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Speaker 1: Welcome to Good Game with Sarah Spain, where we're tying

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Speaker 1: bows to the backs of our shoes and dresses to

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Speaker 1: see if it gives us Naomi Osaka's superpowers. On today's show,

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Speaker 1: it's group Chat time. Two Paralympic badasses, Elena Nichols and

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Speaker 1: the biggest misconceptions around adaptive sports, and why the word

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Speaker 1: inspirational should be used with care. Plus, you can't win

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Speaker 1: if you lose, and the intero bang inspires our new

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Speaker 1: Here's what you need to know today. We're going to

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Speaker 1: keep it quick because we've got a great interview to

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Speaker 1: get to first Paralympics. The cauldron has been reignited and

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Speaker 1: the Paralympics are officially open. Today marks the first of

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Speaker 1: eleven days of competition. Some things to keep an eye

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Speaker 1: on today. In wheelchair rugby, the US and Canada, both

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Speaker 1: to heading group play. There's also a ton of swimming

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Speaker 1: finals of them, in fact, will dive deeper into Paralympic

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Speaker 1: competition later in today's group Chat. NCAA Volleyball is Back Baby.

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Speaker 1: The season officially kicked off on Tuesday with the star

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Speaker 1: studded AVCA First Serve Showcase. Number two. Nebraska defeated number

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Speaker 1: nine Kentucky, with Rebecca Alec and Merrett Beeson posting a

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Speaker 1: She came out of retirement to make another Olympic run,

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Speaker 1: winning silver with Team USA less than three weeks ago,

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Speaker 1: After going out to celebrate their silver medal. Larson and

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Speaker 1: about the accident on her Instagram story, saying, quote, decided

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Speaker 1: on the Huskers sideline to open the season. In the

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Speaker 1: latest Athletes On Magazine covers News, our rugby queen Alona

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Speaker 1: cover girl for the latest Sports Illustrated Swimsuit Issue. Other

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Speaker 1: to be a part of the sixtieth anniversary Legends photoshoot.

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Speaker 1: Congrats to all involved. I hope you felt powerful, beautiful,

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Speaker 1: wasn't empowering. Now, I've always loved the ESPN Body Issue

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Speaker 1: There's a fantastic illustrated explainer on that on Everyday Feminism

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Speaker 1: the Paralympics make a host city better during the games

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Speaker 1: that this year's Paralympic village is one hundred percent accessible

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Speaker 1: She's past president of the Women's Sports Foundation. She once

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Speaker 1: gifted me an awesome pair of hearings. It's Elena Nichols ay,

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Speaker 1: September of last year. We were on the Gatorade Women's

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Speaker 1: It's Scout Bassett. I were born to shine, That's all

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Speaker 2: Katie Ledecky getting on Insta yesterday being like, let's go Paralympics.

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Speaker 1: I completely agree with you about the hype around the Paralympics,

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Speaker 3: I'm actually quite excited because I'm also born to Paris,

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Speaker 2: two thousand and eight in bengjingg Like Cinderella's story, it

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Speaker 1: us being like we want to play give us some resources.

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Speaker 1: You know, Elena, one of the things that I've loved

431
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Speaker 1: talking to you about and that you so opened my

432
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Speaker 1: eyes on, was what a Paralympics can do for the

433
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Speaker 1: city that hosts it. We talk a lot every time

434
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Speaker 1: the Olympic cycle comes around about empty stadiums, displacement of people,

435
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Speaker 1: other negative outcomes that sometimes result from the Olympics coming

436
00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:53,280
Speaker 1: to town. But your perspective on post Paralympics towns is incredible.

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Speaker 1: Can you share a little that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely well, And I do want to just add

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00:24:58,600 --> 00:25:01,359
Speaker 2: Scout said, I'm such a great role model. I was

440
00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:09,320
Speaker 2: feeding my kid McDonald's the other day and guess who's

441
00:25:09,320 --> 00:25:11,679
Speaker 2: in the happy meal. Guess who I open up and

442
00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:13,640
Speaker 2: see on this beautiful poster.

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Speaker 6: Oh, Scout bass in a battie And.

444
00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:23,399
Speaker 2: I couldn't have been more proud. So thank you Scout

445
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Speaker 2: for doing what you do. And to comment on how

446
00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:32,280
Speaker 2: Paralympics changed the towns and the cities that they're held in.

447
00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:36,480
Speaker 2: You know, I'll never forget going to Beijing and that

448
00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:41,320
Speaker 2: was my first Games and seeing how there had just

449
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Speaker 2: been an earthquake, a devastating earthquake in one of the

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Speaker 2: nearby counts. Of Beijing, and one of the young girls

451
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Speaker 2: that had lost her leg in that earthquake was actually

452
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Speaker 2: performing at the opening ceremony of the Paralympics as a

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Speaker 2: ballerina with one leg, and around that everybody in that

454
00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:05,000
Speaker 2: stadium saw, Look, your life isn't over when you have

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Speaker 2: a disability. This is this is so doable. Let's work

456
00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:13,000
Speaker 2: with that, let's create, let's let's get more curious about

457
00:26:13,040 --> 00:26:17,199
Speaker 2: how we can integrate people with disabilities. And after, you know,

458
00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:20,280
Speaker 2: we were we were able to go onto the Great

459
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Speaker 2: Wall of China while we were there, and I guarantee

460
00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:26,120
Speaker 2: nobody in a wheelchair had really been on there. They

461
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Speaker 2: had adapted that, and all of the people saw it.

462
00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:32,919
Speaker 2: And you know, I just know that on a micro

463
00:26:33,080 --> 00:26:38,800
Speaker 2: and a macro level, this that the in the tone changes, right,

464
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Speaker 2: It's it's like, let's let's figure this out. We're not

465
00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:47,600
Speaker 2: shunning people with disabilities anymore. We're creating more ramps, We're

466
00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:52,840
Speaker 2: creating accessible spaces because that makes sense now that the

467
00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:56,159
Speaker 2: Paralympics has been healthier, that that just that's just what

468
00:26:56,200 --> 00:26:59,639
Speaker 2: we need to do. So it really requires the host

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Speaker 2: city to level up. And I love that about it.

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00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:05,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, just city planning. It requires you to think about it,

471
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Speaker 1: and once you've thought about it, the idea of going

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Speaker 1: back and not making somewhere accessible is sort of unthinkable.

473
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Speaker 1: And so when it gets to somewhere, how that changes

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Speaker 1: it is just really cool. I'm very excited to see

475
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Speaker 1: what happens in Los Angeles as a result of hosting

476
00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:20,359
Speaker 1: the Games in twenty twenty eight. That's going to be

477
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Speaker 1: pretty incredible. We're kind of running out of time here,

478
00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:24,000
Speaker 1: but I had one last thing I wanted to talk

479
00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:27,040
Speaker 1: to you about. My friend Pablo Torre has a great podcast,

480
00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:29,919
Speaker 1: and he just did a deep dive into cheating and

481
00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:32,159
Speaker 1: Paralympics and some of it's kind of mind blowing and

482
00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:33,800
Speaker 1: you're kind of surprised to hear about it, and then

483
00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:36,120
Speaker 1: you remember, well, duh, there's money to be made, there's

484
00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:38,840
Speaker 1: sponsorships to be earned. If you ain't cheating, you ain't trying.

485
00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:41,320
Speaker 1: That's a whole sports phrase for a reason. It's sports

486
00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:45,240
Speaker 1: you want to win. But some of it's cheating, like doping,

487
00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:48,960
Speaker 1: and some of it's specific to like trying to fib

488
00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:52,760
Speaker 1: your classification, where you try to get into a class

489
00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:54,720
Speaker 1: that you may not actually belong in order to compete

490
00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:57,320
Speaker 1: differently Scout, have you had experience with this or do

491
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Speaker 1: you have thoughts on how to curtail it?

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Speaker 3: First of all, I would say that form of cheating

493
00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:06,879
Speaker 3: is much more it's following the more common form in

494
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Speaker 3: Paralympics than the traditional you know form that people know

495
00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:15,919
Speaker 3: is through you know, ped use or something like that. Yes,

496
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Speaker 3: it's definitely. I've seen it with my own eyes. A

497
00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:27,439
Speaker 3: wheelchair athlete competing in a throwing seeded throwing event in

498
00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:32,720
Speaker 3: UH track and field video evidence of that person getting

499
00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:36,560
Speaker 3: out of their chair and walking into the elevator. They

500
00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:40,320
Speaker 3: were like, obviously not in Paralympics anymore once that was shown.

501
00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:44,720
Speaker 3: But like, it is really hard to to say what

502
00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:48,800
Speaker 3: the answer should be. I think one of it should

503
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Speaker 3: be that there just needs to be more medical evidence

504
00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:58,800
Speaker 3: and documentation of you know, perhaps a condition or or whatnot,

505
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Speaker 3: because so often, I know, when I got classified, I

506
00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:06,840
Speaker 3: was kind of a little shocked at like how little

507
00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:11,280
Speaker 3: support you know, I needed to provide in terms of

508
00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:14,680
Speaker 3: like the actual amputation was, what the level was like.

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Speaker 2: They just looked at me and they were like, oh,

510
00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:17,800
Speaker 2: she wears a knee.

511
00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:20,480
Speaker 1: And so.

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00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:23,160
Speaker 3: But meanwhile, we have girls in our class that actually

513
00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:24,880
Speaker 3: have their full knee joint and a little bit of

514
00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:25,360
Speaker 3: a TiVo.

515
00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:28,800
Speaker 2: So it's like, you know, I think that's part of it.

516
00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:33,520
Speaker 6: But also like this is on the Paralympic side also

517
00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:37,040
Speaker 6: where the classifiers probably need to have a little bit

518
00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:41,920
Speaker 6: more training and experience and more knowledge of And I

519
00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:44,680
Speaker 6: don't expect these people to be experts, right, like if

520
00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:48,040
Speaker 6: you don't live with the disability or you aren't any amputee,

521
00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:49,040
Speaker 6: like do you.

522
00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:50,240
Speaker 2: Even know what you're looking for?

523
00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:55,360
Speaker 3: And a lot of these classifiers are not right, And

524
00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:57,960
Speaker 3: so I think there's a lot of work to be done.

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00:29:58,240 --> 00:29:58,800
Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, I want to end on a more positive note

527
00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:05,840
Speaker 1: than that. So, Elena, I was looking at your resume

528
00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:10,160
Speaker 1: two thousand and eight, gold in basketball, twenty ten, two

529
00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:13,040
Speaker 1: golds of silver and a bronze, and skiing twenty twelve,

530
00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:18,200
Speaker 1: fourth place in basketball twenty fourteen, silver and downhill twenty sixteen.

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Speaker 1: You made your debut in para canoe. Why not just

532
00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:22,360
Speaker 1: throw a whole other sport in there, that's fun. Do

533
00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:24,360
Speaker 1: you have a standout memory? Do you have a best

534
00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:26,480
Speaker 1: memory from all of your Paralympics?

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Speaker 2: What an honor just to be there at the games.

536
00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:34,080
Speaker 2: But less than one percent of athletes get to metal

537
00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:40,520
Speaker 2: and then there's me that just feels I mean, how

538
00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:43,440
Speaker 2: did I get to make history and be the first woman? Right?

539
00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:47,680
Speaker 2: That just takes a fair amount of fortune. And Yeah,

540
00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:52,000
Speaker 2: my favorite memory I always default too is, you know,

541
00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:55,479
Speaker 2: Beijing was a Cinderella story and some of the hardest

542
00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:58,360
Speaker 2: work I've ever done. I prepared for five years. I

543
00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:00,640
Speaker 2: trained with the best women in the world, and we

544
00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:05,360
Speaker 2: all came together and won that despite so many things

545
00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:09,600
Speaker 2: that we had to overcome, including one of our coaching

546
00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:14,320
Speaker 2: positions had It was like adversity was coming out of anyways.

547
00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:15,280
Speaker 1: We won that goal.

548
00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:19,840
Speaker 2: That was memorable. But you know, whenever you see these

549
00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:25,520
Speaker 2: athletes on the podium and there's tears that are falling

550
00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:29,720
Speaker 2: and you think it's about the medal, it's usually more

551
00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:33,480
Speaker 2: personal than that. And in twenty ten, I lost my

552
00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:39,160
Speaker 2: brother just about six months before the Games, and the

553
00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:45,960
Speaker 2: sheer like heartbreak I had to work with to continue

554
00:31:46,040 --> 00:31:48,200
Speaker 2: to train, and the amount of times I had to

555
00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:51,640
Speaker 2: remind myself he would have wanted this. He was your

556
00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:54,800
Speaker 2: biggest fan. Keep going When I was crying in my

557
00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:58,440
Speaker 2: goggles and just wanted to wait, nothing mattered, Nothing mattered,

558
00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:02,240
Speaker 2: I lost a sibling, you know, and then to keep

559
00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:04,680
Speaker 2: going in the face of all of that, and then

560
00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:08,400
Speaker 2: to feel so favored, right, I felt just like so blessed,

561
00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:11,440
Speaker 2: like something was working for me out there. And I

562
00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:14,040
Speaker 2: came down and I won that first medal in twenty ten,

563
00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:16,719
Speaker 2: and honestly can't remember a second of it.

564
00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:19,480
Speaker 1: I was crying before it came down.

565
00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:23,400
Speaker 2: I saw my name on that JumboTron, and God, the

566
00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:28,080
Speaker 2: tears were spiritual. My brother was there, and I just

567
00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:31,200
Speaker 2: felt like that was the otherworldly for me, and I'll

568
00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:34,040
Speaker 2: never forget that, and I know he was there, So yeah,

569
00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:35,280
Speaker 2: really powerful.

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00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:39,120
Speaker 1: You have been through a lot, girl, and anybody who

571
00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:42,040
Speaker 1: follows you and knows your story understands how much of

572
00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:45,880
Speaker 1: your wisdom comes from those losses, losing your dad and

573
00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:48,560
Speaker 1: your brother and all the things, and it's turned you

574
00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:52,040
Speaker 1: into quite a powerful person. You've really spun it all

575
00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:55,200
Speaker 1: into some serious gold. So that's why I follow you.

576
00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:58,280
Speaker 1: Oh no, pun intended gold. Okay, we have to go.

577
00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:01,360
Speaker 1: We can't wait to watch the coverage, we can't wait

578
00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:04,040
Speaker 1: to get fired up about the Paralympics. And we're so

579
00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:05,320
Speaker 1: grateful for your perspective.

580
00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:08,080
Speaker 2: Thanks, ladies, Love you, Sarah, thank you, Thank you so

581
00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:09,320
Speaker 2: much for having us.

582
00:33:09,560 --> 00:33:12,360
Speaker 1: Everybody followed them. We're going to put their handles so

583
00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:16,880
Speaker 1: you can keep learning from their wisdom, especially Elena and

584
00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:20,360
Speaker 1: that baby Gunner. Gosh darn it, he is cute. We

585
00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:22,320
Speaker 1: got to take another break. When we come back, we

586
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Speaker 1: get technical and tactical with our punctuation and nicknames. It's

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Speaker 1: next Welcome back, Orange Slices. A few shows ago, we

588
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Speaker 1: told you about what appears to be a for the

589
00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:40,040
Speaker 1: love of the Game style romance between the Las Vegas

590
00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:42,920
Speaker 1: Aces Asia Wilson and the Miami Heats Bam at a bio.

591
00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:45,880
Speaker 1: They still haven't hard launched it, but that didn't stop

592
00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:49,040
Speaker 1: us from asking you for a celebrity nickname, a ship name,

593
00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:51,640
Speaker 1: if you will. We only got a few, but they

594
00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:56,719
Speaker 1: were solid. Marjorie H. Seventy nine said ja bam obviously,

595
00:33:58,400 --> 00:34:01,600
Speaker 1: which just makes me laugh. I don't know what, but jabam.

596
00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:05,960
Speaker 1: It's good. The winner, though. An answer that positively tickled

597
00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:10,800
Speaker 1: this English major and grammar lover was from eighty Joseph,

598
00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:13,640
Speaker 1: who said, in the spirit of the interaro bang, might

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00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:18,759
Speaker 1: I suggest apostre bam so in case you don't know,

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00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:21,799
Speaker 1: and intaro bang is a non standard punctuation mark meaning

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00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:23,840
Speaker 1: like not official, but it's still used. It looks like

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00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:27,000
Speaker 1: an exclamation point on top of a question mark. It's

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00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:28,919
Speaker 1: the one you'd most often use right after you said

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00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:32,840
Speaker 1: what the fuck. So anyway, we got the apostrophe in

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00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:36,880
Speaker 1: Asia's name. We got bam apostra bam. Oh, it's so good.

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Speaker 1: It's so good speaking of Asia. By the way, no

607
00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:42,840
Speaker 1: WNBA games tonight, But a quick thought on the Aces,

608
00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:45,120
Speaker 1: because they're making headlines for the wrong reasons, and they

609
00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:46,720
Speaker 1: were a topic on a whole bunch of the debate

610
00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:49,960
Speaker 1: shows yesterday, so here's the context for that. On Tuesday,

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00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:52,960
Speaker 1: Asia scored forty two points, but the ACE is lost

612
00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:56,160
Speaker 1: to the Dallas Wings ninety three ninety Wilson's forty two

613
00:34:56,200 --> 00:34:57,840
Speaker 1: points for the most by a player in a single

614
00:34:57,840 --> 00:35:00,919
Speaker 1: game so far this season, but her heroic weren't enough,

615
00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:03,120
Speaker 1: which has been a theme at times for these Aces,

616
00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:06,240
Speaker 1: and with the l they're now fifth in the WNBA standings.

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00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:09,719
Speaker 1: They're two and four since the Olympic break, and of

618
00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:12,000
Speaker 1: course Asia said, that's all that matters. Quote, we didn't

619
00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:14,319
Speaker 1: get the win, so none of this matters. Of course,

620
00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:16,760
Speaker 1: we're going to talk about her incredible performance, but also

621
00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:21,840
Speaker 1: how her incredible performances are sometimes lost in losses for

622
00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:24,479
Speaker 1: the Aces, and some folks are confident that they'll figure

623
00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:26,479
Speaker 1: it out. They point to their record after Chelsea Gray

624
00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:29,400
Speaker 1: came back as the only thing that matters. You know,

625
00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:32,120
Speaker 1: once Chelsea Gray was back from injury, they've been mostly

626
00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:34,200
Speaker 1: a winning team. They just needs more time to catch

627
00:35:34,239 --> 00:35:36,520
Speaker 1: up in the standings. But others are looking at a

628
00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:39,880
Speaker 1: Liberty team that looks pretty much unbeatable and teams in

629
00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:41,440
Speaker 1: the Sun and Links that can also get a w

630
00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:43,799
Speaker 1: on any given night, and wondering if we actually need

631
00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:46,160
Speaker 1: to start worrying about the Aces and time running out

632
00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:50,160
Speaker 1: for them to fix things, especially their defensive woes. And

633
00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:53,719
Speaker 1: you can count me in the latter because Asia's been unstoppable.

634
00:35:54,120 --> 00:35:55,800
Speaker 1: But the Aces for me are not a favorite to

635
00:35:55,880 --> 00:35:58,920
Speaker 1: three p. They have some serious issues to fix before

636
00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:01,440
Speaker 1: the postseason, and I'm starting to wonder where I can

637
00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:03,480
Speaker 1: even slop them in the top of the league. All

638
00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:05,560
Speaker 1: season long, I've sort of felt like they're going to

639
00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:09,080
Speaker 1: figure it out, and now I'm not so sure. What

640
00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:10,880
Speaker 1: do you guys think. We love that you're listening, but

641
00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:12,520
Speaker 1: we want you to get in the game. Every day too,

642
00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:15,200
Speaker 1: So here's our good gameplay of the day. First, we'll

643
00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:17,160
Speaker 1: ask you on social how you feel about the Aces.

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