00:00:08 Speaker 1: Well, I invited you here, thought I made myself perfectly clear. But you're a guess to my home. You gotta come to be empty, and I said, no guests, your presences, presents, and I already had too much stuff. So how did you dare to surbey me? 00:00:48 Speaker 2: Welcome to I said, no gifts. I'm Bridget Winnecker. I should be in therapy right now, but I canceled, doctor tolds. I emailed you last week and never got a response about this cancelation. So I just am going to assume that you got it and move on. You've probably moved by now anyway. Uh whatever, Listen, that's neither here nor there. I'm here today with a dear, dear friend, a wonderful man, a comedian, an actor, and a writer. Lamar Woods or welcome. 00:01:30 Speaker 3: What's up? Bridge? What's going on? 00:01:32 Speaker 2: Man? How are you? 00:01:33 Speaker 3: Man? I'm fantastic. I'm feeling good. 00:01:35 Speaker 2: You're feeling nice? 00:01:36 Speaker 4: Yeah? 00:01:36 Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like you were in San Francisco recently. I was, Yeah, I saw this on Instagram. 00:01:41 Speaker 3: Yeah I was. 00:01:42 Speaker 4: I was up there and I was like, I feel like no one knows I'm here. Well let me yeah, post tracked you down. Yeah, yeah, I don't know, but yeah, we were White women was performing out there for Sketch. 00:01:54 Speaker 2: Fast Fantastic, which is flat white women as your improv sketch. 00:01:57 Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, oh yeah. I always got to get to make that clear. 00:02:00 Speaker 4: Otherwise it just sounds like a white yeah yeah, collective called white women that I just try to follow around. But yeah, Service Stans was fun. It was like we had Colton done perform on Fantastic and he's he's amazing. 00:02:16 Speaker 3: He was like our first improv coach. 00:02:18 Speaker 4: Ever, when we first became Wow and we only had like one practice with it was like we had started a team. We were like, all right, y'all, let's practice and then uh and they were like we should get cold and too. He's like the black guy father improv. And then we did like one practice and then like never practiced. 00:02:35 Speaker 2: But it's worked out. I guess that's the thing to do. 00:02:38 Speaker 3: Yeah, but we we know. But it was a really fun show. It was great. 00:02:42 Speaker 4: How long were you up there for just that day? Like I flew in that early Saturday and just got back on Sunday. 00:02:49 Speaker 2: Yeah. I haven't been to the San Francisco in a while, and I miss the burritos there. 00:02:53 Speaker 4: Yeah, like all the food that I used to eat when I would go there to just visit. I feel like I never go to when I'm there for sketch fast. Yeah, because you're just there for business. Yeah. 00:03:02 Speaker 3: Yeah, you kind of go in and out. 00:03:04 Speaker 2: What were you eating? 00:03:05 Speaker 3: I was eating? 00:03:06 Speaker 4: Well, well, actually you know what, we did go so as soon as I land right, Also, this is my first time really. I usually like to go a day ahead of time just so I could wake up in the city, but then. 00:03:17 Speaker 3: I had to shoot. 00:03:18 Speaker 4: So I just flew straight from on Saturday to this to the town of San Francisco. And then as soon as I get out the plane, if he hits me up, he's like, yo, come meet us. We're about to get brunch. Because it was perfect time and that it was like one o'clock beautiful, and then we the first place we go to is this place called Mac Daddy, which is specializes in mac and cheese. And it was so good, but it was probably something I shouldn't have it. 00:03:41 Speaker 2: It's a great thing to fill your stomach with before performance. 00:03:45 Speaker 4: Yeah, all that day and it's like I was like my body just filled with cheese. It was crazy, and it was like they was really getting it in, like putting an elbow into it, because it was like one of those places where you could sit out to sit out the county and watch them make the macagh nice. 00:03:58 Speaker 3: But they're just fucking killing it man. 00:04:00 Speaker 2: Putting in their mac and cheese AND's so special. 00:04:02 Speaker 4: Oh well, I think this place was like it was like they do like kind of mac and cheese bowls, so like imagine like a Chipotle, right, okay, but the base, like you know Chipotle is probably the base is like rice. 00:04:13 Speaker 3: It's like this would be the mac and. 00:04:15 Speaker 2: Cheese start with. I didn't continue it definitely will kill you. 00:04:21 Speaker 4: Like and then they put like the thing I got had like charizo in it and avocado and like. 00:04:29 Speaker 3: Like jalapenos and stuff was good. 00:04:31 Speaker 2: It's incredible. 00:04:32 Speaker 3: Oh it's so good. But I'm not supposed to eat cheese. 00:04:34 Speaker 2: So you like, yeah, yeah, this truly was a horrible decision. 00:04:39 Speaker 3: Yeah. 00:04:40 Speaker 4: I have no respect for my stomach, Like I just disrespect my body constantly. 00:04:44 Speaker 3: But I'm working on it though. 00:04:46 Speaker 2: No, I know that feeling. I had a horrible stomach problem like a couple of weeks ago, and I you should have been just eating like brown rice and like toast and kept beating hamburgers and meatballs, and it's like, well, the pain that continues is now my faults. It's like I don't understand weird. 00:05:04 Speaker 3: It's like I don't want to accept that I have to change my diet. 00:05:06 Speaker 2: I just want to eat things. 00:05:08 Speaker 3: Yeah it tastes good. Yeah, I love mac and jeesus, Like, why I give that up? Yeah? 00:05:12 Speaker 2: You maybe you could explain to the listeners something that I think is a wonderful philosophy and kind of it's almost a club for you dso. 00:05:21 Speaker 3: Right right, yeah, can you. 00:05:23 Speaker 2: Explain this philosophy or exactly what it is. I think it's so fantastic. 00:05:26 Speaker 3: Okay, great, so DS. 00:05:28 Speaker 4: So it stands for a dope shit only and it's a collective of like artists and writers and who are basically the rule to be a part of it is like you have to do dope shit. So, like it's a very encouraging group and we all go we all get wine on Monday. 00:05:45 Speaker 3: Yeah, see it's Monday. 00:05:47 Speaker 4: Now. I just got the text. I was like, oh, we got Because the weird thing is the group chat is called wine Down. So every time I get the text in my car, it says wine down. It's just like, oh yeah, it's like, but we could be talking about something else, but it always starts with like, am I going to the wine down? 00:06:04 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, maybe it's time for two different Yeah. 00:06:08 Speaker 3: Yeah. 00:06:08 Speaker 4: So it's a group of like black collective and it's like we sort of incur I think because we're all sort of feel isolated sometimes in the industry. Sure, we feel like we want to have this space to sort of like communicate with each other about what it means to, you know, be in this industry and try to be successful and kind of like also like because back in the day, be like you didn't know what to do in certain situations in terms of like business decisions, and it's nice to have other people in it who are like doing well and you. 00:06:37 Speaker 2: Can just such a confusing industry in the first place. So yeah, yeah, to have anybody who's been through anything even remotely similar to you is like, please give me advice. 00:06:46 Speaker 3: Yeah, because you feeling like, man, am I alone in this? Of course? Yeah. 00:06:49 Speaker 4: And then and with those guys, it's like we have no we're not we're not in competition with each other, So it's no fear, you know, sometimes you have that fear like, well, I don't want to tell them I'm getting this job, then they might go at to them and then they'll get the job instead of me, Like as if it's like that loose where it's like, you know what, I think I'm gonna give it to this other black guy I was thinking about. But they are like really like we're all like just super supportive. So it's just like there's no insecurity in terms of like, hey, I have this type of contract, like what should I do? 00:07:14 Speaker 3: Sure, or would you do in a situation? 00:07:16 Speaker 2: Yeah, just like a supportive group of yeah friends, And Okay, well I have to confess this is a way better thing than I thought it was, because the last time you explained it to me, it just sounded like you guys would go to really good restaurants. 00:07:27 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I mean that's all it is. 00:07:29 Speaker 4: I think it's evolving, but I think it is like we also like to be fancy and shait. 00:07:35 Speaker 2: Yeah, you go to like very high end sushi place. Yeah, yeah, sort of, which just like immediately bars me from joining me because I would be panicked about spending money or whatever. Yeah. 00:07:46 Speaker 4: I think that's also I have this very like desire, this like strong desire inside of me to like go into white spaces and be very black in it. 00:07:54 Speaker 2: Oh, I love it. 00:07:55 Speaker 4: Like we'll get reservation somewhere where there's like no black people ever go, and then we'll come in there like. 00:08:01 Speaker 3: Six of us. 00:08:01 Speaker 2: You guys are doing incredible work. This is like a three layered program. Yeah, who started it? 00:08:08 Speaker 4: I would say, Phil Jack says yeah, so he's a right successful right worked out shows like Kemp Pill and like Brooklyn at Night, and like he's just yeah, we just have this. It's just this feeling of like we were all kind of like on our own. It's kind of the same thing I happened with white women where we were all doing improv on our own and a UCB being like, I'm the one black guy in our improv group, and then we were like, wait, you guys are doing it too, and then we're like, why don't we just be a group together. It was like that same idea, just on a bigger Hollywood type. Yeah yeah only. 00:08:42 Speaker 2: Yeah d s O, we need your help. Yeah. I've known you for a couple of years now, and I feel like you're someone who very little, very little bothers you, which to me is very I mean my natural state is bothered. So it's I feel like you and I are very young and yang. But so it's to me, I'm always very impressed by how just like a good light, maybe time for us to move into Yeah. Is there anything that bothers you that bothers me, like really like agitates you? 00:09:20 Speaker 3: Yeah? 00:09:20 Speaker 4: I think I was thinking about this the other day because speaking of of going to restaurants, I I I before I started writing, I worked in retail and customer service for a long time when I was a manager at the Wax Music. 00:09:34 Speaker 2: And we need to get into that. 00:09:35 Speaker 3: Yeah. 00:09:36 Speaker 4: Yeah, and so I have a very high regard for good customer service. I get really bothered by bad service, Like it's so frustrating, Like I went to where did I go? So as soon as I get off the plane yesterday, I go to Popeye's Chica because you know when you get goot off at bird Bank, they got that Popeye Chicken right there. 00:09:57 Speaker 2: I wasn't wait in the airport or right now. 00:10:00 Speaker 4: It's like right there, like it's like on the way to the highway. It's like because I don't really live close to one, so it's like. 00:10:05 Speaker 2: Sure, they're all kind of in weird areas, yeah, kind of right outside of the city. 00:10:10 Speaker 4: It's right, another thing I shouldn't be eating. But I had not tried the chicken sandwich take yet. Oh yeah, and I was like, well, it's here, why. 00:10:17 Speaker 3: Don't I just try it. 00:10:18 Speaker 4: I go inside, I you know, order the chicken sandwich French fries, but I went it like another side because I just didn't want to eat fries. 00:10:25 Speaker 3: So I got, uh, what is it called red beans and rice? 00:10:28 Speaker 2: Right? 00:10:29 Speaker 3: Sure? 00:10:29 Speaker 4: And then I get home and then it's everything except for the red beans and right. And it was so mad because it's just so like, why why did you do that? It's like the basic thing, and it's like it's so frustrated to me. 00:10:41 Speaker 2: How was the sandwich? 00:10:43 Speaker 3: It really ruined my day? I mean, I don't know why. 00:10:47 Speaker 4: I'm like, I'm such I'm one of those like we talked about this, like how we like, I have like incredible empathy for like people, a lot of people liking something, and we talked about like, like, oh, I like everyone likes Game of Thrones. There's like an it posted to also be like I don't need to watch that, But I'm like the opposite where I'm like oh, everyone likes this thing. 00:11:08 Speaker 3: I want to know why. 00:11:09 Speaker 2: I need to investigate the core of this. 00:11:11 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah and find out for myself. So I felt like that with the chicken thing. I was like, well, I guess I have to understand why this is a thing. And but you know, it was it was okay. It was just definitely like hurt my hurt my body. So then I like passed out and woke. I just it was just ruined the whole day. I will you know how you feeling. You passed out like two o'clock on a Sunday and you wake up this like nine o'clock, you feel like you died or something. 00:11:34 Speaker 2: It just ate a lukewarm chicken sand they could sleep. 00:11:39 Speaker 3: I was like that was not worth that, but it did taste somewhat good. 00:11:42 Speaker 2: Okay, I'm very curious. But yeah, if only it were in the airport, that would make things so much easier. 00:11:48 Speaker 3: Yeah, that would be that would be great. 00:11:49 Speaker 2: I mean that airport is struggling with the food. I mean there's like a Guy Fieri's restaurant and that's it. 00:11:56 Speaker 3: Yeah, they don't have a lot of food there. The Popeyes in yeah, they. 00:11:59 Speaker 4: Should just I don't know. Location there, or like transfer that one there. It looks like they're remodeling the one I went to though, so we'll see what that looks like. 00:12:06 Speaker 2: No, when like when you are bothered by bad customer service, do you say something or is it does it just bother you? And then that's oh. 00:12:13 Speaker 3: Yeah, so that's the thing. 00:12:15 Speaker 4: It's a very hard, big contradiction because I'm also somebody who's like very timid. Yes, I don't really say anything. I just like just quietly wish they would do their job better because I'm actually I want to feel that. Actually, like when I hang with my sister and we go out, she's like one of the people that will be like if the food is cold, if anything is wrong, She's like, can we get the manager over here right now? And because I also, you know, empathize with the work because I was on of course, other side of that. So it's it's one of those things where I'm like, man, I want to say something, but it's fine, but also like in my mind, I'm definitely like I'm never coming back here, So it's more of a silent. 00:12:52 Speaker 2: Like protest, like I'm a passive aggressive. 00:12:54 Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, like they'll be like like I was at the hotel stayed out San Francisco. Uh. They you know, I had to cancel the first day because I had a shoot. And then I saw they basically they charged me for both days. 00:13:12 Speaker 3: What do you call it that? What is that fee? It's like a resort fee or something. And they charged me for both days. 00:13:19 Speaker 4: And I was like, well, you know, I didn't really stay here the day on Friday. Do you think I could just pay for the one today? And they're like, well, it's policy because there's no refunds. And I was so mad. 00:13:31 Speaker 2: And then you didn't even take advantage of the resort, I know, there was no there. 00:13:36 Speaker 4: I was like, I'm noting from this at all, like and uh, and it just seemed so unfair. And then I just was like really passive. She was like, well, I hope you enjoyed your stay. I was like, yeah, yeah, whatever. I just then I sat there, Yeah, I sat there waiting for my uber and then uh, you know it was crazy though, and then uh, the guy, some guy this is talking to me because I had on this full on Coca Cola outfit. Sure that has like I'm wearing the pants right now. Actually they have Coca Cola on let. 00:14:07 Speaker 3: Me tell you check it out. Yeah, you got use are incredible? Yeah for coke right now? 00:14:13 Speaker 2: Yeah? 00:14:13 Speaker 4: Oh yeah from I'm from Atlanta, so I got yeah. All day Coca Cola Museum was like my first field trip, you know what I'm saying, Like they took us to the co Cola factory. I mean it's like blew me away, Like you know what I'm. 00:14:24 Speaker 2: Saying, Do you have an allegiance? I mean, are you fully anti pepsi? 00:14:28 Speaker 4: No, I'm not anti pepsi, but you know what I say, I do like some Pepsi products, though, Like, no, I guess I am anti PEPs I. Mean I don't really have a lot to offer because everything they have I like this. I do like the coke, like I like sprite over seven up, sure, I do. Like I guess Pepsi is involved in the sort of combinations of like Taco Bell, Pizza Head. 00:14:51 Speaker 2: That's right. 00:14:52 Speaker 3: Yeah, I understand that I can get down. 00:14:54 Speaker 2: With that nine Flavors of Mountain do it, Taco Bell all that sort of Yeah. 00:14:57 Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, but oh so, but then so the guy saw me wearing those clothes and he was like, that's pretty dope outfit. 00:15:04 Speaker 3: He worked. I guess he's some like a bell boy. 00:15:06 Speaker 4: Or something like that, and I was like, yeah, man, you know he just we started talking. I'm like, oh, on my way back to LA. And then the lady who wouldn't give me the refund was like, oh, you're from LA and then I was like yeah. And then she we found out, Oh, oh you'll know, you'll appreciate this. So she went to high school with uh Sarah Tapscott. 00:15:26 Speaker 2: Well your kid, Yeah, Yarah Scott is a writer. 00:15:29 Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. 00:15:30 Speaker 4: So I was like, oh, ship. So now I'm like we're having this connection. But in the back of my head, I'm like, you also didn't give me that request. I don't think, don't get too close to me. 00:15:40 Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah. And then so I rolled out. 00:15:43 Speaker 4: And I'm in the uber on the way home or on the way to the airport, and then I get an email and its like from the hotel was like, we refund your thing. And I was like, now that was slip because that see that's what that's I mean. 00:15:58 Speaker 3: I wish you would have did it anyway. 00:16:00 Speaker 4: I done out of the goodness of her exactly, but I do like the fact that, you know, it was almost like I became a person to her. 00:16:07 Speaker 2: You know, she finally saw you as a three dimensional, biting customer. 00:16:12 Speaker 4: I feel like that's but that's how every good customer service is that but. 00:16:19 Speaker 2: From from the ground floor, they see you as a human being rather than like having to make a connection. 00:16:24 Speaker 3: And then like forgetting their like rubbans and wars or whatever. 00:16:27 Speaker 2: Having some fear of a high school friend finding out that you charge the resort fee. Oh yeah, I feel like I'm in the same boat as far like I've worked in a decent amount of food service jobs and the sort of thing. So anytime I need to complain, I don't. I basically dare them to attack me. Like at that point I might complain, but otherwise it occasionally I'll email a complaint to a company, but otherwise it's just like I'm. 00:16:57 Speaker 3: Want to tell you this too. This is a new thing. Well, this is like a black thing. 00:17:00 Speaker 4: But when you get your opinion on it, because I feel like this is like my new issue with restaurants, and I feel like it's something that is so specific, but okay, so check it out. I think there's like a new stereotype that's like developing, because Okay, whenever I go to a restaurant by myself, and I don't know if your audience because I haven't talked to anyone about this. 00:17:24 Speaker 2: Here we go. 00:17:24 Speaker 4: This is yeah, So if anyone anyone can relate to this, let me know if I'm either crazy or if this is like happening there. Okay, So I go to restaurants alone sometimes, right, because I like to eat out. Sure, so I'll go in the restaurant and then I'll you know, be on my phone or something. And they always lately the last few times, they think I'm a Postmas delivery. 00:17:47 Speaker 2: Oh my god, I. 00:17:48 Speaker 4: Think And then the only at first I wouldn't have put racer to the issue. Sure, but every time I'm in a restaurant and then now I'm seeing Postmas people and they're usually like black, But not because that's like a thing that black people were doing. It's because I think I'm going if I'm going to, like, say, a nice restaurant, and the guys doing postmakester all over the city, so they might be from another area of town. 00:18:12 Speaker 3: Going to like Beverly Hills or whatever. 00:18:15 Speaker 4: So I'm thinking, like this restaurant owner thinks that I'm at would never be here totally right, And I'm like, Oh, he couldn't have been he couldn't be eating here. He must work for the gig economy. Like, and it's been happening a lot. It's really bothering me because it makes me feel like they think I wouldn't be able to afford to like eat here or something. 00:18:36 Speaker 2: I'm going to just assume this is absolutely a reality because people are horrible and a huge amount of this country is racist. Yeah, I feel like that's probably what could very well be happening. 00:18:51 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's very weird because it's I've never most of the stereotypes about black people. I know, like we're kind of already around when I was born or whatever, or like they sort of like they're already in the ether, you know, black people talking to movie theater or something like that. But like this one, I feel like I'm witnessing. You're like a new stereotype house that's horrify of me. It's crazy. And it's like, I don't know if anyone's experience give me a call, you know, like so get at me or whatever, because this is this is like and it's it's it's very subtle. It's like, uh, you know, like I went to the sushi spot the other day. They were just like, no post base, right, and I'm like, no, I want to eat here. I want to just like sit down, and uh they were like okay, but it was it's really uncomfortable. It's really awkward right there, because it also makes me it also highlights that I'm alone. Of course, I'm like, I have no because dining alone. 00:19:44 Speaker 2: In somebody spotlights that it's the worst failing in the world. Yeah, fully aware, I'm alone here, right. I don't need that to be echoed back at right right. 00:19:52 Speaker 4: Did I ever tell you about the time when I was like I went to I don't know, Yeah, I guess it is starting to sound like I'm lonely, actually, but I I went to the Little Dimes, right, and sure we were. It was like that you don't have that outside balcony on the where people sit on the outside. And then they the hostess walked me out and I had to basically walk by everybody, just the last table at the very end. And then when they sat me down, the chair like slipped and I like fell in front and everyone was watching me, but nobody laughed. It was like complete silence, and it was like if you were to feel alone. That made me feel so alone because I had no one to like if you if it was me and you there, I'd be like, oh man, that was that's hilarious because that would have made me laugh. I mean, that's a funny thing. But because no one's laughing, it's making me uncomfortable. 00:20:40 Speaker 2: You just look like someone with something seriously wrong in their life. 00:20:47 Speaker 4: To help him, But I like slowly get up by myself, like no one to like banter. 00:20:53 Speaker 3: About how silly that was. It was rough. It was, yeah, I need I need to get back out there to no. 00:21:00 Speaker 2: I I am a proud eating out alone person. Uh, I've like finally figured out how to do it. I am in a relationship, but I'm still like he's out of town a lot, so I'm eating out alone a lot. And it's just like you just have to power through it. It's definitely just like a confidence thing, and you're for me as a like scrawnie white man. I feel like the assumption is like, oh, he's this is the last meal before he goes out to kill someone, so like, yeah. 00:21:32 Speaker 3: All right, well we better do it right then. 00:21:35 Speaker 2: Somebody's life is on the line. 00:21:36 Speaker 4: Maybe is perfectly melted and everything because I don't want that's real. 00:21:43 Speaker 2: Yeah, but I just I will take a book and just hope that that as. 00:21:47 Speaker 4: Maybe I should do that too. If I bring a book, I feel like that it's something to do or something I should like bring a project. I should be like doing a craft or or something, just to be like I've got I've got things going on, right, But I really do like it. It's like it's like I'm going on a date with myself. Like I'll plan the whole thing. I'll talk, I'll talk to myself and be like, so, what do you want to go tonight? You want to go a head And I'll be like, cool, let's make some reservation and I'll dress up and ship. And then I went with made me feel better about it or not as weird about it was that I went to visit my mom in South Carolina and we were talking about it, and she's like, I do that all the time. Like she goes to the bar and she'll like sit at the bar and like make friends with the bartender. And I was like, yeah, like it's like the old days when people used to like have a community in public. 00:22:34 Speaker 3: But so I'm a proud I want to be a proud. 00:22:37 Speaker 2: Of Yeah, I feel like we need to get the word out that eating alone is can be enjoyable. Yeah, it could be a good time. Maybe maybe that's a sad thing to say, but there are a lot of people eating alone. You shouldn't be ashamed of it. 00:22:49 Speaker 4: Also, don't like the conversation around eating, deciding what to eat with people that where it's like where we have different tastes and stuff and it's like, oh, it's just the kind. 00:22:59 Speaker 2: Of enormous struggle. I mean, going out to dinner alone is so much easier than going on with another person. Going to a movie alone again another thing we need to support. Yeah, you get to choose the movie. You don't have to be worried if someone's going to be on time exactly afterward, you don't have to bullshit about what you thought about the movie. You can just think about the movie. Yeah, then maybe later once your thoughts have come together discussed with another person. Yeah. What other things are enjoyable? 00:23:27 Speaker 3: Concerts? 00:23:28 Speaker 2: Oh, you can leave whatever you want. 00:23:30 Speaker 3: Yeah, you can get out. You don't have to like, hey do you want to stay? 00:23:32 Speaker 2: Oh that's cool. 00:23:33 Speaker 1: Thing. 00:23:33 Speaker 2: Although the greatest feeling in the world is when you're at a concert with a friend and you both realize it's time to go, you're yeah, so close to each other. 00:23:40 Speaker 3: Yeah, at that moment where you're. 00:23:41 Speaker 2: Like, oh, this is horrible, let's go home. We've made a mistake. 00:23:45 Speaker 4: The concerts are I do feel like it is. I do enjoy it when I'm with someone there. 00:23:49 Speaker 2: Yes, it is probably more enjoyable with a person, but it works. 00:23:53 Speaker 4: Alone, right because it is also like there's an opportunity to sort of like be a part of because people are there for the same reason. You feel connected to the strangers too, so you're not like completely isolated. Where like people were like, yeah, you like that song, and I'm like, yeah, everything else we're connected on this band, right, They said Bunny Bear like, hey ma, it's like you were looking at each other like I remember what to see Body Bear way back when they did like a show at the Hollywood Cemetery. It's like and they played through through the sun the sun up. That's oh wait, they played through sunrise. 00:24:36 Speaker 2: Yeah. 00:24:36 Speaker 4: So it started at like ten twelve o'clock or something, and then we went all night into the morning. 00:24:41 Speaker 2: Wait, the concert was like seven hours long. 00:24:45 Speaker 4: No, wasn't that it was, but it was a long we had to get there at a certain time, okay, And I think it was a lot of like a lot of other ship going on until they started playing. But that was very intimate, you know it with all the people there. You're like, oh, we kind of slept together. 00:24:59 Speaker 2: Yea right, yeah, yeah. 00:25:02 Speaker 3: If I fail, might see them again. It's going to be awkward. 00:25:06 Speaker 4: Remember that time we slept it? 00:25:11 Speaker 3: Wow? 00:25:14 Speaker 2: Well, the obviously kind of very loosely. The theme of this podcast is gifts, and I know you grew up Jehovah's Witness. Yeah, were gifts a part of life at all as a kid or. 00:25:25 Speaker 3: No, not at all? 00:25:26 Speaker 4: Like we didn't do no birthday gifts, no Christmas gifts. I didn't really start getting down with gifts until I turn eighteen, went without because my parents got divorced and my dad remarried and my stepmom was like fuck all that jos and his bullshit, like I'm getting you all gifts, and she was. She started getting it going, and then my dad's like, well, I guess I got to do it if my wife is doing it. So then that's when it became like, Okay, we're doing it now. 00:25:54 Speaker 2: And were you immediately in tour or it was like this is scary, We're doing something done. 00:25:58 Speaker 4: I had like a huge sense of guilt, like all the time I would take something when I would go back home because I was still kind of believed at that time. I was still really kind of into the into the religion. So I would be like, I feel like I'm doing Like I would have this Christmas like like sweater or something that they got me in and I'm like I feel like, oh, I don't want them to. 00:26:17 Speaker 3: See these new clothes I got. 00:26:19 Speaker 4: But it was it took It didn't take long though, I think probably like a year, and then I was like, this is fun. 00:26:25 Speaker 3: There's nothing wrong with this. 00:26:26 Speaker 2: So like your first toe in the water outside of the religion was just getting gifts yeah, before like celebrating holidays, right. 00:26:32 Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, So that was really because other than that, we didn't really in my house. I was like, I can't think of any real reason why we were would get any gifts. 00:26:41 Speaker 3: They weren't really. 00:26:42 Speaker 4: It doesn't mean my parents would give me stuff, but a gift, yeah would just be like oh. 00:26:46 Speaker 3: My moms buying me this shirt or whatever. 00:26:48 Speaker 2: But wow, yeah, and is your mom still practicing. 00:26:52 Speaker 3: No, no, none of them are. 00:26:55 Speaker 4: Christmas ruins Jehovah for your family. I was like, I'm like, man, so y'all go oh, y'all not doing it? No more I could have been, we could have been just getting down with Halloween, and all of it. 00:27:05 Speaker 2: Dragged me through an entire childhood without a Halloween. Ye. 00:27:10 Speaker 4: Now I have to celebrate Halloween, and the worst I feel like this is the worst time in your life to celebrate Halloween as like a thirty four year old adult who like doesn't really want to try to dress up. It's like it feels like a hassle. I could have way more, had enjoyed it more when I was like ten or eleven. But I but it was a cool religion. It kept me out of trouble for sure. 00:27:30 Speaker 2: And strict religion, you know, yeah, it's a very strict religion. And you went to college and studied religion, right, yeah? 00:27:36 Speaker 3: Yeah, what did you do it? 00:27:38 Speaker 2: Like a four year program? Or what was to deal? 00:27:40 Speaker 4: At first I was studying our business and then or mark like, because that's what when you don't know what to do, just be like I want to be a business man. And then I was like this sucks, and I was. I also kind of hated school too, so but then I was like, I'm gonna change my major, and I was kind of debating between philosophy and religious studies. And I met with some of the religious studies teachers and they were just like the coolest people to me, and I was like, man, they they're they're like they're like the first people I met that were just like incredibly empathetic. And it's like there's something about studying religion that makes you like empathetic to. 00:28:16 Speaker 2: Like everything everyone's beliefs. Yeah, yeah, trying to figure out what they're into, what's driving them, that sort of thing. 00:28:22 Speaker 3: Yeah, it was dope. Man, I did it. 00:28:24 Speaker 4: So the last two years I was that was my major, and then I started getting good grades and stuff and that was like okay, I like I'm. 00:28:31 Speaker 2: Here's something I can do or whatever. Yeah, but then that led you to LA and you were working at the Wax Music. 00:28:37 Speaker 4: I remember the interview was like, so I got a degree in religious studies. I think it prepares me to work with these wax figures like real well. 00:28:44 Speaker 3: You know, but they Yeah. 00:28:45 Speaker 4: I was like also doing like music and stuff, and I remember I just was like, Oh, I'm gonna go to LA And because I was really trying to do this, like like back then, I was a rapper, but I had started playing guitar. Atlanta was becoming like a very hip hop oriented in its city, Yeah, and I was like, I bet the LA music scene is different. I just wanted to check it out, see how because what I was doing was kind of like weird folky, kind of like folk music rap thing. 00:29:13 Speaker 2: Sure. 00:29:14 Speaker 3: And then so I came out here. 00:29:16 Speaker 4: I started doing that for like the first year, and then I I was getting more. I was people were laughing a lot in the show what people were laughing at, you know. I think with me, I just realized that my banter was a lot funnier than banter should be. You know, like most torture, Yeah, a lot of it is bad, but you don't see some good artists who can kind of do it well. If you can do both, you've really yeah, hey dirt. But I think mine was like past the point of doing it well. It was like, oh, this guy's like a comedian. 00:29:42 Speaker 2: Yeah, why is he playing music in the first Yeah, yeah, stopped during that element of the show. 00:29:46 Speaker 4: Yeah, And then yeah, I started getting to comedy, and I kind of I never went back to Atlanta. 00:29:51 Speaker 2: I've never asked you this about the wax Museum, But did you have a favorite wax figure. It's what they're called a wax. 00:29:57 Speaker 3: Man wax figure. 00:29:58 Speaker 4: Yeah, oh yeah, don't ever call him anequan like that offensive. 00:30:02 Speaker 2: I'm going there later this afternoon. I need to see the Mannica. 00:30:05 Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah, man, you gotta heard. 00:30:08 Speaker 4: They'll be so mad, but yeah, they yeah, we call wax figures. And I would say my favorite looking one was probably Morgan Freeman, just because that was the one that looked the most like Morgan from and most like the celebrity. There was also this cool display you know, you know, this was before woke times, but it was like Michael Jackson, like the life of Michael Jackson. 00:30:33 Speaker 2: Wow. 00:30:33 Speaker 3: So it's like Michael Jackson. 00:30:34 Speaker 4: He was like a little kid with the afro and then when he was like moonwalking, and then it's like later in life, and when you go into room, you kind of feel like you could like experience his whole career or whatever. 00:30:44 Speaker 3: That was pretty cool. I think it was a cool exhibit. 00:30:46 Speaker 2: Sure, I wonder if that still exists. 00:30:48 Speaker 4: Yeah, I'd be curious to like what happens to the wax figures after they candles or something. Well, in general, they would like it was just weird in general, just Hollywood. They would be like, you know if there was like like Ryan Seacrest. I remember when I first started working there, they had a huge American idol room. Okay, and then it is like there was a time where we didn't know what to do with the Ryan Seacrest one, just because it seemed like it was a time where he wasn't It. 00:31:14 Speaker 3: Wasn't like, yeah, it's where to see him move around. 00:31:19 Speaker 4: It's where to see these celebrities move around as their career towards the US. 00:31:24 Speaker 2: Were there any wax figures that like would cause trouble or like like like attract certain amounts of people or like anything like let's keep away from the Britney spirit. I'm like you know that sort of thing. 00:31:37 Speaker 4: Well, there was like a few problems, but I could by the way, I could talk about this all day. 00:31:45 Speaker 3: There was one. 00:31:47 Speaker 4: Well you know if Shrek was a big deal because uh, we put him outside a lot and he would melt, like his face would melt, but he would attract so many kids and stuff, So we we were like, well, we got to put them outside. He's bringing people to the thing, So it would be like this weird like game where like okay, I think we got like an hour before Shruk, and it'd be like on the radio, were like Shrek Smeltic Show Speltic, go for it, and we all like run out and we have to like grab him and bring him inside before it's too late. And you'll see it on his face. It's like it looks like he's crying a little bit. 00:32:19 Speaker 3: It's so it's really upsetting. 00:32:22 Speaker 2: Actually, oh wow, yeah, so it hasn't been repaired. 00:32:26 Speaker 4: No, well, it's really nothing we can do about it. It's it's just melting because it's wax. I mean, yeah, so it's not it's not really Shrekes fault at all. It's more just the nature of wax in the sun. 00:32:37 Speaker 2: Just become the face of depression. 00:32:38 Speaker 3: Yeah. 00:32:40 Speaker 4: But it's really funny because it's just like we're making this choice that we know is wrong. 00:32:45 Speaker 2: You've got a tract there. Well, of course this podcast is called I said no gifts, right, so pretty clear directive to the I don't want a gift. 00:33:02 Speaker 3: Okay. 00:33:02 Speaker 2: Unfortunately, here you are and you've brought what appears to be a gift wrapped in a very cool I was talking to somebody on this show recently who was recommending. Was it on the show or was it a dream or real life? It doesn't matter. They were telling me that the Japanese used textiles to wrap things, right, which you've done here. Looks like whatever you've brought is wrapped in like a handkerchief or something. 00:33:29 Speaker 3: Yeah, I actually speaking of Halloween. Oh wow. It's like these worlds are colliding in a way. 00:33:34 Speaker 4: But like I wore this bandana because I was a little nause x for Halloween. Oh perfect, And this is like a bandana that you know has cows on it. 00:33:42 Speaker 2: Oh wow. 00:33:43 Speaker 3: Also think I mean, if you want that, you can keep that. 00:33:46 Speaker 2: Well, we're going to fight about it after because it's like a genuinely cool bandana. Where did you get it? 00:33:52 Speaker 4: I got it at that cast of Asi dots. Oh yeah sure. And so that was like my little cowboy handkerchief or around the neck. And I was thinking a bridge, I might like this anyway, And but I also I do like the I'm a fan of wrapping gifts and textiles for sure. 00:34:10 Speaker 2: It's smart. Yeah, so I'm now remembering. Yes, it was. It was on this podcast that I spoke to Jessica Gow and she told me this information. I'm just my own mental clarity. That wasn't a dream. 00:34:22 Speaker 4: Oh man, there's a lot of that lately, where I'm like, I can't tell if there's a memory that was from a dream. 00:34:27 Speaker 2: Oh, it's all just kind of melting together like a watercolor. At this point, well, should I open the Yeah? 00:34:33 Speaker 3: I can't wait for you. 00:34:35 Speaker 2: I mean, this could be anything, This could be a Bible, this could be who knows, So let's just open it up. 00:34:41 Speaker 3: Yeah. I almost gave you a Bible, but. 00:34:44 Speaker 2: I would have just read from it for the rest of the show. Okay, here we go. 00:34:50 Speaker 3: Oh, oh my god. 00:34:52 Speaker 2: Oh it's a it's my favorite author DJ call it the Keys. Yeah, that's have you read this? 00:34:59 Speaker 4: I read the first ten pages, not because it's a bad book, but because I've realized that everything in there is like I've heard him say already. 00:35:06 Speaker 2: Oh sure, I feel like we've all heard the general philosophy of this man at this point. Right, it's some social media platform or song. Yeah, I mean it's The cover obviously has a lion holding a beautiful Golden Key. This is almost like a lion the witch in the wardrobe style. 00:35:22 Speaker 3: That lion is terrible. It's so detailed, it's like it really it's going to jump off the book. 00:35:28 Speaker 2: Yeah, this could easily hop on. And then it's also within a like a bed of roses, which I don't know what that artistic choice was about, but that's fine. The back obviously the DJ himself and it says ride with me through the journey of more success. Yeah, so you said you read like a few pages of those. 00:35:44 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's it's very I recently got into like self help books in general. 00:35:49 Speaker 3: Sure, and I don't know, I don't know why. 00:35:53 Speaker 4: I just was like, I guess in the same way when I was studying religion, was it was any sort of extension of that because I started really getting it's just the fascinating about religion is just like, Okay, you have an issue or life issue, and then it's like there's these all these different philosophies how to approach it. Kind of an extension of that is like, Okay, there's all these self help books out and in a way they feel cheesy to me. But then as I wanted to start looking into them, and see like, well how do they this? This ship got to work and in some way, and it's like, it's just interesting to see how different people approach certain issues in our lives. 00:36:27 Speaker 2: You know, what have you have you read any that have been impacted? 00:36:31 Speaker 1: Yeah? 00:36:31 Speaker 4: The Four Agreements is like, oh okay, seems to be one that like people could actually count on, right. 00:36:37 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I love it? 00:36:39 Speaker 2: And what what are the four agreements? 00:36:42 Speaker 3: Can you think? 00:36:43 Speaker 4: So it's don't take things personal, okay, be impeccable with your word. 00:36:49 Speaker 3: Right, let's see to I can't remember. I'm like blanking. 00:36:54 Speaker 2: Oh wow, this book has done nothing. 00:36:57 Speaker 3: This is. 00:37:00 Speaker 4: Was like, he's going to ask me about it, and then I'm gonna just because I like, I clearly haven't lived by that the Agreements at all. 00:37:09 Speaker 2: How long has it been since you read it? 00:37:11 Speaker 3: It's been a while, like a year. 00:37:12 Speaker 2: Well, I mean we've just discussed that our memories are going, so it's. 00:37:15 Speaker 4: Yeah, I have the worst memory, but I do like those for those two Maybe I remember those for a reason. But I like being peccable with your word because I think it's like forces you to like think about how your words affect other people, which is cool. Yeah, And then they don't take the I'm always like whin I'm in those situations in the restaurant, it's easy to take it personal. 00:37:36 Speaker 2: Ain't really gone, Oh no, they're just busy. 00:37:39 Speaker 3: Or like this. 00:37:40 Speaker 4: What time I was at the I was at CVS, I think, and I had this question. I was trying to find something in there, like uh uh some sort of medicine or whatever. And then I was going to ask the lady. She looked I tell you, she looked like the sweetest woman in the world. Looked like she's having a great time. She just stalking some stuff. And then right before I go up to her, this other lady kind of walks up and she was like, excuse me, I need to talk to you about the uh pressure machine in the back. It's been broke for like four months and y'all fixed that ship. And then you can tell the lady was like like over overwhelmed by this, like just really completely taken up guard and uh, you know, she dealt with that, and then the lady was like I'm out of here, and then like left. I don't know if that was good for her blood pressure to get into that, but and then I still have my question. 00:38:27 Speaker 3: So then I went up to it. I was like, do you know where the uh? I can't. 00:38:31 Speaker 4: I don't know if it was vitamins or something is that. She was like, I don't know what's over there. She basically like transferred like that. It was just like weirds like that distress, horrible entergy. Yeah, so I didn't take a persa because I knew that had just happened. But if I didn't know that happened to her, I probably would have been mad at you. 00:38:48 Speaker 2: You're a mean person. I mean, my question about that first lady is she had four months to find a blood pressure machine. There are They're in every grocery, Steff, but I wanted in this CBS go find another. Also, what is happening with that blood pressure? 00:39:01 Speaker 4: I mean, it's a fair, it's a fair critique be broken for that long, that's a while. I do like, it's not that lady's fault. 00:39:09 Speaker 2: She's stalking shelves. She's not a blood pressure repair man. That's a pharmacy problem. 00:39:15 Speaker 3: It would be an amazing job, Like his only job is to fixed blood But it's just. 00:39:19 Speaker 2: Like attach more vel crow and make sure the buttons are working. 00:39:23 Speaker 3: Okay, here's the other two. Okay. 00:39:25 Speaker 4: So the other two is don't make assumptions, okay, and then always do your do your best. That's a real why I didn't really throw that one in at the end. 00:39:34 Speaker 3: But I like that book. But the Keys, the Keys Bridge. You're gonna like the Keys. 00:39:40 Speaker 2: The Keys, can you? I mean, I'm just going to open it and like from this the front cover thing it says stay away from they, right. Can you tell me what that means at all? Oh? 00:39:51 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think they is like. 00:39:55 Speaker 4: They, it's probably what it's sort of like a youth and I'm sort of a explain it better. But I think of it like when people used to say the man, like the man is like this idea of like the system. So I think they is probably refers to the collective of people that don't want to see you succeed. 00:40:15 Speaker 2: Okay, so just like avoid bad I mean like negative groups. 00:40:19 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, So all those people hating on Bridger, Yeah, I'm telling you, man, that's day we gotta we gotta stay. 00:40:27 Speaker 2: We're wanting to take me down on every corner of the internet. The second key is secure the bag. This one's even moral belieque. 00:40:38 Speaker 4: Oh you're gonna look, this is my favorite one. So this is like the the bag is like money. It refers to like a bag of money. 00:40:47 Speaker 2: With a giant dollar sign on it. 00:40:49 Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, and then and it's always just like make sure it's your when you make decisions. 00:40:56 Speaker 3: It's like the bag is secure, I think. 00:40:58 Speaker 2: Okay, so just like basically hold on to or like make sure it's gonna happen. 00:41:05 Speaker 4: Make sure you keep it in a safe just make sure the bag is not getting away from me. 00:41:12 Speaker 2: The bag. Do not forget the bag. 00:41:15 Speaker 3: That by the way, the bag. I mean, we can have. 00:41:17 Speaker 4: A conversation about slang in general, but like you know, they started slang that stays with us, and it's like like cool, right. I have to imagine at some point that was like a new slang. 00:41:28 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it's it's a weirdly it's maintained its level of like it's within slang and our language in a nice way that doesn't feel old passioned. But it's been around for probably a long time to imagine, least like a hundred years we've been saying cool, right, right, But at some point, you know, yeah, the DJ call out of nineteen fifteen, it. 00:41:47 Speaker 3: Was like cool cool. 00:41:48 Speaker 4: You were like, whoa he's. 00:41:51 Speaker 3: Changing everything for it. 00:41:52 Speaker 4: But this the bag is a new slang that I really I'm a big fan of for money. Like, there's been a lot of money's terms like cream or I guess lest oh sure, blain blank. I don't know, like a lot of stuff like that, but the bags is kinda I kind of like that one. I hope that one stays around. I like the idea of like referring to money as like. 00:42:12 Speaker 2: That's the bag. Yeah, that's nice, and it doesn't feel I mean, I mean, I am fully outside of pop culture and society at this point, but I don't feel like I've heard the bag that often. It's not one that's like again, I can't think of an example because I'm not cool, but there are certain slang terms that like annoying people have won't pick up on and ruin immediately. 00:42:36 Speaker 3: Yeah. 00:42:37 Speaker 2: Yeah, moving to the next key, respect the code. 00:42:41 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I don't know that one. 00:42:44 Speaker 2: I feel like that one probably means on some level, there's some level of rules that we've all got a respect. Right Again, that doesn't mean anything, but I'm on my way to writing my own book. 00:42:58 Speaker 4: Yeah, I wonder if it's like, uh, the code, it's different depending on who. 00:43:03 Speaker 3: Everyone has their own code. 00:43:05 Speaker 4: Or maybe and it just got to stick to your respect their code, that sort of thing. 00:43:10 Speaker 3: Yeah, something like that. 00:43:11 Speaker 2: I mean, who knows. It's hard to say. But I also think that you kind of do your own thing with self help books. You just take what you need and apply it to your life. 00:43:18 Speaker 1: Yeah. 00:43:18 Speaker 3: Yeah. 00:43:19 Speaker 2: The next one is a little clearer. Believe in the hustle. I think we can figure out what that means. Yeah, that's a good one. You know, you're just the hustle is something you got to do right, right, and hope you've got to believe that it's going to have some sort of results. 00:43:33 Speaker 3: Yeah, or like the hustle with purpose. This final one, there's so many. 00:43:37 Speaker 2: I don't really as far as I know, the final final one is win, win, win, no matter what which I have I have, I feel like is a complicated thing because no matter what encompasses a lot of things. That feels like you could get into some dangerous territory. Yeah, maybe win win win, uh, like in a reasonable way, Yeah, without like causing harm. Yeah, I don't. 00:44:03 Speaker 4: Yeah, the idea of like no matter what, it's like, you know, you don't want to win at all, costs because I think that would hurt you know, the other thing. Eventually you're going to lose is which is uh which was respected right yeah, and uh secure the bag. 00:44:17 Speaker 2: I feel like, yeah, you may lose lose hold of the bag if you're getting crazy right right, desperation to win, win win. 00:44:26 Speaker 3: Yeah. 00:44:26 Speaker 4: But it is like, let me actually this because I always as an artist, I feel like as an artist, I'm like incredibly like not that competitive. 00:44:36 Speaker 3: Okay, So like there is like a you ever meet, like. 00:44:39 Speaker 4: Those kind of writers are like just like people in again in the industry, and they really wanted to win. 00:44:44 Speaker 3: Oh yeah. 00:44:45 Speaker 4: It's like there's part of me that like envies that a little bit because sometimes it does work out for them. Where're like, I'm just trying to be I'm just trying to be on the top. I'm trying to win to Oscar, I'm trying to do everything. But I'm more I always feel more communic, community ish with it, like let's just all make cool stuff to go. Oh yeah, sometimes I feel like it was works for now. 00:45:04 Speaker 2: The to have like even an ounce of ambition I think would be nice sometimes where I'm like I'm just kind of happy to kind of get run over. Yeah, and then there are plenty of people within and I imagine this is within any industry, but within entertainment there are people who take it ambition and winning to psychotic levels where I could probably make a list of twenty five people in my life currently that I'm like, Oh, yeah, you would probably like send me to die to get a writing. 00:45:39 Speaker 4: Job, or yeah, yeah that's that no matter what. Yeah, I like yeah when no matter what. 00:45:45 Speaker 2: No no, happy to win on occasion. 00:45:49 Speaker 4: I do like the song, like I like the feeling it gives me. But wait, is this a song that yeah, it goes when when no matter what? 00:45:56 Speaker 3: Remember that song? 00:45:57 Speaker 2: As I pointed out, I don't know anything out any type of popular guest on a DJ. 00:46:06 Speaker 3: Track, But so that was I don't know, what do you think? Is that a good gift? 00:46:12 Speaker 2: I think this is a great gift. I mean, this is an interesting I think I'd like to hear your thoughts on this. I'm somebody who left a religion that told me like, this is the exact way you're supposed to lead your life and all this stuff. If you stop being in this, everything's going to fall apart for you. So when I made the step to leave it. It was like, oh, so what is leading a good life? 00:46:36 Speaker 3: Right? 00:46:36 Speaker 2: And so it was like coming up with my own personal code, which basically I like laid down to like be nice to people, mind your own business, and like like I'll be honest and work as hard as you can. So, like, did you like coming out of being a Jehovah's Witness? Was there any like level of uncertainty where You're like, oh, no, my life's going to be out of control and I'm going to be doing meth within a week. 00:47:00 Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely. I was like very lost for a while. 00:47:03 Speaker 4: I was, but I was I was also very It was it was happening simultaneously where I was discovering all these new religions. So I definitely like jumped into like a phase of like like a real white girl hippie phase where I was just like jumping into like every religion possible I was trying. I was like going to mosque, I was going to like the wildest tip I was going to like I tried behide for a while, and that was fun in terms of just realizing that all religious were the same in some way in terms of the structure of it, like as cool as it, they all seem really interesting and cool at first, like it's so different from how I grew up, and then somehow they still turn into like the same structural religion that you were believing. But that being said, I mean I was I kind of empathy, I kind of found a love for like all of it. Yeah, at the end of the day, and I'm like, I, you know, I still believe in certain things, like specific things, but I think in general I would be comfortable almost any religion, maybe with the exception of scientology. 00:48:03 Speaker 2: Sure, this podcast is quickly becoming a real enemy of scientology. Almost every episode we've got something Oh yeah, folks. 00:48:13 Speaker 3: Yeah that way. 00:48:14 Speaker 4: I mean even now when I still kind of like, what's going on? What are you guys doing on Sunday? So but to your point of just like it is very confusing because even though I mean, tell me you feel this way, Like even though I'm like, oh man, I feel super enlightened. I've been studying all these different philosophies and stuff, They're just the whold of the Joe's witn is on me is so strong just because I was born into it, and I'm always going to feel like guilty, like I like bailed on something. 00:48:43 Speaker 2: Oh totally even recording a podcast. I'm like, his mom going to hear this, and then I'm like, oh, no, mom voted for Donald Trump and we have evidently we have audio of him saying he's sexually assaulted people. So maybe it's not a big deal. 00:48:55 Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, but it is like it is like a weird thing where you kind of like I always have this, I have I definitely should go to therapy about this because I have like they when you're born into it. Because the Josmenes believe the world end of the world is coming, and. 00:49:10 Speaker 2: They also believe like only one hundred thousand people get to go to heaven or something. 00:49:14 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's not such a bad thing just because they It's like I think those people are like the people who are like they're not doing nothing. 00:49:24 Speaker 3: They're not they're not having sex, or they're they're like and. 00:49:27 Speaker 2: It really takes the edge off of everybody else. It's like, well, yeah, yeah, we're not getting that ticket, so. 00:49:32 Speaker 3: Yeah, we're good. 00:49:33 Speaker 4: They believe that we'll be on Earth it'll be like a paradise, which is I think just as nice. Yeah, and it's it's like it's like vip and in the club, but the club is still nice. And then but for me it was like, Okay, I always feel like the end of the world is happening all the time, and it's sort of creating like I'm sorting. I feel like I get I'm having catastrophic brain where anytime anything happens, I feel like it's them. 00:50:00 Speaker 2: This is the thing that I was taught to be afraid of, and. 00:50:02 Speaker 4: Now I've yeah, yeah, and it's like happy, especially now where it seems like everything that's happened it feels like the end of the world. 00:50:08 Speaker 2: Oh wow, it's just piling on top of each other every single days. 00:50:13 Speaker 4: But I don't know, I think like I'm like, honestly, my main principal part of that, guys, me is probably like just the empathy thing, where as long as I'm like everybody, everything that's happening to somebody, if I can see, if I could see myself that in that person, then I feel like I'm at least doing some good in terms of like making sure that I'm not in my own ego about like how things should be. I really feel like my whole the last few years, like the way that I've been sort of like being okay with like being outside of religion. It's just like being hopefully working on being empathetic to everything, like everything, not. 00:50:57 Speaker 3: Having a judgment on anything. 00:50:59 Speaker 2: Almost it's a very simple cheat I think, like yeah, I mean it takes a minute to realize, but it's just like, oh, yeah, this makes everything easier. Just like think about what that person's going yeah, yeah, and then I yeah breaks it down. I mean, just like the idea of just being nice to everyone to start with, that makes things so much easier. 00:51:16 Speaker 1: Yeah. 00:51:16 Speaker 2: Minding your own business, I think is like for me, like coming from a religion where no one minds their own business, It's like, oh yeah, this is definitely this should be something everybody's talking about. It's like, just do your own thing. 00:51:29 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, totally. 00:51:31 Speaker 2: But yeah, I don't know, I get where you're coming from with the like religion still hanging around your mind. I mean I was out of Mormonism for ten years before I felt comfortable even coming out to my friends or it's like it's insane, right, really, it gets a hold on you. 00:51:48 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's and I think that's the ampty thing where it's like it's like okay, like somebody might be thinking like, well, what's the big deal, you know, and it's like that understanding, like well, what would it mean for someone in this situation growing up like this for that person? And like that, Like I was watching what was it Aaron Hernandez documentary? 00:52:06 Speaker 3: Oh I haven't watched it, Yeah, you got it. It's so crazy. 00:52:09 Speaker 4: But just like it's just all these everyone's in a different everyone's in a different environment. 00:52:14 Speaker 3: Yeah, and like it sometimes are here. 00:52:16 Speaker 4: I'll put it in a simple, lighter context where like I feel like, uh, people people get mad at me because I don't text them back a lot. 00:52:26 Speaker 2: I will say that your ability to communicate electronically is like fifty fifty hit right. 00:52:31 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like you never know. 00:52:33 Speaker 4: But what happens is, I like the people who are the most upset about it are people who, when I hang out with them, are on their phone all the time. No, I'm if I'm like with you and you're on your phone the whole time, if someone texts you, you're gonna you get text right right away. 00:52:50 Speaker 3: But I'm using that on my phone like that. 00:52:52 Speaker 4: But I think what happens is the person who's like that is like, well, I'm texting back all the time, So why why is doing how I do it? And that to me is a lack of empathy, just. 00:53:03 Speaker 2: Looking for a way out for being a lacy. 00:53:07 Speaker 3: I feel like, you know, I empathize any better. 00:53:09 Speaker 2: Today I looked at a text early in the morning, wasn't ready to respond to it, so I email emailed myself respond to that text. I'm right, but I'm trying better. I'm trying to be better. 00:53:19 Speaker 3: I am working on it. 00:53:21 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's difficult. It is difficult, and also it would be nice if we just didn't have to do it at all. 00:53:25 Speaker 4: If you know what it feels like to me, it feels like someone like it feels like I was having a if I'm having it, like I'm having a conversation with someone, and then I say, I'm having a conversation with you, and then like and then like Steven the engineers like he's like lamar lamar, lamar, lamar lamar, and it's like, that's what's happening in my phone, And I was like, I can't focus. Maybe I just can't do two things at once. I don't know. 00:53:48 Speaker 2: Steven started just badgering. 00:53:51 Speaker 3: Answer, can you are you gonna meet me later? You meet me later. Are you going to meet me later? 00:53:54 Speaker 4: I'm over here, look at me please, and I'm like, Bridge, hold a second, I need to talk to Steve. Steve and you got to leave the answer. I'm like, well, yeah, what do you think ten o'clock? And then he's like does a respond? It just turns away from it, and I'm like, now now we got to wait for his answer. 00:54:11 Speaker 3: I hate it. 00:54:11 Speaker 2: I hate my phone to throw it into the ocean, which would be the best feeling in the world. It's all I want that would be trapped there. If there's one man who's going to never tell you to throw your phone in the ocean at STJ cal it, I feel like he wants everybody on a phone at all times. The man is an Instagram king. Yeah, that's like, that's of course. I think we've gone to the part of the podcast where we're going to play a game. 00:54:42 Speaker 3: Oh sweet, I. 00:54:43 Speaker 2: Think we're going to play a game called gift Master. 00:54:48 Speaker 3: Okay. 00:54:49 Speaker 2: Gift Master Basically what happens is, I'm going to name three gifts, potential gifts, and three famous people, and you're going to tell me which gift go to which famous person? Okay, and why why you would give them that though. 00:55:04 Speaker 3: So it's what I would do, not what someone else would do. 00:55:06 Speaker 2: But no, it's like I get if you just had three items and it was three celebrities birthdays, it's time to give them each one of these items. I need a number between one and ten four Okay while I calculate this, Okay, I want you to promote yourself, promote something that you want to do you, I mean, the amount of time you have is who knows, because when I'm calculating a show in any direction, so you go. 00:55:35 Speaker 4: Allright, Hey guys, So my name is Lamar. I have a movie that's out called It's a Party on Showtime. I would love for you all to watch that. It's starring really funny people, if people like Tone Bell, Tony Baker, Ego Wodhom Kirby, Howe Baptiste. It's an ensemble cast of hilariousness, and I would love you to watch that. If you don't have Showtime, you can watch it on it Amazon or Google Play. 00:56:02 Speaker 3: What else? 00:56:03 Speaker 4: I also really want you guys to check out White Women. We are improv group and we perform every second Friday of every month, and we have like a celebrity guest last week. 00:56:17 Speaker 3: Last month we had Ali grand grand Door. 00:56:23 Speaker 4: I think I'm saying his last name right, which is the funniest improvisor ever seen. 00:56:27 Speaker 3: It was great. 00:56:28 Speaker 4: It was such a fun show. It was awesome. So next one is on Valentine's Day. I don't know when it's coming out, but too lately. Oh my god, it's like every time that happened, it is like I feel like I'm in a time warp. 00:56:39 Speaker 2: But I will say, you can buy your movie at any point on various services, and everyone should do that. 00:56:46 Speaker 4: Yeah, that is if you really want to support me, that's how you would do it. 00:56:50 Speaker 2: Lamar Co wrote this movie, The Accident. It's an incredible cast. Go find it. 00:56:56 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's funny too, and it's easy to watch. 00:56:58 Speaker 2: Yeah, there you go. That's all anybody needs right now. But that doesn't matter because the game is about to begin. Lamar The three gifts that you are going to be presented with here are a tanning bed okay, a Nintendo game Cube, and an out of control bird. 00:57:16 Speaker 3: Okay, okay, what kind of bird? 00:57:18 Speaker 1: Though? 00:57:18 Speaker 3: They're just out of control. 00:57:19 Speaker 2: That's up to you. It's out of control. So it's just something that is wild, all right, The three people you are going to be tasked to give these gifts to are Jamie Lee Curtis, Okay, Busy Phillips, and will I am Famously of the Black Eyed Peas and a million commercials. Yeah, and just kind of being will I am okay cool? 00:57:45 Speaker 3: All right? 00:57:45 Speaker 4: So I would give the out of control bird to Jamie Lee Curtis. 00:57:51 Speaker 3: I feel like I've met her before. I feel like she would like that. 00:57:54 Speaker 2: Did she just give it like an out of control bird vibe? 00:57:58 Speaker 4: She looked like she can control an al control word. She was like, I feel like there's nothing she can't handle. 00:58:03 Speaker 2: She's taken down. Michael Myers, Yeah, kind of seen it all. 00:58:07 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think she and I think she would like it. 00:58:10 Speaker 2: Yeah. I feel like I could see her with an out of control bird in her house and she's like a bat. 00:58:15 Speaker 3: Yeah, is like a baseball. 00:58:18 Speaker 2: Batch's going after it with am I saying that Jamie Curtis is going to kill a bird? I don't think. So let's take it back a note. Maybe she like, uh, she's going to get a pilot bird seed and call it down or something right. 00:58:32 Speaker 4: Or she like will make some sort of fun game with it, you know, like figuring out a way to like use its nature antrol nature to like benefit her day. 00:58:43 Speaker 2: Yeah, where did you meet Jamie, like Curtis, we did. 00:58:45 Speaker 3: I'm here. 00:58:47 Speaker 4: I think it was a Walmart, No, it was it was I think it was at working for a new girl. 00:58:53 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, she was. She was dope. She's awesome. 00:58:56 Speaker 2: I can see her with an out of control bird. I think I feel like her husband, Christopher Guest would be upset hee. 00:59:03 Speaker 3: Yeah, but that's fine, that's fun. 00:59:07 Speaker 2: Yeah, they're probably looking for something, you know. 00:59:09 Speaker 3: I feel like you need something like that. 00:59:11 Speaker 2: Yeah, there's out of control bird. 00:59:13 Speaker 3: Okay. 00:59:14 Speaker 4: Well this is tough because now I got this tanning bed, and I don't want to give it to Billy Phillips Busy Phillips, because I feel like. 00:59:20 Speaker 3: She probably has one or you know, a story of. 00:59:23 Speaker 2: Doing getting a spray tan She's going to the branch. 00:59:26 Speaker 3: But I don't really want to give a will I end up? 00:59:30 Speaker 4: That feels like a problem, boy, have damn it. Well, I guess I'll give her Busy Phillips to tann and bed because I feel like she would use it. 00:59:44 Speaker 3: More than will I am. 00:59:45 Speaker 4: Okay, but I would also give it to her a caveat of saying if you want to return it, because I'm sure you don't want to, Like that's something that's just not my expertise. 00:59:56 Speaker 2: Yeah, and kind of a I mean a dangerous tool. 00:59:59 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a little healthy, right. 01:00:01 Speaker 2: How bad that is for you? Are we supposed to be Yeah, we're not supposed to be doing it. You're not ever supposed to. I mean you're just basically radiating yourself for like half an hour. But Jesus, they continue to exist. People want to be tan and I guess that's the. 01:00:15 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's there. 01:00:16 Speaker 4: Every time I think of tanner Man, I associated with like someone like getting murdered, like like basically like being trapped. 01:00:22 Speaker 2: Oh totally. Yeah, it's like a scary the light coming out of it. Yeah, it's naked in the air and it's a dangerous situation. So he's going to get a Nintendo GameCube. 01:00:33 Speaker 4: Okay, So yeah, so he'll get the game. So will I Am gets the game cube? 01:00:36 Speaker 2: Okay? He feels, you know, like that era two thousand and two. Yeah, you know, like I feel like you're basically giving a Nintendo GameCube to a Nintendo GameCube in the. 01:00:46 Speaker 3: Situation like this is how I would I think of you. I feel you're right. I feel like I won't say that. 01:00:54 Speaker 4: I'm going to say they both represent the same thing in a way, but in a good way, because will I have like possess that Jenni I remember the existence of him and sing that generation. 01:01:05 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I can Yeah, I can see him holding that little Nintendo GameCube. I mean I could also see him using a tanning bed and like turning it into some sort of bad fashion item or some sort of mess like that. But he could also give it to fergy. 01:01:21 Speaker 3: Re gift right, or he could have it in his house for guests. 01:01:24 Speaker 2: Oh that's true. Go into the guest bedroom and there's a tanning bed. Yeah. I think that's a confusing situation. 01:01:30 Speaker 4: I would be weird enough if I went to stay at someone's house and they like, they don't tan but they suggested I do. 01:01:36 Speaker 3: You don't use this at all? 01:01:38 Speaker 2: Take off your shoes and then getting the tanning bed. 01:01:41 Speaker 3: It's like, yeah, like having a swimming pool, like I don't really use it. 01:01:44 Speaker 2: But feel free to hop in. All right, Okay, I feel like that's a I think that you qualify as a gift master. 01:01:51 Speaker 4: I don't know, man, I feel like I was pretty basic with my choices there. I feel like everything kind of worked out well. 01:01:56 Speaker 2: Everything everything happens for a reason. 01:01:58 Speaker 3: Yeah. 01:01:59 Speaker 2: I think that if there's ever been more proof of that, then it's this game that which is fine. 01:02:04 Speaker 4: I think I was meant to do this to get confidence in my ability to give gifts in general. Like yeah, And I don't know if I've never felt that confident it because I had like eighteen years of like not being. 01:02:13 Speaker 2: But I feel like you're kind of from the limited view I've seen of you giving gifts, and I have seen you give gifts. I think you're doing a pretty good job of it. We're going to this is called I said no questions. Cool people have been writing into I said no gifts at gmail dot com with you know, just their questions about they need help giving gifts, and so I do my very best to try to assist them with my guests. So let's do one or two of things. Okay, let's see Highbridger. I bought someone a gift recently, but then I realized they hadn't gotten me one. I got too embarrassed on their behalf to give them the gift I got them. Okay, so so she got them a gift and then she's embarrassed that they didn't get her a gift, so she oh, it's a book by Patty Smith. Okay, is my judgment at fault? I mean, more more than my choice of author. Your help would be greatly appreciated. Love, Dipica in London. Dipic, I'm okay. First of all, this feels like a very complicated question, and I feel like it's basically we're boiling it down to was a bad idea to buy a book by Patty Smith as a gift? 01:03:19 Speaker 3: Is that? Okay? 01:03:20 Speaker 2: So? 01:03:20 Speaker 3: Uh No, Patty Smith is awesome. 01:03:23 Speaker 2: People like Patty Smith. I mean I think with a book, you're always you're always running the risk of giving somebody a homework assignment. 01:03:30 Speaker 4: So it's yeah, I know who, Yeah, you know I I can relate to the book. You know, giving books as gifts. 01:03:35 Speaker 2: I mean, we've got one right, and you made a huge mistake that You're kind of just soaking in this. 01:03:45 Speaker 3: Because I don't want anyone to ever tell me to read. 01:03:48 Speaker 4: But you know, I think, uh, I think book gifts are fine because you can kind of you can always share that with them and like, but you know, I guess there's no guarantee they're going to read it. Like if I see you, like we do this podcast again, I'm going to ask you if you wrote. 01:04:04 Speaker 2: Oh yeah that to me like that. I've talked with friends with this about this before, but that is an incredible way to ruin a relationship. Would just give someone a book and then follow up. Never follow up, wait for the person who got the book to tell you to read it, because otherwise you're just a nuisance. You're just like nagging them to read this thing you gave them. 01:04:22 Speaker 4: It's weird, like because I don't really I don't. I feel like if they if we are headed, we already read it on our own individually and we had the conversation about it. That's much more satisfying conversation. Oh yeah, me being like, read this book so I can talk to you about it. Yeah, I don't really, what's your I don't really want to talk to you about. 01:04:40 Speaker 2: Well, you're going to be every night after I read a chapter with my tea visual I've got more advice for you. 01:04:51 Speaker 3: More keys lamar the key. 01:04:53 Speaker 4: I found the sixth key. What if I see you? Like a couple of bites and you're like driving a bent You have a line in a vackseat. 01:05:02 Speaker 2: With a license plate that says win. 01:05:04 Speaker 3: Win win, like man have bit a chade. 01:05:08 Speaker 2: I'm happy to become that person. 01:05:10 Speaker 3: I don't think at all. 01:05:11 Speaker 2: Okay, I think, yeah, Patty Smith, give the like if the person didn't get you another gift, who cares, Like, that's not the reason you give a gift in the first place. Just give them the Patty Smith book and then leave them alone, and maybe the relationship is on its last legs anyway. Yeah, so well, I don't know what to tell you. Moving on, let's see here, Bridger, I'm looking to get a gift for the winner of my fantasy football league. We do want every year, and this year I'm in charge of finding the gift. My friend that one loves all things football, obviously, Indian food, and spending time with his politically active daughter. Thanks for your help, Christian in Kansas City. I mean, first of all, you you came to the wrong football fantasy football, I don't I The only thing I know is the mad and football game. You're not. Everyone in this league already owns that. The Indian food. Do you know anything about fantasy football? What these people like to do. 01:06:08 Speaker 4: No, I know the I have a basic understanding of it, and I've tried it a couple of times. 01:06:13 Speaker 3: But I've always kind of like fell off. But I don't know. 01:06:17 Speaker 4: I guess I know about football, like a football gift. Yeah, I'm sure I've never given anyone a gift who loved football so much that I would give them like a football. 01:06:27 Speaker 3: Or something like. I don't think. I guess a jersey like. 01:06:31 Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe like a custom jersey or is that lame? I don't know if. 01:06:35 Speaker 4: It's their favorite player, if you know their favorite player, Like if someone gave me a jersey of my favorite player, I think that'd be a good gift, only because jerseys are pretty expensive. 01:06:46 Speaker 2: So how much is a jersey cost? Is that one hundred dollars? 01:06:48 Speaker 3: Yeah, get a little over that. 01:06:50 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I'm a I mean if you want to combine, maybe a jersey that says Tiaka Masalam said something that's too interested in one where jersey? Yeah, more like a sagpaneer. 01:07:05 Speaker 4: Yeah, I like that like like non bread, oh, like non bread on a basketball jersey. 01:07:11 Speaker 2: Like y, yeah, this is garlic non and uh. 01:07:14 Speaker 3: I would love football. 01:07:17 Speaker 4: No, I would love like restaurant jerseys, like a line of jerseys that could show where restaurants. 01:07:23 Speaker 2: Oh, I would that's a jersey I could wear where I'd be able to Like people could confront me and say, are you really a fan? And I'd say yes, I hate there. 01:07:29 Speaker 4: I know I have the problem where I wear football or wear athletic clothing because of the color as not because of this team, and I kind of a FRAUDU. 01:07:39 Speaker 3: So that would be nice to wear like a what's my favorite restaurant? Like a lot of red lobster, like a red lobster hat and just rock that ship. 01:07:48 Speaker 2: Yeah. I could be wearing like a Hummus plate jersey and be perfectly at ease with myself. 01:07:53 Speaker 4: And I don't think I've ever seen anyone give a gift get a gift card from for an Indian food restaurant. 01:07:58 Speaker 2: That's true. I would love one. Yeah, I love any It's the best. It's a that I mean going back to eating alone is a difficult thing to go to an Indian restaurant alone. You want to have a few dishes, yeah yeah, and you're not doing that alone unless you're like the King of England. 01:08:13 Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah, you feel very glad. 01:08:16 Speaker 2: Yeah, just like eating chicken right off the bone and this sort of thing. So it's so what was. 01:08:21 Speaker 3: His question was just like what should he do? 01:08:23 Speaker 2: Yeah, the winner of this fantasy football the thing about he has a politically active daughter. Who cares? I'm sorry, Christian, no one wants a gift to have to do that has to do with their politically active child. I think it's like a football jersey and maybe an Indian restaurant gift certificate. 01:08:45 Speaker 4: The fact that that's how the daughter's associated was like, Oh, you have that politically active daughter, right, I can't say something about it about the relationship already. It is like if that's what's defining the daughter, I don't know that's a gift. You want to do it in that area? 01:09:01 Speaker 2: That doesn't Yeah, that's not something that come into play. I know that Diane loves to get out and stump for different candidates. So I got you a button. I think you you stick to. I think an Indian food Yeah, like an Indian restaurant gift certificate. Maybe that makes sense. 01:09:22 Speaker 4: Move or do like find out a football a like a football player's favorite Indian restaurant and then get on a trip to that one. 01:09:33 Speaker 2: There you go, there you get, You're going to another. 01:09:40 Speaker 3: I just thought it was a gift. 01:09:42 Speaker 2: Are you fail you Okay, well, we've answered a couple of questions, like in a really world class way, I would say, so, no complaints there, Lamar. I think that we've had a nice time here. I'm about to set off on a new journe with the keys. While I'm going, it's up in the air. Just don't ask. 01:10:07 Speaker 4: I feel like you should read it when you fill in you're sitting around, just a little inspiration. 01:10:13 Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe I'll give it a shot. I could use a little bit of just uh, you know, get up and go, and the DJ has got it. I would love to be this lion with a key in its mouth. 01:10:25 Speaker 3: I know this. It really is kind of beautiful. 01:10:27 Speaker 2: That cover, yeah, gorgeous. 01:10:29 Speaker 3: I love those that color palette, the gold and purple. 01:10:32 Speaker 2: Very nice. Well, I think that's kind of the end of the show. Lamar, thank you so much for being here. Yeah, Bridgard, thanks having you have the all time best. 01:10:41 Speaker 3: This was great. 01:10:42 Speaker 4: I'm glad we got to talk about, you know, customer service. 01:10:48 Speaker 3: I really want to, you know, get that out there. 01:10:50 Speaker 2: We've got to get we've got to get that out into the into the world and just get some more opinions on that. And if you work at a restaurant, maybe don't I ever make an assumption about someone standing in the front. Maybe ask them why they or just say can I help you? I think that's very easy. 01:11:08 Speaker 3: You never know. 01:11:08 Speaker 2: Don't be a bad customer service representative. Okay, that's it. I said no gifts isn't exactly right production. It's engineered by Earth Angel Stephen Ray Morris. The theme song is by Miracle Worker Amy Man. You can follow the show on Instagram and Twitter. At I said no gifts, And if you have a question or need help getting a gift for someone in your life, email me at I said no gifts at gmail dot com. Listen and subscribe on Apple Podcasts, Stitcher or wherever you found me. And why not leave a review while you're at it? 01:11:46 Speaker 3: Why did you. 01:11:47 Speaker 1: Hear fun a man myself perfectly clear when you're I guess you gotta come to me empty? And I said no guests, your own presences, persons enough. I already had too much stuff, So how do you dare to surbey me?