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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: And welcome back to Coast to Coast George Noriy with you,

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Speaker 2: Ryan Wood with us, prominent you fologists and researcher. Widely

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Speaker 2: recognized for his expertise in the investigation of UFO phenomenon

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Speaker 2: government cover ups and with a background in mathematics and

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Speaker 2: computer science, Ryan has been at the forefront of UFO

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Speaker 2: research for decades, building upon his late father's legacy in

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Speaker 2: the field. He is the author of the book Magic

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Speaker 2: Eyes Only. And here he is back on Coast to

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Speaker 2: Coast Ryan, how are you.

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Speaker 3: Sir, I'm great, George. You know, I'm excited to talk

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Speaker 3: about Andy gravity and and dig through all my father's

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Speaker 3: late father's file. Actually, you know, on twenty three boxes

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Speaker 3: are suddenly now mine.

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Speaker 2: I wanted to say too before we start, that our

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Speaker 2: deepest conseidolence is on his death. He was a remarkable guy, Ryan.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I appreciate that, and I've gotten lots of

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Speaker 3: great comments from very prominent people about his his efforts

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Speaker 3: and legacy in life, not only in the UFO field,

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Speaker 3: but in being the president of Rotary and the President's

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Speaker 3: Exchange club and uh his commitment to the Methodist Church

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Speaker 3: and uh so it's much more to him than just ufology.

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Speaker 3: But that was a big interest.

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Speaker 2: You picked up a lot of his traits, my friends.

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Speaker 3: Well, thank you. I just it's a high standard to

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Speaker 3: keep up to when I'm just.

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Speaker 2: Trying what's going on in the world of antique gravity research.

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Speaker 3: Well, you know, Uh, I stroke my kid and and said,

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Speaker 3: you know what is what is the really big secret?

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Speaker 3: I mean, I knew about crashes a long long time ago,

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Speaker 3: but then I really got to thinking about reverse engineering

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Speaker 3: and gravity control and man made UFOs and started to

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Speaker 3: dig in on the principle of man made UFOs and

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Speaker 3: that led to some historical research and that's been very

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Speaker 3: interesting tracing it back all the way to nineteen fifty one.

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Speaker 3: As the first good quality newspaper article that I found

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Speaker 3: about a guy the name of Dudley Clark and CE Labs.

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Speaker 3: Kind of unusual. He's out in the Coachella Valley near

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Speaker 3: Palm Springs with what amounts to be six million dollars

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Speaker 3: down a dirt road and eight or nine engineers working

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Speaker 3: on gravity insulators. It was with a long history, and

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Speaker 3: it was Navy contracts and atomic energy can mission and

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Speaker 3: experience in all sorts of different patents. So it was

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Speaker 3: my first real clue back to the origin of what

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Speaker 3: I believe is when the investigation and the reverse engineering

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Speaker 3: and started to push the aerospace people started to push

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Speaker 3: to try to figure out the equations and figure out

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Speaker 3: the answers.

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Speaker 2: Do you think the propulsion system of UFOs is definitely

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Speaker 2: anti gravity?

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Speaker 3: Well, it's sort of an interesting term anti gravity. I mean,

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Speaker 3: it's really gravity control or ability to manipulate inertia, or

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Speaker 3: maybe it's in other cases interdimensional or inner time dimensional,

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Speaker 3: and maybe that's the artifact of gravity, but that's just

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Speaker 3: sort of speculation. It is. I think that's the fundamental

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Speaker 3: breakthrough that we as human beings made in our scientists.

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Speaker 3: We may have had help by looking at reverse engineering

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Speaker 3: of flying saucers and crash saucers, but I think it's

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Speaker 3: actually the humans that figured it out and then we

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Speaker 3: knew what to do how to build aircraft.

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Speaker 2: Did your father work on anti gravity research?

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Speaker 3: And was he ever?

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Speaker 2: He was with Douglas Aircraft for a long time, wasn't he.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, Well he's spent his entire career some forty

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Speaker 3: and in sixty seven, sixty eight, sixty nine he convinced

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Speaker 3: gravity control. He actually was in a meeting with his

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Speaker 3: management and they asked him, well, Bob, what are you

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Speaker 3: like fifty UFO books and there's only one question left,

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Speaker 3: and well what's that, Bob? Are we going to figure

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Speaker 3: out how gravity works before or after Lockey does? And

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Speaker 3: you know, and that was what pushed the management to say, okay, yeah,

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Speaker 3: how much money do you want to that? And so

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Speaker 3: for it. But they also interviewed abductee Brian Scott, sort

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Speaker 2: Before McDonald douglas merged with the Boeing Company, they had

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Speaker 2: a very heavy presence here in Saint Louis where I

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Speaker 3: Ryan.

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Speaker 2: Did your father ever come to Saint Louis?

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Speaker 3: Oh, yeah, he did. I remember him and my mother,

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Speaker 3: you know, sort of arguing about, you know, they want

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Speaker 3: you to go to Saint Louis for another week or something,

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Speaker 3: and he did. He often he often went on business trips,

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Speaker 3: but that was mostly for rocket work and because he

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Speaker 3: when you know he was doing the gravity research, this

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Speaker 3: is when you know, I as a fourteen year old

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Speaker 3: and learned a little bit about gray and flying saucers

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Speaker 3: early exposure that I had to ufology.

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Speaker 2: Stan was a great guy who was my first radio

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Speaker 2: interview back in nineteen seventy one.

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Speaker 3: Ryan, Wow, that's tremendous. Yeah, he was there and I

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Speaker 3: knew him to talk to him several times, and he

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Speaker 2: He was one of a kind. His grave basket I

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Speaker 2: always remember that. Yeah, yeah, So where do we stand

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Speaker 3: Do we have it or not? What do you think? Yes,

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Speaker 3: I think we have it. And there's a bunch of

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Speaker 3: But then you start to get to some of the

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Speaker 3: or describe draft that appear to be, you know, man made.

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Speaker 3: One of the most sort of compelling ones is the

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Speaker 3: story of Eddie Laxton in nineteen sixty six, Oklahoma, Right, yeah, Temple, Oklahoma.

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Speaker 3: Where's this is an Air Force master sergeant that comes

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Speaker 3: reports it to the Project Blue Book. And it's virtually

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Speaker 3: identical to an earlier newspaper article in fifty five which

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Speaker 3: sort of just shows this elongated teardrop shaped craft called

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Speaker 3: the g engines are coming. And that particular case is

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Speaker 3: really pretty compelling in that you have this worrying noise,

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Speaker 3: clues to how you control gravity. It's clearly has something

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Speaker 3: And then there's some other cases that are that are

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Speaker 3: interesting as well. In nineteen fifty nine in New Zealand,

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Speaker 3: The sort of counterclockwise, as is also another interesting clue.

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Speaker 2: That's generally what we see with Eddie gravity technology. Isn't

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Speaker 2: it that kind of spinning rotation.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, you see spinning sometimes a different rates. Then

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Speaker 3: we also see a lot of electrostatic activity. And actually

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Speaker 3: back to smoke rings. There's another great case in September

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Speaker 3: in nineteen sixty seven out in Coastal Clusa, California, where

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Speaker 3: real UFOs don't have any of these tentacles hanging down

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Speaker 3: that sometime in the early sixties, you know, we got

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Speaker 2: Wasn't there a situation in ninety five with Art Bell

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Speaker 2: Coast to coast Ryan, what was ben Rich from Rockheed,

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Speaker 2: the late ben Rich? What was his role with all

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Speaker 2: didn't he?

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, he definitely did. What's what's interesting about ben

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Speaker 3: Rich is that upon his retirement in I think nineteen

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Speaker 3: director of the Mutual Uphone Network, and he said, you know,

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Speaker 3: we have the technology to take et home. Well, we

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Speaker 3: know how to travel to the stars, and there's an

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Speaker 3: air in the equations, and we've figured it out and

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Speaker 3: we now know how to travel to the stars and

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Speaker 3: it won't take a lifetime to do it. And you know,

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Speaker 3: this air in the equations is fascinating in that you know,

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Speaker 3: ets aren't going to give you equations on a piece

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Speaker 3: of paper. It's only human beings that I think figure

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Speaker 3: out equations. And you know, Einstein's general relativity or Maxwell's

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Speaker 3: But you know that's pretty compelling evidence. You know that

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