Speaker 1: This is the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Show. Cowboys
Speaker 1: on there war room for in center news and draft analysis,
Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys select Ezekiel Elliott and now your hosts Dane Brusler,
Speaker 1: David Hellman, and Brian brought us well. As promised, we
Speaker 1: are here in Indianapolis, Indiana, for the two thousand and
Speaker 1: nineteen version of the NFL Scouting Combine. As the big
Speaker 1: voice guy says, I'm Brian brought us along with Dame Krugler,
Speaker 1: David Hellman, Kent Garrison, executive producing here from the Convention
Speaker 1: Center downtown Indianapolis. Uh, guys, excited to be here. Good
Speaker 1: to be here with you, Brian. Yeah. My twenty seventh
Speaker 1: combine nice was six for me, six combines for you,
Speaker 1: nine nine for the great Dane Brugler. So yeah, so yeah,
Speaker 1: that's uh, that's part of it though. That's that's the Grady.
Speaker 1: That's the beauty of this is that we get to
Speaker 1: come here and be a part of this. Enjoyed so much.
Speaker 1: It's so much part of what we do with the
Speaker 1: Draft show. You know, we handled the early stuff with
Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl, did that all week, and then now
Speaker 1: we've got the combine to come to this is where Dane,
Speaker 1: that we get to see the medical, the interview, right,
Speaker 1: and then the actual workouts. We talked about that before
Speaker 1: we came here. Nothing has really changed as far as
Speaker 1: that goes, as far as you're concerned, right, And the
Speaker 1: reason we have the combines the medicals, and you know,
Speaker 1: unfortunately the top two reasons, the medicals and the interviews.
Speaker 1: We really don't have access to that in terms of
Speaker 1: the player interviews with the teams and all that. But
Speaker 1: we will have access to the players here during a
Speaker 1: media session starting tomorrow. Offensive linemen and running lines exactly so,
Speaker 1: and then on Friday, but what quarterbacks, wide, receivers, tight end,
Speaker 1: So it will have a good mix of player interviews
Speaker 1: coming the next few days, and then on Friday we
Speaker 1: get to see the unfield actions. Start with the offensive linemen.
Speaker 1: The running backs go through drills, not just the forty
Speaker 1: yard dash, the agility drills, but the positional drills, and
Speaker 1: that you can tell a lot with especially these offensive linemen.
Speaker 1: You know, how do they pop up, by their stance,
Speaker 1: their shuffle, and when you see these guys one after
Speaker 1: the other after the other, it really puts in perspective
Speaker 1: just how well they move or how well they don't move,
Speaker 1: and so that really helps evaluation purposes. And as we
Speaker 1: started the combine, Steven Jones Jerry Jones will be on
Speaker 1: Saturday to end the combine. But we got a chance
Speaker 1: to talk to Steven Jones yesterday. He kind of filled
Speaker 1: us in on Dallas Cowboys dot Com, you Rob Phillips
Speaker 1: writing about that the direction that they might be looking
Speaker 1: at how they're going to evaluate these prospects in this
Speaker 1: upcoming combine. Yeah, we're really lucky because Stephen is obviously
Speaker 1: he's part of the NFL Competition Committee. They start their meetings,
Speaker 1: you know, days before the rest of us get here.
Speaker 1: So we're fortunate in the sense, you know, we don't
Speaker 1: have to wait like the rest of these guys do
Speaker 1: you know, GMS and just started talking today. We got
Speaker 1: Stephen a day early. It's right there for you on
Speaker 1: the website. He broke down the draft, he broke down
Speaker 1: free agency, talked about Jason Garrett's contract, I mean you
Speaker 1: name it. You know, got off to a running start
Speaker 1: like we always do because Steven's always here early. It's great, hey,
Speaker 1: it is. It does It makes your job a lot
Speaker 1: easier when you can get that kind of knocked that
Speaker 1: out of the way. There's a lot of talk about
Speaker 1: what's going on with DeMarcus Lawrence's contract. Yeah, they have
Speaker 1: to March fifth for a tag situation there. Yep, hopeful, optimistic,
Speaker 1: whatever you want to say about that that potentially that
Speaker 1: they can get a deal done. Kind of get the
Speaker 1: like you hear whispers that maybe they'll have a deal
Speaker 1: done by the fifth, Yeah, which I mean, we'll see,
Speaker 1: that's only six days away. I don't want to, Well,
Speaker 1: this is a good opportunity in Annapolis. You know, his
Speaker 1: representatives will be here, you know, Stephen, it was a
Speaker 1: surprising amount of transparency, said, you know, they've made an
Speaker 1: offer to Demarcus's camp. They're planning on meeting with him here,
Speaker 1: and I just I think it's a matter of time.
Speaker 1: Maybe they'll have to use the tag on him, like that.
Speaker 1: They're not gonna not sign to Marcus and they're not
Speaker 1: gonna not tag him if it comes to that, you know,
Speaker 1: like he will be under contract with the Cowboys one
Speaker 1: way or the other. Like I said, you know, Stephen
Speaker 1: doesn't know the timeline, so I definitely don't. But I
Speaker 1: just I feel beyond confident that a deal will get
Speaker 1: done with him between now and July. And as our
Speaker 1: ship was sailing very smoothly through waters here in Indianapolis
Speaker 1: yesterday afternoon, burying the lead a little bit. Yeah, then
Speaker 1: our mask of the sailboat broke and we were rudderless
Speaker 1: out there really without I wish our I went. You know,
Speaker 1: we're we're on webcam right now. I wish we had
Speaker 1: a webcam of all of us when we were trying
Speaker 1: to check into our hotel, literally checking into our hotel,
Speaker 1: you know, running the credit cards for incidentals and all that.
Speaker 1: And that's when the news breaks, Not when we're talking
Speaker 1: to Stephen, but while we're trying to check into our
Speaker 1: hotel that the news breaks that Randy Gregory's been suspended indefinitely. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Good times. Um yeah, kind of put a damper on
Speaker 1: the early going. It did, it did? It did put
Speaker 1: a little damper things were going along well. Dame Brugler,
Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboy fans, if they're looking for defensive tackles, defensive ends,
Speaker 1: this is something that Rod Marinelli talk to me about
Speaker 1: at the Star. You know, hey, I'm looking for guys.
Speaker 1: He kind of thinks third, fourth round, maybe that he
Speaker 1: could could grab one of those guys. Does the Randy
Speaker 1: Gregory situation make you what you know about this team?
Speaker 1: Does it make you think, Okay, got to grab a
Speaker 1: defensive end first, or defensive tackle, which will stretch a
Speaker 1: little bit better for you if you're if you're talking
Speaker 1: about that guy maybe in the third or fourth round.
Speaker 1: There the defensive line group we know is a strength
Speaker 1: of this draft, but I think in terms of stretching,
Speaker 1: it's the edge more so than on the interior. So fans,
Speaker 1: cowboy fans and fans, if you're of anybody, if you're
Speaker 1: a fan that's watching us from another team, if you
Speaker 1: are a team that needs a defensive end, you have
Speaker 1: to feel pretty good about rounds one through say four,
Speaker 1: at least, right And that's fair. But at the same time,
Speaker 1: it's also one of the more important positions on your roster,
Speaker 1: even more so than on the interior. So I'm not
Speaker 1: going to bypass a really good pass rusher in the
Speaker 1: second round just because I feel good about my third
Speaker 1: round options. At the second round, I want a player.
Speaker 1: I want a playmaker, and if that's off the edge,
Speaker 1: especially someone I could take pressure off to Marcus Lawrence,
Speaker 1: I'm pulling the trigger. I'm going to get him, even
Speaker 1: if there is a talented interior guy. I'm glad. I'm
Speaker 1: glad you're not being a sunshine pumper right now, Dane. No,
Speaker 1: that's what this show's not about that. I know. It's
Speaker 1: about being honest. Which yeah, and I wasn't trying to
Speaker 1: accuse anybody, No, I know you weren't. I just yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it's I think that's important because I think about that. Okay,
Speaker 1: So Randy Gregory suspended, and definitely theoretically it's possible he
Speaker 1: is reinstated in time for the season. It's certainly not
Speaker 1: something I would dream of counting on. That's a terrible
Speaker 1: idea that leaves you with Taco Charlton, which okay, well
Speaker 1: we'll get to that. We can get to Taco. But
Speaker 1: you know, no, I want to ask you about that
Speaker 1: because Jason Garret. I asked the question of Jason Garrett today. Yeah,
Speaker 1: about Taco, you know, and what the expectations are Taco.
Speaker 1: He's a first round pick who has yet to play
Speaker 1: like it, who's entering the third year of his deal.
Speaker 1: And I think it was Bill Parcells who said, like,
Speaker 1: that's the year, right, you gotta do it if if
Speaker 1: you're ever gonna do it, you got to do it
Speaker 1: in the third year. I think it says a lot
Speaker 1: about what he's done so far in his career that
Speaker 1: people are panicking about defensive end without Randy Gregory. I mean,
Speaker 1: if you've got a first round pick entering his third
Speaker 1: year at the position, typically you'd like to think you're good,
Speaker 1: which the fact that people think they're not is bad.
Speaker 1: Well right now, if you as you look at it,
Speaker 1: you would say, well, it's it's Crawford and Tacco at
Speaker 1: the right defensive end, and then you look at Tank
Speaker 1: not and I would think I would think Tank and
Speaker 1: Taco on the left and Crawford and Dorian's Armstrong on
Speaker 1: the right. Either either way, but you got those four.
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying though, So my main we can
Speaker 1: get to it. He's telling me, I got defensive ends
Speaker 1: in this draft, So I mean, you should feel good
Speaker 1: about that. That's the route you're gonna go. You're making
Speaker 1: my point for me, though, because how much did you
Speaker 1: like Dorn's Armstrong. I think we had Dorn's Armstrong like
Speaker 1: in the fourth round me personally, and you liked him
Speaker 1: as a player. I liked him as a player. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he had a good training Yeah, absolutely, what did he
Speaker 1: do for you? See, that's the thing about it, he
Speaker 1: wasn't I mean, it's a and I'm better that he
Speaker 1: was better than was he initially better than Taco? Yeah? No,
Speaker 1: and he wasn't bad. And that's my point. I'm not
Speaker 1: trying to I'm not fourteen games I believe he played.
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to crap on Dorn's armstrong. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: a hard position to get production from unless you are
Speaker 1: Bradley Chubb or Miles Garrett, like the guys that can
Speaker 1: make an impact as rookies are going at the top
Speaker 1: of the draft and not one six overall. And I
Speaker 1: think that that is the problem for the Dallas Cowboys
Speaker 1: is you're losing a guy who had six sacks, and
Speaker 1: you know, unless you're drafting this guy at fifty eight
Speaker 1: and even maybe then, you're probably not getting a guy
Speaker 1: in the draft who's going to make a significant impact year. Okay,
Speaker 1: take Bosa, Alan Sweat Ferrell, polite o, this burns, take
Speaker 1: him out of this, take him out of the possibility. Okay,
Speaker 1: pick me a guy though that I can hang my
Speaker 1: hat and maybe I have to hang my hat on
Speaker 1: a guy at fifty eight is call your the kid
Speaker 1: from TC, call your Yeah. I think he makes some sense. Um,
Speaker 1: he's he has a big week this week just interviews. Um.
Speaker 1: You know he late bloomer. Um, you know, really wasn't
Speaker 1: a full time starter till this year, had six sacks. Um.
Speaker 1: I think in ten starts. Uh. So he just has
Speaker 1: a big week in terms of proving during the interview
Speaker 1: process on the field that he is capable of, you know,
Speaker 1: being the guy. I really like his potential. I gave
Speaker 1: him a late second grade is that would fall in
Speaker 1: line with you know where the cowboys are picking. But
Speaker 1: I think there will be options. You know. Jalen Ferguson
Speaker 1: from Louisiana Tech, okay with you. I'm with you on this.
Speaker 1: He's he's a speed to power rusher. You know that
Speaker 1: that's his specialty. Uses that length at forward lean where
Speaker 1: you can beat up on guys. All he did was
Speaker 1: set the FBS all time record in sacks. So not
Speaker 1: bad in terms of production. Uh, there's a lot to
Speaker 1: like with with Ferguson. I've seen him in first rounds.
Speaker 1: I don't that doesn't makes sense to me. But in
Speaker 1: a second round. That's where I think Ferguson would make
Speaker 1: sense if he's there at fifty eight. Sign me up,
Speaker 1: DeAndre Walker from Georgia. I was gonna ask you about
Speaker 1: Walker from Georgia. Do you think he's a hand on
Speaker 1: the ground and do you think he's better standing up?
Speaker 1: And you know for a three four is he gonna
Speaker 1: be a T. J. Watt for this team? Yeah? Where
Speaker 1: you know, six two two forty six kind of right
Speaker 1: now is what we're thinking. And O'Shane is as a
Speaker 1: menez Winovich. I think these guys also fall now. Winovich
Speaker 1: is from Michigan, and I wasn't as I like him,
Speaker 1: but I wasn't in love with him. Okay, I really
Speaker 1: really was. Now Nimis, I had him initially really high.
Speaker 1: I thought a second round grade on him, yeah, and
Speaker 1: then I started kind of going through my stack of guys.
Speaker 1: Nimis is from Old Dominion, by the way, just if
Speaker 1: you're falling along at home, and I was kind of
Speaker 1: thinking second round guy. And then also it's like, wait
Speaker 1: a minute, I got Walker, you know, I've got I've
Speaker 1: got some guys that I feel like it are a
Speaker 1: little bit better. I understand what you're saying about Walker.
Speaker 1: But with those guys that are do they fit this team?
Speaker 1: Is what I'm saying. Because Zamenez was two hundred forty pounds. Yeah,
Speaker 1: at the Senior Bowl. I feel like I think y'all
Speaker 1: are kind of inadvertently making my point, which is that
Speaker 1: we talked about this off the year. There's always exceptions.
Speaker 1: Carl Lawson was a guy that you love, fell to
Speaker 1: the fourth round a couple years ago to Cincinnati, who's
Speaker 1: great right away. Yeah, but there are positions in the
Speaker 1: NFL where you can plug a mid round rookie right
Speaker 1: in and expect success. Edge Rusher's not usually one of them. No,
Speaker 1: Like once, once you're outside the top forty, it's not normal.
Speaker 1: And so you know Dorn's armstrong. You know, he had
Speaker 1: a good rookie season for a fourth round defensive end.
Speaker 1: He played in most of the games, had a half
Speaker 1: sack and a couple you're saying, you're saying, no panic.
Speaker 1: I'm kind of saying panic honestly, not panic. I don't
Speaker 1: like the word panic. I feel I feel both ways simultaneously.
Speaker 1: In terms of the draft. This doesn't change anything for me.
Speaker 1: Like you're supposed to turn over every stone you're supposed
Speaker 1: to take the best player available. Randy Gregory. You know,
Speaker 1: the Cowboys been saying for ever that these are problems
Speaker 1: that he knew, they knew, they knew. Jerry Jones and
Speaker 1: Stephen Jones were saying the day he was reinstated that
Speaker 1: these are battles he'll be fighting for the rest of
Speaker 1: his career. So in that regard, like you shouldn't be shocked,
Speaker 1: It shouldn't change anything because you should be looking at
Speaker 1: defensive ends anyway. I guess the main point I'm trying
Speaker 1: to make and it gets away from the draft, so
Speaker 1: I apologize for that. But you know what have we
Speaker 1: been talking about this whole week since Stephen Jones started talking.
Speaker 1: It's like, how do the Cowboys take the next step? Right?
Speaker 1: That's been a big yeah. If the Cowboys want to
Speaker 1: take the next step with this team as it is
Speaker 1: right now, if Randy Gregory's not part of it, they
Speaker 1: probably have to invest in Pass Rusher in free agency, honestly,
Speaker 1: and it doesn't have to be Ziggyanza, but they need
Speaker 1: another guy who can come in here and get them pressure.
Speaker 1: I think let me let me throw a loop into this.
Speaker 1: Let's say there is a Manta Sweat or to Chipolite
Speaker 1: or some of these guys who all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: he's available twenty six, twenty seven. You call your buddies
Speaker 1: over at the Raiders and say they're sitting right next
Speaker 1: to us. Yeah, right here, But pick what are that?
Speaker 1: Twenty four, twenty four and twenty seven seven? Someone at
Speaker 1: twenty four? Okay, given up? See that's what that's that's
Speaker 1: the thing about it. Did you take a number one
Speaker 1: next year? Yea, Yeah, it's gonna take you one. It
Speaker 1: might take the fifty eight to get there too. It's
Speaker 1: good take it's gonna take both. So you have you're
Speaker 1: gonna have to. You're gonna twenty four and pick ninety one.
Speaker 1: Those are your image picks. That's the first round or
Speaker 1: next year. That's just okay. But let me ask you this.
Speaker 1: Let me ask you this. What if one of those
Speaker 1: tight ends was sitting there at twenty four. Now it
Speaker 1: probably not probably not Hawkinson, probably not Hawkerson. But what
Speaker 1: if one of those other is the is it Sweat
Speaker 1: or one of these other defensive ends that we're talking about. Yeah,
Speaker 1: a better option than you try to just paint a
Speaker 1: picture that well, you want to go get a free agent.
Speaker 1: Well this and this, it kind of goes back to
Speaker 1: my point is I don't want to be in a
Speaker 1: position where I have to mortgage next year's Draft four
Speaker 1: or something that I need. And that's the Cowboys always
Speaker 1: say that they don't want to do that. They want,
Speaker 1: you know, paper over their cracks so that they can
Speaker 1: do what's right instead of what they need. And that's why.
Speaker 1: So again I'm not saying to go break the bank
Speaker 1: for Ziggy Onza, but even you know, even if it's
Speaker 1: a journeyman, they I think, you go get a guy
Speaker 1: who can be counted on to play. I actually, you know,
Speaker 1: before the show, I looked this up. I don't know
Speaker 1: if all these names are are realistic, but Alex okafor
Speaker 1: is a guy who had four sacks for the Saints
Speaker 1: last year. He hit a sack mark that Benny Curry
Speaker 1: didn't have a great year for Tampa Bay, but you've
Speaker 1: seen him do it for years. He's on the wrong
Speaker 1: side of thirty. But again, beggars can't be choosers. Dante
Speaker 1: Fowler played a bit role for the Rams. Yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: fascinated to see what his market would be because he's
Speaker 1: got top ten talent. But has never produced like a
Speaker 1: top ten player. And then Brandon Graham again, and this
Speaker 1: is it's a premium position, so these these prices will
Speaker 1: probably be inflated, Like you're not going to be thrilled
Speaker 1: with what you'd have to pay, but in light of
Speaker 1: losing your number two pass rusher, you might not have
Speaker 1: a choice. Okay, as we look at this draft, then
Speaker 1: from the Cowboys angle, veteran safety, veteran end, veteran tight end,
Speaker 1: veteran wide receiver. M okay, it sounds like on top
Speaker 1: of the deals you got to do with your occurrent Okay,
Speaker 1: but if you could take one and now you take
Speaker 1: one and then you tell me, okay, in the draft,
Speaker 1: don't worry about this. Don't worry about this, don't worry
Speaker 1: about this. Right, take me the position that you don't
Speaker 1: feel the best about in the draft of the ones
Speaker 1: I just named, I think I have an idea what
Speaker 1: I would take. Set the positions again, pass tight end, safety, receiver,
Speaker 1: slot receiver. Okay, yeah, for me, it's easy safety. In
Speaker 1: terms of what I feel good about in the draft.
Speaker 1: You're saying you feel the least good about getting that
Speaker 1: position in the draft. Safety, I would agree with that
Speaker 1: he's totally You guys are totally right and not to mention.
Speaker 1: Let's just totally right. Yeah, let's call a spade a spade. Yeah, guy,
Speaker 1: you can get in free agency at safety is far
Speaker 1: better than the options that are available to you at
Speaker 1: the other position. See, I would be terrified right now
Speaker 1: if I had to draft a safety. I think that
Speaker 1: maybe terrified it's a bad word, mister, mister I'd rather
Speaker 1: draft is terrified of draft? No, No, I'm I would.
Speaker 1: I would be I would be nervous about drafting a
Speaker 1: potential safety. What about Jonathan Abram Mississippi State, you know,
Speaker 1: very steady guy. What about Mike Bella, that's a These
Speaker 1: are all names I wrote about these guys today. Yeah,
Speaker 1: these are all names you're gonna hear. You're gonna hear.
Speaker 1: You're gonna hear about Abram and Gardiner Johnson from Florida.
Speaker 1: You know you're gonna hear about Thorne Ill from Virginia.
Speaker 1: But are they better than what we're talking about at
Speaker 1: defensive end? Are they better than what we're talking about
Speaker 1: at tight end? Are they better than you know? That's
Speaker 1: what I'm trying to I'm playing Devil's advo completely. Did
Speaker 1: you hear you see what Richard Sherman said about Arl Thomas? No,
Speaker 1: he said, this is a quote from today from the
Speaker 1: Athletic um. If Aallas is a player in it, I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna lie. He's going to go with Dallas. That's
Speaker 1: his home. If the money is equal, if all things
Speaker 1: are equal, he's going to Dallas. So okay, that' sherm
Speaker 1: for the way. And Richard Sherman's actively recruiting, well, Earl
Speaker 1: Thomas to be in San Francisco. But he's being honest
Speaker 1: that it's funny he's going to Dallas. Well, it's funny
Speaker 1: that that. I had no idea. Sherman said that. But
Speaker 1: I you know, I was talking to a friend in
Speaker 1: the league. You know, a friend I have in the
Speaker 1: NFL was like, well, talking to me about the Earl thing,
Speaker 1: and I was like, honestly, San Francisco's got more cap space.
Speaker 1: Sherman is there, it's like his best friend, and he'd
Speaker 1: have a chance to stick it to the Seahawks twice
Speaker 1: a year, and if push comes to shove, san Francisco
Speaker 1: can afford to offer him more money. Likely, if I
Speaker 1: had to guess, maybe another year or two. So that's
Speaker 1: I mean, if if there isn't him, which I have
Speaker 1: no idea what the Cowboys are gonna do, but like
Speaker 1: that's the team I'm Stephen Jones talked about that. Stephen
Speaker 1: Jones talked about off the top of his head. Safety
Speaker 1: was one of the needs he brought up. Absolutely, and honestly,
Speaker 1: I'm not just saying this because it's what it's the
Speaker 1: Cowboys problem. Like safety and and a bona fide pass
Speaker 1: rusher aren't though, I mean, those are two of the
Speaker 1: hardest positions in the league to find instant production at
Speaker 1: no doubt. Let me ask you that question again on camera.
Speaker 1: One question, the question about trading the first a first
Speaker 1: round pick next year's one and this year's fifty eight?
Speaker 1: Would you do it for a tight end? Would you
Speaker 1: do it for and again we talk about, you know,
Speaker 1: Hawkinson probably not going to get him, but would you
Speaker 1: do it for one for Fant or for Smith or
Speaker 1: one of those somebody else in this draft? No? And
Speaker 1: because the tight end position is one of the deeper
Speaker 1: positions in this draft, Okay, so you don't you just like,
Speaker 1: if i Even'm getting Hawkinson, I'll do it because I
Speaker 1: think I'm getting a special player. I totally agree with
Speaker 1: you on that. I like Fan a lot. Okay, I'm
Speaker 1: just not quite sure he's a special player, and that's okay.
Speaker 1: You can you know he's gonna be a good player
Speaker 1: in this league. But I feel good about some of
Speaker 1: these tight ends I can get later on, whether that's
Speaker 1: a Jay Sternberger or Isaac Nada from Georgia. One of
Speaker 1: these tight ends I feel good about getting later, especially
Speaker 1: with the way I know this team will use the
Speaker 1: tight end. So I'm not going to do that. Now
Speaker 1: we're talking pass rusher. It's a little different, and I'm
Speaker 1: not trading up for a position. I'm trading up for
Speaker 1: a playlayer. You're going to get a player right exactly,
Speaker 1: you know, And there's a big distinction there. You're not
Speaker 1: just trading up to go get a specific position. You're
Speaker 1: going to get a playmaker or someone that you feel
Speaker 1: you're gonna have to You're gonna have a hole in
Speaker 1: your stomach the next year, not knowing you don't have
Speaker 1: a first round pick. This player better be worth it
Speaker 1: if you're gonna do that. Well, see, the Cowboys just
Speaker 1: went through that. The player that they have a whole
Speaker 1: new stomach about is now really a Pro Bowl player. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's doable. So you mean, as long as you're trading
Speaker 1: that asset for a Pro Bowl player, you know you
Speaker 1: have to feel like yahot's rolling. But I mean history
Speaker 1: hasn't always been great with the Cowboys about this. Part
Speaker 1: of the thing that made Amari Cooper a palatable trade
Speaker 1: is that you already knew he had Pro Bowl talent. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, you're doing this for a rookie. I mean,
Speaker 1: all bets are off. Obviously, the Cowboys deserve credit for
Speaker 1: their track record in the first round over the last
Speaker 1: ten years. But you never know, is there a position
Speaker 1: that somebody will trade up for anybody? Anybody? QB baby,
Speaker 1: I would say, yeah, there's always movement with the quarterbacks.
Speaker 1: Rarely do we see um. You know the stat the
Speaker 1: last three years there have been eleven first round quarterbacks
Speaker 1: and these offensive tackles, ten of them were traded up
Speaker 1: for um. Yeah, you know is does somebody? Does somebody
Speaker 1: like the Florida kid Taylor better than Williams? And I'll
Speaker 1: tell you why bring that up? Why do you bring
Speaker 1: that up? I'm curious because I asked scouts. I bump in,
Speaker 1: you know, that's a great thing. Yeah, I read your story.
Speaker 1: You're mad because they all told you your guy's not
Speaker 1: the best guy. Well, I'm talking about what's about Williams,
Speaker 1: the the Alabama tackle. I'm like, let me ask you
Speaker 1: about Williams, a tackle from Alabama. And to a man,
Speaker 1: it was Taylor's a better player. Jan from Florida's a
Speaker 1: better player. It won't be working out this week, unfortunately.
Speaker 1: But to a man, they were saying. And this is
Speaker 1: where I always find it funny that you know, you
Speaker 1: do a lot of work. I do a lot of
Speaker 1: work watching this tape. This is where the media scouts
Speaker 1: when they come to the combine now start talking to
Speaker 1: the real scouts. But I don't see I don't think
Speaker 1: it's it's not a consensus, okay, Like that's I think
Speaker 1: there's gonna be a lot of split opinion. Like when
Speaker 1: I did my tackle rank. Okay, could be a trade
Speaker 1: up then for one of those guys. If you feel
Speaker 1: that Taylor's better than Williams. Yeah, because I think we're
Speaker 1: gonna you throw Andre Dillard in that minute. You know,
Speaker 1: I think Cody Ford. I did an interesting quote from
Speaker 1: a scout on Ford told me that he is a
Speaker 1: B plus tackle in the league, or can be an
Speaker 1: a minus guard. So where do you want them? Um?
Speaker 1: And so Cordy Ford will be looked at a little differently,
Speaker 1: But say what, they got a good guard there too.
Speaker 1: Pronounce his name wrong, Sina Oklahoma, Yeah, Drew Samia, Samia, Yeah, Samia.
Speaker 1: Pronounce his name for me, Dane, I don't know it well, No,
Speaker 1: I always pronounce it wrong. Samia, Drew Semiah, Yeah, yes,
Speaker 1: he's he's legit. He's a top five guard in this draft.
Speaker 1: Damn righty is yeah? I mean, all right, maybe I'm
Speaker 1: maybe I'm just completely drawn a blank. But this will
Speaker 1: be the seventh draft I've covered. I can't think of
Speaker 1: very many instances of people going up for tackles. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but if you want the right one, we usually don't have.
Speaker 1: This is a tackle rich first round. See, don't have that.
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying you if you if you're going
Speaker 1: to go get some if you don't trust these quarterbacks.
Speaker 1: But it's also the reason why we might not see
Speaker 1: a lot of movement because okay, I mean, if I don't,
Speaker 1: I don't get you one. Taylor. Okay, you know what,
Speaker 1: I'll be okay with? Oh that happened to the Giants.
Speaker 1: They settled on that Brandon Flower, that Eric Eric Flowers. Okay,
Speaker 1: no one, I'm just saying Eric Flowers should not have
Speaker 1: been he was nice. Yeah, that should not have happened.
Speaker 1: That's that's a mis evaluation. They settled. Well, No, what
Speaker 1: they did is they jumped a tier that there's a
Speaker 1: top tier guys. Then they jumped a tier and took
Speaker 1: a guy that should not have been taken that early.
Speaker 1: This see with this group, I think it's it's a
Speaker 1: little more palatable to take a Cody forward. If Jwan
Speaker 1: Taylor's gone to be, you have to settle for Jonah Williams. Okay,
Speaker 1: oh no, I'll be okay, yeah, so you know, but
Speaker 1: you're right. I mean, guys fall these teams, They fall
Speaker 1: in love with players. If Juwan Taylor really is uh
Speaker 1: clearly the top tackle for some of these teams, sure,
Speaker 1: I think that's definitely a possibility. Again, we're talking about
Speaker 1: premium positions here, because you're not you're not going to
Speaker 1: trade up for a back. You're not trading up for
Speaker 1: You're not trading up for a wide receiver, are you not?
Speaker 1: Maybe I'll take what with Marky's Brown going down? How
Speaker 1: many wide receivers going in the first round. Maybe DK Metcalf.
Speaker 1: We talked about that this morning. I think, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: Well also, I mean your initial you're a gut feeling
Speaker 1: about wide receiver. Did you have a first round wide receiver? No? No,
Speaker 1: And I mean DK Metcalf I have as a late one.
Speaker 1: So I don't feel great about that. But when DK
Speaker 1: Mettcalf is six four, two thirty and runs a four four,
Speaker 1: teams are gonna be excited about. That's gonna run the
Speaker 1: shuttling exactly. That's and that's what that's where you know,
Speaker 1: I have visions of David Boston dancing in my head
Speaker 1: right now, but there will be some Scots who have
Speaker 1: visions that Josh Gordon out there just on the field
Speaker 1: in terms of ability. Don't shot me like that, just
Speaker 1: on a good way? Yeah, I know, yeah, I don't
Speaker 1: don't fret. Brian's like, oh my god, a problem child. Yes,
Speaker 1: bring him on more and more and more. Preston Williams,
Speaker 1: yes please. You know, hey, you guys are gonna be
Speaker 1: wrong about Preston Williams. By the way, okay, we'll see
Speaker 1: not wrong that he had passed issues. And I'm not
Speaker 1: saying he's gonna have future issues. I'm just I just
Speaker 1: know what he had in the past. You're probably gonna
Speaker 1: be more right than I am. I hate when you're
Speaker 1: like when hate when you're right. All right, we're gonna
Speaker 1: take our first break, and how about our only break.
Speaker 1: We're gonna carry this thing. And this thing went all
Speaker 1: right thirty minutes. We were loose a little bit later. Sorry,
Speaker 1: so maybe we'll stay out. Now. We're gonna run over.
Speaker 1: We're gonna run over a little bit. We're gonna get
Speaker 1: into your questions. I appreciate all the conversation to start
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Speaker 1: shows for you every day now. Of course Today, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday,
Speaker 1: and Saturday. We'll have the sing covered wall to wall,
Speaker 1: like Damee Burglar was talking about earlier. We'll have the
Speaker 1: players roll through tomorrow'll be the offensive line and the
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Speaker 1: those kids a little bit, learn a little bit more.
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Speaker 1: in there doing that. That'll be great things to do.
Speaker 1: I also want to thank everybody that's on periscope right now.
Speaker 1: We always do appreciate a periscope crowd. Joseph, who's on periscope,
Speaker 1: had a really interesting comment. He wants us to talk
Speaker 1: a little bit about Anthony Nelson, the Iowa Iowa the
Speaker 1: Iowa defensive end, Dane. I'll try to throw it over
Speaker 1: to you if you want to talk about that. I
Speaker 1: think he's your prototypical bass end as a pass rusher,
Speaker 1: it's a lot of straight line. I don't know if
Speaker 1: he has a great bend. I was kind of disappointed
Speaker 1: his contact balance. Sure, but I'll tell you what his length.
Speaker 1: He knows how to beat beat up blockers with that length,
Speaker 1: those heavy hands. So where's where's a value for a
Speaker 1: player like that? Who? I don't think he's gonna give
Speaker 1: you a lot as a pass rusher, but he's a
Speaker 1: quality rundefender. I mean, a high effort guy. You know
Speaker 1: what you're getting with him. I think his football intelligence
Speaker 1: has grown steadily over when he was at Iowa, and
Speaker 1: I think it will continue to grow in the NFL. So, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, is he uh will he be there at
Speaker 1: fifty eight? I think he's going to be in that
Speaker 1: conversation to possibly be there. And if he is, does
Speaker 1: that fit what you want? Because I think you can
Speaker 1: move him inside on some passing downs, uh, you know,
Speaker 1: get another pass rusher on the field. So I think
Speaker 1: he definitely would be in the mix for what they're
Speaker 1: looking for. Here, I'm having which I having fas Tyrone
Speaker 1: Crawford here, I'm actually well, I actually watched him just
Speaker 1: how I know, I know you did, so I brought
Speaker 1: him up I'm having flashbacks of what we talked about
Speaker 1: with Taco, honestly, and I don't I don't think that
Speaker 1: they're that similar when you watch him on tape. But
Speaker 1: just like that scouting report of like, well, he's never
Speaker 1: gonna be this elite pass rusher, but you know, maybe
Speaker 1: he can you know, do this and do that and
Speaker 1: just be a solid baseline guy, which that's maybe not
Speaker 1: what you want at twenty eight, it sounds palatable at
Speaker 1: fifty eight that's I mean, he's a gigantic, powerful dude.
Speaker 1: I think he I think he could be serviceable. I
Speaker 1: don't see a ton of like pass for rush yet,
Speaker 1: like he doesn't bend right. Yeah, I mean it's like
Speaker 1: what you're getting from Tyrone Crows. They don't get outside
Speaker 1: of him that Tyrone Crawford remains underappreciated because absolutely as
Speaker 1: of his contract number that people won't forgive him for
Speaker 1: even though they would have signed it to. Absolutely, So
Speaker 1: I mean at fifty eight, I'm I'm fine with it.
Speaker 1: And again, going back to the conversation from the first segment,
Speaker 1: is like, when you're at fifty eight, exactly what are
Speaker 1: you what are you getting? You're not give up something
Speaker 1: you're not getting von Miller. Okay, let me ask you this,
Speaker 1: like a guy like him or you would you compare
Speaker 1: him or they like and maybe it's a bad comparison.
Speaker 1: Jalen Jolkes from Oregon, same type. I did like jokes, Okay,
Speaker 1: I did give me some give me some con then
Speaker 1: on him. If that's what you think. Well, the first
Speaker 1: play I ever watched of him was Caleb McGarry just
Speaker 1: driving his butt into the ground Washington, right, Yeah, just
Speaker 1: the first play of that game. Yeah, Um, McGarry got
Speaker 1: on him, two hands latch control Barry. Um. And it's
Speaker 1: just hard to get division out of my head. But yeah,
Speaker 1: with jokes, he's I don't know. He looks like a
Speaker 1: skinny small forward who has potential as a pass rusher,
Speaker 1: but he needs to get stronger. Yeah, and I just
Speaker 1: don't know if he necessarily will at the next level. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I picked up some late games I didn't have. Washington
Speaker 1: was not in my repertoire here Bowling Green, Portland State, UCLA, Stanford,
Speaker 1: and Michigan State World. And so I saw a guy
Speaker 1: that did show the ability to kind of you know,
Speaker 1: when you talk about playing with your hands, you know
Speaker 1: you're right. I you know, again the lineman from Washington's
Speaker 1: you know, good blocker, and I mean he hooks up
Speaker 1: on you, that's gonna be tough. But I did I
Speaker 1: did see in these games though, he puts himself in
Speaker 1: position to make some plays. And I thought he showed
Speaker 1: the ability kind of retrace his steps to get up
Speaker 1: the field, come back, get in, I'll play. I thought
Speaker 1: he chased the ball well from the backside. I thought
Speaker 1: he was really kind of a reactive guy. And I
Speaker 1: thought he played with some intelligence, you know, when things
Speaker 1: were kind of happening in front of him, the screens
Speaker 1: and things, he was kind of able to kind of
Speaker 1: sniff those things out and then get to the edge
Speaker 1: and then make that happen, you know, get on the outside.
Speaker 1: I said, despite the lack of his weight, he looks
Speaker 1: comfortable playing in the guard. You know you were talking
Speaker 1: about moving guys down inside and letting them play a
Speaker 1: little three technique or rush. Yeah, I saw a guy
Speaker 1: that was able to do that and split double teams
Speaker 1: and stay active and not quit on play. So maybe
Speaker 1: again this is where this is where you look at
Speaker 1: scouts and you know, my you know, my question, what's
Speaker 1: up fifty eight. I gotta get him at fifty eighth. No,
Speaker 1: this to me is this is more, but this is more.
Speaker 1: But I was thinking more of the third round guy,
Speaker 1: third or fourth round guy. I think this is the
Speaker 1: third round player. But I was just saying, if they
Speaker 1: if if you were talking about guys that are six
Speaker 1: to five, what was his weight at the Senior Bowl?
Speaker 1: He was six five and a half, six to fifty.
Speaker 1: Dane's just Danes just got the Senior Bowl measurements just
Speaker 1: right there. And my notes from the way ends unimpressive
Speaker 1: body type, Okay, but there you go. See so that
Speaker 1: I don't know, I mean, I just kind of saw
Speaker 1: a bit different guy. But the Iowa kids a good player.
Speaker 1: I mean that's he is a really really good player.
Speaker 1: Are ye? Are both very thorough? Do you like you
Speaker 1: have to fight against what you're talking about, like you know,
Speaker 1: the first player or maybe the first few players you see,
Speaker 1: you're just like, well, and especially because I know, just
Speaker 1: from my perspective, I watch a lot of college football,
Speaker 1: you know, It's all I do on Saturdays and Sundays.
Speaker 1: Wake up Sunday morning and I watch what I dv
Speaker 1: RT the day before, so I have an initial impression
Speaker 1: of these guys, and then sometimes when you watch the tape,
Speaker 1: it's almost like watching two different games. And so it
Speaker 1: can be tough when you have initial impression from watching
Speaker 1: just the broadcast view, but then you put on the
Speaker 1: tape and it's just a little different. That can be
Speaker 1: something that you're kind of fighting between your initial impression
Speaker 1: and what you come up with later. But you can.
Speaker 1: It's funny because as a scout, you should always watch
Speaker 1: film early, middle late, if you can do it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: just to make sure because some guys will struggle. I mean,
Speaker 1: guys might struggle and then all of a sudden they
Speaker 1: get at the end. Maybe they're picking it up a
Speaker 1: little bit. But you know, as we're I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: we're at the mercy of when the tape comes in, right,
Speaker 1: And so it's just no question, it's no question. A
Speaker 1: little bit of a disadvantage for us and we have
Speaker 1: to kind of weed through everything. But yeah, hey, work,
Speaker 1: get some questions for us on that Twitter of the
Speaker 1: twenty Yeah, yeah, I got some um big you'll like,
Speaker 1: like big big player, a lot of player specific questions.
Speaker 1: Good so Christian Christian, says Jalen Ferguson or Jay Sterton,
Speaker 1: Jay Sternberger at fifty eight, which good one. That's the
Speaker 1: Louisian attech Man. We have got some smart fans Weuisiana,
Speaker 1: tech Pass Rusher and the Texas A and M tight end.
Speaker 1: That sounds reasonable for their arrange to a degree, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it sure does. Would you rather have? And I mean,
Speaker 1: you know you gotta keep their gregory news in mind.
Speaker 1: If you're talking about the Cowboys are well, you can
Speaker 1: answer it objectively too. I don't care, but M that's
Speaker 1: a good one. Ferguson, I'm gonna hang you out on
Speaker 1: that one. I see. I really like Sternberger. I think
Speaker 1: that'd be a really nice fit at that point. I
Speaker 1: have a higher grade on Ferguson. Um, that's tough, though.
Speaker 1: I mean I would have to go Ferguson's high on
Speaker 1: my board. You know what, what would you go with?
Speaker 1: Great you have on Ferguson. Me on Ferguson. I got
Speaker 1: him the second round and I got Durnburger. I got
Speaker 1: Stumburger in the third. So if you if you went
Speaker 1: higher player on your board, Ferguson would make the most.
Speaker 1: Don't window dress your board. I'm not That's what I say.
Speaker 1: I'm not window dressing my board. Ferguson's my guy, might Sturburger,
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, you'd be good to have it. I'm
Speaker 1: I'm out on tight end. I've said that a million times,
Speaker 1: Like whatever did give me that? Why do you think
Speaker 1: he's out on tight ends? Why? Okay, let me ask
Speaker 1: you why you out on tight ends? I don't trust them.
Speaker 1: I don't trust the Cowboys to like to do to
Speaker 1: develop the guy the right way, and they've got a
Speaker 1: bad history of it. It's another kind of coach that
Speaker 1: kind of developed this, Uh the guy you have. Now,
Speaker 1: those those kids, I think Blake Jarwin and Jarwin, Blake
Speaker 1: Jarwin and Dalton Schultz did a great job of coming
Speaker 1: on at the end of the year. They still combined
Speaker 1: for like thirty catches. Like, let's not overdo what they did.
Speaker 1: And why don't you give him swiming coach? That's another question.
Speaker 1: That's another question entirely. Yeah, Uh, what else is like
Speaker 1: it's another position where again, you know it can definitely happen.
Speaker 1: But if you're drafting outs, if you're drafting these guys
Speaker 1: outside like the top forty, you're probably not getting instant production.
Speaker 1: And Dallas Goddard had a pretty hit, a pretty nice
Speaker 1: year for Philly, But like, what did what did he do?
Speaker 1: Like he wasn't well Jason Witten right away? Not even
Speaker 1: Jason Witten was Jason Witten right away. I'm a big goddard.
Speaker 1: I mean, how much of that was earth though? Sure,
Speaker 1: but Goddard is gonna be a big time I mean,
Speaker 1: this is this is a bad I'm okay again, I'm
Speaker 1: being selfish here. I know draft picks are about four years,
Speaker 1: but Steve, I just heard Stephen Jones say six times
Speaker 1: in twenty minutes, take the next step, like this is
Speaker 1: a team, this is a team trying to get to
Speaker 1: the NFC title game, right, absolutely? Okay, Well, and it's
Speaker 1: a bad example because Travis Kelsey's arguably the best tight
Speaker 1: end in football. You know how many passes he called
Speaker 1: his rookie year, like one? Yeah, it is a hard
Speaker 1: position to transition to also a third round pick. So
Speaker 1: if I and again I get it three years from now,
Speaker 1: he might be a beast. But if I'm trying to
Speaker 1: take the next step and not have to fire the
Speaker 1: whole coaching staff, let's worry about that later. That's how
Speaker 1: I feel I might be alone in that. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: that's how periscope. They asked though, is that you're tight end?
Speaker 1: Does the scheme require you to have these type of
Speaker 1: tight ends? I think? See, that's another thing we're trying
Speaker 1: to learn about. If we're just if we're just spitballing
Speaker 1: here and just give me bring back Dalton Schultz and
Speaker 1: Blake Jarwin and let's find a way to get Tyler
Speaker 1: Eiffort on this team. And let's go. How about that
Speaker 1: when you're highest rated tight ends you've ever had, huh
Speaker 1: yeah before before just based on draft grade, what you
Speaker 1: hope for the player. Yeah, he had won my highest
Speaker 1: grades as a tight end. Uh, Hawkinson will rival that.
Speaker 1: But yeah, if you told, if you told me I
Speaker 1: could get Hawkinson, then I'm listening. But I can't, so
Speaker 1: I don't even want to hear it. So you don't
Speaker 1: you want nothing to do with the Earth the earth
Speaker 1: Smith or not at any of those guys? Am I? Well,
Speaker 1: would I be? I? Like Nada? I watched him, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I've watched her Like they're good players. That's not my point.
Speaker 1: But again, what are we trying to accomplish in twenty nineteen.
Speaker 1: It'll be interesting they get wiped out, you know, pass
Speaker 1: rushers with defensive tackles, you know, and it's a tight
Speaker 1: ends or the best options available. And if that do that,
Speaker 1: if that's the case, if it's just blatantly obvious that
Speaker 1: a tight end is your best option, then that's what
Speaker 1: you should do. But I'm just not losing sleep thinking
Speaker 1: like they got a draft a tight end. They they
Speaker 1: have to people on periscope agreeing with you? Are they good?
Speaker 1: Thank you? All right? I think he's right there, he goes,
Speaker 1: James Webb, says bo James Stephen Jones said yesterday backup
Speaker 1: running back as a team need in the later rounds.
Speaker 1: Does the fourth round feel too early for you? And
Speaker 1: how would you rank holy Field out of Georgia, Montgomery
Speaker 1: out of Iowa State, and Trevion Williams out of A
Speaker 1: and M. Montgomery would be first feel from listening to y'all,
Speaker 1: I've got a couple of steps above those. I've got Henderson, Williams,
Speaker 1: and Montgomery all in the third round. So if you're
Speaker 1: telling me their fourth round, if they're looking at a guy,
Speaker 1: I think all those guys are gonna be gone in
Speaker 1: the third myself. That's kind of a sweet spot now
Speaker 1: for these teams picking these running backs in the third
Speaker 1: round and people are gonna look at history and say, huh,
Speaker 1: get a guy at sixty seven. Huh, get a guy
Speaker 1: at sixty A ye, exactly exactly. People. People are gonna
Speaker 1: look at that third round and they're gonna say, man,
Speaker 1: there's some cats. There's some good cats at that, you know,
Speaker 1: in that round. So I don't think those guys even
Speaker 1: make it to the fourth. Okay, for the Dallas cowboys sake,
Speaker 1: for the cowboy's sake, say you draft defensive end at
Speaker 1: the fifty eight, you're gonna go running back it you're
Speaker 1: gonna go running back it if one of those guys
Speaker 1: on the board. It No. I'm gonna take Steven Jones
Speaker 1: at his word, and I think he's right, Like you're
Speaker 1: the first the first three picks, well, I know you
Speaker 1: don't have a first round pick, but first three rounds
Speaker 1: we always say those are guys that should start or
Speaker 1: at least play significant roles, and you're backup running back.
Speaker 1: It's not with Zeke on the roster, it's not enough.
Speaker 1: There are some things where I think Steven will kind
Speaker 1: of let his you know, he's not trying a smoke
Speaker 1: screen anybody, like I remember at this time last year
Speaker 1: at the Combine, he had a couple of comments about
Speaker 1: defensive tackle. Yeah, like a whole show talking exactly and
Speaker 1: he didn't sure. I mean, he did not try to
Speaker 1: fool an. We're not drafting a tackle in the first
Speaker 1: round if he can't rush the passer. Yeah, that's how
Speaker 1: I feel about running back in the first two days
Speaker 1: for this team. I just that's the vibe I got
Speaker 1: from Steven, and I don't think it's happening Love. How
Speaker 1: about how about how about Bryce Love? I wrote about
Speaker 1: happening the third No no, no, no, no, no no no.
Speaker 1: But could this Could you see this team just taking
Speaker 1: Bryce Love and going with what they have right now?
Speaker 1: I'm torn between thinking Stanford Bryce Love. Sorry, folks out there,
Speaker 1: I'm torn between being intrigued by the upside, Like I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't want to compare him to Jalen Smith, but
Speaker 1: a similar situation where he could be a really good
Speaker 1: player once he gets healthy. How about with questions of
Speaker 1: contract with Zeke coming up, I don't know the way
Speaker 1: Stephen was talking. He made it sound like, Okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: of course we're gonna pay Zeke, Okay, but it wasn't
Speaker 1: mints and Wargen's about that either. But would you would
Speaker 1: you go ahead and would you be comfortable at say
Speaker 1: fifth round too early to take? I'm torn between the
Speaker 1: take Bryce Love, I'm there the potential verse again go
Speaker 1: back to my tight end point, like he can't help
Speaker 1: you in twenty nineteen? Would you take him? With the
Speaker 1: story fourmber come back? All right? Adrian Peterson can do that.
Speaker 1: I don't know put that on a rookie, I think
Speaker 1: with his running backs, I just I feel so good
Speaker 1: about getting a running back later on that I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna if the right ones there in the fourth round
Speaker 1: and late fourth I should Snell Kentucky Benny Snell. He's
Speaker 1: I don't know. I think he's too much like what
Speaker 1: you have with Zeke. You know, he's a he's a pounder,
Speaker 1: like he's a guy that's gonna take abuse and keep
Speaker 1: them coming back. You know, think about some of the
Speaker 1: other tight ends they've looked at in the past, like
Speaker 1: Edo Smith or Nahem Hines or you know guys that
Speaker 1: can maybe do a little bit different things than than Zeke.
Speaker 1: So in this group, you know, would they look at
Speaker 1: a guy like Justice Hill from Oklahoma State? Study him
Speaker 1: you know Jalen Moore from app State. Okay, okay, if
Speaker 1: the two guys should just name thumbnail me a scouting
Speaker 1: report on the guys and which one would be a
Speaker 1: better fit for what you're trying to do. Justice Hill
Speaker 1: is a really productive at Oklahoma State. I mean he
Speaker 1: played an offense where he was giving them some big holes.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, but he's elusive. You know, he can make
Speaker 1: guys miss. I hate to put you on spot comparison,
Speaker 1: kype of guy. I don't know. I mean, he's I
Speaker 1: hate when people do that to me. I'm sorry about that.
Speaker 1: He came in one hundred ninety eight pounds and that's
Speaker 1: a big thing is he's a little underweight, but he's
Speaker 1: so shifty and he can make guys miss. He needs
Speaker 1: to prove himself here at the combine in terms of
Speaker 1: catching the football. Um, and just you know, being a
Speaker 1: guy that you can rely on being more than just
Speaker 1: running through huge, gaping holes. Um, And we'll see if
Speaker 1: you can do that. Steven didn't tell me anything specifically,
Speaker 1: but I just feel like starting on day three, all
Speaker 1: bets are off, Like I think they would do it
Speaker 1: in the fourth. I think they could wait seventh. It
Speaker 1: just depends to have some fun in the draft when
Speaker 1: there's a value match up with the guy that's on
Speaker 1: the board the periscope they like, they like the Memphis
Speaker 1: running back by the way. Sure you can't take him
Speaker 1: in the top one hundred though, I mean, I know
Speaker 1: that's what I'm saying, and I think you're in a
Speaker 1: half to Yeah. No, thank you, no, yeah, thank you, sorry,
Speaker 1: Stephen said. Stephen Jones was like, yeah, well, Gurley and
Speaker 1: Todd Gurley is the jumping off point for Zeke's next contract.
Speaker 1: Like he volunteered that, nobody asked him about it. So
Speaker 1: when I hear that, I'm like, all right, well, Zeke's
Speaker 1: gonna be here for like six more years, so I'm
Speaker 1: not worried about and drafting a guy in the top
Speaker 1: one hundred to be an expensive backfield. Yeah seriously, um,
Speaker 1: Dominic White slot receiver question, who would you rather have
Speaker 1: with your third round pick? Toledo's Deonte Johnson. I like him,
Speaker 1: by the way, Penny hart our guy from George Georgia's
Speaker 1: I can never remember, so uh. And then speaking of Georgia,
Speaker 1: Mikole Hardman, the Georgia receiver number four. Hartman is that
Speaker 1: is that the right range for all these guys. Probably
Speaker 1: I got Hardman. Yeah, Hardman, I got those two and
Speaker 1: all three of these guys. You probably gotta take it
Speaker 1: ninety one. Yeah, okay, Yeah, I didn't like I I
Speaker 1: you know, I didn't like Nicole Hardman that much. I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: I know he seems like he's garnering interest, like he
Speaker 1: just a special athlete. He's oh, he's incredibly fast. But
Speaker 1: and I don't I didn't watch freaking two seasons worth
Speaker 1: of tape. I'm sorry, I'm not Dane. Yeah, I know.
Speaker 1: I asked him the same questions, like, what's the point?
Speaker 1: What what did you okay on the little study that
Speaker 1: you did on him? What did you not like on
Speaker 1: him about a very very limited route tree from what
Speaker 1: I saw? What did you like about him? He's a
Speaker 1: special athlete, give me, give me the special athletes and
Speaker 1: all you know, with the most out of him, it's
Speaker 1: just he But can you live with being a special
Speaker 1: athlete without having the routes? Tavon Austin's a special athlete. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna say on the stage of not bringing
Speaker 1: him back. I don't think that we didn't talk. We
Speaker 1: haven't talked about him at all. They sound like they're
Speaker 1: kind of I'm not gonna say on this table and
Speaker 1: go for Micole Hartman. I mean, I like him, but
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna like you know, all those three wide receivers.
Speaker 1: Who are you gonna stand on the table four? I
Speaker 1: don't think i'd stand on the table for any of them.
Speaker 1: No, no no, no, no no. If you just had Penny Hart.
Speaker 1: I haven't watched the Toledo Kid, but I like Penny Hart.
Speaker 1: I like that Toledo kid a lot. Yeah, I like
Speaker 1: him too, And he's gonna special team's ability. U. Penny
Speaker 1: Hart's gonna be kind of out of sight, out of
Speaker 1: mind because he is not here in Indianapolis. The biggest
Speaker 1: snub good Year. Good keep it that way. Yeah, maybe
Speaker 1: it pushes him down around. But mcole Hardman is just
Speaker 1: he's I don't know, when we watched Dante Johnson together, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I liked him. He's just he's out
Speaker 1: of control a lot um. But he's a he's a
Speaker 1: big time athlete. He's a quarterback in high school. Just
Speaker 1: there's nothing about his route running at all. You're talking about,
Speaker 1: you know, and and and this is this is totally
Speaker 1: unfair because I'm just thinking they went to the same school.
Speaker 1: But who's the who's the receiver that came out of
Speaker 1: Georgia a year or two ago, who was like a
Speaker 1: kick return phenomen Mackenzie isah, McKenzie, Yeah, that's I went
Speaker 1: to Denver. Yeah, that's he's fast. He's just he's just
Speaker 1: throwing these kids. He's all together. You're just fast as hell,
Speaker 1: like and and that's awesome, But like, what else can
Speaker 1: you do? What else you got? People are asking about
Speaker 1: Mitchell from Oregon, Dylan Mitchell, Yeah, Nelson ag Yeah, carbon copy. Um,
Speaker 1: you know, I I like Mitchell. He's a like I said,
Speaker 1: he's he's Agalore where you know, you see speed, you
Speaker 1: see uh, you know, ability to be a vertical threat.
Speaker 1: I don't know drops were an issue. Focus was an issue. Uh,
Speaker 1: not very nuanced with with the routes. Um. I think
Speaker 1: he's a row just a very raw player like he was.
Speaker 1: He was a bigger basketball recruit than he was in
Speaker 1: football in high school. Uh. And so I think he's
Speaker 1: still learning in football. I think he's still working on
Speaker 1: his confidence. He's still like, I think he's gonna be
Speaker 1: have a route awakening when he gets the nfl um
Speaker 1: and just in terms of you know, having what it's
Speaker 1: what it's gonna take to be a pro. And so
Speaker 1: that gives me a little bit of pause with Dylan Mitchell.
Speaker 1: But I like him, you know, not like that much
Speaker 1: more than in any of these other guys. Um. I
Speaker 1: think he's right there in that mix though, with Hardman
Speaker 1: and Johnson, and they're right there in that late third,
Speaker 1: early fourth. Who's the receiver that nobody's talking about. Nobody's
Speaker 1: given any love to that. At the end of the day,
Speaker 1: we're gonna go, okay, and you're gonna said, I told
Speaker 1: you so, I told you. Is there a guy that
Speaker 1: you have that that nobody's you know, nobody's really all right,
Speaker 1: here's a guy, Darius Slayton from Auburn. There we go.
Speaker 1: I knew I could get you to say, Darius Slayton,
Speaker 1: he's I tell you what. First time I first time
Speaker 1: I watched him, I wasn't impressed. No, yeah, you admitted it.
Speaker 1: Went back and we watched him again and yeah, he's
Speaker 1: a good player and he's gonna have some drops, and
Speaker 1: you know, I thought it was interesting. Um, I think
Speaker 1: it's Frank Wright, the Colt's head coach. Yeah, he talked
Speaker 1: about this today during this press are talking about how
Speaker 1: you can don't get too hung up on the negatives,
Speaker 1: right with a with a player, you know, like you
Speaker 1: can live with a few bad drops. Tell me about
Speaker 1: the impact plays, yeah, you know, And so consistency might
Speaker 1: be an issue. He might have some drops, but this
Speaker 1: dude can. He's six two, one hundred ninety pounds and
Speaker 1: he can run and three eight is legitimate. You talk
Speaker 1: about guys trying to take angles on him, he's running
Speaker 1: through it. And I watched quality games old miss Texas
Speaker 1: in Mississippi State, people that can legitimately play defense, especially
Speaker 1: in Mississippi State with all their guys, And I mean
Speaker 1: he he embarrassed some guys with the way he Remember
Speaker 1: Sammy Coachs from Auburn. Yeah, he's like Sammy Coachs except better.
Speaker 1: I mean he's like actually shows the ability to run
Speaker 1: some routes. He can. When you said that, I was like,
Speaker 1: I don't know if I love that. So he mean
Speaker 1: he can on comebacks, he can create after the catch. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's got a little bit of yack to him. Oh
Speaker 1: he can drive him those guys me when his routes
Speaker 1: he drives guys off the ball, and you could see
Speaker 1: the people are nervous about playing him when when we
Speaker 1: get done with this week, Darius Slayton, you heard it
Speaker 1: first year. A lot more about Darius Slayton because he's
Speaker 1: gonna run really well and he's just a big time athlete.
Speaker 1: Won't chock me at all when he goes top one hundred.
Speaker 1: He's not under the radar because he played at one
Speaker 1: of the biggest programs. And well, I'm yes, Darius Slayton.
Speaker 1: But the guy I'm not to mention. You see the
Speaker 1: name like nobody like I feel like nobody talks about
Speaker 1: Paris Campbell and choosing not to go to the Senior
Speaker 1: Bowl as a reason. But he's he's another guy who's
Speaker 1: gonna blow up this way. That's like I'm gonna not
Speaker 1: I mean, I hesitate very hard to compare him to
Speaker 1: Mike Thomas coming out of Ohio State, but like, that's
Speaker 1: a guy I could see getting drafted low and being
Speaker 1: like way better than his draft stock indicates. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean there's a big difference between him and No. I'm
Speaker 1: not trying to compare their abilities their tape, just in
Speaker 1: terms of like you're like, why did this guy get
Speaker 1: drafted seventy The thing with Campbell is he just everything
Speaker 1: is he was he was like a gadget guy basically,
Speaker 1: you know, like he was the he was the Percy
Speaker 1: Harvin in Urban Meyer's offense this year. You know what,
Speaker 1: Percy Harv is pretty damn good play than the player.
Speaker 1: But he you know, where's a lot of like he
Speaker 1: had this year. I think he had like three catches
Speaker 1: of forty plus yards, but they were like screens and
Speaker 1: dump offs and like he doesn't run downfield routes and
Speaker 1: so it's just he improves his hands this year in
Speaker 1: terms of his catch rate, but I have he's just
Speaker 1: so unproven as a route runner. I just but he's
Speaker 1: a big time athlete. He's gonna run really well. Um,
Speaker 1: the verts, the broad that's going to be ridiculous. So
Speaker 1: big time athlete, No question. I could push him up
Speaker 1: into the top forty, top fifty because he's going to
Speaker 1: test off the charts. You know. Jalen Herd from Baylor's
Speaker 1: not working out in this Comboy, which is at the
Speaker 1: Senior Bowl. He said, one hundred percent absolutely work Exactly
Speaker 1: what do you think set back there? We'll have to
Speaker 1: find out a knee injury for his Bowl game, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's just a minor thing. Had to but I will
Speaker 1: say this, Yeah, he's a good player though. Uh do
Speaker 1: you know who? Do you know who did this surgery? No?
Speaker 1: I do not Cowboys doctor Cooper? Okay, who back next week?
Speaker 1: Doctor Cooper's really Dane with the tidbit third or fourth
Speaker 1: US circle? Uh? Okay, this is Jalen tape? Like this
Speaker 1: tape is really good? What he was a slot receiver? Yes,
Speaker 1: he's a slot receiver who looks like a running back
Speaker 1: once he gets the ball in his hands, because running
Speaker 1: back absolutely fun to watch. I'm a fan. Got another
Speaker 1: question there, this is This is a self these questions,
Speaker 1: don't we this is self serving? I mean, I don't
Speaker 1: we don't need to answer it, but like this drives
Speaker 1: me crazy every year. I'm sure y'all can agree. Ryan,
Speaker 1: no offense, Ryan sorry, says how much draft capital would
Speaker 1: it take to go up from fifty eight to get
Speaker 1: Hackinson or the other tight end? Would it help to
Speaker 1: throw Jordan Lewis in on the deal? And I just
Speaker 1: like every year, I feel like people don't have a
Speaker 1: good grasp on what trading up in the draft entails
Speaker 1: because what we did the math. The charts changed from
Speaker 1: year to year, but we did the math. We could
Speaker 1: get to forty one, fifty eight and ninety one, could
Speaker 1: get you to could get you maybe twelve spots, thirteen spots.
Speaker 1: In twenty fourteen, they went from forty seven to thirty
Speaker 1: four by using their second and third round pick. Right,
Speaker 1: So you're talking a dozen spots, maybe a little more,
Speaker 1: maybe a little less, depending on the team you're dealing with.
Speaker 1: If you want to go into the first round, it's
Speaker 1: going to cost you your next first round pick, almost
Speaker 1: certainly because minimal Jordan Lewis, I mean Jordan Lewis, he's
Speaker 1: a good player. I'd like to see him play a
Speaker 1: little bit more. Once you get drafted, your value like
Speaker 1: it's like driving a car off the lot. Right, Like
Speaker 1: he was a third round pick. He's not worth remotely
Speaker 1: that once he gets drafted. It's kind of dumb, but
Speaker 1: that's just the way it works. I appreciate people trying
Speaker 1: to go out the box center thing. Love that stuff.
Speaker 1: What Dan, where do you think Hockinson goes like top fifteen? Right? Probably?
Speaker 1: You know, it's just you know, tight ends are weird
Speaker 1: because there's only so many that need a tight end.
Speaker 1: This guy's get the Lions. I think this guy's rare
Speaker 1: can take him at eight, I mean the possibly at ten.
Speaker 1: That that like you know how you feel about Joey Harrington,
Speaker 1: Like Lions fans, coaches, scouts just must drop their head
Speaker 1: when they hear that name. Yeah. But my main point
Speaker 1: being if okay, if you got to get up to
Speaker 1: eight to get Hackinson, like what is what? What could
Speaker 1: you even give up? Like you'd have to give up
Speaker 1: so much? Yeah, he's like trained for a quarterback. Yeah
Speaker 1: he's going to Yeah, in which that doesn't make sense.
Speaker 1: He's going he's gonna go somewhere top twenty five. It's
Speaker 1: just it could be as high as say eight, or
Speaker 1: he could still slip to say twenty four. Like I
Speaker 1: think the Raiders would be all over him at twenty four. See,
Speaker 1: that's what I think. Which that would be interesting to
Speaker 1: me if that's where your scenario, we're training for training
Speaker 1: for Hawks something. I think that's the earliest, the earliest
Speaker 1: you could try to do that type of yea, And
Speaker 1: if you were going to do it, you're getting rid
Speaker 1: of next year's one. Yeah, No, you're getting rid of
Speaker 1: next year's one and fifty eight to draft this player,
Speaker 1: maybe more, depending again, depending on the team. Poor Raiders
Speaker 1: say they don't play the chart real, well, we just
Speaker 1: throw shade at the Raiders all day. On the open market,
Speaker 1: what would Jordan lewis thinking? Get? You think sixth? I
Speaker 1: think at best? Yeah, But I mean I like him,
Speaker 1: but what has he done to prove to another team
Speaker 1: that he's worth something valuable? Yeah? That's I mean, if
Speaker 1: you want to trade Zeke, we could maybe talk about
Speaker 1: getting some Yeah, but we're not doing that. That's crazy.
Speaker 1: Who could you get the most four if you traded
Speaker 1: that player on this team? On this team? Who who
Speaker 1: could you get? Who could get quarterback? Runner for the
Speaker 1: desperate team? It's gotta be a quarterback. Huh oh oh.
Speaker 1: Zack Martin's a good answer. Yeah, Zach, he's still young,
Speaker 1: he's got I think, yeah, Zeke, he just signed a
Speaker 1: new deal, Zeke, Zach or maybe, I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 1: You could probably get something pretty nice for Layton vander
Speaker 1: Esh he's freaking twenty two. He's got four years left
Speaker 1: on his deal. That's true. Yeah, Because and I don't
Speaker 1: think there's a linebacker as good as Layton vanders in
Speaker 1: this round. This is but yeah, exactly, yeah, yeah, one
Speaker 1: of probably one of those three or mate, you know,
Speaker 1: once he signed back, I'm fascinated by that. I don't know,
Speaker 1: I don't, I don't and it's so polarizing, Like you know,
Speaker 1: it would take the right team that was desperate enough,
Speaker 1: and just I'm sure you could get something nice for
Speaker 1: him from the right team. Yeah, or and hey, after
Speaker 1: watching what the Bears gave to Oakland for Mac, I
Speaker 1: think you could probably do something nice with the Marcus
Speaker 1: Lawrence also true. Now we're just gonna invite a million
Speaker 1: people into like, well, what if we do this? What
Speaker 1: if we get rid of our best player? And how
Speaker 1: many picks get though? No, it's it's it's fun. I
Speaker 1: get it, But I don't think it's practical. I don't think. Again,
Speaker 1: if this team's trying to take the next step, why
Speaker 1: are you trying to get rid of your best players?
Speaker 1: The best thing you learned from from the last two
Speaker 1: days of something you did assume something you didn't know
Speaker 1: from Steven Jones, and something and something you didn't know
Speaker 1: from Jason Garrett. Did not know that Randy Gregory was
Speaker 1: gonna get suspended. No, we um. They they knew Zeke,
Speaker 1: they knew they knew Stephen Jones being so forthcoming about
Speaker 1: He's like, you know, we're gonna give Zeke Gurly money,
Speaker 1: like he said, and his direct quote was something like,
Speaker 1: you know, we've already budgeted to pay Zeke that deal.
Speaker 1: Like again, it would be one thing to say, like
Speaker 1: we think the world of Zeke and of course we'd
Speaker 1: like to get something done, like very noncommittal, very complimentary,
Speaker 1: but very noncommittal. Like he was pretty committal. He's like,
Speaker 1: we've budgeted for this. Girl's the benchmark will make it happen.
Speaker 1: I was like, okay, I didn't know that, um, And
Speaker 1: you know, you know him talking about you know, he's
Speaker 1: identifying defensive line as a draft need and that was
Speaker 1: before we knew about Randy Gregory, so that makes sense. Uh.
Speaker 1: Safety was when it just came right off the top
Speaker 1: of safety too. Yeah, he seemed very optimistic about Cole Beasley.
Speaker 1: And then actually that's the Okay, you remember, before we
Speaker 1: came to the combine, I saw, you know, you can
Speaker 1: kind of get an inkling for what they're thinking. And
Speaker 1: I brought up the example of like two years ago
Speaker 1: we kind of started hearing like, well, maybe Jeff Heath
Speaker 1: can do it. You know, if we lose Burry Church,
Speaker 1: maybe Jeff Heath can do it. What does Steven say yesterday,
Speaker 1: Alan Hurt? Maybe Alan Hearns can do it. Maybe Alan
Speaker 1: Herns will be our slot if Cole Beasley leaves, which
Speaker 1: I started hearing alarm bells immediately, I was like, buy
Speaker 1: Cole and you know they'll have Hearns and maybe they'll
Speaker 1: try to draft a guy. Which it's too early to
Speaker 1: say that definitely, but that like when somebody offers up
Speaker 1: a name like that, like when somebody like Steven Jones
Speaker 1: gets specific, Yeah, that says something to me. Yeah, he's
Speaker 1: been taught personal meetings talking about this stuff, Um, Jay
Speaker 1: and Garrett Jason, Garrett kind of said, I mean he
Speaker 1: said he expects Sean Leeback. Yeah, that that was something
Speaker 1: we don't usually learn a lot from Jason, but that
Speaker 1: that counts national coaches general mansion stuff. You were listening today,
Speaker 1: Give me a national perspective of something you might have
Speaker 1: learned from a team that you maybe didn't know or
Speaker 1: you know, or interesting something to keep an eye on.
Speaker 1: I mean, you have to talk about Steve Kim and
Speaker 1: what he said about Josh Rosen being the guy right now,
Speaker 1: right now. Um No, I've been saying all draft season, like,
Speaker 1: you can't just say far their coach after one year.
Speaker 1: That tells you where their mindset is. You can't just
Speaker 1: you do not eliminate Kyler Murray as a possibility at one. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's a realistic possibility, and it's gonna be fascinating to
Speaker 1: see what the market be for Josh Rosen. I don't
Speaker 1: think it'd be as great as some people think. Um Like,
Speaker 1: I'm not sold they get a first round pick for him,
Speaker 1: because I think people need to remember that as you
Speaker 1: just did like a ninety two You ever seen that
Speaker 1: gift of Bruce Arians Like, like, that's what Brian just did.
Speaker 1: Because remember there were probably only three or four teams
Speaker 1: that were seriously in on Josh Rosen as a first
Speaker 1: round pick last year. Okay, if Josh Rosen was in
Speaker 1: this draft, where would he fall at quarterback? See? The
Speaker 1: Josh Rosen discussion is very difficult to have because so
Speaker 1: much of it is personality, the way he carries himself.
Speaker 1: It's an intangible position and you know, I just it's
Speaker 1: it's a hard conversation to have because we don't know
Speaker 1: the teams that are. Like I said, they were only
Speaker 1: three or four teams that were in on him last year.
Speaker 1: I mean there were he was a fourth quarterback drafted.
Speaker 1: I feel I feel like an idiot because he was
Speaker 1: the one I felt the best about. I keep calling
Speaker 1: him Matt Ryan. It's too early to close the book
Speaker 1: on him. Yeah, but it's again if you it's an
Speaker 1: intangible position. If you don't trust him to, you know,
Speaker 1: be a leader of men. And I mean you can
Speaker 1: people can you know, would you take us to it?
Speaker 1: All they want? But did you take a second round
Speaker 1: pick for him right now? If you're the I mean, well,
Speaker 1: if they you're going to draft Kyler Murray one, you
Speaker 1: have to trade Josh Rosen. You cannot have them. No,
Speaker 1: there's no there's no doubt. Yeah, so I mean you
Speaker 1: take you hold out as long as you and take
Speaker 1: would you take the Dolphins second round pick or they
Speaker 1: Jacksonville Jaguars second round pick? I think you wait until this,
Speaker 1: You almost have to wait until the draft. And you know,
Speaker 1: you tell me the Redskins wouldn't give up fifteen overt Yeah,
Speaker 1: you gotta hold somebody's feet over the fire and be like, yeah,
Speaker 1: give us the first round because I mean, look, I
Speaker 1: like Drew Lock, I like Daniel Jones. If you're the rest,
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. You were you were kind of
Speaker 1: noncommittal there, but like I think it's like John Rosen
Speaker 1: would be the second best quarterback in this class behind
Speaker 1: I mean you could Murray would be back. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean I think based on tape, Yeah, I'd agree with you. Okay.
Speaker 1: The thing is, it's just again, it's a hard conversation
Speaker 1: to have because a lot of teams are turned off
Speaker 1: by just how he his interactions with the team and
Speaker 1: how he carries himself. Teams don't like smart players. They don't.
Speaker 1: That's they don't. I'm convinced that that's true. All right, then,
Speaker 1: well that's all the time we have for tonight. Gosh,
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