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Speaker 1: Black and Gold SNR Steelers Nation Radio. Welcome to the Drive.

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Speaker 1: I'm Dale all E here with Matt Williamson and Matt.

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Speaker 1: Were just over two weeks out from the NFL Draft

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Speaker 1: and it's been an interesting day in the NFL. Um

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Speaker 1: We've seen a more quarterback Stuff's happened here as Derek

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Speaker 1: Las Vegas Raiders. And if if you look at the

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Speaker 1: money involved with that deal. Um only twenty four point

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Speaker 1: the other league's other owners will be happy with that.

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Speaker 1: But it's a that's a three year, hundred and twenty

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Speaker 1: one point five million dollar extension for Derek Carr. Uh,

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Speaker 1: that's forty million dollars a year using forty is at

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Speaker 1: the question, can you get to where you want with

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Speaker 1: I know this is exactly what we're talking about, but

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Speaker 1: and I think it should be a tough thing for

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Speaker 1: the Raiders to maintain both. But they're in it to

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Speaker 1: win it. And obviously Josh McDaniels is a car believer.

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Speaker 1: I am as well. Yeah, and I think this shows

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Speaker 1: once again, you know that that people are getting caught

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Speaker 1: people see, you know, contracts for some of these wide

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Speaker 1: twenty five million dollars. When Derek Carr signed his initial deal,

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Speaker 1: and people freaked out over that, but yeah, that's you

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Speaker 1: know that the going rate for quarterbacks is now thirty

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Speaker 1: people need to have a little bit more big picture

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Speaker 1: the difference between Cousins and car To me, though, is

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Speaker 1: if I'm going to be in the thirty plus million

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Speaker 1: you know, like, is Kenny Pickett in year two not

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Speaker 1: but the better player, Like, that's what you really have

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Speaker 1: You don't know. Yeah, you know what those you know

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Speaker 1: what your cousins, you know what car are. The burden

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Speaker 1: like Ritter and I'm talking you know what teams behind

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Speaker 1: But here's here's the thing, though, Matt. The key to

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