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Speaker 1: This is the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Show. Cowboys

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Speaker 1: on there war room for in center news and draft analysis,

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Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys select Ezekiel Elliott and now your hosts Dane Brusler,

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Speaker 1: David Hellman, and Brian brought us well. As promised, we

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Speaker 1: are here in Indianapolis, Indiana, for the two thousand and

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Speaker 1: nineteen version of the NFL Scouting Combine. As the big

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Speaker 1: voice guy says, I'm Brian brought us along with Dame Krugler,

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Speaker 1: David Hellman, Kent Garrison, executive producing here from the Convention

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Speaker 1: Center downtown Indianapolis. Uh, guys, excited to be here. Good

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Speaker 1: to be here with you, Brian. Yeah. My twenty seventh

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Speaker 1: combine nice was six for me, six combines for you,

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Speaker 1: nine nine for the great Dane Brugler. So yeah, so yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's uh, that's part of it though. That's that's the Grady.

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Speaker 1: That's the beauty of this is that we get to

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Speaker 1: come here and be a part of this. Enjoyed so much.

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Speaker 1: It's so much part of what we do with the

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Speaker 1: Draft show. You know, we handled the early stuff with

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Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl, did that all week, and then now

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Speaker 1: we've got the combine to come to this is where Dane,

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Speaker 1: that we get to see the medical, the interview, right,

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Speaker 1: and then the actual workouts. We talked about that before

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Speaker 1: we came here. Nothing has really changed as far as

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Speaker 1: that goes, as far as you're concerned, right, And the

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Speaker 1: reason we have the combines the medicals, and you know,

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Speaker 1: unfortunately the top two reasons, the medicals and the interviews.

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Speaker 1: We really don't have access to that in terms of

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Speaker 1: the player interviews with the teams and all that. But

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Speaker 1: we will have access to the players here during a

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Speaker 1: media session starting tomorrow. Offensive linemen and running lines exactly so,

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Speaker 1: So it will have a good mix of player interviews

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Speaker 1: coming the next few days, and then on Friday we

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Speaker 1: get to see the unfield actions. Start with the offensive linemen.

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Speaker 1: The running backs go through drills, not just the forty

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Speaker 1: yard dash, the agility drills, but the positional drills, and

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Speaker 1: that you can tell a lot with especially these offensive linemen.

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Speaker 1: You know, how do they pop up, by their stance,

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Speaker 1: their shuffle, and when you see these guys one after

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Speaker 1: just how well they move or how well they don't move,

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Speaker 1: and so that really helps evaluation purposes. And as we

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Speaker 1: started the combine, Steven Jones Jerry Jones will be on

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Speaker 1: Saturday to end the combine. But we got a chance

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Speaker 1: to talk to Steven Jones yesterday. He kind of filled

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Speaker 1: us in on Dallas Cowboys dot Com, you Rob Phillips

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Speaker 1: writing about that the direction that they might be looking

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Speaker 1: at how they're going to evaluate these prospects in this

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Speaker 1: upcoming combine. Yeah, we're really lucky because Stephen is obviously

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Speaker 1: he's part of the NFL Competition Committee. They start their meetings,

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Speaker 1: you know, days before the rest of us get here.

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Speaker 1: So we're fortunate in the sense, you know, we don't

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Speaker 1: have to wait like the rest of these guys do

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Speaker 1: you know, GMS and just started talking today. We got

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Speaker 1: Stephen a day early. It's right there for you on

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Speaker 1: the website. He broke down the draft, he broke down

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Speaker 1: free agency, talked about Jason Garrett's contract, I mean you

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Speaker 1: name it. You know, got off to a running start

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Speaker 1: like we always do because Steven's always here early. It's great, hey,

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Speaker 1: it is. It does It makes your job a lot

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Speaker 1: easier when you can get that kind of knocked that

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Speaker 1: out of the way. There's a lot of talk about

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Speaker 1: what's going on with DeMarcus Lawrence's contract. Yeah, they have

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Speaker 1: they can get a deal done. Kind of get the

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Speaker 1: like you hear whispers that maybe they'll have a deal

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Speaker 1: that's only six days away. I don't want to, Well,

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Speaker 1: representatives will be here, you know, Stephen, it was a

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Speaker 1: surprising amount of transparency, said, you know, they've made an

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Speaker 1: Maybe they'll have to use the tag on him, like that.

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Speaker 1: And that's when the news breaks, Not when we're talking

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Speaker 1: Good times. Um yeah, kind of put a damper on

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Speaker 1: a little damper things were going along well. Dame Brugler,

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Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboy fans, if they're looking for defensive tackles, defensive ends,

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Speaker 1: Does it make you think, Okay, got to grab a

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Speaker 1: There the defensive line group we know is a strength

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Speaker 1: are a team that needs a defensive end, you have

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Speaker 1: to feel pretty good about rounds one through say four,

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Speaker 1: I want a playmaker, and if that's off the edge,

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Speaker 1: glad you're not being a sunshine pumper right now, Dane. No,

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Speaker 1: that's what this show's not about that. I know. It's

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Speaker 1: which the fact that people think they're not is bad.

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Speaker 1: a guy at fifty eight is call your the kid

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Speaker 1: I think there will be options. You know. Jalen Ferguson

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Speaker 1: He's he's a speed to power rusher. You know that

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Speaker 1: you know, that's a great thing. Yeah, I read your story.

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Speaker 1: You're mad because they all told you your guy's not

423
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Speaker 1: the best guy. Well, I'm talking about what's about Williams,

424
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Speaker 1: the the Alabama tackle. I'm like, let me ask you

425
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Speaker 1: about Williams, a tackle from Alabama. And to a man,

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Speaker 1: it was Taylor's a better player. Jan from Florida's a

427
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Speaker 1: better player. It won't be working out this week, unfortunately.

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Speaker 1: But to a man, they were saying. And this is

429
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Speaker 1: where I always find it funny that you know, you

430
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Speaker 1: do a lot of work. I do a lot of

431
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Speaker 1: work watching this tape. This is where the media scouts

432
00:21:07,960 --> 00:21:10,879
Speaker 1: when they come to the combine now start talking to

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Speaker 1: the real scouts. But I don't see I don't think

434
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Speaker 1: it's it's not a consensus, okay, Like that's I think

435
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Speaker 1: there's gonna be a lot of split opinion. Like when

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Speaker 1: I did my tackle rank. Okay, could be a trade

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Speaker 1: up then for one of those guys. If you feel

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Speaker 1: that Taylor's better than Williams. Yeah, because I think we're

439
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Speaker 1: gonna you throw Andre Dillard in that minute. You know,

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Speaker 1: I think Cody Ford. I did an interesting quote from

441
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Speaker 1: a scout on Ford told me that he is a

442
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Speaker 1: B plus tackle in the league, or can be an

443
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Speaker 1: a minus guard. So where do you want them? Um?

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Speaker 1: And so Cordy Ford will be looked at a little differently,

445
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Speaker 1: But say what, they got a good guard there too.

446
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Speaker 1: Pronounce his name wrong, Sina Oklahoma, Yeah, Drew Samia, Samia, Yeah, Samia.

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Speaker 1: Pronounce his name for me, Dane, I don't know it well, No,

448
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Speaker 1: I always pronounce it wrong. Samia, Drew Semiah, Yeah, yes,

449
00:22:00,320 --> 00:22:02,920
Speaker 1: he's he's legit. He's a top five guard in this draft.

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Speaker 1: Damn righty is yeah? I mean, all right, maybe I'm

451
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Speaker 1: maybe I'm just completely drawn a blank. But this will

452
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Speaker 1: be the seventh draft I've covered. I can't think of

453
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Speaker 1: very many instances of people going up for tackles. Yeah,

454
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Speaker 1: but if you want the right one, we usually don't have.

455
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Speaker 1: This is a tackle rich first round. See, don't have that.

456
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Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying you if you if you're going

457
00:22:24,840 --> 00:22:27,639
Speaker 1: to go get some if you don't trust these quarterbacks.

458
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Speaker 1: But it's also the reason why we might not see

459
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Speaker 1: a lot of movement because okay, I mean, if I don't,

460
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Speaker 1: I don't get you one. Taylor. Okay, you know what,

461
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Speaker 1: I'll be okay with? Oh that happened to the Giants.

462
00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:41,560
Speaker 1: They settled on that Brandon Flower, that Eric Eric Flowers. Okay,

463
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Speaker 1: no one, I'm just saying Eric Flowers should not have

464
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Speaker 1: been he was nice. Yeah, that should not have happened.

465
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Speaker 1: That's that's a mis evaluation. They settled. Well, No, what

466
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Speaker 1: they did is they jumped a tier that there's a

467
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Speaker 1: top tier guys. Then they jumped a tier and took

468
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Speaker 1: a guy that should not have been taken that early.

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Speaker 1: This see with this group, I think it's it's a

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Speaker 1: little more palatable to take a Cody forward. If Jwan

471
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Speaker 1: Taylor's gone to be, you have to settle for Jonah Williams. Okay,

472
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Speaker 1: oh no, I'll be okay, yeah, so you know, but

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Speaker 1: you're right. I mean, guys fall these teams, They fall

474
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Speaker 1: in love with players. If Juwan Taylor really is uh

475
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Speaker 1: clearly the top tackle for some of these teams, sure,

476
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Speaker 1: I think that's definitely a possibility. Again, we're talking about

477
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Speaker 1: premium positions here, because you're not you're not going to

478
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Speaker 1: trade up for a back. You're not trading up for

479
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Speaker 1: You're not trading up for a wide receiver, are you not?

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Speaker 1: Maybe I'll take what with Marky's Brown going down? How

481
00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:37,960
Speaker 1: many wide receivers going in the first round. Maybe DK Metcalf.

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Speaker 1: We talked about that this morning. I think, yeah, yeah,

483
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Speaker 1: Well also, I mean your initial you're a gut feeling

484
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Speaker 1: about wide receiver. Did you have a first round wide receiver? No? No,

485
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Speaker 1: And I mean DK Metcalf I have as a late one.

486
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Speaker 1: So I don't feel great about that. But when DK

487
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Speaker 1: Mettcalf is six four, two thirty and runs a four four,

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Speaker 1: teams are gonna be excited about. That's gonna run the

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Speaker 1: shuttling exactly. That's and that's what that's where you know,

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Speaker 1: I have visions of David Boston dancing in my head

491
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Speaker 1: right now, but there will be some Scots who have

492
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Speaker 1: visions that Josh Gordon out there just on the field

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Speaker 1: in terms of ability. Don't shot me like that, just

494
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Speaker 1: on a good way? Yeah, I know, yeah, I don't

495
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Speaker 1: don't fret. Brian's like, oh my god, a problem child. Yes,

496
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Speaker 1: bring him on more and more and more. Preston Williams,

497
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Speaker 1: yes please. You know, hey, you guys are gonna be

498
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Speaker 1: wrong about Preston Williams. By the way, okay, we'll see

499
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Speaker 1: not wrong that he had passed issues. And I'm not

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Speaker 1: saying he's gonna have future issues. I'm just I just

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Speaker 1: a little bit about Anthony Nelson, the Iowa Iowa the

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Speaker 1: Iowa defensive end, Dane. I'll try to throw it over

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Speaker 1: to you if you want to talk about that. I

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Speaker 1: it's a lot of straight line. I don't know if

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Speaker 1: he has a great bend. I was kind of disappointed

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Speaker 1: his contact balance. Sure, but I'll tell you what his length.

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Speaker 1: He knows how to beat beat up blockers with that length,

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Speaker 1: those heavy hands. So where's where's a value for a

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Speaker 1: player like that? Who? I don't think he's gonna give

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Speaker 1: you a lot as a pass rusher, but he's a

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Speaker 1: quality rundefender. I mean, a high effort guy. You know

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Speaker 1: what you're getting with him. I think his football intelligence

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Speaker 1: has grown steadily over when he was at Iowa, and

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Speaker 1: I think it will continue to grow in the NFL. So, uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, is he uh will he be there at

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Speaker 1: fifty eight? I think he's going to be in that

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Speaker 1: conversation to possibly be there. And if he is, does

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Speaker 1: that fit what you want? Because I think you can

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Speaker 1: move him inside on some passing downs, uh, you know,

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Speaker 1: get another pass rusher on the field. So I think

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Speaker 1: he definitely would be in the mix for what they're

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Speaker 1: looking for. Here, I'm having which I having fas Tyrone

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Speaker 1: Crawford here, I'm actually well, I actually watched him just

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Speaker 1: how I know, I know you did, so I brought

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Speaker 1: him up I'm having flashbacks of what we talked about

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Speaker 1: with Taco, honestly, and I don't I don't think that

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00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:35,680
Speaker 1: they're that similar when you watch him on tape. But

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Speaker 1: just like that scouting report of like, well, he's never

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Speaker 1: gonna be this elite pass rusher, but you know, maybe

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Speaker 1: he can you know, do this and do that and

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Speaker 1: just be a solid baseline guy, which that's maybe not

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Speaker 1: what you want at twenty eight, it sounds palatable at

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Speaker 1: fifty eight that's I mean, he's a gigantic, powerful dude.

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Speaker 1: I think he I think he could be serviceable. I

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Speaker 1: don't see a ton of like pass for rush yet,

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Speaker 1: like he doesn't bend right. Yeah, I mean it's like

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Speaker 1: what you're getting from Tyrone Crows. They don't get outside

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Speaker 1: of him that Tyrone Crawford remains underappreciated because absolutely as

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Speaker 1: of his contract number that people won't forgive him for

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Speaker 1: even though they would have signed it to. Absolutely, So

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Speaker 1: I mean at fifty eight, I'm I'm fine with it.

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Speaker 1: And again, going back to the conversation from the first segment,

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Speaker 1: is like, when you're at fifty eight, exactly what are

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Speaker 1: you what are you getting? You're not give up something

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Speaker 1: you're not getting von Miller. Okay, let me ask you this,

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Speaker 1: like a guy like him or you would you compare

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Speaker 1: him or they like and maybe it's a bad comparison.

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Speaker 1: Jalen Jolkes from Oregon, same type. I did like jokes, Okay,

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Speaker 1: I did give me some give me some con then

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Speaker 1: on him. If that's what you think. Well, the first

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Speaker 1: play I ever watched of him was Caleb McGarry just

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Speaker 1: the first play of that game. Yeah, Um, McGarry got

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Speaker 1: just hard to get division out of my head. But yeah,

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Speaker 1: skinny small forward who has potential as a pass rusher,

631
00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:07,920
Speaker 1: but he needs to get stronger. Yeah, and I just

632
00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:11,440
Speaker 1: don't know if he necessarily will at the next level. Yeah.

633
00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:14,440
Speaker 1: I picked up some late games I didn't have. Washington

634
00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:19,640
Speaker 1: was not in my repertoire here Bowling Green, Portland State, UCLA, Stanford,

635
00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:22,520
Speaker 1: and Michigan State World. And so I saw a guy

636
00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:24,400
Speaker 1: that did show the ability to kind of you know,

637
00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:26,720
Speaker 1: when you talk about playing with your hands, you know

638
00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:30,680
Speaker 1: you're right. I you know, again the lineman from Washington's

639
00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:33,520
Speaker 1: you know, good blocker, and I mean he hooks up

640
00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:35,760
Speaker 1: on you, that's gonna be tough. But I did I

641
00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:37,560
Speaker 1: did see in these games though, he puts himself in

642
00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:39,920
Speaker 1: position to make some plays. And I thought he showed

643
00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:41,600
Speaker 1: the ability kind of retrace his steps to get up

644
00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:43,680
Speaker 1: the field, come back, get in, I'll play. I thought

645
00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:45,640
Speaker 1: he chased the ball well from the backside. I thought

646
00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:47,840
Speaker 1: he was really kind of a reactive guy. And I

647
00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:50,240
Speaker 1: thought he played with some intelligence, you know, when things

648
00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:52,720
Speaker 1: were kind of happening in front of him, the screens

649
00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:54,560
Speaker 1: and things, he was kind of able to kind of

650
00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:57,400
Speaker 1: sniff those things out and then get to the edge

651
00:31:57,680 --> 00:32:00,000
Speaker 1: and then make that happen, you know, get on the outside.

652
00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:03,600
Speaker 1: I said, despite the lack of his weight, he looks

653
00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:05,920
Speaker 1: comfortable playing in the guard. You know you were talking

654
00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:08,480
Speaker 1: about moving guys down inside and letting them play a

655
00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:11,080
Speaker 1: little three technique or rush. Yeah, I saw a guy

656
00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:13,240
Speaker 1: that was able to do that and split double teams

657
00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:15,760
Speaker 1: and stay active and not quit on play. So maybe

658
00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:17,640
Speaker 1: again this is where this is where you look at

659
00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:20,280
Speaker 1: scouts and you know, my you know, my question, what's

660
00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:23,160
Speaker 1: up fifty eight. I gotta get him at fifty eighth. No,

661
00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:25,600
Speaker 1: this to me is this is more, but this is more.

662
00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:27,800
Speaker 1: But I was thinking more of the third round guy,

663
00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:29,600
Speaker 1: third or fourth round guy. I think this is the

664
00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:31,760
Speaker 1: third round player. But I was just saying, if they

665
00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:34,000
Speaker 1: if if you were talking about guys that are six

666
00:32:34,040 --> 00:32:35,760
Speaker 1: to five, what was his weight at the Senior Bowl?

667
00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:38,400
Speaker 1: He was six five and a half, six to fifty.

668
00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:41,640
Speaker 1: Dane's just Danes just got the Senior Bowl measurements just

669
00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:45,040
Speaker 1: right there. And my notes from the way ends unimpressive

670
00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:48,640
Speaker 1: body type, Okay, but there you go. See so that

671
00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:50,160
Speaker 1: I don't know, I mean, I just kind of saw

672
00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:53,040
Speaker 1: a bit different guy. But the Iowa kids a good player.

673
00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:55,760
Speaker 1: I mean that's he is a really really good player.

674
00:32:55,360 --> 00:32:58,920
Speaker 1: Are ye? Are both very thorough? Do you like you

675
00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:01,520
Speaker 1: have to fight against what you're talking about, like you know,

676
00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:03,720
Speaker 1: the first player or maybe the first few players you see,

677
00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:07,000
Speaker 1: you're just like, well, and especially because I know, just

678
00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:10,000
Speaker 1: from my perspective, I watch a lot of college football,

679
00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:11,840
Speaker 1: you know, It's all I do on Saturdays and Sundays.

680
00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:14,240
Speaker 1: Wake up Sunday morning and I watch what I dv

681
00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:17,160
Speaker 1: RT the day before, so I have an initial impression

682
00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:19,760
Speaker 1: of these guys, and then sometimes when you watch the tape,

683
00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:23,280
Speaker 1: it's almost like watching two different games. And so it

684
00:33:23,320 --> 00:33:26,200
Speaker 1: can be tough when you have initial impression from watching

685
00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:28,320
Speaker 1: just the broadcast view, but then you put on the

686
00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:30,719
Speaker 1: tape and it's just a little different. That can be

687
00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:33,880
Speaker 1: something that you're kind of fighting between your initial impression

688
00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:36,960
Speaker 1: and what you come up with later. But you can.

689
00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:39,680
Speaker 1: It's funny because as a scout, you should always watch

690
00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:42,680
Speaker 1: film early, middle late, if you can do it. Yeah,

691
00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:46,160
Speaker 1: just to make sure because some guys will struggle. I mean,

692
00:33:46,280 --> 00:33:47,840
Speaker 1: guys might struggle and then all of a sudden they

693
00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:49,760
Speaker 1: get at the end. Maybe they're picking it up a

694
00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:51,720
Speaker 1: little bit. But you know, as we're I mean, you know,

695
00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:54,080
Speaker 1: we're at the mercy of when the tape comes in, right,

696
00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:57,000
Speaker 1: And so it's just no question, it's no question. A

697
00:33:57,040 --> 00:33:58,720
Speaker 1: little bit of a disadvantage for us and we have

698
00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:01,840
Speaker 1: to kind of weed through everything. But yeah, hey, work,

699
00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:03,880
Speaker 1: get some questions for us on that Twitter of the

700
00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:07,480
Speaker 1: twenty Yeah, yeah, I got some um big you'll like,

701
00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:11,000
Speaker 1: like big big player, a lot of player specific questions.

702
00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:16,160
Speaker 1: Good so Christian Christian, says Jalen Ferguson or Jay Sterton,

703
00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:19,319
Speaker 1: Jay Sternberger at fifty eight, which good one. That's the

704
00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:22,920
Speaker 1: Louisian attech Man. We have got some smart fans Weuisiana,

705
00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:25,160
Speaker 1: tech Pass Rusher and the Texas A and M tight end.

706
00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:28,839
Speaker 1: That sounds reasonable for their arrange to a degree, Yeah,

707
00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:31,000
Speaker 1: it sure does. Would you rather have? And I mean,

708
00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:33,040
Speaker 1: you know you gotta keep their gregory news in mind.

709
00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:34,920
Speaker 1: If you're talking about the Cowboys are well, you can

710
00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:38,319
Speaker 1: answer it objectively too. I don't care, but M that's

711
00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:41,640
Speaker 1: a good one. Ferguson, I'm gonna hang you out on

712
00:34:41,680 --> 00:34:44,440
Speaker 1: that one. I see. I really like Sternberger. I think

713
00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:46,680
Speaker 1: that'd be a really nice fit at that point. I

714
00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:51,160
Speaker 1: have a higher grade on Ferguson. Um, that's tough, though.

715
00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:52,960
Speaker 1: I mean I would have to go Ferguson's high on

716
00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:56,239
Speaker 1: my board. You know what, what would you go with?

717
00:34:56,360 --> 00:34:58,560
Speaker 1: Great you have on Ferguson. Me on Ferguson. I got

718
00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:01,040
Speaker 1: him the second round and I got Durnburger. I got

719
00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:04,120
Speaker 1: Stumburger in the third. So if you if you went

720
00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:08,200
Speaker 1: higher player on your board, Ferguson would make the most.

721
00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:10,880
Speaker 1: Don't window dress your board. I'm not That's what I say.

722
00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:14,839
Speaker 1: I'm not window dressing my board. Ferguson's my guy, might Sturburger,

723
00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:16,680
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, you'd be good to have it. I'm

724
00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:19,560
Speaker 1: I'm out on tight end. I've said that a million times,

725
00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:21,080
Speaker 1: Like whatever did give me that? Why do you think

726
00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:23,799
Speaker 1: he's out on tight ends? Why? Okay, let me ask

727
00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:26,120
Speaker 1: you why you out on tight ends? I don't trust them.

728
00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:29,040
Speaker 1: I don't trust the Cowboys to like to do to

729
00:35:29,080 --> 00:35:30,799
Speaker 1: develop the guy the right way, and they've got a

730
00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:33,160
Speaker 1: bad history of it. It's another kind of coach that

731
00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:36,080
Speaker 1: kind of developed this, Uh the guy you have. Now,

732
00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:39,440
Speaker 1: those those kids, I think Blake Jarwin and Jarwin, Blake

733
00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:41,759
Speaker 1: Jarwin and Dalton Schultz did a great job of coming

734
00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:43,440
Speaker 1: on at the end of the year. They still combined

735
00:35:43,560 --> 00:35:46,879
Speaker 1: for like thirty catches. Like, let's not overdo what they did.

736
00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:50,800
Speaker 1: And why don't you give him swiming coach? That's another question.

737
00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:54,759
Speaker 1: That's another question entirely. Yeah, Uh, what else is like

738
00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:59,160
Speaker 1: it's another position where again, you know it can definitely happen.

739
00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:01,759
Speaker 1: But if you're drafting outs, if you're drafting these guys

740
00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:05,440
Speaker 1: outside like the top forty, you're probably not getting instant production.

741
00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:08,480
Speaker 1: And Dallas Goddard had a pretty hit, a pretty nice

742
00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:10,480
Speaker 1: year for Philly, But like, what did what did he do?

743
00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:14,120
Speaker 1: Like he wasn't well Jason Witten right away? Not even

744
00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:17,200
Speaker 1: Jason Witten was Jason Witten right away. I'm a big goddard.

745
00:36:17,239 --> 00:36:19,600
Speaker 1: I mean, how much of that was earth though? Sure,

746
00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:22,600
Speaker 1: but Goddard is gonna be a big time I mean,

747
00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:25,600
Speaker 1: this is this is a bad I'm okay again, I'm

748
00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:28,439
Speaker 1: being selfish here. I know draft picks are about four years,

749
00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:32,280
Speaker 1: but Steve, I just heard Stephen Jones say six times

750
00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:34,680
Speaker 1: in twenty minutes, take the next step, like this is

751
00:36:34,719 --> 00:36:36,840
Speaker 1: a team, this is a team trying to get to

752
00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:40,799
Speaker 1: the NFC title game, right, absolutely? Okay, Well, and it's

753
00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:45,279
Speaker 1: a bad example because Travis Kelsey's arguably the best tight

754
00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:47,279
Speaker 1: end in football. You know how many passes he called

755
00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:51,000
Speaker 1: his rookie year, like one? Yeah, it is a hard

756
00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:54,120
Speaker 1: position to transition to also a third round pick. So

757
00:36:54,239 --> 00:36:56,680
Speaker 1: if I and again I get it three years from now,

758
00:36:56,719 --> 00:36:58,319
Speaker 1: he might be a beast. But if I'm trying to

759
00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:00,480
Speaker 1: take the next step and not have to fire the

760
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:04,359
Speaker 1: whole coaching staff, let's worry about that later. That's how

761
00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:08,160
Speaker 1: I feel I might be alone in that. Yeah, but

762
00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:11,080
Speaker 1: that's how periscope. They asked though, is that you're tight end?

763
00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:13,400
Speaker 1: Does the scheme require you to have these type of

764
00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:16,000
Speaker 1: tight ends? I think? See, that's another thing we're trying

765
00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:18,440
Speaker 1: to learn about. If we're just if we're just spitballing

766
00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:21,799
Speaker 1: here and just give me bring back Dalton Schultz and

767
00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:24,319
Speaker 1: Blake Jarwin and let's find a way to get Tyler

768
00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:26,759
Speaker 1: Eiffort on this team. And let's go. How about that

769
00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:29,320
Speaker 1: when you're highest rated tight ends you've ever had, huh

770
00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:33,480
Speaker 1: yeah before before just based on draft grade, what you

771
00:37:33,640 --> 00:37:35,840
Speaker 1: hope for the player. Yeah, he had won my highest

772
00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:39,200
Speaker 1: grades as a tight end. Uh, Hawkinson will rival that.

773
00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:42,040
Speaker 1: But yeah, if you told, if you told me I

774
00:37:42,040 --> 00:37:44,879
Speaker 1: could get Hawkinson, then I'm listening. But I can't, so

775
00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:46,720
Speaker 1: I don't even want to hear it. So you don't

776
00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:48,560
Speaker 1: you want nothing to do with the Earth the earth

777
00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:51,680
Speaker 1: Smith or not at any of those guys? Am I? Well,

778
00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:54,960
Speaker 1: would I be? I? Like Nada? I watched him, Yeah,

779
00:37:55,120 --> 00:37:57,719
Speaker 1: I've watched her Like they're good players. That's not my point.

780
00:37:57,800 --> 00:38:00,680
Speaker 1: But again, what are we trying to accomplish in twenty nineteen.

781
00:38:00,680 --> 00:38:02,799
Speaker 1: It'll be interesting they get wiped out, you know, pass

782
00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:06,520
Speaker 1: rushers with defensive tackles, you know, and it's a tight

783
00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:09,640
Speaker 1: ends or the best options available. And if that do that,

784
00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:12,560
Speaker 1: if that's the case, if it's just blatantly obvious that

785
00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:14,719
Speaker 1: a tight end is your best option, then that's what

786
00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:17,800
Speaker 1: you should do. But I'm just not losing sleep thinking

787
00:38:17,840 --> 00:38:20,440
Speaker 1: like they got a draft a tight end. They they

788
00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:22,960
Speaker 1: have to people on periscope agreeing with you? Are they good?

789
00:38:23,080 --> 00:38:25,759
Speaker 1: Thank you? All right? I think he's right there, he goes,

790
00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:30,920
Speaker 1: James Webb, says bo James Stephen Jones said yesterday backup

791
00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:33,160
Speaker 1: running back as a team need in the later rounds.

792
00:38:33,719 --> 00:38:36,440
Speaker 1: Does the fourth round feel too early for you? And

793
00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:39,799
Speaker 1: how would you rank holy Field out of Georgia, Montgomery

794
00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:42,719
Speaker 1: out of Iowa State, and Trevion Williams out of A

795
00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:47,799
Speaker 1: and M. Montgomery would be first feel from listening to y'all,

796
00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:51,760
Speaker 1: I've got a couple of steps above those. I've got Henderson, Williams,

797
00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:54,279
Speaker 1: and Montgomery all in the third round. So if you're

798
00:38:54,280 --> 00:38:56,399
Speaker 1: telling me their fourth round, if they're looking at a guy,

799
00:38:56,560 --> 00:38:58,040
Speaker 1: I think all those guys are gonna be gone in

800
00:38:58,080 --> 00:39:00,879
Speaker 1: the third myself. That's kind of a sweet spot now

801
00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:03,640
Speaker 1: for these teams picking these running backs in the third

802
00:39:03,719 --> 00:39:06,880
Speaker 1: round and people are gonna look at history and say, huh,

803
00:39:07,080 --> 00:39:09,359
Speaker 1: get a guy at sixty seven. Huh, get a guy

804
00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:15,000
Speaker 1: at sixty A ye, exactly exactly. People. People are gonna

805
00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:17,399
Speaker 1: look at that third round and they're gonna say, man,

806
00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:19,840
Speaker 1: there's some cats. There's some good cats at that, you know,

807
00:39:20,120 --> 00:39:22,439
Speaker 1: in that round. So I don't think those guys even

808
00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:24,680
Speaker 1: make it to the fourth. Okay, for the Dallas cowboys sake,

809
00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:31,440
Speaker 1: for the cowboy's sake, say you draft defensive end at

810
00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:34,239
Speaker 1: the fifty eight, you're gonna go running back it you're

811
00:39:34,239 --> 00:39:36,240
Speaker 1: gonna go running back it if one of those guys

812
00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:38,680
Speaker 1: on the board. It No. I'm gonna take Steven Jones

813
00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:41,480
Speaker 1: at his word, and I think he's right, Like you're

814
00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:44,000
Speaker 1: the first the first three picks, well, I know you

815
00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:45,680
Speaker 1: don't have a first round pick, but first three rounds

816
00:39:45,719 --> 00:39:47,680
Speaker 1: we always say those are guys that should start or

817
00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:50,279
Speaker 1: at least play significant roles, and you're backup running back.

818
00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:52,960
Speaker 1: It's not with Zeke on the roster, it's not enough.

819
00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:57,960
Speaker 1: There are some things where I think Steven will kind

820
00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:00,760
Speaker 1: of let his you know, he's not trying a smoke

821
00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:03,719
Speaker 1: screen anybody, like I remember at this time last year

822
00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:06,560
Speaker 1: at the Combine, he had a couple of comments about

823
00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:09,480
Speaker 1: defensive tackle. Yeah, like a whole show talking exactly and

824
00:40:09,600 --> 00:40:11,960
Speaker 1: he didn't sure. I mean, he did not try to

825
00:40:12,040 --> 00:40:14,160
Speaker 1: fool an. We're not drafting a tackle in the first

826
00:40:14,239 --> 00:40:16,279
Speaker 1: round if he can't rush the passer. Yeah, that's how

827
00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:18,359
Speaker 1: I feel about running back in the first two days

828
00:40:18,440 --> 00:40:21,080
Speaker 1: for this team. I just that's the vibe I got

829
00:40:21,080 --> 00:40:23,239
Speaker 1: from Steven, and I don't think it's happening Love. How

830
00:40:23,239 --> 00:40:25,560
Speaker 1: about how about how about Bryce Love? I wrote about

831
00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:28,080
Speaker 1: happening the third No no, no, no, no, no no no.

832
00:40:28,560 --> 00:40:31,160
Speaker 1: But could this Could you see this team just taking

833
00:40:31,239 --> 00:40:33,479
Speaker 1: Bryce Love and going with what they have right now?

834
00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:37,040
Speaker 1: I'm torn between thinking Stanford Bryce Love. Sorry, folks out there,

835
00:40:37,080 --> 00:40:39,879
Speaker 1: I'm torn between being intrigued by the upside, Like I mean,

836
00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:41,680
Speaker 1: I don't want to compare him to Jalen Smith, but

837
00:40:41,719 --> 00:40:43,560
Speaker 1: a similar situation where he could be a really good

838
00:40:43,560 --> 00:40:46,000
Speaker 1: player once he gets healthy. How about with questions of

839
00:40:46,040 --> 00:40:49,359
Speaker 1: contract with Zeke coming up, I don't know the way

840
00:40:49,400 --> 00:40:51,680
Speaker 1: Stephen was talking. He made it sound like, Okay, yeah,

841
00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:53,680
Speaker 1: of course we're gonna pay Zeke, Okay, but it wasn't

842
00:40:54,120 --> 00:40:56,040
Speaker 1: mints and Wargen's about that either. But would you would

843
00:40:56,040 --> 00:40:58,120
Speaker 1: you go ahead and would you be comfortable at say

844
00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:02,360
Speaker 1: fifth round too early to take? I'm torn between the

845
00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:07,279
Speaker 1: take Bryce Love, I'm there the potential verse again go

846
00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:09,080
Speaker 1: back to my tight end point, like he can't help

847
00:41:09,120 --> 00:41:11,680
Speaker 1: you in twenty nineteen? Would you take him? With the

848
00:41:12,680 --> 00:41:18,279
Speaker 1: story fourmber come back? All right? Adrian Peterson can do that.

849
00:41:18,360 --> 00:41:20,680
Speaker 1: I don't know put that on a rookie, I think

850
00:41:20,680 --> 00:41:22,600
Speaker 1: with his running backs, I just I feel so good

851
00:41:22,600 --> 00:41:24,840
Speaker 1: about getting a running back later on that I'm not

852
00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:26,959
Speaker 1: gonna if the right ones there in the fourth round

853
00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:31,520
Speaker 1: and late fourth I should Snell Kentucky Benny Snell. He's

854
00:41:31,840 --> 00:41:33,200
Speaker 1: I don't know. I think he's too much like what

855
00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:35,760
Speaker 1: you have with Zeke. You know, he's a he's a pounder,

856
00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:37,680
Speaker 1: like he's a guy that's gonna take abuse and keep

857
00:41:37,719 --> 00:41:41,080
Speaker 1: them coming back. You know, think about some of the

858
00:41:41,120 --> 00:41:43,080
Speaker 1: other tight ends they've looked at in the past, like

859
00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:46,200
Speaker 1: Edo Smith or Nahem Hines or you know guys that

860
00:41:46,239 --> 00:41:48,919
Speaker 1: can maybe do a little bit different things than than Zeke.

861
00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:51,920
Speaker 1: So in this group, you know, would they look at

862
00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:56,000
Speaker 1: a guy like Justice Hill from Oklahoma State? Study him

863
00:41:56,040 --> 00:41:58,799
Speaker 1: you know Jalen Moore from app State. Okay, okay, if

864
00:41:58,840 --> 00:42:01,320
Speaker 1: the two guys should just name thumbnail me a scouting

865
00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:02,799
Speaker 1: report on the guys and which one would be a

866
00:42:02,840 --> 00:42:04,960
Speaker 1: better fit for what you're trying to do. Justice Hill

867
00:42:05,080 --> 00:42:08,040
Speaker 1: is a really productive at Oklahoma State. I mean he

868
00:42:08,160 --> 00:42:10,319
Speaker 1: played an offense where he was giving them some big holes.

869
00:42:10,360 --> 00:42:13,560
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, but he's elusive. You know, he can make

870
00:42:13,680 --> 00:42:15,920
Speaker 1: guys miss. I hate to put you on spot comparison,

871
00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:19,160
Speaker 1: kype of guy. I don't know. I mean, he's I

872
00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:21,160
Speaker 1: hate when people do that to me. I'm sorry about that.

873
00:42:21,239 --> 00:42:22,960
Speaker 1: He came in one hundred ninety eight pounds and that's

874
00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:25,640
Speaker 1: a big thing is he's a little underweight, but he's

875
00:42:25,640 --> 00:42:28,239
Speaker 1: so shifty and he can make guys miss. He needs

876
00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:30,560
Speaker 1: to prove himself here at the combine in terms of

877
00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:33,680
Speaker 1: catching the football. Um, and just you know, being a

878
00:42:33,719 --> 00:42:35,759
Speaker 1: guy that you can rely on being more than just

879
00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:38,600
Speaker 1: running through huge, gaping holes. Um, And we'll see if

880
00:42:38,600 --> 00:42:41,279
Speaker 1: you can do that. Steven didn't tell me anything specifically,

881
00:42:41,320 --> 00:42:44,839
Speaker 1: but I just feel like starting on day three, all

882
00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:46,520
Speaker 1: bets are off, Like I think they would do it

883
00:42:46,560 --> 00:42:48,560
Speaker 1: in the fourth. I think they could wait seventh. It

884
00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:50,359
Speaker 1: just depends to have some fun in the draft when

885
00:42:50,360 --> 00:42:52,160
Speaker 1: there's a value match up with the guy that's on

886
00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:54,600
Speaker 1: the board the periscope they like, they like the Memphis

887
00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:56,960
Speaker 1: running back by the way. Sure you can't take him

888
00:42:56,960 --> 00:42:59,360
Speaker 1: in the top one hundred though, I mean, I know

889
00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:01,160
Speaker 1: that's what I'm saying, and I think you're in a

890
00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:05,880
Speaker 1: half to Yeah. No, thank you, no, yeah, thank you, sorry,

891
00:43:06,480 --> 00:43:09,080
Speaker 1: Stephen said. Stephen Jones was like, yeah, well, Gurley and

892
00:43:09,160 --> 00:43:11,600
Speaker 1: Todd Gurley is the jumping off point for Zeke's next contract.

893
00:43:11,680 --> 00:43:14,839
Speaker 1: Like he volunteered that, nobody asked him about it. So

894
00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:18,000
Speaker 1: when I hear that, I'm like, all right, well, Zeke's

895
00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:20,520
Speaker 1: gonna be here for like six more years, so I'm

896
00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:22,399
Speaker 1: not worried about and drafting a guy in the top

897
00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:25,800
Speaker 1: one hundred to be an expensive backfield. Yeah seriously, um,

898
00:43:25,840 --> 00:43:30,279
Speaker 1: Dominic White slot receiver question, who would you rather have

899
00:43:30,560 --> 00:43:34,960
Speaker 1: with your third round pick? Toledo's Deonte Johnson. I like him,

900
00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:38,040
Speaker 1: by the way, Penny hart our guy from George Georgia's

901
00:43:38,040 --> 00:43:42,040
Speaker 1: I can never remember, so uh. And then speaking of Georgia,

902
00:43:42,120 --> 00:43:47,680
Speaker 1: Mikole Hardman, the Georgia receiver number four. Hartman is that

903
00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:50,320
Speaker 1: is that the right range for all these guys. Probably

904
00:43:50,440 --> 00:43:53,600
Speaker 1: I got Hardman. Yeah, Hardman, I got those two and

905
00:43:53,840 --> 00:43:55,400
Speaker 1: all three of these guys. You probably gotta take it

906
00:43:55,560 --> 00:43:59,360
Speaker 1: ninety one. Yeah, okay, Yeah, I didn't like I I

907
00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:02,720
Speaker 1: you know, I didn't like Nicole Hardman that much. I'm sorry.

908
00:44:02,840 --> 00:44:05,880
Speaker 1: I know he seems like he's garnering interest, like he

909
00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:09,719
Speaker 1: just a special athlete. He's oh, he's incredibly fast. But

910
00:44:10,239 --> 00:44:13,359
Speaker 1: and I don't I didn't watch freaking two seasons worth

911
00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:15,719
Speaker 1: of tape. I'm sorry, I'm not Dane. Yeah, I know.

912
00:44:16,120 --> 00:44:18,080
Speaker 1: I asked him the same questions, like, what's the point?

913
00:44:18,360 --> 00:44:20,840
Speaker 1: What what did you okay on the little study that

914
00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:22,840
Speaker 1: you did on him? What did you not like on

915
00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:25,520
Speaker 1: him about a very very limited route tree from what

916
00:44:25,560 --> 00:44:27,320
Speaker 1: I saw? What did you like about him? He's a

917
00:44:27,360 --> 00:44:29,719
Speaker 1: special athlete, give me, give me the special athletes and

918
00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:32,359
Speaker 1: all you know, with the most out of him, it's

919
00:44:32,360 --> 00:44:35,040
Speaker 1: just he But can you live with being a special

920
00:44:35,080 --> 00:44:38,520
Speaker 1: athlete without having the routes? Tavon Austin's a special athlete. Yeah,

921
00:44:38,719 --> 00:44:40,359
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna say on the stage of not bringing

922
00:44:40,440 --> 00:44:42,520
Speaker 1: him back. I don't think that we didn't talk. We

923
00:44:42,560 --> 00:44:44,839
Speaker 1: haven't talked about him at all. They sound like they're

924
00:44:44,920 --> 00:44:47,279
Speaker 1: kind of I'm not gonna say on this table and

925
00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:49,480
Speaker 1: go for Micole Hartman. I mean, I like him, but

926
00:44:49,560 --> 00:44:52,720
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna like you know, all those three wide receivers.

927
00:44:52,719 --> 00:44:54,640
Speaker 1: Who are you gonna stand on the table four? I

928
00:44:54,680 --> 00:44:56,279
Speaker 1: don't think i'd stand on the table for any of them.

929
00:44:56,320 --> 00:45:00,680
Speaker 1: No, no no, no, no no. If you just had Penny Hart.

930
00:45:00,760 --> 00:45:02,960
Speaker 1: I haven't watched the Toledo Kid, but I like Penny Hart.

931
00:45:03,040 --> 00:45:05,759
Speaker 1: I like that Toledo kid a lot. Yeah, I like

932
00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:10,399
Speaker 1: him too, And he's gonna special team's ability. U. Penny

933
00:45:10,440 --> 00:45:11,800
Speaker 1: Hart's gonna be kind of out of sight, out of

934
00:45:11,840 --> 00:45:14,000
Speaker 1: mind because he is not here in Indianapolis. The biggest

935
00:45:14,040 --> 00:45:16,919
Speaker 1: snub good Year. Good keep it that way. Yeah, maybe

936
00:45:16,920 --> 00:45:19,880
Speaker 1: it pushes him down around. But mcole Hardman is just

937
00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:23,040
Speaker 1: he's I don't know, when we watched Dante Johnson together, Yeah,

938
00:45:23,080 --> 00:45:25,279
Speaker 1: I don't know. I liked him. He's just he's out

939
00:45:25,280 --> 00:45:28,040
Speaker 1: of control a lot um. But he's a he's a

940
00:45:28,080 --> 00:45:30,200
Speaker 1: big time athlete. He's a quarterback in high school. Just

941
00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:33,239
Speaker 1: there's nothing about his route running at all. You're talking about,

942
00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:35,720
Speaker 1: you know, and and and this is this is totally

943
00:45:35,800 --> 00:45:38,400
Speaker 1: unfair because I'm just thinking they went to the same school.

944
00:45:38,440 --> 00:45:40,400
Speaker 1: But who's the who's the receiver that came out of

945
00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:41,920
Speaker 1: Georgia a year or two ago, who was like a

946
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:46,480
Speaker 1: kick return phenomen Mackenzie isah, McKenzie, Yeah, that's I went

947
00:45:46,520 --> 00:45:49,920
Speaker 1: to Denver. Yeah, that's he's fast. He's just he's just

948
00:45:49,960 --> 00:45:52,799
Speaker 1: throwing these kids. He's all together. You're just fast as hell,

949
00:45:52,880 --> 00:45:55,359
Speaker 1: like and and that's awesome, But like, what else can

950
00:45:55,400 --> 00:45:57,160
Speaker 1: you do? What else you got? People are asking about

951
00:45:57,200 --> 00:46:03,319
Speaker 1: Mitchell from Oregon, Dylan Mitchell, Yeah, Nelson ag Yeah, carbon copy. Um,

952
00:46:03,400 --> 00:46:06,719
Speaker 1: you know, I I like Mitchell. He's a like I said,

953
00:46:06,719 --> 00:46:09,839
Speaker 1: he's he's Agalore where you know, you see speed, you

954
00:46:09,880 --> 00:46:12,680
Speaker 1: see uh, you know, ability to be a vertical threat.

955
00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:17,000
Speaker 1: I don't know drops were an issue. Focus was an issue. Uh,

956
00:46:17,160 --> 00:46:20,759
Speaker 1: not very nuanced with with the routes. Um. I think

957
00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:22,840
Speaker 1: he's a row just a very raw player like he was.

958
00:46:23,040 --> 00:46:25,200
Speaker 1: He was a bigger basketball recruit than he was in

959
00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:28,440
Speaker 1: football in high school. Uh. And so I think he's

960
00:46:28,440 --> 00:46:30,799
Speaker 1: still learning in football. I think he's still working on

961
00:46:30,840 --> 00:46:33,040
Speaker 1: his confidence. He's still like, I think he's gonna be

962
00:46:33,120 --> 00:46:35,479
Speaker 1: have a route awakening when he gets the nfl um

963
00:46:35,480 --> 00:46:38,400
Speaker 1: and just in terms of you know, having what it's

964
00:46:38,480 --> 00:46:40,480
Speaker 1: what it's gonna take to be a pro. And so

965
00:46:41,040 --> 00:46:42,840
Speaker 1: that gives me a little bit of pause with Dylan Mitchell.

966
00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:45,640
Speaker 1: But I like him, you know, not like that much

967
00:46:45,640 --> 00:46:47,719
Speaker 1: more than in any of these other guys. Um. I

968
00:46:47,760 --> 00:46:49,720
Speaker 1: think he's right there in that mix though, with Hardman

969
00:46:49,840 --> 00:46:51,960
Speaker 1: and Johnson, and they're right there in that late third,

970
00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:55,200
Speaker 1: early fourth. Who's the receiver that nobody's talking about. Nobody's

971
00:46:55,200 --> 00:46:58,000
Speaker 1: given any love to that. At the end of the day,

972
00:46:58,040 --> 00:47:00,520
Speaker 1: we're gonna go, okay, and you're gonna said, I told

973
00:47:00,520 --> 00:47:02,560
Speaker 1: you so, I told you. Is there a guy that

974
00:47:02,640 --> 00:47:06,560
Speaker 1: you have that that nobody's you know, nobody's really all right,

975
00:47:06,560 --> 00:47:09,920
Speaker 1: here's a guy, Darius Slayton from Auburn. There we go.

976
00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:11,880
Speaker 1: I knew I could get you to say, Darius Slayton,

977
00:47:11,960 --> 00:47:16,000
Speaker 1: he's I tell you what. First time I first time

978
00:47:16,000 --> 00:47:18,600
Speaker 1: I watched him, I wasn't impressed. No, yeah, you admitted it.

979
00:47:18,680 --> 00:47:21,120
Speaker 1: Went back and we watched him again and yeah, he's

980
00:47:21,160 --> 00:47:24,280
Speaker 1: a good player and he's gonna have some drops, and

981
00:47:25,440 --> 00:47:27,920
Speaker 1: you know, I thought it was interesting. Um, I think

982
00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:30,839
Speaker 1: it's Frank Wright, the Colt's head coach. Yeah, he talked

983
00:47:30,840 --> 00:47:33,240
Speaker 1: about this today during this press are talking about how

984
00:47:34,120 --> 00:47:36,560
Speaker 1: you can don't get too hung up on the negatives,

985
00:47:36,840 --> 00:47:38,680
Speaker 1: right with a with a player, you know, like you

986
00:47:38,719 --> 00:47:40,600
Speaker 1: can live with a few bad drops. Tell me about

987
00:47:40,600 --> 00:47:43,600
Speaker 1: the impact plays, yeah, you know, And so consistency might

988
00:47:43,640 --> 00:47:45,880
Speaker 1: be an issue. He might have some drops, but this

989
00:47:45,960 --> 00:47:48,359
Speaker 1: dude can. He's six two, one hundred ninety pounds and

990
00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:51,560
Speaker 1: he can run and three eight is legitimate. You talk

991
00:47:51,600 --> 00:47:54,280
Speaker 1: about guys trying to take angles on him, he's running

992
00:47:54,280 --> 00:47:56,760
Speaker 1: through it. And I watched quality games old miss Texas

993
00:47:56,800 --> 00:48:00,560
Speaker 1: in Mississippi State, people that can legitimately play defense, especially

994
00:48:00,560 --> 00:48:03,520
Speaker 1: in Mississippi State with all their guys, And I mean

995
00:48:03,640 --> 00:48:06,279
Speaker 1: he he embarrassed some guys with the way he Remember

996
00:48:06,320 --> 00:48:09,880
Speaker 1: Sammy Coachs from Auburn. Yeah, he's like Sammy Coachs except better.

997
00:48:09,920 --> 00:48:12,920
Speaker 1: I mean he's like actually shows the ability to run

998
00:48:12,960 --> 00:48:14,759
Speaker 1: some routes. He can. When you said that, I was like,

999
00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:17,799
Speaker 1: I don't know if I love that. So he mean

1000
00:48:17,880 --> 00:48:20,560
Speaker 1: he can on comebacks, he can create after the catch. Yeah,

1001
00:48:20,640 --> 00:48:22,200
Speaker 1: he's got a little bit of yack to him. Oh

1002
00:48:22,239 --> 00:48:24,240
Speaker 1: he can drive him those guys me when his routes

1003
00:48:24,400 --> 00:48:26,319
Speaker 1: he drives guys off the ball, and you could see

1004
00:48:26,320 --> 00:48:28,840
Speaker 1: the people are nervous about playing him when when we

1005
00:48:28,880 --> 00:48:31,800
Speaker 1: get done with this week, Darius Slayton, you heard it

1006
00:48:31,880 --> 00:48:35,359
Speaker 1: first year. A lot more about Darius Slayton because he's

1007
00:48:35,360 --> 00:48:37,840
Speaker 1: gonna run really well and he's just a big time athlete.

1008
00:48:37,920 --> 00:48:40,080
Speaker 1: Won't chock me at all when he goes top one hundred.

1009
00:48:40,320 --> 00:48:42,560
Speaker 1: He's not under the radar because he played at one

1010
00:48:42,600 --> 00:48:45,840
Speaker 1: of the biggest programs. And well, I'm yes, Darius Slayton.

1011
00:48:46,280 --> 00:48:49,080
Speaker 1: But the guy I'm not to mention. You see the

1012
00:48:49,160 --> 00:48:52,239
Speaker 1: name like nobody like I feel like nobody talks about

1013
00:48:52,320 --> 00:48:55,560
Speaker 1: Paris Campbell and choosing not to go to the Senior

1014
00:48:55,560 --> 00:48:58,600
Speaker 1: Bowl as a reason. But he's he's another guy who's

1015
00:48:58,600 --> 00:49:01,600
Speaker 1: gonna blow up this way. That's like I'm gonna not

1016
00:49:01,760 --> 00:49:05,360
Speaker 1: I mean, I hesitate very hard to compare him to

1017
00:49:05,440 --> 00:49:07,440
Speaker 1: Mike Thomas coming out of Ohio State, but like, that's

1018
00:49:07,440 --> 00:49:11,080
Speaker 1: a guy I could see getting drafted low and being

1019
00:49:11,080 --> 00:49:13,319
Speaker 1: like way better than his draft stock indicates. Yeah, I

1020
00:49:13,320 --> 00:49:15,319
Speaker 1: mean there's a big difference between him and No. I'm

1021
00:49:15,360 --> 00:49:18,040
Speaker 1: not trying to compare their abilities their tape, just in

1022
00:49:18,160 --> 00:49:20,279
Speaker 1: terms of like you're like, why did this guy get

1023
00:49:20,360 --> 00:49:24,600
Speaker 1: drafted seventy The thing with Campbell is he just everything

1024
00:49:24,719 --> 00:49:26,800
Speaker 1: is he was he was like a gadget guy basically,

1025
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:29,000
Speaker 1: you know, like he was the he was the Percy

1026
00:49:29,080 --> 00:49:32,560
Speaker 1: Harvin in Urban Meyer's offense this year. You know what,

1027
00:49:33,360 --> 00:49:37,640
Speaker 1: Percy Harv is pretty damn good play than the player.

1028
00:49:37,960 --> 00:49:40,080
Speaker 1: But he you know, where's a lot of like he

1029
00:49:40,120 --> 00:49:42,160
Speaker 1: had this year. I think he had like three catches

1030
00:49:42,280 --> 00:49:47,000
Speaker 1: of forty plus yards, but they were like screens and

1031
00:49:47,120 --> 00:49:49,759
Speaker 1: dump offs and like he doesn't run downfield routes and

1032
00:49:49,800 --> 00:49:52,080
Speaker 1: so it's just he improves his hands this year in

1033
00:49:52,160 --> 00:49:55,080
Speaker 1: terms of his catch rate, but I have he's just

1034
00:49:55,080 --> 00:49:57,600
Speaker 1: so unproven as a route runner. I just but he's

1035
00:49:57,600 --> 00:50:00,720
Speaker 1: a big time athlete. He's gonna run really well. Um,

1036
00:50:00,880 --> 00:50:03,840
Speaker 1: the verts, the broad that's going to be ridiculous. So

1037
00:50:04,200 --> 00:50:06,719
Speaker 1: big time athlete, No question. I could push him up

1038
00:50:06,719 --> 00:50:08,960
Speaker 1: into the top forty, top fifty because he's going to

1039
00:50:09,040 --> 00:50:12,680
Speaker 1: test off the charts. You know. Jalen Herd from Baylor's

1040
00:50:12,800 --> 00:50:15,000
Speaker 1: not working out in this Comboy, which is at the

1041
00:50:15,040 --> 00:50:17,840
Speaker 1: Senior Bowl. He said, one hundred percent absolutely work Exactly

1042
00:50:17,880 --> 00:50:19,719
Speaker 1: what do you think set back there? We'll have to

1043
00:50:19,760 --> 00:50:22,399
Speaker 1: find out a knee injury for his Bowl game, right, Yeah,

1044
00:50:22,560 --> 00:50:25,560
Speaker 1: it's just a minor thing. Had to but I will

1045
00:50:25,600 --> 00:50:28,719
Speaker 1: say this, Yeah, he's a good player though. Uh do

1046
00:50:28,719 --> 00:50:31,000
Speaker 1: you know who? Do you know who did this surgery? No?

1047
00:50:31,080 --> 00:50:35,600
Speaker 1: I do not Cowboys doctor Cooper? Okay, who back next week?

1048
00:50:36,719 --> 00:50:39,840
Speaker 1: Doctor Cooper's really Dane with the tidbit third or fourth

1049
00:50:40,080 --> 00:50:46,680
Speaker 1: US circle? Uh? Okay, this is Jalen tape? Like this

1050
00:50:46,800 --> 00:50:49,439
Speaker 1: tape is really good? What he was a slot receiver? Yes,

1051
00:50:49,800 --> 00:50:52,640
Speaker 1: he's a slot receiver who looks like a running back

1052
00:50:52,680 --> 00:50:56,000
Speaker 1: once he gets the ball in his hands, because running

1053
00:50:56,000 --> 00:50:58,640
Speaker 1: back absolutely fun to watch. I'm a fan. Got another

1054
00:50:58,719 --> 00:51:02,000
Speaker 1: question there, this is This is a self these questions,

1055
00:51:02,000 --> 00:51:05,560
Speaker 1: don't we this is self serving? I mean, I don't

1056
00:51:05,680 --> 00:51:08,240
Speaker 1: we don't need to answer it, but like this drives

1057
00:51:08,239 --> 00:51:11,520
Speaker 1: me crazy every year. I'm sure y'all can agree. Ryan,

1058
00:51:11,760 --> 00:51:14,839
Speaker 1: no offense, Ryan sorry, says how much draft capital would

1059
00:51:14,880 --> 00:51:16,680
Speaker 1: it take to go up from fifty eight to get

1060
00:51:16,760 --> 00:51:20,480
Speaker 1: Hackinson or the other tight end? Would it help to

1061
00:51:20,640 --> 00:51:22,759
Speaker 1: throw Jordan Lewis in on the deal? And I just

1062
00:51:22,880 --> 00:51:24,640
Speaker 1: like every year, I feel like people don't have a

1063
00:51:24,680 --> 00:51:28,080
Speaker 1: good grasp on what trading up in the draft entails

1064
00:51:28,080 --> 00:51:30,640
Speaker 1: because what we did the math. The charts changed from

1065
00:51:30,680 --> 00:51:32,439
Speaker 1: year to year, but we did the math. We could

1066
00:51:32,480 --> 00:51:36,480
Speaker 1: get to forty one, fifty eight and ninety one, could

1067
00:51:36,520 --> 00:51:40,360
Speaker 1: get you to could get you maybe twelve spots, thirteen spots.

1068
00:51:40,719 --> 00:51:43,680
Speaker 1: In twenty fourteen, they went from forty seven to thirty

1069
00:51:43,680 --> 00:51:46,799
Speaker 1: four by using their second and third round pick. Right,

1070
00:51:47,000 --> 00:51:50,200
Speaker 1: So you're talking a dozen spots, maybe a little more,

1071
00:51:50,280 --> 00:51:52,319
Speaker 1: maybe a little less, depending on the team you're dealing with.

1072
00:51:52,680 --> 00:51:55,120
Speaker 1: If you want to go into the first round, it's

1073
00:51:55,160 --> 00:51:58,000
Speaker 1: going to cost you your next first round pick, almost

1074
00:51:58,000 --> 00:52:01,719
Speaker 1: certainly because minimal Jordan Lewis, I mean Jordan Lewis, he's

1075
00:52:01,719 --> 00:52:03,480
Speaker 1: a good player. I'd like to see him play a

1076
00:52:03,480 --> 00:52:06,360
Speaker 1: little bit more. Once you get drafted, your value like

1077
00:52:06,360 --> 00:52:08,120
Speaker 1: it's like driving a car off the lot. Right, Like

1078
00:52:08,160 --> 00:52:10,640
Speaker 1: he was a third round pick. He's not worth remotely

1079
00:52:10,719 --> 00:52:13,120
Speaker 1: that once he gets drafted. It's kind of dumb, but

1080
00:52:13,160 --> 00:52:15,600
Speaker 1: that's just the way it works. I appreciate people trying

1081
00:52:15,640 --> 00:52:17,880
Speaker 1: to go out the box center thing. Love that stuff.

1082
00:52:17,880 --> 00:52:22,080
Speaker 1: What Dan, where do you think Hockinson goes like top fifteen? Right? Probably?

1083
00:52:22,360 --> 00:52:23,839
Speaker 1: You know, it's just you know, tight ends are weird

1084
00:52:23,840 --> 00:52:26,480
Speaker 1: because there's only so many that need a tight end.

1085
00:52:26,560 --> 00:52:29,480
Speaker 1: This guy's get the Lions. I think this guy's rare

1086
00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:33,919
Speaker 1: can take him at eight, I mean the possibly at ten.

1087
00:52:34,160 --> 00:52:36,800
Speaker 1: That that like you know how you feel about Joey Harrington,

1088
00:52:37,040 --> 00:52:41,040
Speaker 1: Like Lions fans, coaches, scouts just must drop their head

1089
00:52:41,040 --> 00:52:43,919
Speaker 1: when they hear that name. Yeah. But my main point

1090
00:52:43,960 --> 00:52:45,640
Speaker 1: being if okay, if you got to get up to

1091
00:52:45,680 --> 00:52:50,120
Speaker 1: eight to get Hackinson, like what is what? What could

1092
00:52:50,120 --> 00:52:51,640
Speaker 1: you even give up? Like you'd have to give up

1093
00:52:51,719 --> 00:52:54,359
Speaker 1: so much? Yeah, he's like trained for a quarterback. Yeah

1094
00:52:54,440 --> 00:52:56,200
Speaker 1: he's going to Yeah, in which that doesn't make sense.

1095
00:52:56,239 --> 00:52:58,520
Speaker 1: He's going he's gonna go somewhere top twenty five. It's

1096
00:52:58,560 --> 00:53:00,600
Speaker 1: just it could be as high as say eight, or

1097
00:53:01,120 --> 00:53:03,480
Speaker 1: he could still slip to say twenty four. Like I

1098
00:53:03,480 --> 00:53:05,680
Speaker 1: think the Raiders would be all over him at twenty four. See,

1099
00:53:05,719 --> 00:53:08,000
Speaker 1: that's what I think. Which that would be interesting to

1100
00:53:08,080 --> 00:53:11,360
Speaker 1: me if that's where your scenario, we're training for training

1101
00:53:11,360 --> 00:53:14,320
Speaker 1: for Hawks something. I think that's the earliest, the earliest

1102
00:53:14,320 --> 00:53:16,040
Speaker 1: you could try to do that type of yea, And

1103
00:53:16,080 --> 00:53:17,640
Speaker 1: if you were going to do it, you're getting rid

1104
00:53:17,680 --> 00:53:19,600
Speaker 1: of next year's one. Yeah, No, you're getting rid of

1105
00:53:19,640 --> 00:53:22,360
Speaker 1: next year's one and fifty eight to draft this player,

1106
00:53:22,440 --> 00:53:25,680
Speaker 1: maybe more, depending again, depending on the team. Poor Raiders

1107
00:53:25,640 --> 00:53:28,719
Speaker 1: say they don't play the chart real, well, we just

1108
00:53:28,800 --> 00:53:32,680
Speaker 1: throw shade at the Raiders all day. On the open market,

1109
00:53:32,680 --> 00:53:37,000
Speaker 1: what would Jordan lewis thinking? Get? You think sixth? I

1110
00:53:37,120 --> 00:53:40,640
Speaker 1: think at best? Yeah, But I mean I like him,

1111
00:53:40,719 --> 00:53:42,879
Speaker 1: but what has he done to prove to another team

1112
00:53:42,920 --> 00:53:45,960
Speaker 1: that he's worth something valuable? Yeah? That's I mean, if

1113
00:53:45,960 --> 00:53:48,000
Speaker 1: you want to trade Zeke, we could maybe talk about

1114
00:53:48,000 --> 00:53:50,640
Speaker 1: getting some Yeah, but we're not doing that. That's crazy.

1115
00:53:50,880 --> 00:53:53,200
Speaker 1: Who could you get the most four if you traded

1116
00:53:53,280 --> 00:53:56,480
Speaker 1: that player on this team? On this team? Who who

1117
00:53:56,520 --> 00:54:00,160
Speaker 1: could you get? Who could get quarterback? Runner for the

1118
00:54:01,280 --> 00:54:05,080
Speaker 1: desperate team? It's gotta be a quarterback. Huh oh oh.

1119
00:54:05,280 --> 00:54:08,640
Speaker 1: Zack Martin's a good answer. Yeah, Zach, he's still young,

1120
00:54:08,719 --> 00:54:11,480
Speaker 1: he's got I think, yeah, Zeke, he just signed a

1121
00:54:11,480 --> 00:54:15,120
Speaker 1: new deal, Zeke, Zach or maybe, I mean, I don't know.

1122
00:54:15,160 --> 00:54:17,319
Speaker 1: You could probably get something pretty nice for Layton vander

1123
00:54:17,440 --> 00:54:19,719
Speaker 1: Esh he's freaking twenty two. He's got four years left

1124
00:54:19,719 --> 00:54:21,799
Speaker 1: on his deal. That's true. Yeah, Because and I don't

1125
00:54:21,800 --> 00:54:24,800
Speaker 1: think there's a linebacker as good as Layton vanders in

1126
00:54:24,880 --> 00:54:30,520
Speaker 1: this round. This is but yeah, exactly, yeah, yeah, one

1127
00:54:30,520 --> 00:54:32,200
Speaker 1: of probably one of those three or mate, you know,

1128
00:54:32,640 --> 00:54:36,960
Speaker 1: once he signed back, I'm fascinated by that. I don't know,

1129
00:54:37,120 --> 00:54:40,440
Speaker 1: I don't, I don't and it's so polarizing, Like you know,

1130
00:54:41,120 --> 00:54:43,319
Speaker 1: it would take the right team that was desperate enough,

1131
00:54:43,440 --> 00:54:46,640
Speaker 1: and just I'm sure you could get something nice for

1132
00:54:46,719 --> 00:54:49,440
Speaker 1: him from the right team. Yeah, or and hey, after

1133
00:54:49,440 --> 00:54:52,040
Speaker 1: watching what the Bears gave to Oakland for Mac, I

1134
00:54:52,040 --> 00:54:53,960
Speaker 1: think you could probably do something nice with the Marcus

1135
00:54:54,040 --> 00:54:57,440
Speaker 1: Lawrence also true. Now we're just gonna invite a million

1136
00:54:57,480 --> 00:54:59,279
Speaker 1: people into like, well, what if we do this? What

1137
00:54:59,400 --> 00:55:01,120
Speaker 1: if we get rid of our best player? And how

1138
00:55:01,120 --> 00:55:05,279
Speaker 1: many picks get though? No, it's it's it's fun. I

1139
00:55:05,320 --> 00:55:08,560
Speaker 1: get it, But I don't think it's practical. I don't think. Again,

1140
00:55:08,920 --> 00:55:10,480
Speaker 1: if this team's trying to take the next step, why

1141
00:55:10,520 --> 00:55:11,920
Speaker 1: are you trying to get rid of your best players?

1142
00:55:12,680 --> 00:55:15,600
Speaker 1: The best thing you learned from from the last two

1143
00:55:15,680 --> 00:55:19,600
Speaker 1: days of something you did assume something you didn't know

1144
00:55:19,840 --> 00:55:23,560
Speaker 1: from Steven Jones, and something and something you didn't know

1145
00:55:23,719 --> 00:55:27,520
Speaker 1: from Jason Garrett. Did not know that Randy Gregory was

1146
00:55:27,520 --> 00:55:31,840
Speaker 1: gonna get suspended. No, we um. They they knew Zeke,

1147
00:55:32,000 --> 00:55:35,680
Speaker 1: they knew they knew Stephen Jones being so forthcoming about

1148
00:55:36,200 --> 00:55:38,000
Speaker 1: He's like, you know, we're gonna give Zeke Gurly money,

1149
00:55:38,040 --> 00:55:40,279
Speaker 1: like he said, and his direct quote was something like,

1150
00:55:40,320 --> 00:55:43,399
Speaker 1: you know, we've already budgeted to pay Zeke that deal.

1151
00:55:43,480 --> 00:55:45,560
Speaker 1: Like again, it would be one thing to say, like

1152
00:55:46,040 --> 00:55:47,959
Speaker 1: we think the world of Zeke and of course we'd

1153
00:55:47,960 --> 00:55:51,120
Speaker 1: like to get something done, like very noncommittal, very complimentary,

1154
00:55:51,120 --> 00:55:53,840
Speaker 1: but very noncommittal. Like he was pretty committal. He's like,

1155
00:55:53,840 --> 00:55:57,720
Speaker 1: we've budgeted for this. Girl's the benchmark will make it happen.

1156
00:55:57,960 --> 00:56:01,480
Speaker 1: I was like, okay, I didn't know that, um, And

1157
00:56:01,520 --> 00:56:03,600
Speaker 1: you know, you know him talking about you know, he's

1158
00:56:04,000 --> 00:56:06,840
Speaker 1: identifying defensive line as a draft need and that was

1159
00:56:06,880 --> 00:56:10,800
Speaker 1: before we knew about Randy Gregory, so that makes sense. Uh.

1160
00:56:10,840 --> 00:56:12,680
Speaker 1: Safety was when it just came right off the top

1161
00:56:12,719 --> 00:56:16,400
Speaker 1: of safety too. Yeah, he seemed very optimistic about Cole Beasley.

1162
00:56:16,680 --> 00:56:21,600
Speaker 1: And then actually that's the Okay, you remember, before we

1163
00:56:21,640 --> 00:56:23,759
Speaker 1: came to the combine, I saw, you know, you can

1164
00:56:23,840 --> 00:56:26,600
Speaker 1: kind of get an inkling for what they're thinking. And

1165
00:56:26,680 --> 00:56:29,120
Speaker 1: I brought up the example of like two years ago

1166
00:56:29,160 --> 00:56:31,080
Speaker 1: we kind of started hearing like, well, maybe Jeff Heath

1167
00:56:31,120 --> 00:56:32,920
Speaker 1: can do it. You know, if we lose Burry Church,

1168
00:56:32,920 --> 00:56:35,200
Speaker 1: maybe Jeff Heath can do it. What does Steven say yesterday,

1169
00:56:35,239 --> 00:56:37,719
Speaker 1: Alan Hurt? Maybe Alan Hearns can do it. Maybe Alan

1170
00:56:37,760 --> 00:56:39,799
Speaker 1: Herns will be our slot if Cole Beasley leaves, which

1171
00:56:40,160 --> 00:56:42,759
Speaker 1: I started hearing alarm bells immediately, I was like, buy

1172
00:56:42,880 --> 00:56:45,439
Speaker 1: Cole and you know they'll have Hearns and maybe they'll

1173
00:56:45,440 --> 00:56:48,120
Speaker 1: try to draft a guy. Which it's too early to

1174
00:56:48,160 --> 00:56:50,520
Speaker 1: say that definitely, but that like when somebody offers up

1175
00:56:50,560 --> 00:56:52,880
Speaker 1: a name like that, like when somebody like Steven Jones

1176
00:56:52,920 --> 00:56:56,000
Speaker 1: gets specific, Yeah, that says something to me. Yeah, he's

1177
00:56:56,000 --> 00:56:59,919
Speaker 1: been taught personal meetings talking about this stuff, Um, Jay

1178
00:57:00,040 --> 00:57:02,160
Speaker 1: and Garrett Jason, Garrett kind of said, I mean he

1179
00:57:02,200 --> 00:57:04,680
Speaker 1: said he expects Sean Leeback. Yeah, that that was something

1180
00:57:05,320 --> 00:57:08,000
Speaker 1: we don't usually learn a lot from Jason, but that

1181
00:57:08,000 --> 00:57:12,080
Speaker 1: that counts national coaches general mansion stuff. You were listening today,

1182
00:57:12,160 --> 00:57:14,600
Speaker 1: Give me a national perspective of something you might have

1183
00:57:14,680 --> 00:57:17,120
Speaker 1: learned from a team that you maybe didn't know or

1184
00:57:17,160 --> 00:57:19,120
Speaker 1: you know, or interesting something to keep an eye on.

1185
00:57:19,360 --> 00:57:21,400
Speaker 1: I mean, you have to talk about Steve Kim and

1186
00:57:21,440 --> 00:57:26,000
Speaker 1: what he said about Josh Rosen being the guy right now,

1187
00:57:26,200 --> 00:57:30,880
Speaker 1: right now. Um No, I've been saying all draft season, like,

1188
00:57:31,560 --> 00:57:33,880
Speaker 1: you can't just say far their coach after one year.

1189
00:57:33,960 --> 00:57:36,160
Speaker 1: That tells you where their mindset is. You can't just

1190
00:57:37,040 --> 00:57:41,040
Speaker 1: you do not eliminate Kyler Murray as a possibility at one. Yeah,

1191
00:57:41,040 --> 00:57:46,120
Speaker 1: it's a realistic possibility, and it's gonna be fascinating to

1192
00:57:46,160 --> 00:57:48,080
Speaker 1: see what the market be for Josh Rosen. I don't

1193
00:57:48,080 --> 00:57:51,600
Speaker 1: think it'd be as great as some people think. Um Like,

1194
00:57:51,640 --> 00:57:53,480
Speaker 1: I'm not sold they get a first round pick for him,

1195
00:57:53,720 --> 00:57:57,040
Speaker 1: because I think people need to remember that as you

1196
00:57:57,080 --> 00:57:58,800
Speaker 1: just did like a ninety two You ever seen that

1197
00:57:58,840 --> 00:58:01,960
Speaker 1: gift of Bruce Arians Like, like, that's what Brian just did.

1198
00:58:02,040 --> 00:58:04,520
Speaker 1: Because remember there were probably only three or four teams

1199
00:58:04,520 --> 00:58:06,360
Speaker 1: that were seriously in on Josh Rosen as a first

1200
00:58:06,440 --> 00:58:08,600
Speaker 1: round pick last year. Okay, if Josh Rosen was in

1201
00:58:08,640 --> 00:58:11,360
Speaker 1: this draft, where would he fall at quarterback? See? The

1202
00:58:11,440 --> 00:58:15,480
Speaker 1: Josh Rosen discussion is very difficult to have because so

1203
00:58:15,560 --> 00:58:18,160
Speaker 1: much of it is personality, the way he carries himself.

1204
00:58:18,200 --> 00:58:21,960
Speaker 1: It's an intangible position and you know, I just it's

1205
00:58:22,080 --> 00:58:23,800
Speaker 1: it's a hard conversation to have because we don't know

1206
00:58:23,800 --> 00:58:25,440
Speaker 1: the teams that are. Like I said, they were only

1207
00:58:25,520 --> 00:58:27,240
Speaker 1: three or four teams that were in on him last year.

1208
00:58:27,400 --> 00:58:29,480
Speaker 1: I mean there were he was a fourth quarterback drafted.

1209
00:58:29,800 --> 00:58:31,600
Speaker 1: I feel I feel like an idiot because he was

1210
00:58:31,640 --> 00:58:34,200
Speaker 1: the one I felt the best about. I keep calling

1211
00:58:34,280 --> 00:58:36,200
Speaker 1: him Matt Ryan. It's too early to close the book

1212
00:58:36,240 --> 00:58:39,120
Speaker 1: on him. Yeah, but it's again if you it's an

1213
00:58:39,120 --> 00:58:41,800
Speaker 1: intangible position. If you don't trust him to, you know,

1214
00:58:41,840 --> 00:58:43,720
Speaker 1: be a leader of men. And I mean you can

1215
00:58:43,840 --> 00:58:45,880
Speaker 1: people can you know, would you take us to it?

1216
00:58:45,920 --> 00:58:47,439
Speaker 1: All they want? But did you take a second round

1217
00:58:47,440 --> 00:58:51,439
Speaker 1: pick for him right now? If you're the I mean, well,

1218
00:58:51,640 --> 00:58:54,200
Speaker 1: if they you're going to draft Kyler Murray one, you

1219
00:58:54,200 --> 00:58:55,960
Speaker 1: have to trade Josh Rosen. You cannot have them. No,

1220
00:58:56,040 --> 00:58:58,600
Speaker 1: there's no there's no doubt. Yeah, so I mean you

1221
00:58:58,680 --> 00:59:00,960
Speaker 1: take you hold out as long as you and take

1222
00:59:01,520 --> 00:59:04,520
Speaker 1: would you take the Dolphins second round pick or they

1223
00:59:04,720 --> 00:59:07,520
Speaker 1: Jacksonville Jaguars second round pick? I think you wait until this,

1224
00:59:08,160 --> 00:59:10,640
Speaker 1: You almost have to wait until the draft. And you know,

1225
00:59:10,760 --> 00:59:14,120
Speaker 1: you tell me the Redskins wouldn't give up fifteen overt Yeah,

1226
00:59:14,160 --> 00:59:17,200
Speaker 1: you gotta hold somebody's feet over the fire and be like, yeah,

1227
00:59:17,480 --> 00:59:19,360
Speaker 1: give us the first round because I mean, look, I

1228
00:59:19,480 --> 00:59:21,600
Speaker 1: like Drew Lock, I like Daniel Jones. If you're the rest,

1229
00:59:21,640 --> 00:59:23,360
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. You were you were kind of

1230
00:59:23,400 --> 00:59:27,080
Speaker 1: noncommittal there, but like I think it's like John Rosen

1231
00:59:27,240 --> 00:59:29,760
Speaker 1: would be the second best quarterback in this class behind

1232
00:59:29,800 --> 00:59:32,320
Speaker 1: I mean you could Murray would be back. Yeah, I

1233
00:59:32,360 --> 00:59:34,920
Speaker 1: mean I think based on tape, Yeah, I'd agree with you. Okay.

1234
00:59:34,960 --> 00:59:37,040
Speaker 1: The thing is, it's just again, it's a hard conversation

1235
00:59:37,040 --> 00:59:38,840
Speaker 1: to have because a lot of teams are turned off

1236
00:59:38,840 --> 00:59:41,400
Speaker 1: by just how he his interactions with the team and

1237
00:59:41,800 --> 00:59:45,160
Speaker 1: how he carries himself. Teams don't like smart players. They don't.

1238
00:59:45,280 --> 00:59:48,720
Speaker 1: That's they don't. I'm convinced that that's true. All right, then,

1239
00:59:48,760 --> 00:59:50,960
Speaker 1: well that's all the time we have for tonight. Gosh,

1240
00:59:51,000 --> 00:59:53,360
Speaker 1: I love you guys. Back tomorrow. I love being here

1241
00:59:53,400 --> 00:59:57,120
Speaker 1: at the Combine for my twenty seventh season. David's yours,

1242
00:59:57,120 --> 01:00:02,880
Speaker 1: just say, sixth Combine, sixth Combine, Dame Bru your ninth. Right. Well,

1243
01:00:02,880 --> 01:00:05,040
Speaker 1: we'll come back tomorrow and do this all over again,

1244
01:00:05,080 --> 01:00:08,680
Speaker 1: probably the same time. It'll be five o'clock Central, six

1245
01:00:08,720 --> 01:00:11,680
Speaker 1: o'clock Eastern. For all our friends overseas, We love you.

1246
01:00:11,840 --> 01:00:14,439
Speaker 1: Thank you for watching as you always do. Again, we'll

1247
01:00:14,480 --> 01:00:16,760
Speaker 1: be back tomorrow. We thank you. We thank middle Light

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Speaker 1: here for being along with us too as our official

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