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I am so happy to be here. 29 00:01:45,880 --> 00:01:49,600 Speaker 1: Thank you so much for having me on, Ashley. I 30 00:01:49,640 --> 00:01:53,400 Speaker 1: love you. I just love you. You know, since day one, 31 00:01:53,480 --> 00:01:56,520 Speaker 1: I think it was um a love affair. Do you 32 00:01:56,560 --> 00:02:01,120 Speaker 1: remember the year that was? Oh? Girl, I don't know. 33 00:02:01,160 --> 00:02:03,480 Speaker 1: I know I should have actually done like the research 34 00:02:03,480 --> 00:02:05,560 Speaker 1: on what year it was because it was Glamor. It 35 00:02:05,600 --> 00:02:07,640 Speaker 1: was Glamor Woman of the Year. Yes, and then they 36 00:02:07,680 --> 00:02:09,840 Speaker 1: just kept putting us together and stuff, and then it 37 00:02:09,919 --> 00:02:12,320 Speaker 1: was that was it. They just knew. I feel like 38 00:02:12,360 --> 00:02:16,440 Speaker 1: we kept seeing each other at places, yes, and then 39 00:02:16,480 --> 00:02:17,840 Speaker 1: we were like, you know what, I think we should 40 00:02:17,840 --> 00:02:20,200 Speaker 1: just be best friends. That it was. That was it. 41 00:02:20,400 --> 00:02:23,720 Speaker 1: That was the universe was telling us. And then plus 42 00:02:23,880 --> 00:02:28,480 Speaker 1: I love justin you know, he looked I was. I 43 00:02:28,560 --> 00:02:30,360 Speaker 1: was showing him tough love though, because I kind of 44 00:02:30,360 --> 00:02:33,000 Speaker 1: felt like your cousin who needs to give him a 45 00:02:33,000 --> 00:02:35,640 Speaker 1: hard time, you know what I mean, So you can't 46 00:02:35,680 --> 00:02:37,359 Speaker 1: know he's all the way in, you know what I mean, 47 00:02:37,480 --> 00:02:41,360 Speaker 1: because you have it, you know what. That's that's the 48 00:02:41,400 --> 00:02:44,400 Speaker 1: best because just in such a teaser he I mean, 49 00:02:44,600 --> 00:02:48,239 Speaker 1: all day long, teasing and joking. But then lay L 50 00:02:48,680 --> 00:02:51,800 Speaker 1: Lael and I are like, I mean, she's my little sister. 51 00:02:52,240 --> 00:02:58,880 Speaker 1: That's it's it's, oh my gosh, Isaac, we have so 52 00:02:58,960 --> 00:03:03,880 Speaker 1: much to talk about, like because honey, we we were 53 00:03:03,880 --> 00:03:09,959 Speaker 1: having jokes um, you know, prior to this conversation about you, um, 54 00:03:10,440 --> 00:03:15,320 Speaker 1: because we as in like the producers myself, we were 55 00:03:15,360 --> 00:03:20,960 Speaker 1: having jokes um, because girl, you have done so much. Okay, 56 00:03:21,200 --> 00:03:25,799 Speaker 1: you are so much. At one point, Lauren said she 57 00:03:26,080 --> 00:03:28,560 Speaker 1: just had to just go ahead and google Ashley Graham 58 00:03:28,639 --> 00:03:33,040 Speaker 1: launches because it just felt like you kept uncovering launches, 59 00:03:33,160 --> 00:03:35,720 Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like you are not just 60 00:03:35,800 --> 00:03:38,800 Speaker 1: a mom, even though you're a factless, amazing, wonderful new mom, 61 00:03:39,160 --> 00:03:44,920 Speaker 1: but you're fashion and beauty icon, girl, icon, changemaker, rule breaker, 62 00:03:45,360 --> 00:03:52,160 Speaker 1: a TV host, a producer, an activists, a wife, somebody's daughter, 63 00:03:52,760 --> 00:04:00,320 Speaker 1: my bestie. Come on titles did you cause a spirit 64 00:04:00,360 --> 00:04:03,840 Speaker 1: feel like because yes, yes, yes, but all of the 65 00:04:03,840 --> 00:04:07,160 Speaker 1: titles because you are so much and you mean so much, 66 00:04:07,240 --> 00:04:11,280 Speaker 1: and so I'm going to give all your flowers right now, okay, 67 00:04:11,320 --> 00:04:16,640 Speaker 1: because I truly feel that you have absolutely not just 68 00:04:16,880 --> 00:04:20,520 Speaker 1: disrupted the way that we look at fashion beauty. I'm 69 00:04:20,520 --> 00:04:25,280 Speaker 1: talking about like shattered, disrupted, changed everything. Nothing was done 70 00:04:25,320 --> 00:04:28,039 Speaker 1: the same afterwards. Okay, let's just go ahead and claim that, amen. 71 00:04:29,360 --> 00:04:33,440 Speaker 1: But also the fact that you're an entrepreneur who keeps going, 72 00:04:33,680 --> 00:04:36,600 Speaker 1: who keeps launching, and even in this time of COVID. 73 00:04:36,640 --> 00:04:38,280 Speaker 1: So we're going to talk about all of that well 74 00:04:38,279 --> 00:04:41,000 Speaker 1: as much as we can in this time. But okay, 75 00:04:41,040 --> 00:04:43,680 Speaker 1: so we we got to start though, from the beginnings 76 00:04:43,680 --> 00:04:46,760 Speaker 1: of time, Okay, because you're you're in Nebraska right now, 77 00:04:46,839 --> 00:04:50,720 Speaker 1: right I am in Nebraska, justin Isaac and I came 78 00:04:50,760 --> 00:04:53,359 Speaker 1: with my mom to Nebraska the second week of March 79 00:04:54,000 --> 00:04:56,039 Speaker 1: and we were like, we left New York because we 80 00:04:56,080 --> 00:04:57,599 Speaker 1: just didn't know what was going to happen. I thought 81 00:04:57,600 --> 00:04:59,599 Speaker 1: we were going to be gone for three weeks. I 82 00:04:59,640 --> 00:05:04,680 Speaker 1: didn't even and pack everything, and um, it's been four 83 00:05:04,760 --> 00:05:08,039 Speaker 1: months now, and it's it's it's been a very interesting 84 00:05:08,200 --> 00:05:13,640 Speaker 1: time as everybody has been having. But um, I'm in Nebraska. 85 00:05:13,839 --> 00:05:15,800 Speaker 1: I'm in the same home that I grew up in 86 00:05:15,839 --> 00:05:19,960 Speaker 1: that I went to high school in, um with you know, 87 00:05:20,640 --> 00:05:22,680 Speaker 1: a little bit of different furniture because my mom has 88 00:05:22,680 --> 00:05:25,520 Speaker 1: a boyfriend now that's living with us. Yes, so it's 89 00:05:25,600 --> 00:05:28,719 Speaker 1: my mom, my, her boyfriend, me and Justin and Isaac 90 00:05:29,160 --> 00:05:31,560 Speaker 1: and Isaac, Justin and I have taken over the whole 91 00:05:31,600 --> 00:05:33,880 Speaker 1: basement and then they have upstairs, so it kind of 92 00:05:33,920 --> 00:05:36,359 Speaker 1: and her basement is bigger than my New York sized apartment. 93 00:05:36,920 --> 00:05:40,920 Speaker 1: Putting that out there, so we have been able to breathe, 94 00:05:41,720 --> 00:05:46,640 Speaker 1: but it has it has brought me back to like, wow, 95 00:05:46,680 --> 00:05:48,320 Speaker 1: this is where it all started. This is where it 96 00:05:48,360 --> 00:05:50,800 Speaker 1: all began. Was like here in Nebraska. These are where 97 00:05:50,839 --> 00:05:53,880 Speaker 1: my roots are. And so much of me has been 98 00:05:53,920 --> 00:05:55,960 Speaker 1: like New York, New York, New York, New York until 99 00:05:56,000 --> 00:05:58,640 Speaker 1: I die. And now I'm like back in a suburb. 100 00:05:58,839 --> 00:06:02,640 Speaker 1: I see green out side of me. Isaac loves the grass, 101 00:06:02,640 --> 00:06:06,679 Speaker 1: and I'm like, okay, do I want the suburb? Like also, 102 00:06:06,920 --> 00:06:08,920 Speaker 1: because I'll never give up my apartment in New York, 103 00:06:10,320 --> 00:06:13,160 Speaker 1: So it brings a lot of perspective and I kind 104 00:06:13,200 --> 00:06:16,200 Speaker 1: of I love it because I like to be a 105 00:06:16,240 --> 00:06:19,520 Speaker 1: person who can go back and look at what I've done, 106 00:06:19,560 --> 00:06:22,520 Speaker 1: where I've come from and be excited for myself and 107 00:06:22,520 --> 00:06:24,560 Speaker 1: the same for the people around me and um, and 108 00:06:24,600 --> 00:06:27,440 Speaker 1: that's exactly what this has done. Yeah. Can you talk 109 00:06:27,440 --> 00:06:30,320 Speaker 1: a little bit about that though, your beginnings in Nebraska, 110 00:06:30,440 --> 00:06:33,640 Speaker 1: because you know, I feel that all of us like 111 00:06:33,680 --> 00:06:38,880 Speaker 1: our our own origin stories. Yeah stories. So I mean 112 00:06:39,440 --> 00:06:44,080 Speaker 1: listen right here, Colorado, right or die. There have been 113 00:06:44,720 --> 00:06:51,120 Speaker 1: so many assumptions, you know, I mean about Midwesterners, Yes, 114 00:06:51,600 --> 00:06:56,000 Speaker 1: and the way in which the middle behaves or thinks 115 00:06:56,120 --> 00:06:59,000 Speaker 1: this is true, This is true. Talk talk a little 116 00:06:59,000 --> 00:07:04,920 Speaker 1: bit about about you there? Then? What was that like? Who? 117 00:07:05,000 --> 00:07:09,320 Speaker 1: Who was Ashley? Then? What were you like? Are you like? 118 00:07:09,360 --> 00:07:14,600 Speaker 1: You are? Now? Different? Yes? No, nothing has changed, and 119 00:07:14,680 --> 00:07:19,600 Speaker 1: this lap hasn't changed. The crazy thing is my mom 120 00:07:19,640 --> 00:07:22,480 Speaker 1: has the same laugh, so if you hear her laugh 121 00:07:22,480 --> 00:07:24,880 Speaker 1: and hear mind, you don't know the difference. Anyways, I 122 00:07:24,920 --> 00:07:28,120 Speaker 1: moved here in eighth grade from Texas, so it wasn't 123 00:07:28,120 --> 00:07:30,600 Speaker 1: a culture shock, but it was very different Texas to 124 00:07:30,640 --> 00:07:35,280 Speaker 1: Nebraska and um, and when I got here, I was 125 00:07:35,320 --> 00:07:39,280 Speaker 1: in eighth grade, I was incredibly curvy, Um, I just 126 00:07:39,360 --> 00:07:45,440 Speaker 1: started modeling, and I I remember um my mom. My 127 00:07:45,480 --> 00:07:47,640 Speaker 1: mom is from Nebraska, and one of her things that 128 00:07:47,760 --> 00:07:50,320 Speaker 1: always growing up was she said, you have to be 129 00:07:50,360 --> 00:07:53,440 Speaker 1: a hard worker. Hard work will pay off. And that 130 00:07:53,640 --> 00:07:57,280 Speaker 1: is something that people in the Midwest really stand true to, 131 00:07:57,800 --> 00:08:01,400 Speaker 1: is their hard work at And I come from a 132 00:08:01,560 --> 00:08:06,560 Speaker 1: family in a lineage of farmers, and they have worked 133 00:08:06,640 --> 00:08:10,520 Speaker 1: their butts off and um continue to this day. And 134 00:08:10,560 --> 00:08:12,040 Speaker 1: I feel like that's in my blood. And I feel 135 00:08:12,040 --> 00:08:15,760 Speaker 1: like that's how the people of even even just the Midwest. 136 00:08:15,800 --> 00:08:18,480 Speaker 1: I can say it broadly, but Lincoln, Nebraska, you meet 137 00:08:18,800 --> 00:08:23,880 Speaker 1: incredibly nice people and incredibly hard working people. And I 138 00:08:23,960 --> 00:08:27,240 Speaker 1: really love that about the Midwest. Yeah, oh my goodness, 139 00:08:27,400 --> 00:08:31,720 Speaker 1: Well did you feel like that helped you as you 140 00:08:32,400 --> 00:08:35,760 Speaker 1: then left me? Still has been the ethos of who 141 00:08:35,800 --> 00:08:39,400 Speaker 1: I am in my career. If it weren't for the 142 00:08:39,440 --> 00:08:44,360 Speaker 1: fact that I stuck to my guns and bulldozed through 143 00:08:44,400 --> 00:08:47,520 Speaker 1: any boundary that was put in my way, Um, that 144 00:08:47,640 --> 00:08:50,600 Speaker 1: was because of the ethics that my mother gave me. Um, 145 00:08:50,640 --> 00:08:52,920 Speaker 1: the niceness I mean I was. I was dropped into 146 00:08:52,960 --> 00:08:55,360 Speaker 1: an industry that was known as the mean girls club, 147 00:08:55,559 --> 00:08:59,160 Speaker 1: the mean everybody's club, really and if you're not this, 148 00:08:59,280 --> 00:09:02,319 Speaker 1: that or the other, or than you're out and forget 149 00:09:02,360 --> 00:09:06,199 Speaker 1: about next season. You're definitely out. And I was nice 150 00:09:06,280 --> 00:09:10,160 Speaker 1: throughout the whole thing. I my mom always told me kindness, Um, 151 00:09:10,160 --> 00:09:13,080 Speaker 1: we'll get you farther in life than anything, and it 152 00:09:13,120 --> 00:09:15,720 Speaker 1: has proven in my career. I think that a smile, 153 00:09:16,400 --> 00:09:20,920 Speaker 1: a genuine how are you, and played by the rules, Um, 154 00:09:20,960 --> 00:09:23,960 Speaker 1: we'll get you incredibly far. Yeah, yeah, I know that's 155 00:09:23,960 --> 00:09:25,800 Speaker 1: so true. Okay, so we're going to get back to 156 00:09:25,800 --> 00:09:28,040 Speaker 1: your career for a second, but do you want to 157 00:09:28,080 --> 00:09:33,200 Speaker 1: talk about your mom and this intergenerational living arrangement that 158 00:09:33,240 --> 00:09:36,679 Speaker 1: you're in, because clearly COVID has disrupted all of our lives. 159 00:09:36,679 --> 00:09:38,200 Speaker 1: Like you said, you thought you were going to be 160 00:09:38,200 --> 00:09:40,120 Speaker 1: in Nebraska for three weeks and here you are four 161 00:09:40,160 --> 00:09:41,800 Speaker 1: months later, and we don't even know how long the 162 00:09:41,800 --> 00:09:44,120 Speaker 1: hell we're gonna be in these in our situations, And 163 00:09:44,200 --> 00:09:47,839 Speaker 1: so what has that been like, Like, you know, returning 164 00:09:48,160 --> 00:09:51,280 Speaker 1: back to Nebraska and living in the house where you 165 00:09:51,320 --> 00:09:55,120 Speaker 1: grew up in with your mom and her man and 166 00:09:55,320 --> 00:09:58,080 Speaker 1: your man and your new little man. That's a that's 167 00:09:58,080 --> 00:10:01,960 Speaker 1: a lot going on there. So I think that we must, 168 00:10:02,360 --> 00:10:06,920 Speaker 1: we must be very abnormal because it's working. Nobody has 169 00:10:06,960 --> 00:10:10,280 Speaker 1: gotten into a fight. There hasn't been any issues. We've 170 00:10:10,320 --> 00:10:14,040 Speaker 1: had friends come and go. Um, we had we had 171 00:10:14,080 --> 00:10:16,880 Speaker 1: family come and go, and all through the midst of 172 00:10:16,920 --> 00:10:19,280 Speaker 1: all of it, we have really been working. Like everybody 173 00:10:19,360 --> 00:10:21,640 Speaker 1: kind of knows their role, Like my mom is the 174 00:10:21,720 --> 00:10:25,840 Speaker 1: nanny when I'm on a zoom or a podcast. Um, 175 00:10:25,880 --> 00:10:29,079 Speaker 1: Michael is mcgiver and he's been doing house projects. Um, 176 00:10:29,520 --> 00:10:32,360 Speaker 1: they just redid a bathroom. They put up a stone 177 00:10:32,400 --> 00:10:36,160 Speaker 1: wall on the porch. Justin has found every coffee shop 178 00:10:36,160 --> 00:10:39,720 Speaker 1: in Lincoln, and he's been editing films. Um. And I 179 00:10:39,800 --> 00:10:45,320 Speaker 1: have just been like feeling so just incredibly happy that 180 00:10:45,440 --> 00:10:49,000 Speaker 1: I can have these precious moments with Isaac, that I'm 181 00:10:49,000 --> 00:10:53,000 Speaker 1: not on a plane. I knew that to three months 182 00:10:53,000 --> 00:10:55,880 Speaker 1: after having him. My team would probably have been like, hey, 183 00:10:55,920 --> 00:10:57,560 Speaker 1: you got this, you got that. In fact, I had 184 00:10:57,600 --> 00:11:02,240 Speaker 1: things planned. But silver lining is I have got to 185 00:11:02,640 --> 00:11:05,280 Speaker 1: I have been able to spend every waking moment with him, 186 00:11:05,320 --> 00:11:09,320 Speaker 1: and it is such a blessing. Oh god, it is. 187 00:11:09,880 --> 00:11:12,280 Speaker 1: It's so true. It's such a blessing. Similar to you. 188 00:11:12,360 --> 00:11:15,880 Speaker 1: My mom um has been living with us during this 189 00:11:15,960 --> 00:11:19,719 Speaker 1: quarantine time. YEP, and so it's it's of course her 190 00:11:19,960 --> 00:11:23,080 Speaker 1: myself and Layel in the house. Um, so it's just 191 00:11:23,360 --> 00:11:31,280 Speaker 1: female energy that's announced, intergenerational female energy, and we are 192 00:11:31,960 --> 00:11:33,840 Speaker 1: we're making it. I don't know if we're as perfect 193 00:11:33,880 --> 00:11:37,760 Speaker 1: as y'all, okay, but we're doing our best too. I 194 00:11:37,800 --> 00:11:40,560 Speaker 1: grew up with two sisters. I get it. Mm hmmm 195 00:11:40,840 --> 00:11:43,520 Speaker 1: mm hmm. Yeah. But you know, it's all a learning. 196 00:11:43,840 --> 00:11:45,480 Speaker 1: That's just you know, I'm just I'm gonna put that 197 00:11:45,520 --> 00:11:48,640 Speaker 1: silver lining on it. It's all a learning, Okay, it is, 198 00:11:48,880 --> 00:11:51,040 Speaker 1: it is. And also you'll look back on this and 199 00:11:51,080 --> 00:11:52,680 Speaker 1: you'll be so happy that you spent this time with 200 00:11:52,720 --> 00:11:58,120 Speaker 1: your mom, your grandma for right, right, That's how I'm 201 00:11:58,120 --> 00:12:00,280 Speaker 1: looking at him, Like I get this time with my 202 00:12:00,360 --> 00:12:02,720 Speaker 1: mom and my mom and I talk about death like 203 00:12:02,800 --> 00:12:06,800 Speaker 1: it's really not a like it's a conversation that we have. 204 00:12:07,040 --> 00:12:08,960 Speaker 1: And she's like, okay, when I die, Like she tells 205 00:12:09,000 --> 00:12:10,800 Speaker 1: me where her things are and this and that, and 206 00:12:10,840 --> 00:12:13,280 Speaker 1: we talk about it. And she told me, she was like, 207 00:12:13,400 --> 00:12:16,520 Speaker 1: just think about this time that when you look back, 208 00:12:16,520 --> 00:12:19,000 Speaker 1: we're gonna have had this. 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Let's get back to it. Can you 241 00:14:20,600 --> 00:14:24,280 Speaker 1: talk a little bit about when you began modeling and 242 00:14:24,400 --> 00:14:30,400 Speaker 1: what actually made you think about how to innovate and 243 00:14:30,600 --> 00:14:32,880 Speaker 1: change within that space, Because it's enough to just be 244 00:14:32,920 --> 00:14:35,480 Speaker 1: who you are in the space. I mean, listen, there 245 00:14:35,480 --> 00:14:37,800 Speaker 1: are lots of people who are in the spaces, are 246 00:14:37,800 --> 00:14:41,080 Speaker 1: the industries they are in and trying to achieve just 247 00:14:41,360 --> 00:14:44,520 Speaker 1: being different in that space. It's like that just that's 248 00:14:44,640 --> 00:14:47,120 Speaker 1: enough work, Like you get all the all the trophies 249 00:14:47,160 --> 00:14:51,200 Speaker 1: and metals just for having broken barriers being who you are. 250 00:14:51,760 --> 00:14:53,840 Speaker 1: But then girl, you have to go ahead and just 251 00:14:53,880 --> 00:14:56,360 Speaker 1: go ahead and innovate too. Can you talk a little 252 00:14:56,360 --> 00:15:00,360 Speaker 1: bit about that, Like you're you're modeling. But where where 253 00:15:00,360 --> 00:15:04,480 Speaker 1: did those thoughts come from start off? Well, I think 254 00:15:04,760 --> 00:15:10,040 Speaker 1: where it really began was knowing that after a certain 255 00:15:10,080 --> 00:15:12,120 Speaker 1: amount of years of modeling. I mean I started when 256 00:15:12,120 --> 00:15:14,920 Speaker 1: I was twelve years old and I moved to New 257 00:15:14,960 --> 00:15:18,440 Speaker 1: York at seventeen. I left Nebraska. It was an oh 258 00:15:18,600 --> 00:15:20,440 Speaker 1: five and my mom and dad said, if you don't 259 00:15:20,440 --> 00:15:21,920 Speaker 1: make it in New York, you're gonna have to move back, 260 00:15:21,960 --> 00:15:24,360 Speaker 1: and you're gonna have to go to college. And you're 261 00:15:24,400 --> 00:15:29,960 Speaker 1: talking to a dyslexic a d D barely like like 262 00:15:30,080 --> 00:15:34,080 Speaker 1: I just kind of like slid through high school with 263 00:15:34,200 --> 00:15:37,520 Speaker 1: seats and whatever it took. I did not want to 264 00:15:37,560 --> 00:15:41,600 Speaker 1: go to college, so I did whatever it took, and um, 265 00:15:41,640 --> 00:15:44,120 Speaker 1: I worked my butt off. I took every job. I 266 00:15:44,160 --> 00:15:48,520 Speaker 1: said yes to everything. Um and that was the beginning 267 00:15:48,760 --> 00:15:52,400 Speaker 1: of my agency realizing, oh, this girl's down, she's like, 268 00:15:52,480 --> 00:15:55,640 Speaker 1: she's actually ready and we can throw her into anything. 269 00:15:56,720 --> 00:15:59,520 Speaker 1: So then it was probably about four or five years 270 00:15:59,600 --> 00:16:03,600 Speaker 1: later when I was married. I had I think it 271 00:16:03,640 --> 00:16:05,600 Speaker 1: was just a year that Justin and I had been married, 272 00:16:05,720 --> 00:16:09,840 Speaker 1: and my career was great. I was top of the 273 00:16:09,920 --> 00:16:14,520 Speaker 1: line catalog girl, Lane Bryant model just had a commercial 274 00:16:14,720 --> 00:16:22,160 Speaker 1: that was banned from TV and it was Remember remember 275 00:16:22,160 --> 00:16:24,840 Speaker 1: it wasn't necessarily like my name was put on the map, 276 00:16:25,080 --> 00:16:27,840 Speaker 1: but people in the industry were like, oh, that's that girl, 277 00:16:28,800 --> 00:16:31,760 Speaker 1: and um, Justin came home and there was it was. 278 00:16:32,000 --> 00:16:34,120 Speaker 1: It was maybe a year after that and Justin had 279 00:16:34,160 --> 00:16:36,280 Speaker 1: come home and I was still on the couch where 280 00:16:36,280 --> 00:16:38,160 Speaker 1: he had left from the morning that he had gone 281 00:16:38,160 --> 00:16:39,880 Speaker 1: to work. He's like, why are you still in the 282 00:16:39,920 --> 00:16:43,960 Speaker 1: same position on the couch. I was like, it was 283 00:16:44,000 --> 00:16:49,360 Speaker 1: one of those really proud wife moments, like, yeah he was. 284 00:16:49,880 --> 00:16:52,480 Speaker 1: And around that time he said, what do you want? 285 00:16:53,160 --> 00:16:56,120 Speaker 1: What is it that is going to make you happy? 286 00:16:56,840 --> 00:17:00,960 Speaker 1: And because he knew that, I felt really stagnant in 287 00:17:01,040 --> 00:17:04,200 Speaker 1: the career that I was at at that moment, and 288 00:17:04,400 --> 00:17:08,160 Speaker 1: it got my wheels turning because I thought that from 289 00:17:08,200 --> 00:17:12,439 Speaker 1: that commercial, I could um really capitalize off of it 290 00:17:12,480 --> 00:17:16,359 Speaker 1: and turn it into something. And although I did much later, 291 00:17:16,400 --> 00:17:18,240 Speaker 1: I thought it was going to happen faster. And I 292 00:17:18,280 --> 00:17:21,200 Speaker 1: think that for me, everything has been a building block 293 00:17:21,240 --> 00:17:24,320 Speaker 1: on top of the other and it hasn't come just 294 00:17:24,480 --> 00:17:28,399 Speaker 1: so quickly, but it's come with time, and it's also 295 00:17:28,520 --> 00:17:31,440 Speaker 1: come with having my ears open and so When Justin 296 00:17:31,480 --> 00:17:33,679 Speaker 1: said that to me, it was like, you're right, what 297 00:17:33,760 --> 00:17:37,159 Speaker 1: do people know me as? How can I really amplify? 298 00:17:37,920 --> 00:17:40,000 Speaker 1: By the way, haven't we been saying the word amplify 299 00:17:40,080 --> 00:17:42,880 Speaker 1: so much? I love it and I'm sure we'll get 300 00:17:42,880 --> 00:17:48,639 Speaker 1: to that. Um and and how to amplify my voice 301 00:17:48,680 --> 00:17:51,240 Speaker 1: and to really into not not just my voice but 302 00:17:51,320 --> 00:17:53,520 Speaker 1: my name. And what I really wanted to change in 303 00:17:53,560 --> 00:17:57,440 Speaker 1: the industry and um and that was start a lingerie line. 304 00:17:57,960 --> 00:18:00,719 Speaker 1: So I went to a company. I went to a 305 00:18:00,760 --> 00:18:02,480 Speaker 1: few companies and I said, Hey, I want to do 306 00:18:02,520 --> 00:18:05,240 Speaker 1: a lingerie line. I'm known as a lingerie girl. Because 307 00:18:05,240 --> 00:18:06,960 Speaker 1: that was a question, I asked myself, what what who 308 00:18:06,960 --> 00:18:08,520 Speaker 1: do people know me as? Oh, they know me? Oh, 309 00:18:08,560 --> 00:18:12,879 Speaker 1: you're that lingerie girl. So I started my lingerie line 310 00:18:12,960 --> 00:18:15,600 Speaker 1: and I went to a few CEOs, but it ended 311 00:18:15,680 --> 00:18:19,520 Speaker 1: up being CEO of Additionel Rosalind Grinder, and I said, 312 00:18:19,680 --> 00:18:21,639 Speaker 1: I want to make bras that look like this, and 313 00:18:21,680 --> 00:18:23,280 Speaker 1: I lifted up my shirt to her and I said, 314 00:18:23,560 --> 00:18:25,560 Speaker 1: but you see this spillage and you see that And 315 00:18:25,560 --> 00:18:28,320 Speaker 1: I said it's just it's not cute, and she's like, great, 316 00:18:28,400 --> 00:18:29,919 Speaker 1: let's do it. Within a couple of months, we had 317 00:18:29,920 --> 00:18:33,360 Speaker 1: the contract written up and the next year my capsule 318 00:18:33,400 --> 00:18:36,560 Speaker 1: collection launched because who knew there's twenty five components to 319 00:18:36,600 --> 00:18:39,359 Speaker 1: a bra and it took a year to make, I 320 00:18:39,359 --> 00:18:45,240 Speaker 1: don't know. So that was the beginning of, oh, this 321 00:18:45,320 --> 00:18:50,159 Speaker 1: is more than just modeling. But through that also I 322 00:18:50,160 --> 00:18:53,280 Speaker 1: had always been called the plus size model. There was 323 00:18:53,280 --> 00:18:57,600 Speaker 1: always a label kind of looming over me. And here 324 00:18:57,600 --> 00:18:59,840 Speaker 1: we are. We're in a day and age where label 325 00:19:00,440 --> 00:19:04,200 Speaker 1: are disgusting. Nobody wants to be labeled. Yet people still 326 00:19:04,240 --> 00:19:06,439 Speaker 1: put you in a box for who you are and 327 00:19:06,480 --> 00:19:08,320 Speaker 1: who you stand for, and who you're rooting for and 328 00:19:08,320 --> 00:19:12,119 Speaker 1: who you're not rooting for. And all I simply wanted 329 00:19:12,240 --> 00:19:16,200 Speaker 1: was to just be accepted for who I was Ashley 330 00:19:16,520 --> 00:19:20,160 Speaker 1: the model period. So I just kept talking about it, 331 00:19:20,440 --> 00:19:23,640 Speaker 1: and I think now looking back, that was the best 332 00:19:23,680 --> 00:19:26,200 Speaker 1: thing I could have done, was just continue to talk 333 00:19:26,280 --> 00:19:30,959 Speaker 1: about the change I wanted and my experiences through my 334 00:19:31,040 --> 00:19:34,680 Speaker 1: own life, like with cellulite, like with dating, like with eating, 335 00:19:35,160 --> 00:19:39,480 Speaker 1: my experiences around my body, my insecurities. Who knew everybody 336 00:19:39,480 --> 00:19:47,000 Speaker 1: else in the world also had insecurities. I think, Um, 337 00:19:47,040 --> 00:19:49,239 Speaker 1: that's it was, really it was really then, and it 338 00:19:49,320 --> 00:19:51,720 Speaker 1: was it was justin kind of knocking on my door 339 00:19:51,800 --> 00:19:55,560 Speaker 1: and and pushing me, but also me realizing that I 340 00:19:55,640 --> 00:19:58,720 Speaker 1: needed to have patients throughout this whole thing, because um 341 00:19:58,800 --> 00:20:01,200 Speaker 1: thirty two now, so here we are twenty years in 342 00:20:01,240 --> 00:20:04,840 Speaker 1: the game. Besides justin, were there any other allies or 343 00:20:04,880 --> 00:20:07,639 Speaker 1: how did you find the gosh? I don't know the 344 00:20:07,680 --> 00:20:10,760 Speaker 1: wherewithal to be like, you know what, yeah, I know 345 00:20:10,840 --> 00:20:16,080 Speaker 1: some companies. I'm going to go figure. Let's tell you. 346 00:20:16,080 --> 00:20:17,679 Speaker 1: You know, as a model, you think that your agency 347 00:20:17,760 --> 00:20:19,240 Speaker 1: is going to hold your hand through a lot of things. 348 00:20:19,280 --> 00:20:21,320 Speaker 1: And I tell a lot of young models do it 349 00:20:21,400 --> 00:20:24,760 Speaker 1: on your wrong. You know, they had an agent tell me, 350 00:20:25,000 --> 00:20:27,520 Speaker 1: we're the ones who opened the door for you. You're 351 00:20:27,560 --> 00:20:32,080 Speaker 1: the one who's invited back in. And when she told 352 00:20:32,080 --> 00:20:36,200 Speaker 1: me that, it was an eye opener because it was like, oh, 353 00:20:36,240 --> 00:20:39,320 Speaker 1: you're just telling me that you can call them, but 354 00:20:39,400 --> 00:20:43,240 Speaker 1: I need to do the work. And that's with any career, 355 00:20:43,640 --> 00:20:46,960 Speaker 1: any any category that you want to actually get into, 356 00:20:47,000 --> 00:20:49,760 Speaker 1: because nobody's going to do the work for you, nobody 357 00:20:49,960 --> 00:20:52,080 Speaker 1: is going to sign up for you. You have to 358 00:20:52,080 --> 00:20:54,840 Speaker 1: take a leap of faith. You have to get uncomfortable 359 00:20:55,000 --> 00:20:57,760 Speaker 1: in a new situation. And that's the only place you're 360 00:20:57,800 --> 00:21:00,280 Speaker 1: going to actually find growth. And that's what I did, 361 00:21:00,359 --> 00:21:02,919 Speaker 1: and I just I mean, I would be on set 362 00:21:03,240 --> 00:21:08,400 Speaker 1: talking to the CEOs, to the president's and being like, hey, 363 00:21:08,480 --> 00:21:10,959 Speaker 1: let's have a you know, over lunch, over catering, and 364 00:21:10,960 --> 00:21:14,880 Speaker 1: it's like, so I've been thinking about it's amazing and 365 00:21:15,440 --> 00:21:17,480 Speaker 1: that's it. Because I told my agency at the time, 366 00:21:17,480 --> 00:21:19,359 Speaker 1: I said I want to do a lingerie line. They 367 00:21:19,359 --> 00:21:21,479 Speaker 1: said no, no, no, no, no, they said no to me, 368 00:21:21,560 --> 00:21:23,320 Speaker 1: and then I came to them and said, well, well 369 00:21:23,359 --> 00:21:25,840 Speaker 1: I'm going to be doing this. And of course they 370 00:21:25,840 --> 00:21:27,960 Speaker 1: got to collect a check because that was the contract 371 00:21:28,000 --> 00:21:30,879 Speaker 1: that I had, and those are also learning curves that 372 00:21:30,920 --> 00:21:32,800 Speaker 1: I had to learn. It's like, you know, who am 373 00:21:32,840 --> 00:21:35,320 Speaker 1: I signing my name away to? What? Am I signing 374 00:21:35,320 --> 00:21:39,720 Speaker 1: my name a way to? Um? So I'm glad that 375 00:21:39,800 --> 00:21:42,280 Speaker 1: I had the right people in my court as far 376 00:21:42,320 --> 00:21:45,879 Speaker 1: as attorneys and advisors like that. Yes, but you're telling 377 00:21:45,960 --> 00:21:49,560 Speaker 1: us and that's wonderful because I think I think part 378 00:21:49,640 --> 00:21:52,440 Speaker 1: of it is also sharing, you know, sharing the knowledge 379 00:21:52,840 --> 00:21:55,320 Speaker 1: that you have as you as you go along. And 380 00:21:55,359 --> 00:21:58,320 Speaker 1: as I said before, you know I I obviously am 381 00:21:58,440 --> 00:22:00,159 Speaker 1: I am a fan, not just your friend, but a 382 00:22:00,160 --> 00:22:04,840 Speaker 1: fan of your work because of how relentless you are 383 00:22:05,240 --> 00:22:10,080 Speaker 1: in the pursuit of continuing to create. It's a very 384 00:22:10,119 --> 00:22:15,199 Speaker 1: impressive trait. Thank you. I'm not tired. I wanna. I 385 00:22:15,240 --> 00:22:18,000 Speaker 1: want to change the world. I think that there's just 386 00:22:18,560 --> 00:22:23,080 Speaker 1: that's it right. So as a mother, there's like a 387 00:22:23,080 --> 00:22:28,719 Speaker 1: new strength that builds up in you. I believe, and um, 388 00:22:28,760 --> 00:22:32,160 Speaker 1: and there's just so much to be done, and it's like, okay, checklist, 389 00:22:32,600 --> 00:22:34,920 Speaker 1: check check check, Okay, what are what are my new 390 00:22:35,359 --> 00:22:39,879 Speaker 1: what's my new? Checklist? And um, And I'm not afraid. 391 00:22:40,680 --> 00:22:45,720 Speaker 1: I'm not I think that a lot of and I 392 00:22:45,760 --> 00:22:47,480 Speaker 1: don't want to speak for every woman, but I think 393 00:22:47,480 --> 00:22:50,280 Speaker 1: that there are some women who maybe even just people. 394 00:22:50,400 --> 00:22:52,840 Speaker 1: Maybe I'm maybe I shouldn't just say women, but I 395 00:22:52,960 --> 00:22:55,160 Speaker 1: just work with so many women. It's like I don't 396 00:22:55,160 --> 00:22:58,840 Speaker 1: want to ruffle anybody's feathers. Oh I can't do that 397 00:22:58,920 --> 00:23:02,800 Speaker 1: because of X, Y and Z or do you think 398 00:23:02,800 --> 00:23:04,879 Speaker 1: that that's the right idea. I think it's always the 399 00:23:04,960 --> 00:23:07,359 Speaker 1: right idea. Go for what you want, go you know 400 00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:09,679 Speaker 1: you always will hear like, go after what you believe 401 00:23:09,720 --> 00:23:11,720 Speaker 1: in and and what you see for yourself. But if 402 00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:14,080 Speaker 1: you're not actually going to put into action those things, 403 00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:17,040 Speaker 1: then they're just not going to come forth for you. Yes, suh, 404 00:23:17,680 --> 00:23:21,160 Speaker 1: yes suh, it's like put forth into action. Yes, let's 405 00:23:21,160 --> 00:23:24,320 Speaker 1: snap it up, snap it up, because it's important. It's important. 406 00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:26,960 Speaker 1: It's so important. Now, you know, like I said, you 407 00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:30,320 Speaker 1: you've had quite a few launches. And I'm a I'm 408 00:23:30,359 --> 00:23:33,399 Speaker 1: a also a big fan of bragging on myself and 409 00:23:33,400 --> 00:23:38,040 Speaker 1: on other people. But because this is your moment, okay, 410 00:23:38,320 --> 00:23:41,720 Speaker 1: I want you to tell us, all right, tell us 411 00:23:41,960 --> 00:23:46,920 Speaker 1: tell us the people all the things did you have 412 00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:50,159 Speaker 1: launched and created, because I just think it's so inspiring. No, 413 00:23:50,280 --> 00:23:52,240 Speaker 1: we really need to hear it, because, like you just said, 414 00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:55,800 Speaker 1: you know, you could have continued to be successful as 415 00:23:55,800 --> 00:23:59,919 Speaker 1: a model and girl, not just the you know, the 416 00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:04,119 Speaker 1: commercial which was banned, but also you know your s 417 00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:08,520 Speaker 1: I cover just a little bit ago, you know what, 418 00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:13,240 Speaker 1: like there there have been some breakthroughs on the modeling front, 419 00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:16,879 Speaker 1: but you have done the extra work of being on 420 00:24:16,920 --> 00:24:19,920 Speaker 1: a set and talking to somebody. Okay, not just there 421 00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:21,760 Speaker 1: to do the job you're doing, but doing the job 422 00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:25,600 Speaker 1: that you want to get. Also, tell us, girl, tell us, 423 00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:30,040 Speaker 1: give us, give us launches. Just do it, Just do it. 424 00:24:30,119 --> 00:24:32,440 Speaker 1: Let let us, be let us be let me just 425 00:24:32,520 --> 00:24:34,880 Speaker 1: let me just try to go. Oh my god, there's 426 00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:40,280 Speaker 1: lingerie swim then, um, clothing, clothing of all sorts. I 427 00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:44,480 Speaker 1: have a book, Um, I have a barbie. Um. I'm 428 00:24:44,520 --> 00:24:47,320 Speaker 1: a producer of a few different shows. I have a 429 00:24:47,440 --> 00:24:50,520 Speaker 1: workout series on YouTube called thank Bod. I have a 430 00:24:50,560 --> 00:24:57,240 Speaker 1: show called Fearless on l M tube. UM. I have 431 00:24:57,320 --> 00:25:00,920 Speaker 1: a podcast called pretty Big Deal because you are a 432 00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:05,520 Speaker 1: pretty big deal. Hello. I'm I've had a lot of 433 00:25:05,560 --> 00:25:10,800 Speaker 1: amazing covers, a lot of amazing covers. Um. Gosh, I 434 00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:14,320 Speaker 1: hate talking about myself like this. This is very weird. 435 00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:17,560 Speaker 1: I love it. This is the thing which is also 436 00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:20,040 Speaker 1: really cool is that a lot of things is I'm 437 00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:22,320 Speaker 1: the first curvy model to do a lot of it, 438 00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:26,040 Speaker 1: which which I mean, you know, but this is the 439 00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:27,639 Speaker 1: way it should This is the way it should be. 440 00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:31,200 Speaker 1: We should be having representation of everybody at the table 441 00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:34,560 Speaker 1: period um. But I was just thinking about Revlon and 442 00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:39,320 Speaker 1: being um a a an ambassador and having a contract 443 00:25:39,359 --> 00:25:42,600 Speaker 1: with them, I mean like beauty contracts. You know, I 444 00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:45,280 Speaker 1: always had somebody tell me, you know, you're skinny from 445 00:25:45,320 --> 00:25:48,040 Speaker 1: the from the neck up, so who cares? And I'm 446 00:25:48,040 --> 00:25:50,959 Speaker 1: like well, what like, what's that supposed to me? I know, 447 00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:53,479 Speaker 1: what is that to me? I've heard it all. If 448 00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:55,960 Speaker 1: you've heard it, I've heard it and that's it, you know. 449 00:25:57,440 --> 00:26:00,919 Speaker 1: Oh my god. When we come back, Ashley and I 450 00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:03,359 Speaker 1: talked about the change that's in the air and on 451 00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:11,480 Speaker 1: the grounds. 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Now. 479 00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:50,320 Speaker 1: This was an initiative created by me and three other 480 00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:54,880 Speaker 1: friends where we asked white women on Instagram to give 481 00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:58,840 Speaker 1: up their platforms for twenty four hours too black women 482 00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:02,480 Speaker 1: with powerful story who could share their narratives with a 483 00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:06,040 Speaker 1: new audience. I'm so proud that Ashley Graham was one 484 00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:08,560 Speaker 1: of the white women who said yes, and she gave 485 00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:11,480 Speaker 1: up her platform to Opal to Matty, who, by the way, 486 00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:14,200 Speaker 1: has been a guest on this show before, and it's 487 00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:17,040 Speaker 1: the co founder of Black Lives Matter, So let's pick 488 00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:21,919 Speaker 1: back up with Ashley right now. I do want to 489 00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:27,840 Speaker 1: talk to you about this rule breaking person that you are, 490 00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:31,840 Speaker 1: because diversity just does come in all kinds of ways, 491 00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:36,080 Speaker 1: but we are in a specific moment right now where 492 00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:40,000 Speaker 1: we're talking about all kinds of racial unrest, things that 493 00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:43,840 Speaker 1: need to change. You have been such an advocate, such 494 00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:47,480 Speaker 1: a voice in fashion and beauty specifically, but of course 495 00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:51,840 Speaker 1: across many entertainment spectrums that we've just discussed. Talk to 496 00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:54,800 Speaker 1: me about what you are thinking right now, like where 497 00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:58,760 Speaker 1: is your heart, where's your head? Where's your spirit? You know, 498 00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:02,160 Speaker 1: as we think about all of the things that are 499 00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:05,120 Speaker 1: coming to the surface and this moment of reckoning that 500 00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:10,160 Speaker 1: we're in, especially in the industries that you're in. Thank God, 501 00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:19,240 Speaker 1: this is a very tough time to be in right now. UM. 502 00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:22,080 Speaker 1: I think that it's hard for a lot of people 503 00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:24,840 Speaker 1: to hear some of the stuff. It in some ways 504 00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:29,920 Speaker 1: is surprising, which I think is wild, but that it's surprising, um, 505 00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:34,160 Speaker 1: and it needs to happen. Everything that's happening right now 506 00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:39,120 Speaker 1: needs to happen. And UM, I am so glad that 507 00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:42,959 Speaker 1: there have been so many conversations. I'm so glad that 508 00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:46,520 Speaker 1: I've been having those conversations prior to all of this 509 00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:52,200 Speaker 1: coming out, UM, with my husband, with my best friends. UM, 510 00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:54,520 Speaker 1: you know, because these are the conversations that now people 511 00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:57,000 Speaker 1: are saying, oh, you have to have these conversations. But 512 00:29:57,120 --> 00:29:59,960 Speaker 1: where my head is right now is that, Okay, how 513 00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:03,840 Speaker 1: can how can I, as a white woman continue to 514 00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:07,400 Speaker 1: educate the white people around me? Because, UM, I have 515 00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:09,480 Speaker 1: seen and I'm sorry, I'm just going there with you 516 00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:15,920 Speaker 1: right now. Yes, I mean, okay, UM, I have seen 517 00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:18,360 Speaker 1: so many of my black friends and even my husband 518 00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:20,680 Speaker 1: who it's it's like they get off the phone and 519 00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:22,600 Speaker 1: or they've gotten so many text messages and they're just 520 00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:26,560 Speaker 1: exhausted by having to have explain and talk and the 521 00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:29,680 Speaker 1: and and and explain what's happening. And I'm not saying 522 00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:31,720 Speaker 1: that I'm an expert or I know much at all, 523 00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:34,440 Speaker 1: but what I do know, I'm able to talk to 524 00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:36,680 Speaker 1: my family about what I do know, I'm able to 525 00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:39,640 Speaker 1: talk to my white friends about and I'm able to say, Okay, 526 00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:41,760 Speaker 1: this is what you can do to help because I 527 00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:44,040 Speaker 1: think that there are a lot of people who don't 528 00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:49,600 Speaker 1: know what to do right now, and they are feeling, um, 529 00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:52,440 Speaker 1: nervous or like they don't want to say or do 530 00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:56,760 Speaker 1: the wrong thing. But in reality, being silent is doing 531 00:30:56,800 --> 00:30:59,840 Speaker 1: the wrong thing. Being silent is being a part of 532 00:30:59,880 --> 00:31:06,160 Speaker 1: the problem. So right now my feeling is discussed. My 533 00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:11,480 Speaker 1: feeling is I'm I'm horrified, but um, but I'm also 534 00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:14,440 Speaker 1: so glad that things are happening because it feels like 535 00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:18,200 Speaker 1: real change is here and I can even just see 536 00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:21,800 Speaker 1: like there's a different kind of hope in some people's eyes. Yes, 537 00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:24,640 Speaker 1: it's true, there is, and I do feel that I 538 00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:26,960 Speaker 1: feel like this is different. I really do. Maybe it's 539 00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:31,720 Speaker 1: the optimist in speaking, but there's you know, the initiative 540 00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:34,080 Speaker 1: that we did with share the Mic, which, by the way, 541 00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:36,960 Speaker 1: thank you for asking me to do that. Can we 542 00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:39,240 Speaker 1: pause on that for a second, though, because I also 543 00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:41,560 Speaker 1: have to tell I have to I have to say this, 544 00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:46,520 Speaker 1: which is that UM, very much like justin or any 545 00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:50,360 Speaker 1: of your other you know, black friends. UM, I was 546 00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:54,080 Speaker 1: so exhausted, so tired. You know. It's like it was 547 00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:56,680 Speaker 1: as if there was like a call that went out 548 00:31:56,680 --> 00:31:58,520 Speaker 1: that said, check on your black friends, and I was like, 549 00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:01,160 Speaker 1: your black friends, just hold on. I don't I don't. 550 00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:04,240 Speaker 1: I don't need you all to call me because I'm tired, okay, 551 00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:06,840 Speaker 1: and I don't want to talk right now. And I 552 00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:12,120 Speaker 1: was sitting in my house, unbathed, without brushing my teeth, exhausted, 553 00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:15,200 Speaker 1: I didn't want to talk to anybody, and it was 554 00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:19,520 Speaker 1: blackout Tuesday, and I talked to the only people I 555 00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:22,120 Speaker 1: really want to talk to. Was the only person I 556 00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:23,800 Speaker 1: really want to talk to, you was lovey at Gi 557 00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:27,000 Speaker 1: Jones was a good girlfriend, and you know, she's a 558 00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:29,760 Speaker 1: she calls herself the professional troublemaker, and that's the only 559 00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:31,280 Speaker 1: person I really want to talk to, because I was like, girl, 560 00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:35,040 Speaker 1: how can we start some trouble? Okay? Um? But through 561 00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:38,560 Speaker 1: that conversation and talking to Glenn and Doyle a you know, 562 00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:42,320 Speaker 1: and Stacy bend it Um, we came up with the 563 00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:47,880 Speaker 1: idea and the idea to find white women who had 564 00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:52,880 Speaker 1: big platforms, you know, who have followings who may not 565 00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:58,400 Speaker 1: actually be very diverse in their own curated social channels, right, 566 00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:00,600 Speaker 1: because not even so much about you, but it's like, 567 00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:02,920 Speaker 1: you know, the people who follow you, who have decided 568 00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:06,040 Speaker 1: who they're following, and perhaps it's not as diverse, and 569 00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:11,080 Speaker 1: so how could we insert a different narrative into those platforms. 570 00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:15,160 Speaker 1: And what I have to say about you, sister, is 571 00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:20,120 Speaker 1: that I think I texted you maybe like three lines, 572 00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:21,640 Speaker 1: like I was like, girl, this is what we're gonna do. 573 00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:27,040 Speaker 1: You down, and you didn't. You didn't ask me who 574 00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:30,240 Speaker 1: else was gonna do it. You didn't say what do 575 00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:33,280 Speaker 1: I have to do? You didn't say when do I 576 00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:35,200 Speaker 1: have to do it? And what did you say? No? 577 00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:40,640 Speaker 1: You just said yes. You just said yes. And I 578 00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:43,880 Speaker 1: don't think we have actually had that conversation of how 579 00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:47,280 Speaker 1: what that meant to me? You know how how much 580 00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:55,400 Speaker 1: it meant because your simple yes, without any qualifiers, was 581 00:33:55,520 --> 00:34:01,719 Speaker 1: affirmation that not only as your black girlfriend, but just 582 00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:06,200 Speaker 1: as a human being who you support and love and 583 00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:09,000 Speaker 1: that you trust. And I was not feeling that in 584 00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:12,600 Speaker 1: the world. So thank you for doing that. Well, you're welcome. 585 00:34:12,640 --> 00:34:15,360 Speaker 1: I mean, honestly, I can't give myself a pat on 586 00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:17,000 Speaker 1: the back, because, first of all, I want to be 587 00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:19,080 Speaker 1: a part of anything you do, because you're badass. You're 588 00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:26,040 Speaker 1: badass bows. Second of all, I think that I had 589 00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:27,520 Speaker 1: a feeling. I was like, Oh, she's about to do 590 00:34:27,560 --> 00:34:31,120 Speaker 1: some she's about to do some wild ship. Let's go. 591 00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:34,839 Speaker 1: I don't know what it is. But and sure enough 592 00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:38,759 Speaker 1: we did some wild ship and then everybody followed suit. 593 00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:42,280 Speaker 1: It was like, and that was great, Like oh my gosh, 594 00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:45,600 Speaker 1: so many other hashtags and things like that that Mike 595 00:34:45,640 --> 00:34:48,759 Speaker 1: came out and I thought that was great. But um, 596 00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:51,200 Speaker 1: it was my honor and my privilege to be a 597 00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:53,040 Speaker 1: part of something like that. I'm so glad you guys 598 00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:56,040 Speaker 1: put that together. It was so wonderful. And I really 599 00:34:56,080 --> 00:35:01,120 Speaker 1: do love seeing the generation and you know that have 600 00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:03,479 Speaker 1: come out of it. Like I think yesterday somebody tags 601 00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:06,280 Speaker 1: me and like, uh, you know, share the mic now doctors. 602 00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:09,200 Speaker 1: I was like, oh, we got we got doctors sharing 603 00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:11,719 Speaker 1: the mic. That's that's fantastic. Go ahead, John'll do it. 604 00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:15,120 Speaker 1: So did the birth of Share the Mic come out 605 00:35:15,239 --> 00:35:22,520 Speaker 1: of just purely your exhaustion through everything that was happening. Yes, yes, 606 00:35:22,719 --> 00:35:24,959 Speaker 1: And I this is what I actually told Glennan, which 607 00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:29,719 Speaker 1: was that, like, I was so tired of screaming into 608 00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:32,840 Speaker 1: the wind. That's what it feels like. I was, like, 609 00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:35,759 Speaker 1: I have been saying this for years. I have been 610 00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:39,640 Speaker 1: talking at the top of my lungs, and it feels 611 00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:41,680 Speaker 1: like I'm just screaming into the wind and just coming 612 00:35:41,719 --> 00:35:44,920 Speaker 1: back in my face, you know. And so I was like, 613 00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:47,720 Speaker 1: I need some new spaces. I need I need different 614 00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:51,319 Speaker 1: places where people haven't heard this before and that's going 615 00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:54,640 Speaker 1: to make the difference. And so yes, it was you 616 00:35:55,160 --> 00:36:01,919 Speaker 1: and Arianna Huffington and Julian Robbert. Don't you just say 617 00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:05,520 Speaker 1: the zoom? The first zoom we had, I was looking 618 00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:11,200 Speaker 1: through and I was like, oh, we're Bree Lawson, like, oh, 619 00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:16,719 Speaker 1: we'd athlete Judd, Yeah, right like and then and then 620 00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:20,040 Speaker 1: it was just like and then the athletes and yes, 621 00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:24,279 Speaker 1: Mandy Moore, Yes, this is us. And then it was 622 00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:26,520 Speaker 1: and then it was just so funny because Glennon was 623 00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:28,280 Speaker 1: there and we were all just kind of like, oh, hello, 624 00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:32,520 Speaker 1: this is so normal, Like we're all here, very normal, casual. 625 00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:35,400 Speaker 1: It's just a cassual day where a bunch of powerful 626 00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:38,200 Speaker 1: black and white women get together to change the world. Yes. 627 00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:40,319 Speaker 1: And then of course I was looking up a lot 628 00:36:40,360 --> 00:36:42,000 Speaker 1: of the black women. I was like, oh, I already 629 00:36:42,040 --> 00:36:45,879 Speaker 1: followed her. That's like Rachel Cargole, Oh my gosh, because 630 00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:49,600 Speaker 1: she's just like, spit it to you truthfully and directly, 631 00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:54,280 Speaker 1: and I love that. I love her page and even Opal, 632 00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:58,760 Speaker 1: who I did share the mic with, such a sweet, kind, 633 00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:03,120 Speaker 1: soft spoken woman who has so much fire in her 634 00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:05,880 Speaker 1: that has done so much with Black Lives Matter. I 635 00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:08,520 Speaker 1: was honored to have her take over my Instagram. So, 636 00:37:09,080 --> 00:37:11,120 Speaker 1: I mean, I just think that you guys did a 637 00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:14,040 Speaker 1: fantastic job and I'm excited to see where else it 638 00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:18,240 Speaker 1: goes and um and how this just continues to change 639 00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:21,279 Speaker 1: people's perspective and how they're continuing to learn and grow 640 00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:24,560 Speaker 1: from this, because this was a great tool, I think 641 00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:28,800 Speaker 1: for black women to get things off of their chest 642 00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:31,640 Speaker 1: that they wanted to that they've been saying on their 643 00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:35,440 Speaker 1: own socials, but they could say it on a white 644 00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:41,319 Speaker 1: woman's social Who those followers, we're probably not following her? 645 00:37:42,080 --> 00:37:44,799 Speaker 1: And I thought that was I thought that was just 646 00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:47,000 Speaker 1: that was the key thing there, and that was fantastic. 647 00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:50,280 Speaker 1: My followers loved it. They thought that they missed opal. 648 00:37:50,719 --> 00:37:53,360 Speaker 1: They were d M me me, like, did Chicaroty come on? 649 00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:56,520 Speaker 1: Like where was she? I've been waiting all day? And 650 00:37:56,560 --> 00:38:01,520 Speaker 1: I'm like, sorry her timing. You're like, I'm sorry, It's 651 00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:05,480 Speaker 1: just me, you know, Like I think I think it's 652 00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:07,600 Speaker 1: just it was so it was so wonderful. It was 653 00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:11,719 Speaker 1: really a great exercise, and um, I shared the mic 654 00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:16,160 Speaker 1: with UH, with Courtney Kardashian and so even on her 655 00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:20,760 Speaker 1: you know socials and with her followers who definitely weren't 656 00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:23,080 Speaker 1: in my space, you know, and I wasn't in theirs. 657 00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:27,239 Speaker 1: UM was really fascinating, you know, to to be on 658 00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:31,200 Speaker 1: the live and to see their comments and to interact. UM. 659 00:38:31,239 --> 00:38:33,400 Speaker 1: And I really do hope, I hope that it it 660 00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:36,200 Speaker 1: opened up, you know, a window that we are going 661 00:38:36,239 --> 00:38:39,360 Speaker 1: to be able to see more people who are willing 662 00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:43,759 Speaker 1: to listen to people who are not like them, you know, 663 00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:47,680 Speaker 1: and to hear opinions that they didn't know were even 664 00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:51,520 Speaker 1: you know, founded. And so I really truly hope that 665 00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:54,560 Speaker 1: that's happening. UM, we'll sign me up for the next one. 666 00:38:54,560 --> 00:38:56,960 Speaker 1: I'm ready, girl, Okay, you know I got I got 667 00:38:57,000 --> 00:39:00,400 Speaker 1: your phone number. Girl, I'm willing. UM. But actually speaking 668 00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:03,359 Speaker 1: of that, speaking of hope, can you talk about what 669 00:39:03,640 --> 00:39:06,799 Speaker 1: is hopeful? Like? What are you hopeful about? What are 670 00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:09,239 Speaker 1: the things that you know, even in this time as 671 00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:13,279 Speaker 1: we've talked about COVID and all your businesses, I'm sure 672 00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:16,320 Speaker 1: there's you know, some changes that have been made because 673 00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:18,640 Speaker 1: of it, you know, and the ways that you're going 674 00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:21,799 Speaker 1: to try to innovate in this time. Um, what are 675 00:39:21,840 --> 00:39:25,960 Speaker 1: your hopes for the near future even as we continue 676 00:39:26,080 --> 00:39:29,879 Speaker 1: on in this space? You know the biggest thing. I mean, 677 00:39:30,239 --> 00:39:33,560 Speaker 1: I think every every category has a different hope, and 678 00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:36,640 Speaker 1: like in businesses, I really hope that a lot of 679 00:39:36,680 --> 00:39:39,080 Speaker 1: the people who have lost their jobs come out of 680 00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:42,319 Speaker 1: this and find success on the other side. I think 681 00:39:42,719 --> 00:39:46,200 Speaker 1: for me as a mother right now, UM, I am 682 00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:50,960 Speaker 1: so incredibly hopeful for my son who is black and 683 00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:56,000 Speaker 1: he is now in a an era where things are 684 00:39:56,040 --> 00:40:00,000 Speaker 1: shifting and changing. And when I got pregnant, I thought 685 00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:02,479 Speaker 1: about how I'm going to be raising a young black 686 00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:06,120 Speaker 1: boy in this era, in this generation. What does that mean? 687 00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:10,960 Speaker 1: And now knowing what I know and seeing a change 688 00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:13,320 Speaker 1: that's happening, and it may not be happening as quickly 689 00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:15,280 Speaker 1: as we may all like it to be, but it's happening. 690 00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:20,200 Speaker 1: Gives me hope and it gives a perspective of clarity 691 00:40:20,239 --> 00:40:23,480 Speaker 1: that he may be okay later. He's going to have 692 00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:26,239 Speaker 1: a great life regardless of everything that's happening. And I'm 693 00:40:26,239 --> 00:40:29,640 Speaker 1: hopeful for America. I'm hopeful that COVID is going to 694 00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:32,960 Speaker 1: um that we're gonna fight it, and that we're going 695 00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:35,360 Speaker 1: to come on the other side of this because it 696 00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:39,400 Speaker 1: has been incredibly detrimental to to the world and also 697 00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:45,600 Speaker 1: to America. Alright, y'all, that was my friend, home girl 698 00:40:47,080 --> 00:40:51,400 Speaker 1: model producer. I mean she does everything. That was Ashley 699 00:40:51,440 --> 00:41:01,879 Speaker 1: Grant and does it for this week's episode of Back 700 00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:04,279 Speaker 1: to Biz with Katie and Bows. But you can check 701 00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:06,960 Speaker 1: out more of our episodes and our roster of very 702 00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:10,279 Speaker 1: impressive guests at Apple Podcast, the I Heart Radio app, 703 00:41:10,360 --> 00:41:12,879 Speaker 1: or wherever you get your favorite shows. 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