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Speaker 1: Hi again everybody.

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Speaker 2: I'm Dan Horde and thanks for downloading the Bengals Booth Podcast.

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Speaker 2: The I'm going back to Indiana. Addition, as we head

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Speaker 2: to the NFL Scouting Combine in Indianapolis. Coming up, you'll

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Speaker 2: hear from Greg Cosel from NFL Films, Notre Dame Safety,

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Speaker 2: Xavier Watts, a possible Bengals target, and NFL Network draft

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Speaker 2: give it a shot. Hopefully your luck will be even

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Speaker 2: better than ours. Now, let's get to my first guest.

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Speaker 2: It's NFL Combine Week in Indianapolis, giving me the opportunity

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Speaker 2: to talk to some of my favorite NFL analysts and

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Speaker 2: draft gurus, as well as some of the players that

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Speaker 2: the Bengals might be.

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Speaker 1: Targeting in this year's draft.

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Speaker 2: First, a favorite guest on this podcast who is uniquely

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Speaker 2: capable of discussing the state of the Bengals as well

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Speaker 2: as some of the draft prospects who could eventually wind

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Speaker 2: up in Orange and black. One of my favorite things

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Speaker 2: about coming to the Combine every year is the opportunity

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Speaker 2: to visit with a great Greg co cell. Duke Tobin

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Speaker 2: held a news conference on Tuesday where he referred to

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Speaker 2: the Bengals as quote, a championship caliber team, despite the

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Speaker 2: fact that the Bengals have missed the playoffs the last

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Speaker 2: couple of years. Do you agree with Duke Tobin?

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Speaker 3: Well, I think the reason you say that is because

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Speaker 3: they have one of the three or four best quarterbacks

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Speaker 3: corps that is high level. They've got Jamar Chase, who's,

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Speaker 3: depending on one's point of view, we are the first

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Speaker 3: or second best receiver in football. So I think that

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Speaker 3: that's kind of where it starts. And Burrow is so

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Speaker 3: so good. The guy plays the position like a computer

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Speaker 3: chip that you know, you just you watch him and

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Speaker 3: you just feel like, God, this team's a really good team.

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Speaker 3: But you know, as you know, Dan, I think there's

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Speaker 4: In my view, don't put them in the category.

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Speaker 3: As we sit here, you know, late in February, as

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Speaker 3: they're a championship team.

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Speaker 4: I think there's too many questions right now.

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Speaker 2: They've missed the playoffs because their defense wasn't good enough.

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Speaker 2: They were one of the top scoring teams in the league.

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Speaker 2: You assume that will continue to be the case as

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Speaker 2: long as Joe Burrow is in Cincinnati and healthy. What

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Speaker 2: stood out to you about their deficiencies on defense when

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Speaker 4: I think there's a number of them.

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Speaker 3: I mean I think that, you know, I love Trey Hendrickson,

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Speaker 3: he's grossly underpaid. We'll see how all that plays out.

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Speaker 3: But he's a really good pass rusher. He lived the

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Speaker 3: other thing that I think two other things I thought

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Speaker 3: In previous years, I thought that Wilson and Pratt were

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Speaker 4: We know that, we don't have to guess that because they.

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Speaker 3: Ben Taylor Bread two or three times, So that told

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Speaker 3: corner traits and he played really well until he got hurt.

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Speaker 3: So that's a question. Now does he stay on the outside.

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Speaker 3: With Mike Hilton being a free agent, do they move

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Speaker 3: they try to figure that out? You know, these are

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Speaker 4: They have to figure out too.

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Speaker 3: That's what the OTAs and the mini camps and training

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Speaker 3: in free agency, they'll probably some other players in the mix.

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Speaker 1: We're visiting with Greg Cosell.

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Speaker 2: You put together awesome draft scouting reports on these guys.

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Speaker 2: I know you've been grinding the tape. From the draft

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Speaker 2: gurus that I've talked to here in Indianapolis, there seems

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Speaker 2: to be a consensus that it's a good year to

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Speaker 2: draft a defensive lineman. The Bengals have a need. Okay,

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Speaker 2: so let's start there. Defensive tackle is an area where

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Speaker 2: the Bengals can find somebody.

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Speaker 3: And it's funny you say that because look, they drafted

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Speaker 4: The Eagles did.

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Speaker 3: I mean, we know Jalen Carter is, he's a great player,

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Speaker 3: but Milton Williams opposite Jalen Carter, he got a lot of.

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Speaker 4: One on ones and he won them.

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Speaker 3: See it's easy to say, oh, well, you know Jalen

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Speaker 3: he could get twenty one to twenty two million dollars

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Speaker 3: saying the Bengals are going to look to him. Who knows,

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Speaker 3: but he can rush the quarterback. But this is a

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Speaker 3: really good detackle draft. They come in all shapes and sizes,

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Speaker 3: But I think that they need to find a guy

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Speaker 2: From the guys you've studied who fits that description Among

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Speaker 2: the defensive tackles.

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Speaker 3: way I think about you and how I do this. Obviously,

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Speaker 3: you have to look at a player's traits and attributes

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Speaker 3: when you evaluate a college player, But then I think

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Speaker 4: What we're doing.

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Speaker 3: Then we're trying to project and transition guys to play

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Speaker 3: at the next level, not how they play on Saturday,

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Speaker 3: how they play on Sunday. And I really can't find

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Speaker 3: have a strong power element to their game. And Mason

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Speaker 3: Graham is a fun, fun watch. Okay, he's a lot

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Speaker 3: to his game. So again, that doesn't mean in three

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Speaker 3: And I hear he's a great kid, and you know,

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Speaker 3: but Nolan right now, I mean he has shades of

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Speaker 3: a little more athletic, which is why you wouldn't think

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Speaker 3: is grinding through watching players. But they come in all

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Speaker 3: had someone I respect greatly who's done this for years

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Speaker 3: twenty defensive tackles won in the first three rounds.

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Speaker 4: So it's a big d tackle draft.

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Speaker 2: The Bengals have the seventeenth pick. My suspicion is if

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Speaker 2: they had a defensive tackle that they felt was worthy

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Speaker 2: of that selection, that would probably be their inclination. But

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Speaker 2: they need pass rushers too. As you mentioned, how is

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Speaker 2: that in this draft?

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Speaker 3: It's pretty good and I have a feeling, Look, this

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Speaker 3: is an odd draft because it's not a quarterback draft

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Speaker 4: Wide receiver draft.

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Speaker 3: So what I've spoken to people who tell me in

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Speaker 3: a normal year there's fifteen to eighteen players with first

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Speaker 4: This year I'm hearing there's ten. But the point is

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Speaker 4: you have to draft.

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Speaker 3: You know, there's thirty two teams that have to draft

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Speaker 3: you know, there are players like Nick Gourton from A

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Speaker 4: And his arms are like thirty.

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Speaker 3: Five and a half, and you know that means something

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Speaker 2: It's not a wide receiver draft, as you mentioned. Is

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Speaker 3: I think there's four that are really to me high,

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Speaker 3: And then you have Mason Taylor from LSU, who's Jason

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Speaker 3: And I saw him speaking today. He looks the part too.

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Speaker 4: Fifteen guys they're going to play in the league.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if they're quote unquote number one tight ends,

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Speaker 2: The Bengals drafted Eric All last year out of Iowa.

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Speaker 2: He was tremendous. Unfortunately he re injured his knee. It's

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he was the Michigan, Iowa kid who's kind of

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Speaker 2: We're visiting with Greg Cosell. I want to circle back

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Speaker 2: to Trey Hendrickson. As you mentioned, he did lead the

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Speaker 2: Is he strictly one of the best pass rushers in

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Speaker 3: I mean I would lean toward the latter part there.

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Speaker 3: I mean, is he the best run defender we've seen? No,

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Speaker 3: But he's a really good pass you know. And it's

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Speaker 3: funny I spoke about power with d tackles, it's true

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Speaker 3: Mannywether does a great job and he brings in prison

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Speaker 3: I had an unbelievably great conversation two years ago with

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Speaker 4: Knows a little more about playing offensive line than I do.

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Speaker 4: And he said to me, it's all about power.

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Speaker 3: He said, all these guys that want to dance and

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Speaker 4: He says, I'm there. If they want to dance, more

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Speaker 3: And I think what is so impressive about Hendrickson bringing

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Speaker 3: end of the day, if you don't have a power

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Speaker 4: To be concident.

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Speaker 3: I mean, you're dealing with the guy that's, you know,

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Speaker 1: And one thing he does not do is dance.

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Speaker 4: No, he does not do that. He does not do that.

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Speaker 2: The Bengals new defensive coordinator, he's been at Notre Dame

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Speaker 3: You know, it's funny you just mentioned Al Golden because

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Speaker 3: Riley Mills, and obviously Al Golden knows him really well.

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Speaker 3: I really like that kid's tape. He's probably six six,

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Speaker 3: two ninety. He's got pass rush traits. I mean he's not,

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Speaker 3: you know, going to be the best interior pass rusher

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Speaker 4: I forget what his injury is, so I don't know

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Speaker 3: To be ready to play, you know, early, but it's

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Speaker 4: My guess is you could get.

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Speaker 3: So just when you mentioned Golden, he knows him really

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Speaker 1: For So Jordan Battle is a lock. This will be

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Speaker 4: Season him as a starting safety.

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Speaker 2: Yes, really came on last year toward the end of

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Speaker 3: and he's worthy of a top sixty pick in the draft.

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Speaker 3: And you know, so obviously I'm not saying they're going

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Speaker 3: and that's the kind of you know, look, I don't

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Speaker 3: Obviously, college and the NFL are totally different animals, and

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Speaker 3: But I mean, you're seeing a lot more split safety looks.

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Speaker 3: You're seeing safeties that have to be far more multi dimensional.

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Speaker 3: It's hard to live in this world now where a

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Speaker 4: So you know, I don't know, I don't know what

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Speaker 3: I don't know how Al's going to see it, but

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Speaker 3: you know, Xavier Watts is a really intriguing player as well.

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Speaker 3: Now post safety. See see right now. This is just

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Speaker 4: And they're not really that interchangeable.

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Speaker 3: And I think in today's NFL, I don't know if

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Speaker 2: Every week, I peppered Xavier Watts with a bunch of

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Speaker 2: He would be a natural the Bengals second round pick

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Safeties are just in a sense one dimensional, and how

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Speaker 3: And and I'm not sure he's a back end player,

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Speaker 4: So we'll see how they view that.

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Speaker 3: It's a pretty there's gonna be some interesting safeties in

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Speaker 3: you know, We just don't know what Al's going to

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Speaker 3: You know what guys do. They start by evaluating their

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Speaker 3: So I'm sure he's done all that already, but I

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Speaker 2: I'm pinballing around with Greg Cosel. I want to get

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Speaker 2: What do you think of Chase Brown and the element

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Speaker 2: that he has added to Cincinnati's offense.

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Speaker 3: I like Chase Brown, and I think, you know, it's funny.

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Speaker 3: Every team is different and every situation is different. The

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Speaker 3: way the Bengals run offense, given that they have one

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Speaker 3: of the best quarterbacks in the game is and he

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Speaker 3: did have many games where he had twenty plus carries,

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Speaker 3: But they don't need a foundation back in the way

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Speaker 3: that let's say Derek Henry's a foundation back or sae

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Speaker 3: Quon Barkley is a foundation back.

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Speaker 4: Yes.

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Speaker 3: Are there games where it plays out where he's going

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Speaker 3: to get twenty four carries? Yes, But the goal I imagine

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Speaker 3: for their offenses not oh, we better get Chase Brown

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Speaker 3: twenty four carries. But he's capable of that. I think

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Speaker 3: he fits really well within their offense. I like him

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Speaker 3: a lot in the context of that offense. He's a

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Speaker 3: better receiver than people might have thought. So Yeah, I

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Speaker 3: think he's works fine. I don't think there's an issue

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Speaker 3: with running back at all.

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Speaker 2: As you study quarterbacks going into the draft, has Joe

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Speaker 2: Burrow become your measuring stick for processing?

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Speaker 3: Joe Burrow is in many ways my measuring stick for

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Speaker 3: what you have to be as a pocket quarterback. We

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Speaker 3: know he can move, and obviously he moves better than

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Speaker 3: anybody thought when he came out, and we know, you know,

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Speaker 3: very often he's had to move because the old line

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Speaker 3: hasn't been very good and he's shown tremendous ability. But

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Speaker 3: would the the way the NFL game has evolved, and

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Speaker 3: particularly the way defenses have evolved, it's very hard, in

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Speaker 3: my view anyway, to be a pure pocket quarterback unless

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Speaker 3: you can play it at a really, really high level.

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Speaker 3: Pre snap and post snap and post snap. There's ten

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Speaker 3: variables that go with the post snap part, and Burrow

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Speaker 3: can do all that at the highest level. But it's

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Speaker 3: hard to play the position like that. I mean, I

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Speaker 3: think c. J. Stroud at is a guy that has

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Speaker 3: shown he's capable of that. He had some ups and

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Speaker 3: downs this year as he's continuing to learn how to

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Speaker 3: play in the league. But it's really hard to just be,

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Speaker 3: in his sense, a pocket quarterback in today's NFL unless.

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Speaker 4: You are somewhat of a computer chip. And Burrow is.

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Speaker 3: And I've had this conversation obviously for the last two

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Speaker 3: days here at the combine regarding shudor Sanders. Obviously who

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Speaker 3: the Bengals, I'm not, they don't care about that, but

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Speaker 3: but you know, Burrow is the measuring stick for that

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Speaker 3: kind of court. I mean, he's just and he makes

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Speaker 3: it he makes it look easy. I mean, that's the

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Speaker 3: thing that is amazing. And guys will tell you that

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Speaker 3: that could be the highest guy. I remember talking years

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Speaker 3: and years ago to Steve Young, who I've gotten to

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Speaker 3: know very well over the years, and I mentioned to him,

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Speaker 3: you know, sometimes you just make it.

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Speaker 4: Look like it's easy.

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Speaker 3: He said, That's the best compliment you could ever given me,

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Speaker 3: because it's so.

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Speaker 4: Hard, you know.

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Speaker 3: I mean, and Burrow sometimes when he just drops back

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Speaker 3: and throw that, it looks like he's just out in

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Speaker 3: the park, like playing with kids, you know, but he's

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Speaker 3: you know, there's not going to.

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Speaker 4: Be twenty Joe Burrows that you know that.

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Speaker 3: And and that's why I always am loathed to compare

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Speaker 3: guys to you know, great great players. Sometimes you can

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Speaker 3: make a stylistic comparison, you know, but a true comparison,

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Speaker 3: like I've heard people say Shadorth Sanders, well he's like

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Speaker 3: Joe Burrow, but he's not.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I know what they mean, but he's not.

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Speaker 1: They're both right handed, right exactly.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, they both play quarterback.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, you know.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, Burrow is is is a really fun watch

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Speaker 3: for me. I mean, I've evolved tremendously in my the

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Speaker 3: way I evaluate quarterbacks because the game forces you to evolve,

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Speaker 3: and you like, I like to think I can do that.

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Speaker 3: But when I watch Burrow play, you know, and he

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Speaker 3: had some games this year, I mean it just was

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Speaker 3: they were ridiculous.

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Speaker 4: Obviously he had to put up you know, what do you.

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Speaker 3: Have four or five games this year, or they scored

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Speaker 3: more than thirty three and they lost. You know, I mean,

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Speaker 3: you know, but he just it's he's a joy for

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Speaker 3: me to watch.

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Speaker 1: You're so right about how hard it is.

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Speaker 2: I have a little more leeway when I attend University

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Speaker 2: of Cincinnati practices for where I can stand as opposed

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Speaker 2: to a Bengals practice, So sometimes I'll stand right behind

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Speaker 2: the offensive line.

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Speaker 1: And honestly, other than a screen.

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Speaker 2: Pass, I don't know how they do it with all

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Speaker 2: of the traffic, the rush.

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Speaker 1: It's incredible what quarterbacks are able to do.

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Speaker 3: I'm blown away by it. And I'm even blown away

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Speaker 3: by the guys who are shorter. We've kind of accepted

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Speaker 3: in the league now that you can play if you're

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Speaker 3: six feet six y one, although it's harder. And you know,

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Speaker 3: the thing about Burrow, you and I were talking about

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Speaker 3: this yesterday. Burrow, he doesn't necessarily look like a big

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Speaker 3: guy on tape, Like you don't look at barn and

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Speaker 3: Goo man, he's a big guy.

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Speaker 4: Some you know, Josh Allen, Hey, there's a big guy,

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Speaker 4: you know. But Burrow is a big guy. You know,

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Speaker 4: he's not short. He's a big guy.

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Speaker 3: And but you're right, I don't know how they how

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Speaker 3: they do this, and particularly how fast they do it,

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Speaker 3: you know. And one of the things, and I've had

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Speaker 3: this conversation as well, but this is something I've thought

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Speaker 3: about on my own, just watching college and going to

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Speaker 3: some you know, certain kind of events over the years.

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Speaker 3: A lot of quarterbacks now, most quarterbacks, the way they're

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Speaker 3: brought up, beginning when they're ten, eleven, twelve years old,

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Speaker 3: everything is pure progression. They really know very little about defenses,

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Speaker 3: and you know, it's just harder to play that way.

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Speaker 3: I mean Kurt Warner, who I know, well, he just

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Speaker 3: is blown away by the fact that how can you

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Speaker 3: not know about defense and play quarterback in the NFL,

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Speaker 3: you know. And I'm in that school of thought. Obviously

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Speaker 3: I've never dropped back, you know, but you know, you

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Speaker 3: kind of have to know that stuff.

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Speaker 2: Final thing for Greg Cosell, and I really appreciate your time.

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Speaker 2: This is always a highlight in Indianapolis for me. The

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Speaker 2: Bengals won their last five games last year to finish

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Speaker 2: a game over five hundred. They needed some help on

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Speaker 2: the final day of the season to make the playoffs.

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Speaker 2: They didn't get it, as Denver beat Kansas City had

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Speaker 2: they snuck in. Were you of the mind that they

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Speaker 2: were going to be a real threat in the postseason?

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Speaker 3: Well, they're going to score, so yes, The question is

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Speaker 3: is you know where they're going to have to win?

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Speaker 4: Thirty eight thirty five? That was going to be the question.

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Speaker 3: And those kinds of games are hard, as you know,

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Speaker 3: they're hard to play every week.

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Speaker 4: I mean we just said that, you know, you know

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Speaker 4: better than I.

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Speaker 3: But I think it was four or five games where

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Speaker 3: they lost by scoring over thirty three. So that becomes

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Speaker 3: the question is that you know, can you win in

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Speaker 3: the playoffs meaningfully? Thirty eight thirty five? History says normally no.

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Speaker 3: But their offense is certainly fun to watch. And I'm

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Speaker 3: not sure any defensive coordinator you know will tell you

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Speaker 3: that they love to play against Burrow, you know, but

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Speaker 3: because he's just he's so good. So I don't know,

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Speaker 3: that's a hard question to answer. But they're they're one

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Speaker 3: of my most fun offenses to watch.

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Speaker 2: They're fun to broadcast, I can tell you that. And

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Speaker 2: this is always so much fun for me. Or really

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Speaker 2: appreciate your time. Look forward to a singing again sometime soon.

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Speaker 4: Thanks, Dan, appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: I don't think.

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Speaker 2: There's anybody I enjoy talking football with more than Greg Cosell.

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Speaker 2: One of this year's draft prospects that came up in

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Speaker 2: our conversation was Notre Dame safety Xavier Watts. The twenty

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Speaker 2: three year old who spent five years with a fighting

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Speaker 2: Irish won the Nagirsky Award as the best defensive player

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Speaker 2: in the country two years ago and was a consensus

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Speaker 2: All American this season. So how important was he to

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Speaker 2: l Golden's great defenses at Notre Dame?

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Speaker 5: Very very important. He was an integral part of it.

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Speaker 5: And obviously there's there's a comfort level when you're a

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Speaker 5: play caller and you know that someone has the same heartbeat,

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Speaker 5: someone understands exactly what you're looking for. So I'm excited

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Speaker 5: for him and the opportunity that he has, you know,

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Speaker 5: here moving forward.

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Speaker 2: Watts spoke to reporters on Thursday and was asked about

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Speaker 2: his relationship with the bengals new defensive coordinator.

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Speaker 6: He's a very, very caring coach. So I mean, when

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Speaker 6: guys get that type of care from a coach and

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Speaker 6: when they put it in that much effort, you want

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Speaker 6: to go out there and play for them.

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Speaker 2: Watt certainly made plays for the Fighting Irish, intercepting thirteen

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Speaker 2: passes over the last two years.

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Speaker 6: To win the football game, you got to get the ball.

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Speaker 6: I feel like coach Golden has done a great job

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Speaker 6: of instilling that as me and as a team another name.

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Speaker 6: So obviously when I'm out there, I'm always trying to

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Speaker 6: get the ball.

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Speaker 2: But interceptions is not at the top of the list

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Speaker 2: of what Coach Golden is looking for in his safeties.

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Speaker 5: Be Able to command your team, I think that's really important.

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Speaker 5: You've got to be audible and demonstrative. You got to

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Speaker 5: defend the deep ball really well, whether that's third half, quarter,

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Speaker 5: whatever that case may be. And you've got to be

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Speaker 5: a great tackle, especially in the alley. So there's more

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Speaker 5: than that, but that's a good start, you know, if

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Speaker 5: you could start there with those three. But anytime you

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Speaker 5: want to have a great defense, you have to be

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Speaker 5: great up the middle. From a communications standpoint standpoint, there's

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Speaker 5: so much that makes up today's offenses. You know, the

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Speaker 5: pre snap motions, the empty the empty quads, the jet motions,

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Speaker 5: all of those things. And if you're not demonstrative, if

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Speaker 5: you're not confident, and it's our job to get that

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Speaker 5: from our guys.

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Speaker 2: Most of the mock drafts I've looked at have Watts

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Speaker 2: going in the second round, and Pro Football Focus calls

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Speaker 2: him the ideal fit for Cincinnati. I asked Xavier if

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Speaker 2: he's heard the scuttle but about a possible reunion with

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Speaker 2: his college coach in Cincinnati.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, I've definitely seen some of the stuff.

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Speaker 6: I try to stay away from it, but it's hard.

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Speaker 6: While I'm always on my phone for the most part,

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Speaker 6: and I'm getting taggs and mentioned in certain stuff. So

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Speaker 6: I mean, I don't know how that stuff works or

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Speaker 6: what's gonna happen. By the end the day, I'm just

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Speaker 6: do what I need to do and then we'll see

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Speaker 6: what happens in the future.

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Speaker 2: What said He did not have a formal interview scheduled

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Speaker 2: with the Bengals at the Combine. But when you think

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Speaker 2: about it, considering how well Al Golden already knows him,

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Speaker 2: Lance zer Line Lance. The Bengals need defensive line help.

656
00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:36,880
Speaker 2: How would you describe this draft for defensive linemen?

657
00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:39,280
Speaker 7: Couldn't be better? Awesome, very deep.

658
00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:43,200
Speaker 8: You'll be able to find starters day one, day two,

659
00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:45,280
Speaker 8: and into day three, especially if you're looking for a

660
00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:47,880
Speaker 8: defensive tackle. So this is one of the better I mean,

661
00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:51,560
Speaker 8: the strength of this draft is edge rusher and defensive tackle.

662
00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:53,440
Speaker 7: If you guys locked down Trey.

663
00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:55,080
Speaker 8: Hendrickson, which I think is going to happen, I don't.

664
00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:57,880
Speaker 8: You can't let a rusher leave. So if that happens,

665
00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:00,200
Speaker 8: then you want to get better inside. This is a

666
00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:02,360
Speaker 8: good draft to go get it inside as well. You

667
00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:05,520
Speaker 8: got a couple talents of players. You have like three

668
00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:07,880
Speaker 8: or four players in the first round defensive tackle wise

669
00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:09,040
Speaker 8: that you could take a look at that would be

670
00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:11,680
Speaker 8: high impact players, but it really doesn't stop there. It

671
00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:14,920
Speaker 8: gets deep beyond that. So this is a really good draft.

672
00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:17,200
Speaker 8: If you need defensive line help. If you need quarterback help,

673
00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:19,479
Speaker 8: not a good draft. You need defensive line help, you're

674
00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:20,200
Speaker 8: gonna be in a good shake.

675
00:32:20,360 --> 00:32:22,719
Speaker 2: The Bengals do not need quarterback help, as you know.

676
00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:25,120
Speaker 2: So let's talk about some of those defensive linemen. I

677
00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:27,880
Speaker 2: assume Mason Graham will be long gone, but some of

678
00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:31,080
Speaker 2: the other defensive tackles that we're hearing about and reading

679
00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:35,120
Speaker 2: about include Walter Nolan from all Miss Tyleek Williams from

680
00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:39,600
Speaker 2: Ohio State, Kenneth Grant from Michigan, Dereck Harmon from Oregon.

681
00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:42,800
Speaker 2: Of those guys, who do you think is most likely

682
00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:45,520
Speaker 2: to still be there at seventeen and who do you like?

683
00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:46,320
Speaker 7: Well?

684
00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:49,239
Speaker 8: I think what's gonna happen with Kenneth Grant is he's

685
00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:52,200
Speaker 8: gonna have a big he's gonna test well, and you're

686
00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:54,000
Speaker 8: gonna have a guy who's three hundred and forty pounds

687
00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:57,000
Speaker 8: run about a four to eight five four nine two

688
00:32:57,240 --> 00:33:00,280
Speaker 8: forty and he's gonna look good in drills, going to

689
00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:02,520
Speaker 8: do all the testing well. So he's going to shoot up,

690
00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:06,680
Speaker 8: and I think he probably isn't going to be there.

691
00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:09,360
Speaker 7: Derek Harmon. Did you mention Derek Carmon. Yeah, I think

692
00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:10,640
Speaker 7: Derek Carmon will be there now.

693
00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:12,400
Speaker 8: He's more of just you know, he's more of a

694
00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:15,840
Speaker 8: run stuffing guy who can help your rush as a

695
00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:16,440
Speaker 8: swarm unit.

696
00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:18,960
Speaker 7: He's not going to do a lot individually, but he

697
00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:19,960
Speaker 7: should be there.

698
00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:25,200
Speaker 8: Walter Nolan, if he's there, I mean, you got to

699
00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:27,000
Speaker 8: vet why he's there, to find out.

700
00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:27,640
Speaker 7: If there's a reason.

701
00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:29,320
Speaker 8: You know, you will have done your work by then,

702
00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:31,480
Speaker 8: so you're either comfortable with him or you're not. But

703
00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:33,160
Speaker 8: if he's still there, I mean, to me, he's the

704
00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:36,000
Speaker 8: most explosive defensive tackle on this draft. I don't think

705
00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:37,400
Speaker 8: he'll be the first one. I think it will be

706
00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:38,000
Speaker 8: Mason Graham.

707
00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:38,600
Speaker 7: As you mentioned.

708
00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:40,920
Speaker 8: If Walter Nolan's there, i'd run it up. Tyler Williams.

709
00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:42,480
Speaker 8: I don't know that I draft him at first, but

710
00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:44,480
Speaker 8: I like him a lot, so that would be one.

711
00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:46,800
Speaker 8: If you were able to trade out of the first

712
00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:49,520
Speaker 8: round or move up from your second round pick, which

713
00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:52,120
Speaker 8: like forty nine I believe, and move up into the

714
00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:54,480
Speaker 8: earlier stages of the second round, then you can take

715
00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:55,600
Speaker 8: a look at Tyler Williams.

716
00:33:55,600 --> 00:33:56,800
Speaker 1: But all I like all.

717
00:33:56,720 --> 00:33:58,560
Speaker 8: Those guys for the Bengals, I think those are I

718
00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:00,800
Speaker 8: think you're on it in terms of the players who

719
00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:03,959
Speaker 8: they should be looking at in those two spots, William

720
00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:07,040
Speaker 8: or in that spot at one, although like I said,

721
00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:09,040
Speaker 8: I think William's the guy who's probably more of a

722
00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:10,480
Speaker 8: second round player, even though I like.

723
00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:10,839
Speaker 7: Him a lot.

724
00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:14,440
Speaker 2: Lanzerline from NFL Network is our guest. Let's move to

725
00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:17,160
Speaker 2: some of the edge guys. I assume that Jalen Walker

726
00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:19,040
Speaker 2: won't be there. Here are some of the guys that

727
00:34:19,080 --> 00:34:22,320
Speaker 2: have been projected to possibly be available at number seventeen.

728
00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:25,480
Speaker 2: Mike Green from Marshall, Chamar Stewart from Texas A and

729
00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:30,040
Speaker 2: m James Pierce from Tennessee, the Boston College kid whose

730
00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:32,759
Speaker 2: last name I'm not going to try to pronounce. Of

731
00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:34,960
Speaker 2: those guys, do you think that there's a good chance

732
00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:36,160
Speaker 2: that they'll be there at seventeen?

733
00:34:36,160 --> 00:34:36,839
Speaker 1: And what do you think?

734
00:34:37,160 --> 00:34:38,239
Speaker 7: I think it's seventeen.

735
00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:44,920
Speaker 8: Izeraku from Boston College will be there. It might be

736
00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:47,880
Speaker 8: a little early for him, but once again, you always

737
00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:50,719
Speaker 8: have to remember, you know, there's always a distinct possibility

738
00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:53,320
Speaker 8: of trading back, adding a third round pick, adding a

739
00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:54,000
Speaker 8: fourth round.

740
00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:56,359
Speaker 7: Pick, to move back two spots, three spots, or move back.

741
00:34:56,719 --> 00:34:58,719
Speaker 8: To me, the strength of this draft is really going

742
00:34:58,760 --> 00:35:01,640
Speaker 8: to be more, you know, like twenty to forty five

743
00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:05,840
Speaker 8: forty six, So moving back aggressively seven or eight spots,

744
00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:07,400
Speaker 8: that allows you to still.

745
00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:09,160
Speaker 7: Target an edge that you like, if that's what you

746
00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:09,600
Speaker 7: want to do.

747
00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:12,920
Speaker 8: At the same time, you know, well, what you want

748
00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:13,960
Speaker 8: to do is you want to be in play for

749
00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:17,880
Speaker 8: multiple positions. So if you move back into the twenty

750
00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:20,520
Speaker 8: three through twenty six range, you got maybe one of

751
00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:22,960
Speaker 8: those defensive tackles, maybe two of them still on the board,

752
00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:26,239
Speaker 8: You've got three edge rushers. So to me, for the

753
00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:28,680
Speaker 8: where the Bengals are, that might be a great position

754
00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:30,520
Speaker 8: to move back pick up an extra third round pick.

755
00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:33,120
Speaker 8: Is if you aggressively move back seven eight spots, the

756
00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:36,719
Speaker 8: higher your compensation is third round pick, potentially second round pick,

757
00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:39,000
Speaker 8: depending on you know, how far you move back.

758
00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:42,799
Speaker 7: So I think that who are the other who are

759
00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:43,799
Speaker 7: the edge rushers.

760
00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:48,279
Speaker 2: That you mentioned, James Pierce, Yeah, Schamar, Stuart, Mike Green.

761
00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:51,560
Speaker 7: So Stuart should be right around there. He's going to

762
00:35:51,640 --> 00:35:52,120
Speaker 7: test great.

763
00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:55,640
Speaker 8: Look great, Production's not great, but I think Mike Green

764
00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:58,359
Speaker 8: has gone by then Stuart could be on the board.

765
00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:02,040
Speaker 8: He's probably the best looking player in this draft. And

766
00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:04,840
Speaker 8: from a you know, I remember when Carlos Dunlap was

767
00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:06,920
Speaker 8: a was a Bengal. That's the kind of body type,

768
00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:09,680
Speaker 8: you know, an impressive, long body type, but maybe even

769
00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:13,520
Speaker 8: more muscular and imposing with more and more explosive as

770
00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:16,000
Speaker 8: an athlete. But Dunlap is he's in that same kind

771
00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:20,120
Speaker 8: of category. Pierce is one who I think will fall

772
00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:23,240
Speaker 8: back a little bit. There's some there's some character stuff

773
00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:25,520
Speaker 8: that that that teams have to be okay with from

774
00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:28,120
Speaker 8: what I've been told from team sources. So I think

775
00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:30,839
Speaker 8: that nineteen might be a little early for him, not

776
00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:33,520
Speaker 8: necessarily talent wise, but where the league is going to

777
00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:37,360
Speaker 8: value him. But you move back and maybe you're a

778
00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:38,200
Speaker 8: little more comfortable.

779
00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:39,919
Speaker 7: But then again, you know, there are some teams who say,

780
00:36:40,040 --> 00:36:41,719
Speaker 7: if I'm wanting to take a guy at thirty, I

781
00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:43,360
Speaker 7: got to be willing to take a guy at nineteen.

782
00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:44,520
Speaker 7: There's no difference.

783
00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:46,600
Speaker 1: Lanzerline is our guest.

784
00:36:46,719 --> 00:36:49,200
Speaker 2: In your first mock draft, you had the Bengals taking

785
00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:53,319
Speaker 2: a wide receiver Tetoroal McMillan from Arizona, the number one

786
00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:58,680
Speaker 2: wide receiver on many people's board. I assume with that pick,

787
00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:00,840
Speaker 2: you're thinking they're not to be able to get a

788
00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:02,160
Speaker 2: deal done with t Higgins.

789
00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:04,520
Speaker 8: Well, you know, I think they'll franchise make I think

790
00:37:04,520 --> 00:37:06,640
Speaker 8: they could franchise him again. But he's off of one

791
00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:10,520
Speaker 8: franchise tag, right, so you can go to here's the thing.

792
00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:12,720
Speaker 7: It's not a great wide receiver draft.

793
00:37:13,160 --> 00:37:15,439
Speaker 8: So if I'm the Bengals, I'm getting a deal done

794
00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:18,640
Speaker 8: with Hendrickson. It's just me the new general manager. Sorry, Toby,

795
00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:20,319
Speaker 8: I'm gonna do your job for you a little bit here.

796
00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:22,160
Speaker 8: I don't have to take the bullets you have to take,

797
00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:25,080
Speaker 8: so it's easier. But I'm probably I'm keeping a rusher.

798
00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:27,080
Speaker 8: And then what I'm doing is I'm gonna say, look,

799
00:37:27,560 --> 00:37:29,680
Speaker 8: we're gonna do it one more time. T We're gonna

800
00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:31,799
Speaker 8: franchise you again. It's gonna be good money. Franchise tag

801
00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:34,200
Speaker 8: a wide receiver's good money. Now you have to hope

802
00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:36,440
Speaker 8: he still comes into camp because the new thing is

803
00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:38,160
Speaker 8: gonna be I'm gonna sit out. I'm gonna force you

804
00:37:38,200 --> 00:37:40,600
Speaker 8: to trade me. If that happens. You know, you cross

805
00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:43,040
Speaker 8: that bridge when you when you get there. You can

806
00:37:43,080 --> 00:37:45,960
Speaker 8: also maybe make a decision you franchise tag him and

807
00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:47,880
Speaker 8: then you can rescind it later on, depending on how

808
00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:48,960
Speaker 8: your draft works out.

809
00:37:49,080 --> 00:37:52,400
Speaker 7: So you know, if you need a wide receiver. I

810
00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:55,680
Speaker 7: like Luther Burden. I think that uh McMillan will.

811
00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:57,840
Speaker 8: I think he's gonna test pretty well, so he'll probably

812
00:37:57,880 --> 00:38:00,719
Speaker 8: be gone by the time the pick is made. Now,

813
00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:03,120
Speaker 8: Matthew Golden is somebody who's gonna run well here and

814
00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:06,520
Speaker 8: Tess Well. I could see Matthew Golden as a potential Bengal,

815
00:38:06,560 --> 00:38:08,360
Speaker 8: but I looked at wide receivers for you guys in

816
00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:09,080
Speaker 8: the second round.

817
00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:10,320
Speaker 7: And Jack Besh.

818
00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:13,520
Speaker 8: Who's about two hundred and twenty pounds, hands like flypaper

819
00:38:13,560 --> 00:38:17,520
Speaker 8: like flypaper like really sticky hands, good route runner, tough,

820
00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:20,319
Speaker 8: tough kid, had a great Senior Bowl. You know, he's

821
00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:22,680
Speaker 8: one of those possession receivers you got the number one

822
00:38:22,719 --> 00:38:24,640
Speaker 8: on the other side. What you're looking for as a

823
00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:27,960
Speaker 8: complimentary too. And I think somebody who can win possession catches,

824
00:38:28,120 --> 00:38:31,759
Speaker 8: can make tough catches, contested catches, has great hands. You know,

825
00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:34,680
Speaker 8: that's something you could look for in the second round.

826
00:38:34,680 --> 00:38:36,759
Speaker 8: So he's one of those guys to me that you

827
00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:40,279
Speaker 8: could potentially be looking at. I had another target for

828
00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:42,440
Speaker 8: you in the second round, wide receiver.

829
00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:43,960
Speaker 7: Let me give you another one for your for your

830
00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:44,720
Speaker 7: listening audience.

831
00:38:44,719 --> 00:38:48,040
Speaker 8: Here, Oh Trey Harris, Well, Tray's going to be more along.

832
00:38:48,239 --> 00:38:49,839
Speaker 8: I don't think he'd be the great fit. That's more

833
00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:52,520
Speaker 8: Jamar's role. So I would say the next guy might

834
00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:57,440
Speaker 8: be well, Emeka Igbuka would be a good one. And

835
00:38:57,640 --> 00:39:00,640
Speaker 8: Jaden Higgins there he is from Iowa State. Ayden Higgins

836
00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:04,640
Speaker 8: to me, fits the t Higgins role really well. He's longer,

837
00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:06,720
Speaker 8: if that's what you cover it as a longer receiver

838
00:39:07,640 --> 00:39:11,839
Speaker 8: with good ball skills. Jayden Higgins from Iowa State would

839
00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:14,440
Speaker 8: be a player at forty nine who should be in

840
00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:17,720
Speaker 8: that general vicinity. He should be available sometime between forty

841
00:39:17,719 --> 00:39:18,240
Speaker 8: and fifty.

842
00:39:18,719 --> 00:39:21,320
Speaker 2: No relation to t Higgins, but he looks a lot

843
00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:25,360
Speaker 2: like I'm a tall, big target, big reach, big wingspan

844
00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:26,000
Speaker 2: kind of guy.

845
00:39:26,120 --> 00:39:30,560
Speaker 7: Yeah. And you know, sometimes in my eleven years of

846
00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:30,920
Speaker 7: doing this.

847
00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:34,080
Speaker 8: With NFL, and I did it before this, what you

848
00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:37,359
Speaker 8: find is that head coaches and general managers, whether it's

849
00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:39,360
Speaker 8: on the collegiate level, Nick Saban used to have the

850
00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:42,200
Speaker 8: same type of players come in year after year.

851
00:39:42,239 --> 00:39:44,000
Speaker 7: So my player comps a lot of times.

852
00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:47,719
Speaker 8: Would be former Alabama, you know, Crimson Tide players because

853
00:39:47,719 --> 00:39:51,960
Speaker 8: they were so similar body type wise and play play wise. Well,

854
00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:55,560
Speaker 8: when you have Zach and Tobin and offensive staff that

855
00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:58,719
Speaker 8: I could see them saying, look, our second wide receiver, we.

856
00:39:58,719 --> 00:40:00,919
Speaker 7: Really liked what t did for we want to find

857
00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:03,720
Speaker 7: a guy like him. So then you start developing types.

858
00:40:03,719 --> 00:40:06,080
Speaker 8: If you didn't already have a type that you wanted

859
00:40:06,080 --> 00:40:09,440
Speaker 8: from a trade standpoint, if you had somebody you're just

860
00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:12,799
Speaker 8: coming off of that was really good, it makes sense

861
00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:15,560
Speaker 8: that subconsciously you want to find that kind of guy again.

862
00:40:15,719 --> 00:40:17,799
Speaker 8: So I think it would make sense that that's one

863
00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:20,200
Speaker 8: of the reasons I went and searched out players that

864
00:40:20,239 --> 00:40:23,000
Speaker 8: were bigger, that could win above the rim, that had

865
00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:25,759
Speaker 8: strong hands, you know, because I think that the Bengals

866
00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:29,080
Speaker 8: coming off of that guy, want to find that guy

867
00:40:29,120 --> 00:40:31,879
Speaker 8: again because it's it's worked pretty well for him so far.

868
00:40:32,360 --> 00:40:35,040
Speaker 2: Yes, it has Lancer Line from NFL Network is our guest.

869
00:40:35,120 --> 00:40:38,000
Speaker 2: The Bengals need a guard. I would be surprised that

870
00:40:38,080 --> 00:40:40,600
Speaker 2: they went for one in the first round. Do you

871
00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:44,560
Speaker 2: have a Day two or even Day three guard that

872
00:40:44,560 --> 00:40:45,960
Speaker 2: would make sense for Cincinnati.

873
00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:48,040
Speaker 7: I always have Day two and Day three picks.

874
00:40:48,080 --> 00:40:50,000
Speaker 8: I just I got my little cheat sheet here, so

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00:40:50,040 --> 00:40:52,359
Speaker 8: I can I can find you a Bengal. Let's see

876
00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:56,799
Speaker 8: for what the Bengals like to do. I would say, well,

877
00:40:56,800 --> 00:40:58,279
Speaker 8: there's a player that I like a lot in the

878
00:40:58,320 --> 00:41:01,600
Speaker 8: fourth round named Josh Gray Oregon State. I think he's

879
00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:04,200
Speaker 8: about a fourth round pick. He was at the Shrine Game.

880
00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:07,040
Speaker 8: He's a former tackle turn guard from Oregon State. He's

881
00:41:07,080 --> 00:41:10,120
Speaker 8: got some outside zone experience at Oregon State when they

882
00:41:10,160 --> 00:41:12,360
Speaker 8: ran that. But what a lot of teams like to do,

883
00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:13,880
Speaker 8: and when I look at the Bengals, I want to

884
00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:15,160
Speaker 8: find guys that can really protect.

885
00:41:15,360 --> 00:41:17,279
Speaker 7: I mean, that's obviously got to be the thing now.

886
00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:19,600
Speaker 8: So if I can find a tackle, a guy who

887
00:41:19,600 --> 00:41:22,719
Speaker 8: played tackle who now plays guard and he's got experience

888
00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:25,279
Speaker 8: with his hands and his pass sets, you know, that's

889
00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:25,920
Speaker 8: what I'm covering.

890
00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:26,719
Speaker 7: So I'm looking for that.

891
00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:29,120
Speaker 8: Charles Grant from William and Mary is going to be

892
00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:31,600
Speaker 8: a red hot name out here. Another tackle who can

893
00:41:31,600 --> 00:41:34,800
Speaker 8: play guard. I think he's more of a third round player.

894
00:41:35,160 --> 00:41:37,719
Speaker 8: He's going to test really, really well. He might might

895
00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:39,479
Speaker 8: even go before the Bengals draft.

896
00:41:39,480 --> 00:41:41,600
Speaker 7: In the third round. But that's another name you want

897
00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:42,120
Speaker 7: to see.

898
00:41:42,239 --> 00:41:46,400
Speaker 8: And then i'd say White milem very tough guy, physical,

899
00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:50,920
Speaker 8: aggressive once again, former tackle. He's got shorter arms, so

900
00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:52,919
Speaker 8: he's going to have to move inside, but he has

901
00:41:52,920 --> 00:41:55,280
Speaker 8: the experience of playing out there at tackle.

902
00:41:55,680 --> 00:41:57,960
Speaker 7: He is going to have the core strength that you want.

903
00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:01,440
Speaker 8: And he's nasty, and I think getting nastiness on the

904
00:42:01,480 --> 00:42:05,520
Speaker 8: front for the Bengals, but not sacrificing pass pro is

905
00:42:05,520 --> 00:42:06,880
Speaker 8: going to have to become a big priority.

906
00:42:07,520 --> 00:42:09,120
Speaker 1: Mike Kasicki is a free agent.

907
00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:11,640
Speaker 2: Eric All, the tight end they drafted last year out

908
00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:14,399
Speaker 2: of Iowa, has a significant enough knee injury that he's

909
00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:16,160
Speaker 2: not expected to come back this year.

910
00:42:16,560 --> 00:42:17,480
Speaker 1: So same question.

911
00:42:17,560 --> 00:42:19,200
Speaker 2: I don't think the Bengals would take one in the

912
00:42:19,239 --> 00:42:21,719
Speaker 2: first round. What about day two or day three for

913
00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:22,359
Speaker 2: tight ends.

914
00:42:22,880 --> 00:42:25,200
Speaker 7: It's a great year for tight ends. It's a very

915
00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:26,000
Speaker 7: deep year.

916
00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:28,839
Speaker 8: For tight ends, and I think you know day two

917
00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:33,560
Speaker 8: I would rather personally wait. Well, so Elijah Arroyo would

918
00:42:33,560 --> 00:42:36,160
Speaker 8: fit from a pass catching standpoint, if you value the

919
00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:39,319
Speaker 8: pass catching over the blocking, if you want kind.

920
00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:40,200
Speaker 7: Of a combination guy.

921
00:42:40,239 --> 00:42:43,000
Speaker 8: I think Gunner Helm from University of Texas, he's going

922
00:42:43,080 --> 00:42:45,920
Speaker 8: to be more of a third early fourth type tight end.

923
00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:49,279
Speaker 8: Harold Fannin is a pure He led the league, he

924
00:42:49,360 --> 00:42:52,719
Speaker 8: led the nation, and like catches and receiving yards.

925
00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:55,960
Speaker 7: He was just he was a monster. They targeted him

926
00:42:56,040 --> 00:42:56,680
Speaker 7: left and right.

927
00:42:57,400 --> 00:42:59,759
Speaker 8: Great pass catching tight end once again, he's more of

928
00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:01,440
Speaker 8: a slot though he's not going to do a whole

929
00:43:01,480 --> 00:43:04,120
Speaker 8: lot of blocking, so if you want both of those things.

930
00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:07,360
Speaker 8: A guy that I like a lot is Thomas Faedone

931
00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:09,680
Speaker 8: from I don't know if it's Fidona for Dona and

932
00:43:09,880 --> 00:43:12,600
Speaker 8: to check, but from Nebraska.

933
00:43:12,719 --> 00:43:15,920
Speaker 7: I really was impressed with him. He's a longer tight end,

934
00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:17,320
Speaker 7: but he is where.

935
00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:19,319
Speaker 8: GATSICKI is just going to try to win above the rim.

936
00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:22,680
Speaker 8: Use that indoor volleyball experience to help you as a

937
00:43:22,680 --> 00:43:25,799
Speaker 8: pass catcher. This is a player who's got some nastiness

938
00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:26,760
Speaker 8: and toughness to him.

939
00:43:27,120 --> 00:43:27,880
Speaker 7: As a blocker.

940
00:43:28,200 --> 00:43:32,640
Speaker 8: He is I think an underappreciated route runner and pass catcher.

941
00:43:32,840 --> 00:43:35,120
Speaker 8: So to me, he's a great value pick in the

942
00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:36,760
Speaker 8: fourth round for this tight end class.

943
00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:39,360
Speaker 1: Duke Tobyn spoke to reporters on Tuesday.

944
00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:42,320
Speaker 2: He called the Bengals a championship caliber team.

945
00:43:42,840 --> 00:43:47,000
Speaker 8: Do you agree, Well, it doesn't take much to switch

946
00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:49,000
Speaker 8: you from good to championship and the first thing he

947
00:43:49,040 --> 00:43:51,120
Speaker 8: got to do is get back, you know, is get

948
00:43:51,120 --> 00:43:54,440
Speaker 8: in the playoffs and go deep into playoffs. But you're

949
00:43:54,480 --> 00:43:56,799
Speaker 8: not that far removed from a Super Bowl. I think

950
00:43:56,840 --> 00:44:00,560
Speaker 8: if the pass protection is better, I think, you know,

951
00:44:00,560 --> 00:44:02,879
Speaker 8: it would have helped if Jamar had been in camp

952
00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:05,040
Speaker 8: and you got off to a little faster start, obviously,

953
00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:08,080
Speaker 8: but I think having a pass rusher, you can't You're

954
00:44:08,120 --> 00:44:09,399
Speaker 8: not a championship caliber team.

955
00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:11,680
Speaker 7: If you lose Trey Henderson, You're just not. You have

956
00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:12,399
Speaker 7: to rush the pass.

957
00:44:12,520 --> 00:44:15,120
Speaker 8: You've got a great pass covering linebacker, which is a

958
00:44:15,120 --> 00:44:17,480
Speaker 8: big difference maker in today's NFL. I think if you

959
00:44:17,640 --> 00:44:20,279
Speaker 8: tighten up the secondary just a little bit, you keep

960
00:44:20,320 --> 00:44:23,960
Speaker 8: the pass rusher you've got, and then you bolster the

961
00:44:24,040 --> 00:44:26,160
Speaker 8: offensive line and you fill in some of the spots

962
00:44:26,160 --> 00:44:27,919
Speaker 8: that you and I have talked about. Yeah, I don't

963
00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:31,160
Speaker 8: see why not. I mean, the Bengals were plus plus minus.

964
00:44:31,440 --> 00:44:33,359
Speaker 8: You know, they had three games that went against them

965
00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:34,960
Speaker 8: that could have gone in their favor. We'll do the

966
00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:36,759
Speaker 8: math on that. We're looking at it. You know, no

967
00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:39,240
Speaker 8: one wanted to see the Bengals in the playoffs. Nobody

968
00:44:39,239 --> 00:44:41,359
Speaker 8: wanted to see a red hot Bengals team, so you're

969
00:44:41,400 --> 00:44:42,200
Speaker 8: not that far off.

970
00:44:42,719 --> 00:44:42,959
Speaker 1: Lance.

971
00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:45,960
Speaker 2: Always appreciate your time. Your expertise is outstanding. Thank you

972
00:44:46,040 --> 00:44:46,359
Speaker 2: so much.

973
00:44:46,440 --> 00:44:47,320
Speaker 4: I appreciate it. Thanks.

974
00:44:48,320 --> 00:44:51,319
Speaker 2: Lance's dad, Larry, was the offensive line coach at the

975
00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:55,320
Speaker 2: University of Cincinnati for four years under Rick Mentor, during

976
00:44:55,320 --> 00:45:00,600
Speaker 2: a stretch where the coaching staff included Mike Tomlin, John Harbaugh,

977
00:45:00,920 --> 00:45:04,560
Speaker 2: and Rex Ryan, among others. That's going to do it

978
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