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Speaker 1: a physical timeline tied to it. And I the one

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Speaker 1: in my tone, I realized, you're an undrafted free agent

646
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Speaker 1: according to your bio, and you said, I'm going into

647
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648
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Speaker 1: it is, so every year you've been grinding, grinding, So

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Speaker 1: faith has has has played a major role because guess what,

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Speaker 1: you just never know what happens, you know, the one

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Speaker 1: talking negative but you just never know. And so now

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Speaker 1: your seventh year, where are you in respective to all

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Speaker 1: think UM. For me personally, I always say when you

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Speaker 1: could ask what your other and I said, going into

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Speaker 1: year seven, god willing you know, UM, And I really

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Speaker 1: believe that. UM. I literally take things one day at

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Speaker 1: a time. So for me personally, football has always been

659
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Speaker 1: a means to an end. Uh. In high school, I

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Speaker 1: way to start my own empire, build my own business,

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Speaker 1: of that stuff, and that would be startup capital. So

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Speaker 1: for me now in year seven, you know, I'm I'm

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Speaker 1: So I'm I'm Year seven for me is one of

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Speaker 1: And then you're starting linebacker for that's for the New

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711
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712
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Speaker 1: Making Conversations. The mastermind behind Culture Collective music executive and

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Speaker 1: investor Jonathan A. Zoo, thank you for having me. I

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Speaker 1: appreciate it. Well, you know, appreciate when I bring people

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Speaker 1: on the show. I want people know where they're on

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Speaker 1: the show. Yes, yes, you know, and well put guess

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Speaker 1: what I'll saying? Well put, well they tell me about

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Speaker 1: this because you know your management we are as a

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Speaker 1: person who's managed talent before and currently still managing talent.

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Speaker 1: You know when I stop managing Steve Harbor, I thought

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Speaker 1: I was done. I said, you know, uh, and then

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Speaker 1: all of a sudden I got pulled back in, Jonathan,

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Speaker 1: I got pulled back here. People people read the bio.

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Speaker 1: This can you do? Certainly it is a favor, you know.

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Speaker 1: I don't want to spend time because a lot of

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Speaker 1: people don't understand boy management. Is that your part uh husband,

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Speaker 1: poor wife, port friend, port council, port father, part dog.

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Speaker 1: You're a lot of things when you manage talent. Please

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Speaker 1: tell people your experience. Am I am? I not missing.

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Speaker 1: I am not trying to mislead people when they're getting

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Speaker 1: into the management game. You have to invest your time

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Speaker 1: both were emotionally and physically into somebody's success. Yeah, you

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Speaker 1: you really do you you give up every aspect of

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Speaker 1: who you are, and it's it's a lifestyle business. And

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Speaker 1: I've been able to experience that at a very high level, um,

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Speaker 1: artists you know, at every shape and size, but the

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Speaker 1: every aspect of your life, right. And so I always

825
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Speaker 1: own personal family. Um. Because that's just that's that's just

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Speaker 1: the nature of the business. And that's why I always

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Speaker 1: so it becomes relatable as to why I got on

834
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Speaker 1: You know. In addition to that, you know, part of

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