette in which you sit surrounded by silk chintz pillows.

495
00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:25,040
Speaker 2: Your friend is running slightly late, but that's to be expected.

496
00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:28,320
Speaker 2: She's ninety two years old and hard of hearing. She

497
00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:31,440
Speaker 2: does at least wear a hearing aid. Years of raising

498
00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:34,680
Speaker 2: your voice and conversation with her are blessedly over. It

499
00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:38,000
Speaker 2: takes a while for her to navigate here with her driver. Oh,

500
00:26:38,520 --> 00:26:40,800
Speaker 2: you've been told that she used to throw the most

501
00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:44,840
Speaker 2: elaborate and scandalous parties at her country estate. You were

502
00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:47,119
Speaker 2: too young to have been there, but you struck up

503
00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:51,280
Speaker 2: a friendship years back. She's dreadfully funny, darling and sharp

504
00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:54,120
Speaker 2: as attack. A group is seated at the table. Next

505
00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:57,760
Speaker 2: year's three men. One looks like any other London banker,

506
00:26:57,960 --> 00:27:01,440
Speaker 2: slick and besuited. Then there's a dapper man with preceding

507
00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:05,439
Speaker 2: white hair and wire glasses, another impeccable suit, bringing up

508
00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:08,040
Speaker 2: the rear as a mountain of a man. He sports

509
00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:11,760
Speaker 2: a mustache and goateee, and his eyes they're like those

510
00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:16,000
Speaker 2: of a snake hunting not to be trusted. Oh, perhaps

511
00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:19,080
Speaker 2: you've been watching too many of those detective shows. The cozies,

512
00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:22,119
Speaker 2: Miss Marble and the like. You aren't sure how or

513
00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:24,000
Speaker 2: why you've gotten into them, but when you have a

514
00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:27,120
Speaker 2: moment at home, say after tennis, you indulge in watch

515
00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:30,520
Speaker 2: an episode or two. Following right behind the group is

516
00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:35,639
Speaker 2: your friend, Lady Margaret Bettington Gigglethorpe Hughes, also known as Bunny.

517
00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:38,280
Speaker 2: She's being led to your table by the h D.

518
00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:42,280
Speaker 2: She delicately places her bird like bones in the chair

519
00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:44,920
Speaker 2: on the outside of the banquette. Oh, I don't like

520
00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:47,760
Speaker 2: sitting in those things, the scooching and the inching over

521
00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:51,560
Speaker 2: not ladylike. Her attention is taken by the three men

522
00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:54,440
Speaker 2: at the next table. You know who that is, don't you,

523
00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:57,159
Speaker 2: she whispers. You have no idea. The one with the

524
00:27:57,200 --> 00:28:00,399
Speaker 2: white hair, she says, that's Sven Goren Erickson. He used

525
00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:03,840
Speaker 2: to be manager of the England national team. Uh, you say,

526
00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:06,760
Speaker 2: you never much followed the sport, and that always seems

527
00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:09,200
Speaker 2: to make you the odd man out. You ask about

528
00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:12,200
Speaker 2: her day, chat about new gallery openings and the ascot,

529
00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:15,439
Speaker 2: but her attention keeps getting pulled to the other table.

530
00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:19,359
Speaker 2: My dear, she says, all those years of my hearing

531
00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:22,679
Speaker 2: slowly drifting away from me like so much a canoe

532
00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:25,959
Speaker 2: untethered on a pond. Did provide me with one benefit?

533
00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:29,760
Speaker 2: What's that, Bunny? You say? I can read lips and

534
00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:33,800
Speaker 2: those men are having an absolute corker of a conversation. No,

535
00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:36,600
Speaker 2: you tell her to spill it. She fills you in.

536
00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:40,640
Speaker 2: Those two men want to hire Erickson to Notts County. Ooh,

537
00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:42,920
Speaker 2: that's a reach. They say they want to take the

538
00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:46,120
Speaker 2: team to the Premier League and even further stretch. But

539
00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:49,720
Speaker 2: they send something about fixing up the stadium, an academy

540
00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:53,760
Speaker 2: and buying feeder clubs. Oh, it's all very exciting. Bunny

541
00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:57,320
Speaker 2: is loving this. You know that Ericson could put a

542
00:28:57,400 --> 00:29:01,120
Speaker 2: log on my fire anytime, Bunny says with a smirk, Bunny,

543
00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:04,720
Speaker 2: you gasp. Oh he's no Jose Mourinho, but I do

544
00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:08,760
Speaker 2: like the cut of his Chit wait, wait Ericson just

545
00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:10,960
Speaker 2: reached out and shook their hands. He said he'd take

546
00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:13,640
Speaker 2: the offer. Well, my stars, I think we just saw

547
00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:17,160
Speaker 2: a very big deal go down. And you did Saren did,

548
00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:20,520
Speaker 2: I did, Toy and Bunny copy, and Bunny witnessed the

549
00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:24,480
Speaker 2: whole thing. So king makes Ericson the club director of

550
00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:29,600
Speaker 2: football His contract included a clause entitling him to eleven

551
00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:32,520
Speaker 2: million euros worth of shares in a little known company

552
00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:36,240
Speaker 2: called Swiss Commodity Holding SCCH.

553
00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:38,480
Speaker 3: There the company is going to be owning the team.

554
00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:39,600
Speaker 3: So he's going to be an owner.

555
00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:41,880
Speaker 2: Now it's just it's not they're not owning the team.

556
00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:42,800
Speaker 2: It's another company.

557
00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:44,600
Speaker 3: Oh, just something else. He's like, oh, you'll be part

558
00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:46,560
Speaker 3: of this other thing we got, man, that's where the

559
00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:47,080
Speaker 3: real money.

560
00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:48,960
Speaker 2: That's where the real money is. And they asked him,

561
00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:52,920
Speaker 2: could you please be an ambassador for the company's overseas interests.

562
00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:54,959
Speaker 3: Oh, so you be the spokesmodel now.

563
00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:59,440
Speaker 2: So they told him that SCH had a total portfolio

564
00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:04,400
Speaker 2: value more than one hundred and sixty billion Swiss francs.

565
00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:06,560
Speaker 3: I think that's a lot, Elizabeth, that's.

566
00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:08,520
Speaker 2: A lot of money. Yeah, And he's they say, you know,

567
00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:13,600
Speaker 2: they focus on natural resources, infrastructure, industry, all that kind

568
00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:18,240
Speaker 2: of stuff. So news, well people's stuff.

569
00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:21,080
Speaker 3: It's like gold or shiny. We probably like it.

570
00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:25,680
Speaker 2: So news like spreads that Notts County has been taken

571
00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:30,120
Speaker 2: over by this mysterious consortium Monto Finance, and that Saven

572
00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:32,520
Speaker 2: Goren Erickson is the new director of Football.

573
00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:34,680
Speaker 3: People are losing it, yeahs.

574
00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:39,280
Speaker 2: And then the team starts signing great players goalie, Yeah,

575
00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:43,560
Speaker 2: Casper Schmeichel was signed for a five year deal at

576
00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:46,840
Speaker 2: one point five million pounds a year. Okay. There were

577
00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:49,880
Speaker 2: even rumblings that the David Beckham, who was playing in

578
00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:53,080
Speaker 2: LA at the time, could be signed up, like they're

579
00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:57,920
Speaker 2: going to bring the bender back. So everything was getting

580
00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:00,080
Speaker 2: very exciting for not can.

581
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:02,040
Speaker 3: You imagine being one of them in that little town.

582
00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:03,440
Speaker 3: You've had this crappy.

583
00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:04,200
Speaker 2: Football tape forever.

584
00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:07,880
Speaker 3: Now suddenly they're talking about the David foot, David Beckham's left.

585
00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:10,800
Speaker 2: Foot, and it's such a study my left foot. It's

586
00:31:10,840 --> 00:31:15,960
Speaker 2: such a story. Now I'm just imagining Daniel day Lewis

587
00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:18,360
Speaker 2: taking the pitch and being like, I'm it's method. I'm

588
00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:21,520
Speaker 2: just going to learn this. No, it's just like this

589
00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:25,080
Speaker 2: is this oldest storied team with like all this history.

590
00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:28,400
Speaker 2: Exactly the rejuven nation. I mean, they wanted this for

591
00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:31,720
Speaker 2: so long. September two thousand is I telling them.

592
00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:34,120
Speaker 3: They're going to open the factories back up, Like we're

593
00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:36,400
Speaker 3: going to start building the ships again or whatever.

594
00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:39,240
Speaker 2: Was the industry of their grandfathers. We're doing it again. Oh,

595
00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:42,000
Speaker 2: We're going to have an a stadium at Howard Terminal.

596
00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:43,040
Speaker 4: That's what that is.

597
00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:48,040
Speaker 2: So September two thousand and nine, the Sun newspaper does

598
00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:51,040
Speaker 2: a piece naming Russell King as the man at the

599
00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:54,160
Speaker 2: center of the Notts County takeover. Everybody like that, and

600
00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:56,960
Speaker 2: they told the story of his Aston Martin insurance fraud,

601
00:31:57,040 --> 00:31:59,840
Speaker 2: prison time. Oh wow. And the club was like, you know, so,

602
00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:03,080
Speaker 2: I think he's just a quote strategic consultant. And he

603
00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:08,560
Speaker 2: negotiated the contracts on the club's behalf. Nothing right, as

604
00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:11,880
Speaker 2: King always said, I have never been a shareholder, director,

605
00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:16,880
Speaker 2: trustee or beneficiari. My name is I do not own

606
00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:21,160
Speaker 2: a mansion or a yacht. The thing is at Notts County.

607
00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:25,280
Speaker 2: He had people call him Lord Voldemort. What after the

608
00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:29,200
Speaker 2: Harry Potter book familiar He must he who must not

609
00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:34,040
Speaker 2: be named. I don't know, I never read that. Yeah,

610
00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:36,720
Speaker 2: he must he who must not be named? And so

611
00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:39,160
Speaker 2: they weren't like supposed to see and he's naming him. Yeah,

612
00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:43,920
Speaker 2: he's like the guy Voldemort. Don't say Russell King, say

613
00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:49,760
Speaker 2: the name you're not supposed to I'm him, call me Spartacus.

614
00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:52,840
Speaker 2: Let's take a break and let's ruminate on this. Whole

615
00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:55,880
Speaker 2: Voldemort thing. When we get back, I'm going to let

616
00:32:55,920 --> 00:32:58,200
Speaker 2: you know how this whole Knots County thing shakes out.

617
00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:20,280
Speaker 6: Please all right, Zarah Elizabeth.

618
00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:22,880
Speaker 2: So we got Sven Goran ericson, Yeah we do. Is

619
00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:23,160
Speaker 2: he here?

620
00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:26,440
Speaker 3: He's right here now the lobby, David Beckham, But just

621
00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:27,040
Speaker 3: his left foot.

622
00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:28,080
Speaker 2: He's in the lobby too.

623
00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:29,240
Speaker 4: Just as.

624
00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:32,840
Speaker 2: Keep David Beckham's foot in a jar.

625
00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:37,120
Speaker 3: Don't tell anything, but Daniel David Lewis, why do you

626
00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:39,560
Speaker 3: have his foot because he's not left foot.

627
00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:42,080
Speaker 2: I saw the movie. It's my left foot, not his.

628
00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:44,680
Speaker 2: I paid for the ticket. I just have a whole

629
00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:46,440
Speaker 2: wall of left feet in jars.

630
00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:49,080
Speaker 3: You know that Daniel day Lewis started becoming a cobbler.

631
00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:51,080
Speaker 3: He could make you some shoes from all your left feet.

632
00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:54,440
Speaker 2: I heard he's coming out, so true. I heard he's

633
00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:55,320
Speaker 2: coming out of retirement.

634
00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:59,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, he did for his son. He's going to be direct, fast, imperious,

635
00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:05,200
Speaker 3: a love than his son's directing. Perfect family Elizabeth family, family.

636
00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:14,640
Speaker 2: Family, So Goren, Eric sven Goren, Detective Bobby, Detective. No,

637
00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:17,680
Speaker 2: this is making it so much better, Detective sven Goren.

638
00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:22,040
Speaker 2: He's all in. He's making serious money. Under the promise

639
00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:24,960
Speaker 2: that he'll be given all the resources he needs to

640
00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:28,360
Speaker 2: take the team to glory, no expense spared. So this

641
00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:31,520
Speaker 2: is September two thousand and nine. By the next month,

642
00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:37,720
Speaker 2: Russell King, the man behind, winto finance. He convinces Ericson

643
00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:40,640
Speaker 2: to go with him to another country on a junkt.

644
00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:42,040
Speaker 3: Ox spokesmodel stuff.

645
00:34:42,160 --> 00:34:44,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's this is the spokesmodel part of it. I

646
00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:46,680
Speaker 2: told you. He says, we're going to go to talk

647
00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:48,880
Speaker 2: to the leaders of this country about setting up their

648
00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:52,960
Speaker 2: team for the following year's World Cup. That country, yes,

649
00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:54,200
Speaker 2: North Korea.

650
00:34:57,200 --> 00:34:58,480
Speaker 3: On the plane he's like.

651
00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:02,319
Speaker 2: Reading always goes back to North Korea with this, how

652
00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:08,120
Speaker 2: did you read your ticket? Wall? So Erickson later told

653
00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:11,480
Speaker 2: The Guardian quote, I went on the nineteenth of October

654
00:35:11,560 --> 00:35:20,320
Speaker 2: to North Korea together with Russell King and Nathan Willett.

655
00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:23,680
Speaker 2: He said, when I went home from there, I started

656
00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:26,239
Speaker 2: to have doubts because of what I saw in that

657
00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:32,279
Speaker 2: country and what happened after that. So Ericson King will

658
00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:35,680
Speaker 2: it and then this rep from the Shaffee and Hyatt

659
00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:38,920
Speaker 2: families made the trek. So remember those were the families

660
00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:40,840
Speaker 2: that were the money behind I.

661
00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:43,239
Speaker 3: Thought that was lbs I just assumed that was there

662
00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:45,520
Speaker 3: actually was a rep for the the problem.

663
00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:49,600
Speaker 2: The Guardian tracked down the big money guy from those families,

664
00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:52,320
Speaker 2: an war Shafee. Yes, he's really the head of the

665
00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:56,080
Speaker 2: family consortium, the rep that went on the trip, not

666
00:35:56,280 --> 00:35:59,719
Speaker 2: from the family. In fact, family has nothing to do

667
00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:01,680
Speaker 2: with this. I know it comes as a shot, but.

668
00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:04,960
Speaker 3: It spelled really close. It's really chef d So people

669
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:06,200
Speaker 3: make this mistake all the time.

670
00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:09,120
Speaker 2: It was like with your ab scam where they just

671
00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:16,439
Speaker 2: like got an Italian guy training ex so Ericson goes

672
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:19,160
Speaker 2: there fully believing that he's going to like drum up

673
00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:22,799
Speaker 2: some goodwill football for help, help the North Koreans get

674
00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:25,600
Speaker 2: on the pitch and give it a shot. And he did.

675
00:36:25,719 --> 00:36:28,360
Speaker 2: He met with football folks there, like the president of

676
00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:32,080
Speaker 2: the football Association, the coaches of the national team. He

677
00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:35,080
Speaker 2: even watched like games and trainings, so this was all

678
00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:38,480
Speaker 2: really going This is really happening. And they asked for

679
00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:41,520
Speaker 2: how did they get on this? I don't know. I

680
00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:44,640
Speaker 2: feel like if I knew more about his origin story,

681
00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:46,120
Speaker 2: this would click more for me.

682
00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:49,160
Speaker 3: There's so many things happening in international hotels around the

683
00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:51,360
Speaker 3: world we just do not know about and this is

684
00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:52,200
Speaker 3: one of those things.

685
00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:54,880
Speaker 2: At some point, multiple times, I stayed at a hotel

686
00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:57,279
Speaker 2: in another country where you're like, yes, something weird.

687
00:36:57,640 --> 00:36:59,839
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, I think I told you about the one.

688
00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:02,000
Speaker 3: I was like, I was in a progue. I was like,

689
00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:04,640
Speaker 3: it's only me, and like this other business guy in

690
00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:07,080
Speaker 3: this hotel, and like I don't think he's a hit man,

691
00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:08,280
Speaker 3: but he ain't a businessman.

692
00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:10,759
Speaker 2: I was in a hotel and nice, and there was

693
00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:13,120
Speaker 2: a guy who had like a locked briefcase that he

694
00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:17,640
Speaker 2: took to the diners in this hotel and then he'd

695
00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:19,480
Speaker 2: just been carried it. He had dinner with it, and

696
00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:21,680
Speaker 2: then he went back to it. I suppose his room

697
00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:25,400
Speaker 2: to like take aim at. It was outside of his window,

698
00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:28,719
Speaker 2: but it was like a nice hotel. Anyway, it's going down.

699
00:37:29,239 --> 00:37:32,840
Speaker 2: There's stuff going on in the European hotels, International finance.

700
00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:37,320
Speaker 2: So like Eric's is there. They're trotting him out and

701
00:37:37,719 --> 00:37:40,480
Speaker 2: they're like the North Koreans are asking him for stuff

702
00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:45,440
Speaker 2: like year shoes, shoes, literally, can I get a pair

703
00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:47,960
Speaker 2: of shoes? You got some extra shoes Adidas?

704
00:37:48,080 --> 00:37:48,920
Speaker 3: How about some balls?

705
00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:53,719
Speaker 2: And then they're like can you send us coaches? Coaches?

706
00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:58,440
Speaker 2: People actual not buses like people, and then like can

707
00:37:58,520 --> 00:38:01,840
Speaker 2: you make connections for us? And like King was like,

708
00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:05,160
Speaker 2: oh yeah, pay for all that stuff. So Ericson's promising

709
00:38:05,239 --> 00:38:08,000
Speaker 2: them all sorts of stuff. I'm totally going to hook

710
00:38:08,040 --> 00:38:11,320
Speaker 2: this up for you. So Erickson gets back and he

711
00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:16,320
Speaker 2: has no way to contact the North Koreans. King is

712
00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:19,720
Speaker 2: brushing him off. So like Ericson's going around setting stuff

713
00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:21,560
Speaker 2: up on his end, like Okay, I'm going to need

714
00:38:21,640 --> 00:38:22,759
Speaker 2: like eight pallets oft.

715
00:38:23,719 --> 00:38:25,200
Speaker 3: He's like if you guys get some shoes, Like.

716
00:38:26,239 --> 00:38:30,319
Speaker 2: He's like, when you're not shipping shoes to Elizabeth, United

717
00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:38,800
Speaker 2: States can from that? I have serious Adidas probably, I know.

718
00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:43,240
Speaker 2: And so Ericson's like setting everything up, but he's basically

719
00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:47,200
Speaker 2: forced to ghost the North Koreans because King and Willett

720
00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:49,000
Speaker 2: kept just like putting it off like yeah, yeah, yeah,

721
00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:49,480
Speaker 2: we'll get.

722
00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:52,879
Speaker 3: To that, and they're contacting him. Can North Koreans contact him?

723
00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:55,719
Speaker 2: No, So he's just how they're all supposed to. They

724
00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:59,960
Speaker 2: don't have his contact and he's just like m yeah.

725
00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:03,040
Speaker 2: And then the truth though, is that King trotted Erickson

726
00:39:03,120 --> 00:39:06,000
Speaker 2: out to North Korea in order to juice up the

727
00:39:06,120 --> 00:39:09,120
Speaker 2: deal they were trying to make with that phony mineral custy.

728
00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:09,920
Speaker 3: That's what I was figuring.

729
00:39:10,080 --> 00:39:14,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, so Ericson said, quote, I was in the palace

730
00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:16,840
Speaker 2: and they were handing over to the North Korean government

731
00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:19,800
Speaker 2: so called shares. I asked them how much that was,

732
00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:22,600
Speaker 2: because at the same time, we couldn't pay the milk

733
00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:25,200
Speaker 2: bill at Notts County. And what they told me was

734
00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:28,840
Speaker 2: not millions, it was billions of dollars. They used my

735
00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:32,640
Speaker 2: name at the end. It became a big, big mistake.

736
00:39:33,560 --> 00:39:36,160
Speaker 3: So he knows that they can't pay the milk bi.

737
00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:39,600
Speaker 2: They literally they could not pay. Someone came into Ericson's

738
00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:46,400
Speaker 2: office and we need and he's like, we don't have that.

739
00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:50,360
Speaker 2: So while in North Korea, king made a deal. The

740
00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:54,280
Speaker 2: communist leadership signed a contract to give that fake mineral

741
00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:58,040
Speaker 2: company the rights to mine the country's gold, oil and

742
00:39:58,200 --> 00:40:01,600
Speaker 2: iron ore Sure, why not? And then in return for

743
00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:06,160
Speaker 2: a billion dollars from Bahrain. Okay, So he's like again

744
00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:08,560
Speaker 2: I'm just the go between here. Oh yeah, And it

745
00:40:08,600 --> 00:40:10,960
Speaker 2: should be noted that the Kingdom of Bahrain had no

746
00:40:11,120 --> 00:40:12,680
Speaker 2: idea about any of this. I was guessing that.

747
00:40:12,719 --> 00:40:14,960
Speaker 3: And also I don't understand why North Korea would want

748
00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:18,080
Speaker 3: a billion dollars from Bahrain and not actual other resources.

749
00:40:18,280 --> 00:40:21,759
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, it's just so by the end of the year,

750
00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:24,919
Speaker 2: everything in Notts County is starting to fall apart. Thank god,

751
00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:28,160
Speaker 2: the press all over it. The details about how King

752
00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:30,759
Speaker 2: had duped a lot of big names and companies and

753
00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:33,200
Speaker 2: organizations is coming to light. It's making a lot of

754
00:40:33,239 --> 00:40:33,960
Speaker 2: people look bad.

755
00:40:34,040 --> 00:40:35,960
Speaker 3: The son is selling papers, oh yeah.

756
00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:39,719
Speaker 2: Hot ones, and then King he ran off to Bahrain.

757
00:40:40,600 --> 00:40:44,960
Speaker 2: Really so that part was some contact. So by the

758
00:40:45,040 --> 00:40:48,200
Speaker 2: beginning of the next year twenty ten, Bahrain they're like

759
00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:51,359
Speaker 2: not too pleased with their new residents, making us look

760
00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:54,040
Speaker 2: like a joke. Because like a Jersey based company called

761
00:40:54,120 --> 00:40:57,319
Speaker 2: Close Finance reached out to the Kingdom and asked them

762
00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:02,520
Speaker 2: to like get in information on King because he owed

763
00:41:02,600 --> 00:41:07,040
Speaker 2: two million pounds to them. And then you know, the

764
00:41:07,160 --> 00:41:13,600
Speaker 2: Jersey government like they they order King's assets frozen for

765
00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:16,200
Speaker 2: that two million Bahrain. They're happy to help.

766
00:41:16,520 --> 00:41:17,719
Speaker 3: They're like, we don't pay him.

767
00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:21,000
Speaker 2: Well, so they're like, okay, we'll set up a travel

768
00:41:21,080 --> 00:41:25,640
Speaker 2: ban so he can't leave Bahrain. And then they know

769
00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:28,640
Speaker 2: he's there. They know he's there and they'm go, this guy,

770
00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:31,480
Speaker 2: we can't give him. They want to keep them I

771
00:41:31,520 --> 00:41:34,960
Speaker 2: don't know, so he can't leave, and they freeze his

772
00:41:35,080 --> 00:41:38,120
Speaker 2: assets so that, you know, to get that two million.

773
00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:42,200
Speaker 2: And so remember he had the posh estate on Jersey.

774
00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:46,000
Speaker 2: If we had sold it, it would pay off that debt.

775
00:41:46,840 --> 00:41:49,719
Speaker 2: But he never had his name on anything, and the

776
00:41:49,840 --> 00:41:52,960
Speaker 2: house was owned by a trust of which he's the beneficiary.

777
00:41:53,520 --> 00:41:57,120
Speaker 2: The trust was managed by Barclays and they were pushing

778
00:41:57,200 --> 00:42:00,239
Speaker 2: back on selling the house to resolve the debt. So

779
00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:04,000
Speaker 2: King couldn't leave Bahrain, but it didn't stop him from

780
00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:09,560
Speaker 2: crafting new cons, this time in publishing, the lucrative world

781
00:42:09,640 --> 00:42:14,920
Speaker 2: of pub He wanted to get into publishing, so he

782
00:42:15,040 --> 00:42:18,200
Speaker 2: started something called Golf Digital. And this is all under

783
00:42:18,200 --> 00:42:20,880
Speaker 2: an alias of course. The first title that he had

784
00:42:21,040 --> 00:42:22,400
Speaker 2: was Food and Travel Arabia.

785
00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:25,720
Speaker 3: Oh but wait, this is like the too early twenty teens.

786
00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:28,239
Speaker 3: This is like peak BuzzFeed years. Like, oh, I've got

787
00:42:28,320 --> 00:42:30,640
Speaker 3: a digital empire. People are like, oh, yeah, we throw

788
00:42:30,719 --> 00:42:32,759
Speaker 3: money at that. We're gonna do one for the Golf

789
00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:33,520
Speaker 3: States or something.

790
00:42:33,640 --> 00:42:37,680
Speaker 2: Yeah. It's not journalism, yeah okay, yeah, it's basically advertising.

791
00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:38,000
Speaker 4: Yeah.

792
00:42:39,160 --> 00:42:42,360
Speaker 2: So the first title, Food and Travel Arabia. King starts

793
00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:45,760
Speaker 2: getting these like huge ad contracts and then free stuff

794
00:42:46,200 --> 00:42:49,959
Speaker 2: by massively inflating the circulation numbers. That was the play

795
00:42:50,680 --> 00:42:53,160
Speaker 2: that I was working for a while before they pivoted

796
00:42:53,200 --> 00:42:56,120
Speaker 2: the video. That was the move. So for a while

797
00:42:56,280 --> 00:42:58,920
Speaker 2: he tried to peddle a fake Middle Eastern version of

798
00:42:59,000 --> 00:42:59,919
Speaker 2: the Financial Time.

799
00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:01,919
Speaker 3: Okay, I figured that was something he tried.

800
00:43:02,120 --> 00:43:05,120
Speaker 2: He uses the prestige of the name Financial Times to

801
00:43:05,239 --> 00:43:08,480
Speaker 2: get big advertising contracts and then making all these deals

802
00:43:08,600 --> 00:43:13,120
Speaker 2: with UAE based luxury retail brands. He's a part owner

803
00:43:13,120 --> 00:43:16,600
Speaker 2: of a bank, and then like all these hospitality groups

804
00:43:16,640 --> 00:43:21,239
Speaker 2: for free stuff. They only released one issue of Financial

805
00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:23,160
Speaker 2: Times Arabia.

806
00:43:23,320 --> 00:43:25,320
Speaker 3: He's basically making an in flight magazine.

807
00:43:25,480 --> 00:43:29,800
Speaker 2: Yes, a scam completely on the internet. Yes, July twenty seventeen.

808
00:43:29,920 --> 00:43:32,080
Speaker 2: That's the one issue. None of the staff or the

809
00:43:32,120 --> 00:43:35,400
Speaker 2: freelancers ever got paid. And of course Financial Times had

810
00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:39,359
Speaker 2: nothing to do with Financial Times Business Arabia. This went

811
00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:43,280
Speaker 2: on for years his magazine scams. In March of twenty seventeen,

812
00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:47,759
Speaker 2: Food and Travel Arabia hosted the Food and Travel GCC

813
00:43:47,960 --> 00:43:51,680
Speaker 2: Awards at a five star hotel in Dubai. It was

814
00:43:51,719 --> 00:43:55,200
Speaker 2: this like lavish affair. All these top industry professionals are there,

815
00:43:56,239 --> 00:43:59,480
Speaker 2: Junket City, Russell King's wife, and I don't have a

816
00:43:59,520 --> 00:44:00,959
Speaker 2: lot of info on her either.

817
00:44:01,320 --> 00:44:01,480
Speaker 3: Did.

818
00:44:03,680 --> 00:44:10,360
Speaker 2: She attended the gala, introduced herself as Francesca Jackson phenomenal

819
00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:14,279
Speaker 2: fake names. Jessica Jackson's great. It sounds like it's near money. Yeah,

820
00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:18,000
Speaker 2: the King, he was usually like, his aliases at this

821
00:44:18,080 --> 00:44:22,759
Speaker 2: point are Barry Appleby wow, yeah, or John Taylor, not

822
00:44:23,120 --> 00:44:24,719
Speaker 2: John Taylor of Duran Durant.

823
00:44:24,560 --> 00:44:26,440
Speaker 3: Or John Taylor of the San Francisco forty nine ers.

824
00:44:26,560 --> 00:44:28,480
Speaker 2: Right, so we each have our own John Taylor, our

825
00:44:28,520 --> 00:44:32,520
Speaker 2: personal John Taylor. That's not it, not Jonathan Taylor Thomas

826
00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:37,080
Speaker 2: of what actually was? He was like, hello, Jonathan Taylor Thomas,

827
00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:39,560
Speaker 2: But Jonathan Taylor's one of those you're just striking a deal.

828
00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:40,960
Speaker 2: Sounds like, oh, yes.

829
00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:43,400
Speaker 3: He once again is near money, comes from money, but

830
00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:47,480
Speaker 3: also is not really memorable. You're like, it's John Taylor Thompson.

831
00:44:47,600 --> 00:44:50,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's it's it is, it's it's not memorable.

832
00:44:50,320 --> 00:44:52,839
Speaker 2: But also when you put the three names, I start

833
00:44:52,920 --> 00:44:53,920
Speaker 2: thinking serial killer.

834
00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:57,120
Speaker 3: That's true, there's that too, but he means the two, right,

835
00:44:57,160 --> 00:44:58,640
Speaker 3: Jonathan John Taylor.

836
00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:03,160
Speaker 2: John Taylor, Yeah, he is Barry Applebee, which is also great.

837
00:45:03,239 --> 00:45:06,879
Speaker 2: So when we go on junkets, you have to check

838
00:45:06,920 --> 00:45:10,280
Speaker 2: into hotels. Is Barry Applebee and I'll be Francesca Jackson.

839
00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:14,080
Speaker 2: All right, that's the deal, deal Apple and then producer

840
00:45:14,160 --> 00:45:18,960
Speaker 2: Dave's John Taylor, not of Duran Duran. So the hotel

841
00:45:19,560 --> 00:45:24,239
Speaker 2: loved Francesca Jackson. They just fantastic, seems fun. Oh she was.

842
00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:27,080
Speaker 2: She was a brassy lady. They loved her. So they

843
00:45:27,160 --> 00:45:29,480
Speaker 2: loved her so much that they signed a barter agreement

844
00:45:29,560 --> 00:45:32,719
Speaker 2: with Golf Digital for goods and services worth nearly eighty

845
00:45:32,760 --> 00:45:35,400
Speaker 2: thousand dollars, just like right there on the spot, and

846
00:45:35,520 --> 00:45:39,680
Speaker 2: the hotel covered the costs of the award scala and

847
00:45:40,320 --> 00:45:43,400
Speaker 2: the several VIP rooms, so like they didn't have to

848
00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:47,400
Speaker 2: pay for anything food and travel. Arabia reciprocated by awarding

849
00:45:47,480 --> 00:45:51,200
Speaker 2: them the best destination hotel and also best casual chic

850
00:45:51,280 --> 00:45:52,800
Speaker 2: restaurant during the ceremony.

851
00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:57,160
Speaker 3: I'm look confused that the whole gala event decided her

852
00:45:57,239 --> 00:45:59,680
Speaker 3: presence was a gift and basically paid for everything for

853
00:45:59,760 --> 00:46:01,600
Speaker 3: her and they went and won stuff too.

854
00:46:01,960 --> 00:46:06,320
Speaker 2: Yeah okay, yeah, so King he lived in Bahrain for

855
00:46:06,440 --> 00:46:09,440
Speaker 2: more than a decade and he was just being slippery

856
00:46:09,480 --> 00:46:11,520
Speaker 2: and getting all sorts of money and gifts and special

857
00:46:11,600 --> 00:46:15,080
Speaker 2: treatment for little or nothing. But then in twenty eighteen

858
00:46:15,200 --> 00:46:18,560
Speaker 2: he gets extradited to the UK for that Jersey stuff.

859
00:46:19,480 --> 00:46:20,440
Speaker 3: They don't mess with Jersey.

860
00:46:21,160 --> 00:46:23,520
Speaker 2: So he was charged in the Jersey Royal Court with

861
00:46:23,800 --> 00:46:26,759
Speaker 2: twenty five counts of fraud and larceny. And this is

862
00:46:26,840 --> 00:46:29,080
Speaker 2: going back to the two thousand and eight stuff. Crown

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Speaker 2: Advocate Matthew Jowett said the misappropriation was quote something in

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Speaker 2: the order of sixteen million pounds. Oh, yeah, that's a misappropriation.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: April twenty nineteen, he pleaded guilty and got sentenced to

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Speaker 2: six years imprisonment for stealing six hundred and seventy thousand

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Speaker 2: pounds from Belgravia.

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Speaker 4: So much.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's how much they could track.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, when he bled them out, you're saying right, so.

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Speaker 2: Much money was taken out. The court heard that liquidators

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Speaker 2: were left with just sixty four thousand pounds in the

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Speaker 2: firm's accounts when all was said and done of sixteen million,

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Speaker 2: and they were only able to pay creditors four point

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Speaker 2: two pence for every pound they were owed. Yeah. Four

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Speaker 2: months later he also got in order to pay back

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Speaker 2: three hundred and twenty thousand pounds or get more jail time.

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Speaker 2: He got out in twenty twenty one. Wow. Yeah, it's

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Speaker 2: important to note that he's only ever been arrested in

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Speaker 2: charge for the Belgravia case, nothing else that I told

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Speaker 2: you about.

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Speaker 3: It's like they want to incentivize criminals to only go

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Speaker 3: for this type of crime because you don't get punished

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Speaker 3: for this type of crime. It's like, look, don't go

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Speaker 3: in robbing banks with guns. Go up and rob my

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Speaker 3: rich friends and we won't do anything about it.

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Speaker 2: Exactly. There's a really good BBC documentary Panorama, you know that,

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Speaker 2: Like that's like their sixty minutes, like their investigative reporting.

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Speaker 2: That panorama there's like a thirty minute overview the whole

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Speaker 2: thing called the Trillion Dollar con Man, and you get

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Speaker 2: like they track him down and do the old school

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Speaker 2: Mike Wallace door shove a camera in your Field's so good?

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Speaker 2: But yeah, are you when the children were abandoned? That

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Speaker 2: one's before he got he got arrested. But it's it's

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Speaker 2: it's awesome. It's really good. Anyway.

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Speaker 3: All I know is Path TV or Path films that

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Speaker 3: the documentaries I know, Yes, British it's really old.

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Speaker 2: It's good panorama, IM right in that panorama, Zaren, What

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Speaker 2: is your ridiculous takeaway?

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Speaker 3: I mean I kind of just like tripped into it

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Speaker 3: a second their back which is basically still big. I mean,

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Speaker 3: it's kind of ridiculous that that is the message from

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Speaker 3: the world of jurisprudence and crime. But it's the only

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Speaker 3: thing I garner from all these stories is well, if

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Speaker 3: you're going to do it, rob the biggest company and

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Speaker 3: then bleed it dry and then act like, well, what

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Speaker 3: could I do? Talk to a lawyer, and they just

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Speaker 3: keep doing that, and people are like, oh, what can

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Speaker 3: we do? Yeah, because I mean like you might get

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Speaker 3: eighteen months here or there. I mean you may have

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Speaker 3: to do maybe some people don't want to talk to

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Speaker 3: you at the next Derby Days, but other than that,

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Speaker 3: it seems like you'll be fine.

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Speaker 2: My ridiculous I'm really like fascinated by how you can

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Speaker 2: throw out any kind of like mildly Middle Eastern thing

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Speaker 2: and everyone's just like, oh, big money, they got money,

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Speaker 2: I'll take it the sands. Yeah, And they don't think,

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Speaker 2: they don't think to contact anyone.

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Speaker 3: They buy into what they expect foolishness with the money.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, just yeah, exactly, just extravagant spending the money into

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Speaker 2: a failing footbook.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Interesting, And so that's my takeaway. You know what else, though,

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Speaker 2: help me? I U right now, I think we're on

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Speaker 2: the same page. What is it, mister Applebee? Talk back?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I hi.

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Speaker 7: I wanted to tell you guys about my coworker who

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Speaker 7: has a Pokemon side hustle where he uses the ct

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Speaker 7: X ray scanner to look at inside unopened Pokemon card

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Speaker 7: packs and then he can maximize resale value by either

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Speaker 7: selling the unopened packs with nothing good or opening up

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Speaker 7: the ones with rare cards and selling those individually. And

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Speaker 7: I think that's ridiculous.

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Speaker 2: Oh wow, that's amazing. That's pretty cool. Think about all

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Speaker 2: the people who either a have to wait forever to

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Speaker 2: get into a point where CT scan or get charged

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Speaker 2: through the nose by their you know, it's not covered

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Speaker 2: by insurance. And this guy's scanning Pokemon acts.

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Speaker 3: I don't know for certain, but CT is the chromatomography

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Speaker 3: right then, So it's like the three D and they're

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Speaker 3: using positrons, which means they're using like antimatter they're using

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Speaker 3: he's using antimatter to see through Pokemon cards.

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Speaker 2: I love that. I both love it and hate it.

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Speaker 3: I know you too.

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