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Speaker 1: Hey there, folks. Did is a busy Monday, February second,

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Speaker 1: and we have a verdict and they so call old

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Speaker 1: pair a fair murder trial. And it does seem that

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Speaker 1: the jury believed the old pair. And with that, welcome

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Speaker 1: to this once again, Roam's another breaking news edition of

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Speaker 1: Amy and TJ. We've been watching this for weeks now,

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Speaker 1: this trial, folks have been keeping their eyes on it

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Speaker 1: for years. Really, we got the.

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Speaker 2: Verdict guilty on all counts, unanimous decision. Jury took what

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Speaker 2: just shy of nine hours to determine Brendan Banfield's fate,

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Speaker 2: but it was we've weighed in what we thought might happen.

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Speaker 2: This was not what I expected.

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Speaker 1: Across the board, guilty on all counts. And the more

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Speaker 1: they went, the longer he went with deliberations, I guess,

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Speaker 1: the more we might have thought that maybe there is

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Speaker 1: some discord in that room. But it was unanimous. Were

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Speaker 1: two counts of aggravated murder, guilty on those, another count

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Speaker 1: of using a firearm and commission of a felony guilty,

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Speaker 1: and account of child endangerment guilty on all counts. We

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Speaker 1: have been watching this a short time ago. Roves, there

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Speaker 1: was a lot that was made because we cameras were

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Speaker 1: in the courtroom about how he appeared, even when he testified,

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Speaker 1: how he appeared almost robotic, very stoic, not emotional, even

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Speaker 1: talking about his dead wife at times. Saw something different

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Speaker 1: from him today.

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Speaker 3: Yet he looked defeated.

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Speaker 2: I think before he really believed that he had a shot.

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Speaker 2: And my guess is because the jury didn't come back

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Speaker 2: with a quick verdict. They deliberated about three and a

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Speaker 2: half hours on Friday, so they did not come up

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Speaker 2: with a verdict. So you're thinking he's probably over the

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Speaker 2: weekend thinking that's a good sign. You know, they didn't

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Speaker 2: all of a sudden immediately say guilty unanimous.

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Speaker 3: Right, So he's sinking I got a shot. I got

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Speaker 3: a shot.

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Speaker 2: Then he comes back into court on Monday today and

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Speaker 2: we're at the end of the day four thirty and

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Speaker 2: that's when we find out.

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Speaker 3: The jury has reached a unanimous verdict.

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Speaker 2: So he's had nine hours plus the weekend to think

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Speaker 2: maybe maybe, maybe maybe I'll.

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Speaker 1: Get out of prison, and there was a chance. Here

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Speaker 1: we are on this Monday. Yes, he was guilty on

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Speaker 1: all counts. I guess not necessarily a lot of drama.

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Speaker 1: Ultimately Robes, But there was some pretty high drama before

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Speaker 1: we found out about the verdict because the bailiff, they say,

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Speaker 1: goes in and checks on the jury at a certain time,

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Speaker 1: checks on him at four to say, hey, you all

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Speaker 1: or you want to wrap it up. So we were

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Speaker 1: expecting Robes they some kind of an answer to that

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Speaker 1: they're going to go home, because if they did, then

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Speaker 1: we knew we could kind of check out, if you will,

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Speaker 1: so we kept eye on it. But the guy goes

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Speaker 1: at four and checks on him, and he doesn't necessarily

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Speaker 1: give them a straight answer.

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Speaker 2: Right, They're like, can you just give us fifteen more

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Speaker 2: minutes and we'll let you know. So that means that

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Speaker 2: there definitely were there was at least a holdout. There

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Speaker 2: could have been a few holdouts, people who weren't sure

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Speaker 2: about We don't know which charge, any of the charges,

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Speaker 2: but clearly they weren't all on the same page. Necessarily

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Speaker 2: they said give us fifteen minutes. They knew they were close.

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Speaker 2: I have never been on a jury, so I have

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Speaker 2: no idea, and I imagine they're all different, probably depending

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Speaker 3: You have in the deliberation rooms. But I can't.

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Speaker 2: Imagine the pressure they're putting on one person or maybe

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Speaker 1: You know, it's possible as well. I didn't think about

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you never know.

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Speaker 1: Cloud they need fifteen minutes and then they go back.

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Speaker 1: The bailiff does go back at four fifteen to check

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 1: At this point, we're thinking, okay, they are not going home,

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Speaker 1: Core TV there coverage has been great, so thank you

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Speaker 1: all for the live coverage. But they at this point

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Speaker 2: It seemed at least yes, And so we were on

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Speaker 2: Banfield as he was waiting. That's just an unthinkable situation

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Speaker 2: wasn't dramatic, it wasn't emotional, but it was still present.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, in a way that was easily discernible. It doesn't

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Speaker 1: if you would have seen that guy in a freeze frame,

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Speaker 1: not having any idea who he was, you would go,

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Speaker 1: what's wrong with that guy? It was there. This was

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Speaker 1: a real emotional moment, and he didn't I don't think, right,

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Speaker 1: I'm just going through the process of what we just

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Speaker 1: They pretty immediately read the verdicts. They did ask for

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Speaker 1: the jury to be pulled, right, so they all had

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Speaker 1: to say out loud yes, yes, yes, They send them

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Speaker 1: did he ever speak? The judgeral spoke to.

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Speaker 3: Him, right, No, the judge never spoke to him.

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Speaker 2: In fact, when he did or sorry, when the judge

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Speaker 2: when she did address the defense asking questions, and he

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Speaker 2: looked I remember directly at his defense attorney. He did

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Speaker 2: and there was very little interaction, if any at all

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Speaker 2: mean that lawyer. He was up there in closing arguments

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Speaker 2: for an hour and a half and he made some

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Speaker 2: really good points. The big issue, the one that the

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Speaker 2: jury clearly couldn't overcome, I would imagine, is the one

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Speaker 2: that a lot of us had just there was no

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Speaker 2: viable option because in order for us to believe Brendan

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Speaker 2: Banfield story, we had to believe that Joe Ryan came

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Speaker 2: there to kill his wife. And nothing suggested that, nothing

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Speaker 3: And that was a very tough hurdle to get over.

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Speaker 1: You know, doubt, it's reasonable, not beyond all doubt. They

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Speaker 1: person you're supposed to should have doubts, but do they

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Speaker 1: rise to the level. And it's tough. And you were

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Speaker 1: the one that pointed that I was a thing for you.

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Speaker 1: Why even if he's there with a guy who walked

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Speaker 3: That does not.

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Speaker 2: Make any sense, it makes sense. So that for me

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Speaker 2: was something he couldn't explain away, and that was what

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Speaker 2: I was looking for. I'm sure that's what durors were

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Speaker 2: looking for when he took the stand. Now, looking back,

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Speaker 2: I really don't think he Even if he hadn't taken

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Speaker 2: because Juliana the ou pair Juliana Marclais her testimony. Even

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Speaker 2: frustrating that he she conveniently couldn't remember anything that made

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Speaker 3: Still, the story she told.

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Speaker 2: I can understand why the defense didn't want her voice

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Speaker 1: Do you remember how much detail she gave about what

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean she she gave.

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Speaker 2: I mean she obviously just her second language, so it

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Speaker 2: doesn't it didn't feel as clear as maybe the way

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Speaker 2: Brendan had to explain it.

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Speaker 3: But she's stuck to the narrative that, yes.

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Speaker 1: But that he was literally on top of her and

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Speaker 1: killed her. Right, That's why he had to testify. Yes,

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Speaker 1: you got to some kind of way counter that statement.

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Speaker 2: Someone is testifying who once said she loved you and

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Speaker 2: would do anything for you and would die for you,

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Speaker 2: and is now sitting up there testifying that you brutally,

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Speaker 2: So I given that having that be the only narrative

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Speaker 2: be because someone put it this way, there are only

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Speaker 2: two people who know what Sorry, there were four people

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Speaker 2: who know what happened in that room. Two of them

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Speaker 2: are dead and one of them is testifying. So what

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Speaker 2: do you do if you're the defendant, you have to

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Speaker 1: You have to counter that. At this point, this has

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Speaker 1: been one of the wildest well not necessarily just trials,

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Speaker 1: I think just schemes or crimes that you're ever going

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Speaker 1: That's the story.

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Speaker 2: And so yes, the jury convicted him of doing all

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Speaker 2: of those things. And if you think about it, this

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Speaker 2: And by looking at him, seeing what his life was

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Speaker 2: is evil, that is twisted. That is killing an innocent

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Speaker 3: That is as evil as it gets.

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Speaker 2: And to think that he trusted a twenty one year old,

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Speaker 3: It flies in the face of logic.

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Speaker 1: You know, it was so ridiculous that I had a

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Speaker 1: hard time. I was saying, well, nobody's going to do

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Speaker 1: that after six weeks with some random twenty one year

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Speaker 1: old from Brazil. I look, men, we're guilty of doing

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Speaker 1: some really, really stupid stuff in the name of lust.

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Speaker 1: But that was just over six weeks, and I had

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Speaker 3: Yes, And then to do it on your birthday.

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Speaker 2: To do it when you know your wife's parents are

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Speaker 3: Off with your daughter somewhere.

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Speaker 2: It just I thought there's no way somebody would do

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Speaker 3: It seemed impossible. And yet a jury said he's guilty.

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Speaker 1: They said he's guilty. He was in court, what would

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Speaker 1: do you get it before the movie is made about this.

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Speaker 2: Oh, they're probably in the works right now, because look,

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Speaker 2: So yes, I think that is one hundred percent happening

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Speaker 1: Later, and she will probably be cashing those checks at

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Speaker 1: They gave her the okay, she cut her deal, she's gone,

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Speaker 2: I have to say that was a huge part of

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Speaker 2: because Juliana Marclay's got such a sweetheart deal.

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Speaker 3: She basically paid with what a year.

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Speaker 2: Two years in prison for murder for admitting to murdering

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Speaker 2: That's that's hard to then take that person's testimony credibly

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Speaker 1: We haven't seen, don't know if we will hear anything

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Speaker 1: I think they finally settled on early May. Happened there

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Speaker 3: Oh no, I'm saying they settled on May eighth.

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Speaker 1: I think, isn't this mandatory life? I believe aggravated murder

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Speaker 1: You can only have aggravated murder if you kill two

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Speaker 3: And yes, a conviction carries.

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Speaker 2: A mandatory sentence of life imprisonment without parole.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if we'll hear from the I know

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Speaker 3: So not only did he.

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Speaker 1: She'll be there. I don't know if you saw the

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Speaker 3: I mean, it's just a surreal situation.

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Speaker 2: So it's likely we will hear from several family members

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Speaker 2: I'm I'm retiring July.

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Speaker 2: I want to get she's been in a hurry this

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Speaker 2: retiring in July, that reads she's seen enough. She's seen

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Speaker 2: a lot, but this will probably be one of her

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Speaker 3: In what a case to go out on.

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Speaker 2: So we appreciate you as always listening to us, and

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Speaker 2: we thank you.

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Speaker 3: I'm Amy Roebuck alongside my partner t J. Holmes. I'll

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