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Speaker 2: We've got our show and the info is an antidote.

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Speaker 2: But we also have a couple books coming out, Clay.

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Speaker 1: Mine's called Balls, How Trump young men in sports saved America.

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Speaker 2: And mine is manufacturing delusion how the Left uses brainwashing,

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Speaker 2: indoctrination and propaganda against you.

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Speaker 3: Both are great reads.

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Speaker 1: One might even say they would make fabulous gifts.

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Speaker 2: Indeed, so do us a solid and pre order yours

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Speaker 2: on Amazon today. Welcome in, everybody to the Tuesday edition

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Speaker 2: of The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show, coming to

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Speaker 2: you live from NYC. You're here in New York City.

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Speaker 2: Clay has quite about this afternoon. Indeed, mister Stephen A. Smith,

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Speaker 2: they are going to be having a debate, and as

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Speaker 2: We will not in any way, in any way seed

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Speaker 2: guys are going to have a pretty cordial but feisty exchange.

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Speaker 2: But we've got a lot of news to dive into here,

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Speaker 2: and we've got updates. Well, first of all, Trump is

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Speaker 2: talking about Pam BONDI a deal on TikTok, which I'm

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Speaker 3: We shouldn't get rid of it. Now.

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Speaker 2: Everybody likes it. Now all of a sudden, it's fine

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Speaker 2: Trump likes it. Everybody likes it because there's ways to

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Speaker 2: make it not Now. I know you were saying all along, well,

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Speaker 2: looks like there is also spoke on Gaza JD vance

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Speaker 2: JD absolutely nailed it. He's a very impressive guy, a

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Speaker 2: get to that more on the Memphis crime crackdown that

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Speaker 2: this point, which is pretty stunning, pretty outrageous. But let's

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Speaker 4: There is no unity with people who scream at children

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Speaker 3: Two hundred and fifty years.

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Speaker 2: I think Clay he absolutely nails it. But also the

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Speaker 1: If Barack Obama had had an ear clipped by a

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Speaker 3: Free speech event.

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Speaker 1: Is there any way at all that the left would

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I'm not willing to say we have a

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Speaker 1: No one out there is calling Mom Donnie Hitler. Nobody

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Speaker 2: Well, there are people, there are streamers. You know, there's

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Speaker 2: to me as well, Clay that during the Biden administration,

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Speaker 2: being transparent and letting people know when they knew or

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Speaker 2: you know. The problem with that was they were all.

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Speaker 2: I'm not they were all, but the FBI was in

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Speaker 2: on that whole scam. So there was just a lack

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Speaker 2: of faith. So I think the efforts at transparency, putting

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Speaker 2: information out sooner, that comes from a good place for

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Speaker 2: director Patel. But there were some missteps, perhaps in the

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Speaker 2: way the information was shared, because for example, we all

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Speaker 2: thought that they had the guy in custody and they didn't,

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Speaker 2: and that that probably shouldn't happen.

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Speaker 1: Also, I think he's seeing all of the lies that

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Speaker 1: are being spread on the left about the motivations of

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Speaker 1: this shooter. Maybe at the top of the next hour,

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Speaker 1: we'll dive into some more of this.

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Speaker 3: There is, I believe right.

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Speaker 1: Now, a calculated attempt on the left in this country

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Speaker 1: because they recognize that normal people out there are saying,

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Speaker 1: wait a minute, there's a lot of people celebrating this murder,

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Speaker 1: and there is a lot of left wing violence in

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Speaker 1: the wake of the shooting at the Nashville school and

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Speaker 1: the wake of the shooting at the Minneapolis school. And

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Speaker 1: you can be a left wing malcatin, but his motivations

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Speaker 1: this shooter appears to have clearly been fueled by left

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Speaker 1: wing attacks on Charlie Kirk, on Donald Trump, on people

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Speaker 1: like you and me as Hitler and Nazis and fascists

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Speaker 1: and all of these things. And so I think they're

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Speaker 1: trying to intentionally confuse people as to where these motivations

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Speaker 1: are coming from. So I think the goal of Cash

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Speaker 1: Bettel and Dan Bongino is to try to get the

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Speaker 1: truth out.

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Speaker 2: Well, that's I mean, that's absolutely what's going on. There's

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Speaker 2: an intentional effort by the media so that they can

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Speaker 2: avoid the ideological accountability of because remember they were they

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Speaker 2: have been saying stuff CNN, The New York Times, Washington Post.

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Speaker 2: You know, the biggest Democrat aligned media outlets. We don't

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Speaker 2: really get cinison. We used to call them mainstream media.

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Speaker 2: We got rid of that because why do we say

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Speaker 2: their mainstream right, And then it was legacy media, but

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Speaker 2: that felt a little too exalted for them. We don't

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Speaker 2: have really a good term for I don't know, maybe

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Speaker 2: lib media. My point though, is they have been saying

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Speaker 2: stuff Clay for years that if somebody really believed, the

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Speaker 2: gap between reading this stuff and thinking that you need

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Speaker 2: to take imminent action is far too small. If somebody

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Speaker 2: says that the president is a Nazi, the White House

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Speaker 2: is full of white supremacists, there's not going to be

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Speaker 2: another election, and they're going to be marching, you know,

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Speaker 2: they're going to be marching you off into you know,

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Speaker 2: some kind of camps because you're a Democrat. Whatever the

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Speaker 2: crazy stuff that they say, fascism. They use the term

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Speaker 2: fascism all the time. The people that say that, by

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Speaker 2: the way, I think, just have very little understanding of

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Speaker 2: what a fascistic society is.

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Speaker 4: Like.

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Speaker 2: One thing that's not true in fascism is you get

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Speaker 2: more famous and more money in the media if you

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Speaker 2: are bashing the regime all the time, and that it's

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Speaker 2: like a good at least it was previously for them

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Speaker 2: a good strategy. But I think that they the mains.

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Speaker 2: This is the big the big difference when they do

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Speaker 2: the both sides is thing the mainstream thinking among the

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Speaker 2: Democrat Party when it comes to Trump Maga, all of

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Speaker 2: it is extreme and delusional. And you can say on

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Speaker 2: the right there are people who have said nasty things

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Speaker 2: here or there, but they are fringe. They do not

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Speaker 2: have they do not have power. They are not you

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Speaker 2: know in the uh you know, the this the center

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Speaker 2: of the decision making of the conservative or the right

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Speaker 2: wing movement in this country. And that's where there's just

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Speaker 2: an there's just a hugely obvious difference, and we won't.

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Speaker 2: I was talking to Clay like, do we want to

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Speaker 2: play these guys? Are not there? These left wing streamers

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Speaker 2: on Discord. So just so I'm understand this, and now

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Speaker 2: Discord is where he was having the shooter Discord. Discord

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Speaker 2: is a chat room, but it goes simultaneously to video

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Speaker 2: game playings.

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Speaker 1: So my understanding, because my boys are active, is Discord

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Speaker 1: you can create group chats, and the group chats on

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Speaker 1: Discord are basically private message boards that can be very

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Speaker 1: large or you could create a discord group chat for say,

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Speaker 1: your family and friends, where everybody can communicate. My understanding

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Speaker 1: is that he was active in trans related discord group chats,

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Speaker 1: which some of which can be very substantial in scope.

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Speaker 1: What is different is again this is me trying to

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Speaker 1: dive into the Internet here and explain differences. Reddit is

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Speaker 1: basically an online message board where everybody can see what

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Speaker 1: is posted, and there are all these different.

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Speaker 2: Like this is like a private I think I might

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Speaker 2: be thinking of Twitch.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you're thinking of Twitch, which is a video streaming

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Speaker 1: service that largely is featuring people playing video games.

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Speaker 2: So people watch. This is amazing because I actually and

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Speaker 2: during co I admit this, I started playing some video

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Speaker 2: games again. I kind of like Call of Duty.

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Speaker 3: I like.

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Speaker 2: But the idea that I would sit there and watch

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Speaker 2: somebody else play video games is it's just that makes

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Speaker 2: no sense to me at all.

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Speaker 3: But this is a big Oh.

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Speaker 2: The communities that do this are huge online.

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Speaker 1: My boys love to watch video games be played. Now

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Speaker 1: they would say, this is how you learn how to

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Speaker 1: do things on the games, because these guys are super skilled,

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Speaker 1: whether it's at playing mad and Fifa or Roadblocks and

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Speaker 1: Fortnite and all these different things. And I asked my

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Speaker 1: boys about that, and they said, well, Dad, you watch

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Speaker 1: a lot of sports, and that's just other people playing sports.

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Speaker 1: Why is it weird to watch people play video games?

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Speaker 1: And I was like, oh, you know, so interesting argument.

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Speaker 1: You and I generation we didn't have the ability to

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Speaker 1: watch other people play video games. This is actually an outgrowth.

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Speaker 1: The thing that was crazy to me that they would

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Speaker 1: watch is other kids opening presence.

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Speaker 3: But this is clearly is their generation.

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Speaker 2: The hard left of gen Z. This is kind of

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Speaker 2: where they're on Discord and this Twitch thing, and they

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Speaker 2: have people that are have become very prominent with large followings,

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Speaker 2: who are really bad dudes, and they're in this part

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Speaker 2: of the internet, like Clay and I've never been on Twitch.

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Speaker 2: I've never been on Discord, I you know, and I

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Speaker 2: barely have ever heard the same For me. I've ever

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Speaker 2: used Reddit. I've had to come up and search. But

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Speaker 2: these other things, this is this is a place where

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Speaker 2: radicalism of the left is thrive, is thriving on the Internet.

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Speaker 2: And that's really what I think is.

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Speaker 1: Reddit is maybe the furthest left wing of all of

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Speaker 1: the social media sites on the Internet.

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Speaker 3: And you might say, well, why do I care.

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Speaker 1: Reddit is one of the top sources now for AI.

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Speaker 1: Information that sounds scary, but if you're worried about what

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Speaker 1: the information that is inputed. And Reddit is a a

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Speaker 2: All right, welcome back in to Clay and Buck. We've

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Speaker 2: got an update on a different assassination case than the

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Speaker 2: one we've been very focused on the last few days,

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Speaker 2: the Luigi Mangione case, the alleged assassin of the United

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Speaker 2: Healthcare CEO, and this one to updates well, update you

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Speaker 2: on what happened, and then you'll hear about what it

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Speaker 2: sounded like outside the courthouse here in New York where

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Speaker 2: we are for this week. A judge is thrown out

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Speaker 2: the top counts in Luigi Mangio Andie State murder case,

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Speaker 2: rejecting claims the accused killer can be charged as a

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Speaker 2: terrorist and a huge blow to prosecutors. Judge Gregory Carrow

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Speaker 2: tossed charges of murder in the first degree as an

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Speaker 2: active terrorism and murder in the second degree is an

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Speaker 2: active terrorism against the twenty seven year old. He did

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Speaker 2: keep alive the other second degree murder charge for allegedly

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Speaker 2: executing United Healthcare CEO Brian Thompson on December fourth of

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty four. Let me see, the people presented sufficient

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Speaker 2: evidence that defended murder Brian Thompson. That does not mean

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Speaker 2: the defendant did so with terroristic intent. Okay, so this

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Speaker 2: judge is a moron. Yes, so the judge is a moron.

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Speaker 3: That was quick.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the judge is an idiot. And speaking of idiots,

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Speaker 2: here is outside the courthouse when the top counts were

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Speaker 2: dropped against this guy. This is what it sounded like

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Speaker 2: to a bunch of people, from a bunch of people gathered.

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Speaker 2: I have a lot of feelings about this claive. One

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Speaker 2: thing is, you know, the whole both sides. Is them

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Speaker 2: not a single Trump voter in that crowd? I can

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Speaker 2: assure you not one. It's all leftists, all Democrats.

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Speaker 1: Well, this is where I think a lot of us

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Speaker 1: and I'll put myself in this camp, became aware of

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Speaker 1: the uniquely toxic environment on the left. When just down

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Speaker 1: the road from where we are doing our show, you

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Speaker 1: can almost see the location of this assassination of the

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Speaker 1: United Healthcare CEO. A lot of people defended it on

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Speaker 1: the left and said, well, insurance companies are really frustrating,

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Speaker 1: so the CEO should have expected that he might get

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Speaker 1: killed and even said it's a good thing. And they

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Speaker 1: tried to turn Luigi and Angeoni into a heart throb

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Speaker 1: because remember it took multiple days to catch him because

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Speaker 1: he had done the shooting wearing a mask and immediately fled.

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Speaker 1: There's the bike racks right outside the front of this

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Speaker 1: buil where he grabbed a bike and then vanished.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we're right here in midtown near where the assassination occurred,

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Speaker 2: so we know that street very well. And I just

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Speaker 2: I think about one the assassin of Charlie Kirk, him

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Speaker 2: and his We we'll talk more also about they're looking

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Speaker 2: into who else knew and what did they know, and

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Speaker 2: was anyone aiding in a betting in any way. We'll

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Speaker 2: get to that in the third hour. But Clay, they

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Speaker 2: certainly were aware of these in the Discord chats which

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Speaker 2: I was learning about with Discord is certainly we're aware

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Speaker 2: of Luigi.

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Speaker 3: And wasn't the joke.

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Speaker 2: Wasn't there a joke made, you know, don't go to

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Speaker 2: a McDonald's or something among them, because that's where Luigi

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Speaker 2: got caught. I think, yeah, that's right, McDonald He.

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Speaker 1: just again there to your point, there is no equivalent

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Speaker 3: I can't remember a situation like this where we've seen

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Speaker 1: Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all

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Speaker 1: of you hanging out with us. We are here in

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Speaker 1: New York City.

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Speaker 3: Down in DC.

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Speaker 1: Cash Battel, director of the FBI is testifying on Capitol Hill,

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Speaker 1: and this came.

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Speaker 3: Out a little bit earlier.

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Speaker 1: Senator Josh Hally of Missouri was asking cash Battel, Hey,

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Speaker 1: we know that this one guy has been arrested, that

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Speaker 1: he is a left wing zealot, and there are lots

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Speaker 1: of suggestions out there that many people in the trans

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Speaker 1: community may well have known that this attack was coming,

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Speaker 1: based on different social media posts, different activity out there.

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Speaker 1: The investigation is ongoing, but this question cut forty I

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Speaker 1: believe is from Senator Josh Holly and Missouri for Cash Battel.

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Speaker 1: Listen to the answer here.

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Speaker 8: It is in terms of what we do for an

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Speaker 8: interrogation perspective, we go and reach out to the family

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Speaker 8: and community immediately, and we've conducted those investigations and interrogations

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Speaker 8: with local law enforcement, and we're continuing to do that

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Speaker 8: because those closest to the suspect are going to hopefully

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Speaker 8: know the most about the suspect and his beliefs and

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Speaker 8: his ideology. On top of that, unfortunately has been leaked

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Speaker 8: that there was a discord chat and for those unfamiliar

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Speaker 8: with it, it's a gaming chat room online that the suspect

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Speaker 8: participated in. So what we're doing, we've already done, is

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Speaker 8: sort of legal process, not just on discord, so that

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Speaker 8: the information we gathered is sustained and held in a

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Speaker 8: evidentiary posture that we could use in prosecution should it

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Speaker 8: be decided to do so. And we're also going to

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Speaker 8: be investigating anyone and everyone involved in that discord chat.

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Speaker 5: Okay, very good. I see to public reports that the

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Speaker 5: discord thread had as many as twenty additional users. It

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Speaker 5: sounds like you're trying to run down all of that

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Speaker 5: to see if that's accurate. Who else may have been

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Speaker 5: on that thread, what they may have known.

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Speaker 3: Is that fair to.

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Speaker 8: Say it's a lot more than that, and we're running

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Speaker 8: them all down.

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Speaker 3: It's a lot more than twenty. Yes, and you're running

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Speaker 3: all of that too, every single one. Okay.

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Speaker 1: So one of the challenges here, Buck, and again that's

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Speaker 1: Cash Bettel responding today testifying on Capitol Hill, is going

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Speaker 1: to be did people know or did they not know

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Speaker 1: about this plan? Because there are a lot of social

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Speaker 1: media posts saying that something was going to happen to

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Speaker 1: Charlie Kirk on that day. Now, what we don't know, Buck,

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Speaker 1: to be fair, is Charlie Kirk speaks all over the place.

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Speaker 1: Our posts like this comment, in other words, were death

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Speaker 1: threats against Charlie Kirk so common that people regularly said, Oh,

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Speaker 1: something's going to happen to Charlie when he speaks at

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Speaker 1: this location or that location. I'm sure the FBI is

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Speaker 1: looking into it, but the trans universe out there, that is,

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Speaker 1: the people that are connected to this trans individual that

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Speaker 1: the alleged killer was living with, seems fairly substantial, and

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Speaker 1: many of those people very active, and they tried to

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Speaker 1: scrub a lot of the commentary by deleting accounts and

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Speaker 1: by deleting comments that were posted. It's going to be

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Speaker 1: a big part of this investigation, I think, to find

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Speaker 1: out how many people might have been involved or had

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Speaker 1: pre existing knowledge of this assassination attempt.

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Speaker 2: They're going to look at everything they can and get

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Speaker 2: into these discord chats. The thing about all these electronic

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Speaker 2: communications is that people think that their security on them,

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Speaker 2: meaning you can say things and the authorities won't find out. No,

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Speaker 2: they can get into it, and they will. They'll get

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Speaker 2: into all these different servers and see what was said,

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Speaker 2: and they'll also I think chase down additional needs as well.

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Speaker 2: There's been discussion from Cash, but tell about funding for

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Speaker 2: this incident or anything similar to it, any left wing

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Speaker 2: terrorism that is out there. They want to see who

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Speaker 2: is funding this stuff. I think that's also very important.

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Speaker 2: Cash saying that we are, in essence, we are going

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Speaker 2: to here you go. Actually, this is cut one. Would

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Speaker 2: you guys play this one for me? I wanted to

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Speaker 2: pull this one up. Here's Cash saying they're gonna go

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Speaker 2: wherever the money takes them.

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Speaker 8: I've always said we follow the money, and whether it's

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Speaker 8: terrorism or a tax based on ideology or a tax

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Speaker 8: on institutions of faith or people of faith, someone's paying

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Speaker 8: for it, and we are reverse tracing those steps. We

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Speaker 8: are not stopping at the perpetrator themselves. We are reverse

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Speaker 8: engineering to hold those accountable in our investigations to who

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Speaker 8: funded them and knowingly funded them, and we will bring

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Speaker 8: the appropriate steps against them with our partners at DJ.

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Speaker 2: So that's interesting. Follow the money, terrorism or tax based

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Speaker 2: on ideology, someone is paying for it. Is he speaking

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Speaker 2: Clay you think just in general about these kinds of

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Speaker 2: violent incidents, or is there something about this one in

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Speaker 2: particular because the rifle that was used, you notice there's

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Speaker 2: not much of a talk about gun control, because of course,

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Speaker 2: now if you try to ban this rifle, you're banning

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Speaker 2: I mean, this is basically an old school bolt action

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Speaker 2: hunting rifle. Is essentially the murder weapon that was used here,

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Speaker 2: the assassination weapon that was used. So that's not you know,

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Speaker 2: there's nothing about that that is expensive or sophisticated or

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Speaker 2: out of the ordinary. I think it's interesting. I'm not

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Speaker 2: sure if Cash is just speaking about this to set

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Speaker 2: a general tone that for any of these incidents and

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Speaker 2: if there's going to be in the future, let's say

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Speaker 2: Antifah or Trantifa riots and neighborhoods, are they being funded

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Speaker 2: by some of these shadowy carv outs that have tie

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Speaker 2: ins to anybody funded by Soros or whatever it may be,

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Speaker 2: Or is there something about this that they're specifically looking

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Speaker 2: at a money trails for him to bring this up.

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Speaker 2: I just think it's interesting that he's talking about money

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Speaker 2: in this incident, whether whether there's anything that they've seen

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Speaker 2: that makes them think because they're looking for co conspirators,

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Speaker 2: they're looking for people that knew they're looking at all

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Speaker 2: these different aspects of it. I wouldn't think the logistics

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Speaker 2: of this would require financing. Really, it's not like you know,

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Speaker 2: jihatas terrorists you have to get Maybe they're getting fake

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Speaker 2: passports and they're getting plane tickets and they're coming over

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Speaker 2: here or whatever. But there is stuff we clearly don't

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Speaker 2: know yet, and that even the FBI doesn't know they're

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Speaker 2: trying to chase down.

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Speaker 1: Isn't it interesting to a large extent that the mass

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Speaker 1: protests have not existed for year one of Trump. I

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Speaker 1: know there have been some. They had that one No

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Speaker 1: King's Day or whatever it was, but it's kind of

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Speaker 1: a bad, sad exclamation, kind of a dud the anti

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Speaker 1: Trump protests on inauguration Day. You and I have talked

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Speaker 1: about being in the midst of those and how sad

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Speaker 1: and muted they felt.

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Speaker 3: It was cold.

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Speaker 2: We want to give those old ladies a cup of

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Speaker 2: hot coca. Yeah, I just I felt like they needed

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Speaker 2: bigger coats. Their purple hair was turning into icicles. It

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Speaker 2: was sad out there.

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Speaker 1: I walked into Fox News today and there were eight

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Speaker 1: or so bedraggled protesters, all seventy five or older, standing

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Speaker 1: outside of Fox News protesting. It is to me somewhat

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Speaker 1: intriguing that all of the counter protests to Trump have

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Speaker 1: kind of dried up. And the reason why I wonder

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Speaker 1: is did BLM did a lot of people suddenly realize

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Speaker 1: that they were going to get looked into in a

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Speaker 1: real way, because remember how suspicious it always was. Some

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Speaker 1: dump truck would pull up and suddenly there would just

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Speaker 1: be bricks that were able to be picked up in

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Speaker 1: two by fours and other objects of violence that just

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Speaker 1: materialized for everybody. There are a lot of paid protesters.

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Speaker 1: I think a lot of us have come to recognize

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Speaker 1: But it does feel like those overall, what they tried

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Speaker 1: to label organic protests, have suddenly vanished.

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Speaker 3: In Trump two points, it.

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Speaker 2: Was clearly a rental mob phenomenon that had occurred in

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Speaker 2: previous left wing protests. I think that's definitely the case.

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Speaker 2: I also think that now when they look at the

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Speaker 2: places where this stuff is being organized and planned out,

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Speaker 2: it is in places like these discord chats. This has

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Speaker 2: become And I think the perfect example is neither you

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Speaker 2: nor I, who are very Internet aware and active, are

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Speaker 2: on discord or doing any of this stuff, certainly not

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Speaker 2: on Twitch. But if you were to think about where

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Speaker 2: do people in Antifa, and where do those kinds of

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Speaker 2: radicals find each other. I mean, I go back play

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Speaker 2: to the old Jihattis chat room. This was something that

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Speaker 2: for a long time and a lot of the counter

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Speaker 2: terrorism investigations of the call it the twenty tens around there.

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Speaker 2: It all started with people who found each other. This

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Speaker 2: is now Jihattas terrorism we're talking about. But they found

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Speaker 2: each other on a chat and then maybe they started

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Speaker 2: attending the same mosque, they'd try to go to a

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Speaker 2: more radical mosque, and then maybe they would start doing

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Speaker 2: a little bit of firearms training together or talking about

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Speaker 2: how to build a bomb, and they would share articles

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Speaker 2: from Inspire, which was al Qaiding the Arabian Peninsula's propaganda

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Speaker 2: arms slash, telling people go go do terror attacks. Here's

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Speaker 2: how you do it, right. But they were finding people

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Speaker 2: in these chatterms at the point and that, and then

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Speaker 2: it became very clear over time FBI and other entities

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Speaker 2: are very actively monitoring any terrorist conspiracies going on there,

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Speaker 2: and I think that they're going to find a lot

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Speaker 2: of really scary and very likely illegal stuff being discussed

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Speaker 2: when they start to look at the because these things

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Speaker 2: tend to be linked to each other, right, this group

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Speaker 2: is talking. Maybe this group also has this other group

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Speaker 2: and they communicate in this online ecosystem.

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Speaker 1: Well, I think what you're going to find with Discord

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Speaker 1: and I know a lot of you are not hyper

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Speaker 1: online necessarily listening to us, but you basically have a

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Speaker 1: series of private message boards. And I think when they

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Speaker 1: now know that this Discord group chat that cash Betel

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Speaker 1: referenced exists, I think there's going to be a lot

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Speaker 1: of people saying, wait a minute, to what extent should

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Speaker 1: Discord chats?

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Speaker 3: Right?

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Speaker 1: Like again, I understand this is getting into weeds a

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Speaker 1: little bit for some of you. But Reddit is a

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Speaker 1: public forum. Twitter is a public forum. That is, everybody

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Speaker 1: can see what is posted on these So if.

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Speaker 2: You or are tweeting at somebody, hey, let's get the

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Speaker 2: rental mob together to go, uh, you know, go bash

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Speaker 2: some windows down at this place at this time, guess

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Speaker 2: who else is seeing at the cops and everybody.

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Speaker 1: Else so that they can track. But I wonder to

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Speaker 1: what extent there's going to be questions now raised about

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Speaker 1: private message board servers in Discord and the conversations that

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Speaker 1: are being facilitated inside of that marketplace. Is that because

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Speaker 1: it's bringing strangers together.

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Speaker 2: And well, this is what I mean about the old

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Speaker 2: the old school jihatas chat rooms. Yes, this is where

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Speaker 2: people would find each other on that's right, and then

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Speaker 2: that's the form that would be the formation of the

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Speaker 2: cell or the formation of the sort of radicalization process

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Speaker 2: would start there and then things would follow trut to that,

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Speaker 2: then the action would come instead of the old school

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Speaker 2: chat room, which you know. Now, it's this specifically, these

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Speaker 2: Discord servers. So I wonder how much of an investigation

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Speaker 2: is going to go on here? And I think you're

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Speaker 2: raising good interesting questions.

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Speaker 1: Which are how much of these private conversations in a

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Speaker 1: public forum Discord is a company that is hosting and

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Speaker 1: making money off of these, how much of them are

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Speaker 1: incredibly toxic?

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Speaker 3: And how many of them are criminal in nature? Uh?

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Speaker 1: And what is the responsibility of Discord when it comes

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Speaker 1: to monitoring in some way those conversations and or for

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Speaker 1: authorities to monitor those conversations?

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Speaker 2: I wonder what kind of uh, what do they call

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Speaker 2: it when they know they have the people like moderating?

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Speaker 2: Thank you moderating. Because Facebook and these and these other

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Speaker 2: major platforms have gotten far more savvy about moderation they've

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Speaker 2: they've had to, but they also i'm sure, using not

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Speaker 2: just algorithms but AI increasingly to do this stuff. Discord

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Speaker 2: maybe kind of the Wild West a little bit. That's

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Speaker 2: the sense you get, right. It may be almost like

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Speaker 2: and anything goes in this chat room, and these people

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Speaker 2: feel like no one else is going to see this

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Speaker 2: or find this, And as the FBI starts to kick

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Speaker 2: over some of those stones, we could see some really

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Speaker 2: ugly stuff.

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Speaker 1: Also, they reportedly this assassin confessed in Discord. Yeah, that

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Speaker 1: would suggest that he sees this group as profoundly connective

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Speaker 1: tissue for him. And to your point, I wonder how

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Speaker 1: much of the toxicity that we are seeing is emanating

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Speaker 1: from these toxic people finding each other and driving each

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Speaker 1: other to additional forms of radicalism by trying to normalize

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