WEBVTT - Draft Show: LIVE @ 2019 NFL Combine - Day 1 0:00:03.320 --> 0:00:07.920 This is the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Show. Cowboys 0:00:07.960 --> 0:00:11.600 on there war room for in center news and draft analysis, 0:00:11.760 --> 0:00:17.640 Dallas Cowboys select Ezekiel Elliott and now your hosts Dane Brusler, 0:00:17.960 --> 0:00:23.639 David Hellman, and Brian brought us well. As promised, we 0:00:23.720 --> 0:00:26.639 are here in Indianapolis, Indiana, for the two thousand and 0:00:26.760 --> 0:00:30.520 nineteen version of the NFL Scouting Combine. As the big 0:00:30.560 --> 0:00:33.800 voice guy says, I'm Brian brought us along with Dame Krugler, 0:00:34.640 --> 0:00:39.440 David Hellman, Kent Garrison, executive producing here from the Convention 0:00:39.520 --> 0:00:44.920 Center downtown Indianapolis. Uh, guys, excited to be here. Good 0:00:44.920 --> 0:00:47.400 to be here with you, Brian. Yeah. My twenty seventh 0:00:47.600 --> 0:00:52.600 combine nice was six for me, six combines for you, 0:00:53.560 --> 0:00:57.640 nine nine for the great Dane Brugler. So yeah, so yeah, 0:00:57.680 --> 0:01:00.320 that's uh, that's part of it though. That's that's the Grady. 0:01:00.400 --> 0:01:02.760 That's the beauty of this is that we get to 0:01:02.760 --> 0:01:05.760 come here and be a part of this. Enjoyed so much. 0:01:05.840 --> 0:01:07.280 It's so much part of what we do with the 0:01:07.360 --> 0:01:11.119 Draft show. You know, we handled the early stuff with 0:01:11.200 --> 0:01:14.120 the Senior Bowl, did that all week, and then now 0:01:14.160 --> 0:01:17.320 we've got the combine to come to this is where Dane, 0:01:17.360 --> 0:01:21.880 that we get to see the medical, the interview, right, 0:01:22.080 --> 0:01:25.360 and then the actual workouts. We talked about that before 0:01:25.360 --> 0:01:29.920 we came here. Nothing has really changed as far as 0:01:29.959 --> 0:01:32.720 that goes, as far as you're concerned, right, And the 0:01:32.760 --> 0:01:34.920 reason we have the combines the medicals, and you know, 0:01:35.000 --> 0:01:38.360 unfortunately the top two reasons, the medicals and the interviews. 0:01:38.560 --> 0:01:41.360 We really don't have access to that in terms of 0:01:41.400 --> 0:01:43.760 the player interviews with the teams and all that. But 0:01:43.840 --> 0:01:46.520 we will have access to the players here during a 0:01:46.560 --> 0:01:50.800 media session starting tomorrow. Offensive linemen and running lines exactly so, 0:01:50.880 --> 0:01:54.400 and then on Friday, but what quarterbacks, wide, receivers, tight end, 0:01:54.480 --> 0:01:57.400 So it will have a good mix of player interviews 0:01:57.400 --> 0:01:59.800 coming the next few days, and then on Friday we 0:01:59.800 --> 0:02:02.440 get to see the unfield actions. Start with the offensive linemen. 0:02:02.520 --> 0:02:04.920 The running backs go through drills, not just the forty 0:02:04.960 --> 0:02:07.840 yard dash, the agility drills, but the positional drills, and 0:02:08.200 --> 0:02:10.680 that you can tell a lot with especially these offensive linemen. 0:02:10.800 --> 0:02:12.440 You know, how do they pop up, by their stance, 0:02:12.560 --> 0:02:15.320 their shuffle, and when you see these guys one after 0:02:15.360 --> 0:02:17.840 the other after the other, it really puts in perspective 0:02:18.280 --> 0:02:20.239 just how well they move or how well they don't move, 0:02:20.680 --> 0:02:23.560 and so that really helps evaluation purposes. And as we 0:02:23.639 --> 0:02:28.040 started the combine, Steven Jones Jerry Jones will be on 0:02:28.120 --> 0:02:31.160 Saturday to end the combine. But we got a chance 0:02:31.200 --> 0:02:34.040 to talk to Steven Jones yesterday. He kind of filled 0:02:34.120 --> 0:02:37.600 us in on Dallas Cowboys dot Com, you Rob Phillips 0:02:37.720 --> 0:02:41.520 writing about that the direction that they might be looking 0:02:41.560 --> 0:02:45.160 at how they're going to evaluate these prospects in this 0:02:45.280 --> 0:02:49.440 upcoming combine. Yeah, we're really lucky because Stephen is obviously 0:02:49.480 --> 0:02:52.880 he's part of the NFL Competition Committee. They start their meetings, 0:02:52.919 --> 0:02:54.919 you know, days before the rest of us get here. 0:02:55.440 --> 0:02:57.079 So we're fortunate in the sense, you know, we don't 0:02:57.160 --> 0:02:59.120 have to wait like the rest of these guys do 0:02:59.200 --> 0:03:01.240 you know, GMS and just started talking today. We got 0:03:01.280 --> 0:03:04.160 Stephen a day early. It's right there for you on 0:03:04.240 --> 0:03:06.520 the website. He broke down the draft, he broke down 0:03:06.600 --> 0:03:09.960 free agency, talked about Jason Garrett's contract, I mean you 0:03:10.040 --> 0:03:12.040 name it. You know, got off to a running start 0:03:12.200 --> 0:03:15.040 like we always do because Steven's always here early. It's great, hey, 0:03:15.200 --> 0:03:16.919 it is. It does It makes your job a lot 0:03:16.919 --> 0:03:18.640 easier when you can get that kind of knocked that 0:03:18.680 --> 0:03:21.440 out of the way. There's a lot of talk about 0:03:21.520 --> 0:03:25.080 what's going on with DeMarcus Lawrence's contract. Yeah, they have 0:03:25.240 --> 0:03:29.680 to March fifth for a tag situation there. Yep, hopeful, optimistic, 0:03:29.760 --> 0:03:32.600 whatever you want to say about that that potentially that 0:03:32.680 --> 0:03:35.560 they can get a deal done. Kind of get the 0:03:35.720 --> 0:03:38.320 like you hear whispers that maybe they'll have a deal 0:03:38.360 --> 0:03:40.920 done by the fifth, Yeah, which I mean, we'll see, 0:03:40.960 --> 0:03:43.400 that's only six days away. I don't want to, Well, 0:03:43.400 --> 0:03:45.480 this is a good opportunity in Annapolis. You know, his 0:03:45.600 --> 0:03:48.800 representatives will be here, you know, Stephen, it was a 0:03:48.880 --> 0:03:51.560 surprising amount of transparency, said, you know, they've made an 0:03:51.600 --> 0:03:54.880 offer to Demarcus's camp. They're planning on meeting with him here, 0:03:56.320 --> 0:03:57.880 and I just I think it's a matter of time. 0:03:57.960 --> 0:03:59.840 Maybe they'll have to use the tag on him, like that. 0:04:00.160 --> 0:04:02.720 They're not gonna not sign to Marcus and they're not 0:04:02.760 --> 0:04:04.920 gonna not tag him if it comes to that, you know, 0:04:04.960 --> 0:04:07.840 like he will be under contract with the Cowboys one 0:04:07.880 --> 0:04:10.640 way or the other. Like I said, you know, Stephen 0:04:10.640 --> 0:04:13.000 doesn't know the timeline, so I definitely don't. But I 0:04:13.120 --> 0:04:16.840 just I feel beyond confident that a deal will get 0:04:16.839 --> 0:04:18.680 done with him between now and July. And as our 0:04:18.720 --> 0:04:22.120 ship was sailing very smoothly through waters here in Indianapolis 0:04:22.200 --> 0:04:24.720 yesterday afternoon, burying the lead a little bit. Yeah, then 0:04:24.720 --> 0:04:28.800 our mask of the sailboat broke and we were rudderless 0:04:28.880 --> 0:04:30.880 out there really without I wish our I went. You know, 0:04:30.920 --> 0:04:33.200 we're we're on webcam right now. I wish we had 0:04:33.200 --> 0:04:35.200 a webcam of all of us when we were trying 0:04:35.200 --> 0:04:38.600 to check into our hotel, literally checking into our hotel, 0:04:39.240 --> 0:04:41.680 you know, running the credit cards for incidentals and all that. 0:04:41.800 --> 0:04:44.320 And that's when the news breaks, Not when we're talking 0:04:44.360 --> 0:04:46.720 to Stephen, but while we're trying to check into our 0:04:46.760 --> 0:04:50.800 hotel that the news breaks that Randy Gregory's been suspended indefinitely. Yeah. 0:04:50.839 --> 0:04:54.200 Good times. Um yeah, kind of put a damper on 0:04:54.240 --> 0:04:56.160 the early going. It did, it did? It did put 0:04:56.160 --> 0:04:59.080 a little damper things were going along well. Dame Brugler, 0:04:59.560 --> 0:05:05.479 Dallas Cowboy fans, if they're looking for defensive tackles, defensive ends, 0:05:05.560 --> 0:05:08.839 this is something that Rod Marinelli talk to me about 0:05:08.880 --> 0:05:11.680 at the Star. You know, hey, I'm looking for guys. 0:05:11.720 --> 0:05:15.080 He kind of thinks third, fourth round, maybe that he 0:05:15.320 --> 0:05:18.600 could could grab one of those guys. Does the Randy 0:05:18.680 --> 0:05:21.760 Gregory situation make you what you know about this team? 0:05:21.800 --> 0:05:23.880 Does it make you think, Okay, got to grab a 0:05:23.920 --> 0:05:28.919 defensive end first, or defensive tackle, which will stretch a 0:05:28.920 --> 0:05:31.360 little bit better for you if you're if you're talking 0:05:31.400 --> 0:05:35.040 about that guy maybe in the third or fourth round. 0:05:35.080 --> 0:05:39.159 There the defensive line group we know is a strength 0:05:39.200 --> 0:05:41.640 of this draft, but I think in terms of stretching, 0:05:41.960 --> 0:05:45.480 it's the edge more so than on the interior. So fans, 0:05:45.600 --> 0:05:48.680 cowboy fans and fans, if you're of anybody, if you're 0:05:48.720 --> 0:05:51.000 a fan that's watching us from another team, if you 0:05:51.160 --> 0:05:54.200 are a team that needs a defensive end, you have 0:05:54.320 --> 0:05:58.159 to feel pretty good about rounds one through say four, 0:05:58.279 --> 0:06:00.000 at least, right And that's fair. But at the same time, 0:06:00.839 --> 0:06:03.240 it's also one of the more important positions on your roster, 0:06:03.400 --> 0:06:06.279 even more so than on the interior. So I'm not 0:06:06.279 --> 0:06:08.800 going to bypass a really good pass rusher in the 0:06:08.800 --> 0:06:11.120 second round just because I feel good about my third 0:06:11.200 --> 0:06:13.960 round options. At the second round, I want a player. 0:06:14.000 --> 0:06:16.120 I want a playmaker, and if that's off the edge, 0:06:16.360 --> 0:06:18.680 especially someone I could take pressure off to Marcus Lawrence, 0:06:19.080 --> 0:06:21.240 I'm pulling the trigger. I'm going to get him, even 0:06:21.279 --> 0:06:23.520 if there is a talented interior guy. I'm glad. I'm 0:06:23.520 --> 0:06:26.120 glad you're not being a sunshine pumper right now, Dane. No, 0:06:26.200 --> 0:06:28.640 that's what this show's not about that. I know. It's 0:06:28.680 --> 0:06:31.160 about being honest. Which yeah, and I wasn't trying to 0:06:31.160 --> 0:06:33.680 accuse anybody, No, I know you weren't. I just yeah, 0:06:33.760 --> 0:06:37.359 it's it's I think that's important because I think about that. Okay, 0:06:37.400 --> 0:06:41.960 So Randy Gregory suspended, and definitely theoretically it's possible he 0:06:42.160 --> 0:06:44.760 is reinstated in time for the season. It's certainly not 0:06:44.800 --> 0:06:47.479 something I would dream of counting on. That's a terrible 0:06:47.520 --> 0:06:52.760 idea that leaves you with Taco Charlton, which okay, well 0:06:52.960 --> 0:06:55.200 we'll get to that. We can get to Taco. But 0:06:55.320 --> 0:06:56.760 you know, no, I want to ask you about that 0:06:56.760 --> 0:07:00.320 because Jason Garret. I asked the question of Jason Garrett today. Yeah, 0:07:00.360 --> 0:07:04.200 about Taco, you know, and what the expectations are Taco. 0:07:04.279 --> 0:07:06.160 He's a first round pick who has yet to play 0:07:06.160 --> 0:07:08.080 like it, who's entering the third year of his deal. 0:07:08.120 --> 0:07:10.040 And I think it was Bill Parcells who said, like, 0:07:10.080 --> 0:07:12.080 that's the year, right, you gotta do it if if 0:07:12.120 --> 0:07:13.480 you're ever gonna do it, you got to do it 0:07:13.520 --> 0:07:16.720 in the third year. I think it says a lot 0:07:16.760 --> 0:07:18.880 about what he's done so far in his career that 0:07:19.680 --> 0:07:22.760 people are panicking about defensive end without Randy Gregory. I mean, 0:07:22.800 --> 0:07:25.400 if you've got a first round pick entering his third 0:07:25.440 --> 0:07:28.640 year at the position, typically you'd like to think you're good, 0:07:29.080 --> 0:07:31.280 which the fact that people think they're not is bad. 0:07:31.280 --> 0:07:33.320 Well right now, if you as you look at it, 0:07:33.360 --> 0:07:36.800 you would say, well, it's it's Crawford and Tacco at 0:07:36.800 --> 0:07:40.239 the right defensive end, and then you look at Tank 0:07:40.400 --> 0:07:42.600 not and I would think I would think Tank and 0:07:42.680 --> 0:07:46.040 Taco on the left and Crawford and Dorian's Armstrong on 0:07:46.040 --> 0:07:48.640 the right. Either either way, but you got those four. 0:07:48.920 --> 0:07:51.680 That's what I'm saying though, So my main we can 0:07:51.720 --> 0:07:53.920 get to it. He's telling me, I got defensive ends 0:07:53.920 --> 0:07:55.920 in this draft, So I mean, you should feel good 0:07:55.960 --> 0:07:58.200 about that. That's the route you're gonna go. You're making 0:07:58.240 --> 0:08:00.520 my point for me, though, because how much did you 0:08:00.520 --> 0:08:03.240 like Dorn's Armstrong. I think we had Dorn's Armstrong like 0:08:03.240 --> 0:08:05.440 in the fourth round me personally, and you liked him 0:08:05.440 --> 0:08:07.040 as a player. I liked him as a player. Yeah, 0:08:07.120 --> 0:08:09.120 he had a good training Yeah, absolutely, what did he 0:08:09.200 --> 0:08:11.680 do for you? See, that's the thing about it, he 0:08:11.800 --> 0:08:14.440 wasn't I mean, it's a and I'm better that he 0:08:14.480 --> 0:08:17.360 was better than was he initially better than Taco? Yeah? No, 0:08:17.440 --> 0:08:19.560 and he wasn't bad. And that's my point. I'm not 0:08:19.600 --> 0:08:21.800 trying to I'm not fourteen games I believe he played. 0:08:21.840 --> 0:08:23.880 I'm not trying to crap on Dorn's armstrong. Yeah, it's 0:08:23.920 --> 0:08:26.880 a hard position to get production from unless you are 0:08:27.560 --> 0:08:30.200 Bradley Chubb or Miles Garrett, like the guys that can 0:08:30.200 --> 0:08:32.360 make an impact as rookies are going at the top 0:08:32.440 --> 0:08:35.800 of the draft and not one six overall. And I 0:08:35.840 --> 0:08:38.720 think that that is the problem for the Dallas Cowboys 0:08:38.800 --> 0:08:41.920 is you're losing a guy who had six sacks, and 0:08:42.559 --> 0:08:45.120 you know, unless you're drafting this guy at fifty eight 0:08:45.160 --> 0:08:48.280 and even maybe then, you're probably not getting a guy 0:08:48.280 --> 0:08:51.040 in the draft who's going to make a significant impact year. Okay, 0:08:51.080 --> 0:08:57.360 take Bosa, Alan Sweat Ferrell, polite o, this burns, take 0:08:57.480 --> 0:09:00.400 him out of this, take him out of the possibility. Okay, 0:09:00.559 --> 0:09:02.400 pick me a guy though that I can hang my 0:09:02.440 --> 0:09:04.040 hat and maybe I have to hang my hat on 0:09:04.080 --> 0:09:06.560 a guy at fifty eight is call your the kid 0:09:06.600 --> 0:09:09.920 from TC, call your Yeah. I think he makes some sense. Um, 0:09:10.160 --> 0:09:13.120 he's he has a big week this week just interviews. Um. 0:09:13.160 --> 0:09:15.959 You know he late bloomer. Um, you know, really wasn't 0:09:16.000 --> 0:09:18.920 a full time starter till this year, had six sacks. Um. 0:09:19.080 --> 0:09:21.840 I think in ten starts. Uh. So he just has 0:09:21.880 --> 0:09:24.520 a big week in terms of proving during the interview 0:09:24.559 --> 0:09:28.040 process on the field that he is capable of, you know, 0:09:28.080 --> 0:09:29.880 being the guy. I really like his potential. I gave 0:09:29.920 --> 0:09:31.840 him a late second grade is that would fall in 0:09:31.880 --> 0:09:34.559 line with you know where the cowboys are picking. But 0:09:34.600 --> 0:09:37.520 I think there will be options. You know. Jalen Ferguson 0:09:37.520 --> 0:09:40.600 from Louisiana Tech, okay with you. I'm with you on this. 0:09:41.160 --> 0:09:43.760 He's he's a speed to power rusher. You know that 0:09:43.800 --> 0:09:46.560 that's his specialty. Uses that length at forward lean where 0:09:46.600 --> 0:09:49.280 you can beat up on guys. All he did was 0:09:50.440 --> 0:09:52.920 set the FBS all time record in sacks. So not 0:09:52.960 --> 0:09:55.960 bad in terms of production. Uh, there's a lot to 0:09:56.040 --> 0:09:59.319 like with with Ferguson. I've seen him in first rounds. 0:09:59.360 --> 0:10:01.200 I don't that doesn't makes sense to me. But in 0:10:01.240 --> 0:10:03.840 a second round. That's where I think Ferguson would make 0:10:03.880 --> 0:10:06.040 sense if he's there at fifty eight. Sign me up, 0:10:06.280 --> 0:10:08.560 DeAndre Walker from Georgia. I was gonna ask you about 0:10:08.559 --> 0:10:10.439 Walker from Georgia. Do you think he's a hand on 0:10:10.480 --> 0:10:13.199 the ground and do you think he's better standing up? 0:10:13.240 --> 0:10:15.320 And you know for a three four is he gonna 0:10:15.320 --> 0:10:17.600 be a T. J. Watt for this team? Yeah? Where 0:10:17.920 --> 0:10:20.319 you know, six two two forty six kind of right 0:10:20.360 --> 0:10:23.040 now is what we're thinking. And O'Shane is as a 0:10:23.120 --> 0:10:27.040 menez Winovich. I think these guys also fall now. Winovich 0:10:27.160 --> 0:10:30.960 is from Michigan, and I wasn't as I like him, 0:10:31.040 --> 0:10:33.440 but I wasn't in love with him. Okay, I really 0:10:33.480 --> 0:10:38.960 really was. Now Nimis, I had him initially really high. 0:10:39.000 --> 0:10:41.560 I thought a second round grade on him, yeah, and 0:10:41.600 --> 0:10:43.800 then I started kind of going through my stack of guys. 0:10:44.120 --> 0:10:46.240 Nimis is from Old Dominion, by the way, just if 0:10:46.280 --> 0:10:48.960 you're falling along at home, and I was kind of 0:10:48.960 --> 0:10:51.120 thinking second round guy. And then also it's like, wait 0:10:51.160 --> 0:10:53.400 a minute, I got Walker, you know, I've got I've 0:10:53.440 --> 0:10:55.360 got some guys that I feel like it are a 0:10:55.360 --> 0:10:58.280 little bit better. I understand what you're saying about Walker. 0:10:58.320 --> 0:11:01.040 But with those guys that are do they fit this team? 0:11:01.120 --> 0:11:04.360 Is what I'm saying. Because Zamenez was two hundred forty pounds. Yeah, 0:11:04.400 --> 0:11:06.440 at the Senior Bowl. I feel like I think y'all 0:11:06.440 --> 0:11:08.880 are kind of inadvertently making my point, which is that 0:11:08.960 --> 0:11:11.199 we talked about this off the year. There's always exceptions. 0:11:11.360 --> 0:11:14.559 Carl Lawson was a guy that you love, fell to 0:11:14.600 --> 0:11:17.200 the fourth round a couple years ago to Cincinnati, who's 0:11:17.240 --> 0:11:20.800 great right away. Yeah, but there are positions in the 0:11:20.920 --> 0:11:23.240 NFL where you can plug a mid round rookie right 0:11:23.280 --> 0:11:26.760 in and expect success. Edge Rusher's not usually one of them. No, 0:11:26.920 --> 0:11:31.800 Like once, once you're outside the top forty, it's not normal. 0:11:32.240 --> 0:11:35.320 And so you know Dorn's armstrong. You know, he had 0:11:35.360 --> 0:11:37.760 a good rookie season for a fourth round defensive end. 0:11:37.760 --> 0:11:40.320 He played in most of the games, had a half 0:11:40.360 --> 0:11:43.240 sack and a couple you're saying, you're saying, no panic. 0:11:43.920 --> 0:11:46.360 I'm kind of saying panic honestly, not panic. I don't 0:11:46.360 --> 0:11:49.800 like the word panic. I feel I feel both ways simultaneously. 0:11:49.880 --> 0:11:52.920 In terms of the draft. This doesn't change anything for me. 0:11:53.040 --> 0:11:55.800 Like you're supposed to turn over every stone you're supposed 0:11:55.800 --> 0:11:58.719 to take the best player available. Randy Gregory. You know, 0:11:58.760 --> 0:12:01.840 the Cowboys been saying for ever that these are problems 0:12:01.880 --> 0:12:05.360 that he knew, they knew, they knew. Jerry Jones and 0:12:05.400 --> 0:12:07.600 Stephen Jones were saying the day he was reinstated that 0:12:07.679 --> 0:12:09.560 these are battles he'll be fighting for the rest of 0:12:09.600 --> 0:12:12.480 his career. So in that regard, like you shouldn't be shocked, 0:12:12.640 --> 0:12:14.840 It shouldn't change anything because you should be looking at 0:12:14.840 --> 0:12:17.520 defensive ends anyway. I guess the main point I'm trying 0:12:17.520 --> 0:12:19.080 to make and it gets away from the draft, so 0:12:19.120 --> 0:12:21.600 I apologize for that. But you know what have we 0:12:21.600 --> 0:12:23.800 been talking about this whole week since Stephen Jones started talking. 0:12:23.800 --> 0:12:25.800 It's like, how do the Cowboys take the next step? Right? 0:12:26.440 --> 0:12:28.920 That's been a big yeah. If the Cowboys want to 0:12:28.960 --> 0:12:31.559 take the next step with this team as it is 0:12:31.640 --> 0:12:33.559 right now, if Randy Gregory's not part of it, they 0:12:33.600 --> 0:12:36.680 probably have to invest in Pass Rusher in free agency, honestly, 0:12:37.120 --> 0:12:40.280 and it doesn't have to be Ziggyanza, but they need 0:12:40.320 --> 0:12:42.439 another guy who can come in here and get them pressure. 0:12:42.480 --> 0:12:45.560 I think let me let me throw a loop into this. 0:12:46.080 --> 0:12:50.400 Let's say there is a Manta Sweat or to Chipolite 0:12:50.480 --> 0:12:51.880 or some of these guys who all of a sudden, 0:12:51.880 --> 0:12:56.680 he's available twenty six, twenty seven. You call your buddies 0:12:56.679 --> 0:12:59.040 over at the Raiders and say they're sitting right next 0:12:59.040 --> 0:13:00.840 to us. Yeah, right here, But pick what are that? 0:13:00.920 --> 0:13:04.520 Twenty four, twenty four and twenty seven seven? Someone at 0:13:04.520 --> 0:13:10.480 twenty four? Okay, given up? See that's what that's that's 0:13:10.520 --> 0:13:12.240 the thing about it. Did you take a number one 0:13:12.240 --> 0:13:13.920 next year? Yea, Yeah, it's gonna take you one. It 0:13:13.960 --> 0:13:17.040 might take the fifty eight to get there too. It's 0:13:17.040 --> 0:13:19.000 good take it's gonna take both. So you have you're 0:13:19.000 --> 0:13:21.240 gonna have to. You're gonna twenty four and pick ninety one. 0:13:21.320 --> 0:13:23.520 Those are your image picks. That's the first round or 0:13:23.520 --> 0:13:25.600 next year. That's just okay. But let me ask you this. 0:13:26.280 --> 0:13:28.440 Let me ask you this. What if one of those 0:13:28.480 --> 0:13:31.280 tight ends was sitting there at twenty four. Now it 0:13:31.520 --> 0:13:34.560 probably not probably not Hawkinson, probably not Hawkerson. But what 0:13:34.600 --> 0:13:38.160 if one of those other is the is it Sweat 0:13:38.720 --> 0:13:41.760 or one of these other defensive ends that we're talking about. Yeah, 0:13:42.679 --> 0:13:46.000 a better option than you try to just paint a 0:13:46.080 --> 0:13:48.520 picture that well, you want to go get a free agent. 0:13:48.600 --> 0:13:50.320 Well this and this, it kind of goes back to 0:13:50.360 --> 0:13:52.320 my point is I don't want to be in a 0:13:52.360 --> 0:13:55.560 position where I have to mortgage next year's Draft four 0:13:55.679 --> 0:13:58.320 or something that I need. And that's the Cowboys always 0:13:58.360 --> 0:13:59.959 say that they don't want to do that. They want, 0:14:00.520 --> 0:14:03.120 you know, paper over their cracks so that they can 0:14:03.160 --> 0:14:06.200 do what's right instead of what they need. And that's why. 0:14:06.240 --> 0:14:08.600 So again I'm not saying to go break the bank 0:14:08.640 --> 0:14:11.720 for Ziggy Onza, but even you know, even if it's 0:14:11.720 --> 0:14:14.600 a journeyman, they I think, you go get a guy 0:14:14.679 --> 0:14:16.840 who can be counted on to play. I actually, you know, 0:14:16.880 --> 0:14:18.679 before the show, I looked this up. I don't know 0:14:18.720 --> 0:14:22.120 if all these names are are realistic, but Alex okafor 0:14:22.240 --> 0:14:24.040 is a guy who had four sacks for the Saints 0:14:24.120 --> 0:14:28.320 last year. He hit a sack mark that Benny Curry 0:14:28.480 --> 0:14:30.400 didn't have a great year for Tampa Bay, but you've 0:14:30.440 --> 0:14:32.600 seen him do it for years. He's on the wrong 0:14:32.640 --> 0:14:35.680 side of thirty. But again, beggars can't be choosers. Dante 0:14:35.800 --> 0:14:39.080 Fowler played a bit role for the Rams. Yeah, I'm 0:14:39.160 --> 0:14:41.560 fascinated to see what his market would be because he's 0:14:41.560 --> 0:14:43.960 got top ten talent. But has never produced like a 0:14:43.960 --> 0:14:49.160 top ten player. And then Brandon Graham again, and this 0:14:49.200 --> 0:14:51.880 is it's a premium position, so these these prices will 0:14:51.920 --> 0:14:54.320 probably be inflated, Like you're not going to be thrilled 0:14:54.360 --> 0:14:57.000 with what you'd have to pay, but in light of 0:14:57.040 --> 0:15:00.520 losing your number two pass rusher, you might not have 0:15:00.560 --> 0:15:03.080 a choice. Okay, as we look at this draft, then 0:15:03.640 --> 0:15:10.800 from the Cowboys angle, veteran safety, veteran end, veteran tight end, 0:15:11.760 --> 0:15:15.680 veteran wide receiver. M okay, it sounds like on top 0:15:15.720 --> 0:15:17.760 of the deals you got to do with your occurrent Okay, 0:15:17.800 --> 0:15:20.920 but if you could take one and now you take 0:15:21.000 --> 0:15:24.080 one and then you tell me, okay, in the draft, 0:15:25.120 --> 0:15:28.360 don't worry about this. Don't worry about this, don't worry 0:15:28.360 --> 0:15:32.120 about this. Right, take me the position that you don't 0:15:32.160 --> 0:15:34.720 feel the best about in the draft of the ones 0:15:34.760 --> 0:15:36.840 I just named, I think I have an idea what 0:15:36.880 --> 0:15:44.760 I would take. Set the positions again, pass tight end, safety, receiver, 0:15:44.160 --> 0:15:47.600 slot receiver. Okay, yeah, for me, it's easy safety. In 0:15:47.720 --> 0:15:49.400 terms of what I feel good about in the draft. 0:15:49.920 --> 0:15:51.920 You're saying you feel the least good about getting that 0:15:51.920 --> 0:15:54.080 position in the draft. Safety, I would agree with that 0:15:54.280 --> 0:15:56.760 he's totally You guys are totally right and not to mention. 0:15:56.880 --> 0:16:00.280 Let's just totally right. Yeah, let's call a spade a spade. Yeah, guy, 0:16:00.320 --> 0:16:02.760 you can get in free agency at safety is far 0:16:02.960 --> 0:16:05.160 better than the options that are available to you at 0:16:05.160 --> 0:16:07.680 the other position. See, I would be terrified right now 0:16:07.680 --> 0:16:09.880 if I had to draft a safety. I think that 0:16:10.000 --> 0:16:13.560 maybe terrified it's a bad word, mister, mister I'd rather 0:16:13.680 --> 0:16:16.360 draft is terrified of draft? No, No, I'm I would. 0:16:16.400 --> 0:16:19.040 I would be I would be nervous about drafting a 0:16:19.120 --> 0:16:23.000 potential safety. What about Jonathan Abram Mississippi State, you know, 0:16:23.320 --> 0:16:26.840 very steady guy. What about Mike Bella, that's a These 0:16:26.840 --> 0:16:29.360 are all names I wrote about these guys today. Yeah, 0:16:29.400 --> 0:16:32.240 these are all names you're gonna hear. You're gonna hear. 0:16:32.320 --> 0:16:36.360 You're gonna hear about Abram and Gardiner Johnson from Florida. 0:16:36.480 --> 0:16:39.760 You know you're gonna hear about Thorne Ill from Virginia. 0:16:39.840 --> 0:16:42.400 But are they better than what we're talking about at 0:16:42.440 --> 0:16:45.160 defensive end? Are they better than what we're talking about 0:16:45.160 --> 0:16:48.080 at tight end? Are they better than you know? That's 0:16:48.120 --> 0:16:51.440 what I'm trying to I'm playing Devil's advo completely. Did 0:16:51.480 --> 0:16:54.360 you hear you see what Richard Sherman said about Arl Thomas? No, 0:16:55.160 --> 0:16:57.760 he said, this is a quote from today from the 0:16:57.800 --> 0:17:01.120 Athletic um. If Aallas is a player in it, I'm 0:17:01.160 --> 0:17:03.560 not gonna lie. He's going to go with Dallas. That's 0:17:03.560 --> 0:17:05.600 his home. If the money is equal, if all things 0:17:05.600 --> 0:17:09.960 are equal, he's going to Dallas. So okay, that' sherm 0:17:09.960 --> 0:17:13.640 for the way. And Richard Sherman's actively recruiting, well, Earl 0:17:13.720 --> 0:17:16.159 Thomas to be in San Francisco. But he's being honest 0:17:16.240 --> 0:17:18.439 that it's funny he's going to Dallas. Well, it's funny 0:17:18.480 --> 0:17:20.800 that that. I had no idea. Sherman said that. But 0:17:20.920 --> 0:17:22.639 I you know, I was talking to a friend in 0:17:22.680 --> 0:17:25.320 the league. You know, a friend I have in the 0:17:25.760 --> 0:17:28.119 NFL was like, well, talking to me about the Earl thing, 0:17:28.119 --> 0:17:31.399 and I was like, honestly, San Francisco's got more cap space. 0:17:32.240 --> 0:17:34.680 Sherman is there, it's like his best friend, and he'd 0:17:34.680 --> 0:17:36.400 have a chance to stick it to the Seahawks twice 0:17:36.440 --> 0:17:39.400 a year, and if push comes to shove, san Francisco 0:17:39.440 --> 0:17:41.639 can afford to offer him more money. Likely, if I 0:17:41.680 --> 0:17:43.600 had to guess, maybe another year or two. So that's 0:17:43.680 --> 0:17:47.200 I mean, if if there isn't him, which I have 0:17:47.240 --> 0:17:49.320 no idea what the Cowboys are gonna do, but like 0:17:49.440 --> 0:17:52.639 that's the team I'm Stephen Jones talked about that. Stephen 0:17:52.720 --> 0:17:55.240 Jones talked about off the top of his head. Safety 0:17:55.359 --> 0:17:58.320 was one of the needs he brought up. Absolutely, and honestly, 0:17:58.800 --> 0:18:01.240 I'm not just saying this because it's what it's the 0:18:01.240 --> 0:18:04.720 Cowboys problem. Like safety and and a bona fide pass 0:18:04.800 --> 0:18:06.680 rusher aren't though, I mean, those are two of the 0:18:06.800 --> 0:18:11.639 hardest positions in the league to find instant production at 0:18:11.720 --> 0:18:15.479 no doubt. Let me ask you that question again on camera. 0:18:16.320 --> 0:18:19.280 One question, the question about trading the first a first 0:18:19.640 --> 0:18:22.800 round pick next year's one and this year's fifty eight? 0:18:23.400 --> 0:18:25.560 Would you do it for a tight end? Would you 0:18:25.600 --> 0:18:27.959 do it for and again we talk about, you know, 0:18:28.000 --> 0:18:30.879 Hawkinson probably not going to get him, but would you 0:18:30.960 --> 0:18:35.399 do it for one for Fant or for Smith or 0:18:35.480 --> 0:18:38.080 one of those somebody else in this draft? No? And 0:18:38.119 --> 0:18:40.520 because the tight end position is one of the deeper 0:18:40.560 --> 0:18:42.760 positions in this draft, Okay, so you don't you just like, 0:18:43.440 --> 0:18:45.560 if i Even'm getting Hawkinson, I'll do it because I 0:18:45.600 --> 0:18:48.119 think I'm getting a special player. I totally agree with 0:18:48.119 --> 0:18:50.120 you on that. I like Fan a lot. Okay, I'm 0:18:50.160 --> 0:18:52.720 just not quite sure he's a special player, and that's okay. 0:18:52.800 --> 0:18:54.160 You can you know he's gonna be a good player 0:18:54.160 --> 0:18:56.240 in this league. But I feel good about some of 0:18:56.280 --> 0:18:58.200 these tight ends I can get later on, whether that's 0:18:58.200 --> 0:19:02.960 a Jay Sternberger or Isaac Nada from Georgia. One of 0:19:02.960 --> 0:19:05.399 these tight ends I feel good about getting later, especially 0:19:05.400 --> 0:19:07.439 with the way I know this team will use the 0:19:07.480 --> 0:19:10.280 tight end. So I'm not going to do that. Now 0:19:10.359 --> 0:19:13.200 we're talking pass rusher. It's a little different, and I'm 0:19:13.200 --> 0:19:15.080 not trading up for a position. I'm trading up for 0:19:15.080 --> 0:19:17.080 a playlayer. You're going to get a player right exactly, 0:19:17.160 --> 0:19:19.959 you know, And there's a big distinction there. You're not 0:19:20.000 --> 0:19:22.160 just trading up to go get a specific position. You're 0:19:22.160 --> 0:19:24.159 going to get a playmaker or someone that you feel 0:19:24.680 --> 0:19:26.520 you're gonna have to You're gonna have a hole in 0:19:26.560 --> 0:19:28.639 your stomach the next year, not knowing you don't have 0:19:28.680 --> 0:19:31.119 a first round pick. This player better be worth it 0:19:31.119 --> 0:19:32.800 if you're gonna do that. Well, see, the Cowboys just 0:19:32.840 --> 0:19:35.480 went through that. The player that they have a whole 0:19:35.560 --> 0:19:40.680