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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on iHeartRadio. Okay,

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Speaker 1: welcome back to Coast to Coast George Norry with you

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Speaker 1: and the author of the book The Power of Mercury,

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Speaker 1: Leslie McGuirk, is a professional astrologer with more than thirty

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Speaker 1: years experience. You can explain how everything in nature has

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Speaker 1: a pattern, like a tree trunk does or a snowflake,

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Speaker 1: and we have a pattern as well. An astrology chart.

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Speaker 1: Leslie brings astrology to life so that you can use

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Speaker 1: it to help better understand your place in the world. Leslie,

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Speaker 1: welcome back. It's good to have you on the show. Thanks.

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Speaker 1: I'm excited to be here on this very auspicious day.

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Speaker 1: Why are people panicking about this January twelfth astrological day

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Speaker 1: because it's a big deal. And I have to tell you, George,

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Speaker 1: you're one of the lucky ones. I just know your

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Speaker 1: birthday in year and this particular Saturn Pluto conjunction is

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Speaker 1: not affecting you the way it is a lot of

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Speaker 1: other people. But it is a very very powerful thing.

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Speaker 1: It's a planetary cycle that is intense. If it's hitting

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Speaker 1: your chart at an angle or if it's on your sun.

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Speaker 1: Like anyone who's a Capricorn right now, especially if they're

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Speaker 1: born around January tense to the seventeenth, they're getting hit

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Speaker 1: big time, and same with cancers. It's a very powerful change.

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Speaker 1: And how I like to explain it is that Saturn

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Speaker 1: is like a taskmaster and a drill sergeant. And when

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Speaker 1: you put that together with Pluto, which is like the

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Speaker 1: planet of death and rebirth, it's kind of nuclear. And

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Speaker 1: it's very interesting that just yesterday we heard that Meghan

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Speaker 1: Marko and Prince Harry are not going to be doing

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Speaker 1: their royal duties. That's pretty much symbolic of the ending

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Speaker 1: of a cycle, and it's like a bomb went off

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Speaker 1: for the royal family. And that is a very profound,

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Speaker 1: big shift. And when it happens to someone's personal chart

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Speaker 1: and you feel like it's the end of whatever you

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Speaker 1: knew life was, it can feel very scary and very disconcerting.

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Speaker 1: It's a recalibration time. I have heard some astrologers say

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Speaker 1: that they believe this date could be a trigger for

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Speaker 1: World War three or anything. Horrible situation. Is that true?

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Speaker 1: This is where astrology is possibly dangerous when you get

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Speaker 1: into saying things like that, because Astrology is a language

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Speaker 1: and it's used to decipher the symbolic meaning of world

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Speaker 1: events or of a person's soul. So yet I would

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Speaker 1: one hundred percent agree that it's possible. The last time

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Speaker 1: Saturday in Pluto did something in the United States that

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Speaker 1: was very difficult was when we had the bombing of

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Speaker 1: the World Trade Center, and that was different than the

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Speaker 1: one that's happening on January twelfth. That one was called

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Speaker 1: an opposition. This one is a conjunction, which means on

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Speaker 1: January September eleventh that when those two planets I just described,

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Speaker 1: the Taskmaster and the planet of deathinary Birth, they were

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Speaker 1: opposite each other, sort of like on a teeter totter,

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Speaker 1: fighting with each other. Now they are holding hands and

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Speaker 1: they are coming in together to basically have a total

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Speaker 1: paradigm shift. So it's as if the entire planet right

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Speaker 1: now has been living as if the world is flat,

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Speaker 1: and now all of a sudden, the world is going

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Speaker 1: to become round, and no one knows what to do

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Speaker 1: about it. So it feels quite frightening, and it's a

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Speaker 1: new vision for the world. And how this shows up

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Speaker 1: in your life depends upon the daytime and place of

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Speaker 1: your particular birth, but you are absolutely right that it's

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Speaker 1: possible that something like that could happen. We hope not.

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Speaker 1: But when astrologer can never say precisely how things are

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Speaker 1: going to actually manifest. The other way I try to

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Speaker 1: explain this kind of a cycle is that pretend all

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Speaker 1: of us are like a little caterpillar walking down the

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Speaker 1: and it's actually becoming something new. But does it feel good. No,

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Speaker 1: And it's very traumatic, and that process of the multi

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Speaker 1: A lot of people right now are suffering from grief

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Speaker 1: massive change. And then that little caterpillar is supposed to

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Speaker 1: turn into a butterfly. And if you resist what's happening

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Speaker 1: It's an involuntary shakeup. We're being asked to completely and

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Speaker 1: one reason why George your show is so incredibly important

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Speaker 1: right now, and why astrology is so vital is because

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Speaker 1: nothing else can really explain this to people, and we're

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Speaker 1: have no understanding. We can't comprehend what's going on. It's

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Speaker 1: a whole new world. We've been living in this horizontal

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Speaker 1: world where things that used to work aren't working anymore.

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Speaker 1: Western medicine doesn't quite work the way we want it to.

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Speaker 1: We're getting new disease is new autoimmune things and antibiotics

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Speaker 1: changing what we're moving into is a completely vertical world

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Speaker 1: where it's more about dealing with cosmic things, which is

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Speaker 1: astrology or things that are more earthbound. So it's more

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Speaker 1: opposed to a horizontal view of life. Well, this alignment

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Speaker 1: of Saturn Pluto do they say it happens every thirty

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Speaker 1: three to thirty eight years. That's a long span. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it is a long span. And the last time we

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Speaker 1: something big, and this has been building. It started with

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Speaker 1: Saturn entering Capricorn in December of twenty seven ten and

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Speaker 1: it's been building all through twenty nineteen, so people shouldn't

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Speaker 1: at twenty two degrees of Capricorn. That's why I say

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Speaker 1: Capricorns are getting hit pretty bad. Queen Elizabeth, her ascendant,

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Speaker 1: And the other two signs that are being affected right

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Speaker 1: the worst. But like I said, George, for you, this

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Speaker 1: people are looking for someone like you to help them

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Speaker 1: figure out how to get through these things. And how

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Speaker 1: long does the event lasts? Even though it starts on

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Speaker 1: But we're going to have Saturn next to Pluto for

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Speaker 1: thing you can do is just go into exile. Where's

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Speaker 1: So that's always an option. The other choice is to

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Speaker 1: And there have been studies that have been done having

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Speaker 1: So we had the Roaring twenties in the nineteen twenties.

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