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Speaker 1: with the Havardy cheese conversation. That's right. Havardy cheese is

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Speaker 1: known as Steve's favorite sandwich cheese. That's right. I did

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Speaker 1: it until you mentioned It's ma We got it some

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Speaker 1: specialty store and it's one of the It's a white

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Speaker 1: I mean it's awesome. Right. Those are the kind of

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Speaker 1: so you gotta let's have something with it. It's a

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Speaker 1: you know. Even so, like on a ruben sandwich, which

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Speaker 1: I think it would be very difficult to find someone

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Speaker 1: I mean, even even the sandwiches that are more than sandwich,

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Speaker 1: has merit, but it does not top a I'm not

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Speaker 1: grilled sandwich of any cuts. Right, I'm not saying I'm

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Speaker 1: any cold sandwich you can grab. Yeah, Now, I like

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Speaker 1: that comes out of that. But we'll have to wait

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Speaker 1: and see. So you know, where does that go? I

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Speaker 1: don't know. I just I thought, since it had been

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Speaker 1: getting a ton of coverage, at the very least we

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Speaker 1: mentioned it. The Rams celebrated with their Super Bowl victory parade.

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Speaker 1: They have a fan rally at the LA Coliseum as well.

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Speaker 1: It was hard not to notice on social media that

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Speaker 1: Bills fans seeing that the Rams were having their parade

428
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Speaker 1: today and obviously the weather's fantastic out there, they said

429
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Speaker 1: it would have been a good day for a parade

430
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Speaker 1: here in Buffalo because it's about fifty degrees today and

431
00:23:45,680 --> 00:23:47,840
Speaker 1: it's sunny. It is a little windy, but it's the

432
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Speaker 1: warmest day we've had in weeks, weeks, months probably. So

433
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Speaker 1: people are still lamenting that fact and that the Bills,

434
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Speaker 1: you know, did not get to the conference title game

435
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Speaker 1: or the Super Bowl when many thought they were playing

436
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Speaker 1: the best football they've seen them play in the McDermott era.

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Speaker 1: We've got to put it to bed and we've got

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Speaker 1: to move on. Yeah, that's the best time, and I'm

439
00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:13,880
Speaker 1: feeling better about it today. I mean now that everything's

440
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Speaker 1: we're starting to talk about everything else now and not

441
00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:20,480
Speaker 1: just you and me. But I think now that on

442
00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:22,320
Speaker 1: the horizon. I mean, the next thing we've got is

443
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Speaker 1: the combine coming up in a couple of weeks. You

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Speaker 1: and I'll be there. We'll start thinking about that franchise transitions.

445
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Speaker 1: Right after that. Free agency begins on the March sixteenth,

446
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Speaker 1: and that's always huge, And we were just going over,

447
00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:36,399
Speaker 1: you know, all the free agents that we're going to

448
00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:39,359
Speaker 1: be available all across the league. There's hundreds of names

449
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Speaker 1: that are going to be out there, and what the

450
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Speaker 1: Bills might be looking for and could be looking for.

451
00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:48,840
Speaker 1: I mean, it's you know, and plus all the stuff

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Speaker 1: that's going to be happening that's been lingering, the Aaron

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Speaker 1: Rodgers stuff. Then quarterback, you know, the head coaching, the

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Speaker 1: new head coaches and who they're gonna hire, the staff's

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Speaker 1: getting you know, lined out, and which of these which

456
00:25:01,600 --> 00:25:06,160
Speaker 1: quarterbacks are going to be switching places again. Yeah, And

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Speaker 1: it's funny because we heard all this dialogue before the

458
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Speaker 1: season was even over. You know, Seattle doesn't make the playoffs. Immediately,

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Speaker 1: the speculation is Russell Wilson's out of there and he's

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Speaker 1: not gonna want to come back. He had a list

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Speaker 1: of three teams he'd be willing to go to the

462
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Speaker 1: last year right, and ultimately he didn't go anywhere. Now,

463
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Speaker 1: the word out of Seattle is Russell Wilson may in

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Speaker 1: fact stay put. And we're hearing some of the same

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Speaker 1: things out of green Bay that Aaron Rodgers' best situation

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Speaker 1: might be the one he's already in. As long as

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Speaker 1: green Bay backs up the brinkstruck and pays him over,

468
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Speaker 1: you know, pays him somewhere near forty four million dollars

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Speaker 1: a year for two years, he'll stay right where he is. Well,

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Speaker 1: think about it. He's a back to back MVP. Hard

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Speaker 1: to imagine more leverage unless he would have won decision

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Speaker 1: in the easiest division of all time. I'm exaggerating to

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Speaker 1: make a point, but the guy's been beaten up on

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Speaker 1: Detroit and Chicago for sixteen years. I am not impressed.

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Speaker 1: You can say the same thing. You could have said

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Speaker 1: the same thing about Tom Brady back in the day.

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Speaker 1: Throughout the draft. You that it was the Dolphins, the Jets,

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Speaker 1: and the Bills for a lot of years while Tom

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Speaker 1: Brady was quarterbacking and Bill Belichick's been, you know, head

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Speaker 1: coaching the Patriots, so that that division hasn't it been

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Speaker 1: the AFC least for a long time, not so much anymore.

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Speaker 1: So I think these quarterbacks Aaron Rodgers may indeed stay put.

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Speaker 1: There's probably gonna be some suitors out there, no question.

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Speaker 1: I think if he wants to leave, he can make

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Speaker 1: it happen. If he doesn't, then you can question, and

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Speaker 1: it wouldn't be the first time to question the veracity

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Speaker 1: of everything he has set up to that point. Yeah,

488
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Speaker 1: so he might have been the whole thing might have

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Speaker 1: been smoke and mirrors. But even so, the guy, hey,

490
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Speaker 1: he put up two MVP years back to back. That's

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Speaker 1: pretty impressive. And I think we know that Rogers is

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Speaker 1: a guy that's throughout most of his career, especially the

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Speaker 1: last ten years or so, has always been posturing for

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Speaker 1: better contract, better situation, through yes, through a number of

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Speaker 1: he says he you never you never support me with

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Speaker 1: number one receivers. I don't have the weapons everybody else does,

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Speaker 1: and yet I'm an MVP. Okay, all of that. I

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00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:30,679
Speaker 1: think the thing about it is, you signed a two

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Speaker 1: year extension. He'll make forty four year for two years,

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Speaker 1: and he may be like, you know, and even at

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Speaker 1: that point, he'll be at what an eighteen year veteran

502
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Speaker 1: thirty eight years old, thirty nine years old. He might

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Speaker 1: just audios like that, like all these rams guys are

504
00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:47,200
Speaker 1: talking about doing, like Aaron Donald and McVeagh and all

505
00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:49,960
Speaker 1: these guys are saying, you know what, I'm good. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it might be good. And that's and that's the topic

507
00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:54,760
Speaker 1: of discussion we have on the table for you today.

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Speaker 1: While Aaron Rodgers certainly wouldn't be considered an early retirement

509
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Speaker 1: having played seventeen years in the league already, what about

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Speaker 1: the discussions that have come out of Los Angeles in

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Speaker 1: the last couple of days that Aaron Donald is considering

512
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Speaker 1: retiring at age thirty after eight years in the league.

513
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Speaker 1: McVeagh is considering early retirement as a head coach, something

514
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Speaker 1: he's only done for what five years and has a

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Speaker 1: Super Bowl title at least at the pro level. Could

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Speaker 1: it become a theme in the NFL where players are

517
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Speaker 1: calling it quits after winning a Super Bowl and a

518
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Speaker 1: handful of years in the league. We're asking you that

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Speaker 1: at eight oh three, oh five fifty one, eight eight

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Speaker 1: five fifty two, five fifty, So get on board with

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Speaker 1: your thoughts on that subject. If you think this could

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Speaker 1: become a trend or a theme of sorts, where players,

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Speaker 1: especially the high end ones like Aaron Donald, who have

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00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:48,960
Speaker 1: clearly made their money. I mean they've made They've got

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Speaker 1: generational wealth, not only for themselves but probably their kids

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Speaker 1: and their grandkids. You don't need any more money. You

527
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Speaker 1: got the Super Bowl, you've been to Pro Bowls, you've

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Speaker 1: been all pro what's you know? A guy like Matt Stafford,

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Speaker 1: he's got a guaranteed. He's got guaranteed ninety two million

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Speaker 1: that expires this coming year in twenty twenty three. So

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Speaker 1: he's made, you know, seventy million of that number, sixty

532
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Speaker 1: five million of it has been guaranteed. Aaron Donald's got

533
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Speaker 1: eighty six point eight million dollars guaranteed ends in twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty five. Jayalen Ramsey's got seventy one million dollars guaranteed

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00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:25,120
Speaker 1: ends in twenty twenty seven. Robert Woods has got thirty

536
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Speaker 1: two million guaranteed that ends in twenty twenty six. Leonard

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Speaker 1: Floyd's got thirty two million guaranteed and twenty has finished

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00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:34,880
Speaker 1: up in twenty twenty five. Cooper Cup's gonna make thirty

539
00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:37,040
Speaker 1: five million dollars and at he'll get all of that

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Speaker 1: by the year twenty twenty four. So you got these

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Speaker 1: guys talking about this, and we threw Aaron Rodgers into

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00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:47,480
Speaker 1: that mix as well. That let's face it, they have

543
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Speaker 1: made more money than most of us will ever see

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Speaker 1: in a lifetime of working our job, whatever it is,

545
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Speaker 1: no matter how high we go, they've already made that.

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Speaker 1: And it's sitting there in the bank, and they're twenty

547
00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:05,960
Speaker 1: eight or thirty thirty years old, and they would just

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00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:12,719
Speaker 1: want a super Bowl. It's like, uh, why not? I mean,

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Speaker 1: it's sure, it's fun to play, it's no fun. But

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Speaker 1: if you're Odell Beckham, how much fun do you think

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00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:19,600
Speaker 1: he's having right about now? Sure it's been great, but

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00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:21,840
Speaker 1: if he had you know that stack, you know, just

553
00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:25,600
Speaker 1: be like, ah, man, I gotta rehab, right, who's to

554
00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:27,640
Speaker 1: say that? He doesn't say, look, I just did this

555
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Speaker 1: rehab some of the And that's why Andrew Luck stepped away,

556
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Speaker 1: and because said, man, I've had it. I just don't

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00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:37,040
Speaker 1: want to do the rehab. Got a mountain of cash.

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Speaker 1: He's got another rehab to go. Throesday. You know what,

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Speaker 1: I'm done. I am exhausted with this. I can go.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna go play golf or just sit on an

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Speaker 1: island and relax. Let's do something else. You know, I'll

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Speaker 1: be I'll run my little businesses that I want, right,

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Speaker 1: and I'll sell smoothies, burgers. I'll have my guys train

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Speaker 1: other people. You know, just do whatever else you want

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Speaker 1: to do and never have to worry about you know

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00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:06,920
Speaker 1: where your next Ruben sandwich is gonna come from? Right? So, um,

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Speaker 1: I just it's not outlandish to me to have these

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00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:15,400
Speaker 1: guys do that. It is fun and it does tell

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Speaker 1: you for sure why that guy's playing. You got some

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00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:25,320
Speaker 1: guys that can't let go. I mean they just don't.

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Speaker 1: They won't. And you've we've seen guys, you know, they

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00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:31,960
Speaker 1: hang on to the Brett Farve. He wouldn't. He was

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Speaker 1: not going to retire. You know, there's right he may

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Speaker 1: not because I'll say this, and Peyton Manning told me

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Speaker 1: this one time. I believe it was Peyton he said,

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Speaker 1: and I said, what about you know, how are you play?

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00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:47,120
Speaker 1: He was listening. He goes, there's only one place you

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00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:51,080
Speaker 1: can be a quarterback. There's only one place where you

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00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:53,120
Speaker 1: got this job, and you can do this job and

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00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:56,880
Speaker 1: have this much fun and this is it so and

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00:31:56,960 --> 00:32:00,840
Speaker 1: when you quit, it ain't like you can go do

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00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:03,560
Speaker 1: something else. Yeah, you've got to be done with it.

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Speaker 1: When you're done, very few things measure up to it. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and I get it. But that's that's a guy. That's

585
00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:14,800
Speaker 1: guys who do it for something other than the money.

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00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:18,400
Speaker 1: If you're doing it just for the money, once you

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00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:21,240
Speaker 1: get it, we've seen it. We've seen it time and

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00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:23,760
Speaker 1: time again with other players. They get paid or they

589
00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:27,680
Speaker 1: reach that goal. You can tell when they're done, even

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00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:31,880
Speaker 1: when they're still on the team. In certain Marcel Darius

591
00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:38,440
Speaker 1: joke here, you know, they just disappear. Ye, So I

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00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:43,920
Speaker 1: get it. It's it's a real conversation. It's not a

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00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:46,840
Speaker 1: crazy conversation. Yeah, And it's a conversation we're gonna have

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Speaker 1: with you today at eight three five fifty one, eight

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Speaker 1: eight five fifty two, five fifty will Aaron Donald and

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Speaker 1: Sean mcvay's early retirement talk become a theme or a

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Speaker 1: trend for players calling it quits after winning US Super Bowl.

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Speaker 1: Want your thoughts on that, hit us up on the

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Speaker 1: tweet sheet or give us a call. Open lines for

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Speaker 1: you there. Steve and I back in a second here

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Speaker 1: on One Bill's Live presented by Kalida Health, It's Buffalo

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Speaker 1: Bill's Radio. All right, welcome back to One Bill's Live

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Speaker 1: christ Round. Steve Gaster with you discussing some of the

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Speaker 1: early retirement talk by Aaron Donald as well as Sean McVay. Now,

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Speaker 1: some of you might think, Wow, they're just posturing for

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Speaker 1: more money, threatening to retire, get the team to beg

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00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:41,200
Speaker 1: them to come back. Oh, don't go anywhere, We'll pay

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00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:43,360
Speaker 1: you more money. Yeah, that could be part of it.

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Speaker 1: I'm not naive enough to think it isn't. There are

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Speaker 1: all kinds of different tactics to improve one's standing or

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Speaker 1: contract status. I don't debate that for a second, but

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Speaker 1: some of it's legit. I remember the linebacker for the

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Speaker 1: forty nine ers, Patrick Willis, eight years done, just okay.

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Speaker 1: It was a multi year Pro Bowl linebacker, like probably

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Speaker 1: one of the six or seven best linebackers in the

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Speaker 1: entire league, and just said, yeah, I'm good. I mean.

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Speaker 1: And also, here's something that most people can relate to.

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Speaker 1: If they have a job that's kind of got some

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Speaker 1: stress in it, you know, or you gotta do something

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Speaker 1: and you've got to get it done. There's a lot

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Speaker 1: of people depending on you, and I think about the

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00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:24,439
Speaker 1: stress as a head coach in the NFL is under

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Speaker 1: with an owner who's paying him a lot of money,

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Speaker 1: and players and fan base and the public scrutiny of

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Speaker 1: him and his family. You're living in the spotlight in

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00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:36,640
Speaker 1: his fish bowl. And no matter what city you're in,

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Speaker 1: whether you're in LA or whether you're in Buffalo or

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00:34:38,200 --> 00:34:40,560
Speaker 1: Green Bay or whatever, you you've got some pressure on

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Speaker 1: you to do your job and do it well. And

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Speaker 1: there's no hiding from a win loss record, whatever it

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Speaker 1: is it is, and you got to grind it and

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Speaker 1: keep it going. Even if you win a Super Bowl.

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00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:54,560
Speaker 1: The pressure doesn't stop there. You gotta let's go. You

634
00:34:54,640 --> 00:34:57,120
Speaker 1: got OTAs, you got that. You know it's a grind, right,

635
00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:01,600
Speaker 1: So you got that. Say you're show on this Sean McVeigh,

636
00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:04,960
Speaker 1: and you're you're young and you've just gone through this

637
00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:07,279
Speaker 1: five years where you went to a Super Bowl, got

638
00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:10,040
Speaker 1: your head handed to you, buy Belichick, scored three points

639
00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:12,360
Speaker 1: in it, came back, he got there again, finally won one.

640
00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:14,640
Speaker 1: And now it's like here we go and you're at

641
00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:16,439
Speaker 1: the bottom of the end and you're gonna climb it again.

642
00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:23,160
Speaker 1: Win in in you know hindsight now not hindsight but

643
00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:26,839
Speaker 1: now or as an alternative you can say, you know what,

644
00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:30,279
Speaker 1: I'm done with that job and I'm making five or

645
00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:32,480
Speaker 1: six seven million bucks a year doing it. Thanks a lot,

646
00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:36,000
Speaker 1: appreciate it. I'm gonna pick up the phone and called ESPN,

647
00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:39,319
Speaker 1: NFL network, I'm gonna call a Fox Sports, I'm gonna

648
00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:42,760
Speaker 1: call NBCCBS. I'm gonna say, you know what, I'm the

649
00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:46,040
Speaker 1: most recent head coach of the Super Bowl winning Los

650
00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:49,719
Speaker 1: Angeles Rams, and I want to do work for you

651
00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:52,440
Speaker 1: for and do games or whatever, and for you know,

652
00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:55,160
Speaker 1: for half of that, say three point five million, I

653
00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:57,279
Speaker 1: think he'd make more than right, he made he could.

654
00:35:57,480 --> 00:35:59,560
Speaker 1: Romo makes seventeen million, right, but he had to go

655
00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:01,319
Speaker 1: through one contract to get there. Right, you have to

656
00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:03,279
Speaker 1: prove it, right, So anyway, give me a give me

657
00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:06,439
Speaker 1: a five million dollar year, prove a deal and I'll

658
00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:08,080
Speaker 1: come over. And you know what, the first thing you

659
00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:09,680
Speaker 1: noted and I did this too, when I when I

660
00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:11,560
Speaker 1: first stepped in the booth, it was a Buffalo Bills

661
00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:15,000
Speaker 1: game in San Diego, Ryan Leef's first game, Doug Flutie,

662
00:36:15,080 --> 00:36:17,000
Speaker 1: Rob Johnson. It was my first game in the booth

663
00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:20,040
Speaker 1: in San Diego. They kicked the ball off and for

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Speaker 1: the first time in thirteen years. I didn't have a scoreboard.

665
00:36:26,120 --> 00:36:28,759
Speaker 1: I wanted the Bills to win kind of see, you know,

666
00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:31,799
Speaker 1: because they were my I didn't care. I was no skin.

667
00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:34,080
Speaker 1: I had no skin in the game anymore. I don't

668
00:36:34,080 --> 00:36:37,480
Speaker 1: have a scoreboard. I'm in the booth. Tony Romo, Sean McVay,

669
00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:41,880
Speaker 1: John Madden. Nobody is beating their brains out about the

670
00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:43,680
Speaker 1: score of the game or who was in there on

671
00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:45,800
Speaker 1: a third and short with two minutes to go in

672
00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:51,560
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl. Nobody's second. Guess there's no pressure. Yeah,

673
00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:57,759
Speaker 1: there's none. There's no stress in comparison. Yeah, I mean

674
00:36:57,800 --> 00:36:59,840
Speaker 1: I knew this too. It was great the guys in

675
00:36:59,920 --> 00:37:02,160
Speaker 1: the truck because they were all you know, a lot

676
00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:03,640
Speaker 1: of the guys in the truck and working behind the

677
00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:05,520
Speaker 1: scenes in the NFL have some sports back around. They

678
00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:09,000
Speaker 1: played high school football, college football, small college football, small

679
00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:13,479
Speaker 1: college baseball, you name it, the whole gamut. Those guys

680
00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:16,600
Speaker 1: are palpitating just hoping they get the graphic upright, and

681
00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:19,360
Speaker 1: you know, and the graphic this, you gotta spell this

682
00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:22,040
Speaker 1: guy's name right, you gotta do you know, stuff like that.

683
00:37:22,040 --> 00:37:28,120
Speaker 1: That's the stress. And I'm like, guys that nobody cares

684
00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:31,640
Speaker 1: you know, if you if you have to pull the

685
00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:34,040
Speaker 1: graphic down real quick because you had a number off,

686
00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:39,759
Speaker 1: Nobody he's gonna care. Just just show the game there.

687
00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:42,239
Speaker 1: And that's the thing. A guy like Sean mcvagh, he

688
00:37:42,239 --> 00:37:44,719
Speaker 1: can retire and man, nobody's beating his brains out on

689
00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:48,160
Speaker 1: Monday morning over a third and two missed call. That

690
00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:50,359
Speaker 1: is just no straight you can go. He can tee

691
00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:53,880
Speaker 1: it up nine am on Monday morning and get that

692
00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:57,319
Speaker 1: game not even a second thought. Yeah, And that's just

693
00:37:57,840 --> 00:38:00,560
Speaker 1: that's something that when you go through the grinder like

694
00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:04,400
Speaker 1: these head coaches do and then these coordinators everybody gms.

695
00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:07,840
Speaker 1: You go through that grinder for you know, any amounting

696
00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:10,240
Speaker 1: a handful of years, it's like, give me a break,

697
00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:14,280
Speaker 1: and that's it looks pretty good to him. Well, yeah,

698
00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:18,000
Speaker 1: because I think we've all been around football long enough

699
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:21,120
Speaker 1: to know the meat grinder that the coaching profession is,

700
00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:24,040
Speaker 1: the hours you have to dedicate, the sacrifices you have

701
00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:27,239
Speaker 1: to make with your family. I mean, it's all consuming,

702
00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:30,880
Speaker 1: so honest, you can understand why even some of the youngest,

703
00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:34,560
Speaker 1: most energetic coaches like McVeigh may want to come up

704
00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:41,000
Speaker 1: for air. Exact take a breath exactly exactly. And I'm

705
00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:44,120
Speaker 1: not saying now here's this too. And I've said it

706
00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:47,479
Speaker 1: and I've say it again. Coaching is not a job.

707
00:38:47,640 --> 00:38:51,080
Speaker 1: It's not even a career. It is a lifestyle. Yeah,

708
00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:57,600
Speaker 1: most of these guys are coaches because it's their life's work.

709
00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:01,800
Speaker 1: They don't want to do anything else. And I totally

710
00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:04,640
Speaker 1: appreciate and respect that a ton. There's a lot of

711
00:39:04,640 --> 00:39:08,799
Speaker 1: honor in that job and it's a sacred vocation where

712
00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:12,239
Speaker 1: you can change young men's lives. And they and there

713
00:39:12,239 --> 00:39:15,440
Speaker 1: are coaches even now, some of who have passed away

714
00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:18,960
Speaker 1: that I still get teary eyed over thinking about what

715
00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:23,040
Speaker 1: they did for me. Right, And yeah, this guy Marvin Chicago,

716
00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:24,640
Speaker 1: I got a chance to say hi to him this life.

717
00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:27,759
Speaker 1: There are they, it is. There is no job like

718
00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:32,000
Speaker 1: coaching young guys and making them better and helping them

719
00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:34,680
Speaker 1: and helping them achieve dreams like I've achieved. At the

720
00:39:34,719 --> 00:39:38,279
Speaker 1: same time, it's an enormous personal commitment, it is, But

721
00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:42,439
Speaker 1: the reward is commensurate with sacrifice, and that's what That's

722
00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:45,000
Speaker 1: what people don't get the reward that a coach gets,

723
00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:49,400
Speaker 1: certainly financial, but also the joy and the reward that

724
00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:51,720
Speaker 1: you get in the fulfillment of doing it and changing

725
00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:56,960
Speaker 1: guy's lives. Isn't opium all its own? Yeah, let's go

726
00:39:57,000 --> 00:40:00,320
Speaker 1: to the phones and check in with Kevin in Hamburg.

727
00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:01,759
Speaker 1: What do you have first, Kevin? Guys, how are you

728
00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:04,319
Speaker 1: doing things for? Thinking? My call? I don't know so

729
00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:07,240
Speaker 1: much about coaching. I know it's more mental, but football

730
00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:10,120
Speaker 1: physically because it's such a violent game. And he said

731
00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:13,279
Speaker 1: about the super Bowl and all that. Barry Standard never

732
00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:16,600
Speaker 1: won a super Bowl, but the physical abuse he took

733
00:40:17,160 --> 00:40:21,600
Speaker 1: maybe because the Lions stunk mostly. Um, he when you

734
00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:25,960
Speaker 1: can't feel it anymore, I think it's time to step away. Um.

735
00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:29,120
Speaker 1: You don't want to do what people call the Muhammad

736
00:40:29,160 --> 00:40:32,360
Speaker 1: Ali mistake of going two more things like he should

737
00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:35,520
Speaker 1: have never fought home is in berbick. He just added

738
00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:38,319
Speaker 1: the more beatings and more brain damage and now he

739
00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:40,560
Speaker 1: wasn't worth the hill of beans even before he got

740
00:40:40,600 --> 00:40:45,239
Speaker 1: real bad. It's not worth it sometimes, you know, if

741
00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:47,799
Speaker 1: you win a super Bowl, great, but he never did.

742
00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:50,400
Speaker 1: But it was just like, this ain't worth it anymore.

743
00:40:51,120 --> 00:40:52,879
Speaker 1: I want to be worth the hill of beans when

744
00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:55,759
Speaker 1: I retired, to not be like a girl, you know,

745
00:40:55,880 --> 00:40:59,040
Speaker 1: like and all that, Right, right, Yeah, and there's always

746
00:40:59,080 --> 00:41:01,320
Speaker 1: a risk. And that's not even for somebody who's accomplished

747
00:41:01,360 --> 00:41:03,200
Speaker 1: anything in the league. It's something you sign up for,

748
00:41:03,719 --> 00:41:06,440
Speaker 1: no question about it, whether it's worth the risk or not.

749
00:41:06,520 --> 00:41:08,799
Speaker 1: Every player has to make that decision, not just every

750
00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:13,000
Speaker 1: year when after the season's over, but every game. Yeah,

751
00:41:13,040 --> 00:41:16,400
Speaker 1: every game, So that never goes That's part of the

752
00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:19,880
Speaker 1: constant lifestyle you choose as a pro athlete, not just

753
00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:22,480
Speaker 1: in football, but every other sport as well. Yeah, we

754
00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:24,880
Speaker 1: have to take a break here when we come back.

755
00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:29,600
Speaker 1: Zach Taylor, he of the new contract extension as head

756
00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:34,040
Speaker 1: coach of the Cincinnati Bengals, had a very upfront and

757
00:41:34,280 --> 00:41:38,440
Speaker 1: frank response as to why Joe Mixon was not on

758
00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:41,280
Speaker 1: the field and in the game on their critical third

759
00:41:41,320 --> 00:41:44,560
Speaker 1: and two play, let alone the fourth and two play

760
00:41:44,640 --> 00:41:47,879
Speaker 1: after that at the end of the game. We'll get

761
00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:49,839
Speaker 1: to that when we return here. On one Bill's Live

762
00:41:49,880 --> 00:42:06,239
Speaker 1: presented by Kalid to Health, It's Buffalo Bills Radio. All right,

763
00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:09,279
Speaker 1: So we were talking about on Monday and even a

764
00:42:09,320 --> 00:42:13,080
Speaker 1: little bit on Tuesday, the final offensive series for the

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00:42:13,120 --> 00:42:17,799
Speaker 1: Bengals and how on third and one Somaj p Ryan

766
00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:20,600
Speaker 1: is somehow on the field instead of Joe Mixon, and

767
00:42:20,680 --> 00:42:24,719
Speaker 1: they run the ball and p Ryan gets stopped at

768
00:42:24,719 --> 00:42:26,799
Speaker 1: the line of scrimmage. No game. Now it's fourth and

769
00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:30,600
Speaker 1: one and pressure gets to Burrow, he gets sacked by

770
00:42:30,600 --> 00:42:34,360
Speaker 1: Aaron Donald. The game's over and p Ryan was on

771
00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:37,000
Speaker 1: the field for fourth and one as well. Game on

772
00:42:37,040 --> 00:42:41,440
Speaker 1: the line, super Bowl and your feature back isn't on

773
00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:45,080
Speaker 1: the field. So Zach Taylor, head coach of the Bengals,

774
00:42:45,160 --> 00:42:48,920
Speaker 1: was asked, why not Mixon on the field there instead

775
00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:51,200
Speaker 1: of p Ryan on the final drive third and one.

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00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:54,960
Speaker 1: Here is Zach Taylor's answer. Yeah, we were in a

777
00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:57,200
Speaker 1: two minute mode and Somaji has done a great job.

778
00:42:57,239 --> 00:42:59,840
Speaker 1: His role has been as a protecting back and a

779
00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:01,799
Speaker 1: lot of things that come with that and off of that.

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00:43:02,239 --> 00:43:04,239
Speaker 1: It's one of those situations where I called the play

781
00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:06,560
Speaker 1: a little later on the clock, and so I was

782
00:43:06,600 --> 00:43:09,000
Speaker 1: the one that said leave him in there. Justin Hill,

783
00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:11,520
Speaker 1: our running backs coach asked if we wanted to make

784
00:43:11,520 --> 00:43:14,279
Speaker 1: a change, I said, just leave sam Aj in there.

785
00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:17,279
Speaker 1: Obviously it didn't work out for us. Whether Joe is

786
00:43:17,320 --> 00:43:21,000
Speaker 1: in there mixing or not, he's certainly deserving the opportunity

787
00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:23,120
Speaker 1: in a key moment, in a key game to try

788
00:43:23,120 --> 00:43:25,320
Speaker 1: to get it for us as our featured back. But again,

789
00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:27,640
Speaker 1: that's just one of the decisions you make in the

790
00:43:27,680 --> 00:43:30,239
Speaker 1: moment and you've got to move forward with it. There's

791
00:43:30,239 --> 00:43:32,200
Speaker 1: other things I certainly could have done over the course

792
00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:33,960
Speaker 1: of the game that would have put us in better position.

793
00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:37,640
Speaker 1: Unfortunately we couldn't get it done. I gotta give Zach

794
00:43:37,680 --> 00:43:41,719
Speaker 1: Taylor a lot of credit for that answer, because not

795
00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:45,400
Speaker 1: only did he take responsibility for it, wishing he had

796
00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:47,399
Speaker 1: gotten the play call in a little sooner to maybe

797
00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:51,160
Speaker 1: allow for a substitution. So he puts that on himself

798
00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:53,680
Speaker 1: because a lot of times you hear at coaches say

799
00:43:54,160 --> 00:43:57,080
Speaker 1: I'll shoulder the responsibility. I've got to be better on that.

800
00:43:57,080 --> 00:44:00,160
Speaker 1: That's on me. Without getting into detail. Zach Taylor got

801
00:44:00,200 --> 00:44:02,200
Speaker 1: into an awful lot of detail with that answer. Yeah,

802
00:44:02,200 --> 00:44:05,359
Speaker 1: it's it's sure smacked of authenticity, no question, And I

803
00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:08,880
Speaker 1: think too. And as I read that myself, I thought,

804
00:44:08,920 --> 00:44:11,440
Speaker 1: you know that that there's a lot in there that

805
00:44:11,520 --> 00:44:14,360
Speaker 1: I that I see as a former player. This is

806
00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:17,120
Speaker 1: a head coach and an assistant coach, somebody who's on

807
00:44:17,120 --> 00:44:20,080
Speaker 1: the field with these guys and your team all season

808
00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:22,359
Speaker 1: from the offseason, and you see these guys every day,

809
00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:25,080
Speaker 1: their family. You love every one of them. And that's

810
00:44:25,080 --> 00:44:29,440
Speaker 1: why a guy like Simanji p Rhyan the coach is like, like,

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Speaker 1: I trust him, Yeah, he's all right, work, We're gonna

812
00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:34,879
Speaker 1: be fine. This is a third and a half and

813
00:44:34,920 --> 00:44:36,879
Speaker 1: we could switch it out. But even if we switch

814
00:44:36,880 --> 00:44:39,480
Speaker 1: it out, they're gonna see Joe Mixon coming in. They're

815
00:44:39,480 --> 00:44:41,279
Speaker 1: gonna say, okay, now Joe is now, I see they're

816
00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:44,080
Speaker 1: switching him out, and he's gonna get And Plus, it

817
00:44:44,120 --> 00:44:48,400
Speaker 1: took a superhuman effort on Aaron Donald's part to stop it.

818
00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:51,799
Speaker 1: You had the best defensive player of his generation, making

819
00:44:51,840 --> 00:44:55,640
Speaker 1: him really phenomenal stop to stonewall the play that was

820
00:44:55,680 --> 00:44:58,120
Speaker 1: actually there to be made. It's like a third and

821
00:44:58,120 --> 00:44:59,560
Speaker 1: one and if and if he gets that, if p

822
00:44:59,719 --> 00:45:04,000
Speaker 1: Ryan it even by half a yard, that play is forgotten.

823
00:45:04,680 --> 00:45:08,120
Speaker 1: It is. But what you just said kind of almost

824
00:45:08,160 --> 00:45:11,400
Speaker 1: reinforces the argument for Mixon to be on the field.

825
00:45:11,440 --> 00:45:14,160
Speaker 1: You just said it took a superhuman play by the

826
00:45:14,200 --> 00:45:16,440
Speaker 1: best defensive player on the field and Aaron Donald to

827
00:45:16,640 --> 00:45:20,160
Speaker 1: stop that play. Why not fight fire with fire, go

828
00:45:20,280 --> 00:45:24,120
Speaker 1: best on best in that spot. And I think even

829
00:45:24,120 --> 00:45:25,960
Speaker 1: if they know what's coming at least, we're going with

830
00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:29,239
Speaker 1: our best here guy. I think it comes down to

831
00:45:29,280 --> 00:45:31,600
Speaker 1: trusting the guy that's actually in there. Yeah, they knew,

832
00:45:31,719 --> 00:45:35,600
Speaker 1: they figured and then thought felt p Ryan would get it.

833
00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:38,400
Speaker 1: And there's no guarantee that if Joe Mixon is in

834
00:45:38,440 --> 00:45:41,040
Speaker 1: there he gets it. Yeah. I mean, you're just giving

835
00:45:41,080 --> 00:45:43,680
Speaker 1: it to him and saying, well, he would have gotten it.

836
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Speaker 1: I don't know. The simple fact the matter is coaches

837
00:45:48,200 --> 00:45:53,560
Speaker 1: get in there and they don't see the vast obvious

838
00:45:53,600 --> 00:45:57,480
Speaker 1: difference between p Ryan and Joe Mixon that the media

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Speaker 1: and now the fans are piling on saying, how can

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00:45:59,680 --> 00:46:04,319
Speaker 1: you not consider that pe Ryan would have been his?

841
00:46:05,520 --> 00:46:07,759
Speaker 1: And he said in earlier in the answers, like, hey,

842
00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:09,560
Speaker 1: that guy's in there because Pete runs in there, because

843
00:46:09,560 --> 00:46:12,600
Speaker 1: he's a protection guy. We trust him in there, we

844
00:46:12,640 --> 00:46:14,960
Speaker 1: trust him, and we got late in the play clocks

845
00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:17,200
Speaker 1: and it's like, nah, we're all right, p Ryan's got it.

846
00:46:17,760 --> 00:46:19,920
Speaker 1: You know. That's the kind of attitude they have towards

847
00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:23,279
Speaker 1: all of their players. Certainly, there's certain plays and stuff

848
00:46:23,560 --> 00:46:25,239
Speaker 1: you put it in there because your guy's in there,

849
00:46:25,239 --> 00:46:27,880
Speaker 1: and all this a dive off the right side is

850
00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:29,960
Speaker 1: not a play where it's like, hey, we've got to

851
00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:32,120
Speaker 1: have Joe in there for this one. It's a it's

852
00:46:32,120 --> 00:46:35,560
Speaker 1: a dive play, So I do. I'm with you. I

853
00:46:35,600 --> 00:46:40,400
Speaker 1: applaud Zach Taylor for coming clean about it. Certainly there's,

854
00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:42,279
Speaker 1: you know, stuff that can be said about it. I'm

855
00:46:42,320 --> 00:46:45,719
Speaker 1: and I'll say it again, I am so beyond criticizing

856
00:46:45,760 --> 00:46:48,360
Speaker 1: these guys for play calls and all of that because

857
00:46:48,480 --> 00:46:51,880
Speaker 1: of stuff like I'm talking about. I know Zach Taylor

858
00:46:52,160 --> 00:46:53,839
Speaker 1: in his heart of heartsman I said, Man, I thought

859
00:46:53,880 --> 00:46:57,319
Speaker 1: pe Ryan would have been better guy anyway. You know, Um,

860
00:46:57,920 --> 00:47:00,560
Speaker 1: there's supplemented the guy that was on the field. He

861
00:47:00,600 --> 00:47:03,360
Speaker 1: then complimented his running backs coach for making him aware,

862
00:47:03,440 --> 00:47:05,520
Speaker 1: Hey do we want to put Mixing in here? And

863
00:47:05,560 --> 00:47:08,399
Speaker 1: then he compliments Mixing by saying he's our feature back

864
00:47:08,440 --> 00:47:11,560
Speaker 1: and certainly would deserve such an opportunity. Right, So, the

865
00:47:11,560 --> 00:47:14,000
Speaker 1: only person he blamed and that whole answer was himself, right,

866
00:47:14,480 --> 00:47:18,400
Speaker 1: And there's no fine. He also said that, and he

867
00:47:18,440 --> 00:47:20,560
Speaker 1: also said even went further and said, listen, there's a

868
00:47:20,600 --> 00:47:22,080
Speaker 1: lot of times during that game I could have given

869
00:47:22,120 --> 00:47:24,319
Speaker 1: us a better chance where I did stuff that didn't

870
00:47:24,360 --> 00:47:27,160
Speaker 1: work out, and that's what play calling is. If it

871
00:47:27,200 --> 00:47:32,799
Speaker 1: doesn't work, you're a bum, right, That's it. No matter

872
00:47:32,840 --> 00:47:34,799
Speaker 1: how good and how well thought out it is, how

873
00:47:34,920 --> 00:47:36,960
Speaker 1: perfect it was, and whether it was a lucky bounce

874
00:47:37,520 --> 00:47:40,880
Speaker 1: or some guy doing something off the wall to stop it,

875
00:47:41,440 --> 00:47:44,560
Speaker 1: or somebody doing you know whatever, you're a bum because

876
00:47:44,600 --> 00:47:49,120
Speaker 1: you called that play. So I'm I'm beyond this third

877
00:47:49,160 --> 00:47:51,960
Speaker 1: and one being some sort of conversation started. Listen, that

878
00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:54,919
Speaker 1: game was close the whole way through, And like every

879
00:47:54,920 --> 00:47:56,840
Speaker 1: other play the Buffalo Bills went through this year and

880
00:47:57,080 --> 00:48:00,400
Speaker 1: their season. You know, there are eleven and six season.

881
00:48:01,600 --> 00:48:06,120
Speaker 1: Six of those games were one play from being seventeen

882
00:48:06,160 --> 00:48:09,880
Speaker 1: and ozer so and the other eleven games were a

883
00:48:09,920 --> 00:48:12,120
Speaker 1: couple they were a lot of them were blowouts, but

884
00:48:12,160 --> 00:48:13,520
Speaker 1: there are a couple of close ones or whatever you

885
00:48:13,600 --> 00:48:15,600
Speaker 1: want to call it. All these games are within play

886
00:48:15,640 --> 00:48:17,520
Speaker 1: or two of being the other way. So you can

887
00:48:17,800 --> 00:48:20,120
Speaker 1: this play calling stuff. Forget it. It's the way the

888
00:48:20,160 --> 00:48:23,960
Speaker 1: game's played. We have to take a break here, but

889
00:48:24,080 --> 00:48:27,440
Speaker 1: when we come back, our number two will begin with

890
00:48:27,560 --> 00:48:31,520
Speaker 1: host and writer for Sports Illustrated, Talk of Fame network

891
00:48:31,600 --> 00:48:35,160
Speaker 1: Pro Football Hall of Fame voter Rick Goslin going to

892
00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:37,680
Speaker 1: join us next for our number two. We'll talk to

893
00:48:37,760 --> 00:48:41,279
Speaker 1: him about his famed annual special teams rankings where the

894
00:48:41,280 --> 00:48:44,480
Speaker 1: Bills finished up there some of the Pro Football Hall

895
00:48:44,560 --> 00:48:49,320
Speaker 1: of Fame class info, among other things. Veteran NFL reporter

896
00:48:49,400 --> 00:48:52,480
Speaker 1: Rick Goslin next here on One Bill's Live, presented by

897
00:48:52,520 --> 00:49:12,880
Speaker 1: Kalota Health. It's Buffalo Bill's Radio. At a Steve Tasker

898
00:49:12,880 --> 00:49:15,560
Speaker 1: who has been all over the field. Kind of unique.

899
00:49:15,560 --> 00:49:17,239
Speaker 1: He was kind of a dual role player for you,

900
00:49:17,520 --> 00:49:23,800
Speaker 1: state Steve a blimp. We're not even in the strated

901
00:49:23,880 --> 00:49:30,040
Speaker 1: beer of normalcy. All right, there we are our number

902
00:49:30,040 --> 00:49:32,520
Speaker 1: two on a Wednesday, Chris Brown, Steve Tasker with you

903
00:49:32,640 --> 00:49:36,880
Speaker 1: and pleased to be joined now by forts Illustrated Talk

904
00:49:36,960 --> 00:49:40,080
Speaker 1: of Fame network writer Rick Goslin, also a Hall of

905
00:49:40,080 --> 00:49:44,520
Speaker 1: Fame voter, also as his name in the Writer's Wing

906
00:49:44,520 --> 00:49:46,320
Speaker 1: of the Pro Football Hall of Fame. Rick, thanks for

907
00:49:46,440 --> 00:49:50,440
Speaker 1: joining us. How you doing. I'm doing spectacular? How about

908
00:49:50,440 --> 00:49:52,359
Speaker 1: you guys? We're doing okay? That's great to hear. As

909
00:49:52,400 --> 00:49:56,279
Speaker 1: we uh, we should probably begin on the heels of

910
00:49:56,520 --> 00:49:59,400
Speaker 1: you know, what was Super Bowl fifty six. We know

911
00:49:59,440 --> 00:50:02,319
Speaker 1: you've seen an awful lot of those in person in

912
00:50:02,400 --> 00:50:06,120
Speaker 1: your time, So what is the What is the biggest

913
00:50:06,280 --> 00:50:08,120
Speaker 1: thing that you pull from that game? What do you

914
00:50:08,120 --> 00:50:13,799
Speaker 1: think is going to be the lasting headline from that contest? Well,

915
00:50:13,800 --> 00:50:18,520
Speaker 1: I think Matthew Stafford awaiting thirteen years to win a

916
00:50:18,600 --> 00:50:21,160
Speaker 1: Super Bowl ring a guy who was a franchise quarterback,

917
00:50:21,239 --> 00:50:24,800
Speaker 1: draft at first overall, and like many first overall picks,

918
00:50:25,160 --> 00:50:28,200
Speaker 1: goes to a bad team, gets beaten up, doesn't win.

919
00:50:29,280 --> 00:50:30,719
Speaker 1: He hung me in there for twelve years. A lot

920
00:50:30,719 --> 00:50:31,960
Speaker 1: of guys don't make it. He hung in there for

921
00:50:32,000 --> 00:50:35,080
Speaker 1: twelve years, asked to be traded. They sent him to

922
00:50:35,120 --> 00:50:38,120
Speaker 1: a contender and he won. He proved that what we

923
00:50:38,200 --> 00:50:40,120
Speaker 1: thought all along, he was a franchise quarterback. He just

924
00:50:40,120 --> 00:50:43,440
Speaker 1: needed a few players around him. Yeah, it was an interesting,

925
00:50:43,680 --> 00:50:45,719
Speaker 1: you know, place for him because he went to a

926
00:50:45,760 --> 00:50:48,399
Speaker 1: team in the Rams. And we saw talked about this before,

927
00:50:48,440 --> 00:50:51,440
Speaker 1: and I like your input on the two different philosophies

928
00:50:51,440 --> 00:50:55,000
Speaker 1: of these franchises. The Rams pay what it costs, get

929
00:50:55,040 --> 00:50:58,719
Speaker 1: around the salary cap, push everything down down the road.

930
00:50:58,920 --> 00:51:02,120
Speaker 1: Forget about first round rap picks. We don't care. Buy

931
00:51:02,200 --> 00:51:04,480
Speaker 1: these guys when they're out there available. Trade for these

932
00:51:04,480 --> 00:51:07,600
Speaker 1: guys when they're out there available. And then the Cincinnati Bengals,

933
00:51:07,600 --> 00:51:10,840
Speaker 1: on the other hand, with a staff of three in

934
00:51:10,880 --> 00:51:14,799
Speaker 1: the entire organization. You know, and you know they, you

935
00:51:14,840 --> 00:51:18,080
Speaker 1: know they, you know they the carpet is still original

936
00:51:18,080 --> 00:51:20,399
Speaker 1: in their stadium, I mean, all that stuff. They go.

937
00:51:20,520 --> 00:51:23,680
Speaker 1: And both these franchises end up in the Super Bowl

938
00:51:23,680 --> 00:51:25,239
Speaker 1: and didn't have the Rams when and what about the

939
00:51:25,280 --> 00:51:28,400
Speaker 1: philosophies of these two franchises. What it says about the league?

940
00:51:29,880 --> 00:51:31,920
Speaker 1: If this is nothing new in Los Angeles, this is

941
00:51:31,960 --> 00:51:35,360
Speaker 1: what George Allen did back in the nineteen seventies, both

942
00:51:35,520 --> 00:51:38,000
Speaker 1: in LA and in Washbeet traded away all those picks

943
00:51:38,000 --> 00:51:40,600
Speaker 1: and guy fetching players and had a pretty good run

944
00:51:40,600 --> 00:51:42,520
Speaker 1: and never won a Struppo, but had a pretty good run.

945
00:51:43,360 --> 00:51:46,359
Speaker 1: Cincinnati was obviously doing more billings to the draft. They

946
00:51:46,400 --> 00:51:49,360
Speaker 1: did sign some free agents. Still, they had some success

947
00:51:49,400 --> 00:51:52,320
Speaker 1: free agents bottom mine as both teams had a franchise

948
00:51:52,400 --> 00:51:55,360
Speaker 1: quarterback and the game is all about the franchise quarterback

949
00:51:55,520 --> 00:51:58,280
Speaker 1: and a defense to pass rush and in this case

950
00:51:58,440 --> 00:52:00,759
Speaker 1: the Rams. I thought, I thought there ms gonna win

951
00:52:01,239 --> 00:52:03,960
Speaker 1: because I didn't think they could block the Rams front.

952
00:52:04,000 --> 00:52:06,040
Speaker 1: They hadn't blocked anybody all year. He was sacked or

953
00:52:06,160 --> 00:52:08,840
Speaker 1: fifty times. I thought the pass rush should give them problems,

954
00:52:08,840 --> 00:52:10,920
Speaker 1: and in the end that's what gave him problems. But

955
00:52:11,000 --> 00:52:13,040
Speaker 1: two different But the bottom line is if you get

956
00:52:13,080 --> 00:52:17,120
Speaker 1: the franchise quarterback, life gets a lot easier, both in freege,

957
00:52:17,160 --> 00:52:20,000
Speaker 1: seeing the draft, and every other way of team building

958
00:52:20,160 --> 00:52:22,160
Speaker 1: because you got the one key piece in place, and

959
00:52:22,280 --> 00:52:24,799
Speaker 1: both those teams had that key piece in place. I know,

960
00:52:25,040 --> 00:52:28,399
Speaker 1: after the regular season wrapped up, you put together your

961
00:52:28,440 --> 00:52:32,239
Speaker 1: special teams rankings, which have become a gospel, you know,

962
00:52:32,320 --> 00:52:35,000
Speaker 1: for several years now around the league. The Bills finished

963
00:52:35,040 --> 00:52:38,200
Speaker 1: eighth in that category overall. I should say they finished

964
00:52:38,239 --> 00:52:41,640
Speaker 1: eighth overall a your rankings, we know that they were

965
00:52:41,640 --> 00:52:44,239
Speaker 1: a top five coverage unit both on punt end kick

966
00:52:44,320 --> 00:52:48,160
Speaker 1: coverage did really well there. Tyler Bass had another solid season,

967
00:52:49,920 --> 00:52:54,160
Speaker 1: but their special teams coordinator has moved on. They have

968
00:52:54,239 --> 00:52:58,120
Speaker 1: a change. Their assistant special teams coach, Matthew Smiley ascends

969
00:52:58,560 --> 00:53:01,400
Speaker 1: to the head coordinator role here. I don't know if

970
00:53:01,400 --> 00:53:04,640
Speaker 1: you've tracked this at very much, Rick, but knowing how

971
00:53:04,719 --> 00:53:07,440
Speaker 1: much attention you do pay to special teams, do you

972
00:53:07,520 --> 00:53:11,920
Speaker 1: have any feel for how difficult to ask it is

973
00:53:13,040 --> 00:53:16,480
Speaker 1: for a new coordinator to come in in the special

974
00:53:16,520 --> 00:53:19,720
Speaker 1: teams phase of the game, even a promotion from within

975
00:53:20,280 --> 00:53:25,680
Speaker 1: and maintain or maybe even more unlikely, improve what was

976
00:53:25,719 --> 00:53:27,759
Speaker 1: already in place there on special teams. I don't know

977
00:53:27,800 --> 00:53:30,239
Speaker 1: if you've ever tracked that year over year in your

978
00:53:30,280 --> 00:53:32,480
Speaker 1: time and knowing the attention you pay to the special

979
00:53:32,480 --> 00:53:37,279
Speaker 1: team's phase of the game. Well, first off, any successful

980
00:53:37,320 --> 00:53:41,320
Speaker 1: team on special teams, it's all about commitment, commitment to

981
00:53:41,320 --> 00:53:45,200
Speaker 1: a roster personnel, commember to practice time. You have to

982
00:53:45,280 --> 00:53:47,319
Speaker 1: you have to treat special teams like the very third

983
00:53:47,360 --> 00:53:49,239
Speaker 1: of the game. People give it Lips Saints the third

984
00:53:49,239 --> 00:53:51,960
Speaker 1: the game, but not many teams give it the actual third.

985
00:53:52,560 --> 00:53:55,920
Speaker 1: Now the Bills have a commitment. Mcdermot's got the commitment.

986
00:53:55,960 --> 00:53:59,200
Speaker 1: I always favored hiring a defensive guy as a head

987
00:53:59,200 --> 00:54:02,160
Speaker 1: coach because they are all three phases. Offensive guys tend

988
00:54:02,160 --> 00:54:05,160
Speaker 1: to worry about what they're gonna call next, but you

989
00:54:05,200 --> 00:54:08,640
Speaker 1: look at the you know the defensive coaches that have

990
00:54:08,719 --> 00:54:12,279
Speaker 1: taken it seriously. Bill Kauer in nineteen eighty five was

991
00:54:12,360 --> 00:54:15,879
Speaker 1: special team coach at Brown's. He was the first team

992
00:54:15,920 --> 00:54:18,239
Speaker 1: to finish first in my rankings when I first him

993
00:54:18,239 --> 00:54:21,520
Speaker 1: in eighty five. Bill Kauer, John Harbors one of Super

994
00:54:21,520 --> 00:54:24,880
Speaker 1: Bowls off special teams. Marv Levy, one of the original

995
00:54:24,880 --> 00:54:28,080
Speaker 1: spast teams coach at Hall of Fame, Dick Vermeil, who

996
00:54:28,120 --> 00:54:29,480
Speaker 1: just going to the Hall of Famer, he was an

997
00:54:29,480 --> 00:54:32,960
Speaker 1: original spest teams coaches. So those guys, the head coach

998
00:54:33,040 --> 00:54:35,160
Speaker 1: that have a commitment to special teams are the teams

999
00:54:35,160 --> 00:54:38,800
Speaker 1: that wind up having annual goods best teams. So whoever

1000
00:54:38,960 --> 00:54:41,160
Speaker 1: the spest teams coaches the bills, they're going to have

1001
00:54:41,200 --> 00:54:45,239
Speaker 1: the commitment the difficult part. And I talked to both

1002
00:54:45,320 --> 00:54:49,040
Speaker 1: you and Bill Bates the year you retired, and I

1003
00:54:49,080 --> 00:54:51,040
Speaker 1: asked both of you guys one question. I got the

1004
00:54:51,040 --> 00:54:53,840
Speaker 1: same answer. I said, I asked the two of you,

1005
00:54:54,400 --> 00:54:58,200
Speaker 1: what's the most difficult thing for a special team's ace,

1006
00:54:58,840 --> 00:55:00,759
Speaker 1: And both of you guys said it convincing a new

1007
00:55:00,760 --> 00:55:02,719
Speaker 1: player group of players each year that what we do

1008
00:55:02,840 --> 00:55:06,759
Speaker 1: is important. Now, you can change coaches, but you have

1009
00:55:06,840 --> 00:55:09,279
Speaker 1: to keep a lot of your core players. There's gonna

1010
00:55:09,280 --> 00:55:12,680
Speaker 1: be turn on but you can't. I remember one year,

1011
00:55:12,760 --> 00:55:15,759
Speaker 1: John Harbaugh, I think you finished first in back to

1012
00:55:15,800 --> 00:55:18,759
Speaker 1: back years, and the next year they were really struggling,

1013
00:55:18,800 --> 00:55:21,399
Speaker 1: and Andy Reid went to him at the memory John

1014
00:55:21,480 --> 00:55:24,200
Speaker 1: what's going on. He's coach. You got rid of four

1015
00:55:24,239 --> 00:55:26,759
Speaker 1: of my five core guys. I mean you got to

1016
00:55:26,760 --> 00:55:29,920
Speaker 1: break in new guys. You need some continuity on special teams,

1017
00:55:29,960 --> 00:55:33,080
Speaker 1: just as you needed on offense and defense. If McDermott

1018
00:55:33,120 --> 00:55:35,920
Speaker 1: gives the new guy that contined that Bose be fine

1019
00:55:35,920 --> 00:55:38,400
Speaker 1: again special teams, I don't think it's any question that

1020
00:55:38,440 --> 00:55:41,320
Speaker 1: when it certainly the old guys when I was playing,

1021
00:55:41,360 --> 00:55:43,960
Speaker 1: the old guys, uh kind of poop poops the guys

1022
00:55:43,960 --> 00:55:45,879
Speaker 1: who would retire the old guys who were old guys

1023
00:55:45,880 --> 00:55:49,239
Speaker 1: when I was a young guy, because the rosters were

1024
00:55:49,280 --> 00:55:52,640
Speaker 1: only making thirty six guys, right, and then when the

1025
00:55:52,719 --> 00:55:54,799
Speaker 1: roster expanded to forty two and then forty five and

1026
00:55:54,840 --> 00:55:57,000
Speaker 1: forty seven on game day. Now, now you do have

1027
00:55:57,080 --> 00:56:01,400
Speaker 1: space for a position group of special teams players that

1028
00:56:01,480 --> 00:56:05,160
Speaker 1: every team really exploits to maximize those snaps. You know,

1029
00:56:05,200 --> 00:56:08,320
Speaker 1: twenty percent of the snaps are special teams. So what

1030
00:56:08,640 --> 00:56:10,600
Speaker 1: you know? How do you have you seen the trend

1031
00:56:10,719 --> 00:56:13,759
Speaker 1: go now that they've started to tinker with the rules

1032
00:56:13,760 --> 00:56:16,320
Speaker 1: a little bit, the new revamped kickoff rules where you

1033
00:56:16,320 --> 00:56:18,640
Speaker 1: don't get a running start, the alignment the guys are

1034
00:56:18,680 --> 00:56:20,879
Speaker 1: all up around the line of scrimmage. And now they're

1035
00:56:20,920 --> 00:56:25,359
Speaker 1: also starting to talk about the punt team, where most

1036
00:56:25,400 --> 00:56:27,800
Speaker 1: of the injuries on special teams in the games are

1037
00:56:27,920 --> 00:56:30,240
Speaker 1: concentrated on the punt team. How do you see those

1038
00:56:30,520 --> 00:56:33,440
Speaker 1: the evolution going forward now that you do have this

1039
00:56:33,520 --> 00:56:36,120
Speaker 1: group of guys that's got to take those snaps, and

1040
00:56:36,160 --> 00:56:39,560
Speaker 1: now they continue to tinker with the rules. Yeah, I

1041
00:56:40,080 --> 00:56:42,280
Speaker 1: know why they're doing it, they want to reduce injuries,

1042
00:56:42,320 --> 00:56:45,400
Speaker 1: but I really think it's impacting the game. The kicking

1043
00:56:45,440 --> 00:56:47,719
Speaker 1: downs are the most important downs at FOBO because it's

1044
00:56:47,760 --> 00:56:50,520
Speaker 1: the largest chunk of the yardage that's exchanged when you

1045
00:56:50,560 --> 00:56:53,960
Speaker 1: put the ball. You're talking about fifty yard exchange of

1046
00:56:54,040 --> 00:56:57,080
Speaker 1: yardage from one team to the next kickoff same way.

1047
00:56:57,320 --> 00:57:00,560
Speaker 1: But by taking away you know you're not you don't

1048
00:57:00,600 --> 00:57:04,239
Speaker 1: see that many returns anymore. I not offside. On sidekicks

1049
00:57:04,320 --> 00:57:09,560
Speaker 1: now are basically dead, no water. If you're gonna change

1050
00:57:09,600 --> 00:57:11,800
Speaker 1: the part return, I think the part returns one of

1051
00:57:11,800 --> 00:57:14,279
Speaker 1: the most dynamic players in football. If you're gonna change that,

1052
00:57:14,719 --> 00:57:19,880
Speaker 1: you're just further neutralizing special teams and you're hurting teams

1053
00:57:19,880 --> 00:57:24,080
Speaker 1: that actually takes special teams seriously. Two years ago, the

1054
00:57:24,800 --> 00:57:29,360
Speaker 1: Patriots finished first, and Bill Belichick kept four guys who'd

1055
00:57:29,400 --> 00:57:33,720
Speaker 1: been Pro Bowl special teamers. Special teams are important to Belichick,

1056
00:57:34,600 --> 00:57:38,560
Speaker 1: and I think if you're gonna keep changing the rules

1057
00:57:38,680 --> 00:57:41,800
Speaker 1: and making them less impactful, it's you're gonna just for

1058
00:57:41,960 --> 00:57:45,000
Speaker 1: your lesson it. You're gonna make it all about just

1059
00:57:45,240 --> 00:57:48,360
Speaker 1: the field goal kicker, and that that's wrong. So, Rick,

1060
00:57:48,720 --> 00:57:51,920
Speaker 1: the Pro Football Hall of Fame is gonna enshrine eight

1061
00:57:52,200 --> 00:57:57,040
Speaker 1: in this current class. I'm not looking for state secrets

1062
00:57:57,080 --> 00:58:00,840
Speaker 1: here among the Hall of Fame selectors, but one of them.

1063
00:58:01,600 --> 00:58:04,880
Speaker 1: How would you characterize the debate in the room. Was

1064
00:58:04,880 --> 00:58:09,720
Speaker 1: it relatively smooth in reaching these eight or were there

1065
00:58:09,800 --> 00:58:14,240
Speaker 1: some hotly debated moments. Well, I thought it was a

1066
00:58:14,240 --> 00:58:18,080
Speaker 1: cleanup class. That there wasn't a marquee cornerback or running

1067
00:58:18,120 --> 00:58:20,000
Speaker 1: back or you know, one of the one of the

1068
00:58:20,400 --> 00:58:22,760
Speaker 1: one of those elite skilled type players in the class.

1069
00:58:22,800 --> 00:58:24,280
Speaker 1: And I thought there was a good chance that this

1070
00:58:24,320 --> 00:58:26,400
Speaker 1: committee was going to clean it up. And guys have

1071
00:58:26,480 --> 00:58:29,640
Speaker 1: been waiting in a que long times, the Tony Basselli's

1072
00:58:29,680 --> 00:58:33,120
Speaker 1: and the Richard Seymour's and in Sam Mill's case, twenty years.

1073
00:58:33,760 --> 00:58:36,280
Speaker 1: I thought there was a good chance we'd take a

1074
00:58:36,320 --> 00:58:38,040
Speaker 1: lot of guys who're waiting a long time to get

1075
00:58:38,040 --> 00:58:41,640
Speaker 1: it in in, and that's exactly what happened. Brian Young, Loroy Butler.

1076
00:58:42,360 --> 00:58:45,600
Speaker 1: Butler was the only First Team All Decade guy from

1077
00:58:45,640 --> 00:58:47,840
Speaker 1: the fifty sixty, seventies and eighties and nineties nine in.

1078
00:58:48,240 --> 00:58:50,560
Speaker 1: He had to go in this class, and the other

1079
00:58:50,600 --> 00:58:52,960
Speaker 1: guys have been waiting a long time. It was a

1080
00:58:53,000 --> 00:58:57,520
Speaker 1: clean up class. I think the bottom line is we

1081
00:58:57,560 --> 00:59:00,920
Speaker 1: could have taken any combination of five and had a

1082
00:59:00,920 --> 00:59:04,480
Speaker 1: good class. But we on the committee know that whatever

1083
00:59:04,520 --> 00:59:08,400
Speaker 1: five we pick, it's the wrong five or fan bases

1084
00:59:08,440 --> 00:59:10,800
Speaker 1: with one player agenda. You know, I'm taking a lot

1085
00:59:10,800 --> 00:59:12,720
Speaker 1: of heat right now in Dallas because de Marcus Ware

1086
00:59:12,840 --> 00:59:16,800
Speaker 1: didn't get in, And my friend in Tampa he's taken

1087
00:59:16,840 --> 00:59:20,800
Speaker 1: heat because Ronde Barber didn't get in. The problem is

1088
00:59:21,160 --> 00:59:25,520
Speaker 1: we had fifteen qualified Hall of Fame candidates. We only

1089
00:59:25,560 --> 00:59:28,200
Speaker 1: had five seats at the table, so ten had to

1090
00:59:28,240 --> 00:59:30,480
Speaker 1: be left behind. And those ten will probably be back

1091
00:59:30,520 --> 00:59:33,840
Speaker 1: in the finals again next year. But there aren't enough seats.

1092
00:59:34,120 --> 00:59:37,040
Speaker 1: And I'm on the senior committee, and and that that

1093
00:59:37,040 --> 00:59:40,600
Speaker 1: that kills me. I've got one hundred players on this

1094
00:59:40,960 --> 00:59:44,320
Speaker 1: My senior list that need to be discussed, and we're

1095
00:59:44,360 --> 00:59:48,040
Speaker 1: bringing out one a year, and that's wrong. I think

1096
00:59:48,240 --> 00:59:51,360
Speaker 1: in your case, I think it's it's criminal that Cornelius

1097
00:59:51,400 --> 00:59:55,120
Speaker 1: Bennett has not been discussed as a Hall of Fame finalist.

1098
00:59:56,040 --> 00:59:59,560
Speaker 1: Ken Hall should be discussed as a Hall of Fame

1099
00:59:59,640 --> 01:00:02,600
Speaker 1: final and you, yourself, you should be in the room.

1100
01:00:02,880 --> 01:00:06,600
Speaker 1: We don't cycle enough people through the room for discussion

1101
01:00:07,400 --> 01:00:10,280
Speaker 1: in that senior pool. I've got fifty eight all decade

1102
01:00:10,320 --> 01:00:13,120
Speaker 1: players and fifty two of them have never been discussed.

1103
01:00:13,480 --> 01:00:15,080
Speaker 1: That's wrong. If you're picked as one of the best

1104
01:00:15,080 --> 01:00:18,280
Speaker 1: players of your era, you need your case heard where

1105
01:00:18,360 --> 01:00:21,200
Speaker 1: you fit historically in the game, and that hasn't been

1106
01:00:21,200 --> 01:00:23,840
Speaker 1: the case. We've got to find a way to cycle

1107
01:00:23,960 --> 01:00:27,360
Speaker 1: more people through the room and also increase number of seats. Well,

1108
01:00:27,480 --> 01:00:31,720
Speaker 1: I'm off for putting a tenny year. Well, I want

1109
01:00:31,720 --> 01:00:33,919
Speaker 1: to see three seniors a year. I'd love to see

1110
01:00:33,920 --> 01:00:38,160
Speaker 1: seven modern era players. We need we need more seats

1111
01:00:38,160 --> 01:00:39,880
Speaker 1: at the table. They're two any qualified people that are

1112
01:00:39,880 --> 01:00:43,320
Speaker 1: sitting out on the outside looking in that deserved bus

1113
01:00:44,000 --> 01:00:46,800
Speaker 1: And I will say this, I know that there are

1114
01:00:46,800 --> 01:00:48,040
Speaker 1: a lot of people and I hear it all the

1115
01:00:48,040 --> 01:00:49,640
Speaker 1: time we hear it all this show, and I kind

1116
01:00:49,640 --> 01:00:52,240
Speaker 1: of put a moratorium on people calling in and you know,

1117
01:00:52,320 --> 01:00:55,320
Speaker 1: talking about it in mind my candidacy, and you know,

1118
01:00:55,360 --> 01:00:57,920
Speaker 1: in some ways I'm kind of glad my eras and

1119
01:00:58,120 --> 01:01:01,240
Speaker 1: modern day players over. But I agree with you this.

1120
01:01:01,400 --> 01:01:04,320
Speaker 1: I you know, there are guys that everybody has their

1121
01:01:04,360 --> 01:01:06,160
Speaker 1: favorite guys they think should be in. I get it,

1122
01:01:06,200 --> 01:01:08,480
Speaker 1: and for some people even I'm the guy that they

1123
01:01:08,520 --> 01:01:10,680
Speaker 1: think should be in. The simple fact the matter is,

1124
01:01:11,840 --> 01:01:16,680
Speaker 1: it's a bar that should be very high. There's no

1125
01:01:16,760 --> 01:01:18,680
Speaker 1: question about it. And I will say this, It's a

1126
01:01:18,680 --> 01:01:21,040
Speaker 1: little different than baseball. It's a little different than basketball.

1127
01:01:21,080 --> 01:01:23,520
Speaker 1: It's a little different than other sports because the rosters

1128
01:01:23,600 --> 01:01:26,640
Speaker 1: are so big and there are so many guys who

1129
01:01:26,680 --> 01:01:30,640
Speaker 1: contribute so much that it does seem that if you

1130
01:01:30,680 --> 01:01:33,000
Speaker 1: put the guys in who do make differences for great

1131
01:01:33,000 --> 01:01:35,000
Speaker 1: teams and even poor teams, are guys who play or

1132
01:01:35,080 --> 01:01:37,840
Speaker 1: have singular careers. If you put those guys in, it

1133
01:01:37,880 --> 01:01:42,680
Speaker 1: does seem like the bar drops a little bit. And

1134
01:01:42,720 --> 01:01:44,200
Speaker 1: I don't know that that's a good thing or a

1135
01:01:44,240 --> 01:01:46,640
Speaker 1: bad thing, other than the fact that the Hall of

1136
01:01:46,640 --> 01:01:50,160
Speaker 1: Fame should be tough to make. And I'm and I

1137
01:01:50,280 --> 01:01:52,040
Speaker 1: but I do. I agree with you. There are guys

1138
01:01:52,080 --> 01:01:55,480
Speaker 1: that you can debate about for decades and on both

1139
01:01:55,480 --> 01:01:59,200
Speaker 1: sides of the coin. It's a hard it's a hard

1140
01:01:59,280 --> 01:02:03,160
Speaker 1: line to draw, no question, But I think it's okay

1141
01:02:03,200 --> 01:02:05,640
Speaker 1: that the Hall of Fame errors. If they do error,

1142
01:02:05,680 --> 01:02:08,160
Speaker 1: they error on the side of letting too few in

1143
01:02:08,280 --> 01:02:13,080
Speaker 1: rather than too many. Yeah, and I would agree that.

1144
01:02:13,280 --> 01:02:15,560
Speaker 1: Let me give a in Chicago, they're upset that Devin

1145
01:02:15,640 --> 01:02:18,480
Speaker 1: Hester wasn't a first ballot Hall of Famer, and I

1146
01:02:18,520 --> 01:02:21,640
Speaker 1: agree Devin Hester was. It was a spectacular kick returner,

1147
01:02:21,840 --> 01:02:26,480
Speaker 1: but Billy White Shoes Johnson was picked to the seventy

1148
01:02:26,480 --> 01:02:29,840
Speaker 1: fifth and one hundredth anniversary teams as a kick returner.

1149
01:02:30,600 --> 01:02:33,520
Speaker 1: He's been eligible for thirty four years and he's never

1150
01:02:33,600 --> 01:02:38,040
Speaker 1: been discussed. So how can Devin Hester in his group

1151
01:02:38,800 --> 01:02:41,960
Speaker 1: be disappointed if the guy picked as the best of

1152
01:02:42,040 --> 01:02:45,000
Speaker 1: the first hundred years is waiting thirty four years and

1153
01:02:45,080 --> 01:02:47,920
Speaker 1: hasn't been discussed. Like I said, no matter who we pick,

1154
01:02:48,200 --> 01:02:51,240
Speaker 1: it's the wrong five, it's the wrong guy. If you

1155
01:02:51,320 --> 01:02:53,840
Speaker 1: got a one player agenda, which which the people in

1156
01:02:53,880 --> 01:02:55,960
Speaker 1: Dallas had with DeMarcus Square, the people in Tampa, hell

1157
01:02:56,240 --> 01:02:58,760
Speaker 1: Ronde Barbara the people in Chicago have with Devin Hester.

1158
01:02:59,080 --> 01:03:01,760
Speaker 1: So Rick, let me this then, based on some of

1159
01:03:01,800 --> 01:03:07,400
Speaker 1: what you've you know, suggested here, perhaps increasing modern era

1160
01:03:07,920 --> 01:03:13,240
Speaker 1: inductee classes to seven, senior you know, veterans committee classes

1161
01:03:13,240 --> 01:03:17,160
Speaker 1: to three. What do you feel is the likelihood of

1162
01:03:17,200 --> 01:03:22,760
Speaker 1: those thoughts gaining traction with the Pro Football Hall of

1163
01:03:22,800 --> 01:03:25,840
Speaker 1: Fame or whoever else needs to hear it and consider

1164
01:03:25,880 --> 01:03:30,439
Speaker 1: it going forward. I think a ton of discussion. There's

1165
01:03:30,440 --> 01:03:33,200
Speaker 1: a new president at the Hall right now, David Baker

1166
01:03:33,200 --> 01:03:36,840
Speaker 1: has been replaced, and I think he understands Porter understands

1167
01:03:36,880 --> 01:03:40,640
Speaker 1: that the process, there's some tweaks that need to be done.

1168
01:03:41,640 --> 01:03:44,280
Speaker 1: He's seen my list of a hundred seniors. He knows

1169
01:03:44,320 --> 01:03:49,040
Speaker 1: the issue there. And again, modern era, you know, once

1170
01:03:49,120 --> 01:03:51,200
Speaker 1: upon a time we're putting in seven modern eras and

1171
01:03:51,240 --> 01:03:53,520
Speaker 1: now we're down to five. Yeah, and you can say,

1172
01:03:53,560 --> 01:03:56,720
Speaker 1: with the thirty two teams, we have more starters and

1173
01:03:56,800 --> 01:04:00,840
Speaker 1: more teams than any sporting franchise, and yet we're putting

1174
01:04:00,840 --> 01:04:04,840
Speaker 1: in the same size classes as everybody else. And that's

1175
01:04:04,680 --> 01:04:06,960
Speaker 1: that's not right. And a couple of other things. One

1176
01:04:08,160 --> 01:04:11,560
Speaker 1: sixty eight percent of everybody in Canton one has a

1177
01:04:11,640 --> 01:04:15,440
Speaker 1: championship ring. So if you played on a team that

1178
01:04:15,480 --> 01:04:19,280
Speaker 1: didn't win the title, your chances to decrease. If you

1179
01:04:19,400 --> 01:04:23,520
Speaker 1: played on a team that never got there, like Willie

1180
01:04:23,520 --> 01:04:27,600
Speaker 1: Anderson's he was a great right tackle, he never got

1181
01:04:27,600 --> 01:04:29,200
Speaker 1: there and he only got in the room to this

1182
01:04:29,280 --> 01:04:33,200
Speaker 1: year for the first time in twelve years. But the

1183
01:04:33,280 --> 01:04:35,360
Speaker 1: numbers do we act like if you didn't play for

1184
01:04:35,360 --> 01:04:38,919
Speaker 1: a championship team, you champion all Fame And that's wrong.

1185
01:04:38,960 --> 01:04:42,040
Speaker 1: They are great players that didn't win championships. And though

1186
01:04:42,040 --> 01:04:44,080
Speaker 1: those people have to get into discussion, we can't just

1187
01:04:44,120 --> 01:04:47,840
Speaker 1: keep putting into people with the rings. Guys like Deck Buckers.

1188
01:04:47,880 --> 01:04:50,120
Speaker 1: I mean, that was a great player on a bad team,

1189
01:04:51,160 --> 01:04:54,880
Speaker 1: and guys like that belong in. And again I'm strong

1190
01:04:54,960 --> 01:04:57,640
Speaker 1: on Cornelius Bennet. He needs to be discussed. I saw

1191
01:04:57,680 --> 01:05:01,120
Speaker 1: what he did on those Buffalo defenses all Bruce Smith,

1192
01:05:01,720 --> 01:05:03,520
Speaker 1: he needs to be discussed and he hasn't been discussing.

1193
01:05:03,560 --> 01:05:06,480
Speaker 1: If if if Biscuit hit one ring, he'd probably be

1194
01:05:06,480 --> 01:05:08,680
Speaker 1: in a Hall of Fame right now. Yeah, I would

1195
01:05:08,720 --> 01:05:11,040
Speaker 1: agree with you. He was an absolute difference maker for

1196
01:05:11,080 --> 01:05:13,320
Speaker 1: a really great team and that's hard to do, I know,

1197
01:05:13,360 --> 01:05:14,920
Speaker 1: how heart it is. To make a difference on a

1198
01:05:14,960 --> 01:05:17,240
Speaker 1: really good team, let alone on a bad team. Uh,

1199
01:05:17,400 --> 01:05:20,800
Speaker 1: Biscuit did all that throughout a great career. One last

1200
01:05:20,840 --> 01:05:23,240
Speaker 1: thing I want to ask you about is about this

1201
01:05:23,320 --> 01:05:27,160
Speaker 1: last super Bowl. M I know it's a fine line

1202
01:05:27,200 --> 01:05:29,400
Speaker 1: we walk and I and I'm, you know, infamous for

1203
01:05:29,480 --> 01:05:31,600
Speaker 1: being thrown out of my last game for beefing an

1204
01:05:31,600 --> 01:05:37,160
Speaker 1: officials call um. So it's I but I got to admit,

1205
01:05:38,000 --> 01:05:39,720
Speaker 1: when you watch a game, and I've we saw a

1206
01:05:39,720 --> 01:05:42,240
Speaker 1: few of them, particularly in twenty twenty with the pandemic

1207
01:05:42,280 --> 01:05:45,640
Speaker 1: going on, the officials really kind of stepped away from

1208
01:05:45,640 --> 01:05:48,080
Speaker 1: the game almost for the entire year of twenty twenty.

1209
01:05:48,160 --> 01:05:51,360
Speaker 1: No hold, there are very few holding calls, very few measurements.

1210
01:05:51,560 --> 01:05:53,840
Speaker 1: The spots were like on the yard line, they didn't

1211
01:05:53,840 --> 01:05:55,760
Speaker 1: get into the inches and the XS notes. And then

1212
01:05:55,840 --> 01:05:57,840
Speaker 1: this last super Bowl we saw a little bit runiss

1213
01:05:57,840 --> 01:06:00,120
Speaker 1: that there were like four penalties up until that the

1214
01:06:00,120 --> 01:06:02,960
Speaker 1: infamous three plays in a row of the stretch that

1215
01:06:02,960 --> 01:06:05,720
Speaker 1: they had as the Rams were trying to score. What

1216
01:06:05,800 --> 01:06:08,960
Speaker 1: do you think about the officiating and what's your stance

1217
01:06:09,000 --> 01:06:12,640
Speaker 1: on how there's not only this super Bowl was called,

1218
01:06:13,760 --> 01:06:16,320
Speaker 1: but the atmosphere that there is in the league now

1219
01:06:16,360 --> 01:06:20,080
Speaker 1: where the officials can have a big impact on the game.

1220
01:06:21,080 --> 01:06:26,240
Speaker 1: But it's but they sometimes don't. I mean, what is

1221
01:06:26,280 --> 01:06:28,480
Speaker 1: your thought about how the officials are officiating in the

1222
01:06:28,480 --> 01:06:31,640
Speaker 1: philosophy of the league right now? Well, you're at my wheelhouse.

1223
01:06:31,640 --> 01:06:35,080
Speaker 1: I've been tracking officials since the year two thousand and two,

1224
01:06:35,560 --> 01:06:38,720
Speaker 1: and the biggest problem there is no continuity from one

1225
01:06:38,760 --> 01:06:42,640
Speaker 1: week to the next. There was an eighty one penalty

1226
01:06:42,720 --> 01:06:46,680
Speaker 1: difference between the top crew and the bottom crew this year.

1227
01:06:47,560 --> 01:06:51,560
Speaker 1: Top crew assessed eight hundred seven more yards than the

1228
01:06:51,600 --> 01:06:54,520
Speaker 1: bottom crew. That's eight football fields. A penalty yard is

1229
01:06:54,560 --> 01:06:58,000
Speaker 1: more than one other crew. If these officials are watching

1230
01:06:58,040 --> 01:07:01,360
Speaker 1: the same players in the same stadiums, playing the same

1231
01:07:01,400 --> 01:07:04,000
Speaker 1: games on the same day, how can you have that

1232
01:07:04,200 --> 01:07:10,640
Speaker 1: much of a fluctuation. This Super Bowl one of the

1233
01:07:10,680 --> 01:07:12,680
Speaker 1: problems I got. They put together an all star crew.

1234
01:07:13,240 --> 01:07:15,640
Speaker 1: That crew that worked that game was working together for

1235
01:07:15,640 --> 01:07:19,400
Speaker 1: the first time. They took allegedly the highest rated officials

1236
01:07:19,480 --> 01:07:22,000
Speaker 1: at each position and put them together for this one game.

1237
01:07:22,400 --> 01:07:24,919
Speaker 1: One I would keep the crew intact? Would I would

1238
01:07:24,960 --> 01:07:28,880
Speaker 1: give the game to an attact crew, not quote unquote

1239
01:07:28,920 --> 01:07:31,560
Speaker 1: all star crew exectly. They knew what they were getting

1240
01:07:32,080 --> 01:07:36,400
Speaker 1: are Ron Torbert. His crew ranked fourteenth among the seventeen

1241
01:07:36,480 --> 01:07:40,920
Speaker 1: teams in penalties this year low penalty crew. The officials

1242
01:07:40,920 --> 01:07:45,880
Speaker 1: that were added to that crew came off the fourth, seventh, tenth, thirteenth, fourteenth,

1243
01:07:45,880 --> 01:07:50,840
Speaker 1: and sixteenth ranked penalty crews. They took all the all

1244
01:07:50,880 --> 01:07:54,880
Speaker 1: the high high flag guys were left behind. They were

1245
01:07:54,880 --> 01:07:57,800
Speaker 1: stacking this deck for a low penalty game, and they

1246
01:07:57,880 --> 01:08:01,600
Speaker 1: got it until the last two minutes. And that's what's

1247
01:08:02,160 --> 01:08:06,080
Speaker 1: what's frustrating. You played one game for fifty eight minutes,

1248
01:08:06,080 --> 01:08:08,920
Speaker 1: send the game changes in the final two either you

1249
01:08:09,000 --> 01:08:11,800
Speaker 1: let them play or you don't let them play. And

1250
01:08:12,080 --> 01:08:14,480
Speaker 1: for this all star crew to miss that that offensive

1251
01:08:14,600 --> 01:08:18,320
Speaker 1: passing interference by Higgins start a third quarter, to miss

1252
01:08:18,320 --> 01:08:21,800
Speaker 1: the false procedure, false start by the Rams on that

1253
01:08:22,120 --> 01:08:26,000
Speaker 1: game any drive inexcusable for allegedly your best crew of officials.

1254
01:08:26,200 --> 01:08:28,479
Speaker 1: They've got to find some way to get some kind

1255
01:08:28,520 --> 01:08:31,960
Speaker 1: of continuity and make it because teams players don't know

1256
01:08:31,960 --> 01:08:35,200
Speaker 1: if one week the next who's calling what. You may

1257
01:08:35,240 --> 01:08:39,120
Speaker 1: get a crew one week that's calling offensive holdings and

1258
01:08:40,040 --> 01:08:43,640
Speaker 1: defensive contact and next week they're calling pass the interference.

1259
01:08:44,080 --> 01:08:46,400
Speaker 1: You don't know what you get one week next, that's wrong.

1260
01:08:46,680 --> 01:08:49,240
Speaker 1: You know, the players should be deciding the game, not

1261
01:08:49,280 --> 01:08:52,400
Speaker 1: the officials, and I would agree with that, and I've

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Speaker 1: said this, We've had conversations about this, and really the

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Speaker 1: only thing that the players and coaches won. They don't

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01:08:57,960 --> 01:09:00,840
Speaker 1: care what the rules are. They they just and they

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01:09:00,840 --> 01:09:03,040
Speaker 1: don't care what you're gonna call. But if you could

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01:09:03,080 --> 01:09:04,960
Speaker 1: call it the same in the first quarters you do

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Speaker 1: in the fourth quarter, and from one week to the next,

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Speaker 1: and from this game this weekend to this other game

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01:09:09,320 --> 01:09:11,639
Speaker 1: on Monday night the next night, call it the same

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01:09:11,680 --> 01:09:14,519
Speaker 1: all over the field, on every game and every weekend.

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01:09:15,280 --> 01:09:18,599
Speaker 1: They'll be good with whatever your standard is. But the

1272
01:09:18,640 --> 01:09:21,800
Speaker 1: problem is setting that standard and having every crew live

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01:09:21,880 --> 01:09:24,280
Speaker 1: up to that. I think consistency is the problem and

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01:09:24,360 --> 01:09:28,439
Speaker 1: always has been. And I always felt the fewer the flags,

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01:09:28,439 --> 01:09:31,000
Speaker 1: the better the game. And for a good part of

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01:09:31,000 --> 01:09:33,760
Speaker 1: that game the other day, that was a good game

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01:09:33,840 --> 01:09:36,240
Speaker 1: until the flags hand at the end, and that had

1278
01:09:36,280 --> 01:09:38,439
Speaker 1: to be very frustrating for the Bengals all of a

1279
01:09:38,439 --> 01:09:40,920
Speaker 1: sudden see these flags coming out. I don't know how

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01:09:40,920 --> 01:09:42,280
Speaker 1: they're gonna do it. I don't know how they're going

1281
01:09:42,360 --> 01:09:45,240
Speaker 1: to get this contin notity, but it can't keep going

1282
01:09:45,280 --> 01:09:48,120
Speaker 1: on like this. I would love to know how New

1283
01:09:48,200 --> 01:09:50,880
Speaker 1: York grades the officials, and I would like to see

1284
01:09:50,880 --> 01:09:53,760
Speaker 1: the grades on the officials that work the Super Bowl

1285
01:09:53,800 --> 01:09:57,200
Speaker 1: compared with the grades of player referees and officials that

1286
01:09:57,280 --> 01:09:59,840
Speaker 1: were not picked. I want to see what the despair

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01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:02,479
Speaker 1: he is and how you would determine this was your

1288
01:10:02,479 --> 01:10:05,599
Speaker 1: best group officials when you had all these mess calls

1289
01:10:06,360 --> 01:10:10,800
Speaker 1: on the biggest stage of your season. There's just it's

1290
01:10:10,800 --> 01:10:12,400
Speaker 1: just a why I could kin't know it that league

1291
01:10:12,479 --> 01:10:14,600
Speaker 1: has to address and they've been dragging their feet for

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01:10:14,640 --> 01:10:17,240
Speaker 1: the last ten years on this. Yeah, yeah, I would

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01:10:17,280 --> 01:10:20,519
Speaker 1: say this as well. I mean it is a human

1294
01:10:20,600 --> 01:10:23,879
Speaker 1: nature thing because you can look at the missed offensive

1295
01:10:23,880 --> 01:10:26,880
Speaker 1: pass interfais on Higgins with the long touchdown pass, and

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01:10:26,920 --> 01:10:30,240
Speaker 1: then the Bengals get called. They do get called for

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01:10:30,280 --> 01:10:33,439
Speaker 1: the phantom holding penalty on Cooper Cup over the middle

1298
01:10:33,520 --> 01:10:35,840
Speaker 1: when they you know, they called the guy Wilson for

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01:10:35,920 --> 01:10:39,080
Speaker 1: the pass interfairs, so they got the ben They were

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01:10:39,080 --> 01:10:42,560
Speaker 1: the benefit of one missed call and the victim on

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01:10:42,720 --> 01:10:45,280
Speaker 1: a tikie tack call. This shouldn't have been called, So

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01:10:45,920 --> 01:10:48,960
Speaker 1: it is inconsistent. But I will say this it's inconsistent

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01:10:49,000 --> 01:10:53,760
Speaker 1: for both teams. So I get I'm totally with you

1304
01:10:53,800 --> 01:10:55,040
Speaker 1: on that, and I think it's one of the things

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01:10:55,120 --> 01:10:57,920
Speaker 1: that the league will continue to address. But consistency is

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01:10:57,960 --> 01:11:00,400
Speaker 1: the only thing anybody cares about, and it's one thing

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01:11:00,400 --> 01:11:04,240
Speaker 1: that seems elusive. Yeah, Sadly, the teams now have to

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01:11:04,320 --> 01:11:07,400
Speaker 1: scout the officiating cruise. Once upon a time you scouted

1309
01:11:07,439 --> 01:11:10,000
Speaker 1: your opponents. Now you got to scout the efficiating cruise.

1310
01:11:10,040 --> 01:11:13,519
Speaker 1: Find out who calls what on what cruise? Right, And

1311
01:11:13,640 --> 01:11:16,439
Speaker 1: that's time, that's that's that's man hours, that's that's you know,

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01:11:16,560 --> 01:11:19,320
Speaker 1: energy wasted. That the league should be. The league should

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01:11:19,320 --> 01:11:21,920
Speaker 1: be addressing this, not the teams. Yeah, right when we're

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01:11:22,000 --> 01:11:23,920
Speaker 1: unfortunately out of time, Rick, because I could get into

1315
01:11:23,960 --> 01:11:25,920
Speaker 1: a whole conversation with you about why the hell we're

1316
01:11:25,960 --> 01:11:29,280
Speaker 1: still using chains to measure first downs in a league

1317
01:11:29,280 --> 01:11:32,240
Speaker 1: that's supposed to be more advanced than any other. I've

1318
01:11:32,280 --> 01:11:34,800
Speaker 1: got a whole electronic guy that you use, like with

1319
01:11:34,840 --> 01:11:37,439
Speaker 1: your garage door opener, put a chip in the ball

1320
01:11:37,479 --> 01:11:39,960
Speaker 1: and measure it that way. But they call me crazy.

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01:11:40,000 --> 01:11:42,599
Speaker 1: What the heck do I know? So thanks for the time, though, Rick,

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01:11:42,640 --> 01:11:44,880
Speaker 1: we appreciate it. You're waiting on a bunch of stuff

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01:11:44,880 --> 01:11:47,160
Speaker 1: for us. Thanks so good to talk to you. My

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01:11:47,320 --> 01:11:49,599
Speaker 1: pleasure you guys. All right, that's Rick Gosland joining us

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01:11:49,920 --> 01:11:53,120
Speaker 1: from Sports Illustrated. Talk of Fame Network. Guys covered the

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01:11:53,160 --> 01:11:55,560
Speaker 1: league for about fifty years. A guy is like a

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01:11:55,640 --> 01:11:58,880
Speaker 1: savant when it comes to NFL information. Started. He started

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01:11:59,040 --> 01:12:02,639
Speaker 1: keeping track of spec teams back in five Yeah, so

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01:12:02,840 --> 01:12:05,080
Speaker 1: it was. It's been a lawing from the time I

1330
01:12:05,120 --> 01:12:08,519
Speaker 1: started in the league. So um, yeah, he's got a

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01:12:08,600 --> 01:12:11,040
Speaker 1: wealth of knowledge. Yeah. And I did want to pick

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01:12:11,080 --> 01:12:12,920
Speaker 1: his brain a little bit on you know, the Hall

1333
01:12:12,960 --> 01:12:16,240
Speaker 1: of Fame class and because sometimes those debates get pretty heated,

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01:12:16,640 --> 01:12:18,599
Speaker 1: you know, and I was I was trying. I didn't

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01:12:18,600 --> 01:12:21,120
Speaker 1: want to name names, and I'm like, what about bisselli

1336
01:12:21,320 --> 01:12:24,639
Speaker 1: short career? Did that spark any debate? You know? Oh,

1337
01:12:25,080 --> 01:12:28,080
Speaker 1: always wonder about all those things. But it sounded based

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01:12:28,080 --> 01:12:30,840
Speaker 1: on what he said, like people thought Bisselli had been

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01:12:30,880 --> 01:12:34,120
Speaker 1: deserving for some time. And and he called it a

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01:12:34,160 --> 01:12:36,800
Speaker 1: clean up class, like, hey, we've got some guys that

1341
01:12:36,840 --> 01:12:38,519
Speaker 1: have been in the queue for a while here, let's

1342
01:12:38,560 --> 01:12:41,080
Speaker 1: just get get these guys taken care of and go right.

1343
01:12:41,520 --> 01:12:45,960
Speaker 1: And he's right, there's been complaints about guys getting excluded,

1344
01:12:46,640 --> 01:12:49,440
Speaker 1: um and not being able to get in for decades,

1345
01:12:49,800 --> 01:12:54,679
Speaker 1: and and and and it's not like he's he's everybody's

1346
01:12:54,680 --> 01:12:57,840
Speaker 1: blaming Rick Gosling and the guy from Tampa and Peter

1347
01:12:58,000 --> 01:13:00,240
Speaker 1: King and all these guys, all the selects there. It's

1348
01:13:00,240 --> 01:13:03,320
Speaker 1: not their fault. They don't have enough they yeah, they

1349
01:13:03,360 --> 01:13:06,040
Speaker 1: don't have enough seats, like he said, seats to the table.

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01:13:06,320 --> 01:13:10,439
Speaker 1: So uh and and for me, I'm the Hall of

1351
01:13:10,439 --> 01:13:14,040
Speaker 1: Fame is is a pretty lofty spot. And it's okay

1352
01:13:14,040 --> 01:13:16,920
Speaker 1: that it's a little bit selective at least a little bit, right.

1353
01:13:17,640 --> 01:13:22,200
Speaker 1: And you well, it's the clearly the most selective in

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01:13:22,240 --> 01:13:25,240
Speaker 1: all of professional sports, certainly in this country. I mean

1355
01:13:25,280 --> 01:13:28,880
Speaker 1: by far. Uh. You know, there's other Hall of Fames

1356
01:13:28,920 --> 01:13:33,439
Speaker 1: that are pointed at and mocked for being the Hall

1357
01:13:33,439 --> 01:13:37,439
Speaker 1: of very good, not even being the Hall of greats um.

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01:13:38,280 --> 01:13:40,360
Speaker 1: At least the NFL has that to hold onto. Our

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01:13:40,360 --> 01:13:43,479
Speaker 1: pro football has that to hold onto. But there is

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01:13:43,520 --> 01:13:46,439
Speaker 1: a log jam. And you're Rick Gosland saying he's got

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01:13:46,439 --> 01:13:49,920
Speaker 1: a list of one hundred candidates, ninety eight percent of

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01:13:49,960 --> 01:13:53,599
Speaker 1: them have been all decade players, and they haven't even

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01:13:53,600 --> 01:13:57,320
Speaker 1: been discussed as finalists, you included because you've never been

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01:13:57,360 --> 01:14:01,160
Speaker 1: a finalist, as preposterous as that is. So, Hopefully he

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01:14:01,360 --> 01:14:03,839
Speaker 1: and his Hall of Fame selectors, with the new president

1366
01:14:03,840 --> 01:14:05,800
Speaker 1: at the Pro Football Hall of Fame, can get some

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01:14:05,880 --> 01:14:08,720
Speaker 1: movement on that and maybe open up the seats to

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01:14:08,840 --> 01:14:14,720
Speaker 1: seven modern ary candidates a year and three veterans Committee recommendations,

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01:14:15,000 --> 01:14:17,200
Speaker 1: and then you have an induction class of ten every year.

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01:14:17,680 --> 01:14:21,360
Speaker 1: That would help alleviate the problem that currently exists. We

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01:14:21,400 --> 01:14:23,240
Speaker 1: have to take a break here, but Gary and North

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01:14:23,320 --> 01:14:26,360
Speaker 1: Colin Styler and North Carolina Hilliard and Victor hang on.

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01:14:26,400 --> 01:14:28,320
Speaker 1: We'll get to you guys when we return here on

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Speaker 1: One Bills Live presented by Kalid to Health. It's Buffalo

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01:14:30,520 --> 01:14:45,439
Speaker 1: Bill's Radio. All right, welcome back to One Bills Live.

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01:14:46,160 --> 01:14:47,720
Speaker 1: We got to get to the phone calls. Got some

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01:14:47,800 --> 01:14:51,320
Speaker 1: people waiting patiently there as we were talking about, you know,

1378
01:14:51,360 --> 01:14:54,880
Speaker 1: whether Aaron Donald and Sean McVay, who have talked about

1379
01:14:54,920 --> 01:14:57,639
Speaker 1: retiring early in the wake of their Super Bowl victory,

1380
01:14:58,080 --> 01:15:00,240
Speaker 1: is something that could become somewhat of a train in

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01:15:00,240 --> 01:15:01,920
Speaker 1: the league. You know, guys that have done just about

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01:15:01,920 --> 01:15:03,800
Speaker 1: everything they can do, even though they are young in

1383
01:15:03,840 --> 01:15:06,000
Speaker 1: their career and just say, yeah, I don't want to

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01:15:06,000 --> 01:15:08,080
Speaker 1: get beat up anymore. I'm hanging it up. I got

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01:15:08,080 --> 01:15:11,200
Speaker 1: more money than God and I'm good to go. Could

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01:15:11,280 --> 01:15:14,040
Speaker 1: that become a trend going forward? And so that's part

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01:15:14,080 --> 01:15:15,840
Speaker 1: of what we're discussing today. But let's get to the

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01:15:15,880 --> 01:15:17,720
Speaker 1: phones and we go to Gary and North Collins. First.

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01:15:17,760 --> 01:15:18,960
Speaker 1: What do you have for is Gary or A one

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01:15:18,960 --> 01:15:22,920
Speaker 1: bills live? Hey, guys, thanks for having me on sure

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01:15:23,040 --> 01:15:27,479
Speaker 1: bet um. First thing you guys were talking about earlier

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01:15:27,520 --> 01:15:30,280
Speaker 1: with the sandwich is like some hot foods tastes better

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01:15:31,360 --> 01:15:33,479
Speaker 1: the next day when they're cold, like a pizza, Some

1394
01:15:33,600 --> 01:15:36,320
Speaker 1: pizza stastes better. Yeah, we had that one. We had

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01:15:36,360 --> 01:15:39,280
Speaker 1: that discussion as well. Actually earlier in the week or

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01:15:39,320 --> 01:15:42,160
Speaker 1: was it last week? Steve and I submitted pizza as

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01:15:42,200 --> 01:15:44,639
Speaker 1: one of the answers in terms of the top three.

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01:15:45,080 --> 01:15:48,400
Speaker 1: Lasagna is another and the third. Yeah, chili was on

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01:15:48,439 --> 01:15:51,280
Speaker 1: the list. And another one I submitted was Chinese food

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01:15:51,360 --> 01:15:53,840
Speaker 1: left over. Oh yeah, is well you got to warm

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01:15:53,840 --> 01:15:55,639
Speaker 1: it up again, though it can't you can't get cold,

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01:15:55,960 --> 01:15:58,040
Speaker 1: but it warmed up. It's great you didn't die on

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01:15:58,080 --> 01:15:59,880
Speaker 1: that hill, but you were taking fire on the channel.

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01:15:59,880 --> 01:16:02,920
Speaker 1: I was even called all right, what else you got,

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01:16:02,960 --> 01:16:06,920
Speaker 1: Gary Um when you were talking about guys that you

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01:16:06,960 --> 01:16:08,880
Speaker 1: know play the game for the money and guys that

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01:16:08,960 --> 01:16:11,439
Speaker 1: play the game that you know love the game. Yeah,

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01:16:11,479 --> 01:16:13,679
Speaker 1: it's like a guy going to the stock market makes

1409
01:16:13,680 --> 01:16:16,479
Speaker 1: five million and walks away and another guy spends his

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01:16:16,520 --> 01:16:19,200
Speaker 1: whole light there and walks away with less than five million,

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01:16:19,280 --> 01:16:22,719
Speaker 1: you know, Yeah, yeah, I mean there are halves and havents.

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01:16:22,760 --> 01:16:27,479
Speaker 1: I don't think there's any question about and yeah, no question.

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01:16:28,080 --> 01:16:29,680
Speaker 1: And you look at a guy that maybe one of

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01:16:29,680 --> 01:16:31,760
Speaker 1: the richer guys in the world is the guy with

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01:16:31,960 --> 01:16:39,800
Speaker 1: UM guys in Nebraska, and uh, what's he have? I

1416
01:16:39,800 --> 01:16:42,640
Speaker 1: can't remember. Oh, you're talking about the billionaire. Yeah, the billionaire.

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01:16:42,920 --> 01:16:46,160
Speaker 1: Uh he. There are guys who do it because it's

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01:16:46,200 --> 01:16:49,880
Speaker 1: what they love to do. Uh. They they like to

1419
01:16:49,920 --> 01:16:53,639
Speaker 1: find things out and invest in things. And um Stearns

1420
01:16:53,720 --> 01:16:57,719
Speaker 1: Hathaway Um is the name of his fund. So Warren Buffet,

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01:16:57,760 --> 01:17:01,080
Speaker 1: Warren Buffett, And he does it because it's what he does.

1422
01:17:01,320 --> 01:17:06,960
Speaker 1: He loves the the accumulation, and he loves it. Once

1423
01:17:07,000 --> 01:17:09,720
Speaker 1: he's got it, he gives you. That's what he does.

1424
01:17:09,760 --> 01:17:12,040
Speaker 1: He couldn't spend the money in three lifetimes, right, and

1425
01:17:12,040 --> 01:17:16,840
Speaker 1: he doesn't care to. So everybody does what they do

1426
01:17:16,920 --> 01:17:18,800
Speaker 1: for a reason. And when you get down to the core,

1427
01:17:19,240 --> 01:17:21,720
Speaker 1: rock bottom of it, when you've achieved the thing that

1428
01:17:21,760 --> 01:17:25,080
Speaker 1: you're going after, it's time to do something else. But

1429
01:17:25,080 --> 01:17:28,040
Speaker 1: but here's the thing, at least if you want to,

1430
01:17:29,320 --> 01:17:32,320
Speaker 1: if you want to support the idea that players a

1431
01:17:32,320 --> 01:17:36,640
Speaker 1: retiring sooner than ever could possibly happen, it isn't just

1432
01:17:36,720 --> 01:17:40,280
Speaker 1: the top of the money making food chain in the league,

1433
01:17:40,320 --> 01:17:43,639
Speaker 1: because almost everybody makes good money in this league. Now,

1434
01:17:44,400 --> 01:17:47,479
Speaker 1: you know, the salaries have advanced to a point and

1435
01:17:47,520 --> 01:17:51,040
Speaker 1: there are more guarantees in NFL contracts than ever before.

1436
01:17:52,080 --> 01:17:57,000
Speaker 1: So there are players who are you know, in the

1437
01:17:57,000 --> 01:18:00,920
Speaker 1: middle market there that walk away from seven eight years

1438
01:18:01,160 --> 01:18:05,960
Speaker 1: careers with ten twelve million dollars. Yeah. Um, there's a

1439
01:18:06,000 --> 01:18:08,439
Speaker 1: lot of people who can live on that. So after

1440
01:18:08,479 --> 01:18:11,280
Speaker 1: eight years in the league, you've got twelve fifteen million

1441
01:18:11,320 --> 01:18:14,120
Speaker 1: in the bank, you're a pretty good shape. You could

1442
01:18:14,120 --> 01:18:16,760
Speaker 1: just walk away if you want to, right, And and

1443
01:18:16,800 --> 01:18:18,479
Speaker 1: we've had some people chime in and say, you know,

1444
01:18:18,760 --> 01:18:21,120
Speaker 1: it's better to leave a little too soon than a

1445
01:18:21,160 --> 01:18:23,639
Speaker 1: little too late, because you leave a little too late,

1446
01:18:23,640 --> 01:18:25,799
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden five years after you've retired,

1447
01:18:25,840 --> 01:18:30,080
Speaker 1: you're getting your knee replaced, hit replace, or you're you know,

1448
01:18:30,240 --> 01:18:34,760
Speaker 1: or something you know worse, or you stay around too

1449
01:18:34,800 --> 01:18:37,200
Speaker 1: long and now you've got something catastrophic that happens, and

1450
01:18:37,560 --> 01:18:41,200
Speaker 1: it's bad. So people who have you know, not professional

1451
01:18:41,200 --> 01:18:44,200
Speaker 1: athletes get hurt on their jobs all the time in

1452
01:18:44,240 --> 01:18:46,439
Speaker 1: this country. You know, it's a it's a it's a

1453
01:18:46,479 --> 01:18:48,479
Speaker 1: big wide world out there, and people get hurt doing

1454
01:18:48,520 --> 01:18:50,800
Speaker 1: different things. If they get hurt at work and they

1455
01:18:50,840 --> 01:18:54,960
Speaker 1: can't work, you know, and and work can't hold a job,

1456
01:18:55,080 --> 01:18:58,280
Speaker 1: or you know, for whatever reason. You know, they're kind

1457
01:18:58,280 --> 01:19:02,439
Speaker 1: of in the same boat that except that you know

1458
01:19:02,479 --> 01:19:05,360
Speaker 1: they you know, a football player could get hurt at

1459
01:19:05,400 --> 01:19:07,479
Speaker 1: any moment. We kind of all kind of see that.

1460
01:19:07,640 --> 01:19:10,000
Speaker 1: Even in the Super Bowl. I mean, Odell Beckham Junior

1461
01:19:10,040 --> 01:19:13,080
Speaker 1: just goes down, just like Turdavious White. They just go down,

1462
01:19:13,120 --> 01:19:17,920
Speaker 1: and now their entire careers in jeopardy. Once you've played

1463
01:19:17,960 --> 01:19:20,799
Speaker 1: long enough to sign a deal like Turdavious White signed,

1464
01:19:21,600 --> 01:19:26,080
Speaker 1: and or you know a Aaron Donald or Cooper cup

1465
01:19:26,160 --> 01:19:28,519
Speaker 1: or Matt Stafford or any other you know, Aaron Rodgers,

1466
01:19:28,600 --> 01:19:30,000
Speaker 1: and you know you can go on down the list

1467
01:19:30,040 --> 01:19:31,439
Speaker 1: of all these guys you know are making a ton

1468
01:19:31,479 --> 01:19:34,160
Speaker 1: of money, like TJ. Watt or JJ Watt for that matter.

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01:19:35,080 --> 01:19:38,000
Speaker 1: Why are you hanging around when you're not the player

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01:19:38,040 --> 01:19:41,320
Speaker 1: you once were? You kind of got this stuff. You're

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01:19:41,360 --> 01:19:43,439
Speaker 1: you know, the shoulder you're dragging around because it's not

1472
01:19:43,560 --> 01:19:45,960
Speaker 1: quite right because you had it worked on twice. Your

1473
01:19:46,000 --> 01:19:47,640
Speaker 1: knee's not quite right because you had it worked on

1474
01:19:47,720 --> 01:19:50,120
Speaker 1: four times. You had your arm broken, and a guy

1475
01:19:50,160 --> 01:19:52,320
Speaker 1: like me, I've had my hands broken more times than

1476
01:19:52,360 --> 01:19:57,720
Speaker 1: I can county, why are you doing it? And the

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01:19:57,800 --> 01:20:01,240
Speaker 1: answer is obviously if they're still doing minute, it's not

1478
01:20:01,280 --> 01:20:06,040
Speaker 1: for the money. It's not for the money. Yeah, let's

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01:20:06,080 --> 01:20:08,040
Speaker 1: get back to the phones. We go to Tyler in

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01:20:08,200 --> 01:20:12,800
Speaker 1: North Carolina. Where do you got first? Tyler? Hey, what's

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01:20:12,800 --> 01:20:16,920
Speaker 1: going on? Guys? Just appreciates you take to my call. Um. So,

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01:20:17,520 --> 01:20:21,600
Speaker 1: I hadn't had a specific question for Chris, and I

1483
01:20:21,680 --> 01:20:25,160
Speaker 1: also had an idea for a trade. It's probably a

1484
01:20:26,000 --> 01:20:29,240
Speaker 1: like shooting for the stars the moon, maybe another universe.

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01:20:29,240 --> 01:20:33,240
Speaker 1: But my question for Chris is I know that he

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01:20:33,680 --> 01:20:37,040
Speaker 1: really cares, or it seems like he really cares to

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01:20:37,080 --> 01:20:39,439
Speaker 1: get a corner that the bills get a corner. I

1488
01:20:39,479 --> 01:20:42,280
Speaker 1: was wondering if there were any names that you had.

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01:20:42,400 --> 01:20:44,960
Speaker 1: I know, last year in the offseason, I had my

1490
01:20:45,000 --> 01:20:47,559
Speaker 1: eyes on Stephen Nelson from Pittsburgh. I saw there were

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01:20:47,560 --> 01:20:49,400
Speaker 1: some reports that the Bills were talking to him. So

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01:20:49,520 --> 01:20:52,920
Speaker 1: it does see like the Bills are looking for a corner.

1493
01:20:53,320 --> 01:20:55,200
Speaker 1: I didn't know if maybe you were thinking Andrew Booth

1494
01:20:55,280 --> 01:21:00,559
Speaker 1: from Clemson, McDuffie from Washington, or I mean, would you

1495
01:21:00,600 --> 01:21:04,000
Speaker 1: want Stefan Gilmore to come back? Who knows? But I

1496
01:21:04,040 --> 01:21:05,960
Speaker 1: was wondering if there was anybody who had your eye on.

1497
01:21:06,320 --> 01:21:09,400
Speaker 1: And the idea that I had for a trade is

1498
01:21:09,600 --> 01:21:13,000
Speaker 1: I know that Chandler Jones is going to be in

1499
01:21:13,120 --> 01:21:15,519
Speaker 1: free agency, and I'm not sure what our cap space

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01:21:15,640 --> 01:21:17,840
Speaker 1: is looking like, but do you think it's a possibility

1501
01:21:17,880 --> 01:21:22,439
Speaker 1: that the Bills could sign him and maybe even trade

1502
01:21:22,600 --> 01:21:26,639
Speaker 1: for Khalil Mack. That's the shooting for the Stars. He's older,

1503
01:21:27,080 --> 01:21:29,760
Speaker 1: he's been hurt, maybe the Bears want to move on

1504
01:21:29,840 --> 01:21:31,559
Speaker 1: from him or something like that, but he could still

1505
01:21:31,600 --> 01:21:34,920
Speaker 1: come to our team and be an upgrade and so

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01:21:35,040 --> 01:21:37,400
Speaker 1: cold Chandler Jones, So I wanted to think. I want

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01:21:37,400 --> 01:21:40,200
Speaker 1: to hear what you guys thought about those Yeah, sure,

1508
01:21:40,280 --> 01:21:42,880
Speaker 1: and thanks for the call. Tyler appreciate um. I would

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01:21:43,000 --> 01:21:45,160
Speaker 1: give you those names he's talking about. He was talking

1510
01:21:45,200 --> 01:21:48,400
Speaker 1: about Khalil Mack chiefly right, Who was the other guy

1511
01:21:48,520 --> 01:21:54,920
Speaker 1: Tyler signing Chandler Jones trading for Khalil Matt. Yeah, okay,

1512
01:21:55,800 --> 01:21:57,400
Speaker 1: I'm gonna put you on hold in case you need

1513
01:21:57,479 --> 01:22:03,439
Speaker 1: to listen there. I would say this Matt Eberflus, who's

1514
01:22:03,479 --> 01:22:05,360
Speaker 1: trying to get off to a good start in Chicago

1515
01:22:05,400 --> 01:22:08,439
Speaker 1: as the new head coach, probably doesn't want to part

1516
01:22:08,920 --> 01:22:11,720
Speaker 1: with his best pass rushing talent on the roster. So

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01:22:11,800 --> 01:22:14,800
Speaker 1: I would say it would take even at his advanced age.

1518
01:22:14,800 --> 01:22:17,719
Speaker 1: Because Khalil Mack, I think is approaching thirty years old,

1519
01:22:18,240 --> 01:22:22,040
Speaker 1: it might not quite be there yet. I think it

1520
01:22:22,040 --> 01:22:23,680
Speaker 1: would be hard pressed to get him out of there.

1521
01:22:24,439 --> 01:22:26,400
Speaker 1: That's number one, So it might take too much to

1522
01:22:26,400 --> 01:22:30,439
Speaker 1: pry him away from Chicago. Chandler Jones, I believe, is

1523
01:22:30,439 --> 01:22:33,479
Speaker 1: also on the wrong side of thirty or might be

1524
01:22:33,520 --> 01:22:38,519
Speaker 1: exactly thirty years old. And while I think they want

1525
01:22:38,560 --> 01:22:41,519
Speaker 1: to prove in veteran pass rusher and I think they

1526
01:22:41,640 --> 01:22:44,120
Speaker 1: might make some moves to create enough cap space to

1527
01:22:44,240 --> 01:22:48,240
Speaker 1: get somebody. I don't know if it's a guy on

1528
01:22:48,280 --> 01:22:53,160
Speaker 1: the wrong side of thirty. Usually, when this team decides

1529
01:22:53,240 --> 01:22:56,799
Speaker 1: to spend, they do it that with someone that has

1530
01:22:56,880 --> 01:22:59,080
Speaker 1: some on ramp left in front of them. And what

1531
01:22:59,120 --> 01:23:03,320
Speaker 1: I mean by that is usually twenty eight, maybe twenty

1532
01:23:03,400 --> 01:23:06,639
Speaker 1: nine years old is the range that they typically look

1533
01:23:06,680 --> 01:23:09,360
Speaker 1: at where they know they're gonna get three or four

1534
01:23:09,479 --> 01:23:11,680
Speaker 1: good years out of said player if they're going to

1535
01:23:11,760 --> 01:23:14,679
Speaker 1: make the investment of that size, especially at a high

1536
01:23:14,720 --> 01:23:19,360
Speaker 1: priced position like defensive end. So I don't know if

1537
01:23:19,400 --> 01:23:23,960
Speaker 1: those guys are the top picks for that position as

1538
01:23:24,000 --> 01:23:26,920
Speaker 1: far as what the Bills typically look for. I do

1539
01:23:27,000 --> 01:23:29,160
Speaker 1: think they do want to prove in pass rusher and

1540
01:23:29,320 --> 01:23:31,760
Speaker 1: let the young guys grow around a guy like that,

1541
01:23:34,200 --> 01:23:36,719
Speaker 1: do they, you know? And Von Miller's an old guy too,

1542
01:23:36,920 --> 01:23:39,360
Speaker 1: who's probably still going to command a high price tag.

1543
01:23:39,560 --> 01:23:43,360
Speaker 1: It's an interesting group that's in the free agent pool

1544
01:23:43,439 --> 01:23:47,599
Speaker 1: right now. Von Miller, Chandler, Jones, Jadavian Clowney. Harold Landry

1545
01:23:48,120 --> 01:23:50,479
Speaker 1: is an intriguing guy, but he's gonna make giant money

1546
01:23:50,479 --> 01:23:52,519
Speaker 1: this year, money that I think is gonna be too

1547
01:23:52,600 --> 01:23:58,160
Speaker 1: rich for the Bill's blood. Emmanuel Ogba, Hassan Reddick Reddick

1548
01:23:58,200 --> 01:24:00,640
Speaker 1: I don't know if he fits the size profile that

1549
01:24:00,680 --> 01:24:03,639
Speaker 1: they typically look for. They look for big, long defensive ends.

1550
01:24:03,880 --> 01:24:06,719
Speaker 1: There are always exceptions. I don't know if that's gonna

1551
01:24:06,760 --> 01:24:09,160
Speaker 1: fit either, you know, and then you very quickly get

1552
01:24:09,200 --> 01:24:11,240
Speaker 1: down the list. You know, a guy that I think

1553
01:24:11,240 --> 01:24:16,200
Speaker 1: could make sense for them is Derek Barnett around twenty

1554
01:24:16,240 --> 01:24:21,040
Speaker 1: eight years old, Philadelphia, former first round pick. His production

1555
01:24:21,040 --> 01:24:23,000
Speaker 1: has been a little bit touching go the last couple

1556
01:24:23,000 --> 01:24:26,280
Speaker 1: of years, but he's still an enormous talent. I think

1557
01:24:26,280 --> 01:24:29,559
Speaker 1: it's more likely to be a guy like that than

1558
01:24:29,640 --> 01:24:32,120
Speaker 1: somebody maybe at the top of the food chain in

1559
01:24:32,200 --> 01:24:35,160
Speaker 1: free agency. As far as cornerback goes. Yeah, I mean

1560
01:24:35,160 --> 01:24:37,240
Speaker 1: you're looking at it. There's a long list. It starts

1561
01:24:37,280 --> 01:24:39,599
Speaker 1: with you know, the two guys that the Bills, Bills

1562
01:24:39,640 --> 01:24:43,679
Speaker 1: fans know very well is J. C. Jackson and Stefan Gilmour.

1563
01:24:44,680 --> 01:24:52,160
Speaker 1: You got Carlton Davis from Tampa Bay, Casey Hayward Junior

1564
01:24:54,800 --> 01:24:57,479
Speaker 1: was he's gonna be you know, he was with the

1565
01:24:57,560 --> 01:25:04,840
Speaker 1: Chargers for that, Darius Williams, uh, Steve Nelson, Yeah, Steven Nelson, right,

1566
01:25:04,880 --> 01:25:08,360
Speaker 1: who Tyler already mentioned from last years. You know, you

1567
01:25:08,439 --> 01:25:10,479
Speaker 1: start there and go DJ re junior and there's a

1568
01:25:10,479 --> 01:25:13,280
Speaker 1: bunch of guys out there. And this is how I

1569
01:25:13,320 --> 01:25:16,559
Speaker 1: see it, though, Steve, You've got a defensive end position

1570
01:25:16,640 --> 01:25:23,439
Speaker 1: on this roster that with all the free agents out there, Addison, Hughes, Obada,

1571
01:25:23,680 --> 01:25:28,200
Speaker 1: it's gonna get tremendously young and unproven on this roster.

1572
01:25:28,439 --> 01:25:30,519
Speaker 1: If none of those guys come back, go straight to

1573
01:25:30,600 --> 01:25:36,200
Speaker 1: Rousseau Bashama, right. So to me, that screams you need

1574
01:25:36,240 --> 01:25:39,280
Speaker 1: a veteran there. Whether you know so. I think that

1575
01:25:39,479 --> 01:25:42,720
Speaker 1: free agency, if you're gonna swing for somebody that's a

1576
01:25:42,800 --> 01:25:45,200
Speaker 1: proven player at his position, it would be at the

1577
01:25:45,240 --> 01:25:49,240
Speaker 1: defensive end position to help this roster. At corner you

1578
01:25:49,400 --> 01:25:53,000
Speaker 1: have a veteran Intradavious White, you have a young up

1579
01:25:53,040 --> 01:25:56,680
Speaker 1: and coming player in Dane Jackson, and you have a

1580
01:25:56,760 --> 01:26:00,880
Speaker 1: proven nickel in tarn Johnson. I think you can afford

1581
01:26:01,320 --> 01:26:04,600
Speaker 1: to add top flight youth at that position, which is

1582
01:26:04,640 --> 01:26:08,480
Speaker 1: why I feel the draft is where they address cornerback

1583
01:26:08,640 --> 01:26:10,760
Speaker 1: based on the composition of your roster at those two

1584
01:26:10,800 --> 01:26:13,559
Speaker 1: respective positions. One kid I like, and I'm just getting

1585
01:26:13,560 --> 01:26:16,160
Speaker 1: into my studies here, you know, once the season's over,

1586
01:26:16,200 --> 01:26:18,960
Speaker 1: I take a breath, then I dive into draft. But

1587
01:26:19,080 --> 01:26:21,760
Speaker 1: Kyler Gordon, the corner at Washington's a kid that I like.

1588
01:26:21,920 --> 01:26:25,439
Speaker 1: I like his size, his physicality. He seems to play

1589
01:26:25,479 --> 01:26:28,599
Speaker 1: a brand of football that Sean McDermott likes to see

1590
01:26:29,520 --> 01:26:33,240
Speaker 1: out of his corners, run, supportability, that kind of stuff.

1591
01:26:33,600 --> 01:26:36,600
Speaker 1: So Kyler Gordon's a guy that I like. Whether the

1592
01:26:36,600 --> 01:26:39,040
Speaker 1: Bills like him, who knows. We'll find out. I guess

1593
01:26:39,040 --> 01:26:42,800
Speaker 1: in late April he's still on the board, so we'll

1594
01:26:42,800 --> 01:26:45,080
Speaker 1: have to see. But that's kind of my assessment there.

1595
01:26:45,720 --> 01:26:48,000
Speaker 1: We got to take a break here. Mike and north

1596
01:26:48,000 --> 01:26:50,599
Speaker 1: Tonawanda will try to squeeze in when we get back

1597
01:26:50,600 --> 01:27:05,480
Speaker 1: and close things up here on one Bill's Live, Stay tune.

1598
01:27:06,960 --> 01:27:08,599
Speaker 1: All right, We're gonna get right back to the phones

1599
01:27:08,640 --> 01:27:10,840
Speaker 1: here and we go to Mike and north Town. I

1600
01:27:10,920 --> 01:27:14,920
Speaker 1: wanted to close this out. What do you have first, Mike, Hey,

1601
01:27:15,000 --> 01:27:17,280
Speaker 1: real quick comment, Thanks for taking my call. Um, Chris,

1602
01:27:17,280 --> 01:27:19,120
Speaker 1: I'm with you as far as that last comment. As

1603
01:27:19,160 --> 01:27:21,400
Speaker 1: far as you know the experience on the defensive end

1604
01:27:21,400 --> 01:27:24,360
Speaker 1: in the corner taking one up in the draft, I

1605
01:27:24,400 --> 01:27:26,519
Speaker 1: think that's a situation that needs to be addressed. But

1606
01:27:26,680 --> 01:27:31,280
Speaker 1: my concern is that your last person that you had,

1607
01:27:31,320 --> 01:27:33,320
Speaker 1: your last gas brought up a good point as far

1608
01:27:33,479 --> 01:27:38,360
Speaker 1: as the referees, is that something that can be dressed

1609
01:27:38,439 --> 01:27:41,640
Speaker 1: at the owner's meeting, and the owners put pressure on

1610
01:27:41,720 --> 01:27:44,280
Speaker 1: the NFL because I mean, I know people that have

1611
01:27:44,400 --> 01:27:47,880
Speaker 1: stopped watching the NFL because the referees and the lack

1612
01:27:47,920 --> 01:27:52,559
Speaker 1: of calls or the inconsistencies is really really becoming a problem. Yeah,

1613
01:27:52,720 --> 01:27:55,519
Speaker 1: there's no question it's a consistency issue. Steve addressed it

1614
01:27:55,520 --> 01:27:59,519
Speaker 1: with Rick Goslin and thanks for the call, Mike. It's

1615
01:27:59,560 --> 01:28:02,120
Speaker 1: not any easy thing to fix, and I think people

1616
01:28:02,160 --> 01:28:04,760
Speaker 1: that want to stand in the way of trying to

1617
01:28:04,760 --> 01:28:08,240
Speaker 1: find ways to improve it, we'll say something like this, Well,

1618
01:28:08,600 --> 01:28:13,960
Speaker 1: we're asking humans to officiate the same way across seventeen crews.

1619
01:28:14,040 --> 01:28:16,160
Speaker 1: That's impossible. How do you do that with all the

1620
01:28:16,240 --> 01:28:18,360
Speaker 1: variables that exist in the league. And while there is

1621
01:28:18,439 --> 01:28:21,879
Speaker 1: merit to that argument, it shouldn't stop you from finding

1622
01:28:21,880 --> 01:28:24,320
Speaker 1: ways to make it better. And make it better, is right.

1623
01:28:24,320 --> 01:28:26,040
Speaker 1: You don't have to make it perfect, but make it better.

1624
01:28:26,040 --> 01:28:27,439
Speaker 1: And I think one of the ways is and the

1625
01:28:27,479 --> 01:28:29,400
Speaker 1: league is starting to do this more and more of

1626
01:28:29,400 --> 01:28:31,479
Speaker 1: the of the officials are going to be full time,

1627
01:28:32,000 --> 01:28:34,519
Speaker 1: and I think once they get them to be full time.

1628
01:28:34,560 --> 01:28:37,519
Speaker 1: Then they uniform, They send out videos, they send out

1629
01:28:37,640 --> 01:28:40,840
Speaker 1: training videos, they send out call this not this, watch

1630
01:28:40,920 --> 01:28:43,000
Speaker 1: out for this. And the more and more of the

1631
01:28:43,040 --> 01:28:46,840
Speaker 1: officiating cruise that can watch and see what they're being

1632
01:28:46,880 --> 01:28:48,640
Speaker 1: expected to do and what they want them to do

1633
01:28:48,680 --> 01:28:50,519
Speaker 1: and what they do not want them to do, the

1634
01:28:50,640 --> 01:28:54,760
Speaker 1: more consistent you can get across the board. That's you know,

1635
01:28:54,800 --> 01:28:56,920
Speaker 1: it's hard to do, but the league's working on it,

1636
01:28:57,000 --> 01:28:58,599
Speaker 1: no question about it, and I think they should keep

1637
01:28:58,640 --> 01:29:02,479
Speaker 1: the cruise together. Agree with Rick on that one. Same

1638
01:29:02,600 --> 01:29:05,560
Speaker 1: eight nine guys together, always have an alternate in the

1639
01:29:05,640 --> 01:29:08,519
Speaker 1: queue in case somebody gets sick or gets hurt. Same

1640
01:29:08,560 --> 01:29:11,200
Speaker 1: guys every week. Just like players learn to play off

1641
01:29:11,200 --> 01:29:14,480
Speaker 1: one another, the officials operate the same way. There's continuity

1642
01:29:14,520 --> 01:29:18,280
Speaker 1: there that helps with consistency too. That's all for us today,

1643
01:29:18,479 --> 01:29:21,720
Speaker 1: Steve and I back tomorrow where we'll have ESPN dot

1644
01:29:21,760 --> 01:29:25,000
Speaker 1: COM's Kevin Seaford with a list of offseason priorities. We'll

1645
01:29:25,040 --> 01:29:31,120
Speaker 1: see it one