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Speaker 1: On the dol Cast. The questions asked if movies have

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Speaker 1: start changing it with the Bedel Cast. Hi, welcome to

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Speaker 1: the Bechtel Cast. My name is Jamie Loftus. My name

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Speaker 1: is Caitlin Durante. Oh my god, this is our podcast.

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Speaker 1: You're listening to it. Here we are. This is the

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Speaker 1: Bechtel Cast. We talked about the representation, the portrayal, the

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Speaker 1: treatment of women in movies, one movie at a time.

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Speaker 1: I'm drinking uh seven eleven juice. Yeah, I'm because you

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Speaker 1: think we need sweat. I'm kind of disappointed that you're

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Speaker 1: not drinking Mark's hard lemonade today, but I'm fully today.

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Speaker 1: After they followed us on Twitter and everything, you wouldn't believe,

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Speaker 1: they still have yet to send us any of their product.

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Speaker 1: But we'll get there. I don't know. I'm still I

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Speaker 1: I got into an online feud with the geeks who drank,

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Speaker 1: and I'm still really battling with that, and I think

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Speaker 1: of just you know, it can't be feuding. Right now,

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Speaker 1: I understand feud. A show al for Molina was nominated

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Speaker 1: for a Golden Glove and snubbed. There we go, there's

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Speaker 1: the mention, Oh, so we so we look at movies

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Speaker 1: through the lens of how they treat women, using the

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Speaker 1: Bechdel test as a yard stick as a start for

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Speaker 1: the combo. Bechdel test for us is there has to

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Speaker 1: be a conversation between two female identifying characters in the

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Speaker 1: for more than two lines of dialogue. Yeah, it doesn't

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Speaker 1: seem like it would be that hard for any movie

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Speaker 1: Yes today today, I mean, I feel like no one

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Speaker 1: to talk about it. Yeah, before we get into that,

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Speaker 1: they'll let us introduce guest. She's a hilarious comedian. She

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Speaker 1: runs a show called Velvet Charlotte Lordston being here, dected

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Speaker 1: bringing up this movie. Of course, this movie so you

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Speaker 1: it only came out a couple of months ago. So

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Speaker 1: why did you pick this movie? Well, I also I

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Speaker 1: reached out to my reps and asked for a script.

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Speaker 1: So I read the script before I ever saw the

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Speaker 1: movie because I was just so excited about Greta Gerwig

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Speaker 1: writing a film and like it's getting any kind of buzz,

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Speaker 1: Like I just get really excited when I see women

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Speaker 1: like I'm interested in writing a mother daughter kind of movie,

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Speaker 1: to read the script acy the movie. That's awesome, that's amazing.

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Speaker 1: I do have a master's degree in screenwriting that I

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Speaker 1: That's good to know. I didn't know that about you. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm so glad I know that now. Well, congratulations on

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Speaker 1: from you after all that money. Yeah, imagine if they did,

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Speaker 1: an expiration date. Dude, he still owes two hundred thou dollars. Well,

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Speaker 1: totally screenwriter adjacent for sure. Like some people totally never

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Speaker 1: out with her is enough. I don't know. Maybe I'm

425
00:23:55,760 --> 00:23:57,639
Speaker 1: like kind of working through this in real time. I

426
00:23:57,720 --> 00:23:59,480
Speaker 1: do like that they reconciled. I don't know, I just

427
00:23:59,520 --> 00:24:02,160
Speaker 1: wish that because the first time I saw the movie,

428
00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:05,240
Speaker 1: I was like, she's funny, she's spunky, she's bold, she's

429
00:24:05,280 --> 00:24:08,320
Speaker 1: like really outspoken, and I liked that about her. And

430
00:24:08,320 --> 00:24:10,119
Speaker 1: then the second time around, when I was like paying

431
00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:12,520
Speaker 1: more close attention, I was like, oh, she's kind of

432
00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:17,600
Speaker 1: mean to her friend, and she's she is, but it

433
00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:20,080
Speaker 1: made me, I know, I don't know, it just made

434
00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:22,520
Speaker 1: me annoyed with her. And then she like makes that

435
00:24:22,640 --> 00:24:26,160
Speaker 1: racist comment to her brother where she's basically implying that

436
00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:29,800
Speaker 1: he only got into UC Berkeley because of like affirmative action,

437
00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:32,840
Speaker 1: and he's just like, you're the worst, and and I

438
00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:34,440
Speaker 1: was just like, oh, she's a little piece of ship.

439
00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:37,000
Speaker 1: But again, we all are at that time, so and

440
00:24:37,040 --> 00:24:41,239
Speaker 1: that's I mean, I thought it was accurate. It is,

441
00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:44,080
Speaker 1: it is, it is, And I think that's partially why

442
00:24:44,119 --> 00:24:48,399
Speaker 1: she's so frustrating, because she is. And you know what

443
00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:49,879
Speaker 1: I love the most is at the end of the

444
00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:53,200
Speaker 1: movie when she's at that party and um, the guy

445
00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:55,919
Speaker 1: asked her where she's from and she says and he

446
00:24:55,920 --> 00:24:58,320
Speaker 1: doesn't really hear her, and she changes her answer to

447
00:24:58,600 --> 00:25:02,280
Speaker 1: San Francisco, and I love that that she's still lying,

448
00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:04,879
Speaker 1: like even because that's a theme throughout the movie that

449
00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:07,520
Speaker 1: she lies about the house that she lives in, and

450
00:25:07,560 --> 00:25:14,320
Speaker 1: like yeah. Yeah, she's a terrible person, which her friend

451
00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:19,440
Speaker 1: Julie after she learns her lesson Justice for Julie. Yeah,

452
00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:22,080
Speaker 1: justice for Julie. But like, I love that at the

453
00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:26,000
Speaker 1: end she's still lying because it's this great reminder that

454
00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:29,720
Speaker 1: change is slow and that you know, maybe at the

455
00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:31,680
Speaker 1: end of the four years she'll be a different person.

456
00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:34,440
Speaker 1: But her first party at college, she's still that. She's

457
00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:38,919
Speaker 1: still Ladybird, She's still Christine. She's still not comfortable in

458
00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:41,080
Speaker 1: this new role of she's not older, she's just in

459
00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:43,359
Speaker 1: a different place, you know, which was really cool and

460
00:25:43,359 --> 00:25:45,320
Speaker 1: it's cool to see her kind of figure that out

461
00:25:45,560 --> 00:25:48,000
Speaker 1: in time because she I mean, and that is part

462
00:25:48,040 --> 00:25:50,720
Speaker 1: of what I found frustrating about the character. And again

463
00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:52,159
Speaker 1: it's like the more we talk about it, it's like

464
00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:54,600
Speaker 1: it's not that doesn't mean that it's not I mean,

465
00:25:54,680 --> 00:25:58,480
Speaker 1: that means it's really good because and I recognize this

466
00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:01,800
Speaker 1: like behavior in you know, like girls they new in

467
00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:04,520
Speaker 1: high school of like they'll try out a club and

468
00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:07,040
Speaker 1: then if they're not immediately the center. Like that was

469
00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:10,040
Speaker 1: like Ladybird wanted attention, and when she didn't get like

470
00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:13,040
Speaker 1: a role she thought was sufficient for her, she was like, oh,

471
00:26:13,119 --> 00:26:15,639
Speaker 1: funk off by and then moved on to the next thing,

472
00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:17,320
Speaker 1: which is Jenna, and then moved on to the next

473
00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:20,600
Speaker 1: Like she's just all, you know, just like a very

474
00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:24,240
Speaker 1: teenage selfishness. And it's weird, I mean, because she also

475
00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:27,520
Speaker 1: she is insecure in some way, like she is a

476
00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:31,560
Speaker 1: very confident character, but there are some ways that yeah,

477
00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:34,679
Speaker 1: Like this was something I remember feeling myself to, Like

478
00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:39,600
Speaker 1: she was so confident but also very adamant about her

479
00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:45,000
Speaker 1: own like mediocrity and was not really delusional in any

480
00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:47,520
Speaker 1: way about Like she's like, yeah, my grades aren't good enough,

481
00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:50,439
Speaker 1: but I'm going to figure it out, right, Yeah, like

482
00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:53,560
Speaker 1: that we know of yet. That's such a great line.

483
00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:56,360
Speaker 1: And and you know, like when her mom was like, oh,

484
00:26:56,400 --> 00:26:57,880
Speaker 1: do you still like drama, She's like, no, I don't

485
00:26:57,880 --> 00:27:00,560
Speaker 1: think I'm good at it. Like Ladybird won to find

486
00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:04,480
Speaker 1: the easiest way to do everything. Yeah, yes, which you know,

487
00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:08,639
Speaker 1: which is a lot of us is understandable. Yeah that's hard. Yeah.

488
00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:11,920
Speaker 1: So these are just very well written characters that we

489
00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:15,640
Speaker 1: usually don't see on screen because especially female characters are

490
00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:20,800
Speaker 1: such one dimensional, underdeveloped people who don't feel like real

491
00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:25,720
Speaker 1: people that it is refreshing to see such dynamic characters

492
00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:29,000
Speaker 1: in this movie. Yes, I agree, I love I want

493
00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:31,639
Speaker 1: to talk about Julie. I think she's my favorite character.

494
00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:33,600
Speaker 1: We need to talk about. We need to talk about

495
00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:39,760
Speaker 1: Julie new movies starting to listen. So one of the

496
00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:42,680
Speaker 1: things I want to say about her is that I

497
00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:46,080
Speaker 1: really like that we get representation on screen of a

498
00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:51,520
Speaker 1: young woman who is fat. We almost never see fat

499
00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:54,920
Speaker 1: women in movies. Even of the female characters that we've

500
00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:56,480
Speaker 1: talked about on this podcast who we love and we

501
00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:59,720
Speaker 1: think are such like badass female characters, they're almost always

502
00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:04,080
Speaker 1: like these unrealistically thin women. Hollywood is very guilty of

503
00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:08,679
Speaker 1: portraying this like unrealistic standard of beauty that like no

504
00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:13,560
Speaker 1: one can achieve and having their like badass, strong female

505
00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:18,480
Speaker 1: protagonists and female characters still be very by Western standards,

506
00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:21,720
Speaker 1: very beautiful and very thin. So I just really liked

507
00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:27,200
Speaker 1: that we see a very lovable, good character, smart like

508
00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:30,520
Speaker 1: she gets cast in the lead of the play even

509
00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:32,280
Speaker 1: though she does not have that stand out of an

510
00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:35,440
Speaker 1: audition like that was where I was like, she had

511
00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:38,240
Speaker 1: a weird and lady bird. I thought had a pretty

512
00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:41,160
Speaker 1: good audition, so too, it was extra as hell, but

513
00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:45,920
Speaker 1: that same yeah, but just the fact that we see

514
00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:49,840
Speaker 1: that representation I think is really great because we haven't

515
00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:52,280
Speaker 1: talked that much about like kind of the body positivity

516
00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:54,680
Speaker 1: movement on this podcast. Yeah, and I mean I feel

517
00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:56,040
Speaker 1: like we don't talk about it a lot because we

518
00:28:56,080 --> 00:28:59,160
Speaker 1: so rarely see other body types in any movie we can,

519
00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:03,400
Speaker 1: which is also worth mentioning that we hardly ever see that. Yeah,

520
00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:05,480
Speaker 1: and kind of being to that point, I thought that

521
00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:07,880
Speaker 1: the way that that was, I mean, that was in

522
00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:10,880
Speaker 1: no way a focal point even of Julie's character really,

523
00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:15,400
Speaker 1: but they're the few times that like Julie, like she

524
00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:17,640
Speaker 1: says a few times like oh I feel so fat right,

525
00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:20,480
Speaker 1: Like there's like a little comments and Ladybird never quite

526
00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:23,520
Speaker 1: knows how to deal with it and respond and she'll

527
00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:27,120
Speaker 1: be like me too, or like something like connected with

528
00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:30,000
Speaker 1: with those moments too, of like when your friend expresses

529
00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:32,680
Speaker 1: an insecurity and then you're like, oh, I don't know

530
00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:34,040
Speaker 1: what to do with this. I'm just gonna say I

531
00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:36,600
Speaker 1: feel the same way, even though, like, yeah, like because

532
00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:39,680
Speaker 1: I've seen very early on they're looking through a magazine

533
00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:42,400
Speaker 1: at the store where McGill works at, and um, they

534
00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:48,640
Speaker 1: see like an ad of this like probably photoshopped model. Yeah,

535
00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:52,000
Speaker 1: even today, all that ship is being photoshopped. Julie says,

536
00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:54,600
Speaker 1: you know, why can't I look like that? I think

537
00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:59,080
Speaker 1: Ladybird doesn't really respond or like, doesn't say anything that important.

538
00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:02,960
Speaker 1: But then Ladybird reflects that same sentiment much later on

539
00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:05,000
Speaker 1: in the movie when she's shopping for her prom dress

540
00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:06,880
Speaker 1: and she comes out and there's address it's a little

541
00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:09,120
Speaker 1: too tight, and you know, she's saying, like, why don't

542
00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:11,000
Speaker 1: I look like the women in the magazines? Which is

543
00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:15,960
Speaker 1: a bit on the dose, you know, But yeah, I

544
00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:18,440
Speaker 1: do like those little moments where, you know, Julie, like

545
00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:21,760
Speaker 1: you said, it expresses an insecurity, which, you know, again

546
00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:25,120
Speaker 1: just a totally realistic thing for women of all ages

547
00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:27,520
Speaker 1: to be insecure about. So I just, yeah, I just

548
00:30:27,560 --> 00:30:31,640
Speaker 1: really liked that representation and that that was addressed in

549
00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:34,360
Speaker 1: the movie. I would like to see more movies feature

550
00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:38,440
Speaker 1: just a strong female lead that doesn't have that quote

551
00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:43,640
Speaker 1: unquote ideal body shape. I'd like to see representation across

552
00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:46,760
Speaker 1: the board of just you know, other shapes and sizes.

553
00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:50,320
Speaker 1: Doesn't seem like we're quite there yet in Hollywood. I

554
00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:52,480
Speaker 1: don't think so, but I it's on the horizon. I

555
00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:55,040
Speaker 1: can already. I can feel it in my bones. It's coming.

556
00:30:55,120 --> 00:30:57,200
Speaker 1: You know, when you see I really do. Like when

557
00:30:57,200 --> 00:31:00,680
Speaker 1: you see more women directors, you see more women screenwriters,

558
00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:04,840
Speaker 1: you see women really getting the means of production, like

559
00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:07,360
Speaker 1: you know, like you have a Shonda Rhymes that exists,

560
00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:09,360
Speaker 1: you have an Operah that exists, Oprah has a network,

561
00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:11,640
Speaker 1: Like I don't see how in the next ten to

562
00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:14,760
Speaker 1: twenty years, based on the way those women look, you know,

563
00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:19,360
Speaker 1: and what they've already done, like that that work isn't

564
00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:21,680
Speaker 1: pushed more. And like women like us who want to

565
00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:25,240
Speaker 1: see ourselves represented on screen, even aniss ray with hard

566
00:31:25,280 --> 00:31:28,040
Speaker 1: natural hair, like that's mind boggling to me, Like you

567
00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:31,560
Speaker 1: don't see a lead with natural hair like ten years

568
00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:34,840
Speaker 1: ago ever, you know, Like now it's everywhere. Now It's

569
00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:36,920
Speaker 1: like I don't even know how to take care of

570
00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:38,960
Speaker 1: my natural hair. Now, I'm like, oh my god, now

571
00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:42,400
Speaker 1: it's a trending to figure it out. But it's like seriously,

572
00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:44,840
Speaker 1: like I really I think it's I think it's only

573
00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:47,760
Speaker 1: going to get better. Really, yeah, I hope. So I

574
00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:51,760
Speaker 1: think it writes me happy. I feel uplifted. You guys

575
00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:53,600
Speaker 1: don't agree. You don't think it's going to get better.

576
00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:55,720
Speaker 1: I think so often we get caught in the mire

577
00:31:55,840 --> 00:31:58,240
Speaker 1: of like where you're usually covering movies that are a

578
00:31:58,240 --> 00:32:00,000
Speaker 1: little bit older, and it's so easy to just get

579
00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:03,120
Speaker 1: bogged down with like Jesus Christ, we're given James Franco

580
00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:06,080
Speaker 1: Golden Gloves. Okay, you know, Like, but it does seem

581
00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:09,280
Speaker 1: like there is a system that is, if not being

582
00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:11,840
Speaker 1: pushed all the way out, is at least being pushed

583
00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:16,080
Speaker 1: to the side, which is I think the most promising

584
00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:20,560
Speaker 1: thing is that system is seeing how financially like it's

585
00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:23,720
Speaker 1: it can't last long like that that system find like

586
00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:27,160
Speaker 1: like people aren't supporting movies that only have this or that,

587
00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:30,040
Speaker 1: Like I think a movie like Black Panther, which I

588
00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:35,320
Speaker 1: personally have been excited to see so ready, but the

589
00:32:35,320 --> 00:32:37,840
Speaker 1: fact that that or or even like Ladybird, let's just

590
00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:40,920
Speaker 1: usually the movie we're talking about, a movie like Ladybird

591
00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:43,120
Speaker 1: that is financially successful, you know, like from the time

592
00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:46,760
Speaker 1: when Bride'smaids was financially successful. Everything's about money in this industry.

593
00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:50,400
Speaker 1: So it's just once they see that they're this structure

594
00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:55,080
Speaker 1: that's built on these oppressive kind of ideas because only

595
00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:57,320
Speaker 1: a handful of people are only so many people get

596
00:32:57,320 --> 00:32:59,840
Speaker 1: to make these decisions when their bottom line isn't being

597
00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:03,240
Speaker 1: because they can't find it, they can't finance. But people

598
00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:05,920
Speaker 1: aren't putting people putting money anymore because they know they

599
00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:08,640
Speaker 1: don't have to see something like that. They have to

600
00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:10,880
Speaker 1: change or they die, which is fine. Some of them

601
00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:13,160
Speaker 1: will go away, and some of them will wise up

602
00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:15,800
Speaker 1: and like make movies with women and people of color

603
00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:19,000
Speaker 1: and like put people or like even better, I hate

604
00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:22,600
Speaker 1: having to like shove my way into like the person

605
00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:25,640
Speaker 1: of powers, you know position. I'd rather just create my

606
00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:30,440
Speaker 1: own thing and then you die naturally. You know. Competition

607
00:33:30,520 --> 00:33:32,240
Speaker 1: is great in that way, you know, like when you're

608
00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:34,120
Speaker 1: making something people want to see, Like I don't have

609
00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:35,760
Speaker 1: to push my way to the table. I can make

610
00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:38,320
Speaker 1: my own table and make my own film and make

611
00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:41,480
Speaker 1: my own you know. And I think it's I think

612
00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:44,000
Speaker 1: it's amazing. I think it's gonna be dope. And it

613
00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:46,239
Speaker 1: was like all these different platforms, things are so much

614
00:33:46,280 --> 00:33:48,440
Speaker 1: more accessible than they used to be with the studio

615
00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:51,600
Speaker 1: system and all that. It sucks that for like the

616
00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:55,640
Speaker 1: Hollywood studio system, the motivator for them is money and

617
00:33:55,680 --> 00:34:04,640
Speaker 1: not showcasing marginalized voices like it's good, that's capitalist socialist

618
00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:10,480
Speaker 1: Caitlin overright, So go get your plow, get a libertarian,

619
00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:13,880
Speaker 1: libertarians own plows. That's just like a fun thing. I

620
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:18,240
Speaker 1: enjoyed pushing in the world. Um yeah, and when movies

621
00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:22,280
Speaker 1: like Ladybird, I want to see how beyond its budget

622
00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:25,080
Speaker 1: it it made. But like this movie did so well,

623
00:34:25,680 --> 00:34:28,120
Speaker 1: and I was I was surprised that. And I think

624
00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:30,279
Speaker 1: there's just like a cultural shift of a couple of

625
00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:32,719
Speaker 1: years ago. Do I think my brother, my little brother

626
00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:35,359
Speaker 1: would go out of his way to see Ladybird? No, like,

627
00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:37,839
Speaker 1: but he did, and he's seen it twice. I mean

628
00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:41,279
Speaker 1: that has to do with the movie Past two. But

629
00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:43,480
Speaker 1: but like it is cool that there is like a

630
00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:47,959
Speaker 1: culture shift happening where you don't necessarily see Lady Bird

631
00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:50,560
Speaker 1: and you're like, oh, it's the girl movie. We're not

632
00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:53,200
Speaker 1: going to go, but like, yeah, where it's like my yeah,

633
00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:55,520
Speaker 1: my dad and my brother's old Ladybird and they just

634
00:34:56,040 --> 00:34:59,600
Speaker 1: and I think unless they were like play me, I

635
00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:02,799
Speaker 1: think I just thought they saw a movie, which is

636
00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:05,799
Speaker 1: which they did. But I think ten years ago they

637
00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:07,480
Speaker 1: would have been like, oh, yeah, we saw I can't

638
00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:09,400
Speaker 1: believe I had to go see the girl movie. You know,

639
00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:10,960
Speaker 1: do you know what that makes me think of When

640
00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:14,080
Speaker 1: you say they saw a quote unquote girl movie and

641
00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:16,239
Speaker 1: they are just talking about it like a normal movie.

642
00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:17,920
Speaker 1: It makes me think of the me Too movement or

643
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:21,200
Speaker 1: just the sexual harassment culture in Hollywood that everyone's been

644
00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:23,399
Speaker 1: talking about. About, how like dudes are just like, well,

645
00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:26,680
Speaker 1: how are we supposed to talk to women? They're a person.

646
00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:31,920
Speaker 1: Imagine talking to another guy, but that you might you know,

647
00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:35,160
Speaker 1: and like ask like would you touch another guy if

648
00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:37,480
Speaker 1: you didn't ask that person or didn't know if it

649
00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:41,400
Speaker 1: was okay? You know, like the sexual attraction part is

650
00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:44,200
Speaker 1: you know, one piece. But then also they're also a person.

651
00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:47,440
Speaker 1: That's what I would like to say people that are confused.

652
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:53,320
Speaker 1: It's well, it's been shoved down everybody's throat in media

653
00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:58,200
Speaker 1: and just culture in general that actually women aren't really people,

654
00:35:58,200 --> 00:36:02,040
Speaker 1: their objects. So all these men who like don't know

655
00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:03,680
Speaker 1: how to talk to women are like don't know how

656
00:36:03,719 --> 00:36:06,080
Speaker 1: to treat them. It's because they've been spoon fed these

657
00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:08,799
Speaker 1: ideas that like women are objects and that they're not

658
00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:11,439
Speaker 1: real people and they don't have autonomy. So yeah, they're

659
00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:16,480
Speaker 1: just like jiggling boobs sometimes they have a name. Sometimes

660
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:19,799
Speaker 1: they don't even Like you guys were talking about when

661
00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:21,600
Speaker 1: you go back and watch old movies, It's true. When

662
00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:23,480
Speaker 1: I go back and watch old movies, I'm like, holy

663
00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:28,080
Speaker 1: sh and like even like recent past, like something that

664
00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:31,719
Speaker 1: this movie didn't really address that that I mean, I

665
00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:34,560
Speaker 1: just think that there wasn't time. But like I would

666
00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:37,520
Speaker 1: be so interested, like what were the movies Ladybird and

667
00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:41,000
Speaker 1: Julie were like seeing in two thousand two, because it

668
00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:44,080
Speaker 1: had to have been a fucking nightmare, Like, because that's

669
00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:46,480
Speaker 1: kind of I feel like the early two thousands was

670
00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:51,240
Speaker 1: weirdly especially bad in the ways that women are projecting.

671
00:36:51,239 --> 00:36:54,480
Speaker 1: I'm kind of I think plugging in my time at

672
00:36:55,080 --> 00:36:58,360
Speaker 1: working in the Playboy archives as a litmus test for that.

673
00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:02,399
Speaker 1: But like the early two thousand was especially pushing, like

674
00:37:02,560 --> 00:37:08,520
Speaker 1: a insane body type on the world. Um that's less

675
00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:11,520
Speaker 1: realistic than almost any other era I can think of.

676
00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:14,480
Speaker 1: So I kind of wish I knew, Like I'm like, oh,

677
00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:18,399
Speaker 1: because they don't talk about movies. Music is discussed and

678
00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:24,240
Speaker 1: the soundtrack is like awesome. I like. Also, to date,

679
00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:30,320
Speaker 1: Lady Bird has practically quadrupled it's budget ten million budget.

680
00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:34,840
Speaker 1: It's made thirty nine point one million. That's amazing. Yeah.

681
00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:37,120
Speaker 1: I mean that's nowhere near what a blockbuster gets, which

682
00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:40,720
Speaker 1: is upsetting, but people are buying tickets to go saying

683
00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:45,239
Speaker 1: it's a good exciting. Another thing I wanted to talk

684
00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:50,239
Speaker 1: about is I love how like sex positive that household is. Yes,

685
00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:53,400
Speaker 1: Oh my god, Yeah, it's really cool to see. We

686
00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:56,600
Speaker 1: almost never seen that. And I loved how when she

687
00:37:56,680 --> 00:37:59,839
Speaker 1: asked her mom when it's a good time to have sex? Yeah? Mom?

688
00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:04,799
Speaker 1: What she says, she has a little She's like sex, yeah, yeah,

689
00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:08,759
Speaker 1: and she says truthfully no because she hadn't had sex

690
00:38:08,840 --> 00:38:11,840
Speaker 1: yet at that point. And then her mom says, I

691
00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:14,000
Speaker 1: say college. And then she's like, and make sure you

692
00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:16,440
Speaker 1: use protection like we talked about, which was implying that

693
00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:18,480
Speaker 1: they've already had the sex talk, like if you're going

694
00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:20,839
Speaker 1: to do it, just like you know, use protection, make

695
00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:23,520
Speaker 1: sure you're ready, all that stuff. There's that conversation which

696
00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:26,880
Speaker 1: I really loved. I really liked. I think it's earlier

697
00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:29,319
Speaker 1: on in the movie. But um, ladybirds, mom and dad

698
00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:32,520
Speaker 1: are like in the bathroom and my mom says, like,

699
00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:34,800
Speaker 1: do you think Miguel and Shelley have sex on the

700
00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:37,919
Speaker 1: pull up cad. He was like, oh yeah, and they

701
00:38:38,040 --> 00:38:42,240
Speaker 1: laughed about it like I love it so like, because

702
00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:44,759
Speaker 1: I don't know how religious the family is, I think

703
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:47,240
Speaker 1: that because Ladybird goes to an all Catholic high school.

704
00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:49,680
Speaker 1: Maybe I'm assuming that because they addressed that to you,

705
00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:54,040
Speaker 1: that they said that Miguel saw someone stabbed in public school,

706
00:38:54,040 --> 00:38:58,640
Speaker 1: and so god, I remember that argument against like public school.

707
00:38:58,680 --> 00:39:01,600
Speaker 1: I just like, someone got stabbed once, and it's like so,

708
00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:04,200
Speaker 1: I guess my point was I assumed that the family

709
00:39:04,280 --> 00:39:07,040
Speaker 1: was at least religious enough to send their kid to

710
00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:11,080
Speaker 1: a religious school, but maybe not. Either way. The fact

711
00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:15,279
Speaker 1: that they that it was like a pretty sex positive household, Um,

712
00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:17,719
Speaker 1: did either of you grow up in like households like that,

713
00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:21,719
Speaker 1: very religious households? No, like sex positive, not at all

714
00:39:23,080 --> 00:39:27,359
Speaker 1: sex negative. My mom was actually for as liberal as

715
00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:29,359
Speaker 1: she is. My mom is, or at least was at

716
00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:34,399
Speaker 1: the time, not so progressive about sex. Now. I talked

717
00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:37,719
Speaker 1: to her all the time about raw dog and dudes. No,

718
00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:45,719
Speaker 1: not really, I call your mother speaking. I call my mom.

719
00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:47,560
Speaker 1: You know what, maybe I'm going to regret the sentence

720
00:39:47,560 --> 00:39:50,960
Speaker 1: of it. I call my mom like basically anytime I

721
00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:53,960
Speaker 1: have a new sex partner of Like, Mom, can I

722
00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:58,279
Speaker 1: send you pit because like a dream world, I can

723
00:39:58,360 --> 00:40:02,880
Speaker 1: never I'm married and I can't. Really my mom is

724
00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:06,440
Speaker 1: so like if you go home with your husband, does

725
00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:08,799
Speaker 1: she make you sleep in separate bedrooms? We sleep in

726
00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:13,560
Speaker 1: the same bedroom. But like it's like I don't even it,

727
00:40:13,560 --> 00:40:15,319
Speaker 1: just doesn't want to hear it. Like she doesn't believe

728
00:40:15,360 --> 00:40:18,000
Speaker 1: in like birth control, like for married couples, Like she

729
00:40:18,080 --> 00:40:19,840
Speaker 1: thinks like she's that, like she thinks we should be

730
00:40:19,840 --> 00:40:21,799
Speaker 1: having kids already. Whish. I'm just like, oh my god,

731
00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:25,480
Speaker 1: my mom. My mom was so sex positive to the

732
00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:29,040
Speaker 1: point where I like she kind of like fucked me

733
00:40:29,360 --> 00:40:32,160
Speaker 1: up in the reverse way where there were multiple times

734
00:40:32,200 --> 00:40:34,480
Speaker 1: in high school I lost my virginity. I mean, I

735
00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:36,400
Speaker 1: talk about all the fucking time I do, I do,

736
00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:43,760
Speaker 1: I do, I do a whole fucking chow. But but

737
00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:46,200
Speaker 1: but all I had to say my mom approached me

738
00:40:46,280 --> 00:40:48,480
Speaker 1: several times before I lost my virginia and she was like, Oh,

739
00:40:48,520 --> 00:40:52,120
Speaker 1: you haven't lost your virginia? Are you sick? Like are

740
00:40:52,160 --> 00:40:56,600
Speaker 1: you Yeah? She was like, are you not doing it right?

741
00:40:56,840 --> 00:41:00,560
Speaker 1: Like why? Because she loved my mom love all of

742
00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:02,319
Speaker 1: my high school boyfriends to the point of like, are

743
00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:05,839
Speaker 1: you hitting on them? And she was like you should, yeah,

744
00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:07,920
Speaker 1: go for it, you know. And she but she was

745
00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:11,000
Speaker 1: also great with like she brought me to the doctor.

746
00:41:11,040 --> 00:41:13,880
Speaker 1: Anytime I would start dating someone, she would bring me

747
00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:16,320
Speaker 1: to a doctor to kind of just you know, remind

748
00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:19,400
Speaker 1: me that I could have sex. But she was I

749
00:41:19,480 --> 00:41:20,960
Speaker 1: don't know. I think my mom was like, Jamie, why

750
00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:23,279
Speaker 1: aren't you like, oh wild little slat. I was like,

751
00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:30,960
Speaker 1: I actually like reading to read. Okay, at the time,

752
00:41:31,640 --> 00:41:37,240
Speaker 1: I wasn't a reading slut, but now I'm a reading slut.

753
00:41:38,040 --> 00:41:41,279
Speaker 1: I'm not great. Uh yeah, So I feel I feel

754
00:41:41,320 --> 00:41:43,880
Speaker 1: lucky to have grown up in a household like that.

755
00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:46,480
Speaker 1: And then my dad, I think, sort of like Ladybird's dad,

756
00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:49,319
Speaker 1: uh was not. I mean, it would have been weird

757
00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:50,960
Speaker 1: if he was just like, you haven't sex, what's going on?

758
00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:55,279
Speaker 1: But he was like tolerant and cool and nice about it.

759
00:41:55,800 --> 00:41:58,800
Speaker 1: And as was her mom, which I think is really

760
00:41:58,920 --> 00:42:01,719
Speaker 1: the what Lady Bird and her mom do fight about,

761
00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:03,759
Speaker 1: and then what they don't fight about, I think is

762
00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:06,120
Speaker 1: really telling of both of their characters as well, because

763
00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:08,719
Speaker 1: you've seen a million times in movies, and then also

764
00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:12,640
Speaker 1: our real lives of being really scared to approach your

765
00:42:12,680 --> 00:42:16,080
Speaker 1: mom about sex stuff, and you know, and fear of

766
00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:18,759
Speaker 1: her judging you and being called a slut and things

767
00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:21,040
Speaker 1: like that. But the fact that no judgment has passed

768
00:42:21,040 --> 00:42:23,840
Speaker 1: in their conversation about sex, and the fact that they

769
00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:26,120
Speaker 1: don't fight about it, whereas they fight about all kinds

770
00:42:26,160 --> 00:42:29,040
Speaker 1: of other stuff. But the fact that no shame is

771
00:42:29,080 --> 00:42:32,520
Speaker 1: attached to Ladybird potentially having sex, I thought was really

772
00:42:32,520 --> 00:42:37,439
Speaker 1: awesome to see. I wonder if that's California. Yeah, because

773
00:42:37,480 --> 00:42:39,560
Speaker 1: you know, like you being from rural Pennsylvania, like there's

774
00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:45,200
Speaker 1: no way sex negative, Like I'm from a hate I'm Haitian,

775
00:42:45,239 --> 00:42:47,400
Speaker 1: I was born in Haiti, Like I'm from a very

776
00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:51,280
Speaker 1: immigrant background. Like that's very common for you know, parents

777
00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:53,480
Speaker 1: in those kinds of backgrounds to not be sex positive.

778
00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:57,240
Speaker 1: So but the people that I meet from California, particularly

779
00:42:57,239 --> 00:42:59,960
Speaker 1: San Francisco, of course, But like I'm imagining even play

780
00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:02,359
Speaker 1: is like Sacramento. I'm wondering if it is a little

781
00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:06,080
Speaker 1: bit more open and a little bit more there's more

782
00:43:06,160 --> 00:43:09,000
Speaker 1: education and people are more laid back about young people

783
00:43:09,040 --> 00:43:11,239
Speaker 1: having sex, not even like laid back, because there's no

784
00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:16,680
Speaker 1: reason to be bananas about it, just more understanding. I

785
00:43:16,719 --> 00:43:21,279
Speaker 1: guess accepting people because I thought that same California thing

786
00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:24,040
Speaker 1: when we see how chill the nuns are. I was like, oh,

787
00:43:24,080 --> 00:43:32,120
Speaker 1: these are some California nus. They're unborgettable. You did not

788
00:43:32,239 --> 00:43:36,080
Speaker 1: just oh my god, man, I man shout out to

789
00:43:36,120 --> 00:43:40,840
Speaker 1: the nuns having fun calendar Nuns. You ever have the

790
00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:45,239
Speaker 1: nuns having fun calendar? Everyone? Oh dude, yeah. For my

791
00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:47,800
Speaker 1: aunt is like really into the duns having fun calendar.

792
00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:50,160
Speaker 1: I thought that was making a joke. No check no,

793
00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:52,839
Speaker 1: check it out, like if you it's one of the

794
00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:55,600
Speaker 1: better Google image searches. You can be nuns having fun.

795
00:43:55,600 --> 00:43:58,319
Speaker 1: They're doing all sorts of stuff. They're they're at the beach,

796
00:43:58,400 --> 00:44:01,240
Speaker 1: they're they're they're climbing a I have a very specific

797
00:44:01,280 --> 00:44:03,920
Speaker 1: image of a bunch of nuns in a tree. Just

798
00:44:04,080 --> 00:44:06,880
Speaker 1: smile and you're like, great, this is they're having fun. Anyways,

799
00:44:07,200 --> 00:44:09,600
Speaker 1: the nuns are very chill in this movie, yes, which

800
00:44:09,640 --> 00:44:14,160
Speaker 1: I thought was a fun choice of the things that

801
00:44:14,200 --> 00:44:16,880
Speaker 1: you would assume in like a coming of age movie

802
00:44:17,600 --> 00:44:20,759
Speaker 1: would provide the most resistance. Kind of don't in this

803
00:44:20,840 --> 00:44:23,440
Speaker 1: movie where I you know, when it opened at a

804
00:44:23,480 --> 00:44:25,760
Speaker 1: religious school, I'm like, oh, there's going to be some

805
00:44:26,239 --> 00:44:30,000
Speaker 1: religion struggle in this, but that's not really where the

806
00:44:30,040 --> 00:44:33,000
Speaker 1: movie chooses to go um, which I thought was like

807
00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:39,279
Speaker 1: cool and smart. Yeah, the non representation in cinema is like,

808
00:44:39,480 --> 00:44:50,120
Speaker 1: you know these well, my nun representation as sisters, that's

809
00:44:50,160 --> 00:44:51,880
Speaker 1: all I've ever seen. And I'm just like, nuns are

810
00:44:51,920 --> 00:44:54,279
Speaker 1: always portrayed awesome and like their lives are awesome, And

811
00:44:54,320 --> 00:44:56,080
Speaker 1: I almost wonder if it's because they don't have to

812
00:44:56,880 --> 00:44:59,000
Speaker 1: men don't have to be attracted to them, so they

813
00:44:59,000 --> 00:45:01,200
Speaker 1: don't have to be represent it as anything but fun

814
00:45:01,200 --> 00:45:05,600
Speaker 1: and cool and care for you because they love one man.

815
00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:12,879
Speaker 1: And uh. Doubt my favorite movie of all time. It's

816
00:45:12,920 --> 00:45:14,880
Speaker 1: one of my favorites. I've seen Doubts so many. I

817
00:45:14,920 --> 00:45:17,919
Speaker 1: don't know why. It speaks to ye dark. It's very dark.

818
00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:19,840
Speaker 1: I watched it a couple of times a year. It

819
00:45:19,960 --> 00:45:23,480
Speaker 1: is in your head. It's it's an actor's film. I

820
00:45:23,560 --> 00:45:28,319
Speaker 1: love it. It's all five everyone across the board. Beautiful work.

821
00:45:28,520 --> 00:45:31,640
Speaker 1: It is beautiful acting in that film. Doubt passes the

822
00:45:31,680 --> 00:45:35,719
Speaker 1: Bechdel test easy, easy, because it's like Amy Adams and

823
00:45:35,800 --> 00:45:39,239
Speaker 1: Meryl Street design the word doubt back and forth. Doubt.

824
00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:42,839
Speaker 1: I got doubt. But don't doubt they have doubt in

825
00:45:43,080 --> 00:45:46,200
Speaker 1: men they have Well, yeah, I mean the job will

826
00:45:46,360 --> 00:45:49,800
Speaker 1: that passing the Bechtel test. We're going to talk about doubt.

827
00:45:50,120 --> 00:45:52,040
Speaker 1: We'll do the episode that's going to be a five

828
00:45:52,080 --> 00:45:55,680
Speaker 1: hour barn burner of a beck song cast episode. Is

829
00:45:55,719 --> 00:45:58,560
Speaker 1: because I feel like I talked about doubting every Yeah,

830
00:45:58,640 --> 00:46:04,160
Speaker 1: that's true. Dot is become our new Titanic almost although yeah,

831
00:46:04,320 --> 00:46:08,920
Speaker 1: we really talk about Titanic a lot. It's good taste.

832
00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:12,960
Speaker 1: As you can tell that it does. It's because she

833
00:46:12,960 --> 00:46:15,640
Speaker 1: talks to her mom. Titanic fair is way better than

834
00:46:15,680 --> 00:46:19,000
Speaker 1: you would think on almost every really trying to think

835
00:46:19,000 --> 00:46:21,719
Speaker 1: of what conversations has she have had that word about

836
00:46:21,760 --> 00:46:24,399
Speaker 1: her husband? Well, and then also at the beginning, it's

837
00:46:24,400 --> 00:46:29,080
Speaker 1: like the old lady and her granddaughter granddaughter talk. Kathy

838
00:46:29,120 --> 00:46:32,319
Speaker 1: Bates talks to other women there. So I mean, it's

839
00:46:32,320 --> 00:46:34,520
Speaker 1: not not the best, but it does weigh better than

840
00:46:34,560 --> 00:46:39,200
Speaker 1: you think. Back to Ladybird though, I couldn't help but

841
00:46:39,239 --> 00:46:42,360
Speaker 1: notice how many people you see crying in this movie,

842
00:46:42,560 --> 00:46:46,239
Speaker 1: and how several of them are men, Because you see

843
00:46:46,320 --> 00:46:49,360
Speaker 1: Danny crying, you see that priest crying, who's like directing

844
00:46:49,520 --> 00:46:55,160
Speaker 1: the school musical God, that was what a beautiful tragic character. Yeah,

845
00:46:55,680 --> 00:46:58,160
Speaker 1: I wish you maybe found out a little well. So

846
00:46:58,239 --> 00:47:02,680
Speaker 1: you see a scene where he's making to Ladybird's mom

847
00:47:02,719 --> 00:47:05,359
Speaker 1: in the psychiatric hospital, and you don't know exactly what's

848
00:47:05,400 --> 00:47:07,279
Speaker 1: going on, except you can kind of assume that he

849
00:47:07,719 --> 00:47:10,000
Speaker 1: is probably still grieving from the death of his son

850
00:47:10,640 --> 00:47:14,520
Speaker 1: and depressed. And I felt so like whenever she's like,

851
00:47:14,560 --> 00:47:16,000
Speaker 1: do you have a support system and he's like, what

852
00:47:16,040 --> 00:47:17,759
Speaker 1: do you mean, Like, do you have anyone you can

853
00:47:17,800 --> 00:47:20,120
Speaker 1: talk to when you feel this way? And he said no,

854
00:47:20,200 --> 00:47:22,920
Speaker 1: not really, I was like, Oh, my heart is breaking

855
00:47:22,960 --> 00:47:26,279
Speaker 1: for this man. And again it's just like the writing

856
00:47:26,320 --> 00:47:28,160
Speaker 1: of this movie is so good. Is we barely see

857
00:47:28,160 --> 00:47:30,279
Speaker 1: that character and he still we still have such a

858
00:47:30,360 --> 00:47:33,520
Speaker 1: strong emotional response to it. And it's really funny line too,

859
00:47:33,600 --> 00:47:36,480
Speaker 1: after after the drama show and then he's like they

860
00:47:36,480 --> 00:47:40,959
Speaker 1: didn't understand. It reminded me in my high school theater

861
00:47:41,080 --> 00:47:46,640
Speaker 1: director to mental health is addressed again whenever Ladybird goes

862
00:47:46,680 --> 00:47:50,680
Speaker 1: into Julie's house before they go to prom, and Julie

863
00:47:50,719 --> 00:47:52,640
Speaker 1: is just crying and she's like, what's happening? Why are

864
00:47:52,640 --> 00:47:54,399
Speaker 1: you crying? And she's like I'm just crying and she's

865
00:47:54,440 --> 00:47:57,440
Speaker 1: like what, and she's like, some people just aren't built happy.

866
00:47:57,840 --> 00:48:00,319
Speaker 1: And I was like, and I think that they dress

867
00:48:00,320 --> 00:48:03,239
Speaker 1: it with the father character too, Oh yeah, yeah, because

868
00:48:03,239 --> 00:48:06,600
Speaker 1: he's on antidepressant. He's an antidepressant, and then Lady Ver,

869
00:48:06,719 --> 00:48:10,120
Speaker 1: his mom is sensitive to it until sometimes she'll just

870
00:48:10,200 --> 00:48:12,520
Speaker 1: use it as sort of like an argument chip of

871
00:48:12,560 --> 00:48:15,279
Speaker 1: like your father is depressed, and stop, so stop being

872
00:48:15,320 --> 00:48:18,799
Speaker 1: such a fucking bummer, Like yeah, but I thought that

873
00:48:18,800 --> 00:48:21,040
Speaker 1: that was interesting too, of like, yeah, I guess we

874
00:48:21,239 --> 00:48:23,800
Speaker 1: do see like men dealing with I actually missed the

875
00:48:23,880 --> 00:48:27,360
Speaker 1: Julie being depressed part because she wasn't going to go

876
00:48:27,400 --> 00:48:28,800
Speaker 1: to prom, so I thought she was crying about that

877
00:48:28,840 --> 00:48:31,359
Speaker 1: and just didn't want to admit that. I wasn't sure

878
00:48:31,400 --> 00:48:33,880
Speaker 1: what that moment. That's what I thought that moment was interesting.

879
00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:37,160
Speaker 1: I interpreted it because of her I think that that's

880
00:48:37,200 --> 00:48:39,719
Speaker 1: easy to assume. But then when she says, you know,

881
00:48:39,800 --> 00:48:42,480
Speaker 1: some people just aren't built happy, I just I thought

882
00:48:42,480 --> 00:48:44,840
Speaker 1: she was maybe just having sort of a depressive episode,

883
00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:48,120
Speaker 1: and but I don't know, Yeah, maybe you're right. And

884
00:48:48,120 --> 00:48:50,360
Speaker 1: they got a prown together, yeah, and then they and

885
00:48:50,400 --> 00:48:52,560
Speaker 1: they do have a really nice time, and if she

886
00:48:52,600 --> 00:48:54,880
Speaker 1: had been depressed, I hope A Ladybird helped kind of

887
00:48:55,600 --> 00:48:58,000
Speaker 1: alleviate that for at least a little while. Did you

888
00:48:58,120 --> 00:48:59,840
Speaker 1: did you see the picture that was sort of like

889
00:49:00,000 --> 00:49:04,160
Speaker 1: circulated around of Greta growing directing that scene. I think so, yeah,

890
00:49:04,160 --> 00:49:07,200
Speaker 1: she were she wore a prom dress to direct that.

891
00:49:09,040 --> 00:49:11,799
Speaker 1: It's like, it's so nice. I wonder if she's like

892
00:49:12,040 --> 00:49:18,440
Speaker 1: super like weird girl. Well, granted Garwig is, because I personally,

893
00:49:18,640 --> 00:49:20,960
Speaker 1: I mean her most. I would say Frances Hall was

894
00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:25,680
Speaker 1: her big thing. And I cannot stand Frances Hall. I

895
00:49:25,719 --> 00:49:29,520
Speaker 1: didn't get it. Yeah, I'm like, who was this? What's

896
00:49:29,560 --> 00:49:33,319
Speaker 1: going on? Who was that movie before? And and I

897
00:49:33,320 --> 00:49:35,279
Speaker 1: couldn't stand her character and it I was like, what

898
00:49:35,400 --> 00:49:38,640
Speaker 1: is she doing? She's the whole dancing in the street

899
00:49:38,760 --> 00:49:41,360
Speaker 1: vibe to France. F Oh, I didn't. I think I

900
00:49:41,400 --> 00:49:44,120
Speaker 1: only watched the first twenty five minutes of it and

901
00:49:44,120 --> 00:49:46,560
Speaker 1: then we never went back to it. And that that

902
00:49:46,640 --> 00:49:49,400
Speaker 1: was really my only experience of Greta Gerwick prior to

903
00:49:49,960 --> 00:49:51,799
Speaker 1: knowing that she had made this movie. Like I knew

904
00:49:51,800 --> 00:49:55,839
Speaker 1: who she was, Like she's randomly in the JACKIEO biopic

905
00:49:56,200 --> 00:49:58,799
Speaker 1: for some reason, like so like I knew she was,

906
00:49:58,840 --> 00:50:00,960
Speaker 1: but I was like, oh, the Francis Holly, I don't

907
00:50:01,000 --> 00:50:04,040
Speaker 1: want to see this. But it turns out that she

908
00:50:04,400 --> 00:50:08,360
Speaker 1: is better than friends, like it was just it was

909
00:50:08,400 --> 00:50:10,960
Speaker 1: exciting and now I'm fully teamed credit. Actually, I think

910
00:50:10,960 --> 00:50:12,560
Speaker 1: she's brilliant. I would love to meet her one day.

911
00:50:12,560 --> 00:50:14,960
Speaker 1: I hope she is weird. I always she's got it

912
00:50:15,920 --> 00:50:19,839
Speaker 1: if you want to come on the podcast to Velvet. Sorry,

913
00:50:20,719 --> 00:50:25,600
Speaker 1: sorry about friends, I said about Francis, HA, when you

914
00:50:25,600 --> 00:50:28,279
Speaker 1: put out your art, that's what happens. Yeah. Yeah, I'm

915
00:50:28,280 --> 00:50:30,960
Speaker 1: sure there's people you can't imagine. There's many, but I'm

916
00:50:30,960 --> 00:50:32,640
Speaker 1: sure there's people out there who don't even like the

917
00:50:32,680 --> 00:50:41,480
Speaker 1: Bechdel cast. So they talked about doubt too much main

918
00:50:41,560 --> 00:50:47,160
Speaker 1: criticism and also it's very impressive given the sheer number

919
00:50:47,239 --> 00:50:50,320
Speaker 1: of characters we see in this movie, of how every

920
00:50:50,400 --> 00:50:54,480
Speaker 1: character has their moment pretty much. There wasn't like there

921
00:50:54,560 --> 00:50:57,440
Speaker 1: wasn't the symptom of too many characters and then we

922
00:50:57,520 --> 00:50:59,960
Speaker 1: just lose some, although I do wish we'd see more.

923
00:51:00,239 --> 00:51:04,480
Speaker 1: N You guys love this character. I loved I'm in Vivlin.

924
00:51:04,560 --> 00:51:08,799
Speaker 1: I do definitely hate Timothy chardon Ay. I like him

925
00:51:08,840 --> 00:51:11,279
Speaker 1: as an actor. I hate his character, but even he

926
00:51:11,320 --> 00:51:13,879
Speaker 1: gets a moment too of like he has a little

927
00:51:13,880 --> 00:51:15,960
Speaker 1: bit of depth, and you know, he's like he's a

928
00:51:15,960 --> 00:51:21,040
Speaker 1: piece of ship and as shitty the Ladybird, but Ladybird's

929
00:51:21,320 --> 00:51:24,399
Speaker 1: kind of shitty, and and he has a sick dad,

930
00:51:24,400 --> 00:51:27,080
Speaker 1: and it's like, you know, I don't know. The scene

931
00:51:27,080 --> 00:51:30,040
Speaker 1: where she loses her virginity to him and then she

932
00:51:30,160 --> 00:51:32,960
Speaker 1: thinks that he has also lost his virginity to her,

933
00:51:33,040 --> 00:51:35,319
Speaker 1: and she's like, wow, we took each other's flowers and

934
00:51:35,360 --> 00:51:38,680
Speaker 1: he's like, nah, I've had sex with maybe six other people.

935
00:51:38,719 --> 00:51:41,240
Speaker 1: I don't know. It's like shut up quipping so cool,

936
00:51:42,080 --> 00:51:44,560
Speaker 1: and then that and she's like, how could you not

937
00:51:44,680 --> 00:51:48,560
Speaker 1: even know if it's six people? I've definitely like said

938
00:51:48,640 --> 00:51:51,120
Speaker 1: that when I was like younger to be like how

939
00:51:51,120 --> 00:51:54,400
Speaker 1: do you not know the exact number and order? What's

940
00:51:54,400 --> 00:51:57,960
Speaker 1: wrong with you? But that really upsets her because she says,

941
00:51:58,040 --> 00:52:00,319
Speaker 1: like I thought we were like sharing the experien It's

942
00:52:00,320 --> 00:52:02,880
Speaker 1: like this my whole experience or my perception. This is

943
00:52:02,920 --> 00:52:05,480
Speaker 1: completely wrong. And then the scene right after that, her

944
00:52:05,520 --> 00:52:08,400
Speaker 1: mom picks her up and she on the verge of tears,

945
00:52:08,520 --> 00:52:10,520
Speaker 1: and her mom's like, what's wrong, and then she just

946
00:52:10,600 --> 00:52:14,279
Speaker 1: kind of sinks into her mom's embrace, and it's like,

947
00:52:14,360 --> 00:52:17,120
Speaker 1: you see this really tender moment between these two characters

948
00:52:17,160 --> 00:52:20,120
Speaker 1: who you're usually seeing fighting, but I like the balance

949
00:52:20,160 --> 00:52:22,920
Speaker 1: of them fighting but then also having like warm, tender

950
00:52:22,960 --> 00:52:25,560
Speaker 1: moments like that is just like, really, I don't know

951
00:52:25,600 --> 00:52:30,080
Speaker 1: it just it's my robot heart that usually doesn't respond

952
00:52:30,239 --> 00:52:33,480
Speaker 1: emotionally to things unless it's padding to inter Paddington two,

953
00:52:36,080 --> 00:52:38,560
Speaker 1: I really felt something there and I didn't do has

954
00:52:38,560 --> 00:52:41,760
Speaker 1: a perfect score and written to too is the best movie.

955
00:52:43,000 --> 00:52:46,600
Speaker 1: I haven't padding to everyone who can't see it. Kaitlin

956
00:52:46,680 --> 00:52:52,360
Speaker 1: just gave me a look. I've never known you to

957
00:52:52,400 --> 00:52:56,200
Speaker 1: have such a strong and you have strong opinions on

958
00:52:56,239 --> 00:53:00,040
Speaker 1: a lot of things, but nothing is stronger than padding to.

959
00:53:01,200 --> 00:53:04,320
Speaker 1: It's it's a live action except the bear Paddington. Paddington

960
00:53:04,320 --> 00:53:08,480
Speaker 1: Bear is c g I. The first movie is terrific.

961
00:53:08,600 --> 00:53:14,600
Speaker 1: The second movie is even better. It's it's so good

962
00:53:16,480 --> 00:53:18,440
Speaker 1: it is hard to believe, especially because the movies are

963
00:53:18,440 --> 00:53:22,000
Speaker 1: not marketed well because it's their children and family movies.

964
00:53:22,040 --> 00:53:25,000
Speaker 1: So I won't get into it. Just know that Paddington

965
00:53:25,040 --> 00:53:28,520
Speaker 1: two is the best movie of this century. So that's all. Yeah,

966
00:53:28,840 --> 00:53:31,600
Speaker 1: what's the story? Like, quick, quick, like, what is it about?

967
00:53:32,480 --> 00:53:34,839
Speaker 1: Paddington is a bear who lives in Peru. He gets

968
00:53:34,880 --> 00:53:37,240
Speaker 1: displaced by an earthquake. He has to move to London.

969
00:53:37,400 --> 00:53:39,400
Speaker 1: This is Paddington one. He's looking for a family to

970
00:53:39,440 --> 00:53:41,920
Speaker 1: take him in. And then this family finds him. The

971
00:53:41,960 --> 00:53:46,640
Speaker 1: father is like, oh, a bear. No, and mom is like, no,

972
00:53:46,760 --> 00:53:49,799
Speaker 1: we have to help this bear. It's an allegory for

973
00:53:49,840 --> 00:53:52,839
Speaker 1: immigration and racism and it's so good. And then they

974
00:53:52,880 --> 00:53:54,880
Speaker 1: take him in and they try to help him find

975
00:53:54,960 --> 00:53:58,280
Speaker 1: this explorer and they won't spoil it. And then Paddington two,

976
00:53:58,320 --> 00:54:01,480
Speaker 1: he's in the family. Now he gets wrongfully accused of

977
00:54:01,480 --> 00:54:05,560
Speaker 1: a crime. Hugh Grant gives the performance of a lifetime. Wow,

978
00:54:05,680 --> 00:54:09,080
Speaker 1: this is an epic movie. Yes, it's great. Yeah, yeah,

979
00:54:09,120 --> 00:54:15,080
Speaker 1: so check out Paddington and Paddington Too, hand Ladybirds and

980
00:54:15,160 --> 00:54:18,200
Speaker 1: The Shape of Water with My new boyfriend fishes. But

981
00:54:19,600 --> 00:54:23,160
Speaker 1: the movie is pretty good. It's a good love story.

982
00:54:23,320 --> 00:54:26,240
Speaker 1: But you go for the hot fish. The fish is hot,

983
00:54:26,719 --> 00:54:29,719
Speaker 1: so yeah. I mean, there's no there's truly no shortage

984
00:54:29,760 --> 00:54:33,120
Speaker 1: of good movies right now. Don't see the post. Don't

985
00:54:33,160 --> 00:54:36,040
Speaker 1: see that, really, skip the post. Oh no, but that

986
00:54:36,160 --> 00:54:39,080
Speaker 1: screenwriter is like a first time writer and she's so cool,

987
00:54:39,520 --> 00:54:43,040
Speaker 1: and I think that's I think that Steven Spielberg kind

988
00:54:43,080 --> 00:54:45,920
Speaker 1: of biffs it up by yeah, just by with a

989
00:54:45,960 --> 00:54:48,760
Speaker 1: bunch of just like the the story is not the problem.

990
00:54:48,760 --> 00:54:51,720
Speaker 1: It's just like the way it's shot. It's so oscar

991
00:54:51,840 --> 00:54:54,880
Speaker 1: baby in the way it looks, and you know, I

992
00:54:54,920 --> 00:54:56,959
Speaker 1: haven't heard it's just you know, one of the reasons

993
00:54:57,000 --> 00:54:58,319
Speaker 1: why I haven't gone to see it is because no

994
00:54:58,320 --> 00:54:59,960
Speaker 1: one is talking about it, Like I haven't heard any

995
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:02,320
Speaker 1: would be like, you gotta go see the posts because

996
00:55:02,360 --> 00:55:08,799
Speaker 1: you don't. Tania amazing, no way, so good. Yeah, check

997
00:55:08,840 --> 00:55:13,080
Speaker 1: out our Eitania Patreon episode coming out. Um. One last

998
00:55:13,080 --> 00:55:15,480
Speaker 1: thing I wanted to say about Ladybird is that it's

999
00:55:15,520 --> 00:55:19,160
Speaker 1: a very white movie. You do see two people of

1000
00:55:19,200 --> 00:55:23,080
Speaker 1: color characters, and Miguel and Shelly. The fact that those

1001
00:55:23,160 --> 00:55:26,279
Speaker 1: characters are sort of to me, they felt sidelined. It

1002
00:55:26,360 --> 00:55:28,040
Speaker 1: was kind of crazy that, you know, this is a

1003
00:55:28,080 --> 00:55:32,600
Speaker 1: movie about Ladybird and her home life and her like

1004
00:55:33,000 --> 00:55:36,040
Speaker 1: year leading up to leaving her family. The fact that

1005
00:55:36,080 --> 00:55:39,120
Speaker 1: those are the two characters that we see the like

1006
00:55:39,280 --> 00:55:42,880
Speaker 1: least of screen time wise, and they feel the least developed,

1007
00:55:42,880 --> 00:55:44,799
Speaker 1: Like I don't know, I just feel, like I mentioned

1008
00:55:44,840 --> 00:55:46,120
Speaker 1: this before, I just wish we had seen more of

1009
00:55:46,160 --> 00:55:50,200
Speaker 1: those characters. I mean, I do think they were sidelined

1010
00:55:50,280 --> 00:55:52,400
Speaker 1: and I don't think they were cast really great. They

1011
00:55:52,440 --> 00:55:55,480
Speaker 1: didn't have like really great like even when they were

1012
00:55:55,600 --> 00:55:59,040
Speaker 1: on camera, they didn't really shine to me. So I thought,

1013
00:55:59,440 --> 00:56:02,080
Speaker 1: I am ad that maybe that was part of the problem,

1014
00:56:02,120 --> 00:56:04,160
Speaker 1: like you don't really want to put them in more

1015
00:56:04,200 --> 00:56:07,720
Speaker 1: because they're not really owning the scenes that they're in. So,

1016
00:56:08,320 --> 00:56:12,640
Speaker 1: I mean, I thought for such a white movie to like,

1017
00:56:12,719 --> 00:56:14,680
Speaker 1: I I didn't feel like it was that bad. Like

1018
00:56:14,719 --> 00:56:17,319
Speaker 1: I really felt like, because it is it's a movie

1019
00:56:17,360 --> 00:56:20,239
Speaker 1: about a white girl and her mother and their relationship.

1020
00:56:20,280 --> 00:56:22,920
Speaker 1: I don't think it was about these characters. And I

1021
00:56:22,920 --> 00:56:25,400
Speaker 1: think the way that they handled the race, the different

1022
00:56:25,480 --> 00:56:28,240
Speaker 1: races is great because they didn't put them in scenes

1023
00:56:28,280 --> 00:56:31,160
Speaker 1: and then make jokes about their race or you know,

1024
00:56:31,320 --> 00:56:34,520
Speaker 1: or like the punchline isn't their race, you know? Or like,

1025
00:56:34,560 --> 00:56:36,520
Speaker 1: And then the one time it does come up, Lady

1026
00:56:36,520 --> 00:56:41,319
Speaker 1: Bird's immediately told the fun and they don't ignore it either.

1027
00:56:41,360 --> 00:56:44,960
Speaker 1: They totally call out that they're different races. But it's

1028
00:56:45,000 --> 00:56:47,640
Speaker 1: not like they don't make fun of it. They don't.

1029
00:56:47,760 --> 00:56:50,600
Speaker 1: It's like it's it's well handled for this film. You know,

1030
00:56:50,880 --> 00:56:54,880
Speaker 1: I don't know what the demographics of Sacramento that was

1031
00:56:54,880 --> 00:56:56,640
Speaker 1: part of this, Like this is a very white movie,

1032
00:56:56,640 --> 00:56:58,680
Speaker 1: but it's a period piece in a very specific place,

1033
00:56:58,719 --> 00:57:00,919
Speaker 1: and maybe that's what it would have looked like. I'm

1034
00:57:00,920 --> 00:57:04,040
Speaker 1: not totally sure, though. I was looking like you know

1035
00:57:04,200 --> 00:57:09,040
Speaker 1: too that as at West Game all. Does anyone have

1036
00:57:09,080 --> 00:57:10,799
Speaker 1: anything else you want to say about labor? I think

1037
00:57:10,840 --> 00:57:12,840
Speaker 1: you just see Ladybird and it's a great movie. You

1038
00:57:12,840 --> 00:57:15,279
Speaker 1: guys haven't seen it. It's it's like if you want

1039
00:57:15,320 --> 00:57:22,280
Speaker 1: good storytelling, great acting by Laurie Metcalfe, and it's like

1040
00:57:22,320 --> 00:57:24,360
Speaker 1: sweet and fun and easy to watch and like you

1041
00:57:24,480 --> 00:57:27,560
Speaker 1: might cry at the end, maybe yeah. I had like

1042
00:57:27,880 --> 00:57:29,919
Speaker 1: five different moments of you know, like a two second

1043
00:57:29,960 --> 00:57:32,520
Speaker 1: cry where you're like yeah and then it's over. I

1044
00:57:32,560 --> 00:57:35,120
Speaker 1: had a bunch of those. My cry was when they're

1045
00:57:35,160 --> 00:57:38,480
Speaker 1: dropping Ladybird off at the airport and her mother refuses

1046
00:57:38,520 --> 00:57:40,440
Speaker 1: to go out and say goodbye to her or even

1047
00:57:40,480 --> 00:57:42,680
Speaker 1: look at her, and then she drives around the block

1048
00:57:42,760 --> 00:57:45,800
Speaker 1: and you know, runs into the dad's arms crying. She's

1049
00:57:45,800 --> 00:57:47,840
Speaker 1: gonna like, yeah, I thought that was beautiful. Yeah, it

1050
00:57:47,880 --> 00:57:52,200
Speaker 1: really was. Yeah. So, as we alluded to earlier, this

1051
00:57:52,240 --> 00:57:55,560
Speaker 1: movie for sure passes the Bechdel test. Ladybird's talking to

1052
00:57:55,640 --> 00:57:58,280
Speaker 1: her mom, she's talking to Julie, she's talking to Jenna,

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Speaker 1: she talks to Shelley, talks to the cool nuns, nuns,

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Speaker 1: all kinds of characters, talks to her. She talks to

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Speaker 1: her guidance counselor wasn't her guidance counselor a black woman? Yes, yes,

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Speaker 1: I don't know if we ever it's very quick scene. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I don't know if we ever learned her name. So

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Speaker 1: I don't know if I seen technically passes got it.

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Speaker 1: But that was a fun scene of like Lady Bears like,

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure if I have the grades to get

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Speaker 1: into a good school, and she like, last you do not,

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Speaker 1: so you know. Yeah. So they're often talking about school

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Speaker 1: or Sacramento or applying to colleges and all kinds of

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Speaker 1: stuff that are not about boys. It's amazing, but they

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Speaker 1: also do talk about boys, which is high school. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: There's also a sweet moment in the pool with Jenna

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Speaker 1: when Ladybird asked her what she wants to do in

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Speaker 1: Jenna's as she wants to be a mom, and I

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Speaker 1: was like, wow, I didn't see coming. That was sweet.

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Speaker 1: There's oh. I guess we didn't really have time to

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Speaker 1: talk about the Jenna character, but I thought that she

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Speaker 1: was another small character who is serviced pretty well by

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Speaker 1: this movie. I agree, where when we first see her,

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Speaker 1: it's like almost draw the conclusion of how the character

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Speaker 1: will be treated, which is like, oh, she's going to

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Speaker 1: be you know, villainized or whatever, and she is a

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Speaker 1: little bit and you know, and you see in the

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Speaker 1: way high school girls sometimes are, like, you see what

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Speaker 1: Jenna is going for, but then you do see those

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Speaker 1: like human moments, and I agree. And she's actually the

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Speaker 1: one who's hurt at the end of the movie because

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Speaker 1: Ladybird lies to her about where she and she says

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Speaker 1: something like, I don't even I can't even begin to

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Speaker 1: understand why someone would lie about that. So you could

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Speaker 1: see that Jenna was genuinely in it for the friendship

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Speaker 1: and they weren't friends anymore because of Ladybird's being a

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Speaker 1: stupid liar. R so I heard such she is. But

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Speaker 1: Gretta does an excellent job at like putting layers into

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Speaker 1: these characters for sure. I also liked that scene between

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Speaker 1: Ladybird and Julie where Julie's like, Jenna is a moron.

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Speaker 1: She's like, no, she's an ap calculu. She's like she's

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Speaker 1: a moron in a deeper sense. I also loved the

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Speaker 1: portrayal of a happy marriage that was financially unstable, you know,

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Speaker 1: like I was like the stressors of life, and yet

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01:00:12,160 --> 01:00:14,840
Speaker 1: they managed to keep their marriage happy, which I like

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Speaker 1: and that much, and speaking to like the beta when

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01:00:17,800 --> 01:00:20,720
Speaker 1: we've called them Beta Daddy at this point. But but

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Speaker 1: seeing a man in a marriage and is in the

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Speaker 1: beta role and is you know, quote unquote emasculated in

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Speaker 1: a sense when he can't find a job and he

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Speaker 1: is depressed. But I think when we see characters like that,

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Speaker 1: especially male characters, a lot um, it's like we're supposed

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Speaker 1: to believe, like and it's killing him. She wants to

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Speaker 1: be the alpha so bad, but this character doesn't. And

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Speaker 1: it's totally seems very much like Lori's. I mean, I

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Speaker 1: don't remember the name of her character, Marian. He's very

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Speaker 1: much Marian's emotional support and you can tell that she

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01:00:54,400 --> 01:00:57,400
Speaker 1: respects him very much for that which I loved to

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Speaker 1: see a lot of troops that you see over and

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Speaker 1: over again in mainstream Hollywood movies are totally subverted in

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Speaker 1: this movie and it's just like really awesome to see.

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Speaker 1: With that, let us rate the movie on our nipple

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Speaker 1: scale zero to five nipples. We rate based on its

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Speaker 1: portrayal of women. I'm gonna give five nipples, I agree to. Yeah,

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01:01:17,920 --> 01:01:23,520
Speaker 1: I give it five nipples. Yeah, five nipples never happened.

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Speaker 1: The characterization is really great, and yeah, I love a

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Speaker 1: flawed female protagonist. We don't get to see flawed female

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Speaker 1: protagonists enough, and there are a number of movies out

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Speaker 1: right now with very flawed female protagonists that even though

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Speaker 1: they're lying and doing you know, stuff that's fucked up,

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Speaker 1: the writing is there and you can see yourself in it.

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Speaker 1: Like watching this movie as a personal experience and I look, well, Charlotte,

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Speaker 1: thank you so much for being here. Thank you for

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Speaker 1: having me. Guys, I had so much fun talking about

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Speaker 1: this movie. Where can people find you online? Do you

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Speaker 1: have anything you'd like to plug? Yes? You can find

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Speaker 1: on Instagram I'm Charlotte face and I run a show

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Speaker 1: live show. Come on down. Tickets are ten dollars and

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Speaker 1: we're going to have our brand new merch for sale there,

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Speaker 1: to meet Yeah, and you can meet us to our

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Speaker 1: you know, your favorite celebrities, Caitlin and Jamie will be

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Speaker 1: dancers will be there. You've never heard our backup dancers before,

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Speaker 1: but they're always here. They're always dancing quietly. Yeah, So

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Speaker 1: Thanks for listening, Thanks for being here, Charlotte. Have a

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Speaker 1: great time everyone, and goodbye by