1 00:00:01,960 --> 00:00:03,840 Speaker 1: Previously on Meedian House. 2 00:00:05,480 --> 00:00:10,600 Speaker 2: The earth is something we honor land, material resources, food, plants, air, water, 3 00:00:11,080 --> 00:00:12,640 Speaker 2: and so these are meant to be shared. 4 00:00:12,880 --> 00:00:14,280 Speaker 3: If you have, you give. 5 00:00:15,080 --> 00:00:17,480 Speaker 4: If we're doing this right, if we're finding for liberation, 6 00:00:17,600 --> 00:00:19,800 Speaker 4: there shouldn't be a jazz, there shouldn't be a polos fantry. 7 00:00:19,960 --> 00:00:21,840 Speaker 4: It doesn't exist in the work that we were doing, 8 00:00:21,840 --> 00:00:24,680 Speaker 4: wouldn't have to exist. So how do we drive ourselves 9 00:00:24,720 --> 00:00:26,080 Speaker 4: to being out of business? 10 00:00:26,400 --> 00:00:29,760 Speaker 5: When you're being paid like eighty thousand dollars projected into 11 00:00:29,760 --> 00:00:32,879 Speaker 5: one hundred thousand, you kind of compromise, at least in 12 00:00:32,960 --> 00:00:35,599 Speaker 5: the beginning. You know, you can only evade guilt for 13 00:00:35,640 --> 00:00:39,880 Speaker 5: so long until it really begins to be sort of crippling. 14 00:00:48,400 --> 00:00:51,800 Speaker 2: Welcome back to Whedian House. I'm your host, Theo Henderson. 15 00:00:52,600 --> 00:00:56,120 Speaker 2: After our short history on mutual aid, charity and philanthropy 16 00:00:56,240 --> 00:00:59,560 Speaker 2: with some of my favorite people in the Los Angeles activity, 17 00:01:00,360 --> 00:01:02,880 Speaker 2: this week, Weedian House is going on the road to 18 00:01:03,000 --> 00:01:07,000 Speaker 2: San Diego, wherever and House are being violently hospital dumped. 19 00:01:07,920 --> 00:01:12,640 Speaker 2: But first, a few shoutouts to our listeners. A big 20 00:01:12,680 --> 00:01:16,160 Speaker 2: thank you to Kristin Haranaka from Los Angeles for reaching 21 00:01:16,160 --> 00:01:19,880 Speaker 2: out with a great question on how to volunteer. One 22 00:01:19,959 --> 00:01:23,520 Speaker 2: excellent place to volunteer is to go to Jaytown Action 23 00:01:23,600 --> 00:01:26,920 Speaker 2: and Solidarity and fill out their survey. You can find 24 00:01:26,959 --> 00:01:30,760 Speaker 2: them on Jaytownaction dot com. Another big thank you goes 25 00:01:30,800 --> 00:01:33,920 Speaker 2: to New York City student Awa Kamara, who is interested 26 00:01:33,959 --> 00:01:37,440 Speaker 2: in the housing crisis and is helping to pass the 27 00:01:37,600 --> 00:01:41,600 Speaker 2: Eviction Protection Act. I'm looking forward to being interviewed by 28 00:01:41,640 --> 00:01:44,480 Speaker 2: you and your school on March first. They are part 29 00:01:44,520 --> 00:01:49,120 Speaker 2: of the Freedom and Citizenship Program at Columbia University. Lastly, 30 00:01:49,200 --> 00:01:51,880 Speaker 2: thank you to Victoria f for asking Median House to 31 00:01:51,920 --> 00:01:56,560 Speaker 2: interview Green Party presidential candidate Jasmin Sherman. Don't stop sharing 32 00:01:56,560 --> 00:01:59,520 Speaker 2: Weedian House with your friends. This show has been a 33 00:01:59,640 --> 00:02:02,560 Speaker 2: friendly community effort that is my hope to continue to 34 00:02:02,560 --> 00:02:08,120 Speaker 2: do so. We've got Weedian House news to cover. We 35 00:02:08,200 --> 00:02:12,720 Speaker 2: can start with weather. Heavy rains has been coming down 36 00:02:12,760 --> 00:02:16,440 Speaker 2: across California in the last several weeks, leaving the n 37 00:02:16,560 --> 00:02:21,000 Speaker 2: House extremely vulnerable. Weedian House previous episodes have covered issues 38 00:02:21,000 --> 00:02:25,560 Speaker 2: like hypothermia, lack a shelter, and lack a bed availability. 39 00:02:26,520 --> 00:02:30,040 Speaker 2: We will replay a list of shelters, locations and numbers 40 00:02:30,080 --> 00:02:34,480 Speaker 2: in Los Angeles County forty four beds at Volunteers of 41 00:02:34,520 --> 00:02:39,040 Speaker 2: America address forty five one hundred and fifty sixtieth Street 42 00:02:39,280 --> 00:02:43,080 Speaker 2: in West Lancaster, California. The population they serve is co 43 00:02:43,280 --> 00:02:47,480 Speaker 2: ED thirty five beds at Advancing Communities Together. It is 44 00:02:47,520 --> 00:02:50,080 Speaker 2: at thirty eighth six hundred and twenty six to ninth 45 00:02:50,080 --> 00:02:55,160 Speaker 2: Street in East Palmdale, California. Only open from seven pm 46 00:02:55,280 --> 00:02:58,240 Speaker 2: to seven am on weekdays and twenty four hours on 47 00:02:58,280 --> 00:03:04,200 Speaker 2: Saturday and Sunday. Relation served co ED fifty beds at 48 00:03:04,240 --> 00:03:08,840 Speaker 2: home at Last eighty seven sixty eight South Broadway, Los Angeles. 49 00:03:09,160 --> 00:03:16,120 Speaker 2: Population served women eleven beds at Assured Lifestyle Housing ninety 50 00:03:16,120 --> 00:03:20,480 Speaker 2: five nineteen South Figaroa, Los Angeles. Population served co ED 51 00:03:21,720 --> 00:03:25,880 Speaker 2: nine beds at Assured Lifestyle Housing seven hundred West Florence, 52 00:03:26,120 --> 00:03:31,400 Speaker 2: Los Angeles. Population served co ED forty one beds at 53 00:03:31,440 --> 00:03:35,640 Speaker 2: First to Serve seventeen eighteen West Vernon Avenue, Los Angeles. 54 00:03:35,960 --> 00:03:42,600 Speaker 2: Population served co ED sixty beds at Bryant Temple Community Development, 55 00:03:42,920 --> 00:03:47,840 Speaker 2: fifty five hundred South Hoover Street, Los Angeles. Population served 56 00:03:48,000 --> 00:03:52,440 Speaker 2: men thirty two beds at Abundant Blessings eleven thirty three 57 00:03:52,600 --> 00:03:59,080 Speaker 2: South Ardmore Avenue, Los Angeles population served men fifty five 58 00:03:59,160 --> 00:04:03,720 Speaker 2: beds at New Reflections eighty three eleven Southwestern Avenue, Los 59 00:04:03,760 --> 00:04:11,080 Speaker 2: Angeles population served men eleven bets at Whittier First Day twelve, 60 00:04:11,160 --> 00:04:15,760 Speaker 2: four hundred and twenty six Whittier Boulevard, Whittier, California population 61 00:04:15,960 --> 00:04:20,039 Speaker 2: served co ED and forty bets at First to serve 62 00:04:20,520 --> 00:04:23,920 Speaker 2: seven hundred and two West Anaheon Street, Long Beach, California 63 00:04:24,680 --> 00:04:26,400 Speaker 2: population served co ED. 64 00:04:29,440 --> 00:04:30,320 Speaker 1: Our next story. 65 00:04:31,320 --> 00:04:34,599 Speaker 2: Since the last Unhouse news segment, we discussed the disastrous 66 00:04:34,600 --> 00:04:39,080 Speaker 2: bill introduced which is HB five in Kentucky to recap 67 00:04:39,520 --> 00:04:42,760 Speaker 2: is given authority to kill and harm unhoused people with 68 00:04:42,880 --> 00:04:48,080 Speaker 2: zero repercussions. The bill passed and now the unhoused community 69 00:04:48,240 --> 00:04:51,480 Speaker 2: in Kentucky will have one more legalized hunting measure to 70 00:04:51,480 --> 00:04:59,160 Speaker 2: contend with. In San Mateo County, they have passed an 71 00:04:59,240 --> 00:05:03,560 Speaker 2: ordnance to allies two refusals of shelter. They will receive 72 00:05:03,640 --> 00:05:06,839 Speaker 2: two written warnings from law enforcements, which will turn into 73 00:05:06,960 --> 00:05:11,560 Speaker 2: misdemeanors for people that don't know. Here's the thing about tickets. 74 00:05:11,800 --> 00:05:14,640 Speaker 2: If you don't pay them for long enough, that turns 75 00:05:14,680 --> 00:05:18,719 Speaker 2: into a warrant. Unhoused people are busy, worried about food, 76 00:05:18,839 --> 00:05:22,599 Speaker 2: shelter and taking care of their community. They have a 77 00:05:22,720 --> 00:05:26,720 Speaker 2: lot more important things to do and worry about in 78 00:05:26,880 --> 00:05:29,960 Speaker 2: paying a ticket with money they don't have for just 79 00:05:30,040 --> 00:05:34,080 Speaker 2: trying to survive out in the elements. Once there's a warrant, 80 00:05:34,160 --> 00:05:37,080 Speaker 2: now the cops are being given legal permission to harass 81 00:05:37,279 --> 00:05:40,960 Speaker 2: and arrest you for being unhoused, although a lot of 82 00:05:41,000 --> 00:05:44,920 Speaker 2: them don't wait for permission anyway. In theory, if I'm 83 00:05:44,960 --> 00:05:48,159 Speaker 2: ticketed for sleeping outside, which is illegal in Los Angeles 84 00:05:48,240 --> 00:05:51,599 Speaker 2: under forty one eighteen, and I can't pay, the cops 85 00:05:51,600 --> 00:05:54,520 Speaker 2: will be able to arrest me. And if I couldn't 86 00:05:54,560 --> 00:05:56,960 Speaker 2: pay those tickets, how would I pay for bail or 87 00:05:57,040 --> 00:06:00,720 Speaker 2: legal counsel once I'm thrown in jail. It wouldn't be possible, 88 00:06:01,160 --> 00:06:04,600 Speaker 2: And of course they know that, and so in this scenario, 89 00:06:05,000 --> 00:06:07,400 Speaker 2: an unhoused person would end up spending more time in 90 00:06:07,480 --> 00:06:10,960 Speaker 2: jail and then be released right back where they started, 91 00:06:11,600 --> 00:06:15,760 Speaker 2: unhoused and without any money resources, where they've be ticketed 92 00:06:16,200 --> 00:06:19,520 Speaker 2: or existing. Only this time they are coming out with 93 00:06:19,560 --> 00:06:22,599 Speaker 2: a supposed criminal record, and the police in the city 94 00:06:22,839 --> 00:06:25,640 Speaker 2: are free to keep the cycle going. You did it 95 00:06:25,680 --> 00:06:28,359 Speaker 2: at the costs and benefit of house people, all to 96 00:06:28,440 --> 00:06:31,600 Speaker 2: make it look like they're doing something to address houselessness, 97 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:36,520 Speaker 2: and of course they're not. Sam Matteo's supervisors unanimously approve 98 00:06:36,680 --> 00:06:40,240 Speaker 2: this measure, and they are currently one eight hundred unhoused 99 00:06:40,240 --> 00:06:44,280 Speaker 2: people in the county. That's why this decision is so important. 100 00:06:44,800 --> 00:06:48,520 Speaker 2: It assumes that unhoused people are a monolith who should 101 00:06:48,600 --> 00:06:51,200 Speaker 2: have to accept the first options giving to them, and 102 00:06:51,279 --> 00:07:00,240 Speaker 2: if they don't accept it, they can be arrested. Of 103 00:07:00,279 --> 00:07:03,920 Speaker 2: unhoused numbers, the houses count began in New York on 104 00:07:04,000 --> 00:07:08,440 Speaker 2: January twenty third, Los Angeles on January twenty fourth, San Diego, 105 00:07:08,560 --> 00:07:12,560 Speaker 2: and San Mateo on January twenty fifth. This is required 106 00:07:12,600 --> 00:07:16,240 Speaker 2: by the US Department of Housing. While houselessness the bill 107 00:07:16,480 --> 00:07:20,000 Speaker 2: Ordnisance against the unhoused, is on the rise, this is 108 00:07:20,160 --> 00:07:24,640 Speaker 2: peers as an empty gesture, especially since the Supreme Court 109 00:07:24,720 --> 00:07:28,400 Speaker 2: is currently weighing in on how to displace more community 110 00:07:28,680 --> 00:07:32,480 Speaker 2: and house members. Our society is on a delicate balancing 111 00:07:32,520 --> 00:07:37,080 Speaker 2: point between subtle erasure and legalizing subtle extermination of poor, 112 00:07:37,160 --> 00:07:45,000 Speaker 2: vulnerable people. In Los Angeles, Urban Alchemy was filmed spraying 113 00:07:45,080 --> 00:07:48,440 Speaker 2: water at and near an unhoused person to force them 114 00:07:48,440 --> 00:07:52,080 Speaker 2: to move. Urban Alchemy stated many of his staff have 115 00:07:52,200 --> 00:07:57,559 Speaker 2: served life sentences and are formerly unhoused. Urban Alchemy based 116 00:07:57,600 --> 00:08:01,800 Speaker 2: operations is in San Francisco, California. In Los Angeles, the 117 00:08:01,840 --> 00:08:05,760 Speaker 2: city has awarded Urban Alchemy fourteen million dollars and this 118 00:08:05,960 --> 00:08:10,160 Speaker 2: action by Urban Alchemy befits this quote from Simone de Beauvoir. 119 00:08:11,320 --> 00:08:15,160 Speaker 2: The oppressor would not be so strong if we did 120 00:08:15,200 --> 00:08:22,920 Speaker 2: not have accomplices among the oppressed. In Brian, Ohio, Pastor 121 00:08:23,200 --> 00:08:26,280 Speaker 2: Chris Avail has been charged by Housing the Young Housed. 122 00:08:26,600 --> 00:08:31,320 Speaker 2: Eighteen zoning violations were levied against Pastor. Vail was now 123 00:08:31,440 --> 00:08:35,800 Speaker 2: suing the city of Brian, the Mayor Carrie Schlade, Chief 124 00:08:35,840 --> 00:08:42,040 Speaker 2: of Police Jamie Mendez, and Fire Chief Doug Pool. And finally, 125 00:08:42,080 --> 00:08:44,600 Speaker 2: this week's Unhoused News exclusive is part two of my 126 00:08:44,679 --> 00:08:49,800 Speaker 2: interview with Aaron Flores, an environmental compliance inspector turned videographer. 127 00:08:50,120 --> 00:08:53,280 Speaker 2: We spoke last November after an event and in part 128 00:08:53,280 --> 00:08:56,320 Speaker 2: one began discussing our differences and opinion on how encampments 129 00:08:56,320 --> 00:09:00,560 Speaker 2: are treated by the city. Here's the rest of our chat. 130 00:09:02,720 --> 00:09:04,640 Speaker 5: This is probably the limiting point of where we start 131 00:09:04,640 --> 00:09:08,880 Speaker 5: getting into disagreements because I do believe that there are 132 00:09:09,000 --> 00:09:13,679 Speaker 5: health hazards that are produced in encampments. And my concern 133 00:09:13,800 --> 00:09:17,160 Speaker 5: mainly is just that I don't feel that the bureaucratic 134 00:09:17,240 --> 00:09:19,920 Speaker 5: process in which the city takes where you only a 135 00:09:19,920 --> 00:09:22,560 Speaker 5: lot thirty minutes, you don't really try to understand people's 136 00:09:22,600 --> 00:09:26,640 Speaker 5: stories and stuff like that. I don't agree with that. However, 137 00:09:26,880 --> 00:09:32,040 Speaker 5: I do agree that it's just this weird, complex thing 138 00:09:32,080 --> 00:09:36,360 Speaker 5: that you see because there's people living within their own 139 00:09:36,559 --> 00:09:38,600 Speaker 5: I guess, you know, like human fecal matter is so 140 00:09:38,679 --> 00:09:42,000 Speaker 5: close to them. Sometimes we spray the floor with bleach 141 00:09:42,120 --> 00:09:44,760 Speaker 5: and we see urine stains, and they're near that we 142 00:09:44,880 --> 00:09:47,760 Speaker 5: have to think a little bit about their own safety 143 00:09:47,960 --> 00:09:51,120 Speaker 5: as well. Like that's clearly not ethical. And this is 144 00:09:51,160 --> 00:09:55,600 Speaker 5: where it starts getting complicated, because even though these sweeps are, 145 00:09:55,760 --> 00:10:00,600 Speaker 5: you know, dehumanizing, I think leaving them there, not letting 146 00:10:00,640 --> 00:10:03,680 Speaker 5: them move is also a bit dehumanizing because it comes 147 00:10:03,679 --> 00:10:05,720 Speaker 5: across to me as very apathetic. 148 00:10:05,960 --> 00:10:07,880 Speaker 2: Let me point out something right here too, because you 149 00:10:07,880 --> 00:10:10,000 Speaker 2: do make a very good point. When I was on 150 00:10:10,040 --> 00:10:14,080 Speaker 2: the street and we would beg for bathrooms and they 151 00:10:14,080 --> 00:10:17,400 Speaker 2: would not apply it. In this city, they do not 152 00:10:17,520 --> 00:10:20,360 Speaker 2: allow people to use the bathroom unless you make a purchase. 153 00:10:20,800 --> 00:10:22,760 Speaker 2: And we all are human being, we all got to 154 00:10:22,800 --> 00:10:26,360 Speaker 2: go to the bathrooms, and some of them are mobility limited. 155 00:10:26,600 --> 00:10:29,240 Speaker 2: Some people are having challenges trying to find where they 156 00:10:29,240 --> 00:10:32,560 Speaker 2: can get rid of the ways. So those conversations never 157 00:10:32,679 --> 00:10:35,959 Speaker 2: get told to the ECI officers. And I'm not blaming them, 158 00:10:36,040 --> 00:10:39,880 Speaker 2: but they don't understand the limitations that are polls, why 159 00:10:40,000 --> 00:10:43,400 Speaker 2: that he is there and what they're doing. That is 160 00:10:43,440 --> 00:10:46,360 Speaker 2: where a lot of the actors we had loaterheads, because 161 00:10:46,760 --> 00:10:49,439 Speaker 2: that's the story that they're making this down, Like yeah, 162 00:10:49,440 --> 00:10:51,960 Speaker 2: if it's just a health condition, but yeah, it wouldn't 163 00:10:51,960 --> 00:10:54,959 Speaker 2: be one if you had manned bathrooms. It wouldn't be that, 164 00:10:55,320 --> 00:10:57,360 Speaker 2: you know, especially when people are in that house. People 165 00:10:57,360 --> 00:11:00,440 Speaker 2: were begging, and so I think one ec I see 166 00:11:00,480 --> 00:11:04,520 Speaker 2: that or seeing those things, it's easy to make the 167 00:11:04,559 --> 00:11:05,760 Speaker 2: sum total of the justment. 168 00:11:05,800 --> 00:11:06,959 Speaker 1: Well, you know we got to do this. 169 00:11:07,200 --> 00:11:09,079 Speaker 2: Yes, you wouldn't have to do it at all if 170 00:11:09,080 --> 00:11:11,520 Speaker 2: we had it now the necessary things that we need 171 00:11:11,559 --> 00:11:12,079 Speaker 2: to survive. 172 00:11:12,440 --> 00:11:15,679 Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I understand that. Yeah. I have been 173 00:11:15,720 --> 00:11:19,400 Speaker 5: asked at if you know, we could install a restroom. Obviously, 174 00:11:19,480 --> 00:11:23,720 Speaker 5: the reason why reshrooms aren't there is because This is 175 00:11:23,960 --> 00:11:27,400 Speaker 5: as I said, it gets complicated because people who live 176 00:11:27,480 --> 00:11:31,000 Speaker 5: around the area also don't want unhoused residents around them. 177 00:11:31,440 --> 00:11:35,680 Speaker 2: So sony about the people and urine when they see 178 00:11:35,720 --> 00:11:37,360 Speaker 2: it all littered down the streets and. 179 00:11:37,320 --> 00:11:38,960 Speaker 1: Things like that. Yeah, we all got to go to 180 00:11:39,000 --> 00:11:40,960 Speaker 1: the bath as a reality. 181 00:11:40,640 --> 00:11:41,000 Speaker 3: Of course. 182 00:11:41,080 --> 00:11:41,280 Speaker 2: Yeah. 183 00:11:41,640 --> 00:11:43,920 Speaker 5: The reason why I had mentioned house residents, you know, 184 00:11:43,960 --> 00:11:46,040 Speaker 5: I mean, you know people who who live in the area, 185 00:11:46,400 --> 00:11:50,000 Speaker 5: is because they don't want reshrooms in near the vicinity 186 00:11:50,360 --> 00:11:54,360 Speaker 5: because that would just attract people unhoused people to set 187 00:11:54,440 --> 00:11:58,120 Speaker 5: up around them. And yeah, you know, it gets as. 188 00:11:57,960 --> 00:11:59,240 Speaker 3: I said, it gets really complicated. 189 00:11:59,280 --> 00:12:03,200 Speaker 5: You have so many in this little I don't want 190 00:12:03,200 --> 00:12:05,720 Speaker 5: to call it a game, but whenever there's rules and 191 00:12:05,760 --> 00:12:08,920 Speaker 5: there's parties with different interests, it does become a game. 192 00:12:09,240 --> 00:12:12,960 Speaker 6: You have the city, you have the politicians. 193 00:12:12,240 --> 00:12:15,040 Speaker 5: You have the activists, you have the unhoused resident, you 194 00:12:15,120 --> 00:12:18,400 Speaker 5: have an organization like LASA who might be But if. 195 00:12:18,280 --> 00:12:19,760 Speaker 2: I made a point out of at it too, I 196 00:12:19,760 --> 00:12:21,719 Speaker 2: had worked at a mutual aid every Saturday in thear 197 00:12:21,760 --> 00:12:24,560 Speaker 2: a house and during the pandemic there was an house 198 00:12:24,600 --> 00:12:27,440 Speaker 2: encampment in the little fil field and we had to 199 00:12:27,440 --> 00:12:30,520 Speaker 2: fight to have bathrooms there. Then they would make play 200 00:12:30,559 --> 00:12:32,640 Speaker 2: the game that they wouldn't clean the bathrooms, they would 201 00:12:32,640 --> 00:12:35,920 Speaker 2: make the bathrooms ready overflow. They wouldn't have the bathrooms 202 00:12:35,920 --> 00:12:38,840 Speaker 2: a man, they've tried to create a car stow environment 203 00:12:38,960 --> 00:12:42,320 Speaker 2: that would make it so untenable set bathrooms. What would 204 00:12:42,320 --> 00:12:44,839 Speaker 2: be removed now here is the kicker that house people 205 00:12:44,880 --> 00:12:45,560 Speaker 2: don't understand. 206 00:12:45,679 --> 00:12:47,559 Speaker 1: House people use those bathrooms too. 207 00:12:47,800 --> 00:12:50,439 Speaker 2: Bus drivers they are not They don't are not able 208 00:12:50,480 --> 00:12:53,960 Speaker 2: to stop people that are visiting this our city because 209 00:12:54,000 --> 00:12:56,880 Speaker 2: they have bathrooms are for customers only. That in clicks 210 00:12:57,000 --> 00:12:59,760 Speaker 2: the zim so they when the residents, did you hear 211 00:12:59,800 --> 00:13:01,880 Speaker 2: that or make those kind of snap judgements that they 212 00:13:01,880 --> 00:13:05,280 Speaker 2: don't want bathroom, they're shutting out every It's not just 213 00:13:05,360 --> 00:13:08,439 Speaker 2: the unhoused, but bathroom says the right human right too 214 00:13:08,480 --> 00:13:10,920 Speaker 2: because like I said, everybody goes to the bathroom. 215 00:13:10,920 --> 00:13:12,559 Speaker 1: I mean, there's nothing nothing. 216 00:13:12,280 --> 00:13:15,920 Speaker 6: Political about bad Yeah. 217 00:13:15,280 --> 00:13:18,440 Speaker 2: And from grandmothers an elderly, I have elth issues, so 218 00:13:18,520 --> 00:13:21,080 Speaker 2: I need to maybe you met the vicinity of a restaurant. 219 00:13:21,160 --> 00:13:23,000 Speaker 2: And if I don't, I didn't have to become much 220 00:13:23,000 --> 00:13:26,319 Speaker 2: more creative. And then people make snap judgments because if 221 00:13:26,320 --> 00:13:28,760 Speaker 2: it's near a school or things like that, then people 222 00:13:28,800 --> 00:13:33,080 Speaker 2: could create their own conclusions. It's usually nefarious and it 223 00:13:33,160 --> 00:13:36,360 Speaker 2: becomes a challenge to really educate people because people don't 224 00:13:36,400 --> 00:13:39,680 Speaker 2: understand the complexities of the symbol of a bathroom. 225 00:13:39,800 --> 00:13:40,280 Speaker 3: It's true. 226 00:13:40,360 --> 00:13:44,760 Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, people don't humanize the unhoused and really realize 227 00:13:44,800 --> 00:13:46,839 Speaker 5: the needs that they need because they are human. 228 00:13:47,080 --> 00:13:48,920 Speaker 3: As you said, people do need to use the restaurant. 229 00:13:49,360 --> 00:13:51,560 Speaker 5: I guess it's just from the outside ind it's always 230 00:13:52,559 --> 00:13:55,600 Speaker 5: it's always just very critical because you know, we sometimes 231 00:13:55,679 --> 00:13:59,480 Speaker 5: wonder like how could this person, you know, produce fecal 232 00:13:59,559 --> 00:14:03,920 Speaker 5: matter near a school? Right, And it just gets really 233 00:14:03,920 --> 00:14:09,679 Speaker 5: complicated when you know there's certain like poster pictures of 234 00:14:09,679 --> 00:14:11,959 Speaker 5: of you know, what might be an un housed resident 235 00:14:12,160 --> 00:14:14,640 Speaker 5: or you know, et cetera. 236 00:14:14,840 --> 00:14:18,640 Speaker 2: One change for you to start to because now you've 237 00:14:18,640 --> 00:14:20,720 Speaker 2: done this for a while, you've seen the active as 238 00:14:20,760 --> 00:14:25,240 Speaker 2: you've seen the challenges. What was the stopping point for 239 00:14:25,640 --> 00:14:30,840 Speaker 2: the UCU to really have misgivings because eighty thousand dollars 240 00:14:30,880 --> 00:14:33,120 Speaker 2: for anybody that's a lot about that came to ull. 241 00:14:33,200 --> 00:14:36,360 Speaker 1: Let's be real out there. Yeah yeah, but it had 242 00:14:36,400 --> 00:14:36,680 Speaker 1: to be. 243 00:14:36,680 --> 00:14:39,600 Speaker 2: Something that really was there an incident or a watershed 244 00:14:39,640 --> 00:14:41,080 Speaker 2: moment mm hmm. 245 00:14:42,000 --> 00:14:46,240 Speaker 5: Was actually a personal incident. And so my mom was 246 00:14:46,280 --> 00:14:51,200 Speaker 5: diagnosed with pancreatic cancer. And yeah, you know, my two 247 00:14:51,240 --> 00:14:53,800 Speaker 5: years before, my brother passed away. When I was a kid, 248 00:14:53,920 --> 00:14:56,520 Speaker 5: my dad passed away. But it just it just felt 249 00:14:56,560 --> 00:15:02,160 Speaker 5: like my conscious cannot handle I guess, just the stress 250 00:15:02,160 --> 00:15:07,840 Speaker 5: load of this job. And I tried to, you know, 251 00:15:07,880 --> 00:15:09,760 Speaker 5: I try to ask for maybe like light duty and 252 00:15:09,800 --> 00:15:13,160 Speaker 5: stuff like that, but it just wasn't enough real time. 253 00:15:13,640 --> 00:15:17,040 Speaker 5: And yeah, I mean I think in it's just you know, 254 00:15:17,120 --> 00:15:21,440 Speaker 5: these really visceral moments, they really I think they're turning 255 00:15:21,480 --> 00:15:24,840 Speaker 5: points for people, and people tend to go more of 256 00:15:25,200 --> 00:15:27,280 Speaker 5: you know, the path that they actually want to go, 257 00:15:27,680 --> 00:15:31,200 Speaker 5: as opposed to the path that's more convenient. So I 258 00:15:31,240 --> 00:15:35,440 Speaker 5: couldn't really disobey my ethics given that, you know, I 259 00:15:35,480 --> 00:15:38,680 Speaker 5: really admire my mom. She was a really ethical person. 260 00:15:39,440 --> 00:15:43,480 Speaker 5: So I you know, started reading the Bible a little 261 00:15:43,480 --> 00:15:47,040 Speaker 5: bit more, started reading Sore and carec Guard, who I 262 00:15:47,080 --> 00:15:50,800 Speaker 5: got introduced to because of doctor Cornell West. I actually 263 00:15:50,800 --> 00:15:54,000 Speaker 5: got a book signed Works of Love by you know, 264 00:15:54,080 --> 00:15:57,360 Speaker 5: I had Hornew West sign it. But yeah, I started 265 00:15:57,400 --> 00:16:00,520 Speaker 5: reading all this literature. I started even just watching like 266 00:16:00,520 --> 00:16:02,640 Speaker 5: we have these heroes that we look up to, and 267 00:16:02,720 --> 00:16:05,240 Speaker 5: yet we never really engage in the risks that they 268 00:16:05,440 --> 00:16:09,600 Speaker 5: engage in. And you know, oftentimes we resort to cowardice 269 00:16:09,680 --> 00:16:15,560 Speaker 5: behavior or complacency, neglect, et cetera. And yeah, so I 270 00:16:15,680 --> 00:16:18,000 Speaker 5: just I felt like my eyes were just open during 271 00:16:18,040 --> 00:16:20,680 Speaker 5: this very real moment in my own personal life. And 272 00:16:20,760 --> 00:16:23,800 Speaker 5: it's unfortunate that a personal tragory had to happen to 273 00:16:23,840 --> 00:16:27,880 Speaker 5: me in order for me to no longer become okay 274 00:16:27,960 --> 00:16:33,840 Speaker 5: and complicit with this very dehumanizing act. But yeah, I mean, 275 00:16:33,840 --> 00:16:36,680 Speaker 5: in a strange way, it was a blessing. But yeah, 276 00:16:36,800 --> 00:16:39,040 Speaker 5: the stress load was just very high, and I just 277 00:16:39,080 --> 00:16:40,760 Speaker 5: couldn't stand bureaucracies anywhere. 278 00:16:41,160 --> 00:16:44,359 Speaker 2: Well, a lot of times emergencies are person to incidents 279 00:16:44,400 --> 00:16:48,920 Speaker 2: happened that creates and makes people become less inerred into 280 00:16:49,120 --> 00:16:51,960 Speaker 2: the realities of their fellow human beings. And that's one 281 00:16:51,960 --> 00:16:54,080 Speaker 2: of the things about the difficulties what we're looking at 282 00:16:54,120 --> 00:16:57,960 Speaker 2: in our society. For example, the godsend of Palestinian conflict. 283 00:16:58,240 --> 00:17:02,040 Speaker 2: People have spoken, people have protested, people came up, came 284 00:17:02,120 --> 00:17:04,879 Speaker 2: up and speaking out against the atrocities. But the slow 285 00:17:05,200 --> 00:17:07,960 Speaker 2: should aside the slow murders of on house that are 286 00:17:08,000 --> 00:17:11,040 Speaker 2: dying five a day doesn't garner the same kind of 287 00:17:11,119 --> 00:17:14,800 Speaker 2: conversation or empathy about why there are sixty eight thousand 288 00:17:14,880 --> 00:17:19,840 Speaker 2: on house children, an uptick of elderly unhoused women, the elderly, 289 00:17:19,920 --> 00:17:23,200 Speaker 2: the abuse of domestic violence victims that are increased during 290 00:17:23,240 --> 00:17:26,080 Speaker 2: the pandemic, and doing all of these issues that are 291 00:17:26,720 --> 00:17:28,240 Speaker 2: part of the house community. 292 00:17:28,320 --> 00:17:32,479 Speaker 5: Think even gentrification exactly because I'm from Highland Park, so 293 00:17:33,200 --> 00:17:35,320 Speaker 5: I saw for a little bit of the time, I 294 00:17:35,359 --> 00:17:39,800 Speaker 5: saw a lot of Latino families in like tenths pretty 295 00:17:39,800 --> 00:17:43,160 Speaker 5: near Highland Park because they can no longer afford rent. 296 00:17:43,040 --> 00:17:44,120 Speaker 1: Or guard the part too. 297 00:17:44,520 --> 00:17:47,280 Speaker 2: And that's another thing that which really apprives me crazy 298 00:17:47,359 --> 00:17:51,000 Speaker 2: is there's a lot of working key unhoused people that 299 00:17:51,119 --> 00:17:52,720 Speaker 2: are out there that are living. 300 00:17:52,480 --> 00:17:53,760 Speaker 1: On the streets that are near the school. 301 00:17:54,080 --> 00:17:56,359 Speaker 2: So when you hear house people complain about the safety 302 00:17:56,400 --> 00:17:59,320 Speaker 2: of the children, they fail to realize that they're unhouse 303 00:17:59,359 --> 00:18:01,840 Speaker 2: families there too, and they love their kids just like 304 00:18:01,920 --> 00:18:02,560 Speaker 2: house people do. 305 00:18:03,280 --> 00:18:03,480 Speaker 1: Yeah. 306 00:18:03,880 --> 00:18:06,320 Speaker 5: Yeah, Like this one time I was on Yorick and 307 00:18:06,359 --> 00:18:09,720 Speaker 5: Figaroa and there was an unhoused resident. He was writing 308 00:18:09,760 --> 00:18:12,400 Speaker 5: in his notebook, and you know, he had a Fedora 309 00:18:12,440 --> 00:18:15,120 Speaker 5: a little bit of tattoos on his face, and yeah, 310 00:18:15,119 --> 00:18:16,840 Speaker 5: I just asked him if I could take a picture 311 00:18:16,840 --> 00:18:18,639 Speaker 5: of him, but you know, instead of just a quick shot, 312 00:18:18,720 --> 00:18:21,960 Speaker 5: I wanted to do it right. And there's a lot 313 00:18:21,960 --> 00:18:24,280 Speaker 5: of photographs of people, but you know, I want to 314 00:18:24,359 --> 00:18:27,520 Speaker 5: really just take the time to be very technical and 315 00:18:27,840 --> 00:18:31,520 Speaker 5: really engaging this risk of approaching someone who I don't 316 00:18:31,520 --> 00:18:35,240 Speaker 5: know and asking them if they're comfortable with us. But yeah, 317 00:18:35,440 --> 00:18:37,720 Speaker 5: I think it's an intellectual vocation for me. 318 00:18:37,840 --> 00:18:39,679 Speaker 2: Thank you for taking time to really talk to me 319 00:18:39,720 --> 00:18:43,199 Speaker 2: about your experiences as a ECI, and I'm thrilled that 320 00:18:43,280 --> 00:18:46,080 Speaker 2: you are doing the forces of good, doing something that 321 00:18:46,240 --> 00:18:48,960 Speaker 2: is really going to be impactful for the society. I'm 322 00:18:49,000 --> 00:18:50,800 Speaker 2: glad that you had the courage because it does take 323 00:18:50,880 --> 00:18:53,720 Speaker 2: courage to turn out eighty grand one hundred grand, but 324 00:18:53,760 --> 00:18:55,800 Speaker 2: it does take courage to really question. 325 00:18:56,119 --> 00:18:58,760 Speaker 1: What are you doing? Are you helping people? Are you harming? 326 00:18:59,200 --> 00:19:00,840 Speaker 2: And it's good to see that you were trying to 327 00:19:00,840 --> 00:19:04,959 Speaker 2: help humanity instead of trying to, you know, just collect 328 00:19:05,000 --> 00:19:07,200 Speaker 2: a paycheck or just following orders, because. 329 00:19:07,040 --> 00:19:08,320 Speaker 1: We know where that usually leads. 330 00:19:11,320 --> 00:19:14,439 Speaker 2: Thanks again to Aaron Flores for the enlightening discussion and 331 00:19:14,520 --> 00:19:23,879 Speaker 2: this is in house news. Stay with us because when 332 00:19:23,920 --> 00:19:32,120 Speaker 2: we come back, we're going to San Diego. Welcome back 333 00:19:32,119 --> 00:19:35,160 Speaker 2: to Weedian Howse. I'm your host, Theo Hiderson And as 334 00:19:35,160 --> 00:19:37,040 Speaker 2: a promise, I went down to San Diego a few 335 00:19:37,040 --> 00:19:39,480 Speaker 2: weeks ago to speak to people on the ground who 336 00:19:39,520 --> 00:19:42,919 Speaker 2: are suffering from the cruel practice of hospital dumping. 337 00:19:49,640 --> 00:20:02,879 Speaker 7: So you can be exited from here. Walk down to 338 00:20:03,400 --> 00:20:06,600 Speaker 7: this bus stop that still is yet to have hand 339 00:20:06,720 --> 00:20:12,880 Speaker 7: washing stations. There's no restrooms, and the buses don't run 340 00:20:12,920 --> 00:20:17,400 Speaker 7: in the middle of the night, and you can wait 341 00:20:17,440 --> 00:20:20,399 Speaker 7: here from eleven o'clock at night until about five in 342 00:20:20,440 --> 00:20:22,800 Speaker 7: the morning to even get a bus to take you 343 00:20:22,880 --> 00:20:24,879 Speaker 7: down to the Homelessness Response Center. 344 00:20:27,160 --> 00:20:30,000 Speaker 2: This is my friend Amy, who invited me down to 345 00:20:30,080 --> 00:20:33,400 Speaker 2: San Diego. We're at one of the hospitals in San 346 00:20:33,440 --> 00:20:36,480 Speaker 2: Diego where unhoused people have been kicked out and left 347 00:20:36,480 --> 00:20:39,560 Speaker 2: in the street, where they're further brutalized by the police 348 00:20:39,600 --> 00:20:43,159 Speaker 2: and the city itself. And what's worse, there's not a 349 00:20:43,160 --> 00:20:45,520 Speaker 2: lot of people in the house press even trying to 350 00:20:45,560 --> 00:20:49,160 Speaker 2: cover the story. The environment here is in your face, 351 00:20:49,200 --> 00:20:53,040 Speaker 2: hostile and indifferent. Los Angeles treats the in house terribly, 352 00:20:53,520 --> 00:20:55,920 Speaker 2: but there is at least the community of activists that 353 00:20:55,960 --> 00:20:59,560 Speaker 2: will show up the sweeps and protests for their neighbors' rights. 354 00:21:00,080 --> 00:21:03,119 Speaker 2: San Diego, that community is much smaller, and the city 355 00:21:03,119 --> 00:21:04,760 Speaker 2: itself remains indifferent. 356 00:21:05,520 --> 00:21:10,360 Speaker 8: Here's Aimy, one of the ladies that cleans this building 357 00:21:10,560 --> 00:21:15,760 Speaker 8: on the night shift, and I have the ideas of her. 358 00:21:16,880 --> 00:21:18,760 Speaker 8: She has emailed the mayor. 359 00:21:19,280 --> 00:21:24,760 Speaker 9: Countless times, countless times we need a better system in place. 360 00:21:25,640 --> 00:21:28,560 Speaker 9: She sees the folks that are laying there all night long, 361 00:21:29,359 --> 00:21:32,960 Speaker 9: who are asking for help, who want a shelter, red, 362 00:21:33,000 --> 00:21:33,880 Speaker 9: who want housing. 363 00:21:35,040 --> 00:21:38,560 Speaker 2: In San Diego, the cops aren't even pretending not to 364 00:21:38,600 --> 00:21:42,360 Speaker 2: be doing what they're doing, which is hospital dumping. If 365 00:21:42,359 --> 00:21:44,800 Speaker 2: you haven't heard it, it's a form of discrimination against 366 00:21:44,800 --> 00:21:48,399 Speaker 2: the unhoused and many unhoused veterans, where hospitals decide to 367 00:21:48,480 --> 00:21:51,919 Speaker 2: dump a sick and alien unhoused person back on the 368 00:21:51,920 --> 00:21:56,040 Speaker 2: street instead of doing what they're supposed to do help them. 369 00:21:56,440 --> 00:21:59,920 Speaker 2: It happens everywhere, but in San Diego it's becoming an 370 00:22:00,040 --> 00:22:05,199 Speaker 2: epidemic and the law enforcement is in on it. So 371 00:22:05,280 --> 00:22:07,320 Speaker 2: when I came to San Diego to cover the issue 372 00:22:07,359 --> 00:22:10,879 Speaker 2: in mid January, people were really eager to speak with me. 373 00:22:11,440 --> 00:22:13,920 Speaker 2: It was overwhelming, and I talked to a lot of 374 00:22:13,960 --> 00:22:17,440 Speaker 2: people whose stories really need to be told. Amy is 375 00:22:17,480 --> 00:22:20,880 Speaker 2: a housing activist who I met during the pandemic when 376 00:22:20,880 --> 00:22:24,840 Speaker 2: she was raising her reservations about what was going on 377 00:22:24,840 --> 00:22:28,320 Speaker 2: on the lack of coverage with the unhoused in San Diego. 378 00:22:28,960 --> 00:22:32,760 Speaker 2: She listens to Weedyan House and reached out and alerted 379 00:22:32,800 --> 00:22:35,440 Speaker 2: me to the urgency of the situation in San Diego. 380 00:22:35,960 --> 00:22:37,600 Speaker 2: I told her that I would make it a point 381 00:22:37,680 --> 00:22:41,000 Speaker 2: to come and cover the story. She's been involved in 382 00:22:41,040 --> 00:22:44,320 Speaker 2: advocating for the young housed in San Diego and Santa Barbara, 383 00:22:44,840 --> 00:22:47,679 Speaker 2: and was first motivated to get into this work in 384 00:22:47,720 --> 00:22:50,919 Speaker 2: honor of her father, who was unhoused. She does a 385 00:22:50,960 --> 00:22:53,359 Speaker 2: lot for the unhoused these days, and there's still so 386 00:22:53,480 --> 00:22:55,600 Speaker 2: much more that can be done. 387 00:22:58,760 --> 00:23:01,040 Speaker 7: A few days before, all I had to give them 388 00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:03,760 Speaker 7: was a blanket, and there were no shelter. 389 00:23:03,600 --> 00:23:06,840 Speaker 10: Beds for them, and they died right there. 390 00:23:12,240 --> 00:23:14,920 Speaker 1: So this is a place where the person passed away. 391 00:23:15,560 --> 00:23:18,919 Speaker 10: Right there, and they've got their walker, they still have 392 00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:28,960 Speaker 10: the the instructions on their walker. And then right here 393 00:23:29,280 --> 00:23:32,840 Speaker 10: is mister Becker, who had been discharged from scripture Rcy 394 00:23:32,880 --> 00:23:36,280 Speaker 10: hospital looks like this gentleman is walking out with hospital 395 00:23:36,359 --> 00:23:38,719 Speaker 10: like you could always see their hospital paperwork. 396 00:23:40,800 --> 00:23:43,199 Speaker 2: We'll be talking to people in this episode in our 397 00:23:43,240 --> 00:23:47,000 Speaker 2: future episodes on hospital dumpings. Do you want to lookout 398 00:23:47,040 --> 00:23:52,080 Speaker 2: for more of these episodes? First, I spoke with Tron 399 00:23:52,280 --> 00:23:55,000 Speaker 2: and Stacy Miller, a husband and wife who lost their 400 00:23:55,040 --> 00:23:58,320 Speaker 2: home in business after a medical emergency. Here are some 401 00:23:58,400 --> 00:23:59,520 Speaker 2: of their conversations. 402 00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:05,480 Speaker 11: So, three years ago, my husband had an aortic dissection 403 00:24:05,640 --> 00:24:09,240 Speaker 11: aneurysm rupture, so it led to a spinal stroke, quadriplegic. 404 00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:13,679 Speaker 6: We ended up losing our house, our business, and we 405 00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:14,520 Speaker 6: ended up homeless. 406 00:24:14,520 --> 00:24:16,680 Speaker 11: We have two kids at the time, they were six 407 00:24:16,720 --> 00:24:21,720 Speaker 11: and eight, and we went to first Father Joe's, And 408 00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:25,680 Speaker 11: when we were at Father Joe's, my smallest son had 409 00:24:25,800 --> 00:24:29,000 Speaker 11: COVID and so instead of going to a what do 410 00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:32,680 Speaker 11: they call that congregated living facility, we told them to 411 00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:34,480 Speaker 11: give us overnight and we'll go to the doctor and 412 00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:37,199 Speaker 11: get our own hotel. When I left to take my 413 00:24:37,240 --> 00:24:40,480 Speaker 11: son to the doctor, they locked me out. They wouldn't 414 00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:41,960 Speaker 11: let me get him in his wheelchair, they wouldn't let 415 00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:43,720 Speaker 11: me get my daughter, they wouldn't let me go inside. 416 00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:44,080 Speaker 6: Period. 417 00:24:44,080 --> 00:24:46,000 Speaker 11: My son was one hundred and three fever and the 418 00:24:46,080 --> 00:24:48,919 Speaker 11: lobby I blew up. Okay, I had called nine one one. 419 00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:51,080 Speaker 11: I told him that's the only way I got him out. 420 00:24:51,520 --> 00:24:53,200 Speaker 11: They didn't let me pack my stuff. So they put 421 00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:55,720 Speaker 11: all of our stuff in bags and they put water 422 00:24:55,760 --> 00:24:57,399 Speaker 11: bottles in there with they were open. 423 00:24:57,680 --> 00:24:59,400 Speaker 6: Yeah, so it was everything mil dude. 424 00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:03,600 Speaker 12: Use the trash being the actual trash unent to load 425 00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:05,200 Speaker 12: up our stuff. Virginia down. 426 00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:07,120 Speaker 6: So we left there. 427 00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:08,960 Speaker 11: We were in a hotel, We slept in our car 428 00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:12,080 Speaker 11: overnight with all that, and we ended up going to 429 00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:13,919 Speaker 11: the door of Hope Salvation Army, which we thought was 430 00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:17,160 Speaker 11: great because they gave us a two bedroom apartment. Right 431 00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:20,640 Speaker 11: at the beginning, they took us out of cess inactive. 432 00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:22,440 Speaker 6: That was July of twenty twenty two. 433 00:25:22,560 --> 00:25:25,400 Speaker 11: So come January of twenty twenty three, I find out 434 00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:27,919 Speaker 11: that whole time that we were there, we were inactive. 435 00:25:28,359 --> 00:25:31,360 Speaker 6: So we did a story with the CBS News. They 436 00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:32,320 Speaker 6: put us back. 437 00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:34,800 Speaker 11: On, or so they said, and I come to find 438 00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:38,440 Speaker 11: out in March we're in active still. So we filed 439 00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:40,639 Speaker 11: a grievance, We talked to the directors all of that. 440 00:25:40,680 --> 00:25:44,080 Speaker 11: They put us back on and then in June inactive again. 441 00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:47,639 Speaker 11: So July now it's our year program is up, and 442 00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:49,520 Speaker 11: they tell me they're going to lock the doors. So 443 00:25:49,560 --> 00:25:51,200 Speaker 11: I ended up having to put my husband into a 444 00:25:51,280 --> 00:25:53,880 Speaker 11: nursing facility and I wanted to find somewhere to live. 445 00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:55,840 Speaker 6: I refused to leave, and I made them do the 446 00:25:55,840 --> 00:25:56,600 Speaker 6: eviction process. 447 00:25:56,640 --> 00:25:58,760 Speaker 11: So in October they filed the eviction and we're going 448 00:25:58,800 --> 00:25:59,600 Speaker 11: through that right now. 449 00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:02,119 Speaker 6: They won't case manage me. 450 00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:05,639 Speaker 11: I got through a source I won't say, gave me 451 00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:08,360 Speaker 11: pictures of my CEES system. 452 00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:10,720 Speaker 6: They ignored two housing referrals. 453 00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:12,800 Speaker 11: I just got off the phone yesterday because I was 454 00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:14,760 Speaker 11: calling all the places that I signed up for myself, 455 00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:17,240 Speaker 11: and three of those places said that they've sent me 456 00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:19,960 Speaker 11: a letter that there was return to cender from the 457 00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:22,720 Speaker 11: address that I'm living at, So they're returning the center. 458 00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:24,840 Speaker 11: So they're like evict to me, but they won't even 459 00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:27,240 Speaker 11: give me the referrals that are coming from outside or 460 00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:29,520 Speaker 11: that I work for myself and just real. 461 00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:32,760 Speaker 12: Quick to rewind in order for a person to fall 462 00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:38,120 Speaker 12: off the CEES to my knowledge, and I get this, I. 463 00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:41,639 Speaker 6: Get this from the from the regional task to task for. 464 00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:45,359 Speaker 12: Yeah, handbook. It says that that in order for a 465 00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:51,440 Speaker 12: person to go dormant or or inactive, the case manager 466 00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:57,120 Speaker 12: has to visit any and all means that they have 467 00:26:57,640 --> 00:26:59,120 Speaker 12: to contact. 468 00:26:59,080 --> 00:27:00,800 Speaker 11: Right so you have to call email and they have 469 00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:03,159 Speaker 11: to be unresponsive for ninety days. They they have to 470 00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:05,960 Speaker 11: be unresponsive, which means that they took us off of 471 00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:06,480 Speaker 11: the cees. 472 00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:08,400 Speaker 6: It wasn't just that we went and acted right. 473 00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:12,600 Speaker 12: Because we were living on campus at the time that 474 00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:16,560 Speaker 12: we were dropped into that we were made inactive and 475 00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:19,600 Speaker 12: that was four times in less than a year. 476 00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:22,080 Speaker 11: Not only that, but before going to the door of Hope, 477 00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:25,120 Speaker 11: which is why we got to CBS News. So CES 478 00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:27,920 Speaker 11: did house us in permanent supportive housing and we went. 479 00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:30,520 Speaker 11: We were so excited, we were thankful, and we went 480 00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:32,800 Speaker 11: over there and it was an upstairs unit and so 481 00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:35,040 Speaker 11: he can't obviously get upstairs. I asked him if I 482 00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:37,080 Speaker 11: could put in a stair like lyft, and they said 483 00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:38,879 Speaker 11: because it was the outside of the building, they couldn't 484 00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:41,120 Speaker 11: do it. They promised us that we would be next 485 00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:44,080 Speaker 11: in line, and here we are a year and a 486 00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:45,600 Speaker 11: half later, not next in line. 487 00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:46,160 Speaker 6: I've called the. 488 00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:49,560 Speaker 11: Department of Justice, the Commission, I've gotten that I was buzzman. 489 00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:53,080 Speaker 11: I've talked to attorneys. I've talked to Sacramento. The mayor 490 00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:54,440 Speaker 11: knows me my first name. 491 00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:59,080 Speaker 12: CBS prostituted us for a story. I feel because they 492 00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:04,159 Speaker 12: didn't link. They didn't link our story to any gofund me. 493 00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:07,080 Speaker 12: They follow up, they did, and they would They refused 494 00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:11,280 Speaker 12: to take we had we have their their personal cell phones, 495 00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:15,840 Speaker 12: U in our cell phones and was in contact with 496 00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:19,320 Speaker 12: them on a daily basis leading up to the interview, 497 00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:23,160 Speaker 12: and then after the interview ran. Shortly after the interview ran, 498 00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:25,120 Speaker 12: they won't take our calls no more. 499 00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:27,480 Speaker 6: Yeah, they won't. They won't respond at all. They refuse 500 00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:29,159 Speaker 6: and they said on the story that they were going 501 00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:31,880 Speaker 6: to follow up. Yeah, so it's really frustrating. Nobody wants 502 00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:34,119 Speaker 6: to touch them. No attorneys want to touch them. The 503 00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:36,280 Speaker 6: ADA won't do anything because it's a church. 504 00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:39,760 Speaker 11: Like, I'm completely lost, and now they're telling me, oh, 505 00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:42,800 Speaker 11: and I got another apartment from myself just recently in 506 00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:45,160 Speaker 11: October when I was supposed to meet Louke, move out, 507 00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:49,760 Speaker 11: I'm sorry. And then two days before moving, PCG, which 508 00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:51,960 Speaker 11: is like what gives you like, Rapid Rehousing told me 509 00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:55,880 Speaker 11: they ran out of funds, so nothing. Then Christmas comes 510 00:28:55,880 --> 00:28:57,880 Speaker 11: along and they do toys for Tots and the Angel 511 00:28:57,880 --> 00:28:59,160 Speaker 11: Tree because it's a salvation army. 512 00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:00,920 Speaker 6: My kids were completely left out. 513 00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:03,440 Speaker 11: They didn't tell me until December thirteenth, when it was 514 00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:05,280 Speaker 11: too late to sign them up for anything else. It's 515 00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:08,440 Speaker 11: just malicious. It's vindictive, and you don't understand why. My 516 00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:10,239 Speaker 11: daughter asked me, like, why do these people hate you? 517 00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:13,400 Speaker 11: And I was like, I don't know, Like, and it's horrible. 518 00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:13,800 Speaker 6: It's sad. 519 00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:16,480 Speaker 11: They're losing their father already and to go through all 520 00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:17,680 Speaker 11: of this, it's just not fair to them. 521 00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:20,920 Speaker 2: One of the questions I do have because I am disabled, 522 00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:25,680 Speaker 2: I've had stroke myself, so I know the challenges of 523 00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:28,560 Speaker 2: trying to navigate out here, trying to do the Medican 524 00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:31,400 Speaker 2: sin and all of the the therapy and things like that. 525 00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:33,400 Speaker 2: What are the hardships of you know, if you're in 526 00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:35,640 Speaker 2: a wheelchair, what is one of the hardships of you 527 00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:39,640 Speaker 2: trying to navigate your illness or your condition out here 528 00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:40,040 Speaker 2: in the street. 529 00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:46,080 Speaker 12: There's really no navigating out here out here on the streets. 530 00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:51,240 Speaker 12: It's a deplorable position that disabled people are put in 531 00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:58,120 Speaker 12: and for them to address other less. 532 00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:03,360 Speaker 11: Less They want you to have a substance abuse problem, 533 00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:04,960 Speaker 11: is what it is. And you know, I'll tell you. 534 00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:07,120 Speaker 11: There's no plugs for them to plug up the wheelchairs 535 00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:09,320 Speaker 11: to get charged up. There is nowhere for them to 536 00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:11,840 Speaker 11: lay down to get new diapers or anything like that changed. 537 00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:14,160 Speaker 11: We couldn't go into our family's house because there's steps 538 00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:16,040 Speaker 11: leading up, so our kids went when we had. 539 00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:16,440 Speaker 6: To sleep in the car. 540 00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:18,120 Speaker 11: Our kids went into the family, but we under stay 541 00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:19,160 Speaker 11: in the car and I had to change them in 542 00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:19,520 Speaker 11: the car. 543 00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:22,280 Speaker 6: We couldn't find a place to charge his wheelchair. It's 544 00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:23,120 Speaker 6: horrible out there. 545 00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:25,800 Speaker 11: The restaurants won't let you in unless you buy something, 546 00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:27,320 Speaker 11: and even then they make it a problem for you 547 00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:27,960 Speaker 11: to plug up. 548 00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:30,719 Speaker 6: It's awful. It's really awful. 549 00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:34,560 Speaker 12: Absolutely, not only that. Not only that, I'm at the 550 00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:37,680 Speaker 12: nursing home now and they're starting to speak to me 551 00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:42,920 Speaker 12: about a discharge plan, and their discharge plan for me 552 00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:49,160 Speaker 12: is finding me a bottom bunk at a concert. 553 00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:50,640 Speaker 6: No way, he'll take care of himself. 554 00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:52,200 Speaker 12: I don't see how. 555 00:30:53,080 --> 00:30:53,720 Speaker 6: It's awful. 556 00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:57,280 Speaker 11: And not only that, but he's developed five unstageable bed 557 00:30:57,280 --> 00:31:00,480 Speaker 11: source to the bone and he's only been here soon months, 558 00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:04,160 Speaker 11: so to the bone and it's like, how how does 559 00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:05,840 Speaker 11: this I've had him for three years in my care 560 00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:09,120 Speaker 11: and none and for him to have five unstageable is 561 00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:10,240 Speaker 11: It's really sad. 562 00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:12,400 Speaker 6: You can die from bedzellars. It's really really sad. 563 00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:13,560 Speaker 1: I'm sorry to hear that. 564 00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:18,160 Speaker 2: This is so infuriating and because I can imagine, you know, 565 00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:21,440 Speaker 2: and exasperating, because it's like it drains you, exhausting, you know, one, 566 00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:23,719 Speaker 2: you have your elements to deal with, and then you 567 00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:26,720 Speaker 2: have to go to war why you're sick and vulnerable 568 00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:30,320 Speaker 2: to try to get the dignified care that you require 569 00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:31,959 Speaker 2: in order for you to survive. 570 00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:34,400 Speaker 6: That's that and maintaining a straight face for your children. 571 00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:37,719 Speaker 12: You know that he was he was he was going 572 00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:40,200 Speaker 12: to make sure that I got a bottom bunk if 573 00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:42,680 Speaker 12: it's sheltered. And I just looked at him and I 574 00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:46,160 Speaker 12: told him. I was like, man, you know, thank you, 575 00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:47,000 Speaker 12: but no thank you. 576 00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:47,600 Speaker 6: I'll tell you. 577 00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:50,040 Speaker 11: I worked in finance for twenty years with Chase Bank, 578 00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:52,720 Speaker 11: Capital One Bank, Fany made Freddie Mack. I've worked for 579 00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:57,080 Speaker 11: twenty years in the corporate offices, and never ever did 580 00:31:57,080 --> 00:31:58,480 Speaker 11: I know that it was like this. Not only that, 581 00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:01,120 Speaker 11: but when you become homeless you're no longer human. You 582 00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:03,000 Speaker 11: don't have a voice, and you don't have any credibility. 583 00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:06,040 Speaker 11: You don't get any respect. It's a completely different world 584 00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:08,880 Speaker 11: that you are thrown into and I've tried to learn 585 00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:09,760 Speaker 11: how to navigate through it. 586 00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:12,120 Speaker 6: But they don't respect you anymore. You have no credibility 587 00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:12,680 Speaker 6: at all. 588 00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:15,000 Speaker 2: I was going to ask this because I was an 589 00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:17,880 Speaker 2: educator before I got sick myself. And one of the 590 00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:20,640 Speaker 2: things that's so hard, which is why I created the show, 591 00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:23,920 Speaker 2: is to educate people on the realities of it. 592 00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:26,480 Speaker 1: Because you were right. They looked at you. 593 00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:29,040 Speaker 6: Like you would give some hard like that, like you're contagious. 594 00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:30,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, like you killed a kid or you ate a 595 00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:34,520 Speaker 1: kitten for lunch or something like that. Conious And how. 596 00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:36,560 Speaker 2: Would you if you had to go back in time 597 00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:41,440 Speaker 2: to see how you are before in finance and now, 598 00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:44,640 Speaker 2: what would you do to get yourself to pay attention? 599 00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:47,720 Speaker 11: I would be completely different. I've been completely humbled by this, 600 00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:49,640 Speaker 11: and I'm not gonna lie. I was the same way. 601 00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:52,440 Speaker 11: I had my own idealisms of oh, they're on drugs 602 00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:53,480 Speaker 11: or they can get you a job. 603 00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:55,320 Speaker 6: I'm thankful for this experience. 604 00:32:55,360 --> 00:32:56,760 Speaker 11: I have to tell you because I don't like the 605 00:32:56,760 --> 00:33:00,240 Speaker 11: person I was before, so I wouldn't. 606 00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:00,000 Speaker 6: Give to a charity. 607 00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:02,720 Speaker 11: I wish people would stop donating to charities, and I 608 00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:04,120 Speaker 11: wish that they would go out into the street and 609 00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:06,520 Speaker 11: do it to the people directly. Because those charities are 610 00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:08,760 Speaker 11: pocketing the money. We don't get nothing. I don't get 611 00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:11,760 Speaker 11: a single donation that's dropped off, so that is what 612 00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:15,640 Speaker 11: I'm homeless. And I want them to stop donating to 613 00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:17,600 Speaker 11: charities because you're feeding the beast. 614 00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:20,440 Speaker 6: It's not good. It's not good. 615 00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:23,560 Speaker 11: They're not doing the right things with the money. I 616 00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:25,400 Speaker 11: just really want them to be held accountable. I wish 617 00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:27,400 Speaker 11: people would start looking at these charities and hold them 618 00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:29,600 Speaker 11: accountable for not only the finances, but for the way 619 00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:31,920 Speaker 11: they treat people. I want case managers to be looked 620 00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:34,280 Speaker 11: into and audited because they're not doing anything for us. 621 00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:35,000 Speaker 6: I've gotten no. 622 00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:37,280 Speaker 11: Resources since I've been homeless. There's a homeless band in 623 00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:37,680 Speaker 11: San Diego. 624 00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:38,000 Speaker 6: I'm sorry. 625 00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:41,440 Speaker 11: Let me mention that the mayor has incited a homeless band. Right, 626 00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:44,240 Speaker 11: so if you don't shelter, you go to jail. But 627 00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:46,920 Speaker 11: the shelter is kicking me out and they're fifty percent vacant. 628 00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:49,360 Speaker 11: More than the entire time I've lived there, So they 629 00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:51,720 Speaker 11: don't need the space. They're evicting me to the street, 630 00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:53,160 Speaker 11: and the street is going to take me to jail 631 00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:54,960 Speaker 11: if I don't go to a shelter. Tell me how 632 00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:55,560 Speaker 11: that makes sense. 633 00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:02,160 Speaker 2: Thank you to Toronto, Stacey, and we'll be right back. 634 00:34:09,160 --> 00:34:12,600 Speaker 2: Welcome back to Wian House. I'm Theo Henderson and we're 635 00:34:12,640 --> 00:34:15,200 Speaker 2: back in San Diego, where I continued my coverage of 636 00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:19,520 Speaker 2: the hospital dumping epidemic. Next up, we're speaking with Michelle, 637 00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:23,839 Speaker 2: a woman I met who occasionally stays in an RV, and, 638 00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:27,080 Speaker 2: as we discussed in a previous episode, she first became 639 00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:29,799 Speaker 2: a house as many have, when domestic violence left her 640 00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:34,200 Speaker 2: without a safe housing environment. Here's some of our conversation. 641 00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:39,600 Speaker 13: I'm in San Diego here, I'm one of the homeless. 642 00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:42,320 Speaker 1: How long have you been on the streets since. 643 00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:43,480 Speaker 3: About twenty seventeen? 644 00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:45,040 Speaker 1: What happens? 645 00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:51,480 Speaker 13: Domestic violence? Domestic violence victim and some other issues. And 646 00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:54,360 Speaker 13: I'm fortunate enough sometimes I stay in RV with some friends. 647 00:34:54,640 --> 00:34:56,200 Speaker 13: But they just took off right now and left me 648 00:34:56,239 --> 00:34:58,400 Speaker 13: with literally nothing, And that happens to people over and 649 00:34:58,440 --> 00:34:59,960 Speaker 13: over and over again. So I've got me and my dad, 650 00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:02,600 Speaker 13: no money, my bugget, not my EBT card, no ID, 651 00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:05,920 Speaker 13: just my phone and not even a jacket or a 652 00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:09,239 Speaker 13: hair brush. And when you find yourself like that, it's 653 00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:10,880 Speaker 13: absolutely indescribable. 654 00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:12,880 Speaker 3: It's horrifying. 655 00:35:13,239 --> 00:35:15,319 Speaker 13: And then to have people who are supposed to be 656 00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:19,000 Speaker 13: in government and trust and positions of public trust stealing 657 00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:23,160 Speaker 13: from the public, that's reprehensible and it needs to be addressed. 658 00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:24,640 Speaker 3: I'm trying to figure. 659 00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:26,640 Speaker 13: Out how to do a key tam lawsuit because there's 660 00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:29,720 Speaker 13: a department. I mean, there's a company called Equis Workforce 661 00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:35,600 Speaker 13: Solutions that handled all of the housing for the homeless 662 00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:37,799 Speaker 13: residents who were in hotels. And when I started in 663 00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:40,239 Speaker 13: twenty or January of twenty twenty one with them, I 664 00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:42,560 Speaker 13: was in their program for six weeks, but they wanted 665 00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:45,160 Speaker 13: me to sign something that said we reserve the right 666 00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:49,600 Speaker 13: to share your health information with third party organ procurement organizations, 667 00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:52,960 Speaker 13: and I said, what in hell are you doing that? 668 00:35:53,160 --> 00:35:55,560 Speaker 13: So they're asking people to share their health information and 669 00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:58,120 Speaker 13: then people start vanishing from those programs and there were 670 00:35:58,120 --> 00:35:59,479 Speaker 13: hazards in my hotel room. 671 00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:01,240 Speaker 3: Me out after six weeks. 672 00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:02,920 Speaker 13: Because I was really adamant about finding out why they 673 00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:06,400 Speaker 13: wanted me to sign that box, and that's Equis Equus 674 00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:08,840 Speaker 13: Workforce Solutions. I believe they've just changed ownership, but they 675 00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:11,120 Speaker 13: got about one hundred and forty million dollars in grant 676 00:36:11,120 --> 00:36:15,680 Speaker 13: money from San Diego Department of Purchasing and Contracting. I'm 677 00:36:15,719 --> 00:36:18,440 Speaker 13: still trying to get my documents from Equis as a 678 00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:20,360 Speaker 13: matter of fact, and that's how I found Matt Heffernan. 679 00:36:20,719 --> 00:36:23,799 Speaker 13: I wrote to Joel Anderson and said, where I can't 680 00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:26,120 Speaker 13: get my records from these people, can you please help me? 681 00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:28,840 Speaker 13: He content Matt Heffernan, who sent me a link, but 682 00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:31,320 Speaker 13: I still can't open it on my email. And Matt's 683 00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:33,279 Speaker 13: no longer taking my phone calls because he's tired of 684 00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:35,799 Speaker 13: me asking him about the seventeen million dollars tan June 685 00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:37,839 Speaker 13: of two twelve is twenty three grant money and where 686 00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:40,480 Speaker 13: it went. Because I was in Lakeside too, and I'm 687 00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:42,160 Speaker 13: homeless out here and homeless in Lakeside, I kind of 688 00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:45,200 Speaker 13: bounced back and forth between the two. When something goes 689 00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:46,839 Speaker 13: bad here, I go there. When something goes bad there, 690 00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:51,480 Speaker 13: I come here. But basically, I believe that there's some 691 00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:54,560 Speaker 13: indication that San Diego is selling the Organs of their homeless. 692 00:36:54,560 --> 00:36:57,000 Speaker 13: And that's a little bit of a stretch, but there's 693 00:36:57,040 --> 00:36:58,480 Speaker 13: some indication that that happens. 694 00:36:58,520 --> 00:37:01,239 Speaker 3: In September of twenty two, anyone, I went to Grossmont. 695 00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:02,560 Speaker 13: I was on my way to jail, and I went 696 00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:05,560 Speaker 13: to Grossmont Hospital and they actually kept me there saying 697 00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:09,560 Speaker 13: I had toxic metabolic and cephalo fee but I didn't 698 00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:12,239 Speaker 13: have that. They sedated me for three days, didn't let 699 00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:14,600 Speaker 13: me up out of sedation. They've given me every single 700 00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:16,880 Speaker 13: kind of sedative I got for the last ten years 701 00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:21,240 Speaker 13: while in various child two childbirths, and a solid assault. 702 00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:23,960 Speaker 13: And I don't know if that's because I was an 703 00:37:24,080 --> 00:37:26,000 Speaker 13: organ donor or I have viable organs. It turns out 704 00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:27,840 Speaker 13: I have very viable organs, even though I've been a 705 00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:30,600 Speaker 13: heavy was a heavy drinker for many many years. And 706 00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:33,799 Speaker 13: my kid's father saved my life. He kept calling over 707 00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:36,560 Speaker 13: and over again. They let me up out of that sedation, 708 00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:38,960 Speaker 13: and I wasn't quite the same ever since. I have 709 00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:43,080 Speaker 13: a hard time thinking on my feet speaking. But anyway, 710 00:37:43,080 --> 00:37:46,040 Speaker 13: that's my story, and there's things like that that happened here, 711 00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:47,600 Speaker 13: and I know that's a little bit of a stretch 712 00:37:47,600 --> 00:37:50,560 Speaker 13: for anybody to imagine, but that's what it is. 713 00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:53,400 Speaker 2: Michelle, thank you for taking the time to tell us 714 00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:55,640 Speaker 2: your story. Is there anything else that we missed that 715 00:37:55,680 --> 00:37:56,399 Speaker 2: you would like to say. 716 00:37:58,440 --> 00:38:03,600 Speaker 13: I would like to encourage Todd Gloria too, because the homeless, 717 00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:05,520 Speaker 13: there's so many of us out here. We're an actual 718 00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:08,600 Speaker 13: asset to We're a workforce and untapped potential workforce. 719 00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:11,799 Speaker 3: I think if there's a situation where we could be. 720 00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:14,279 Speaker 13: Employed, it would be on the Internet and we could 721 00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:19,239 Speaker 13: start purchasing things in groups together. Maybe there's got to 722 00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:21,399 Speaker 13: be a way for us to be employable to clean 723 00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:23,480 Speaker 13: the city streets where we are at at the time. 724 00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:26,759 Speaker 13: There's money for that from the private sector, from the 725 00:38:26,760 --> 00:38:30,040 Speaker 13: public sector. There's an algorithm that could be employed to 726 00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:32,560 Speaker 13: And that's my dream is I'll come up with something 727 00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:35,319 Speaker 13: like that that is a doctor SEUs style fifty two 728 00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:35,879 Speaker 13: to fifty twos. 729 00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:37,680 Speaker 3: I'm a music teacher and I've been working on this 730 00:38:37,719 --> 00:38:38,440 Speaker 3: for a long time. 731 00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:42,560 Speaker 13: But I believe that if there's because there happened to 732 00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:44,279 Speaker 13: be fifty two miles of the San Diego River in 733 00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:47,839 Speaker 13: fifty two communities in San Diego City, and if we 734 00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:50,600 Speaker 13: took them those miles and we started cleaning them on 735 00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:53,839 Speaker 13: the river because there's all these this fraud with the 736 00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:57,640 Speaker 13: companies and the private and public sector people who steal 737 00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:01,400 Speaker 13: grant money from the public, from the state and federal 738 00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:04,080 Speaker 13: funds that are supposed to be protecting our waterways, and 739 00:39:04,080 --> 00:39:06,279 Speaker 13: they kick the homeless round out there in Lakeside. But 740 00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:08,480 Speaker 13: Lakeside's kind of a special place for homeless because there's 741 00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:12,080 Speaker 13: two different recycling centers within walking distance, so they can 742 00:39:12,239 --> 00:39:15,719 Speaker 13: afford to support themselves more easily than anybody else. One 743 00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:18,000 Speaker 13: of my dreams is to get them to unify and 744 00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:22,080 Speaker 13: from a business entity and take recycling and do something 745 00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:23,719 Speaker 13: with the money there like that, and as a group 746 00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:26,480 Speaker 13: because they're hard working. I see guys go out with 747 00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:29,480 Speaker 13: to take them two or three hours they get twenty 748 00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:33,400 Speaker 13: five dollars recycle. It's hard, hard, backbreaking labor. They go 749 00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:36,279 Speaker 13: through trash cans, but they're fast. And the other thing 750 00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:38,799 Speaker 13: is that now there's a state law about separating the 751 00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:41,279 Speaker 13: organic trash from the other trash, and it seems to 752 00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:43,359 Speaker 13: me we could form an entity that would do that 753 00:39:44,120 --> 00:39:47,560 Speaker 13: in compliance with state and federal funding to go abide 754 00:39:47,560 --> 00:39:50,680 Speaker 13: by those laws. And that's the final thought. I'll leave 755 00:39:50,680 --> 00:39:54,239 Speaker 13: you with is MTS is a state agency, the Metropolitan 756 00:39:54,239 --> 00:39:57,560 Speaker 13: Transit System. If we were to get to appeal to 757 00:39:57,600 --> 00:40:00,960 Speaker 13: them to give us jobs as homeless people, we can 758 00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:04,360 Speaker 13: clean the streets where we are at and formatancy, recycle 759 00:40:04,560 --> 00:40:06,480 Speaker 13: and separate the trash that we're in compliance with state 760 00:40:06,560 --> 00:40:09,520 Speaker 13: funding and get the funding from that or in the 761 00:40:09,520 --> 00:40:11,680 Speaker 13: trash anyway, why not separate it and make it compliance 762 00:40:11,680 --> 00:40:13,720 Speaker 13: so that the landfills don't get filled up with organic 763 00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:13,960 Speaker 13: and go. 764 00:40:14,200 --> 00:40:15,560 Speaker 3: That's I mean, it's a state law. 765 00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:19,560 Speaker 13: Now, So that's a suggestion I have for future consideration. 766 00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:29,719 Speaker 2: Thank you so much to Michelle and to everyone I 767 00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:32,719 Speaker 2: spoke with in San Diego. We will be returning in 768 00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:36,760 Speaker 2: the future episode the Cover. This is ongoing undercover tragedy 769 00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:42,799 Speaker 2: from the unhoused perspective. Next episode is election time, and 770 00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:45,560 Speaker 2: as usual, there are so many candidates. 771 00:40:45,239 --> 00:40:46,000 Speaker 1: To choose from. 772 00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:48,560 Speaker 2: We'll be speaking with a few candidates who are running 773 00:40:48,560 --> 00:40:51,960 Speaker 2: for office in Los Angeles. That's next time on median House. 774 00:40:54,600 --> 00:40:58,200 Speaker 2: Until then, keep sharing the show at medianhouse dot com 775 00:40:58,520 --> 00:41:01,759 Speaker 2: and at median House on it Instagram. May we again 776 00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:06,080 Speaker 2: meet in the light of understanding. Willian House is a 777 00:41:06,120 --> 00:41:10,440 Speaker 2: production of iHeartRadio. 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