WEBVTT - Leprechaun Hallucinations

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Stuff to Blow Your Mind from how Stuff

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<v Speaker 1>Works dot com. Hey, welcome to Stuff to Blow your Mind.

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<v Speaker 1>My name is Robert lamp and I'm Julie Douglas. And

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<v Speaker 1>is this episode is coming to all you guys and

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<v Speaker 1>gals out there. It is, of course coming to your rights.

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<v Speaker 1>We're leading up into St. Patrick's Day, which I have

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<v Speaker 1>always loved St Patrick's Day. I don't have I'm basically

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<v Speaker 1>of Scotch German heritage, so I don't have that you know,

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<v Speaker 1>distinctive Irish roots link to it, and I don't have it,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I don't have the like the Catholic link

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<v Speaker 1>to it either. But from a very early age, like

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<v Speaker 1>my family was always into St. Patrick's Day. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>my mom's mom is a kindergarten teacher, so we would

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<v Speaker 1>have green things. We would eat green treats, green beer, well,

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<v Speaker 1>no green beer, but like maybe like a green cake

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<v Speaker 1>or a cupcake or something. And I still with St.

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<v Speaker 1>Patrick's Day comes around, I'm like, I need to eat

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<v Speaker 1>something that's green. I need to get like a pistatio

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<v Speaker 1>cupcake if the statuo pudding um. But more importantly, we

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<v Speaker 1>would to a certain extent, we would celebrate the the

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<v Speaker 1>Irish myth of the the lepri Con. We would always

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<v Speaker 1>watch Darby O Gil and the Little People, that classic

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<v Speaker 1>Disney film with Sean Connery in it. Wow, you guys

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<v Speaker 1>did it up. Yeah. Yeah, we were big into the holidays,

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<v Speaker 1>so we would always watch Darbo Gil and the Little People.

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<v Speaker 1>Sean Connery would sing and it was awesome. Lepri Cons

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<v Speaker 1>would run around, there was a banshee. Um, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>it was just it was a great film. I still

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<v Speaker 1>watch it from time to time. I just I feel

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<v Speaker 1>like this is really informed, like your ideas of creatures

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<v Speaker 1>in the world. Like somehow this is like an early

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<v Speaker 1>influence on you. Yeah, definitely. I mean we we really

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<v Speaker 1>got into Halloween and then we would really get My

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<v Speaker 1>big thing on on holidays is that if a holiday

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<v Speaker 1>has magic to it, then in creatures specifically, then it's great.

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<v Speaker 1>Like I can obviously Halloween. I love Christmas, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, the Christmas season can get a bit annoying

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<v Speaker 1>with this over commercial realization, but ultimately it's a season

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<v Speaker 1>in which, on one hand, you have a magical man

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<v Speaker 1>sneaking into your house to give you gifts. There's there's

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<v Speaker 1>Crampus running around beating people there's what's his name, Brumschnickel,

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<v Speaker 1>the the other Germanic holiday visitor. There at various takes

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<v Speaker 1>on St. Nick and then and if you get into

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<v Speaker 1>the more religious aspect of it too, you have like

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<v Speaker 1>the Son of God being born on earth. They're they're

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<v Speaker 1>all these fantastic things happening. St. Patrick's Day is also

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<v Speaker 1>in that vein, unlike Valentine's Day, where it's just about

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<v Speaker 1>people in love and stuff. But but St. Patty's Day

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<v Speaker 1>there's this backbone of myth and legend to it, and

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<v Speaker 1>uh and it's awesome. So so what is your background

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<v Speaker 1>with Leprika? Well, quickly, Valentine's Day clearly needs some sort

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<v Speaker 1>of creature because it's lacking that. We should really get

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<v Speaker 1>into the idea of brainstorming that with our listening. Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that's another a side project for all of us. Um

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<v Speaker 1>But for me, St. Pat's has just always been St. Pat's.

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<v Speaker 1>I gotta say, in my family it was sort of

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<v Speaker 1>like their Santa Claus is really like the dude down

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<v Speaker 1>the street who's dressing up in um Lepricrons don't exist

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<v Speaker 1>July really and happy fourth Birthday. I'm just kidding, no,

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<v Speaker 1>but really that wasn't. That's not really something that we

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<v Speaker 1>celebrated much. But I will say that the diminutive, diminutive

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<v Speaker 1>stature of lepri consays thought were fascinating as a little kid.

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<v Speaker 1>And what I find even more fascinating is that there

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<v Speaker 1>is a type of hallucination that deals with this, this

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<v Speaker 1>Liliputian quality um. And that's what we're going to talk

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<v Speaker 1>about today, because again in celebration of Patty's Day, but

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<v Speaker 1>also as a further investigation into how the mind works

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<v Speaker 1>and how it scales our reality. Yeah, so in this episode,

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<v Speaker 1>we're kicking off with a little pop culture lepricn shenanigans. Here.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to talk just a little bit about the

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<v Speaker 1>myth of a lepricn because I think it's it's ultimately

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<v Speaker 1>far deeper than Lucky Charms and Darby O Gill, and

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<v Speaker 1>I want to make sure I do that justice. And

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<v Speaker 1>then we're going to get into hallucinations and how uh

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<v Speaker 1>some of these hallucinations can contribute and and or possibly

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<v Speaker 1>are responsible for our visions of little people. That's right,

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<v Speaker 1>because as as we have mentioned, this is a sort

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<v Speaker 1>of sub type of hallucinations that exist across various conditions

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<v Speaker 1>that we'll get into. All right, So the Leprechnu from

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<v Speaker 1>Irish folklore, this is a fairy shoemaker uh and he's

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<v Speaker 1>and he goes by various names that include it really

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<v Speaker 1>depends on where you are in particular region of Ireland

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<v Speaker 1>uh and or the history books. So you have lucar

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<v Speaker 1>Pan and again this basically translates to little body. And

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<v Speaker 1>then there are various versions of that lubrican, Lubrican, lucar Pan, Luprican.

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<v Speaker 1>They are all these various takes on it. But as

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<v Speaker 1>the one that we really go with today, of course

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<v Speaker 1>is Leprecn. And the Lepricn is a is again a shoemaker.

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<v Speaker 1>You generally would see him with just a single shoe.

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<v Speaker 1>There would never be a second shoe around, which is

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<v Speaker 1>a little suspect and should have been a tip off.

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<v Speaker 1>Two people who end up messing with said Lepricn. This

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<v Speaker 1>is like waste management job, like you know, maybe that's

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<v Speaker 1>for Lepricn, the being issuemaker. Yeah, like you should be

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<v Speaker 1>a little aware that where's the other shoe. There's something

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<v Speaker 1>fishing going on also, and this is something that will

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<v Speaker 1>come up with especially if the Lepricn is pressed about

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<v Speaker 1>his personal belongings. Uh, he carries a purse, but the

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<v Speaker 1>purse only contains a single shilling, much like a pizza

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<v Speaker 1>delivery boy only carries twenty dollars or less. The idea

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<v Speaker 1>here is, oh, you're gonna try and steal me gold.

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<v Speaker 1>I only have this one shilling, but I may have

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<v Speaker 1>lots of gold elsewhere. That's the big thing. This idea

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<v Speaker 1>grows that lapricns have access to a massive quantity of gold,

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<v Speaker 1>and and certainly in the mythology they do. They're paid

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<v Speaker 1>by the ferry folk for what I'm not sure. I

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<v Speaker 1>guess repairing that one shoe over and over again. So

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<v Speaker 1>and there they save up their money and then they're

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<v Speaker 1>laundering the money. What kind of kind of money Launders

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<v Speaker 1>the lepricns up. But people get this in their mind, Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>there's a lepricn. If I capture the lepricn, then I

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<v Speaker 1>can get access to his fabulous gold. I can make

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<v Speaker 1>him tell me where it is. And later you get

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<v Speaker 1>into the idea of the lepricn gives you three wishes.

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<v Speaker 1>But ultimately the route is, if you catch a lepricn,

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<v Speaker 1>you can totally rob him of everything he owns. That's

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<v Speaker 1>how the the average lepri con chasing uh individual was

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<v Speaker 1>was thinking. So what would typically happen. I should say

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<v Speaker 1>that the classic story, of course, is the guy catches

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<v Speaker 1>the Lepricn and says, oh, take me to your gold.

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<v Speaker 1>And you have to know that if you look away

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<v Speaker 1>from the Lepricn at all, then he can vanish, he

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<v Speaker 1>can turn it visible. He's a supernatural creature with these

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<v Speaker 1>powers at his disposal. So what happens is the Lebricn says, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>I'll take you to the bush that I have the

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<v Speaker 1>gold buried beneath and so, and who knows if this

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<v Speaker 1>bush actually has the gold under it or not. Um

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<v Speaker 1>it works. The trick works well either way. But it

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<v Speaker 1>takes him out there and says, oh, it's under this bush.

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<v Speaker 1>And then the guy who's captured the Lepricn realizes I

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<v Speaker 1>don't have a shovel. I have no way of digging

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<v Speaker 1>up this goal. So he says, I know what I'll do.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll take this red bandana or this, uh, this kerchief

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<v Speaker 1>or whatever, and I'll tie it, tie this red kerchief

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<v Speaker 1>to this bush. Then I'll go home and I'll get

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<v Speaker 1>my shovel and I'll come back, So he lets the

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<v Speaker 1>lepricn free goes back home. He gets the shovel, comes back,

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<v Speaker 1>and what is the lepricn done. The lepricund is tied

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<v Speaker 1>the red kerchief to every bush and tree in sight,

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<v Speaker 1>so there's no way for him to remember which bush.

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<v Speaker 1>What's he gonna do dig up all of them? He'll

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<v Speaker 1>try for a little bit before he loses his mind,

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<v Speaker 1>I guess. But that's the trickster aspect of the Lepricn. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>see that just takes me back to the thirty rock maxim,

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<v Speaker 1>which is never follow a hippie to a second location.

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<v Speaker 1>Same thing with with the leprichn. Right, yeah, so he

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<v Speaker 1>the Elepricns engage in various tricks like this. They are

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<v Speaker 1>largely solitary creatures, though they do have a king name Lubden.

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<v Speaker 1>They're all males too, correct. Yeah, I did see some

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<v Speaker 1>possible mention of female Lepricns in the idea, being that

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<v Speaker 1>female lepricns do exist, but they're even more tricky, so

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<v Speaker 1>they're I guess they're harder to observe in nature. They're

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<v Speaker 1>making that second shoo, yeah, or may be their lesson

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<v Speaker 1>to messing around and and and deceiving humans. Because ultimately

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<v Speaker 1>the idea here is that lepricns are a type of

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<v Speaker 1>fairy folk. They are fairies and fairies. The notion of

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<v Speaker 1>fairy varies greatly around the world, but there exists a

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<v Speaker 1>nearly global idea of diminutive, magical humanoids and that are

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<v Speaker 1>out there in the world. Um often generally hidden from view,

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<v Speaker 1>kind of an underworld taking place, or you know, or

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<v Speaker 1>in the natural world or underground or you know, somewhere

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<v Speaker 1>that the humans are less likely to see them during

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<v Speaker 1>the course of their day. Uh. And they they vary

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<v Speaker 1>in temperament depending on the myths. Sometimes they are they're benign,

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<v Speaker 1>sometimes they're mischievous, sometimes they're they help humans out. Sometimes

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<v Speaker 1>they steal babies from cribs and replace them with changelings.

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<v Speaker 1>It it varies. Now. Folkustorian Carol rose Um, who I love,

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<v Speaker 1>I've always loved her, just to Encyclopedia's One about Monsters,

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<v Speaker 1>one more about Fairies, and uh uh I keep always

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<v Speaker 1>keeping by my desk next to Brewers and my other

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<v Speaker 1>monster books. But she divides fairies into two types. You

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<v Speaker 1>have trooping fairies, and these are fairies that have communities,

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<v Speaker 1>kingdoms and governments. And then you have solitary fairies. And

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<v Speaker 1>these are the ones kind of like the Lebricn, they're

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<v Speaker 1>more associated with up one place and they don't really

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<v Speaker 1>necessarily have as much to do with the rest of

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<v Speaker 1>their kind. So for the Irish, the most famous solitary

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<v Speaker 1>fairies are the Lebricn of course uh arguably the Banshee Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>And then you also have they're more famous trooping fairies,

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<v Speaker 1>the Dinners She formerly known as the two if the

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<v Speaker 1>Day Diana and which means the people of the Goddess Dna,

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<v Speaker 1>and these are a legendary race of super beings who

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<v Speaker 1>overthrew two other ancient people in primoral primordial Ireland that

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<v Speaker 1>included the monstrous fear bowls. These were the second inhabitants

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<v Speaker 1>of Ireland, Squat and Dark also known as the Corka

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<v Speaker 1>o d c the people of Darkness or the Corka

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<v Speaker 1>Do Widney the people of night Um. When the tu

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<v Speaker 1>efaddani Uh defeated, then they forcing the retreat into the

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<v Speaker 1>mountain caves and they kind of um, you know, devolved

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<v Speaker 1>into grotesque goblin like creatures in the ground. And then

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<v Speaker 1>they also defeated the Fomorians, who were themselves transformed into

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<v Speaker 1>grotesque demons when they fell to the invading fur box. So. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>what's really great about about Irish legend and myth is

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<v Speaker 1>that when you get past the Leprecn and the Banshee,

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<v Speaker 1>when you get past Darby O Gill and Lucky Charms

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<v Speaker 1>and the the awful Lepricn movies, there's this rich, powerful

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<v Speaker 1>epic story of these uh, these genocidal wars between these

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<v Speaker 1>different races of super beings. Because the dynasty, the Efaddan,

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<v Speaker 1>and they had all these intense magical powers at their disposal.

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<v Speaker 1>They could turn invisible, they could shape shift, they could

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<v Speaker 1>blink out of existence here and blink back into existence

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<v Speaker 1>over there. Uh. And they were always fighting these wars.

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<v Speaker 1>For instance, uh, they were fighting at one points against

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<v Speaker 1>the Fomorian chief bowler, who had an evil eye in

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<v Speaker 1>his forehead, destroyed all who looked upon it. And uh

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<v Speaker 1>and sometimes you see this is kind of like a

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<v Speaker 1>third eye in his head. Some depicted that way, others

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<v Speaker 1>depict him he's like a one eyed man with like

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<v Speaker 1>a Uh. The in the one eye has to be

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<v Speaker 1>covered because if anybody makes side contact with it, they die.

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<v Speaker 1>One of my favorite artistic examples of this, though, is

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<v Speaker 1>the idea that he has like one eye where his

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<v Speaker 1>two eyes should be, but his brow has grown out

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<v Speaker 1>into this grotesque flap that falls over his face, and

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<v Speaker 1>so to unleash the power of his eye in battle,

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<v Speaker 1>he has to have two people with like a wooden

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<v Speaker 1>pole come up and use that wooden pole to lift

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<v Speaker 1>his floppy brow up so that he can destroy them

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<v Speaker 1>with his sight. So, well, one more and then I'm done. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>And then also uh, the two fo they had done,

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<v Speaker 1>and they had a they had a king named Nuada,

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<v Speaker 1>and Nuada lost an arm in battle. Uh, and so

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<v Speaker 1>they replaced it with a silver arm, which they men

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<v Speaker 1>grew flesh over. So we had this amazing like magical

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<v Speaker 1>cybernetic arm. So okay, I'll stop now. No, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>when we get into prosthetics series, it's pretty crazy. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>What I'm trying to say is that they have a

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<v Speaker 1>rich cultural history UM, and some amazing mythology going on

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<v Speaker 1>there beyond the lepricn but all of this relates to

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<v Speaker 1>fairy for like. Eventually, the idea is that even these

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<v Speaker 1>magical people were defeated by essentially the modern day Celts.

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<v Speaker 1>And they drive all these magical people out into the

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<v Speaker 1>peripheries of the world, but you can still glimpse them,

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<v Speaker 1>you still see them sometimes. Well. See, this is what

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<v Speaker 1>I think is so interesting about it is that it

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<v Speaker 1>is so deeply ingrained in the cultural fabric, particularly and

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<v Speaker 1>when we talk about lebri cons in Ireland right, and

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<v Speaker 1>how this really informs everybody's perception of life. And I

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to point out a couple of things. One is

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<v Speaker 1>that lebri cons are protected under European Union law. Kid you, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>at least the ones that dwell in calling Ford in Ireland.

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<v Speaker 1>The directive is an effort to preserve the rich biodiversity

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<v Speaker 1>of the area called that's leab Foy Loop, which is

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<v Speaker 1>now a protected area for flora, fauna, wild animals and

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<v Speaker 1>lepri cons. And this is a directive that was stemmed

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<v Speaker 1>in part by a group of lobbyists who recounted a

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<v Speaker 1>tale in nine of p J O'Hare who happened to

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<v Speaker 1>be over by wishing well. This man and he heard

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<v Speaker 1>a scream, and he said he went to the wishing

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<v Speaker 1>well and he found um, first of all, a patch

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<v Speaker 1>of burnt ground. And beside this patch he found a

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<v Speaker 1>little hat, jacket and trousers with four gold coins in

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<v Speaker 1>the pockets. The close of the naked lepre coron, as

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<v Speaker 1>this leapricon is called, are actually on display at Pj's

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<v Speaker 1>pub in carling Ford. So you know, is this a

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<v Speaker 1>tourist trap? Absolutely, But again is it part of the imagination,

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<v Speaker 1>the cultural fabric? And um, you know, I'm not saying

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<v Speaker 1>that PJ. O hair was that he actually witnessed. You

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<v Speaker 1>know this. What we see is that maybe a streaking

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<v Speaker 1>lebre con gone gone wild. But um, but but perhaps

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<v Speaker 1>p J O'Hare was also participating and um, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>some sort of cultural tradition. Maybe he had too much

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<v Speaker 1>to drink, or maybe he had a hallucination. Okay, And

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<v Speaker 1>this is where this really comes into play because according

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<v Speaker 1>to Oliver Sacks and his World Science Festival interview about

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<v Speaker 1>his new book on hallucinations, he says that hallucinations really

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<v Speaker 1>are cultural in nature and specific to the individual's background.

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<v Speaker 1>So he said that seeing miniature people is one type

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<v Speaker 1>of hallucination, as we said, a subtype. But depending on

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<v Speaker 1>the person's cultural background, the miniature person could be a lepricn,

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<v Speaker 1>a dwarf, a fairy. So that's why I think this

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<v Speaker 1>is fascinating because is uh, if you have this hallucination,

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<v Speaker 1>it is colored by your perception what you have grown

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<v Speaker 1>up with, the sort of stories that maybe the warfare,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe the prosthetic arm of a lebri con got lodged

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<v Speaker 1>into your brain, and this is the sort of thing

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<v Speaker 1>that might be expressed depending on certain external conditions or

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<v Speaker 1>neurological conditions that you have. So, of course, if we're

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<v Speaker 1>going to talk about these Liliputian hallucinations, and that's what

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<v Speaker 1>they're called, we should first sort of give a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit of an intro on hallucinations. Yeah, it's worth noting

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<v Speaker 1>that hallucination is we're discussing here. It's just one way

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<v Speaker 1>of looking at essentially paranormal experience. As we discussed in

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<v Speaker 1>our alien abduction episode. People have always seen weird things

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<v Speaker 1>in the woods and the skies. It used to be fairies.

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<v Speaker 1>Then depending on your cultural flavoring, maybe it's angels or

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<v Speaker 1>maybe sci fi flavoring makes you see UFOs. We've always

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<v Speaker 1>seen things. We've all we've always had these experiences, and

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<v Speaker 1>there are various ways you can explain them that range

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<v Speaker 1>from simple imagination the youngster to neurological disorder and uh

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<v Speaker 1>and and it's it's definitely happening for the person who's

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<v Speaker 1>experiencing them. Yeah, and um. When we talk about hallucinations,

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<v Speaker 1>we're talking about many different sensory modalities, turning about visual, auditory, olfactory, gustatory,

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<v Speaker 1>tactile and other um. And you can actually if a

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<v Speaker 1>person is undergoing a hallucination at the same time that

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<v Speaker 1>they're going m R right, you can actually try to

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<v Speaker 1>figure out the type of hallucination there have having by

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<v Speaker 1>looking at the blood flow to the region of their brains. So,

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<v Speaker 1>for instance, if you see increased blood flow to the

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<v Speaker 1>fusiform gyus, which is where you detect face faces, then

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<v Speaker 1>you know someone is having some sort of um visual

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<v Speaker 1>hallucination having to do with perhaps even a little person. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's kind of funny to me because when we

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<v Speaker 1>talk about hallucinations, we really think about them as being

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<v Speaker 1>apart from us and otherworldly. Yeah, we tend to think

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<v Speaker 1>of them. An hallucination is seeing something in the world

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<v Speaker 1>as it is, not it's seeing the world wrong, but

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<v Speaker 1>that that really implies that there is a correct and

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<v Speaker 1>definitive way to experience reality. Yeah. And because I was

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<v Speaker 1>thinking about this. We really do have a very tenuous

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<v Speaker 1>line between imagination and reality. And I was thinking about

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<v Speaker 1>this in the context of our blue sky, right, because

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<v Speaker 1>what is the blue sky butt an allusion to us,

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<v Speaker 1>Because if you think about it, the only reason why

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<v Speaker 1>we're seeing a blue sky is because violet and blue

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<v Speaker 1>have the shortest wavelengths and they scatter a lot more

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<v Speaker 1>than long ones, and particles like oxygen and nitrogen molecules

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<v Speaker 1>are present, So those are the ones that are most

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<v Speaker 1>apparent to us. So that's what we see when we're

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<v Speaker 1>looking up in the sky. And then it's not that

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<v Speaker 1>we just see a purple and a blue sky. No,

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<v Speaker 1>the mind can't even really sort of deal with that

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<v Speaker 1>because the machinery that we have um with our perception

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<v Speaker 1>of color, it kind of has to mix some of

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<v Speaker 1>that with white until it turns out to this cohesive

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<v Speaker 1>blue that we look up in the sky. Yet Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and is is pointed out in the Excellent Colors episode

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<v Speaker 1>of Radio lab Um. It's it's arguable that too, that

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<v Speaker 1>individuals who do not have a preconceived notion of blue

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<v Speaker 1>would not really see the sky as blue. Like there's

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<v Speaker 1>also that level of cultural layering of it. So it

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<v Speaker 1>really makes you think to what extent am I experiencing

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<v Speaker 1>the world around you? I mean, ultimately, our brain it's uh,

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<v Speaker 1>it's it's inside of some bone, it's inside of some skull.

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<v Speaker 1>It depends on these sensory uh mechanisms to experience the

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<v Speaker 1>world and then translate that into data. So essentially the

0:18:35.640 --> 0:18:39.760
<v Speaker 1>brain is blind anyway. Well, and it's highly sensitive to suggestion.

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<v Speaker 1>We've mentioned this before, but there's a study at Whole

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<v Speaker 1>University in the UK and it asked participants to imagine

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<v Speaker 1>a color while looking at a gray pattern. And what

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<v Speaker 1>they found is that those people who were most susceptible

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<v Speaker 1>to hypnosis in other words, given to suggestion, they were

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<v Speaker 1>able to actually hallucinate the colors at will when they

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<v Speaker 1>were asked to you, which was corroberated by an m R. I.

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<v Speaker 1>So again there's this idea of you know, what is

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<v Speaker 1>you know, we bring this up a lot, like what

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<v Speaker 1>is reality? And how much of it is colored by

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<v Speaker 1>our perceptions? Yeah? So so much of the I mean

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<v Speaker 1>you can argue that our perception of reality itself is

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<v Speaker 1>a is an hallucination, and any um alteration of that

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<v Speaker 1>is just a it's just a change in the flavoring um.

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<v Speaker 1>For instance, there's a close eyes visualization closed eye hallucinations

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<v Speaker 1>that occur. When I was a kid, I would do

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<v Speaker 1>this a lot, where I would close my eyes. No

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<v Speaker 1>guests to his board, and generally you see colors moving around.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like an instant fireworks show. Maybe I was just

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<v Speaker 1>easily amused. I don't know, I was. I was. I

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<v Speaker 1>was an only child for a bit until my my

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<v Speaker 1>sister's were born, so I just s been a lot,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, a certain amount of time by myself. But

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<v Speaker 1>even now, as I've discussed before in yoga, when I'm

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<v Speaker 1>engaged in Shivasana, the corpse pose meditation, at the end

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<v Speaker 1>of the yoga session, I'm closing my eyes and I'm seeing,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'll end up seeing colors and ultimately I'll see

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<v Speaker 1>forms and figures and faces even and uh and really

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<v Speaker 1>that is an example of closed eye hallucination. I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>doing anything to my body in this an instance, except

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<v Speaker 1>working out with yoga for a little bit and then

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<v Speaker 1>sort of calming myself. But I'm seeing things that are

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<v Speaker 1>are not there within my mind. That's interesting because when

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<v Speaker 1>I was little, one of my favorite things to do

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<v Speaker 1>was to close my eyes and pretend I was on

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<v Speaker 1>a grid and shrink myself and then expand myself on

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<v Speaker 1>that grid. And I thought I was a little bit insane,

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<v Speaker 1>but you know, I felt my body doing that, and

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<v Speaker 1>so it's it's interesting that there's part of our brain

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<v Speaker 1>that we can really tap into to manipulate our experiences

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<v Speaker 1>like this. Um, We're gonna take a quick break, and

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<v Speaker 1>when we get back, though, we are going to talk

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<v Speaker 1>about this specific type of hallucination that deals with the

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<v Speaker 1>detection of tiny things, tiny people, tiny animals. All right,

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<v Speaker 1>we're back. And in this episode, we of course started

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<v Speaker 1>off by talking a little bit about fairy folk and

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<v Speaker 1>Leaprikaans paranormal experience essentially, and we're getting into into discussion

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<v Speaker 1>of how hallucination, it's particular modes of hallucination make us

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<v Speaker 1>see tiny people and tiny things. Yeah, and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>before we start talking about um, about this perception or

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<v Speaker 1>this illusion of tiny people or things, I wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>point out that it is amazing when you think about it,

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<v Speaker 1>that our eyes and our minds are able to visually

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<v Speaker 1>reconstruct things. So for instance, if you have you know,

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<v Speaker 1>a plate on the table and the fork next to it,

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<v Speaker 1>and you continue to look back and forth at those items.

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<v Speaker 1>Your brain has to over and over again visually reconstruct

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<v Speaker 1>those items and also do that, um, you know, in

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<v Speaker 1>the context of moving back and forth. So it's got

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<v Speaker 1>the movement element. And what we're talking about here is

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<v Speaker 1>perceptual constancy. So what your mind is doing is saying

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<v Speaker 1>that plate is still a plate, and is still the

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<v Speaker 1>demension that it is, is still the scale that it is.

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<v Speaker 1>And this is a lot of work for your brain

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<v Speaker 1>to do, in your eye to do to take in

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<v Speaker 1>all of this data and make us feel as though

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<v Speaker 1>we are on the same, uh, constant state where things

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<v Speaker 1>are the same and have a constancy to them. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>One of the things that this discussion of hallucination really

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<v Speaker 1>drives home is that site and our perception are the

0:22:20.920 --> 0:22:25.520
<v Speaker 1>mental processes that makes site possible are pretty complex, and uh,

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<v Speaker 1>the least little bit of something can can go wrong

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<v Speaker 1>or or change, and it can can have some pretty

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<v Speaker 1>dramatic effects on how you perceive reality. Yeah. It's funny

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<v Speaker 1>because you really do take it for granted how stable

0:22:38.800 --> 0:22:41.600
<v Speaker 1>the images are around you and how stable the story

0:22:41.720 --> 0:22:45.359
<v Speaker 1>that that your perception is telling you is all because

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<v Speaker 1>of these different parts of your brains working in concert.

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<v Speaker 1>There is something called micropsha or alice in Wonderland syndrome,

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<v Speaker 1>and this is when objects actually appear smaller. And it's

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<v Speaker 1>not necessarily the mechanics of the guys, but it's really

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<v Speaker 1>the repretation of the data that causes the objects in

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<v Speaker 1>the visual field to appear minuscule. So when you have

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<v Speaker 1>these littlopuction hallucinations, um, they are forming complex visual hallucinations

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<v Speaker 1>of people, objects, or animals that are greatly reduced in

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<v Speaker 1>size or sometimes exaggerated. Yes, sometimes exaggeration also ends up

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<v Speaker 1>going into all sorts of mythological possibilities there as well. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>we've got some examples too that that really sort of

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<v Speaker 1>dwell in this and the hallucinations are vivid and they

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<v Speaker 1>evoke varied responses including fear, anxiety, or even pleasure. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>they've been seen across the board and people who are

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<v Speaker 1>experiencing delirium tremens from alcohol withdraw, people who have eyesight

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<v Speaker 1>problems such as macular degeneration, and people with mental disorders

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<v Speaker 1>like schizophrenia. Although in schizophrenia, even though hallucinations are are

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<v Speaker 1>more common, this type of hallucination, this littlocution is very rare. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and of most of the cases that we're looking at

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<v Speaker 1>with lillipution, Uh, it's a it's a situation where the

0:23:57.359 --> 0:24:02.280
<v Speaker 1>person is otherwise mentally fine. They're not. They're not a

0:24:02.359 --> 0:24:07.160
<v Speaker 1>disturbed individual or a quote unquote crazy person. It's not like, oh,

0:24:07.160 --> 0:24:09.000
<v Speaker 1>that crazy person on the streets seeing little people. Of

0:24:09.000 --> 0:24:11.600
<v Speaker 1>course they are, they're crazy. No. It's for instance, one

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<v Speaker 1>of the cases that Oliver Sacks talks about in in

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<v Speaker 1>his book Hallucinations, which is excellent, Highly recommend anyone at

0:24:18.680 --> 0:24:21.160
<v Speaker 1>all interested in this pick that up. It's very readable,

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<v Speaker 1>just a great book. Uh. In his book, he talks

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<v Speaker 1>about a patient that he refers to his Zelda, who

0:24:27.480 --> 0:24:30.280
<v Speaker 1>he treated in two thousand nine. She was an historian,

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<v Speaker 1>and some of the hallucinations that she uh ended up

0:24:35.560 --> 0:24:38.800
<v Speaker 1>seeing included she saw a great granddaughter. She saw a

0:24:38.880 --> 0:24:41.760
<v Speaker 1>trio of witches. She saw her hair rising up in

0:24:41.760 --> 0:24:44.639
<v Speaker 1>the mirror like it was waitless. She saw tiny people

0:24:44.680 --> 0:24:47.800
<v Speaker 1>crawling out of the TV. She saw gaily dressed figures

0:24:47.840 --> 0:24:51.160
<v Speaker 1>sort of trading around. She saw six ominous tall men

0:24:51.240 --> 0:24:54.320
<v Speaker 1>in brown suits around her hospital bed. She saw a

0:24:54.320 --> 0:24:57.879
<v Speaker 1>little men in green caps, and she saw small fairy

0:24:57.960 --> 0:25:01.560
<v Speaker 1>like children. Uh, sort of moving around as well, just

0:25:01.640 --> 0:25:04.520
<v Speaker 1>to give you an idea, because a lot of these hallucinations,

0:25:04.920 --> 0:25:07.400
<v Speaker 1>again it's things are larger or smaller than they need

0:25:07.400 --> 0:25:11.240
<v Speaker 1>to be. Um, So you're you're encountering giants, you're encountering

0:25:11.280 --> 0:25:14.480
<v Speaker 1>little people. Oftentimes they're they're really brilliant to the whole

0:25:14.560 --> 0:25:18.360
<v Speaker 1>The color scheme will be amazing, so you in the costuming,

0:25:18.400 --> 0:25:21.800
<v Speaker 1>if they costumes are perceivable, the costumes will be crazy

0:25:21.960 --> 0:25:25.439
<v Speaker 1>and exotically bright. So you can really see where the

0:25:25.440 --> 0:25:27.959
<v Speaker 1>idea of a fairy folk can emerge from this, because oh,

0:25:27.960 --> 0:25:29.600
<v Speaker 1>they were little people, and they were dressed like they

0:25:29.600 --> 0:25:33.960
<v Speaker 1>were from another world, and the colors were unreal and magical. Well,

0:25:33.960 --> 0:25:36.760
<v Speaker 1>and they were mischievous to write, a lot of times

0:25:36.840 --> 0:25:40.720
<v Speaker 1>these accounts have um the little people that are running

0:25:40.760 --> 0:25:44.520
<v Speaker 1>around doing various things that we are nefarious or yeah,

0:25:44.560 --> 0:25:48.760
<v Speaker 1>and they're disappearing or they're reappearing necessarily obeying the physical

0:25:48.840 --> 0:25:52.640
<v Speaker 1>laws of our world. Now, these are called release hallucinations

0:25:52.680 --> 0:25:54.879
<v Speaker 1>because it's thought that they are released or instigated by

0:25:54.880 --> 0:25:59.640
<v Speaker 1>the removal of normal visual afferent input into the association

0:25:59.720 --> 0:26:03.000
<v Speaker 1>core texts. So in the case of Zelda, there was

0:26:03.680 --> 0:26:07.520
<v Speaker 1>reduced blood flow to the optical and parietal lobes, and

0:26:07.600 --> 0:26:12.600
<v Speaker 1>so this caused the hallucinations, um, but probably one of them.

0:26:14.160 --> 0:26:16.439
<v Speaker 1>One of the things that is most associated with this

0:26:16.680 --> 0:26:19.720
<v Speaker 1>is something called the Charles Bonnet syndrome YES or CBS,

0:26:20.320 --> 0:26:23.480
<v Speaker 1>and this is a common condition among people with compromised vision.

0:26:23.800 --> 0:26:26.240
<v Speaker 1>So when that compromised vision, of course, we're not saying

0:26:26.280 --> 0:26:29.000
<v Speaker 1>the person is necessarily completely blind. Uh, they might be

0:26:29.080 --> 0:26:34.400
<v Speaker 1>suffering from just age related necular degeneration, cataracts, glaucoma, diabetic

0:26:34.440 --> 0:26:37.400
<v Speaker 1>eye disease. The site may be somewhat limited, but they're

0:26:37.400 --> 0:26:41.880
<v Speaker 1>still able to visually perceive the world to a certain degree. Yeah.

0:26:41.920 --> 0:26:44.120
<v Speaker 1>The idea is that the information received from your eyes

0:26:44.160 --> 0:26:47.280
<v Speaker 1>actually stops the brain from creating its own pictures. So

0:26:47.840 --> 0:26:50.280
<v Speaker 1>when you lose your sight, or partially lose your sight

0:26:50.440 --> 0:26:53.400
<v Speaker 1>or it's damaged, your brain is not receiving as much

0:26:53.400 --> 0:26:55.520
<v Speaker 1>information from your eyes as it's used to, and it

0:26:55.560 --> 0:26:58.640
<v Speaker 1>begins to fill in those gaps by creating this sort

0:26:58.640 --> 0:27:03.120
<v Speaker 1>of fantasy pictures or patterns. And then when this occurs,

0:27:03.160 --> 0:27:06.400
<v Speaker 1>you experience the images short in your brain as hallucinations.

0:27:06.640 --> 0:27:08.399
<v Speaker 1>It's kind of this idea that the world that we

0:27:08.480 --> 0:27:11.840
<v Speaker 1>live in because you can we look at like when

0:27:11.880 --> 0:27:14.360
<v Speaker 1>we're just looking around our room, we're looking at particular

0:27:14.400 --> 0:27:16.960
<v Speaker 1>little spaces, and then then we're looking in another little

0:27:16.960 --> 0:27:19.680
<v Speaker 1>space where we're kind of basically the world that we're

0:27:19.720 --> 0:27:22.679
<v Speaker 1>in exists in our minds, and we use our vision

0:27:22.760 --> 0:27:26.119
<v Speaker 1>to constantly upgrade the details of that mental image that

0:27:26.160 --> 0:27:30.840
<v Speaker 1>we interact with. There was a one case of a misssy,

0:27:30.960 --> 0:27:34.200
<v Speaker 1>an eighty year old woman. She complained of little people

0:27:34.280 --> 0:27:36.520
<v Speaker 1>dressed in blue and gray leaves hiding in her cup

0:27:36.520 --> 0:27:40.480
<v Speaker 1>for cupboards, and she also saw tiny black cats from

0:27:40.480 --> 0:27:42.840
<v Speaker 1>time to time, and her chief complaint was that the

0:27:42.960 --> 0:27:47.119
<v Speaker 1>little people like to watch her undressed. So of course

0:27:47.160 --> 0:27:50.560
<v Speaker 1>she was examined. They found that her cognitive functions were

0:27:50.600 --> 0:27:55.480
<v Speaker 1>fined find fine and uh and that really again it

0:27:55.520 --> 0:27:58.639
<v Speaker 1>came down to impairments in her visual field, again creating

0:27:58.640 --> 0:28:02.240
<v Speaker 1>in this story from this lack of information that was

0:28:02.320 --> 0:28:07.359
<v Speaker 1>being processed. Another interesting aspect about lilocutions, especially as a

0:28:07.480 --> 0:28:11.440
<v Speaker 1>as related to CBS. All for Sax points out that

0:28:11.600 --> 0:28:17.080
<v Speaker 1>most CBS hallucinations are ultimately it's inspiring, pleasant, even friendly.

0:28:17.680 --> 0:28:19.520
<v Speaker 1>Um not to say they all are. There. There will

0:28:19.560 --> 0:28:21.959
<v Speaker 1>be some that are a little serving, such as the

0:28:22.119 --> 0:28:25.840
<v Speaker 1>brown uh, dressed men that are really tall. They're around

0:28:25.960 --> 0:28:28.960
<v Speaker 1>Zelda's hospital that was that was ominous in nature. But

0:28:29.080 --> 0:28:31.000
<v Speaker 1>for the most part, they tend to be lighter and

0:28:31.040 --> 0:28:34.680
<v Speaker 1>more amusing and magical in a in an uplifting sense.

0:28:34.680 --> 0:28:38.480
<v Speaker 1>Whereas there's a lot that goes on with with paranormal experience,

0:28:38.760 --> 0:28:42.040
<v Speaker 1>be it alien abduction, that is rude scenario, which is

0:28:42.120 --> 0:28:45.480
<v Speaker 1>rooted in say, sleep paralysis, which is terrifying because your

0:28:45.800 --> 0:28:49.760
<v Speaker 1>your mind body connection is doing something weird and add

0:28:49.760 --> 0:28:52.720
<v Speaker 1>a little flavoring to it from whatever your worldview or

0:28:52.720 --> 0:28:55.240
<v Speaker 1>mythology is, and it's it can be a terrifying situation.

0:28:55.280 --> 0:28:57.720
<v Speaker 1>But with CBS you tend to see these more sort

0:28:57.720 --> 0:28:59.600
<v Speaker 1>of like, huh, there are little people in my closet.

0:29:00.000 --> 0:29:01.920
<v Speaker 1>That's totally cool, but I would rather than not look

0:29:01.960 --> 0:29:04.400
<v Speaker 1>at me while I'm naked. Ye. There's this idea too

0:29:04.560 --> 0:29:08.840
<v Speaker 1>that perhaps, um, you know, it has an adaptive function

0:29:08.960 --> 0:29:11.920
<v Speaker 1>in terms of people who in general with hallucination is

0:29:11.960 --> 0:29:14.880
<v Speaker 1>not just little people. That if someone has lost someone,

0:29:14.960 --> 0:29:18.120
<v Speaker 1>and particularly in the elderly, if they hallucinate, you know,

0:29:18.320 --> 0:29:20.440
<v Speaker 1>maybe a loved one who has departed, that this is

0:29:20.440 --> 0:29:24.480
<v Speaker 1>a source of comfort to them. Bereavement hallucinations that this

0:29:24.600 --> 0:29:27.640
<v Speaker 1>is a whole area as well. Um yeah, it's this

0:29:27.720 --> 0:29:30.480
<v Speaker 1>idea that we're as one. If we're losing our ability

0:29:30.520 --> 0:29:33.280
<v Speaker 1>to update the mental image in our head, we're having

0:29:33.320 --> 0:29:36.680
<v Speaker 1>to update it internally. Like imagine you're inside your house

0:29:36.800 --> 0:29:39.520
<v Speaker 1>and you're wanting to paint an image of your backyard.

0:29:40.080 --> 0:29:41.880
<v Speaker 1>So you look out the back window every day, and

0:29:41.880 --> 0:29:43.360
<v Speaker 1>you paint a little more of this image, and you

0:29:43.440 --> 0:29:45.880
<v Speaker 1>updated a little more, and then one day your windows

0:29:45.920 --> 0:29:48.280
<v Speaker 1>are walled up or they're frosted over and you can't

0:29:48.280 --> 0:29:50.520
<v Speaker 1>see out them all that. Well, well then you have

0:29:50.560 --> 0:29:53.720
<v Speaker 1>to maybe you're listening, maybe you're you're drawing on your

0:29:53.760 --> 0:29:56.720
<v Speaker 1>memory to try and and and and alter that picture

0:29:56.760 --> 0:29:59.880
<v Speaker 1>and make it as accurate as possible. But then inevitably

0:30:00.160 --> 0:30:04.640
<v Speaker 1>you're bringing in errors, you're bringing in even magical creations

0:30:04.640 --> 0:30:09.200
<v Speaker 1>into that pain. That reminds me of Anton syndrome when

0:30:09.200 --> 0:30:12.280
<v Speaker 1>they're you have someone who is trying to replace I'm

0:30:12.280 --> 0:30:16.360
<v Speaker 1>putting quote their their reality with a hallucination to simulate eyesight.

0:30:16.480 --> 0:30:18.920
<v Speaker 1>Because because this occurs in telling people that are really

0:30:19.120 --> 0:30:23.920
<v Speaker 1>like totally blind, extremely deteriorating, totally blind from cortical damage.

0:30:24.160 --> 0:30:27.320
<v Speaker 1>Um and and that damage can be caused by stroke

0:30:27.800 --> 0:30:32.480
<v Speaker 1>um and this affects the optic lobes. So these people

0:30:32.520 --> 0:30:35.880
<v Speaker 1>are absolutely unaware of their blindness and they insists that

0:30:35.920 --> 0:30:38.960
<v Speaker 1>they can still see. Yeah, like they'll say, they'll they'll

0:30:39.000 --> 0:30:41.760
<v Speaker 1>say like, hey, you you're blind. Don't try and walk

0:30:41.800 --> 0:30:44.040
<v Speaker 1>across the living room because their toys all over the floor,

0:30:44.040 --> 0:30:45.960
<v Speaker 1>and they'll say, I can totally see, and like they

0:30:46.040 --> 0:30:48.120
<v Speaker 1>believe they can see now, they'll they'll end up stepping

0:30:48.120 --> 0:30:51.440
<v Speaker 1>on the toys because ultimately they that they can't they

0:30:51.480 --> 0:30:55.520
<v Speaker 1>are blind. But but to them, they feel they're experiencing. Now,

0:30:55.560 --> 0:30:58.400
<v Speaker 1>if you tell them, hey, describe that person setting on

0:30:58.400 --> 0:31:00.880
<v Speaker 1>the couch over there, they won't blink. They'll just describe

0:31:00.920 --> 0:31:04.560
<v Speaker 1>the person. The description may be completely wrong, or it

0:31:04.640 --> 0:31:09.000
<v Speaker 1>may be reasonably correct based on previous knowledge of the individual,

0:31:09.080 --> 0:31:12.120
<v Speaker 1>you know, whatever, but but they won't hesitate because in

0:31:12.160 --> 0:31:15.040
<v Speaker 1>their in their mind, they do see and see. I

0:31:15.120 --> 0:31:18.840
<v Speaker 1>find that example so fascinating just because that really does

0:31:19.120 --> 0:31:22.160
<v Speaker 1>point to this adaptive function, because if you have lost

0:31:22.200 --> 0:31:26.240
<v Speaker 1>your your eyesight and you are lacking that's stimuli, then

0:31:26.320 --> 0:31:29.040
<v Speaker 1>your brain is just making us some sme alacrum of

0:31:29.120 --> 0:31:32.960
<v Speaker 1>that of reality, which I think is just fascinating. Sacs

0:31:33.040 --> 0:31:36.600
<v Speaker 1>also shared an account of a patient who in the

0:31:36.680 --> 0:31:40.760
<v Speaker 1>in the nineteen eighties, uh would a blind patient went

0:31:40.800 --> 0:31:45.000
<v Speaker 1>on a drinking binge and saw again while in the

0:31:45.040 --> 0:31:48.440
<v Speaker 1>midst of this drinking, like the next morning remembered having

0:31:49.160 --> 0:31:52.040
<v Speaker 1>seen as if his side had returned. But it was

0:31:52.080 --> 0:31:56.120
<v Speaker 1>a hallucination hallucination. But and again it's just all a

0:31:56.120 --> 0:31:58.640
<v Speaker 1>lot of this really drives home just how complex side is,

0:31:59.040 --> 0:32:03.080
<v Speaker 1>and how how complex are our observation of the world

0:32:03.200 --> 0:32:05.600
<v Speaker 1>is to it and to what extent is is all

0:32:05.640 --> 0:32:09.800
<v Speaker 1>of our site hallucination. Yeah, again, this idea that there's

0:32:09.840 --> 0:32:14.160
<v Speaker 1>this uh, this visual constancy that goes on that we

0:32:14.280 --> 0:32:16.200
<v Speaker 1>just that's running in the background and we don't even

0:32:16.280 --> 0:32:20.480
<v Speaker 1>think about how tenuous that is. So, as Oliver Sex

0:32:20.520 --> 0:32:25.520
<v Speaker 1>points out, Liliputian hallucinations can also occur in migraines. Particularly,

0:32:25.520 --> 0:32:28.720
<v Speaker 1>He points out the Migraine Blog by a series host

0:32:28.760 --> 0:32:32.360
<v Speaker 1>of it on New York Times, which is a blog

0:32:32.360 --> 0:32:36.000
<v Speaker 1>just about the author's experiences with migraines. Now, I do

0:32:36.160 --> 0:32:39.080
<v Speaker 1>experience migraines. I do. Yeah, what what are they like

0:32:39.120 --> 0:32:41.120
<v Speaker 1>for you? Do you ever see anything with them? Sometimes?

0:32:41.160 --> 0:32:44.200
<v Speaker 1>I've seen lights and actually a good many of the

0:32:44.240 --> 0:32:47.560
<v Speaker 1>females in my family have histories of really like pretty

0:32:47.560 --> 0:32:50.920
<v Speaker 1>intense histories with migraines, and they complain of something they

0:32:50.960 --> 0:32:54.160
<v Speaker 1>call an aura, it's a feeling, and and they also

0:32:54.200 --> 0:32:58.320
<v Speaker 1>get the Strobe light effect. Interesting. I've never experienced a migraine.

0:32:58.320 --> 0:32:59.920
<v Speaker 1>My father used to get them, and I think my

0:33:00.120 --> 0:33:03.320
<v Speaker 1>sister experiences and from time to time as well. But

0:33:03.520 --> 0:33:07.280
<v Speaker 1>in their their more extreme nature there it's almost like

0:33:07.360 --> 0:33:10.720
<v Speaker 1>a supernatural experience, like it's it's like something from another

0:33:10.760 --> 0:33:15.880
<v Speaker 1>world is reaching out and touching your brain rather painfully. Uh,

0:33:15.920 --> 0:33:18.480
<v Speaker 1>but in in a certain way, illuminating le for a

0:33:19.040 --> 0:33:22.640
<v Speaker 1>few seconds or minutes or what have you. Um. And again,

0:33:22.680 --> 0:33:26.480
<v Speaker 1>what we're talking about is uh a sort of impairment

0:33:26.640 --> 0:33:29.840
<v Speaker 1>of the visual feeling here right. Yeah. People will see lights,

0:33:29.880 --> 0:33:33.400
<v Speaker 1>like you said, geometric patterns, uh, flashes of light, zigzags,

0:33:33.880 --> 0:33:36.959
<v Speaker 1>blind spots, shimmering spots or stars are as, and in

0:33:37.000 --> 0:33:40.200
<v Speaker 1>some cases tiny man and tiny animals uh. In On

0:33:40.240 --> 0:33:42.920
<v Speaker 1>the Migraine blog, the author I was talking about how

0:33:42.960 --> 0:33:45.560
<v Speaker 1>they were reading a reading a book lying there, um

0:33:45.680 --> 0:33:49.600
<v Speaker 1>and they looked down and they saw a small pink

0:33:49.680 --> 0:33:53.960
<v Speaker 1>man and his pink ox, perhaps six or seven inches high,

0:33:54.240 --> 0:33:56.840
<v Speaker 1>so the obviously, as they were perfectly made creatures, and

0:33:56.920 --> 0:33:59.200
<v Speaker 1>except for their color, they looked very real. They didn't

0:33:59.200 --> 0:34:01.280
<v Speaker 1>speak to me, but they walked around and I watched

0:34:01.320 --> 0:34:04.600
<v Speaker 1>them with fascination and a kind of um amiable tenderness.

0:34:04.640 --> 0:34:07.280
<v Speaker 1>They stayed for some minutes and then disappeared. I have

0:34:07.400 --> 0:34:11.600
<v Speaker 1>often wished they would return, but they never have. Um

0:34:11.640 --> 0:34:14.840
<v Speaker 1>which is this is just amazing to think of that.

0:34:14.880 --> 0:34:16.480
<v Speaker 1>And you know, you just said there's migraine hits and

0:34:16.520 --> 0:34:18.759
<v Speaker 1>you look down and there's a little pink farmer in

0:34:18.800 --> 0:34:20.719
<v Speaker 1>his ox and they're they're not really concerned with you,

0:34:20.960 --> 0:34:23.719
<v Speaker 1>which which ties in nicely with when you were talking

0:34:23.760 --> 0:34:28.200
<v Speaker 1>about very experiences and in alien ex paranormal experiences around

0:34:28.239 --> 0:34:30.960
<v Speaker 1>the world. They vary so much. Sometimes it is a

0:34:31.040 --> 0:34:33.000
<v Speaker 1>terrible experience where you're like, oh, I'm being abducted by

0:34:33.000 --> 0:34:35.440
<v Speaker 1>aliens or I'm tormented by demons. But in other cases

0:34:35.719 --> 0:34:38.400
<v Speaker 1>it's it's just a matter of for a brief second,

0:34:38.480 --> 0:34:41.360
<v Speaker 1>you have a peek into a magical world just beyond

0:34:41.400 --> 0:34:44.680
<v Speaker 1>our own. Well. I think anybody who has ever had

0:34:44.760 --> 0:34:47.160
<v Speaker 1>a really bad migrant can attest to one of the

0:34:47.200 --> 0:34:49.719
<v Speaker 1>things that is probably interesting to them as well as

0:34:49.760 --> 0:34:53.000
<v Speaker 1>me is that when you have an awful one, it

0:34:53.080 --> 0:34:55.279
<v Speaker 1>feels like the fog is rolling in, and it's to

0:34:55.400 --> 0:34:58.279
<v Speaker 1>some degree it does feel like your vision is being affected,

0:34:58.360 --> 0:35:02.240
<v Speaker 1>not just with the strobe Lde effect, but as if, um,

0:35:02.320 --> 0:35:04.880
<v Speaker 1>something's just kind of moving over your brain like a cloud.

0:35:05.560 --> 0:35:09.200
<v Speaker 1>So it's interesting to see that that sort of deprivation

0:35:09.400 --> 0:35:17.760
<v Speaker 1>of stimulation or stimuli might manifest itself with a Liliputian hallucination. Yeah.

0:35:17.840 --> 0:35:20.920
<v Speaker 1>In in the book, Sax points out that in a migraine,

0:35:21.160 --> 0:35:26.799
<v Speaker 1>a wave of quote, electrical excitation slowly moves across the

0:35:26.880 --> 0:35:29.560
<v Speaker 1>visual cortex and on the way, it's possible that it

0:35:29.600 --> 0:35:34.480
<v Speaker 1>directly directly stimulates clusters of orientation sensitive neurons in the

0:35:34.560 --> 0:35:38.640
<v Speaker 1>visual cortex, and this direct stimulation causes patterns patients to

0:35:38.800 --> 0:35:42.640
<v Speaker 1>see shimmering light, zigzag fortifications, et cetera. As we and

0:35:42.760 --> 0:35:44.839
<v Speaker 1>as we see the wave move through the brain during

0:35:44.840 --> 0:35:48.000
<v Speaker 1>a migraine, when we're looking at brain scans, Uh, it's

0:35:48.040 --> 0:35:51.240
<v Speaker 1>it's it's it's matching the movement of the shimmering bars

0:35:51.280 --> 0:35:54.080
<v Speaker 1>in the patient's site. Huh. So that that's very interesting

0:35:54.080 --> 0:35:57.120
<v Speaker 1>that that sense of movement isn't necessarily an illusion. Yeah,

0:35:57.360 --> 0:36:00.360
<v Speaker 1>it's it's it's it's amazing. I mean, I'm not envious

0:36:00.400 --> 0:36:02.880
<v Speaker 1>of people who have to deal with migraines because, like

0:36:02.920 --> 0:36:05.920
<v Speaker 1>I said, it's just a normal headache suffer. Um. I

0:36:05.920 --> 0:36:08.440
<v Speaker 1>would see my father get these migraines, and I it

0:36:08.560 --> 0:36:10.359
<v Speaker 1>was like, Wow, how can a headache do that bad?

0:36:10.400 --> 0:36:12.799
<v Speaker 1>That you just you know that you're you're just you know,

0:36:12.920 --> 0:36:15.400
<v Speaker 1>gripping your skull Like I've never had had a had

0:36:15.440 --> 0:36:18.160
<v Speaker 1>a headache that bad. Uh. But But now that now

0:36:18.200 --> 0:36:20.280
<v Speaker 1>that I see a little bit more that what's involved

0:36:20.280 --> 0:36:23.080
<v Speaker 1>in it, I can totally get it. Well, there you go. Uh.

0:36:23.200 --> 0:36:26.080
<v Speaker 1>I hope that everybody has a wonderful St. Patrick's Day

0:36:26.080 --> 0:36:29.640
<v Speaker 1>and that you keep in mind these little Abutian hallucinations

0:36:29.760 --> 0:36:32.840
<v Speaker 1>as you go about your day clad in green drinking

0:36:32.880 --> 0:36:36.360
<v Speaker 1>green beer, and and maybe thinking a little more about

0:36:36.920 --> 0:36:40.120
<v Speaker 1>about leprecons, being respectful of them, knowing not to chase them,

0:36:41.160 --> 0:36:43.440
<v Speaker 1>don't try and kidnap them and rob them because they

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<v Speaker 1>will trick you. And maybe also when you're when you're

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<v Speaker 1>thinking about about Irish culture and Irish mythology, know that

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<v Speaker 1>there's there's a lot of rich stuff in there. In

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<v Speaker 1>addition to the LEPrecon in addition to Lucky Charms and

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<v Speaker 1>and uh the and the awful lepricn horror movies. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>you have the two Eth the Day then and and

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<v Speaker 1>and they're pretty fabulous and and post Lebricnism transformations with

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<v Speaker 1>prosthetics that exists for futurists, we can transform into labricns. UM. So,

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<v Speaker 1>if if anyone has anything you would like to share,

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<v Speaker 1>be it on Irish smith and legend, be it on

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<v Speaker 1>your own history with lebricns, but more importantly on your

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<v Speaker 1>your your thoughts on the hallucination aspect of this episode. UH.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you deal with migraines? And if you do, what

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<v Speaker 1>kind of UH hallucinatory experiences do you encounter? We would

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<v Speaker 1>love to hear about that. Do you see the grid

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<v Speaker 1>pattern the fortification? Have you ever seen little people uh

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<v Speaker 1>due to migraines, due to cb s tow due to

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<v Speaker 1>any other kind of UH paranormal experience. We would love

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<v Speaker 1>to hear from you if we you know, and because

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<v Speaker 1>we're curious about about how other people perceive the world

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<v Speaker 1>and about how neurological things can contribute to that uh

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<v Speaker 1>and and if we share your material, you know, obviously

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<v Speaker 1>we're going to do some in a respectful manner. So

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<v Speaker 1>so let us know. In the meantime, let's call the

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<v Speaker 1>robot over and do some quick listener mail we received.

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<v Speaker 1>We recently, of course, did the slime episodes and we

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<v Speaker 1>did the Valentine's Day episode about slugs, which there there

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<v Speaker 1>you go. If you need a monstrous creature to to

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<v Speaker 1>associate with Valentine's Day, the slug is perfect, in particular

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<v Speaker 1>the banana slug, which is a penis chewing slug, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>so to speak, and it is also the it is

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<v Speaker 1>also a mascot, yes, you see Santa Cruz, which we

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<v Speaker 1>mentioned and we had a bit of a laugh about.

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<v Speaker 1>And lo and behold, we heard from a listener who

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<v Speaker 1>is a PhD candidate at the USC You see Santa Cruz.

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<v Speaker 1>So she writes in with this fabulous postcard for starters

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<v Speaker 1>and says, hi, I just wanted to say thanks for

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<v Speaker 1>the shout out to w c SC in your podcast

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<v Speaker 1>Slug Life. Uh. It came out the same week I

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<v Speaker 1>handed in my PhD dissertation on lizard making behavior not slugs.

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<v Speaker 1>And by the way that the title of the the

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<v Speaker 1>paper is Maile aggression varies with throat color and two

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<v Speaker 1>distinct populations of the mesquite lizard. She continues, It was

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<v Speaker 1>still a perfect timing, though, because your podcast, UM has

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<v Speaker 1>helped me through many long hours in the lab. Please

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<v Speaker 1>enjoy some slug theme goodies at the token of appreciation. Beth. So, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>so she sent a box that contained, first of all,

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<v Speaker 1>some some uh some buttons uh and these I don't

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<v Speaker 1>mind them. One of them says one slug, which um,

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<v Speaker 1>you know means that you're one behind this team and

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<v Speaker 1>they're they're slug scot. And then there's also this other

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<v Speaker 1>button that UM that I actually don't mind either, that

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<v Speaker 1>says that that has the university insignia, and then has

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<v Speaker 1>his cartoon slug that's reading the works of Plato and

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<v Speaker 1>he has a g little glasses on itable and he

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<v Speaker 1>has arms for some reason. So I can stand that too,

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<v Speaker 1>because that's right, all right, he's a slug sort of

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<v Speaker 1>and he's also he's reading playto he's he's he's even

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<v Speaker 1>more intelligent than we thought. But then she also said this,

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<v Speaker 1>there's another UM portion of the care box that is

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<v Speaker 1>kind of horrifying. Okay, so this is a box of chocolates.

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<v Speaker 1>What could be horrifying about that? Well, because they're all

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<v Speaker 1>shaped like slugs. They're beautiful they and some of them

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<v Speaker 1>are banana slugs, yeah. Some of them are yellow coated

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<v Speaker 1>in something and uh, and others are just more like

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<v Speaker 1>a dark chocolate and some seem to have like a

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<v Speaker 1>white chocolate infusion that gives them kind of that model

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<v Speaker 1>of color that is common to slugs. I was gonna

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<v Speaker 1>say that looks like the leopard slug, as we know,

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<v Speaker 1>is the gymnast of the sexual reproductive world. Um, this

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<v Speaker 1>is so cool, Beth, Thank you so much, and um congratulations.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm glad that we could be in your in your

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<v Speaker 1>ear holes with you while you are working on your dissertation.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think that's just awesome. Indeed, we always love

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<v Speaker 1>to hear from listeners who all listeners, but also when

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<v Speaker 1>they have you some sort of science in their their lives.

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<v Speaker 1>It's always fun. And thank you for aking Robert squirm

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<v Speaker 1>with that chocolate. I do not know if I will

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<v Speaker 1>ever eat one of these, um, but we were talking.

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<v Speaker 1>It would be an interesting experiment to see to what

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<v Speaker 1>extent people of the office here actually ate them, and

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<v Speaker 1>if they did, where they only eat the rear portions

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<v Speaker 1>of the slug Because for me. If I had to,

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<v Speaker 1>I would break off the rear end of the slug

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<v Speaker 1>and eat that, because, as we discussed in the podcast,

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<v Speaker 1>all sorts of horrible stuff happens at the front of

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<v Speaker 1>the slug. The rear of the slug where you're you're safe.

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<v Speaker 1>The front's got the penis the anus. But we'll definitely

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<v Speaker 1>need a control box of chocolates to place alongside it

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<v Speaker 1>to do a representation of what happens here. But all

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<v Speaker 1>of this is awesome, So thank you Againbeth. So. If

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