WEBVTT - Joey Badass Talks New Album, Jay-Z, Diddy, Emotional Intelligence, Processing Grief + More 0:00:00.360 --> 0:00:04.920 Wait that ass up in the morning Breakfast Club more 0:00:04.960 --> 0:00:09.200 than everybody's DJ Envy Angela Yee, Charlemagne the guy. We 0:00:09.240 --> 0:00:11.039 are to breakfast club. We got a special guests in 0:00:11.080 --> 0:00:15.800 the building. Yes indeedys, So you're sir welcome. How are you, 0:00:15.840 --> 0:00:19.120 my brother? Great? You look healthy? Good to be here. 0:00:19.160 --> 0:00:22.120 I am healthy? Absolutely. You know. I got a I'm 0:00:22.160 --> 0:00:25.200 in a group chatman with Rob Markman and Havain and 0:00:25.320 --> 0:00:27.480 b Dot and a couple of weeks ago and he 0:00:27.640 --> 0:00:30.640 was like, yo, y'all gotta listen to Joey Badass new album. 0:00:30.800 --> 0:00:33.120 I hadn't gotten a chance to listen to it. Man, 0:00:33.159 --> 0:00:35.440 I listen to it a couple of days ago. Phenomenal 0:00:35.479 --> 0:00:39.560 body or worth my brother like phenomenal like rap album 0:00:39.600 --> 0:00:42.600 of the year category. They should be mentioned in that 0:00:42.680 --> 0:00:44.920 kind of conversation. That means a lot coming from you, 0:00:44.920 --> 0:00:47.120 You know what I'm saying. I appreciate that. Definitely worked 0:00:47.159 --> 0:00:51.199 really hard on that. Um, I'm super satisfied with the project. 0:00:51.440 --> 0:00:53.920 I feel like all of the feedback has been really good. 0:00:54.040 --> 0:00:57.640 And those are my guys too, Sho, Hovan, Rob b 0:00:57.800 --> 0:01:00.360 Dot just some the other day, you know, I'm now 0:01:00.360 --> 0:01:01.680 I text him, I text him I was like, yo, well, 0:01:01.680 --> 0:01:03.240 I only tell me Joey bad As I was so good. 0:01:03.280 --> 0:01:07.840 It was like we did and listening and he told me, 0:01:08.200 --> 0:01:10.240 he said, you said that with rap Rado recently came 0:01:10.280 --> 0:01:12.360 out to shout out to Elliott as well. You know 0:01:12.520 --> 0:01:14.560 that was good. Those are my guys. Man was just 0:01:14.640 --> 0:01:18.240 keeping the conversation going. Heavily inspired by the mixtape game. 0:01:18.280 --> 0:01:20.080 It seems like, oh yeah, but with some of the 0:01:20.400 --> 0:01:22.120 first couple of samples, something in the way you make 0:01:22.160 --> 0:01:26.080 me feel like, yeah, so let's talk about that. Because 0:01:26.120 --> 0:01:27.280 as soon as I heard, I was like, oh, you 0:01:27.319 --> 0:01:29.200 could tell he was raised on mixtapes, So let's talk 0:01:29.200 --> 0:01:31.080 about that a little bit, right, Yeah. I mean, you know, 0:01:31.920 --> 0:01:34.000 it was like an older and every day pulled up 0:01:34.040 --> 0:01:37.360 on my man's statics shout statics, selected um and he 0:01:37.480 --> 0:01:39.480 played that joint and I ain't gonna lie. I laid 0:01:39.520 --> 0:01:41.960 that ship and I don't even care about it really. 0:01:42.080 --> 0:01:45.320 I was just like, you know, because that at that point, 0:01:45.400 --> 0:01:47.880 I was experimenting a lot, you know, with my sound, 0:01:48.000 --> 0:01:51.080 so when it came to, you know, the boom back 0:01:51.240 --> 0:01:54.080 or the traditional style, I would just kind of be 0:01:54.160 --> 0:01:56.559 bored with that. The sun I could do on my sleep, 0:01:56.560 --> 0:01:58.320 so I just kind of laid it and then think 0:01:58.360 --> 0:02:00.480 about it. But I was listening to with the next 0:02:00.560 --> 0:02:02.080 day and then the next day and the next day. 0:02:02.120 --> 0:02:03.840 I'm like, Yo, this shit is fired, you know what 0:02:03.880 --> 0:02:09.200 I'm saying. But definitely like with the whole mixtape, influence direction, 0:02:09.280 --> 0:02:10.840 you know, that's why I was raised on. That's what 0:02:10.919 --> 0:02:13.760 I grew up on. And this project, Um, you know, 0:02:14.520 --> 0:02:17.480 I'm more of a conceptual type of artists, but this one, 0:02:17.520 --> 0:02:19.600 I really just kind of wanted to speak towards my 0:02:19.639 --> 0:02:22.320 lifestyle and things that I was living on a day 0:02:22.320 --> 0:02:24.080 to day basis. You know what I'm saying, bring people 0:02:24.120 --> 0:02:26.360 to my world. I feel like it's been ten years 0:02:26.680 --> 0:02:28.160 since I've been in the game, and I feel like 0:02:28.160 --> 0:02:31.359 it was a perfect time for a reintroduction to Joey Badass. 0:02:31.360 --> 0:02:33.960 So that's kind of how structured this joints. So every 0:02:33.960 --> 0:02:35.919 time I see I feel like you you should have 0:02:35.960 --> 0:02:38.799 been You should have grew up in the in the 0:02:38.800 --> 0:02:40.919 hole of the naz Era. That's what Even when I 0:02:40.960 --> 0:02:43.519 see you acting, I'm like, you are from that error, 0:02:43.560 --> 0:02:46.200 Like your whole embodiment fits that error. That's why I 0:02:46.200 --> 0:02:47.799 told him this morning. I was like, yo, I said, 0:02:47.880 --> 0:02:50.800 it's very New York but still fresh. Yeah, that's how 0:02:50.840 --> 0:02:53.480 you moved to me. Very New York but still fresh 0:02:53.520 --> 0:02:55.240 with it. Yeah, man, you know I was when I 0:02:55.280 --> 0:02:58.440 came out at the time. Man, it was like nobody 0:02:58.480 --> 0:03:01.280 has seen what I was doing, you know. But for me, 0:03:01.320 --> 0:03:05.120 it was kind of like a natural reaction to what 0:03:05.240 --> 0:03:07.240 was going on, you know what I'm saying, Circle twenty ten, 0:03:07.320 --> 0:03:09.679 twenty eleven. You know a lot of stuff on the 0:03:09.760 --> 0:03:12.280 radio was like young money dominant. Then they started going 0:03:12.360 --> 0:03:14.160 West coast with it, you know what I'm saying. And 0:03:15.040 --> 0:03:19.440 I just felt the need that New York needed something 0:03:19.560 --> 0:03:22.320 that like represented it again, you know what I mean. 0:03:22.440 --> 0:03:25.000 And that's kind of just where I fell in and 0:03:25.480 --> 0:03:27.520 I feel like I felt that void kind of in 0:03:27.520 --> 0:03:29.639 a way. And yeah, now it's just kind of part 0:03:29.639 --> 0:03:34.040 of my DNA radio at that time, I know that. Well, 0:03:34.040 --> 0:03:37.520 you know, I was a kid. I hated everything. I 0:03:37.560 --> 0:03:40.200 hated literally everything. I didn't want to have talked to nobody, 0:03:40.240 --> 0:03:42.200 I ain't want to see nobody. I had no type 0:03:42.240 --> 0:03:45.160 of gauge or really what was going on into the 0:03:45.280 --> 0:03:48.080 magnitude of how it was going and when did that change? 0:03:48.080 --> 0:03:50.440 Because you know, when when you first came out, I 0:03:50.480 --> 0:03:53.600 guess you could consider the introvert, like you really didn't 0:03:53.760 --> 0:03:56.160 fuck with too many people. You were just kind of 0:03:56.200 --> 0:04:00.200 on your own, and and it's changed a lot since then. Yeah. Man, 0:04:00.240 --> 0:04:02.360 you know, when I first came out, I was very 0:04:02.400 --> 0:04:04.520 crew based, you know what I'm saying, Like I didn't 0:04:04.560 --> 0:04:07.200 want to go nowhere without my crew, you know what 0:04:07.240 --> 0:04:09.119 I'm saying, Like if I'm in the spot, my whole 0:04:09.120 --> 0:04:11.160 gang is in the spot, and if they can't get in, 0:04:11.400 --> 0:04:13.840 then I'm not going in, you know. And that really 0:04:13.920 --> 0:04:16.880 had kept me in my own bubble, so a lot 0:04:16.920 --> 0:04:19.400 of people couldn't like approach me. And I was being 0:04:19.400 --> 0:04:21.360 told things earlier in my career like yeah, I'm gonna 0:04:21.360 --> 0:04:23.000 approach the bone and stuff. I was like, what, Like, 0:04:23.360 --> 0:04:25.080 I feel like I'm the nicest guy, you know what 0:04:25.120 --> 0:04:28.240 I'm saying. I could have a conversation with anybody. You know. 0:04:28.279 --> 0:04:30.920 It's really just time and experience that went on and 0:04:31.000 --> 0:04:34.520 kind of realizing how many opportunities I was leaving behind 0:04:34.600 --> 0:04:37.840 because I was straight up not go to certain rooms 0:04:37.839 --> 0:04:41.240 and tables because I couldn't row five dep you know 0:04:41.240 --> 0:04:43.080 what I'm saying. And I had to smarten up as 0:04:43.120 --> 0:04:45.640 I got older and I realized, you know, you pack light. 0:04:46.200 --> 0:04:48.839 The lighter you pack, you know, the further you could fly, 0:04:49.040 --> 0:04:51.080 the further you could have sen what's the quote they say, 0:04:51.240 --> 0:04:53.680 if you want to go fast, go along. If you 0:04:53.720 --> 0:04:56.479 want to go far, go together. You know what I'm saying. 0:04:56.480 --> 0:04:59.039 So it's kind of like, now that's real because I 0:04:59.080 --> 0:05:02.240 remember when you came out, people loved your music, but 0:05:02.279 --> 0:05:04.760 they didn't know anything about Joey Badass. Besides, he's from 0:05:04.760 --> 0:05:06.440 Brooklyn and he runs with a lot of people. But 0:05:06.960 --> 0:05:08.719 like today, you came in and you're talking about cars. 0:05:08.720 --> 0:05:10.120 I'm like that, I never even know Joey was in 0:05:10.120 --> 0:05:12.240 the car. Yeah, and I know I do so much cars. 0:05:12.320 --> 0:05:13.960 I'm like that. But it's I'm glad to see you 0:05:13.960 --> 0:05:17.120 opening up people getting that understanding you a lot more. 0:05:17.240 --> 0:05:19.080 You know when it's when you're a new artist and 0:05:19.120 --> 0:05:20.839 you're coming into the game. And that's why I have 0:05:20.880 --> 0:05:23.720 a lot of like empathy and like patience for like 0:05:23.760 --> 0:05:27.160 these newer guys. It's like you're still introducing yourself, you 0:05:27.160 --> 0:05:30.760 know what I mean. People only can identify with the 0:05:30.960 --> 0:05:34.720 version of you where you caught the moment at So, 0:05:34.760 --> 0:05:37.840 say you got a song and it's about cheeseburgers. They 0:05:37.960 --> 0:05:42.440 like this. Nigga like cheese. They like Nigga, Why are 0:05:42.440 --> 0:05:45.599 you eating the glizzie you know on the street, Like 0:05:45.920 --> 0:05:47.560 you know what I mean. So it kind of just 0:05:47.640 --> 0:05:51.400 becomes a part of your identity and shit like that. 0:05:51.480 --> 0:05:54.280 And the more you grow and expand as an artist, 0:05:54.360 --> 0:05:56.920 you can introduce different size of yourself, you know what 0:05:57.000 --> 0:05:59.039 I mean. So for me being here ten years, it's 0:05:59.080 --> 0:06:02.760 like I've been able to implement you know, different size 0:06:02.760 --> 0:06:04.800 at the time goes on and I'm grateful for that. 0:06:04.920 --> 0:06:07.040 Why did it take so long? Why why ten years 0:06:07.040 --> 0:06:16.040 between projects? Oh No, I wasn't five years ago. Um, 0:06:16.080 --> 0:06:20.440 five years was my last album, All America, All American, right, 0:06:20.560 --> 0:06:22.839 But five years is a long time too, and this business. 0:06:22.880 --> 0:06:25.880 Why five years? Man? It wasn't no specific reason, Like, 0:06:26.320 --> 0:06:28.600 it wasn't like I finished my last time and be like, yeah, 0:06:28.600 --> 0:06:30.919 I'm gonna take five years or nah. It just it 0:06:31.040 --> 0:06:33.920 just happened that way, man. You know, I was experimenting, 0:06:34.000 --> 0:06:36.200 trying to find a new direction, trying to figure out 0:06:36.200 --> 0:06:39.160 which way I wanted to go. Um. In addition, I 0:06:39.200 --> 0:06:41.880 had my first kid, you know, my daughter, she's four 0:06:41.960 --> 0:06:45.960 years old now, um started doing a lot of TV 0:06:46.080 --> 0:06:49.400 and film stuff started taking off. So it was just 0:06:49.440 --> 0:06:51.800 really getting used to a new balance, and then the 0:06:51.839 --> 0:06:54.440 pandemic set me back. Like I had a project, but 0:06:54.600 --> 0:06:58.320 when the pandemic started, I got connected with myself in 0:06:58.400 --> 0:07:01.920 a different way, you know, and it became a whole 0:07:01.920 --> 0:07:04.960 different thing, you know. So it's just it's kind of 0:07:05.000 --> 0:07:06.320 the way it lined up. But I'll tell you this, 0:07:06.440 --> 0:07:09.560 like I ain't never planning on going away for that 0:07:09.600 --> 0:07:11.800 long again, you know. Well you're still on TV a 0:07:11.800 --> 0:07:15.280 lot though, so it didn't feel like for sure for sure, 0:07:15.400 --> 0:07:18.520 but like it felt a little weird because I would 0:07:18.520 --> 0:07:20.720 be going to interviews with like music people and they 0:07:20.760 --> 0:07:22.720 want to talk to me about acting, but you didn't 0:07:22.720 --> 0:07:24.560 win the Oscar. Yeah, you know what I mean. It's 0:07:24.680 --> 0:07:31.200 kind of big. Well yeah, the movie wanted the movie right, Yeah, 0:07:31.400 --> 0:07:33.480 you know, But does that make you feel away when 0:07:33.480 --> 0:07:35.440 you go to interviews and people don't know you as 0:07:35.440 --> 0:07:38.240 a rapper and they know you more as an act. No, 0:07:38.440 --> 0:07:40.040 you don't ever make me feel a way. But it 0:07:40.120 --> 0:07:42.400 just made me feel as I, Okay, it's been too long, 0:07:42.680 --> 0:07:44.960 these niggas about to forget that you rap? You know 0:07:44.960 --> 0:07:47.080 what I'm saying, these niggas about to just identify you 0:07:47.120 --> 0:07:48.560 as an actor, like you need to come with some 0:07:48.600 --> 0:07:51.080 shit now, you know That's That's kind of was more 0:07:51.120 --> 0:07:53.520 the pressure I was feeling. But I think it's ill 0:07:53.760 --> 0:07:57.000 when people, you know, notice me and they only know 0:07:57.120 --> 0:08:00.520 me for film and TV, because I actually like that 0:08:00.640 --> 0:08:03.800 opportunity to get to get to introduce myself to people, 0:08:04.280 --> 0:08:05.760 you know what I'm saying, Like they meet the person 0:08:05.880 --> 0:08:08.040 first and then they go check out my music. I 0:08:08.080 --> 0:08:11.000 feel like it always hit different that way because right 0:08:11.000 --> 0:08:14.800 there you could see, Okay, this nigga is not no 0:08:14.840 --> 0:08:17.240 one dimensional type of nigga, you know what I'm saying, 0:08:17.280 --> 0:08:19.920 And then you get into the music, like, oh, you 0:08:19.920 --> 0:08:21.760 know what I'm saying, Being an act opens up a 0:08:21.800 --> 0:08:25.800 lot more doors, I'm sure though, Yeah, yeah, absolutely absolutely. 0:08:25.800 --> 0:08:28.080 You know, they made a lot of connections, you know 0:08:28.120 --> 0:08:29.800 what I'm saying, with a lot of great people. I mean, 0:08:29.800 --> 0:08:32.400 shout out to everybody in the Power universe, from Sa Chapin, 0:08:32.559 --> 0:08:36.319 Cortney camp Fifth, shout out to my man James Samuel's 0:08:36.440 --> 0:08:38.280 you know what I'm saying. Even these are just people 0:08:38.320 --> 0:08:40.199 who've been looking out for me in the film and 0:08:40.280 --> 0:08:43.640 TV world and kind of like helping meet guide and 0:08:43.840 --> 0:08:46.800 still myself into the right places because that shit is hard, 0:08:47.000 --> 0:08:48.840 you know what I mean? That shit is harder than music, 0:08:49.280 --> 0:08:53.040 Like to be the lead role in a movie requires 0:08:53.720 --> 0:08:56.280 ample amount of time, like you got no time for yourself. 0:08:56.320 --> 0:08:59.960 I mean, I'm talking about from breakfast club hours old 0:09:00.000 --> 0:09:03.959 all the way to uh late night with Rosenberg hours 0:09:05.360 --> 0:09:08.599 every day Monday do Friday for about seven months, you 0:09:08.640 --> 0:09:10.400 know what I'm saying. With music, I mean, you know, 0:09:10.800 --> 0:09:14.080 the most strenuous part about being artist is like probably 0:09:14.120 --> 0:09:17.160 tour and even tours like okay, yeah, you probably gotta 0:09:17.160 --> 0:09:19.040 go to the next city, stay on the bus all day, 0:09:19.040 --> 0:09:22.200 but the work really is only for about an hour 0:09:22.320 --> 0:09:24.680 or two hours that night, you know what I'm saying. 0:09:24.720 --> 0:09:27.200 Everything else is kind of like just the ship that 0:09:27.280 --> 0:09:30.080 comes with it. But acting is a way tougher y'all. 0:09:31.559 --> 0:09:34.840 How did you get into acting? For people that don't know? Um, So, 0:09:35.200 --> 0:09:37.560 I was at theater student in high school. I went 0:09:37.600 --> 0:09:40.480 to Edward Armorrow. Um I had like audition for a 0:09:40.520 --> 0:09:45.640 bunch of different like drama theater programs because when I 0:09:45.679 --> 0:09:47.280 was coming up, when I when it was time for 0:09:47.320 --> 0:09:48.840 me to go to high school, like I always was 0:09:48.880 --> 0:09:51.600 into music, but at the time there was no program 0:09:51.679 --> 0:09:54.040 to go to, like work on my rap skills or 0:09:54.040 --> 0:09:57.960 the Rapper Show. My next like best thing to me 0:09:58.160 --> 0:09:59.839 was film, you know, I know, I always wanted to 0:09:59.880 --> 0:10:03.120 get into that, so I kind of just tried my 0:10:03.160 --> 0:10:05.960 little early start. I got accepted into Edward R. Murrow. 0:10:06.320 --> 0:10:08.720 They kicked me out after myself more year though for 0:10:08.800 --> 0:10:12.840 what My attendance was just poor. It was poor. I 0:10:12.960 --> 0:10:14.880 was like one out of three black kids. And the 0:10:14.960 --> 0:10:17.000 great thing about that is I was one out of 0:10:17.040 --> 0:10:19.520 three black kids. It was me and the homie Sadique 0:10:19.600 --> 0:10:22.319 who played ghost Face on Wu Tang Wow. So it 0:10:22.360 --> 0:10:24.920 was dope, you know what I'm saying. Yeah, you know 0:10:24.920 --> 0:10:26.760 what I mean, connecting back with him the whole full 0:10:26.800 --> 0:10:29.040 circle joint. Did you ever think you would lose your 0:10:29.120 --> 0:10:33.679 rap identity as Joey Badass playing Inspected Deck. Um? No, 0:10:33.760 --> 0:10:35.720 I didn't think I was gonna lose my rap identity. 0:10:35.760 --> 0:10:38.400 But that is a good question because I was always 0:10:38.440 --> 0:10:41.559 reluctant about playing roles that were too close to who 0:10:41.600 --> 0:10:43.959 I am in real life, especially a rapper. I'm like, 0:10:43.960 --> 0:10:45.240 I don't want to be a rapper because I am 0:10:45.240 --> 0:10:47.480 a rapper. But when I got off of that, you know, 0:10:47.640 --> 0:10:50.640 it's Wu tang like that's a big honor. And then 0:10:50.840 --> 0:10:53.760 Rizzi has been one of my mentors in this game 0:10:53.800 --> 0:10:56.360 for a long time, so I definitely wanted to come 0:10:56.360 --> 0:10:58.160 through for him, like I felt he's come through for 0:10:58.200 --> 0:11:00.720 me a lot of the times. But then I got 0:11:00.760 --> 0:11:03.880 power and then I got on Vivid or Full Team. 0:11:04.360 --> 0:11:06.679 The album two thousand, right, it's called two thousand. By 0:11:06.720 --> 0:11:09.320 my calculations, you were five and two thousands. So what 0:11:09.360 --> 0:11:12.640 do you what do you remember about that year? Man? 0:11:12.760 --> 0:11:17.160 I remember so vividly being in pre k. This is like, 0:11:18.320 --> 0:11:21.439 this had to be like right before I went to kindergarten, 0:11:22.040 --> 0:11:25.040 probably like May or some shit. I just remember seeing 0:11:25.040 --> 0:11:29.480 my teacher right on the chalkboard, like May first or something. 0:11:29.640 --> 0:11:32.120 Two thousand. I just remember that shit being a big thing. 0:11:32.360 --> 0:11:34.800 And I also remember being terrified because as a kid 0:11:34.800 --> 0:11:38.000 hearing about the watch, I'm like, mine's the world gone? 0:11:38.040 --> 0:11:41.320 And boom, you know, two thousand came and it was 0:11:41.360 --> 0:11:43.760 just like a whole It was a new millennium, you know, 0:11:44.040 --> 0:11:47.319 because most people two K and ship my ship, So 0:11:47.440 --> 0:11:49.439 because most people talking about they talked about those years 0:11:49.480 --> 0:11:51.840 and it was teenagers. Is they're formative years, Like I 0:11:51.840 --> 0:11:54.400 mean you were five, Yeah, yeah, I was five, but 0:11:54.440 --> 0:11:57.280 I was very aware. I was soaking up game. You 0:11:57.280 --> 0:12:01.720 know what I'm saying. I was serving tell me about 0:12:01.720 --> 0:12:03.640 the jay Z connection because you referenced that a couple 0:12:03.720 --> 0:12:06.000 of times on the album will make you feel and 0:12:06.040 --> 0:12:08.040 I might be papreate and wo you say, peep game 0:12:08.120 --> 0:12:10.600 like Jay, That's that's why he didn't sign me. That's 0:12:10.640 --> 0:12:12.319 why I didn't. He didn't sign this. Get the Game 0:12:12.360 --> 0:12:15.400 at Bay, like the forty nine is like that line 0:12:15.600 --> 0:12:21.720 is inspired by you know, Jay is like definitely, Jay 0:12:21.840 --> 0:12:24.480 is like an idol of Yeah, you know what I'm saying. 0:12:24.600 --> 0:12:28.560 So I read his book The Coded, and that line 0:12:28.640 --> 0:12:31.080 was inspired by piecing the coda when he said he 0:12:31.160 --> 0:12:33.920 met with Russell Simmons for the first time and he 0:12:34.400 --> 0:12:37.680 details experience as him like remembering sitting at that table 0:12:37.720 --> 0:12:40.720 and looking at them and thinking to himself like damn, 0:12:40.760 --> 0:12:42.400 Like I don't want to be signing these niggas. I 0:12:42.400 --> 0:12:44.560 want to beat these niggas, you know what I'm saying. 0:12:44.600 --> 0:12:46.920 So that was kind of the inspiration behind that line. 0:12:47.000 --> 0:12:50.400 It's like, you know, shit didn't work out or whatever 0:12:50.520 --> 0:12:54.079 for whatever reason it didn't. Um, but shit, you remember 0:12:54.120 --> 0:12:57.560 the first conversation with Jay, you first sit down on him. Yeah? Yeah, 0:12:57.679 --> 0:13:00.880 I was seventeen years old. You know, he flew me 0:13:00.920 --> 0:13:03.240 over the tour. I was in Denvil. He flew me 0:13:03.280 --> 0:13:05.400 back out to New York to meet with him, and 0:13:06.440 --> 0:13:08.160 you know, I was a funny little nigga. So I 0:13:08.240 --> 0:13:13.880 walked in and I'm like, yes, like nigga whatever it is. 0:13:17.360 --> 0:13:19.440 He was sitting like behind his desk, kind of like 0:13:19.440 --> 0:13:22.080 how it looks Charlemagne is right there, but he was 0:13:22.120 --> 0:13:24.559 standing up like you know, doing the pacing back and 0:13:24.600 --> 0:13:27.840 forth and shit. And it was a dope experience, man, 0:13:27.920 --> 0:13:32.280 because at seventeen years so, I felt so limitless. Like 0:13:32.640 --> 0:13:35.000 it was probably like when I was fifteen or sixteen, 0:13:35.120 --> 0:13:37.320 like I visualized in my mind like I want to 0:13:37.320 --> 0:13:39.480 be signed at jay Z. So when I was going 0:13:39.559 --> 0:13:41.839 up in that rock Nation Building like a year or 0:13:41.880 --> 0:13:45.680 two later, I'm like, damn, I could do anything, you 0:13:45.720 --> 0:13:48.840 know what I'm saying, Like I'm already I'm already intersecting 0:13:48.920 --> 0:13:51.880 with my idol. I'm already in alignment with my idol. 0:13:52.600 --> 0:13:54.880 Anything is possible, you know what I'm saying. That's how 0:13:54.920 --> 0:13:57.480 I looked at it no matter what happened, whether it 0:13:57.559 --> 0:13:59.679 worked out or didn't. You know, did he tell you 0:13:59.679 --> 0:14:03.040 why he didn't sign y'all? It's funny like I always 0:14:03.080 --> 0:14:05.840 see him now and I'll be wanting to have that conversation, 0:14:06.200 --> 0:14:08.439 but the time, I feel like the time never permits. 0:14:08.480 --> 0:14:10.600 Like where we at, you know what I'm saying, be 0:14:10.760 --> 0:14:13.760 stuff going on, but I'd be wanting to ask him that, 0:14:13.920 --> 0:14:15.760 Like you know what I'm saying, because I was so 0:14:15.880 --> 0:14:18.480 young at the time, and to me, there was no 0:14:18.559 --> 0:14:21.280 reason to not sign a jay Z. But you know 0:14:21.320 --> 0:14:26.000 there was other, um you know, factors involved and shit 0:14:26.160 --> 0:14:29.400 like that. So I'm not really sure what exactly happened, 0:14:29.440 --> 0:14:32.520 like if the communicate, if the communication channels was like 0:14:33.240 --> 0:14:36.280 sabotage or something like that. Like, I don't know what happened, 0:14:36.400 --> 0:14:38.320 you know, because based off the album, it seems like 0:14:38.360 --> 0:14:41.040 y'all used to be up there a lot, like skateboarding 0:14:41.040 --> 0:14:43.600 in front of the building. Well, yeah, they showed us 0:14:43.640 --> 0:14:45.640 a lot of love, you know what I'm saying. To 0:14:45.720 --> 0:14:48.200 this day, you know, he looks out for me, shows 0:14:48.240 --> 0:14:50.880 me a lot of love. So it's just always been, um, 0:14:52.480 --> 0:14:55.640 you know, what's more like three degrees of separation, you 0:14:55.720 --> 0:14:58.280 know what I'm saying, like knowing mutual people and a 0:14:58.280 --> 0:15:00.680 lot then also Chan that's the rap. We had a 0:15:00.720 --> 0:15:02.280 chance to wrap up here and he said, you guys 0:15:02.280 --> 0:15:04.920 are really close. Yeah, how did y'all develop that relationship? 0:15:04.920 --> 0:15:07.880 How y'all get so close? Man? Since the beginning? You know, 0:15:08.080 --> 0:15:10.960 Like I think I was probably the first dude in 0:15:11.000 --> 0:15:14.280 the industry to like Collid with a Chance, you know 0:15:14.320 --> 0:15:17.760 what I'm saying, back in the day, and I remember 0:15:17.800 --> 0:15:20.920 seeing his video for Hey Miles, like his first single, 0:15:21.000 --> 0:15:23.440 and I remember seeing that ship right away, Like, Yo, 0:15:23.520 --> 0:15:25.720 this dude is a star, you know what I'm saying. 0:15:25.720 --> 0:15:28.320 And you to Chicago. We had connected one time and 0:15:28.840 --> 0:15:31.000 from there we was just cool, you know what I'm saying. 0:15:31.000 --> 0:15:34.920 He was always a good dude to be around, good energy, 0:15:35.000 --> 0:15:38.320 good spirit, and like, you know, just like mindedness. You know, 0:15:39.000 --> 0:15:40.960 shout out to my dog Chance. We got the hogs 0:15:40.960 --> 0:15:43.320 and the lows out right now. I think it's definitely 0:15:43.360 --> 0:15:46.000 one of the best songs that dropped this year, you know. 0:15:47.040 --> 0:15:48.560 And I like what you said about this being a 0:15:48.640 --> 0:15:51.080 reintroduction to Joy Badass, because you do tell so much 0:15:51.080 --> 0:15:54.000 about yourself. You talk about your cousin Richie rich writing 0:15:54.040 --> 0:15:56.360 your writing your first rap? Yeah, but what kind of 0:15:56.400 --> 0:15:59.120 battery did that? Putting your back? Man? I mean, he 0:15:59.320 --> 0:16:03.240 just like really gave me structure, you know what I'm saying, 0:16:03.240 --> 0:16:05.080 Like he taught me how to count balls and all that, 0:16:05.120 --> 0:16:07.360 because I'm like, what is the sixteen and he kind 0:16:07.360 --> 0:16:08.840 of broke it down for me. It's kind of like 0:16:09.080 --> 0:16:10.920 he's like, it's kind of like a line a line 0:16:10.960 --> 0:16:14.320 by line, you know what I'm saying. So having characters 0:16:14.360 --> 0:16:16.840 like that in my life at an early age definitely 0:16:16.880 --> 0:16:21.160 gave me like the extra confidence, you know what I'm 0:16:21.160 --> 0:16:23.160 saying to do it, because while other kids was like 0:16:23.240 --> 0:16:25.520 kind of struggling trying to figure out what they were doing, 0:16:25.800 --> 0:16:28.280 I actually had guidance, you know what I mean, some 0:16:28.360 --> 0:16:30.280 type of guidance like you know, look, that's how you 0:16:30.280 --> 0:16:32.080 write a rap. Boom boo. Let me write your first 0:16:32.160 --> 0:16:34.080 rap for you. Let me get you set up. And 0:16:34.160 --> 0:16:36.280 then you know, I had other older cousins who's a 0:16:36.400 --> 0:16:38.360 rapping shit like that For a long time. It was 0:16:38.360 --> 0:16:40.960 a running joke because when I was a kid, I 0:16:41.040 --> 0:16:42.760 used to always tell them, yo, yeah, y'all need to 0:16:42.760 --> 0:16:45.200 bring me to the studio. Boom and then my ship 0:16:45.280 --> 0:16:49.160 blew up and I was like, ah, yeah, niggas, do 0:16:49.160 --> 0:16:58.320 you remember writing your first rap um my first rap? Nah? Nah? 0:16:58.680 --> 0:17:01.920 Like I don't remember in my first rod, but it 0:17:02.000 --> 0:17:04.239 must have been in like first grade because that's when 0:17:04.280 --> 0:17:07.480 I was introduced the poetry and I identified it as 0:17:07.560 --> 0:17:09.720 like I was like, Oh, this is shit that biggie doing. 0:17:10.280 --> 0:17:12.320 That's like what my brain said, you know what I mean. 0:17:12.359 --> 0:17:14.680 And if from there I got into poetry, but I 0:17:14.680 --> 0:17:17.719 would always do like rap style poems. What did your 0:17:17.720 --> 0:17:19.480 family say back then when you when you started rapping 0:17:19.480 --> 0:17:22.040 because you got accepted to this this great school, but 0:17:22.080 --> 0:17:23.760 you wanted to rap. Well, the thing is I was 0:17:23.800 --> 0:17:26.200 already rapping before the school, you know what I'm saying. 0:17:26.240 --> 0:17:28.560 My family already knew that that's what I like to do. 0:17:29.040 --> 0:17:31.200 I ain't gonna out of My family always been supportive, 0:17:31.800 --> 0:17:33.560 you know what I mean, Like they was pretty much 0:17:33.640 --> 0:17:38.320 more like amazed by my conviction because you know I 0:17:38.440 --> 0:17:40.679 used to My mom used to kicking me out. We 0:17:40.720 --> 0:17:42.440 used to fall out, and then I would go by 0:17:42.480 --> 0:17:45.040 my grand mom's and I would set like a make 0:17:45.119 --> 0:17:47.440 I would set up a makeshift studio in the basement, 0:17:47.840 --> 0:17:48.960 so It's like, you know, it would be a running 0:17:49.040 --> 0:17:50.800 joke in my family, like, Oh, you don't go down 0:17:50.840 --> 0:17:53.119 there and mess with javon studio stuff, you know what 0:17:53.119 --> 0:17:55.199 I mean. I would have like the towels hanging from 0:17:55.240 --> 0:17:58.840 the ceiling, create like a whole little booth. But I 0:17:58.920 --> 0:18:01.320 remember the first time I spent that verse that my 0:18:01.359 --> 0:18:05.080 cousin wrote for me for my mom's I was like 0:18:05.200 --> 0:18:07.920 nine years old, and she went something like, my name 0:18:08.000 --> 0:18:10.919 is little Jay, and I got the nain you messed 0:18:10.920 --> 0:18:14.040 with me, and I blow off your mind. They hating cousins. 0:18:14.040 --> 0:18:16.600 I'll be on my ground and I always shine while 0:18:16.640 --> 0:18:18.960 you acting like your shelf clocks for I put a 0:18:19.080 --> 0:18:22.640 pipe bomb in your mailbox some shit like that, right, 0:18:22.640 --> 0:18:27.400 I'm not I don't even know what. Nah. She even 0:18:27.400 --> 0:18:30.480 stat for me me. She was like, do you know what 0:18:30.600 --> 0:18:35.919 a nine is? And I was like, I'm to me, 0:18:36.000 --> 0:18:40.080 I'm like, I'm nine, so it just sounds nine years 0:18:40.080 --> 0:18:42.760 old for me. I'm like, nah. She was like it's 0:18:42.760 --> 0:18:46.399 a gun. First of all. I was like word. And 0:18:46.440 --> 0:18:48.560 then she gave me the realist advice. She was like, yo, look, 0:18:49.200 --> 0:18:50.919 if you want to do this, you could do that, 0:18:51.359 --> 0:18:55.360 but you just gotta be true to yourself and from 0:18:55.400 --> 0:18:57.359 there I just kind of took that in rand with 0:18:57.400 --> 0:19:01.320 She didn't saying about the pipe bomb. Nah. I think 0:19:01.359 --> 0:19:03.639 she kind of figured out that it wasn't my words, 0:19:04.040 --> 0:19:06.240 you know what I'm saying, somebody who else was involved 0:19:06.280 --> 0:19:08.640 in that. Now I love written in the stars too. 0:19:08.880 --> 0:19:10.760 You mentioned your daughter earlier. You said your daughter was 0:19:10.800 --> 0:19:12.760 your wake up call that What did that wake up 0:19:12.760 --> 0:19:15.080 call look like? Do you? Yeah? You know when I 0:19:15.119 --> 0:19:17.960 had my daughter, it was like, oh shit, I only 0:19:18.000 --> 0:19:20.600 got one kid, you know what I mean? I was 0:19:20.760 --> 0:19:23.600 I felt so obligated in the earlier years in my 0:19:23.680 --> 0:19:27.680 career to take kid people and you know, look out 0:19:27.760 --> 0:19:31.199 for people and to the point where, you know, a 0:19:31.240 --> 0:19:34.200 lot of the times it burned me out, you know, 0:19:34.520 --> 0:19:37.960 um feeling that get feeling like guilt survivors guilt and 0:19:38.000 --> 0:19:40.399 things of that nature. But you know, when my baby 0:19:40.440 --> 0:19:43.479 girl came, I was like, oh, okay, this is really 0:19:44.119 --> 0:19:47.320 the only person I'm responsible for, you know what I'm saying. 0:19:47.320 --> 0:19:50.360 And now that she's his different, Like, if you can't 0:19:50.440 --> 0:19:53.640 respect that, then you know we can't even be cool 0:19:53.760 --> 0:19:55.760 no more. How's your life change? How do you move 0:19:55.840 --> 0:19:58.400 differently now that you have a girl? You have more conviction, 0:19:58.440 --> 0:20:00.760 do you invest more? Like? How do that change you 0:20:00.800 --> 0:20:03.480 as a father to man? Well? Yeah, you know, definitely 0:20:03.520 --> 0:20:07.320 more focused, definitely more intention and everything that I do, 0:20:07.520 --> 0:20:10.720 especially when it comes to you know, spending and living. 0:20:10.760 --> 0:20:13.600 I mean shit, I was I'm a very spontaneous type 0:20:13.600 --> 0:20:17.720 of due. So one thing that I realized quick was like, 0:20:17.720 --> 0:20:19.480 oh shit, I don't got the same free you somebody 0:20:19.560 --> 0:20:21.720 used to have, Like I would be able to go 0:20:21.760 --> 0:20:24.560 to Africa tomorrow now, you know what I'm saying, I 0:20:24.560 --> 0:20:27.560 gotta set it up, make sure hey, things good, she good, 0:20:27.600 --> 0:20:30.520 like weeks in advance. You know. I say it made 0:20:30.520 --> 0:20:33.480 me more patient, It made me more gentle, It made 0:20:33.480 --> 0:20:37.280 me more willing to learn and listen, you know what 0:20:37.359 --> 0:20:39.680 I'm saying. Like, especially with a baby girl, I feel 0:20:39.720 --> 0:20:42.159 like it's way more delicate. You know. How did you 0:20:42.240 --> 0:20:47.399 change your overall perspective of women? Um? Definitely, Like you know, 0:20:47.480 --> 0:20:49.800 from time to time I would have the thought like 0:20:51.840 --> 0:20:54.160 I wouldn't with my daughter to you know what I'm 0:20:54.160 --> 0:20:56.960 saying being in a situation like that, So it definitely 0:20:57.040 --> 0:21:00.280 kind of gives you a heightened state of awareness. I 0:21:00.320 --> 0:21:03.520 would say, you know, when it comes to that interaction 0:21:03.560 --> 0:21:07.600 but I mean, I've always been a super respectful man anyway, 0:21:07.680 --> 0:21:09.760 but like you know, with my baby girl in my life, 0:21:09.760 --> 0:21:11.960 it definitely kind of shapes my mind in a way, like, 0:21:12.440 --> 0:21:15.159 all right, let me try to be more like the 0:21:15.240 --> 0:21:18.200 version of the man that I would want my baby 0:21:18.240 --> 0:21:21.280 girl to grow up. Man, you know, be with deal 0:21:21.359 --> 0:21:24.040 with Do you ever look at it like I was 0:21:24.080 --> 0:21:25.720 this way as a man and now I gotta change 0:21:25.720 --> 0:21:27.600 because I don't want my daughter to like that as 0:21:27.640 --> 0:21:34.879 a man. Um Yes and no, because you know, life 0:21:34.960 --> 0:21:38.600 is about growth. You know, nobody's gonna come straight off 0:21:38.600 --> 0:21:43.160 with a tree like boom, perfect solid, the full man 0:21:43.240 --> 0:21:45.560 that they're supposed to be. Like, Nah, you gotta experience, 0:21:45.640 --> 0:21:47.480 and you know I want, I want. I don't want 0:21:47.520 --> 0:21:50.040 none of that to be hidden from my child, Like 0:21:50.080 --> 0:21:52.800 I don't want her to ever view life as a 0:21:53.480 --> 0:21:55.920 thing where you could skip steps and still get by. 0:21:56.040 --> 0:21:58.960 You know what I'm saying. It's like everything counts to 0:22:00.160 --> 0:22:02.240 whatever point in time. You you know what I mean, 0:22:02.280 --> 0:22:04.800 Everything is added up. You know we all got we 0:22:04.840 --> 0:22:07.560 all got all types of childhood traumas that we couldn't 0:22:07.600 --> 0:22:09.680 even run from if we tried to. You know what 0:22:09.720 --> 0:22:11.840 I'm saying, it was inevitable, there was no way to 0:22:11.840 --> 0:22:14.359 get off that path or whatever. And these are the 0:22:14.400 --> 0:22:17.280 things that affect us saying, you know what I'm saying, 0:22:17.359 --> 0:22:19.680 ultimately shape who we are, you know what I mean. 0:22:19.760 --> 0:22:23.400 But as long as you know, you got that growth mindset, 0:22:23.480 --> 0:22:26.080 or as long as whoever she's with got that growth mindset, 0:22:26.119 --> 0:22:30.000 then I got some patience, you know, I got some sympathy. 0:22:30.440 --> 0:22:32.240 You talked about that being your only child, like did 0:22:32.280 --> 0:22:35.040 that inspire the line on cruise control? And I'm know 0:22:35.119 --> 0:22:37.280 I'm paraphrasing again, but it's like you basically said you 0:22:37.280 --> 0:22:39.359 had to cut off friends you outgrew because you were 0:22:39.359 --> 0:22:41.720 just holding onto them because of the history, right that 0:22:41.800 --> 0:22:48.760 y'all had together. When did you realize that fully? Um? Yeah, 0:22:48.760 --> 0:22:50.960 I want to say definitely closer that time that I 0:22:51.000 --> 0:22:55.280 had had my child, you know, and starting to kind 0:22:55.280 --> 0:22:59.160 of put my life into perspective, looking at assets versus liabilities, 0:22:59.240 --> 0:23:04.120 like what was what was? Um? You know, my dad 0:23:04.119 --> 0:23:06.840 always give me this analogy, especially when it comes to money, 0:23:06.960 --> 0:23:10.119 is like it's like having a bag, right and you're 0:23:10.160 --> 0:23:11.920 filling it up with water, but it got a hole 0:23:12.000 --> 0:23:15.080 in it, and the hole is representative of your liabilities 0:23:15.160 --> 0:23:17.480 or your overhead. So I was really starting to look 0:23:17.480 --> 0:23:19.720 at it like that, like who's helping me close this hole? 0:23:20.040 --> 0:23:22.920 Who's helping me make this shit bigger? And that's where 0:23:23.000 --> 0:23:25.560 my discernment started to come in and to develop. And 0:23:25.880 --> 0:23:28.520 you know, that's how I was able to separate the 0:23:28.600 --> 0:23:31.880 real from the fake. Really, and now I'll just roll. 0:23:31.960 --> 0:23:34.600 I just the way I'm moving around is like way lighter, 0:23:34.720 --> 0:23:37.600 you know what I'm saying. Like, and that's part of 0:23:37.640 --> 0:23:39.480 it too. But then also you have the friends who 0:23:39.720 --> 0:23:41.480 even if you're doing for them, they feel like it's 0:23:41.480 --> 0:23:44.600 never enough. Yeah, man, like they're entitled. That's where the 0:23:44.760 --> 0:23:47.880 entitlement creeps in, you know what I'm saying. M Yeah, 0:23:47.880 --> 0:23:49.959 you gotta you gotta, you gotta be real careful with that. 0:23:50.040 --> 0:23:54.640 I mean, I'm on some I'm in a headspace now 0:23:54.720 --> 0:24:00.000 where as soon as I feel those negativities or those disconnections, 0:24:01.040 --> 0:24:02.960 that's it. I'm you know what I mean, Because I 0:24:03.000 --> 0:24:06.080 ain't about to sit here and drain myself out and 0:24:06.119 --> 0:24:10.520 try to, um, you know, make somebody happy who can't 0:24:10.520 --> 0:24:13.399 make theirself happy. You know, that's that's like a waste 0:24:13.400 --> 0:24:15.119 of your time. You know what I'm saying, and I'm 0:24:15.240 --> 0:24:18.160 done wasting my time, like I'm trying to elevate, trying 0:24:18.200 --> 0:24:20.320 to be the best of me and like that type 0:24:20.320 --> 0:24:23.880 of shit is just uh detours. What did they say, 0:24:23.960 --> 0:24:28.480 Joey's Joey Hollywood Now? Not because I ain't never moved 0:24:28.480 --> 0:24:32.320 out of New York, you know what I mean? Shit, 0:24:32.400 --> 0:24:35.360 I mean, you know, New Drules, but you know I'm 0:24:35.359 --> 0:24:37.560 still here now in the baddest. First of all, you 0:24:37.600 --> 0:24:40.040 and you and Diddy seemed like y'all have a strong relationship. Absolutely. 0:24:40.040 --> 0:24:42.240 How did he get so cool and so close? Man? 0:24:42.280 --> 0:24:46.120 I met Diddy? Uh when it was this twenty sixteen 0:24:46.280 --> 0:24:50.120 or twenty fifteen, twenty sixteen coming out to Rihanna met 0:24:50.119 --> 0:24:53.080 gala after party and want to know, he was walking out, 0:24:53.160 --> 0:24:56.320 I was walking in and he was just like, yo, King, 0:24:56.800 --> 0:24:58.919 I've been trying to connect with you for years, Like 0:24:58.960 --> 0:25:00.840 I was trying to sign are you back in the day, 0:25:00.840 --> 0:25:02.560 and I'm like, this is all news to me, you 0:25:02.560 --> 0:25:03.800 know what I mean, It's the first time. I mean, 0:25:03.840 --> 0:25:06.320 you know, I'm like wow, word boom. And in that 0:25:06.400 --> 0:25:08.800 same week I had rolled it out in Miami and 0:25:08.840 --> 0:25:11.120 then I ran into him again and if from there 0:25:11.119 --> 0:25:13.879 it was just like we would just roll dogs, you 0:25:13.920 --> 0:25:16.000 know what I'm saying, Like he would be going soon, yo, Joe, 0:25:16.040 --> 0:25:18.040 I'm being in New York. Boom pull up, you know. 0:25:18.240 --> 0:25:20.760 And we just kind of developed that relationship like that. 0:25:20.840 --> 0:25:25.520 And it's like I'm too yeah, exactly shit because of me, 0:25:25.680 --> 0:25:27.320 you know what I mean. I got him on that project, 0:25:27.400 --> 0:25:29.600 I got him involved. I made a phone call and 0:25:29.680 --> 0:25:31.159 made it happen, you know what I'm saying. And this, 0:25:31.320 --> 0:25:34.760 I'm super grateful for that relationship because me, I'm a sponge. 0:25:35.119 --> 0:25:36.560 So it's like you bring me around to the right 0:25:36.640 --> 0:25:38.800 wounds and tables, like I ain't taking that ship for granted. 0:25:38.840 --> 0:25:41.320 I'm connected, I'm networking, I'm you know what I'm saying, 0:25:41.320 --> 0:25:45.040 I'm using the opportunity fruitfully, you know what I mean, 0:25:45.119 --> 0:25:49.280 as it should be. So that's how he's always he's 0:25:49.320 --> 0:25:51.400 the fact that he could identify that in me. I'm 0:25:51.480 --> 0:25:53.439 very appreciative for that, you know what I'm saying. And 0:25:53.440 --> 0:25:55.840 it's like as like his little bro, like I want 0:25:55.840 --> 0:25:58.560 to maximize on those things. I don't want to let 0:25:58.600 --> 0:25:59.919 him down. You know what I'm saying. I want to 0:26:00.280 --> 0:26:03.400 return plus interest. You know what I'm saying, Return on investment, 0:26:03.480 --> 0:26:05.680 and it ain't even that type of situation. There ain't 0:26:05.720 --> 0:26:08.240 no business involved. It's just really just love. But that's 0:26:08.280 --> 0:26:10.760 just my mindset, that's my character. You know. He did 0:26:10.840 --> 0:26:12.560 the intro and the outro. On the outro, he said 0:26:12.560 --> 0:26:15.520 something to the effect of, um, you know, we gotta 0:26:15.560 --> 0:26:17.760 we gotta bring that New York feeling back, Like you know, 0:26:17.840 --> 0:26:21.200 people are sometimes we lost ourselves a little bit by 0:26:21.240 --> 0:26:23.639 those conversations that y'all have. And do you think that 0:26:23.680 --> 0:26:25.439 you can actually bring New York back if you live 0:26:25.480 --> 0:26:29.440 in someplace like Miami, La. But you gotta be here, Yeah, 0:26:29.440 --> 0:26:31.199 I think you gotta be here for show because you 0:26:31.200 --> 0:26:33.399 gotta connect with the pulse of the city, you know 0:26:33.440 --> 0:26:35.040 what I'm saying. Like I was talking to my boy 0:26:35.119 --> 0:26:37.960 Fur the other day and we definitely plying on like 0:26:38.080 --> 0:26:40.880 just bringing some synergy back here, you know what I mean, 0:26:41.000 --> 0:26:43.240 having like different events. I feel like the city is 0:26:43.320 --> 0:26:47.600 kind of disconnected. It's dead right now. Like there's a 0:26:47.640 --> 0:26:50.439 lot of disconnection, you know what I'm saying, Like we 0:26:50.520 --> 0:26:52.920 all know each other, but ain't nobody linking up. Ain't 0:26:52.960 --> 0:26:56.920 nobody got no central spot, no safe spaces, ain't enough 0:26:56.920 --> 0:26:59.560 safe spaces, No more just random little events here like 0:26:59.560 --> 0:27:03.280 shut go here, shit, I don't know, you know, um 0:27:03.440 --> 0:27:05.840 what was the question? The question was do you all 0:27:05.880 --> 0:27:08.520 have those conversations about bringing the feeling back? Oh? Yeah, 0:27:08.600 --> 0:27:11.000 you know, yeah yeah, me and Puff we've spoken about 0:27:11.040 --> 0:27:12.879 that over the years, Like you know, I'll play him 0:27:12.920 --> 0:27:15.240 some songs. He's like, yeah, like this is the vib 0:27:15.480 --> 0:27:17.600 this ain't the vibe, or you should do this, you 0:27:17.600 --> 0:27:20.480 should go more here. You know, but that's usually the 0:27:21.359 --> 0:27:23.640 focus of the conversation. You know what I'm saying. We're 0:27:23.640 --> 0:27:26.720 always trying to stay in that essence. He still got it. 0:27:26.840 --> 0:27:29.840 En said he don't got no end no more. Fifty 0:27:29.880 --> 0:27:33.160 said did he ain't got no? That's a lot, that's 0:27:33.160 --> 0:27:36.120 a lot. Puff. I feel like he always gonna have it. Yeah, 0:27:36.240 --> 0:27:38.760 you know what I'm saying. Now, who do you respect 0:27:38.840 --> 0:27:40.800 lyrically now? Because you know, of course in the battles 0:27:40.840 --> 0:27:43.280 you talk about of course Kenny, yourself and Cold. So 0:27:43.280 --> 0:27:46.480 who do you respect lyrically now? Um, lirial clyar. Shit. 0:27:46.720 --> 0:27:48.080 You know, I feel like there's a lot of people 0:27:48.119 --> 0:27:51.320 doing anything right now, Like you got Grizelda, you got 0:27:51.320 --> 0:27:54.879 Freddie Gibbs, you got j I D you know, you 0:27:55.000 --> 0:27:59.000 got my homie Flapper zombies um been doing their ship 0:27:59.520 --> 0:28:01.600 and people I don't never mentioned flat Ba Zombie slew 0:28:01.640 --> 0:28:03.840 the flat Ba Zombie. Yeah. I mean, you know, I'm 0:28:03.840 --> 0:28:06.200 a real Booklyn, New York nigga, the East Coast nigga. 0:28:06.240 --> 0:28:08.360 So I'm gonna putting on from my city and ship. 0:28:08.440 --> 0:28:12.199 But you got Denzel Curry doing this thing too. You 0:28:12.200 --> 0:28:15.879 know that's just a few. I want to be loved. 0:28:15.960 --> 0:28:18.199 I love that hookies. I want to be loved and 0:28:18.280 --> 0:28:20.440 you know, not judged. Why why is that so hard 0:28:20.480 --> 0:28:23.960 for us to just love and not judge people? Man? 0:28:24.040 --> 0:28:28.399 Because societal norms, you know what I mean, like the society, 0:28:28.440 --> 0:28:31.720 the world that we're living in, the agreements that we have, 0:28:32.000 --> 0:28:34.560 the ego, you know what I'm saying. I mean social 0:28:34.600 --> 0:28:38.920 media in itself, it's just a judgment app. You know, 0:28:39.000 --> 0:28:41.840 you're scrolling down and you're just analyzing and judging and 0:28:41.960 --> 0:28:46.680 making observations inferences, and you know, you're just looking at 0:28:46.680 --> 0:28:50.440 everybody highlight reels and you think, you know you saw 0:28:50.560 --> 0:28:53.320 comparing it to yourself and to your life. Like you know, 0:28:53.520 --> 0:28:56.200 I feel like if we could just learn how to 0:28:56.280 --> 0:29:00.720 love and you know, detach ourselves from go like, you know, 0:29:00.800 --> 0:29:03.160 the world will be a better place obviously. You know, 0:29:03.320 --> 0:29:05.120 I never realized too, man, just listening to that, I 0:29:05.320 --> 0:29:07.720 never realized how much you sound like most death YO 0:29:07.880 --> 0:29:10.560 people be saying. I don't hear it. On this project especially, 0:29:10.560 --> 0:29:12.320 I was like, damn, it's like he really sound like 0:29:12.360 --> 0:29:16.000 most I don't hear it. I most is like, you know, 0:29:16.080 --> 0:29:19.160 one of my favorite rappers, like Whomi says, it's probably 0:29:19.160 --> 0:29:22.480 one of my favorite songs all time, So I would 0:29:22.560 --> 0:29:25.000 love to sound like that, but I don't hear it. Though, 0:29:25.280 --> 0:29:27.360 not hear it, I mean, and it's not you know, 0:29:27.360 --> 0:29:29.160 the rhyme start. It's not like you're imitating him, and 0:29:29.360 --> 0:29:32.680 it's just the voice like that sound like most YE 0:29:32.800 --> 0:29:35.840 people always say that. Now you can tell that you've 0:29:35.880 --> 0:29:38.840 really been doing the work on yourself mentally too, you 0:29:38.880 --> 0:29:41.880 know what I mean, Like you go to therapy, I do, Okay, 0:29:41.920 --> 0:29:44.080 you go to therapy. U. I started going to therapy 0:29:44.120 --> 0:29:47.600 back at twenty twenty. You know, as unfortunate as that 0:29:47.720 --> 0:29:49.880 pandemic was for a lot of people, you know what 0:29:49.920 --> 0:29:52.240 I'm saying, Like, I definitely don't want to be insensitive 0:29:52.240 --> 0:29:54.720 when I say this, but for me, I needed that shit, 0:29:55.280 --> 0:29:58.520 you know what I mean, Like I didn't know stillness 0:29:58.680 --> 0:30:01.240 in my adult life. Like I hit the ground running 0:30:01.240 --> 0:30:03.760 that seventeen years old. I was still a kid still 0:30:03.800 --> 0:30:07.040 in high school and had to like was forced on 0:30:07.120 --> 0:30:09.840 accelerated growth, you know what I mean, just pushed out there, 0:30:09.920 --> 0:30:13.160 just had to keep it going. And I didn't realize 0:30:13.240 --> 0:30:16.800 for about five six years, I didn't stop. I hadn't stopped. 0:30:16.840 --> 0:30:19.240 I hadn't gotten any type of still time. I hadn't 0:30:19.280 --> 0:30:23.840 like had real time to connect with my family even 0:30:23.880 --> 0:30:26.600 more appointedly myself, you know what I mean. So when 0:30:26.640 --> 0:30:31.800 I finally got that space in that time, it's like 0:30:31.840 --> 0:30:34.720 I just I just went real deep inside, you know 0:30:34.720 --> 0:30:36.440 what I mean, and I realized things that I needed. 0:30:36.480 --> 0:30:38.600 I was like, Okay, I need that, you know what 0:30:38.600 --> 0:30:42.720 I mean, Like I need to be held accountable for 0:30:43.080 --> 0:30:45.680 my shortcomings. I need those to be pointed out to 0:30:45.720 --> 0:30:48.479 me because I'm what you call a self improvement junkie, 0:30:48.880 --> 0:30:51.920 Like I'm committed and devoted to being a better version 0:30:51.920 --> 0:30:54.080 of myself every time I show up, you know what 0:30:54.160 --> 0:30:56.479 I'm saying, Like you could see the evolution in all 0:30:56.520 --> 0:30:59.640 the Breakfast Club interviews. I think this is our third one. Yeah, 0:30:59.720 --> 0:31:02.760 you know what I'm saying. So I pride myself on that. 0:31:02.880 --> 0:31:06.040 You know, so therapy was definitely an outlet that I 0:31:06.080 --> 0:31:10.920 saw too bring me closer to a higher self awareness 0:31:10.960 --> 0:31:13.240 and just state of being. What it induced you to it? 0:31:13.440 --> 0:31:16.120 How did you decide to do it? What that decision? Well, 0:31:16.160 --> 0:31:19.360 you know, I've always been open minded, and I started 0:31:19.360 --> 0:31:24.280 to resonate with the idea that black people tap therapy 0:31:24.320 --> 0:31:26.800 being so tabboo to us. You know what I'm saying, Like, 0:31:28.360 --> 0:31:30.560 what it was is I was introduced to the concept 0:31:30.560 --> 0:31:34.000 of emotional intelligence and that kind of blew my mind. 0:31:34.120 --> 0:31:36.280 That opened so many doors for me because I'm like, wow, 0:31:36.280 --> 0:31:39.320 like we really wasn't taught this how important it is 0:31:39.360 --> 0:31:43.200 to identify your own emotions in relation to the people 0:31:43.240 --> 0:31:45.200 around you. You know what I'm saying, Like, shit, we 0:31:45.280 --> 0:31:47.720 might just wake up in a bad move and you 0:31:47.840 --> 0:31:51.040 wearing that moved and now your household is feeling that 0:31:51.080 --> 0:31:54.479 move and you don't even realize you just passed that 0:31:54.560 --> 0:31:57.320 moved on to your son. Now your son is in 0:31:57.440 --> 0:32:00.560 school with that moved and he passed that on to 0:32:01.160 --> 0:32:04.160 You know what I'm saying, energies. Energy is so contagious 0:32:04.280 --> 0:32:08.160 and once I kind of like realized that it started 0:32:08.200 --> 0:32:12.160 to you know, open little pathways in my brain, like 0:32:12.280 --> 0:32:16.560 them even identifying with frustration as an emotion, you know 0:32:16.560 --> 0:32:17.880 what I'm saying, Like you tell a lot of black 0:32:17.920 --> 0:32:19.640 men if you if you tell a black man you're 0:32:19.680 --> 0:32:24.400 you're being emotional. That's like offensive. But people don't realize that. Yo, 0:32:24.480 --> 0:32:26.760 if you're angry, if we're having a conversation, you're just 0:32:26.800 --> 0:32:29.680 screaming because you're mad. You're in your emotion, you know 0:32:29.720 --> 0:32:32.720 what I'm saying. People get emotion emotionally hijacked every day, 0:32:32.760 --> 0:32:36.720 be every day like blinded by emotion, blinded by rage. 0:32:36.760 --> 0:32:39.280 So I just kind of started on that path for 0:32:39.440 --> 0:32:42.120 understanding myself more. Because I grew up I had like 0:32:42.200 --> 0:32:44.920 anger issues and stuff like that. It was hard to 0:32:44.960 --> 0:32:47.880 me to identify a lot of things that I was feeling. 0:32:47.880 --> 0:32:50.239 Did you figure out where that anger came from? Now? 0:32:50.400 --> 0:32:52.960 I think now that I think about it, looking in 0:32:52.960 --> 0:32:54.760 the hindsight, I think a lot of it came from 0:32:54.760 --> 0:32:57.480 when my parents split, you know what I'm saying, and 0:32:57.720 --> 0:33:01.680 me not knowing how to process that manifesting the something else, 0:33:02.000 --> 0:33:05.240 like me trying to find a reason for elsewhere. You 0:33:05.280 --> 0:33:07.920 know what I mean, I can't. I can't that same 0:33:07.960 --> 0:33:10.120 realization in therapy, Like I didn't realize how much my 0:33:10.240 --> 0:33:14.560 parents divorcing had impacted me and how angry I was 0:33:14.600 --> 0:33:18.160 at my pops for that word up world up. You 0:33:18.160 --> 0:33:20.800 know what I'm saying. So, and that that should do 0:33:20.960 --> 0:33:23.160 something that you especially as a black man, you know 0:33:23.160 --> 0:33:25.080 what I mean, because now you got that separation from 0:33:25.120 --> 0:33:28.440 your father and it's like you need your father or 0:33:28.520 --> 0:33:30.840 as a black man, especially in this fucking world. That's 0:33:30.840 --> 0:33:34.080 why I love that Kendrick record. Uh is it ay 0:33:34.160 --> 0:33:36.640 the time? Man? Because I'm like, Yo, that's how every 0:33:36.640 --> 0:33:40.400 black man feels when it comes to their relationship with 0:33:40.440 --> 0:33:43.479 their dad, Like that's our first hero. That's who we 0:33:43.560 --> 0:33:46.000 really want validation from, and when we don't have that, 0:33:46.040 --> 0:33:48.080 it does make you feel like less of a man. 0:33:48.200 --> 0:33:52.200 And he might implement, you know, ideas of manhood and 0:33:52.320 --> 0:33:55.480 you that aren't really manhood. But it's like a gift 0:33:55.520 --> 0:33:57.320 in the curse because what he's saying on the song too, 0:33:57.320 --> 0:34:00.240 it's like his pops is on something like like fucky 0:34:00.320 --> 0:34:04.040 emotions nigga, like ye ain't nobody don't nobody cared nigga working? 0:34:04.520 --> 0:34:06.000 You know what I'm saying, like, yo, I was just 0:34:06.400 --> 0:34:08.800 my pops just went on a vacation for the first 0:34:08.800 --> 0:34:11.480 time in like thirty years. Wow, you know what I'm saying, 0:34:11.520 --> 0:34:14.759 Like I'm super proud of him, Like to him say that, 0:34:14.920 --> 0:34:17.720 like they say, you can't teach an old dog new tricks, 0:34:17.880 --> 0:34:19.919 you know what I mean. So, like I was, I 0:34:19.960 --> 0:34:24.160 was very excited to hear that, like he something awoken 0:34:24.200 --> 0:34:27.400 in him to like break past his comfort zone. You know, 0:34:27.400 --> 0:34:29.920 because especially with our parents and shit, like, they locked 0:34:30.360 --> 0:34:32.279 into a lot of their mindsets and a lot of 0:34:32.320 --> 0:34:34.680 their thinking and anything like. This new generation is way 0:34:34.680 --> 0:34:37.799 more open minded. It's a lot of new concepts being 0:34:37.840 --> 0:34:40.360 introduced and stuff like that that our parents were seeing. 0:34:40.400 --> 0:34:44.160 You Like what you know, did you ever had that 0:34:44.160 --> 0:34:45.759 conversation with your pop? Because you know, one of the 0:34:45.760 --> 0:34:47.880 best things that helped me was having a conversation with 0:34:47.920 --> 0:34:50.320 my pops and realizing that he was going to therapy 0:34:50.360 --> 0:34:52.040 two or three times a week back in the day 0:34:52.280 --> 0:34:54.160 he tried to kill himself. Back in the day, he 0:34:54.200 --> 0:34:56.239 was gonna tend to twelve different medications. It made me 0:34:56.239 --> 0:34:58.880 give him more great because I realized, damn, he was 0:34:59.000 --> 0:35:01.239 somebody before he was my parents, right, and you know, 0:35:01.280 --> 0:35:03.200 he was just doing the best he could, but what 0:35:03.280 --> 0:35:05.000 he had, Yeah, you know, I have to. I have 0:35:05.120 --> 0:35:07.839 great conversations from my dad all of the time, and 0:35:07.880 --> 0:35:11.160 it's like I have my own interpretations of it because 0:35:11.600 --> 0:35:16.480 I feel like my understanding and his understanding is definitely different, 0:35:16.640 --> 0:35:20.000 and it's like a generational difference. And I came to 0:35:20.280 --> 0:35:24.520 kind of growing accept that because I just for me, 0:35:25.000 --> 0:35:28.680 what fulfills me, what I appreciate. What I'm grateful for 0:35:29.320 --> 0:35:32.000 is that I could hear my old man's wisdom, you 0:35:32.000 --> 0:35:33.719 know what I mean. And it's like it's up to 0:35:33.800 --> 0:35:37.919 me to interpret that however I see fit. But just 0:35:38.239 --> 0:35:42.040 being able to hear that, Like, you know, I might 0:35:42.160 --> 0:35:44.799 feel a little bit more spiritually advanced than my dad, 0:35:45.280 --> 0:35:47.799 but I could never be more experienced than him, you 0:35:47.800 --> 0:35:51.040 know what I'm saying. And Dad alone just make me 0:35:51.080 --> 0:35:53.080 so grateful for any time we connect, you know what 0:35:53.120 --> 0:35:54.520 I'm saying, because I feel like it's a meeting of 0:35:54.560 --> 0:35:56.880 the minds and you can learn from anybody, you know 0:35:56.920 --> 0:35:58.080 what I'm saying. Like I like to say, I'm a 0:35:58.080 --> 0:36:00.719 student in every room. You know, shit, i could be 0:36:00.840 --> 0:36:03.080 the teacher in the room and I'm still student, right 0:36:03.520 --> 0:36:05.160 do you really meditate every day? You say that on 0:36:05.160 --> 0:36:07.239 the album, So you meditate every day? Nah, it's hard 0:36:07.280 --> 0:36:09.640 to meditate every day, like you know, that's more of 0:36:09.680 --> 0:36:13.160 like a manifestation. I would like to meditate every day 0:36:13.400 --> 0:36:15.239 at a point, I was, you know, in the pandemic 0:36:15.640 --> 0:36:17.480 for show. But one thing I try to do is 0:36:17.480 --> 0:36:20.000 pray every day because I feel like it's a form 0:36:20.040 --> 0:36:23.879 of you know, meditation or just a form of being 0:36:23.920 --> 0:36:26.879 able to like program you're thinking in the right way. 0:36:27.000 --> 0:36:28.920 How were you during the pandemic with with everything going on? 0:36:29.000 --> 0:36:30.600 Because you were in New York during a pandemic. I 0:36:30.640 --> 0:36:32.600 was in Jersey years in Jersey. But how were you 0:36:33.440 --> 0:36:36.160 during that time? Man? I was just to myself, bro, 0:36:36.320 --> 0:36:39.319 Like I call it a time of internal retreat, you know, 0:36:39.440 --> 0:36:40.879 like I was. I was doing a lot of things. 0:36:40.920 --> 0:36:44.360 I was practicing celibacy. I was reading a lot of books, 0:36:44.520 --> 0:36:46.760 you know what I'm saying. In six months, I probably 0:36:46.760 --> 0:36:48.560 read like ten or fifteen books. I was like the 0:36:48.600 --> 0:36:53.200 most in one setting, you know, um, watching a lot 0:36:53.200 --> 0:36:58.880 of videos. I started cooking. I was making salads, you know, 0:36:59.400 --> 0:37:02.360 cooking to make it salads. Well, yeah, facts, I was 0:37:02.440 --> 0:37:04.759 making salads. But I learn how to make salmon all 0:37:04.760 --> 0:37:07.840 of that. You know, my ship was slapping too. What 0:37:07.960 --> 0:37:09.520 did you see about it? Because I always say, you know, 0:37:09.560 --> 0:37:11.359 the pandemic, like you said earlier, made all of us 0:37:11.400 --> 0:37:13.120 be still for the first time. A lot of us 0:37:13.120 --> 0:37:14.879 had to like really be still for the first time 0:37:14.880 --> 0:37:17.919 and deal with ourselves. Couldn't run from our traumas or nothing. 0:37:18.000 --> 0:37:20.040 What did you see that made you be like, oh no, 0:37:20.160 --> 0:37:23.240 I gotta go do some work on myself. I saw. 0:37:24.880 --> 0:37:28.200 I felt like I saw how much I was settling 0:37:28.280 --> 0:37:30.719 for the short end of the stick. Like you know, 0:37:30.760 --> 0:37:33.719 I spent a lot of the like the first half 0:37:33.760 --> 0:37:38.120 of my career really focused and obliged to taking care 0:37:38.120 --> 0:37:41.160 of other people, and in that I put a lot 0:37:41.200 --> 0:37:44.239 of people before myself. So when the pandemic, it kind 0:37:44.239 --> 0:37:46.320 of put things a perspective to me. It's like, damn, 0:37:47.480 --> 0:37:49.160 I got I did this one for that one, that 0:37:49.360 --> 0:37:51.480 one for this one. But what the fuck do I 0:37:51.480 --> 0:37:54.960 have to show for myself? What have I done for myself? 0:37:55.920 --> 0:37:58.240 And then that ship was a whole reset because then 0:37:58.280 --> 0:38:01.960 I came out the pandemic damn selfish, but in the 0:38:02.000 --> 0:38:05.480 best way possible, because I've never been that person, you know, 0:38:05.560 --> 0:38:08.239 like the shit is evident too, Like, I'm glad you 0:38:08.280 --> 0:38:10.160 noticed that. You said, Yo, you look healthy, Like this 0:38:10.200 --> 0:38:12.200 is what I look like when I'm focused on myself. 0:38:12.760 --> 0:38:14.200 This is what I look like when I take that 0:38:14.320 --> 0:38:17.239 time to you know, take care of myself, like to 0:38:17.360 --> 0:38:19.600 love myself. This is what it looked like, you know, 0:38:19.680 --> 0:38:23.040 like before that it was it wasn't too much love 0:38:23.160 --> 0:38:27.359 for self. Did the pandemic finally give you the opportunity 0:38:27.400 --> 0:38:31.239 to grieve? Steve's the right way. Um, it definitely gave 0:38:31.280 --> 0:38:35.480 me opportunities. But um, I would say my grieving has 0:38:37.560 --> 0:38:42.520 probably like finally, I don't I don't know this this 0:38:42.600 --> 0:38:45.200 this grieving, is it a complete process? Does it get 0:38:45.280 --> 0:38:46.680 I don't know if it's a complete process. But I 0:38:46.719 --> 0:38:48.560 was gonna say, when I listened to Survivor's Guilt, I 0:38:48.600 --> 0:38:52.799 feel like you have finally started processing Yes, you know 0:38:53.520 --> 0:38:56.800 his death. Yeah, and that's why I was getting that, 0:38:56.960 --> 0:38:59.560 Like this is the first year where I definitely feel 0:39:01.280 --> 0:39:05.080 somewhat like a little bit of peace, you know what 0:39:05.120 --> 0:39:08.200 I mean. It's ten years later, it's like I'm finally 0:39:08.320 --> 0:39:11.880 feeling that sense of peace. But just with Stesus, you know, 0:39:11.960 --> 0:39:18.120 I still I'm still majorly grieving my cousin junior there. Yeah, 0:39:18.120 --> 0:39:20.920 because it was just a whole different situation. You know, 0:39:21.520 --> 0:39:25.640 how did how did you how are you processing it? Like? 0:39:25.719 --> 0:39:27.520 You know, did it make you look at because I 0:39:27.560 --> 0:39:30.200 had a friend committed suicide in twenty twenty and when 0:39:30.400 --> 0:39:35.600 she did that, it made me look at suicide differently. Well, listen, man, 0:39:36.400 --> 0:39:39.120 it definitely brought me to a very dark place. And 0:39:39.280 --> 0:39:42.680 you know me, I'm very intuitive. So something inside me 0:39:42.760 --> 0:39:46.239 told me because I remember coming from the funeral for 0:39:46.400 --> 0:39:48.400 me and CJ was on the way back to the 0:39:48.480 --> 0:39:52.840 crib and I remember telling him like, yo, bro, we 0:39:52.960 --> 0:39:58.160 gotta be strong for everybody else, you know, because it's 0:39:58.280 --> 0:40:01.120 easy to fall right now, you know, it's easy to 0:40:01.120 --> 0:40:05.000 get pulled into that low energy. And I got pulled 0:40:05.000 --> 0:40:07.840 into that ship. Even after saying it, even after having 0:40:07.840 --> 0:40:10.879 that a witness and that understanding that I couldn't go there, 0:40:10.960 --> 0:40:13.560 I still got sucked into that, you know what I mean. 0:40:13.960 --> 0:40:15.960 It brought me at a very low, low place. I 0:40:16.000 --> 0:40:19.800 was depressed, like I felt so many ways. I'm like, damn, 0:40:19.880 --> 0:40:23.759 like seventeen years old, Like I know, so many people 0:40:23.760 --> 0:40:25.600 were so much older than me and they've never lost 0:40:25.600 --> 0:40:27.719 somebody this close to them, you know what I mean. 0:40:27.840 --> 0:40:31.120 It was just it was a lot of unsettling emotions 0:40:31.120 --> 0:40:33.600 and feelings and at the same time, dealing with fame 0:40:34.280 --> 0:40:36.399 for the first time, dealing with you know what I'm saying, 0:40:36.760 --> 0:40:39.440 Like the ills of that. It was bugged. That's a 0:40:39.520 --> 0:40:41.239 natural though. I'm sure your therapist told you that you 0:40:41.239 --> 0:40:44.880 gotta lights up to feel your feels like yeah, and 0:40:44.880 --> 0:40:47.960 that's what I realized too, Like for like I was, 0:40:49.480 --> 0:40:51.680 first of all, I'm grateful for the fact that I 0:40:51.719 --> 0:40:53.600 was able to put a lot of my trauma off 0:40:53.640 --> 0:40:55.920 because I was so busy, because I don't know what 0:40:55.960 --> 0:40:58.759 I would have did with that idle time, you know 0:40:58.760 --> 0:41:00.600 what I mean. Like I was hottied, pressed, like I 0:41:00.640 --> 0:41:03.239 felt suicidal all of that, you know what I mean. 0:41:03.320 --> 0:41:06.759 Like I was very convinced that I wasn't gonna live 0:41:06.760 --> 0:41:09.839 past twenty five, Like at seventeen eighteen, I was very 0:41:09.880 --> 0:41:12.040 convinced to that. I'm like, there's no way, Like I 0:41:12.040 --> 0:41:14.399 didn't see life after twenty five. Even when I turned 0:41:14.440 --> 0:41:16.640 twenty five. I was a mind fuck for me because 0:41:16.680 --> 0:41:19.320 I'm like, damn, like it really hit me home. I'm like, 0:41:19.360 --> 0:41:21.879 I did not realize life. I did not visualize life 0:41:21.880 --> 0:41:24.239 this far. Wow, And then right there I drew up 0:41:24.239 --> 0:41:27.960 a twenty year plan. Did you look at suicide differently 0:41:28.000 --> 0:41:30.560 because a lot of people, especially in New York, it's 0:41:30.560 --> 0:41:32.399 probably all over wheld, but especially in New York when 0:41:32.680 --> 0:41:34.440 growing up as a kid, when you think of suicide, 0:41:34.440 --> 0:41:36.600 the first thing that people think is your soul for 0:41:36.680 --> 0:41:39.040 your week. But then when you start having those emotions 0:41:39.040 --> 0:41:43.360 in that feeling, you realize far from that. First of all, 0:41:43.680 --> 0:41:46.799 like it's weird to say this, but like I think 0:41:46.840 --> 0:41:52.640 suicide is an incredibly brave thing. You have to have 0:41:53.120 --> 0:41:58.560 a lot of fucking like audacity to do that to yourself, 0:41:58.600 --> 0:42:00.160 you know what I'm saying. And then it's like who 0:42:00.320 --> 0:42:03.399 withstand that pain or whichever way? Like you know, like 0:42:04.560 --> 0:42:09.759 it's heavy, it's heavy, but it's like that shit, there's 0:42:09.760 --> 0:42:12.520 nothing soft about that, nothing at all. It ain't nothing 0:42:12.560 --> 0:42:14.360 soft about that, you know what I'm saying. Like I 0:42:14.560 --> 0:42:16.839 remember when I was at that point, I'm feeling low, 0:42:17.200 --> 0:42:20.359 and like as low as I was feeling and as 0:42:20.400 --> 0:42:22.799 convinced I was that like I didn't really want to live, 0:42:23.280 --> 0:42:27.719 I couldn't find that courage to actually do it, you 0:42:27.719 --> 0:42:29.440 know what I'm saying. Like I just couldn't find that, 0:42:29.560 --> 0:42:32.319 Like it's it's a lot my home girl, Jazz rest 0:42:32.360 --> 0:42:35.000 in peace. She did it in twenty twenty, completed suicide. 0:42:35.000 --> 0:42:37.680 That's what they say to say shanty dass. But Jazz 0:42:37.680 --> 0:42:41.319 said she was so intentional and so calculated and so 0:42:41.480 --> 0:42:44.320 strategic that when she did it, in my mind, I 0:42:44.680 --> 0:42:47.400 processed it like she just knew it was her time 0:42:47.400 --> 0:42:49.920 to go, Like I, you know, I've never had that 0:42:50.000 --> 0:42:52.360 feeling like it's time for me to exit, you know. 0:42:52.360 --> 0:42:53.640 But even if you go look at her Twitter, she 0:42:53.719 --> 0:42:55.239 was saying things like I wonder what my next life 0:42:55.320 --> 0:42:57.840 is gonna be like and things like that. So something 0:42:57.880 --> 0:43:00.200 came over her when she knew today is my day. 0:43:00.360 --> 0:43:02.800 You know, Steve, it was the same way with Steve's 0:43:02.880 --> 0:43:06.480 you know what I'm saying, Like he definitely was vocal 0:43:06.560 --> 0:43:09.239 about it leading up to it happening, you know what 0:43:09.280 --> 0:43:12.719 I'm saying, and like when it was just it was weird. Man. 0:43:12.840 --> 0:43:17.000 It's so now that the deported buying that new portion 0:43:17.080 --> 0:43:20.600 nine eleven, did it really help your mental health? That? Yeah, 0:43:20.640 --> 0:43:22.680 a little bit, you know what I'm saying, Because sometimes 0:43:22.760 --> 0:43:27.680 you gotta show yourself like what you can like achieved 0:43:27.840 --> 0:43:30.400 like it with it being a superficial item and a 0:43:30.480 --> 0:43:34.200 material thing. To me, it was more represented like me 0:43:34.320 --> 0:43:37.880 having a goal, you know, and me proving myself once again, 0:43:38.040 --> 0:43:41.120 like anything that's possible, Like that was my dream car 0:43:41.360 --> 0:43:43.600 and I could have got it for a long time, 0:43:43.640 --> 0:43:45.719 but then one day I just decided, y'all gonna do it. 0:43:46.040 --> 0:43:48.120 And I remember ship like waking up the next morning 0:43:48.120 --> 0:43:50.279 and seeing it in my garage. I'm like, damn, like 0:43:50.640 --> 0:43:54.120 and yeah, it really did something for my state of being, 0:43:54.239 --> 0:43:55.960 my state of mind, you know what I'm saying, Like 0:43:56.000 --> 0:43:58.399 I had to prove to myself, like I know, all 0:43:58.400 --> 0:44:00.239 I gotta do is be connected to the soul, but 0:44:01.360 --> 0:44:05.920 now I need to poor. Now. What I love about you, 0:44:06.040 --> 0:44:08.480 Joey Man, is like when when when when you see 0:44:08.480 --> 0:44:11.200 a black man doing the work, it does reflecting his life, 0:44:11.200 --> 0:44:14.520 It reflecting the way he looks and reflecting his career professionally. 0:44:14.840 --> 0:44:17.080 This is probably your best body of work album way 0:44:17.600 --> 0:44:20.200 you see what you're doing in Hollywood. So that's why, man, 0:44:20.200 --> 0:44:21.719 when I see you, when I see that and I 0:44:21.760 --> 0:44:24.000 hear you telling these stories about going to therapy and everything, 0:44:24.040 --> 0:44:26.239 I'm like, that's gonna convince So many more black men 0:44:26.280 --> 0:44:28.680 to go go do the work. Absolutely. Man. It's like, 0:44:28.719 --> 0:44:31.439 you know, I always probably myself on being some type 0:44:31.440 --> 0:44:34.160 of role model because it's like with this position I got, 0:44:34.239 --> 0:44:36.680 with this stature, with this platform, It's like I got 0:44:36.719 --> 0:44:39.200 so many people listening, and I feel like the least 0:44:39.239 --> 0:44:43.680 I could do is implant seeds that will sprout, like, 0:44:43.719 --> 0:44:46.400 you know, more opportunity for these people, or just you know, 0:44:46.520 --> 0:44:51.040 wisdom that will transcend you into the right directions for 0:44:51.120 --> 0:44:53.560 these people and stuff like that, and also just making 0:44:53.600 --> 0:44:56.279 them not feel alone. Like I realized that, like my 0:44:56.320 --> 0:44:59.440 most relatable work is my most vulnerable work. And usually 0:44:59.440 --> 0:45:02.200 when I go to like a survivors guilt or show Me, 0:45:02.320 --> 0:45:05.080 people relate to that ship more. You know what I'm saying, 0:45:05.120 --> 0:45:07.719 Because Yeah, let's get into a joint off the album 0:45:07.760 --> 0:45:10.200 what you want to hear bro on, Let's head Where 0:45:10.200 --> 0:45:13.920 I Belong, Where I Belong. We appreciate you for Joey 0:45:13.960 --> 0:45:17.400 Badass Man, keep growing my brother, Joey Badass. It's the 0:45:17.440 --> 0:45:18.439 Breakfast Club. Good morning,