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Speaker 1: the soccer betting podcast from the Action Network. I'm your

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Speaker 1: host today, BJ cunning In. In a second, I'll be

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Speaker 1: joined by my co host and friend, Anthony Dubundo. Michael

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Speaker 1: and Anthony today. This is your World Cup recap. We're

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Speaker 1: gonna go back through the tournament, some of our best calls,

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Speaker 1: this World Cup, Little Team USA summary, and then gonna

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Speaker 1: a final that was, Anthony. That was I'll turn it

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Speaker 1: just like, oh my gosh, that thing got completely out

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Speaker 1: probably one of the best World Cup finals that we've

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I just told you this story off air, I'll

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Speaker 3: We had a service person come from Verizon because we're

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Speaker 3: about the seventieth minute, Big Soccer Fan, and we had

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Speaker 3: with us? Because he was super into it, Big and

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Speaker 3: Ambape gets back to back goals in the last you know,

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Speaker 3: I thought the deserved team won in the end, like

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Speaker 3: they were clearly the better side for the first seventy

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Speaker 3: with Argentina creating overloads in the midfield, extra midfielder three

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Speaker 2: That ultimately is what leads to the first.

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Speaker 3: So I thought Argentina had the better game plan, they

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Speaker 3: Argentina was minus one fourteen going into the penalty shootout.

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Speaker 1: I'll say one thing like, obviously Argentina, like their expected

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Speaker 3: I have to go Morocco, you know, I think we

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Speaker 3: me some of you who bets baseball heavily, the Phillies

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Speaker 2: On them to win the group.

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Speaker 3: So they were a lot of fun and then they

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Speaker 2: Uh and you know that would probably be it.

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't.

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Speaker 2: I'm not sure we hit.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I guess Gackpo, which I tweeted I don't

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Speaker 3: Gackpo top touch scorer was a big hit for me

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'd say as a podcast our best hit was

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Speaker 1: definitely Japan overall. You know, we were all kind of

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Speaker 1: and eventually, over time, you know, aggression will find it's mean.

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Speaker 1: But like you said, and these international tournaments with such

437
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Speaker 1: a small sample size, with three group stage matches, it

438
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Speaker 1: just makes it feel like you know your tournament's over

439
00:20:43,359 --> 00:20:45,720
Speaker 1: almost like if you don't hit one match right, because

440
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Speaker 1: they only have three, and going into the next World

441
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Speaker 1: Cup in twenty twenty six, if they stick with the

442
00:20:50,359 --> 00:20:53,480
Speaker 1: sixteen group three three teams in each group, it's gonna

443
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Speaker 1: the variance is even going to be even higher, and

444
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Speaker 1: the pressure is going to be even more not only

445
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Speaker 1: these you know from a betting perspective, but these teams

446
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Speaker 1: as well. It's like, if you're really only going to

447
00:21:02,680 --> 00:21:06,639
Speaker 1: play two matches throughout the group stage like that, that

448
00:21:06,760 --> 00:21:08,800
Speaker 1: leaves you open to a ton of variants. And that's

449
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Speaker 1: just betting soccer in general. Like if you're somebody who

450
00:21:11,160 --> 00:21:13,040
Speaker 1: just hopped on for this World Cup, you hadn't really

451
00:21:13,080 --> 00:21:16,359
Speaker 1: been listening to our podcast or whatever. The World Cup

452
00:21:16,400 --> 00:21:20,000
Speaker 1: and you know shows you how how high a variance soccer.

453
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Speaker 1: I'd say it's the highest variance sport out there bet

454
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Speaker 1: just because of how low scoring it is in nature.

455
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Speaker 1: So it's that's why we talk about pain all the

456
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Speaker 1: time and everything like that. It's like, this isn't an

457
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Speaker 1: NFL game where you know, yeah, a team may score

458
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Speaker 1: on a pick six, but it's like they've had sixty minutes,

459
00:21:36,840 --> 00:21:39,399
Speaker 1: they had ten, eleven, twelve drives to try and go score.

460
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Speaker 1: It's like, you know, there are matches where teams take

461
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Speaker 1: two shots, they score one of them. The other team

462
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Speaker 1: takes thirty shots and it doesn't go in. And that's

463
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Speaker 1: just that's just how it goes sometimes and again through

464
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Speaker 1: these international tournaments, it the variance is even higher just

465
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Speaker 1: because you get you know, teams piling everybody forward where

466
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Speaker 1: you wouldn't see it in a normal club, you know,

467
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Speaker 1: match where teams need to win, teams draw. You know,

468
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Speaker 1: it's it's it's insane, but it's a lot of fun

469
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Speaker 1: in the end. So but I'll let you make your

470
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Speaker 1: point about international soccer going forward.

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Speaker 2: Well, I'm surprised you didn't say England, by the way.

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Speaker 1: We'll get We'll get them. Our last segment is our

473
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Speaker 1: last were looking forward to. England was the best team

474
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Speaker 1: in this World Cup. Duh uh.

475
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Speaker 3: I think when you look at how certain teams we

476
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Speaker 3: had question marks about coming in played France. Uh you know,

477
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Speaker 3: I had been critical of Deshamp coming into the tournament

478
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Speaker 3: and he had relied heavily on their defensive midfield being

479
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Speaker 3: elite and not really doing anything out of possession. And

480
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Speaker 3: they just played a different style. They were more aggressive.

481
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Speaker 3: Rodyo got forward, Tayo Hernandez got forward. They weren't as

482
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Speaker 3: defensive because they didn't have the defensive midfield to.

483
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Speaker 2: Get away with it.

484
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Speaker 3: So they played a much more entertaining, high event style

485
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Speaker 3: that they hadn't done in the last World Cup and

486
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Speaker 3: even at the Euros last year. When you look at Portugal,

487
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Speaker 3: Santos is gone, so you know, we'll see who they hire.

488
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Speaker 3: But it was a clear yeah, right, It was a

489
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Speaker 3: clear indication that they want to play more on the

490
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Speaker 3: front foot, and they did more of that in this tournament.

491
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Speaker 3: Even the decision to go to Ramos of Ronaldo is

492
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Speaker 3: a changing in the guard, the changing and how they

493
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Speaker 3: want to play. Getting Rafael Guerrero forward a ton of

494
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Speaker 3: the left Conselo, you know, playing essentially as a midfielder

495
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Speaker 3: when he was on the pitch, like, there was clear

496
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Speaker 3: evidence that Portugal wanted to send more numbers forward, France, Portugal,

497
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Speaker 3: these kind of teams that have more talent playing more

498
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Speaker 3: on the front foot. I think it is better for

499
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Speaker 3: international soccer and it makes it a better product because

500
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Speaker 3: I don't want to see all of these teams being

501
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Speaker 3: too afraid to take chances, being too conservative with possession.

502
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Speaker 3: And that's the question with England. Now they're keeping Southgate.

503
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Speaker 3: Great decision, you love him. I'm more luke warmont scout

504
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Speaker 3: on south Gate. I don't think he's bad. I don't

505
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Speaker 3: think he's great either, but it will be interesting to

506
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Speaker 3: see all the attacking talent England has. Does Southgate play

507
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Speaker 3: a more proactive and aggressive style than he did?

508
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Speaker 2: Even at this World Cup.

509
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Speaker 3: I thought there were times where they they didn't really push,

510
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Speaker 3: you know, against the United States, there wasn't a ton

511
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Speaker 3: you know, even against Senegal until the goal, and they

512
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Speaker 3: were able to play in transition. They were not putting

513
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Speaker 3: a ton of guys forward playing a double pivot with Henderson, uh,

514
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Speaker 3: you know, in this in this year his age was

515
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Speaker 3: was kind of a defensive decision. And then you know,

516
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Speaker 3: they did control a lot of the match against France,

517
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Speaker 3: but they didn't have any big chances outside of the penalties.

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Speaker 2: It felt like a lot of what they got.

519
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Speaker 3: Came from the penalties, uh and and didn't really do

520
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Speaker 3: much with their with their miss you know, possession of

521
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Speaker 3: midfield outside of you know, you know, Bellingham made a

522
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Speaker 3: huge difference. But how much of that was Bellingham versus Southgate,

523
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Speaker 3: I think that's another question mark.

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Speaker 2: So we'll see.

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Speaker 3: I think it'd be very interesting to see how they

526
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Speaker 3: look come to come to the Euros come March, when

527
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Speaker 3: Euro all the flying starts in three months. But yeah,

528
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Speaker 3: I think there's definitely a change to more high event

529
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Speaker 3: more open, more attacking, and for the best teams, that's

530
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Speaker 3: the way to be. Because you have the better team,

531
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Speaker 3: you're more likely to win if you express yourself over

532
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Speaker 3: ninety minutes and create more events.

533
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think you see that with some of

534
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Speaker 1: the you know, not the smaller nations, but inferior nations

535
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Speaker 1: to the big, you know, the top ten. The teams

536
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Speaker 1: like Japan and South Korea, they are setting up not

537
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Speaker 1: only to be successful throughout their confederation, but when they

538
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Speaker 1: get to the World Cup, they know that they're not

539
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Speaker 1: going to have the ball as much as they will

540
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Speaker 1: at the Asian level. So you're seeing a big change.

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Speaker 1: I think with that for a lot of these smaller

542
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Speaker 1: nations once we actually get towards the World Cup. And again,

543
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Speaker 1: like I said, in the twenty twenty six World Cup,

544
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Speaker 1: there's gonna be forty eight teams, there's going to be

545
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Speaker 1: a lot of other smaller nations. So I agree with

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Speaker 1: you that I did like it that a lot of

547
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Speaker 1: teams were much much more aggressive at this World Cup

548
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Speaker 1: as opposed to what we saw at the Euros. I

549
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Speaker 1: thought the Euros there was you know, there was obviously

550
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Speaker 1: some scoring matches, but a lot of the bigger matches

551
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Speaker 1: were very low events. Teams played very defensive. So that

552
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Speaker 1: is good to see. And I I say this because

553
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Speaker 1: it's just how international soccer works. It's that these the

554
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Speaker 1: coaches usually go through four year cycles. So like that's

555
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Speaker 1: why you see a lot of coaches now I have

556
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Speaker 1: just been either like resigned or they've been fired or

557
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Speaker 1: whatever it is. It's like a lot of these coaches

558
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Speaker 1: it's their last hurrah. I had a World Cup. They're

559
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Speaker 1: like I know that if I you know, unless I

560
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Speaker 1: win this World Cup or reach the final, like I'm

561
00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:33,960
Speaker 1: not getting retained. So let's just play more open, Let's

562
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Speaker 1: play more expansive than we have, so I think that

563
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Speaker 1: has a little bit to do with it. But again, yeah,

564
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Speaker 1: I agree with you that it is nice to see

565
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Speaker 1: a little more openness like that Argentina France match is

566
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Speaker 1: like a perfect match to draw the casual fan in.

567
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Speaker 1: Like the England USA match was not a good match

568
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Speaker 1: if you're just a casual fan showing me every four

569
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Speaker 1: years being like, you know what, I'm gonna get into soccer,

570
00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:56,200
Speaker 1: and then you watch that you're like, uh no, I'm

571
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Speaker 1: not doing that anymore. So yeah, I hope that trends way.

572
00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:03,719
Speaker 1: Speaking of TMUSA, let's just tie a little bow on

573
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Speaker 1: this World Cup for Team USA. We're not going to

574
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Speaker 1: get into the whole bear haltzer geo raina, who's right,

575
00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:12,359
Speaker 1: who's wrong? Oh my gosh type of thing. But I

576
00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:16,320
Speaker 1: think I'll kick it to you first. But I think

577
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Speaker 1: the United States losing in the round of sixteen to

578
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Speaker 1: the Netherlands was pretty much about what we expected from them.

579
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Speaker 1: That's World Cup. Yeah.

580
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Speaker 3: I mean we said that they were a low floor,

581
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Speaker 3: high ceiling team and they ended up being right around

582
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Speaker 3: their ground level. They got out of a group, they

583
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Speaker 3: were the second best team to get out.

584
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Speaker 2: They performed like it.

585
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Speaker 3: They were the second best team in the group pretty clearly.

586
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Speaker 3: I thought they deserved to beat Iran. The defense held

587
00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:46,720
Speaker 3: up against scrutiny from Iran in England and Wales. But again,

588
00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:50,960
Speaker 3: you know, I thought the England performance. Now I'm like

589
00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:52,960
Speaker 3: kind of questioning myself. I'm thinking, okay, how much of

590
00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:55,760
Speaker 3: that was England not willing to take chances versus us?

591
00:27:56,280 --> 00:28:00,119
Speaker 3: Because the Dutch kind of played us like fools a

592
00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:02,479
Speaker 3: little bit of a way in that von Hall let

593
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Speaker 3: us have the bond and.

594
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Speaker 2: Beat us in transition.

595
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Speaker 3: We are not a good enough defensive transition team because

596
00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:10,480
Speaker 3: of our fullbacks to get away with playing the way

597
00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:13,520
Speaker 3: we do. And I think that's a more interesting question

598
00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:16,080
Speaker 3: as we go forward, as the players, you know, enter

599
00:28:16,119 --> 00:28:20,960
Speaker 3: their primes. Is our defenders, our center backs rangy enough

600
00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:24,159
Speaker 3: and our left back and right back good enough to

601
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Speaker 3: be the kind of possession team we.

602
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Speaker 2: Want to be.

603
00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:30,520
Speaker 3: Would we prefer or be better playing in more passive

604
00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:32,040
Speaker 3: style in possession?

605
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Speaker 2: I think it's a really interesting question.

606
00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:36,879
Speaker 3: Because we also don't have a striker, and so if

607
00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:38,480
Speaker 3: you're gonna have a lot of possession, but nobody to

608
00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:40,200
Speaker 3: get shots in the middle of that at the end

609
00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:40,920
Speaker 3: of the possession.

610
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Speaker 2: What's the point of having all the possession.

611
00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:46,040
Speaker 3: So I think there are very interesting tactical questions that

612
00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:50,880
Speaker 3: Greg has to answer, and he's shown an ability to

613
00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:52,280
Speaker 3: raise this level of this team.

614
00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:53,520
Speaker 2: I think he deserves credit for that.

615
00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:56,120
Speaker 3: He's done a good job in some ways, but I

616
00:28:56,120 --> 00:28:58,840
Speaker 3: think there are other flaws where he may be a

617
00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:01,040
Speaker 3: bit weaker that we may have a So we'll see.

618
00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:03,720
Speaker 3: Twenty twenty four could be a big summer if we

619
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Speaker 3: get the Copa, even if it's in South America. We

620
00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:08,640
Speaker 3: just need to play big matches against good teams. And

621
00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:12,280
Speaker 3: there's a lot of teams in you know Common Bowl,

622
00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:15,520
Speaker 3: you know, not Brazil in Argentina, but the Colombia's, the Perus,

623
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Speaker 3: the Paraguays, the Ecuadors, and the and the Uruguays of

624
00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:21,400
Speaker 3: the world. Who are you know, comparable levels to the

625
00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:23,800
Speaker 3: United States right now. Then those kind of matches will

626
00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:26,959
Speaker 3: be really telling and really interesting as to what the

627
00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:29,520
Speaker 3: current state of the US is, because, let's be honest,

628
00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:31,440
Speaker 3: they play two teams that were clearly more talented and

629
00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:33,840
Speaker 3: two teams that were clearly not as talented, and those

630
00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:36,840
Speaker 3: matches kind of went as we thought. Let's see US play,

631
00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:39,800
Speaker 3: you know, a South American team. Let's get some big

632
00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:42,200
Speaker 3: matches in because there isn't really going to be much

633
00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:46,120
Speaker 3: of a qualifying process for twenty six outside of Nations League.

634
00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:48,200
Speaker 3: We're not gonna get in Mexico even is in decline.

635
00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:51,280
Speaker 3: So it's like a weird situation in Coca caff right now.

636
00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:54,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, we definitely need to play Coco America because I mean,

637
00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:57,680
Speaker 1: if you think about it, like from now until twenty

638
00:29:57,680 --> 00:29:59,840
Speaker 1: twenty six, if we're only going to play the Gold

639
00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:01,960
Speaker 1: Up and that's really going to be only our main

640
00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:03,960
Speaker 1: type of competition, and who knows if even some of

641
00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:08,040
Speaker 1: our best players even participate in that, we're gonna play

642
00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:10,120
Speaker 1: nobody like up until that point. I really hope the

643
00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:12,120
Speaker 1: United States does play in Copa America. I think it'll

644
00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:15,120
Speaker 1: be really good for them. But yeah, I agree with

645
00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:18,160
Speaker 1: you that Netherlands they did play us like fools. What

646
00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:21,080
Speaker 1: they did to exactly what you said. They just killed

647
00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:23,920
Speaker 1: us up the flanks. They said, we're not going through

648
00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:25,920
Speaker 1: the middle because that's clearly where the United States is

649
00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:28,120
Speaker 1: the best, and that's what they showed against England. And

650
00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:30,320
Speaker 1: they said, we're just gonna, you know, swing the ball

651
00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:32,800
Speaker 1: out wide, We'll throw some crosses in and guess what,

652
00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:36,160
Speaker 1: all three goals came off crosses. Netherlands is very threatening

653
00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:39,400
Speaker 1: in transition, and that's the hardest thing to your point,

654
00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:40,880
Speaker 1: is like, do we want to be a more passive,

655
00:30:41,280 --> 00:30:43,960
Speaker 1: counter attacking style team. It's a very hard thing to

656
00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:46,400
Speaker 1: do when you're playing in CONCACAF and all the teams

657
00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:48,320
Speaker 1: you're playing are just defensive, low blocks and they're just

658
00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:49,800
Speaker 1: gonna let you have the ball and they're just gonna

659
00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:53,200
Speaker 1: basically try to counter you. So it's it's always this

660
00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:55,720
Speaker 1: weird dynamic in international soccer. It's like once you reach

661
00:30:55,760 --> 00:30:57,760
Speaker 1: the World Cup, it's like, okay, well we've played that

662
00:30:57,840 --> 00:30:59,760
Speaker 1: way throughout qualifying and now we have to kind of

663
00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:04,000
Speaker 1: swim how we were playing, which is very very fascinating,

664
00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:05,600
Speaker 1: and you know, it's hard to take away things from

665
00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:08,440
Speaker 1: friendlies as well. But yeah, I think the United States,

666
00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:12,520
Speaker 1: whether they retain Bear Halter or not, I mean, my

667
00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:15,040
Speaker 1: true belief for the United States is that I know

668
00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:16,800
Speaker 1: people are not going to want to hear this, but like,

669
00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:20,200
Speaker 1: I think we should hire a high pedigree European manager

670
00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:24,600
Speaker 1: and truly focus on playing some of our guys who

671
00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:26,400
Speaker 1: are playing in the big five leagues in Europe, and

672
00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:27,880
Speaker 1: I think once we see over the next four years,

673
00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:29,800
Speaker 1: some of our younger talent is already making their way

674
00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:32,959
Speaker 1: over to Europe. So I think the roster is going

675
00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:35,600
Speaker 1: to be I don't know how many MLS guys are

676
00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:39,040
Speaker 1: even gonna have in twenty twenty six, but yeah, I

677
00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:41,640
Speaker 1: think the US, they they got where they should have.

678
00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:44,200
Speaker 1: They got to the round of sixteen, which is what

679
00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:46,120
Speaker 1: I thought was the good barometer. They were even money

680
00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:48,480
Speaker 1: to do so, which they did, and then yeah, they

681
00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:51,680
Speaker 1: just lost to a farce pier in the Netherlands team. Okay,

682
00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:54,760
Speaker 1: let's close this out. Looking forward a little bit, we

683
00:31:54,760 --> 00:32:00,800
Speaker 1: obviously have a lot of international competitions coming up in

684
00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:04,320
Speaker 1: the next few years. If you're somebody who you know

685
00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:06,400
Speaker 1: you love international soccer, you thought this World Cup was

686
00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:07,680
Speaker 1: a lot of fun, but you're like, man, I just

687
00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:09,240
Speaker 1: can't keep up with the club calendar. I like, I

688
00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:13,400
Speaker 1: just can't get into it or whatever. Coming up. The

689
00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:16,959
Speaker 1: next international tournament is going to be the Africa Cup

690
00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:19,960
Speaker 1: of Nations in January of twenty twenty four, and then

691
00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:22,640
Speaker 1: the summer of twenty twenty four Copo America and the

692
00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:25,760
Speaker 1: European Championship. Will I'll all be taking place the a

693
00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:29,600
Speaker 1: Gold Cup in the Gold the Gold Cup next summer.

694
00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:30,360
Speaker 1: That's right, good point.

695
00:32:30,560 --> 00:32:33,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, everybody knows it's the premiere tournament.

696
00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:35,560
Speaker 1: I honestly forgot about the Gold Cup because I the

697
00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:38,400
Speaker 1: United States is going to be hopefully playing in Copa America.

698
00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:41,240
Speaker 1: And then the Asian Cup looks like it's going to

699
00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:43,000
Speaker 1: be there's not a set date on it yet, but

700
00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:45,160
Speaker 1: it's going to be some time in twenty twenty four

701
00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:49,040
Speaker 1: as well. And we even have Euro and AFCAN qualifiers

702
00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:52,160
Speaker 1: coming up here towards the end of March. But let's

703
00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:55,440
Speaker 1: look forward a little bit, Anthony, what is what is

704
00:32:55,520 --> 00:32:58,120
Speaker 1: one team that you're looking at right now and you're like,

705
00:32:58,120 --> 00:33:00,400
Speaker 1: you know what, I want to buy stock in this

706
00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:02,720
Speaker 1: team as we reach I'll leave it open to any

707
00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:05,600
Speaker 1: continent you want. Which country are you like, I'm buying

708
00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:09,640
Speaker 1: this team going into their confederation's tournament?

709
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Speaker 3: First off, we have qualifiers coming up in March for

710
00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:16,040
Speaker 3: the Euros, and the eurogroups are going to be really interesting.

711
00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:17,280
Speaker 2: So before I get to that point, let me talk

712
00:33:17,280 --> 00:33:18,280
Speaker 2: about the Euros.

713
00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:23,880
Speaker 3: March twenty seventh is the next international break and it

714
00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:27,320
Speaker 3: will be very interesting to see the fact that England

715
00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:31,360
Speaker 3: plays Italy and they're in the same group together. The

716
00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:34,680
Speaker 3: Dutch are in a difficult group with France. They're gonna

717
00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:39,720
Speaker 3: play in March as well. Next week you know you'll

718
00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:41,840
Speaker 3: get Scotland and Spain. Norway is in a group where

719
00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:44,400
Speaker 3: Holland has a real chance of qualifying here. So like

720
00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:47,080
Speaker 3: there's a lot of really interesting matches that you know

721
00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:52,320
Speaker 3: going around in that late March window, England Ukraine as well.

722
00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:55,320
Speaker 3: But yeah, I mean it'll be very interesting to see how.

723
00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:58,400
Speaker 2: That plays out. The Euros were really.

724
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Speaker 3: Fun and are always an underrated tournament and so you

725
00:34:01,320 --> 00:34:03,160
Speaker 3: know we only have to wait about eighteen months for that.

726
00:34:03,320 --> 00:34:05,160
Speaker 2: Plus the Kopak will be that summer as well.

727
00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:07,760
Speaker 3: In terms of international teams that are kind of on

728
00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:10,000
Speaker 3: the rise, I'll be really interested to see what Senegal

729
00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:12,480
Speaker 3: looks like in a couple of years, as as Mane

730
00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:15,200
Speaker 3: is finally fit again, you know, like the end of

731
00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:17,520
Speaker 3: his window as kind of the carrier of this team.

732
00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:19,359
Speaker 2: I thought they were very impressive in this World Cup.

733
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Speaker 3: I thought they were one piece away from being a

734
00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:23,640
Speaker 3: really really good team, and that piece with Saudi Omane,

735
00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:27,160
Speaker 3: so kind of having him makes them a really interesting,

736
00:34:28,160 --> 00:34:30,719
Speaker 3: you know, African team to watch in the coming you

737
00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:33,440
Speaker 3: know times, everybody's gonna be on the Morocco. So I'm

738
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Speaker 3: kind of off the Morocco train now. But you know,

739
00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:39,680
Speaker 3: it's tough to say at this point. But in terms

740
00:34:39,680 --> 00:34:41,640
Speaker 3: of like European teams that could be on the rise,

741
00:34:41,680 --> 00:34:45,480
Speaker 3: like maybe I don't know, maybe Norway. I was around

742
00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:46,280
Speaker 3: Ota Garden, Holland.

743
00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:49,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was really looking at that defense. Yeah, I

744
00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:53,919
Speaker 1: mean they like, I mean, here's the thing in international soccer, Like, yeah,

745
00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:55,440
Speaker 1: we could sit here and say Norway doesn't have a

746
00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:57,719
Speaker 1: good defense, or their midfield is or you know, is

747
00:34:57,800 --> 00:35:00,080
Speaker 1: kind of lacking, but like they have Holland and they

748
00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:02,400
Speaker 1: have Oodaguard and sometimes maybe that's all you need to

749
00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:04,200
Speaker 1: beat some of these smaller nations and actually get into

750
00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:08,040
Speaker 1: one of these competitions. So yeah, i'd say them. Another

751
00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:12,680
Speaker 1: team I'm kind of interested to see how things kind

752
00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:16,200
Speaker 1: of play out is honestly the Ukraine, because like they

753
00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:19,080
Speaker 1: have they have some talent coming through now, like Murdrick's

754
00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:21,440
Speaker 1: probably gonna make a move to a bigger club and

755
00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:25,680
Speaker 1: be a big name along with Sinchenko. They obviously still

756
00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:28,040
Speaker 1: have some young talent as well, so They're a very

757
00:35:28,080 --> 00:35:32,239
Speaker 1: interesting team. For me, I'm gonna stick in Africa. I

758
00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:33,920
Speaker 1: think a team we kind of forgot about because they

759
00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:36,759
Speaker 1: didn't make the World Cup is Nigeria. I truly believe

760
00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:39,320
Speaker 1: they're one of the three best teams in Africa. I

761
00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:42,920
Speaker 1: think we forget the amount of talent that this Nigerian

762
00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:45,880
Speaker 1: team has. And the thing is is the last Africa

763
00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:48,200
Speaker 1: Coup of Nations, they were like fifth or sixth on

764
00:35:48,239 --> 00:35:49,839
Speaker 1: the odds board. They were ten to one to win out,

765
00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:51,440
Speaker 1: which I thought was kind of a you know, I

766
00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:53,799
Speaker 1: ended up betting that and it didn't come true because

767
00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:55,480
Speaker 1: they got, you know, on the wrong side of some

768
00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:58,440
Speaker 1: variants against Nisha. But like we forget that they have

769
00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:04,560
Speaker 1: Victor Oshman, at Imlokman, Joe Ribo, alex Owobi, Indede, Calvin

770
00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:07,440
Speaker 1: BASSI Like, this team has a lot, a lot of

771
00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:11,160
Speaker 1: talent that can that truly again was just on the

772
00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:15,520
Speaker 1: wrong side of some variants in their two major competitions. Right,

773
00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:19,200
Speaker 1: So the afric Couple of Nations, they had a bad

774
00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:22,879
Speaker 1: result against Tanisha, like Tanisia basically just scored on one

775
00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:25,000
Speaker 1: hot bad hop and they win one nothing in the

776
00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:30,360
Speaker 1: knockout stage and then just one one goal from Ghana

777
00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:33,600
Speaker 1: outside the box from Thomas Party and that was the difference.

778
00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:35,880
Speaker 1: But Nigeria ended up dominating over the two legs. So like,

779
00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:38,399
Speaker 1: if those things go different Nigeria comes to this World Cup,

780
00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:41,160
Speaker 1: we could have been talking about them instead of Morocco.

781
00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:42,800
Speaker 1: But I agree with you, I'm gonna be very interested

782
00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:46,600
Speaker 1: when Afcon odds do come out because I think a

783
00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:48,759
Speaker 1: lot of people are going to overlook how talented this

784
00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:52,000
Speaker 1: Nigerian team is because the competition is going to be

785
00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:53,880
Speaker 1: in the Ivory Coast, Like they're gonna be one of

786
00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:59,319
Speaker 1: the favorites along with Morocco and Senegal. If Nigeria's fifth

787
00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:02,240
Speaker 1: or six odds board, I'm automatically going to betting them.

788
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:05,960
Speaker 1: And you know a couple other teams that I'm very

789
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:09,400
Speaker 1: interested to see what they look like in two or

790
00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:11,919
Speaker 1: three years. One is Spain, Like without Luis en Rique,

791
00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:13,279
Speaker 1: are they going to play a different style? Are they

792
00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:17,120
Speaker 1: going to try to stay more possession based, because like

793
00:37:17,120 --> 00:37:19,680
Speaker 1: like we say all the time, it's just it's great

794
00:37:19,719 --> 00:37:21,600
Speaker 1: to have a lot of possession, but if you cannot

795
00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:23,840
Speaker 1: do anything with it, then that becomes a real problem.

796
00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:26,640
Speaker 1: And that was very evident for Spain in this World Cup.

797
00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:31,000
Speaker 1: So they're they're an interesting team, mainly because they don't

798
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:33,240
Speaker 1: have an out and out striker outside of Marata. Although

799
00:37:33,239 --> 00:37:34,680
Speaker 1: we love him, he's getting up there in age. I

800
00:37:34,680 --> 00:37:37,120
Speaker 1: don't know how much longer he's going to be their

801
00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:40,520
Speaker 1: their number one striker. They have all this attacking talent,

802
00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:42,520
Speaker 1: they have, you know, one of the best midfields in

803
00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:46,320
Speaker 1: the entire world. Who do they bring in and who

804
00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:50,360
Speaker 1: can really steer them towards being you know, dominant again

805
00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:53,319
Speaker 1: like they were in the early twenty tens. So yeah,

806
00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:55,840
Speaker 1: for me, I'm really buying stock in Nigeria right now.

807
00:37:56,920 --> 00:37:58,640
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm looking at that Norway group and I

808
00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:00,560
Speaker 1: think that they can get out of the Euro qualifiers.

809
00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:04,480
Speaker 1: But yeah, so if you're somebody who loves these international

810
00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:07,200
Speaker 1: tournaments and you really just get into the international game

811
00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:09,760
Speaker 1: and you can't keep up the club calendar, I'm gonna

812
00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:13,040
Speaker 1: be doing more of these international stuff as we get

813
00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:15,320
Speaker 1: closer to these these qualifiers, doing a lot of writing

814
00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:17,000
Speaker 1: surrounding them. I'm not sure if we're gonna be able

815
00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:18,440
Speaker 1: if we're gonna be doing a podcast for them. We'll

816
00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:21,520
Speaker 1: see when we get there. You know, you can always

817
00:38:21,560 --> 00:38:23,680
Speaker 1: check out my international soccer rankings on the Action Nework

818
00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:26,040
Speaker 1: dot Com. I'll be having an update and pushing those

819
00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:32,360
Speaker 1: out uh Monday night early Tuesday morning, and that with that, Anthony,

820
00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:36,560
Speaker 1: we will tie a bow on the twenty twenty two

821
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Speaker 1: World Cup from Qatar. Thank you, thank you, thank you

822
00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:44,440
Speaker 1: to everybody who listened, who read all of our stuff

823
00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:46,799
Speaker 1: throughout the World Cup. It means the world to us.

824
00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:49,200
Speaker 1: You guys are the reason why we're able to sit

825
00:38:49,239 --> 00:38:51,480
Speaker 1: here and do these podcasts and do all these writings.

826
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Speaker 1: So thank you for listening. And we'll be back Thursday

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Speaker 1: morning for a Boxing Day preview. Michael Leebofa be back

828
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Speaker 1: in the host chair. So for Anthony Dubundo, I'm BJ Cunningham.

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