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Speaker 1: M Triumph Channel one thirty two. H Oh yeah. You

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Speaker 1: want a cop to take a bullet, right. You want

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, but when they drive through the burger King

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Speaker 1: they can't get a chicken sandwich? Are you kidding me?

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Speaker 1: I mean it. See Grace, this is crime stories. Thank

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Speaker 1: you for being with us. Burger King refuses to serve police,

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Speaker 1: that feeds you. An owner of a Louisiana Burger King

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Speaker 1: Now listen to me, I get it. I know that

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Speaker 1: But one bad apple does not spoil the whole munch.

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Speaker 1: to jail, just like every other felon. But really, imagine

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Speaker 1: you got your kids in the back seat, You're hungry,

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Speaker 1: and you drive through and order. Then there's a long pause.

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Speaker 1: Nobody ever waits on you. Nothing happens. You drive to

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Speaker 1: of chicken. Then you go, oh, okay, how about a burger?

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Speaker 1: Oh we're out of burgers too, and I'll start laughing.

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Speaker 1: special guests, Joining me right now. The Public Information Director

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Speaker 1: for Assumption Parish Sheriff's Office out of Louisiana. Hello, my

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Speaker 1: Cajun friend, Lonnie Cavalier. Lonnie, I'm sick. My children were

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Speaker 1: asking me the other day, how do you speak Cajun?

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Speaker 1: tell me what happened at a Louisiana burger king franchise. Well,

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Speaker 1: on the even of Medea seventeenth, the sheriff of some

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Speaker 1: SWAT people who had completed training in Zachary, Louisiana at

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Speaker 1: the State Police Compound, went over to St. Francisville to

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Speaker 1: let me set the stage. They pull up, nobody comes

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Speaker 1: the uniform, its canine vehicle, can't get a chicken sandwich,

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Speaker 1: from them. Uh, okay, well, whoa whoa, whoa whoa, Commander Cavalier,

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Speaker 1: Please don't throw me down on the asphalt and arrest me.

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Speaker 1: But you keep saying things that I didn't already know

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Speaker 1: from reading about it. So this is the one that

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Speaker 1: You know what, it'll be a cold day, and you

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Speaker 1: know where before I go to Burger King again, and

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Speaker 1: that includes the French toast sticks that the children love

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Speaker 1: to hey with that, you know what they're eat Note

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Speaker 1: And and UH that that happened to me where I

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Speaker 1: the owner on that Friday and he's very upset, and basically,

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Speaker 1: and he said, but they never refused to sell the

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Speaker 1: I said, I'm not understanding. He said, well, no you're not.

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Speaker 1: He said, the police, the officers were not refused service

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Speaker 1: Why what are they serious? They really want me to

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Speaker 1: Something stinks, okay, and it's coming from Burger King. Yeah. Absolutely.

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Speaker 1: What do you know and what does Burger King Corporate

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Speaker 1: The franchise e, who independently owns and operates this location

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Speaker 1: has confirmed that this individual no longer works for the organization.

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Speaker 1: We'd like to sincerely apologize to the deputies for the

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Speaker 1: poor experience and are grateful for everything they do to

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Speaker 1: protect our communities. You're making my ears bleed. My ears

431
00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:07,879
Speaker 1: are bleeding from that, because that just sounds like a

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Speaker 1: bunch of corporate mumbo jumbo. You know what, come out

433
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Speaker 1: with it. You know what, We hired some lousy people,

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Speaker 1: they did a bad thing, and we're giving the local

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Speaker 1: police free food for the next month. Come on in,

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Speaker 1: eat on Burger King, do anything for us to make

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Speaker 1: it up to you who protect and serve us. You

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Speaker 1: know what, But you're telling me, Commander Cavalier, that the

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Speaker 1: people inside the restaurant were visibly being served when your

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Speaker 1: guys drove through. Correct. Oh okay, Limley, what else do

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Speaker 1: you know? Well, the owner of the St. Francis Philli

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Speaker 1: Burger King we now know is Joe Clements of Crown Restaurants, LLC.

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Speaker 1: Let me write that down hold Joe Clemens, Now, who

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Speaker 1: is Joe Clements. He's the man that actually owns that

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00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:07,080
Speaker 1: local franchise of Burger King. And after the corporate statement,

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Speaker 1: he issued his own state at the very same day

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Speaker 1: to TV station w b r Z. And again I'll

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Speaker 1: just quote part of this. I am aware of the

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Speaker 1: incident at the Burger King and St. Francisville involving two

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00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:26,520
Speaker 1: Assumption Parish Sheriff's deputies not being served. Unfortunately, it also

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00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:30,720
Speaker 1: involved other guests not being served. The actions of these

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Speaker 1: tim team members do not reflect the values and beliefs

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Speaker 1: of our organization, nor do they reflect the values and

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Speaker 1: beliefs of the Burger King brand. You may recognizize those words.

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Speaker 1: I have investigated the incident and have determined that certain

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Speaker 1: team members refused service to multiple guests in our drive through,

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Speaker 1: including the two deputies on that day. As a result,

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Speaker 1: these individuals no longer work for our organization. I have

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Speaker 1: met with Sheriff Falcon of Assumption Pair and expressed my

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Speaker 1: sincere apology for they hold on right there? Limly is

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00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:09,160
Speaker 1: that true, Commander Cavalier, Did the local owner meet with

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Speaker 1: the sheriff and say he's sorry? Yes? On Friday along

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Speaker 1: with people from Burger King. So they came in, so

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Speaker 1: he came in with them. Correct. You know what, I'll

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Speaker 1: put this whole thing to rest when I see that video,

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Speaker 1: when I know that they did not serve other people

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Speaker 1: and not just your two officers. So, Commander Cavalier, what

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Speaker 1: does it stand right now? Basically where we left where

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Speaker 1: where they left the sheriff on Friday. Uh. They've been

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Speaker 1: releasing some local statements since Friday. Uh. Burger King has uh.

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Speaker 1: And that's it. That's that's where we were at. We've

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Speaker 1: we've talked about people and and you know, told them

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Speaker 1: the results of of our investigation, and and uh, you know,

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Speaker 1: told them they did everything right. You know, Commander Cavalier,

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Speaker 1: it's not about the chicken sandwich, you know today with

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Speaker 1: the chicken sandwich, It's not about the burger It's about

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Speaker 1: them disrespecting officers that they expect to literally take a bullet,

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Speaker 1: to say goodbye to their own families and sacrifice their

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Speaker 1: lives for other people. And I learned it the hard way.

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Speaker 1: I had just been in the d a's office a

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Speaker 1: short while and struck up a friendship with a brand

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Speaker 1: new rookie cop Randy Chopanni. He had a wife, they

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Speaker 1: were trying to have children. He pulled over a guy,

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Speaker 1: a kid for traffic violation. God is um you know?

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Speaker 1: Citation pad walked up, didn't even get to say anything,

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Speaker 1: and the kids shot him dead right then, No reason,

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Speaker 1: no conflict, no argument, no nothing, dead right then. And

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Speaker 1: I'd expected Chopini at grand jury the following Tuesday. I'm like,

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Speaker 1: where Chopani? He said he's dead over a traffic ticket.

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Speaker 1: That that's that's the deal. And I'm so upset about

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Speaker 1: cops getting disrespected. I just want to apologize to your cops,

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Speaker 1: if you could pass it on. Most people in America

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Speaker 1: something wrong. But tell you what cop work in twelve

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Speaker 1: hour ship drives up for a chicken sandwich. I just

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Speaker 1: feel bad for him with me, Commander Line and Cavalier

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Speaker 1: from Assumption Para Sheriff's office. Commander, thank you, and I

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Speaker 1: Clear is on a fifty fifty that's a psych hold

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Speaker 1: at U c l A. She apparently down to bottle

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Speaker 1: of tequila and crashed her Porsche into a pylon on

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Speaker 1: the grounds of her mansion. I mean, everything is going

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Speaker 1: sideways for her right now. Joining me Alexis Torres, Chuck

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Speaker 1: Radar Online dot Com investigative reporter, alcohol rehab advocate, Michael Lohan, Dr.

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Speaker 1: Brian Russell, lawyer, psychologist and host of Fatal Vows. Also

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Speaker 1: with me, private eye and former Nashville p D Vincent Hill.

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Speaker 1: Let's go straight out to Alexis Terres chuck Radar Online

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Speaker 1: dot Com. The tequila and the Porsche and the crash

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Speaker 1: is just the most recent development regarding what is going

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Speaker 1: on with Heather Lockleer and all the crimes, the charges

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Speaker 1: she's catching and route. But how did it all start,

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Speaker 1: Alexas start at the beginning. On Sunday, Heather Luckleier was arrested.

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Speaker 1: She had down an entire bottle of tequila and then

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Speaker 1: tried to drive her Porsche off her property and crashed

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Speaker 1: into a pylon on the property. She's a huge property,

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Speaker 1: she's very wealthy. It's it's a very Wealthy area, crashed

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Speaker 1: her Porsche and that's when nine one one was called

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Speaker 1: because nobody can handle her and she had to be

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Speaker 1: taken into care. Do I understand that correctly? She punched

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Speaker 1: another cop and kicked an e M T issues being

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Speaker 1: rolled out on a gurney, something that we have gotten

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Speaker 1: very You too have had a lots lit this she

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00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:49,120
Speaker 1: happened a few months ago, was February. Yes, she police

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00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:52,839
Speaker 1: were called to her house twice on Sunday night. They

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Speaker 1: were called about six pm. They showed up, cops came,

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Speaker 1: They said that there was nothing that could have um

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Speaker 1: arrest anybody, so they left. Five hours later, eleven pm,

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Speaker 1: the cops are called again. They come back. Domestic disturbance

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00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:12,120
Speaker 1: is the incident that they say, and they are trying

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Speaker 1: to arrest Heather. They actually said she was quote very

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Speaker 1: intoxicated and very uncooperative, so they were so worried about her.

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Speaker 1: It is my understanding, Alexis terres Chuck that she actually

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Speaker 1: was having a physical confrontation with her own mother, and

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Speaker 1: when the cops tried to break it up, that's when

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Speaker 1: she kicked one cop and she was acting so crazy.

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Speaker 1: They got her on a gurney and then she kicked

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Speaker 1: an e MT. You know what, Um, that's a lot

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Speaker 1: of power, you know, to be You think when somebody's

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Speaker 1: intoxicated that they would you know, be more malleable. But

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Speaker 1: apparently not so wetly like you would think that once

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Speaker 1: the cops came. But she she was so agitated that

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Speaker 1: she she was violently resisting this. And you know, Heather

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00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:06,600
Speaker 1: is probably five ft tall and ways on her pounds

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Speaker 1: soaking wet like she's a tiny, beautiful woman, but very tiny.

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Speaker 1: So the fact that she was able to make contact

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Speaker 1: with these officers is is testimony to how distressed she

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Speaker 1: wasn't and as as said, was incredibly intoxicated. No, alexis

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Speaker 1: tos Dynamite comes in small packages. Let's back it up,

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Speaker 1: alex As you said, cops who were there in the

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Speaker 1: last weeks, what happened that time? Cops were called again,

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Speaker 1: lad on a week ago Sunday, they were called to

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Speaker 1: the house again because they've been worried about Heather. But

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Speaker 1: this time when the police were called, the police said,

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Speaker 1: and they said, we are this is a hazard house.

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Speaker 1: So because the calls have been made so many times

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Speaker 1: from Heather's house. But what they said this is a

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Speaker 1: hazard house. They said. The person said, what does that mean?

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Speaker 1: That was calling that one? I said, Heather low clear,

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Speaker 1: this is Heather Locklear's house. She has a gun, she

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Speaker 1: has threatened officers. This is the house that we are

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Speaker 1: very concerned about coming to. WHOA, I didn't know that part.

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Speaker 1: Uh to Dr Brian Russell, lawyer and psychologist, host of

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Speaker 1: Investigation Discoveries Fatal Vows. Apparently she was either intoxicated or

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Speaker 1: on some kind of drug. And I don't want to

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Speaker 1: hold her background against her because she had I want

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Speaker 1: to know what has happened in this instance, okay, but

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Speaker 1: we do know that there have been many, many, let

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Speaker 1: me just say, euphemistically, brushes with the law. Dr Brian, Well,

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Speaker 1: that's right, and I think in order to ascertain what

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Speaker 1: happened this time around, it is important to know what

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Speaker 1: has happened in some of those previous rounds, because it

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Speaker 1: does look like what we've got here is somebody with

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Speaker 1: a troubled history. To to put it mildly, that includes, uh,

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Speaker 1: if not exclusively, at least includes a very prominent substance

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Speaker 1: abuse component to it. And I think it shows how

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Speaker 1: poorly we actually serve people like that when we slap

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Speaker 1: them on the wrist, Slap them on the wrist, slap

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Speaker 1: him on the wrist. And part of part of the

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Speaker 1: reason why we do that is because the clinical community

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Speaker 1: has sort of sort of you know, medicalized this to

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Speaker 1: the point where judges and and and prosecutors even will

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Speaker 1: see people as sort of disease victim. Oh, this person

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Speaker 1: has its substance abuse disorder, all its disease. We have

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Speaker 1: to feel sorry. We have to think about trying to

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Speaker 1: help them get treatment instead of punishing them even when

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Speaker 1: they do things like assault the cops. And the truth is,

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Speaker 1: you know, I have a neighbor who is breast cancer survivor,

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Speaker 1: and it makes me so damn mad when I see

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Speaker 1: one of these these substance abuse treatment advocates to equate

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Speaker 1: her with somebody who is a substance abuser and say, oh, yeah,

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Speaker 1: both of these people are disease survivors. You know how

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Speaker 1: much my neighbor would have loved it if she could

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Speaker 1: have decided at any moment to quit having the symptoms

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Speaker 1: of breast cancer. So, you know, I think you can

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Speaker 1: feel sorry for somebody like Locklear if you want to,

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Speaker 1: But the thing to do is impose consequences. It's it's

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Speaker 1: about getting it to the point where the motivation to

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Speaker 1: stop exceeds the motivation to continue, and consequences are key well.

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Speaker 1: According to Associated Press, she was booked on three counts

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Speaker 1: of battery before this, and was also booked with alleged

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Speaker 1: assault against her live in boy friend, Chris Heiser. T

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Speaker 1: MZ says Lackler's brother called n one when he goes

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Speaker 1: to the home and saw her and Heiser physically fighting,

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Speaker 1: and Heiser was the one that showed marks of an injury.

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Speaker 1: When on that occasion, deputies trying to take her into custody,

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Speaker 1: she became combative, flailing and kicking, now allegedly striking three deputies.

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Speaker 1: She was then taken to a hospital. This is that

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Speaker 1: happened back and around February. Now in September, it was

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00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:39,600
Speaker 1: reported she was venturing back in public. Before that, she

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Speaker 1: crashed her purse into a ditch, suffering minor injuries. There's

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Speaker 1: been one thing after the next, after the next, and

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Speaker 1: they all seemed to be somehow related to alcohol or drugs.

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Speaker 1: Don't know which joining me right now. Alcohol rehab advocate

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Speaker 1: Michael Lohan Michael way in UM, Well, thank you very

639
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Speaker 1: much as annoying, I totally agree that when it comes

640
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Speaker 1: to addiction and other diseases, you can't equate to two

641
00:41:08,200 --> 00:41:10,840
Speaker 1: because it boils down to a choice. When it becomes

642
00:41:11,080 --> 00:41:13,360
Speaker 1: when you speak of addiction, I mean, it's not like

643
00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:15,839
Speaker 1: having cancer, heart disease or MS where you can just

644
00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:19,560
Speaker 1: say I want to stop. It's not like that. At

645
00:41:19,600 --> 00:41:22,240
Speaker 1: the end of the day, an addict has that choice

646
00:41:22,520 --> 00:41:25,759
Speaker 1: either I want to stop or I don't want to stop. Um.

647
00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:27,239
Speaker 1: And there's a lot you know, I went through the

648
00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:30,879
Speaker 1: same exact thing with my wife Kate that as it's

649
00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:33,560
Speaker 1: going through now. And there's a lot of factors involved

650
00:41:33,560 --> 00:41:35,600
Speaker 1: in this. I mean, the medications that she's on, how

651
00:41:35,640 --> 00:41:39,040
Speaker 1: it mixes with alcohol, a whole blackout fit. But they're

652
00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:41,520
Speaker 1: not treating her property. You can't treat this by going

653
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Speaker 1: to a a METS like she goes too. There's a

654
00:41:44,080 --> 00:41:47,000
Speaker 1: lot more to it. The first step that she really

655
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Speaker 1: needs to take and any doctor will probably agree with this.

656
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Speaker 1: If you take a pg X test, which which is

657
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Speaker 1: an adverse medication test, which will tell if the medication

658
00:41:56,239 --> 00:41:58,719
Speaker 1: that she's on is actually working for or not. And

659
00:41:58,760 --> 00:42:02,160
Speaker 1: if you drink any alcohol on most medications, you're gonna

660
00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:05,160
Speaker 1: have a horrible effect. It's going to you know, I

661
00:42:05,200 --> 00:42:08,520
Speaker 1: don't know that she's on any medication at all. I mean,

662
00:42:08,560 --> 00:42:13,359
Speaker 1: you may be right, but while are we saying during

663
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Speaker 1: any when she goes into the hospital, she gets arrested,

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Speaker 1: the first thing they're going to do is try to

665
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Speaker 1: detox her. Now, alcohol is one of the most dangerous

666
00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:24,040
Speaker 1: drugs of all to decox someone. More people die if

667
00:42:24,239 --> 00:42:27,640
Speaker 1: alcohol detoxin any of the decoxer is so they have

668
00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:29,920
Speaker 1: to use some kind of medication when they're decox are

669
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Speaker 1: You can't just stop just have someone stop drinking. You

670
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Speaker 1: have to decox under a medical protocol using medication. Now,

671
00:42:38,520 --> 00:42:40,840
Speaker 1: if she's in and out of the hospital within a

672
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Speaker 1: couple of days, she's still decoxing. That means she still

673
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Speaker 1: has medication in their system. And if she drinks on

674
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Speaker 1: that medication, she's gonna go into a blackout phase like

675
00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:52,840
Speaker 1: other people I know have and then they don't know

676
00:42:52,880 --> 00:42:55,600
Speaker 1: what they're doing. I mean, there's a lot more to it.

677
00:42:55,760 --> 00:42:59,920
Speaker 1: Just the treatment industry is broken. We are not treating

678
00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:02,120
Speaker 1: people the right way. We're just talking to them like

679
00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:05,680
Speaker 1: in AA meetings. There's there's a whole medical scidists that

680
00:43:05,719 --> 00:43:08,600
Speaker 1: need to be addressed. I mean, when people drink and

681
00:43:08,719 --> 00:43:11,920
Speaker 1: use drugs, that brain chemistry is going off tremendously and

682
00:43:11,960 --> 00:43:14,480
Speaker 1: you have to balance the brain chemistry again in order

683
00:43:14,560 --> 00:43:16,440
Speaker 1: to deal with a person is a very clear and

684
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Speaker 1: focused away. So there's so much. This is a this

685
00:43:19,840 --> 00:43:22,200
Speaker 1: is a long conversation. I don't want to I don't

686
00:43:22,200 --> 00:43:24,319
Speaker 1: want to kick up all of your time. But they

687
00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:27,239
Speaker 1: really need to check the medication she's on. They need

688
00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:30,120
Speaker 1: to look at the drinking patterns and if they're going

689
00:43:30,200 --> 00:43:32,280
Speaker 1: to detox that she needs to be in a longer

690
00:43:32,320 --> 00:43:36,120
Speaker 1: detox so that she can actually heal and be more

691
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Speaker 1: cognizant of what she's doing. What we know and the

692
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Speaker 1: recent hours is that just one day after the arrest,

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Speaker 1: authorities respond to her home in Thousand Os, California. It's

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Speaker 1: a medical call. Now, this is according to Ventura County

695
00:43:54,440 --> 00:43:59,520
Speaker 1: Sheriff Sergeant Eric Bouchall. What we know is that a

696
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Speaker 1: pac lock Leer was transported to the hospital. Now we

697
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Speaker 1: shall would name the person because it's a medical issue,

698
00:44:08,239 --> 00:44:10,279
Speaker 1: but we know the person that we believe to be

699
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Speaker 1: lock Cleer has been committed to the hospital. Now, as

700
00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:17,200
Speaker 1: we were just outlining hew the like Cleer the star

701
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Speaker 1: of Melrose Plays, was arrested on two misdemeanor counts of

702
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Speaker 1: battery on an emergency personnel that's an e m T

703
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Speaker 1: and a cop. Now this is just days about forty

704
00:44:32,920 --> 00:44:35,920
Speaker 1: five days or so after she plays not guilty to

705
00:44:36,040 --> 00:44:40,640
Speaker 1: battery on a police officer in a separate incident. Now,

706
00:44:40,840 --> 00:44:45,080
Speaker 1: deputies have responded to two separate calls to lock Leer's residents.

707
00:44:45,120 --> 00:44:48,040
Speaker 1: The first call was around six pm local for a disturbance.

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Speaker 1: As Alexis was telling us they determined no crime and

709
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Speaker 1: been committed. A second call rolls in around eleven pm.

710
00:44:56,320 --> 00:44:59,279
Speaker 1: We learned that deputies arrived and they find a domestic

711
00:44:59,600 --> 00:45:04,160
Speaker 1: disturb urbants involving Locklear and another party. Some reports have

712
00:45:04,239 --> 00:45:09,160
Speaker 1: claimed it was her mother. Then she allegedly kicks one

713
00:45:09,160 --> 00:45:11,880
Speaker 1: of the deputies in the leg while they are surveying

714
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Speaker 1: the situation. She was described as extremely intoxicated, uncooperative. She

715
00:45:18,239 --> 00:45:22,880
Speaker 1: was handcuffed taken into custody. Police say that because of

716
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Speaker 1: her drunken state, she was to be medically checked before

717
00:45:28,760 --> 00:45:32,040
Speaker 1: going to jail, and at that point that is when

718
00:45:32,160 --> 00:45:35,960
Speaker 1: Locklear went into combat mode and kicks an e MT

719
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Speaker 1: in the chest. So she gets that on twenty dollar bill.

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Speaker 1: Within twenty four hours, police are back there on a

721
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Speaker 1: medical call. What do we know right now? Alexi's torres

722
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Speaker 1: chuck regarding her being in the hospital. So she has

723
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Speaker 1: been placed on a fifty two fifty hold in a hospital,

724
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Speaker 1: which means it's more than just three days. This is

725
00:45:59,480 --> 00:46:03,239
Speaker 1: for days of her getting treatment. She's going to be

726
00:46:03,280 --> 00:46:06,239
Speaker 1: held where doctors evaluate her, try to see they can

727
00:46:06,239 --> 00:46:08,800
Speaker 1: figure out what is going on with her. But after this,

728
00:46:08,800 --> 00:46:11,520
Speaker 1: this is an entire bottle of tequila that she had

729
00:46:11,520 --> 00:46:15,080
Speaker 1: to drink, and she's got to get some help. We

730
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Speaker 1: understand she has struggled in recent years with substance abuse. Two.

731
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Speaker 1: Dr Brian Russell, lawyer, psychologist and hosts of Fatal vows

732
00:46:25,040 --> 00:46:29,520
Speaker 1: on Investigation Discovery. Well, but now, Dr Brian, nobody is

733
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Speaker 1: going to sit down a substance abuser and talk them

734
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Speaker 1: out of it. Rehab is something that fails of the time,

735
00:46:42,560 --> 00:46:45,919
Speaker 1: which is why you know, not only that, but those

736
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Speaker 1: of us who are clinicians. This is the case illustrates

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00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:53,680
Speaker 1: something else very important for people understand, very little power

738
00:46:54,200 --> 00:46:58,040
Speaker 1: to force anybody to do anything, even you know, if

739
00:46:58,080 --> 00:47:02,120
Speaker 1: somebody is actively saying they're going to kill themselves or

740
00:47:02,160 --> 00:47:05,239
Speaker 1: somebody else in the next five minutes. Usually the most

741
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Speaker 1: the clinician can do is put them on a hold

742
00:47:07,840 --> 00:47:10,879
Speaker 1: that lasts a matter of hours, seventy two hours at

743
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Speaker 1: the most. And so this is why a lot of

744
00:47:13,760 --> 00:47:17,279
Speaker 1: people are are so misguided when they think that we

745
00:47:17,400 --> 00:47:21,480
Speaker 1: are somehow being cruel to these people when we throw

746
00:47:21,600 --> 00:47:25,360
Speaker 1: the legal book at them. That the judicial system, a

747
00:47:25,480 --> 00:47:29,719
Speaker 1: criminal court judge is the one who actually does have

748
00:47:29,920 --> 00:47:34,239
Speaker 1: the power to force people to do things that are

749
00:47:34,320 --> 00:47:37,120
Speaker 1: at least in the best interests of the public. For example,

750
00:47:37,600 --> 00:47:40,960
Speaker 1: keeping this woman off the road sounds to me like

751
00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:44,480
Speaker 1: a very good thing to do here in the foreseeable future.

752
00:47:44,719 --> 00:47:47,200
Speaker 1: Who can do that? The judge can do that. She

753
00:47:47,239 --> 00:47:49,319
Speaker 1: didn't have to be out on bail when she was

754
00:47:49,360 --> 00:47:53,279
Speaker 1: already out on a previous beef, and now here she

755
00:47:53,480 --> 00:47:55,960
Speaker 1: is back again with another beef. I wouldn't have let

756
00:47:55,960 --> 00:47:58,040
Speaker 1: her back out. I would have revoked the bail on

757
00:47:58,080 --> 00:48:01,520
Speaker 1: the previous thing, and I would have after in and

758
00:48:01,600 --> 00:48:04,920
Speaker 1: put steel bar whatever the substance is, I would have

759
00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:08,040
Speaker 1: put steel bars between her and that substance for the

760
00:48:08,120 --> 00:48:12,120
Speaker 1: foreseeable time. That step number one, and then I would

761
00:48:12,120 --> 00:48:14,520
Speaker 1: continue to throw the book at her in an effort

762
00:48:14,560 --> 00:48:17,440
Speaker 1: to at least make it. Uh, we get to the

763
00:48:17,480 --> 00:48:23,000
Speaker 1: point faster where the motivation not to continue exceeds the

764
00:48:23,080 --> 00:48:28,400
Speaker 1: motivation to continue to Michael Lohan alcohol rehab advocate, Michael,

765
00:48:28,680 --> 00:48:30,640
Speaker 1: what are you think? I I agree with him all.

766
00:48:31,480 --> 00:48:33,360
Speaker 1: I think that makes all the sense in the world.

767
00:48:33,680 --> 00:48:36,680
Speaker 1: I mean, when you're releasing someone right away and you're

768
00:48:36,719 --> 00:48:40,040
Speaker 1: not putting that barrier between them and the substance they're using,

769
00:48:40,480 --> 00:48:42,399
Speaker 1: you're just putting them right back in the position they

770
00:48:42,400 --> 00:48:46,320
Speaker 1: were in before. The only thing that ends right. Accept

771
00:48:46,320 --> 00:48:50,319
Speaker 1: the numbers a little bit wrong. Statistically, Um, people are

772
00:48:50,360 --> 00:48:52,680
Speaker 1: going to treatment for thirty days to forty five days

773
00:48:52,760 --> 00:48:56,840
Speaker 1: usually relapse and within over the people relapse in the

774
00:48:56,880 --> 00:48:59,640
Speaker 1: first hundred a hundred and eighty days of getting out

775
00:48:59,640 --> 00:49:03,160
Speaker 1: of treat it. So your question is this is treatment

776
00:49:03,200 --> 00:49:05,320
Speaker 1: long enough? Is thirty days long enough? And the answer

777
00:49:05,440 --> 00:49:08,840
Speaker 1: is absolutely not. How are you going to cure you know,

778
00:49:09,040 --> 00:49:11,640
Speaker 1: years maybe one, five or ten years of drinking or

779
00:49:11,640 --> 00:49:14,399
Speaker 1: out or a drug abuse and matter of thirty days,

780
00:49:14,440 --> 00:49:17,560
Speaker 1: it's not going to happen. It's impossible. And clinically, like

781
00:49:17,719 --> 00:49:21,080
Speaker 1: you said, you can't speak sobriety to somebody It's like

782
00:49:21,160 --> 00:49:23,880
Speaker 1: talking to a wound. If you have a cut on

783
00:49:23,920 --> 00:49:26,120
Speaker 1: your arm and I continue to talk to it, is

784
00:49:26,120 --> 00:49:28,839
Speaker 1: it going to heal? No, of course not. You have

785
00:49:28,920 --> 00:49:32,239
Speaker 1: to treat it. Let me interrupt you, Michael, explain to me,

786
00:49:32,560 --> 00:49:37,239
Speaker 1: explain to everybody listening. You can't tell an alcoholic or

787
00:49:37,280 --> 00:49:40,560
Speaker 1: an attic. Why don't you just stop that That doesn't

788
00:49:40,600 --> 00:49:46,600
Speaker 1: work that way. It's an addiction. They can't just stop. No, not.

789
00:49:47,040 --> 00:49:50,399
Speaker 1: You're right, You're definitely right, Nancy. You know, when they're

790
00:49:50,400 --> 00:49:53,040
Speaker 1: in the thrones of addiction, you can't tell them to stop.

791
00:49:53,360 --> 00:49:56,440
Speaker 1: But here's a very valid question. Why is it that

792
00:49:56,600 --> 00:49:59,799
Speaker 1: some people go to treatment and after one time, after

793
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:02,799
Speaker 1: the days, they do stop, and some people it takes

794
00:50:02,800 --> 00:50:05,680
Speaker 1: a can of fifteen times before they do stop. Did

795
00:50:05,680 --> 00:50:08,759
Speaker 1: they really learn to learn anything the last time that

796
00:50:08,840 --> 00:50:12,399
Speaker 1: they need learned the first time? No? Absolutely not. Some

797
00:50:12,520 --> 00:50:16,239
Speaker 1: people like myself in in two thousand and five, I

798
00:50:16,320 --> 00:50:17,879
Speaker 1: was put in a position where I went to jail

799
00:50:17,920 --> 00:50:21,280
Speaker 1: for d W I I made the decision to stop.

800
00:50:21,680 --> 00:50:24,279
Speaker 1: I actually died in a car accident and that was

801
00:50:24,360 --> 00:50:27,360
Speaker 1: it for me. That was my epiphany. People need what

802
00:50:27,360 --> 00:50:30,800
Speaker 1: what does it take, Nancy? Does they take losing your children,

803
00:50:31,160 --> 00:50:34,239
Speaker 1: losing someone in your life, in your life that you love,

804
00:50:34,600 --> 00:50:37,359
Speaker 1: losing your own life, or being that close to losing

805
00:50:37,360 --> 00:50:39,920
Speaker 1: your life to make you stop. It shouldn't be, but

806
00:50:40,040 --> 00:50:43,040
Speaker 1: for some people it is. It's just that it boils

807
00:50:43,040 --> 00:50:45,560
Speaker 1: down to a choice. Am I going to live like

808
00:50:45,640 --> 00:50:49,000
Speaker 1: this anymore? And not, like I said, if you're an

809
00:50:49,000 --> 00:50:52,080
Speaker 1: active addiction, that the tough thing to do because you're

810
00:50:52,120 --> 00:50:53,960
Speaker 1: in the thrones of it, in your gripped by it.

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Speaker 1: But through the process of the more time you have

812
00:50:57,600 --> 00:51:01,000
Speaker 1: in a program, the more the more the chance of

813
00:51:01,040 --> 00:51:03,879
Speaker 1: you being able to make that decision, come to come

814
00:51:03,880 --> 00:51:06,759
Speaker 1: to fruition is going to happen. We more time to

815
00:51:06,840 --> 00:51:10,560
Speaker 1: deal with people. Thirty days isn't enough and unfortunately that's

816
00:51:10,560 --> 00:51:13,359
Speaker 1: all insurance companies will pay for. Well, you know, I'm

817
00:51:13,400 --> 00:51:16,920
Speaker 1: I'm hearing what Lohan is saying, Vincent Hill, but I

818
00:51:16,920 --> 00:51:20,359
Speaker 1: have another concern. I want her to get well, and

819
00:51:20,400 --> 00:51:22,600
Speaker 1: I want her to get the treatment she needs, and

820
00:51:22,680 --> 00:51:25,840
Speaker 1: I want her daughter to be brought up in a

821
00:51:25,960 --> 00:51:30,920
Speaker 1: home where the mom isn't intoxicated or on drugs if

822
00:51:30,960 --> 00:51:33,360
Speaker 1: that is the case. But Vincent Hill, we got the

823
00:51:33,400 --> 00:51:37,640
Speaker 1: whole issue of her kicking hitting a cop this is

824
00:51:37,680 --> 00:51:40,800
Speaker 1: not the first time around and kicking an e M T.

825
00:51:41,480 --> 00:51:44,680
Speaker 1: All right, that's not okay. No, it's definitely not okay, Nancy.

826
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Speaker 1: But you know, I'm just the next cop. I'm definitely

827
00:51:47,040 --> 00:51:51,160
Speaker 1: not a psychiatrist or somebody that's versed in alcohol. I

828
00:51:51,320 --> 00:51:54,560
Speaker 1: never accused you of that, But what I can say,

829
00:51:54,640 --> 00:51:57,359
Speaker 1: I've lived with someone I think there's a deeper issue here.

830
00:51:57,800 --> 00:52:01,160
Speaker 1: And a lot of people don't associate at alcoholism or

831
00:52:01,360 --> 00:52:04,480
Speaker 1: drug abuse with mental illness, but my ex wife was

832
00:52:04,520 --> 00:52:08,080
Speaker 1: bipolar and one of her symptoms was to self medicate

833
00:52:08,440 --> 00:52:11,560
Speaker 1: with alcohol and drugs. So I think there's a deeper

834
00:52:11,600 --> 00:52:14,920
Speaker 1: issue that Heather is dealing with, and until that's diagnosed

835
00:52:14,920 --> 00:52:18,080
Speaker 1: and diagnosed properly, I think she will continue to be

836
00:52:18,120 --> 00:52:21,160
Speaker 1: in this cycle. That's just my experience with living with

837
00:52:21,200 --> 00:52:24,720
Speaker 1: someone who had a mental illness. Right now, we await

838
00:52:24,920 --> 00:52:29,560
Speaker 1: the fate of TV star Heather low Clear. Nancy Grace

839
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