Speaker 1: Hey guys, time for the Sunday sampler. Coming up on
Speaker 1: four Things with Amy Brown. Amy talked with Ashley Waller,
Speaker 1: who is actually a good friend.
Speaker 2: Of Kaitlyn and mine.
Speaker 1: With Kaitlin and I, however, you say that she's a
Speaker 1: celebrity hairstylist, she's a TV personality. She's the wife to
Speaker 1: Jason Waller, who it's Jason from Laguna Beach in the Hills,
Speaker 1: and so they talk about reality TV. They talk about
Speaker 1: Jason and his experience with addiction. That's how Jason and
Speaker 1: I know each other, and then learning how to be
Speaker 1: a partner with someone in recovery.
Speaker 2: So hang out for that.
Speaker 1: On the Bobby Cast, I sat down with one of
Speaker 1: my favorite new artists, Lauren Watkins. She grew up in Nashville,
Speaker 1: but she did not grow up in music in Nashville.
Speaker 2: So it's the double because it's rare for an artist
Speaker 2: to grow up here.
Speaker 1: But if they do, it's like Mitchell Tinpenny who kind
Speaker 1: of grew up in the industry, but she didn't do that.
Speaker 1: She's opening for Morgan Wallen on a stadium tour. We
Speaker 1: talk about that also why it's hard to play in Nashville,
Speaker 1: and they say she has barstool charm, which is interesting.
Speaker 1: So we have a lot of stuff to get to.
Speaker 1: Let's start with that. Here is Lauren Watkins on this
Speaker 1: week's Bobby Cast. I was reading an article about you
Speaker 1: and they have said something about you.
Speaker 2: It was a weird term. It was called like barstool chic.
Speaker 3: I know what you're thinking of, and I think of it.
Speaker 2: It was the barstool charm. That's what it was. You
Speaker 2: had a barstool charm, and I didn't know whether.
Speaker 4: I don't know what that means. If you're gonna.
Speaker 1: Ask, I don't know what it means either, And I
Speaker 1: could look at it and both ways. I think barstool
Speaker 1: charm barstoo would mean one of us normal, Yeah, cool,
Speaker 1: but it also yes, it also means that what did
Speaker 1: you did you read that? Have you seen people call
Speaker 1: you that?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 4: Yeah, no, I've seen it.
Speaker 1: So what did you take that as? I wouldn't have
Speaker 1: said barbol charm, but I didn't know you. I still
Speaker 1: wouldn't say barstool.
Speaker 3: I think a lot of my songs are set in
Speaker 3: a bar, and maybe I'm able to make.
Speaker 4: It seem more charming and it really is.
Speaker 2: That's how I took it good for you.
Speaker 1: I kind of I romanticized that I would have found
Speaker 1: that super negative anything about me I turned super negative
Speaker 1: good for you.
Speaker 4: For me, I was like, how can this be a
Speaker 4: good thing?
Speaker 1: But you're like the heartbreak for example, that is not
Speaker 1: a positive thing. And that's the whole the name of
Speaker 1: the whole product project there that you got to be
Speaker 1: pretty vulnerable to even talk about heartbreak and did a
Speaker 1: second ago? How hard? How easy was that? And then
Speaker 1: especially if people know you're singing about.
Speaker 3: Them, like, how wait say that again?
Speaker 2: It's multi layered.
Speaker 1: Hold on, if you're writing a song about having heartbreak
Speaker 1: in general, or you have you have a project, it's
Speaker 1: called heartbreak. That heartbreak had to come from root. Yes,
Speaker 1: so first of all you have to talk about it,
Speaker 1: and that that is like here, I'm gonna open my
Speaker 1: ribs up vulnerable. Yeah, But then it's the person that
Speaker 1: maybe broke your heart also getting to do a victory
Speaker 1: lap because I get to hear you singing about it
Speaker 1: like that.
Speaker 2: To me, my ego wouldn't allow that.
Speaker 4: No, I get that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And honestly, those are all thoughts that crossed my
Speaker 3: mind at some point, but just kind of went in
Speaker 3: one of hear out the other because I was just like, whatever,
Speaker 3: these are things I got to get off my chest.
Speaker 4: And yeah, but I also.
Speaker 3: The songs are probably about lots of different people, not
Speaker 3: just one.
Speaker 2: Oh, I completely agree with there's a lot of different people.
Speaker 1: Then, who's like she wrote lots of people doing or
Speaker 1: they're wrong and they think it's about it's not and
Speaker 1: they're telling them.
Speaker 3: I kind of like that though, because it's sort of like,
Speaker 3: I don't know, it's kind of funny if they think
Speaker 3: it's about them and it's really not.
Speaker 1: See, I would be why do you think that's about you?
Speaker 1: That's why I wouldn't be good. There's a lot of
Speaker 1: reason I wouldn't be good a songwriting. But that's the
Speaker 1: part where I would really struggle, was like to give
Speaker 1: somebody else like a little bit of shine where they
Speaker 1: were No.
Speaker 3: I totally get that, And you know, I guess what
Speaker 3: I'll say to that is my songs are for They're
Speaker 3: more for the people that I'm singing too rather than
Speaker 3: people i'm singing about. So those people can think whatever
Speaker 3: they think, but I just try not to care about it.
Speaker 1: Have you written anything ever and then someone heard it
Speaker 1: and you guys weren't good and they heard it.
Speaker 2: They were like, you know what that spoke to me?
Speaker 2: And then you were good again.
Speaker 4: Oh like a guy.
Speaker 2: Sure it could be a free It could even be
Speaker 2: a friend. Okay, like some dude.
Speaker 4: I've definitely burned bridge.
Speaker 3: Yes, if there was a bridge left, it was burned
Speaker 3: with the songs.
Speaker 1: But you didn't burn it so bad. It kind of
Speaker 1: rebuilt itself. No, yeah, good for you, I don't think so.
Speaker 2: Yeah, good for you.
Speaker 1: What's the most unexpected place that you've played, Like, difficult
Speaker 1: to play because you people weren't even really paying attention.
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, that's happened so many times. You know,
Speaker 3: I'm gonna say something that could be controversial. Nashville is
Speaker 3: tough to play.
Speaker 2: Oh hey, I'm sure this is going to really be controversial.
Speaker 2: I'll get a lot of hits on that one.
Speaker 3: Yes, I mean, I know you can probably like I
Speaker 3: Understandahale sucks to play.
Speaker 2: It sucks, I'll see.
Speaker 1: I hate playing shows here, Yeah, because I'm going to
Speaker 1: say a bunch of mean stuff. So then it doesn't
Speaker 1: make you look as so I'll cover for you. But
Speaker 1: then you follow me. I hate playing shows and that
Speaker 1: I love the people that live in Nashville are that
Speaker 1: come to my shows. I hate plaann shows in Nashville
Speaker 1: because there are two things that happen. One there's this like,
Speaker 1: all right, impressing me expectation because I don't perform at all.
Speaker 1: I'm on the road all the time if I'm doing
Speaker 1: stand up, and so if I'm finally doing a show here,
Speaker 1: it's people that just like see pictures on it and
Speaker 1: they're like, Okay, well let's see how good you really are.
Speaker 2: That vibe exists. First of all, there are peers.
Speaker 1: That finally want to come out and go like, all right,
Speaker 1: well let's see what you got that competitive yes, and
Speaker 1: then you want to hear something back from it, and
Speaker 1: then it starts to be unhealthy. And then it's also
Speaker 1: like ten hour meet and greets with everybody who you
Speaker 1: know and that live here that want to come and see.
Speaker 1: So Nashville is the worst place to I love Nashville
Speaker 1: and the people, but for the industry, it's hard because
Speaker 1: it's not just going to do a show for people
Speaker 1: that want to be entertained. It's also going to do
Speaker 1: a show for people that want you to prove your
Speaker 1: worth of craft and worth yeah, and that to me
Speaker 1: is why it's hard for me here.
Speaker 4: You said it best.
Speaker 3: I mean, I literally that's everything I'm thinking you just said,
Speaker 3: and it's it's a shame, like it hurts me as
Speaker 3: a native because I mean when I was growing up,
Speaker 3: like I said, I had no like foot in the industry.
Speaker 4: I didn't know that even existed.
Speaker 3: So when I was going to concerts, I was in
Speaker 3: the front row screaming my head off, not caring about
Speaker 3: who was there or whatever. I just wanted to be there.
Speaker 3: And yeah, it's tough now it does feel like everything
Speaker 3: you just said, it's a lot of people just try
Speaker 3: to be too cool.
Speaker 4: And the thing is.
Speaker 3: That people this is funny, like the people who matter,
Speaker 3: and by matter, I just mean like like kind of
Speaker 3: the big shots in the industry, like people who are
Speaker 3: really like I don't know, the people that you want
Speaker 3: to impress, they're not really trying to be too cool.
Speaker 3: They're just they're doing their job, like like there to
Speaker 3: cheer you on.
Speaker 2: But it's the people that are like insecure.
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, I'm insecure, and I say that from
Speaker 1: an insecure place. I'm not insecure in that way, but
Speaker 1: I'm in too. It's definitely a place of if somebody
Speaker 1: else roots for you, or somebody else says why you're
Speaker 1: really good, that must mean to them that they're not.
Speaker 1: I struggle with the same thing in different ways. Oh, same,
Speaker 1: So there are probably peers of yours or any artist.
Speaker 1: It's at a show and it's a little bit jealous,
Speaker 1: but can't be healthy about it.
Speaker 2: It's hard.
Speaker 3: It's hard, And I also think people like even as
Speaker 3: simple as yelling out during the show, yelling and screaming, cheering,
Speaker 3: people don't want to do it.
Speaker 4: They're scared.
Speaker 3: People are looking at them. Who's in the room, Who's
Speaker 3: going to see me look stupid? Yeah, and I a
Speaker 3: lot of my songwriter friends and I love to protest
Speaker 3: against that. And we'll go to our friends shows in
Speaker 3: town and just be the biggest fans, because.
Speaker 4: That's what you want.
Speaker 3: I mean, you work so hard, you're on the road
Speaker 3: and and and you then you get so excited to
Speaker 3: come home and play a show for your your people.
Speaker 4: And then it's like that and it's sort.
Speaker 5: Of sad, kind good.
Speaker 1: Cast up little food for yourself life, ain't Oh it's
Speaker 1: pretty bad.
Speaker 6: It's pretty beautiful that for a little more.
Speaker 2: Said, he can cut your kick in It with Full
Speaker 2: Thing with Amy Brown.
Speaker 7: Hey, it's Amy Brown from Four Things with Amy Brown.
Speaker 7: And here's what we talked about this week on my podcast.
Speaker 7: What encouragement do you have for people that, whatever the
Speaker 7: situation is, they're sort of living life like I'm just
Speaker 7: waiting for the next show to drop, like everything's great
Speaker 7: right now. And I mean, I think that they're going
Speaker 7: to be sober this time or they're not going to relapse,
Speaker 7: but like they can't get over waiting for the next
Speaker 7: show to drop.
Speaker 8: I think the biggest thing is it is absolutely impossi
Speaker 8: to struggle alone, Like you have got to find a
Speaker 8: support group or at least a person that you can
Speaker 8: speak in confidence to about what's going on. I think
Speaker 8: it's really important to vocalize and seek that professional help
Speaker 8: because being in that isolation alone and constantly thinking that
Speaker 8: things are going to change without having some sort of
Speaker 8: not necessarily outside opinion, but I just feel like it's
Speaker 8: a really, really, really lonely place to be when you
Speaker 8: are in the depths of somebody struggling with addiction.
Speaker 9: And I think as soon as you can.
Speaker 8: Tell somebody because your secrets make you so sick, and
Speaker 8: they can really hurt your life?
Speaker 9: Did you have to do some sort of an intervention?
Speaker 9: Oh yeah, it's okay.
Speaker 7: And what did that process collect for you? Because I
Speaker 7: know for everybody it's a little bit different. But if
Speaker 7: anybody's new to it, like you said, you'd never dealt
Speaker 7: with addiction before, and so because he had been there before,
Speaker 7: maybe he worked in that space, maybe he sort of
Speaker 7: knew who to call. But I can imagine if someone's
Speaker 7: never been through it all, it's whatever. It's like, wait,
Speaker 7: who do I even ask about where to start and
Speaker 7: how to start or do this whole intervention thing, because
Speaker 7: you just see it on TV. You see like, oh
Speaker 7: do I call everybody and we gather together in the
Speaker 7: living room. But it's it's case by case on how
Speaker 7: it needs.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I think everybody's situation is different. For us, it
Speaker 8: was like the moment when the vulnerability is there and
Speaker 8: the person is at their low. So a lot of times,
Speaker 8: like there'll be these really big waves through addiction when
Speaker 8: people are struggling and it's at that moment where they
Speaker 8: hit that low where they're very vulnerable and they're.
Speaker 9: Like, I don't want to do this anymore.
Speaker 8: You know, that's the moment that's the moment that you're like,
Speaker 8: we got to get everybody together, we got to send
Speaker 8: them off and get them to go, and that's just
Speaker 8: it's a non negotiable and they just they go. So
Speaker 8: for instance, when we had the interventional my husband to
Speaker 8: send him to treatment, it was his parents. I contacted
Speaker 8: his parents immediately because they love him, they had been
Speaker 8: through this with him for so many years and understood
Speaker 8: kind of what he was going through. I don't even
Speaker 8: think they at the time really knew exactly who to call.
Speaker 9: But my husband did have a.
Speaker 8: Sponsor from previously being sober, and we had a lot
Speaker 8: of friends in the recovery industry because my husband had
Speaker 8: clearly worked in the recovery industry, and so we called
Speaker 8: his old sponsor and so he helped a lot facilitate everything.
Speaker 9: What did the forgiveness process look like for you? Therapy
Speaker 9: was really important.
Speaker 8: My husband and I went to a couple therapy for
Speaker 8: literally every single week for a whole year.
Speaker 9: We also did individual therapy along.
Speaker 8: With our meeting, so like aa alan on Family Recovery Foundation.
Speaker 8: But it was a really long process because there was
Speaker 8: so much mistrust that had happened during that time and
Speaker 8: a lot of resentment and it took me a lot
Speaker 8: of tools and actions. I think once there was more
Speaker 8: time of him being sober, it really helped just realize
Speaker 8: that things were changing.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 8: The act was really big for me because the words
Speaker 8: really didn't matter at this point, and that's what made
Speaker 8: it really challenging. So once I saw that time was
Speaker 8: passing and the actions of his I would say emotional
Speaker 8: maturity was changing, that's when I was like, Okay, this
Speaker 8: is helping me so much. Just have forgiveness and just
Speaker 8: I think any sort of therapy is so beneficial in
Speaker 8: life no matter.
Speaker 9: What, because it helps so much.
Speaker 8: But couple's therapy together too was really important for us
Speaker 8: and it helped us a lot.
Speaker 7: Do you feel like there were days that you definitely
Speaker 7: just did not want to be there or you were
Speaker 7: on like shut down and it gives like, well, this
Speaker 7: is like a huge waste of time and then how
Speaker 7: would you pull yourself out of that?
Speaker 8: It's so interesting because I feel like I never ever,
Speaker 8: even through all of this and everything that we had
Speaker 8: ever been through, like the divorce word never hit my
Speaker 8: mind ever, Like I just was like, it's just a
Speaker 8: non negotiable, like we're not getting divorced ever in our
Speaker 8: whole entire lives, Like you're going to just get better,
Speaker 8: Like we're just going to figure out ways to get
Speaker 8: you better, and then we're going to be together forever.
Speaker 8: Because I strongly believed so much that this man that
Speaker 8: I fell in love with was still there underneath all
Speaker 8: of this destruction and turmoil. So I don't know if
Speaker 8: I ever wasn't willing. I think at times I was
Speaker 8: more shut off because I was just exhausted. Then necessarily
Speaker 8: like I just was unhopeful because I think the hope
Speaker 8: was always there. I never really gave up on him
Speaker 8: and my hope for him, which is good. I mean
Speaker 8: a lot of people, I think in times they just
Speaker 8: they get to the point where like the hope just
Speaker 8: gets lost and then they just have no that's it
Speaker 8: for them. But luckily I still always had that, which
Speaker 8: is I think what helped a lot with our relationship
Speaker 8: and what helps today, you know, is we always we
Speaker 8: want to be together forever. We want to be the
Speaker 8: best version of ourselves for each other. So that's why
Speaker 8: we work so hard at taking care of ourselves.
Speaker 9: I love that.
Speaker 7: Well, thank you for sharing some of that because I
Speaker 7: know that it's sometimes really difficult to even revisit. But
Speaker 7: I guess since you've made it part of your story,
Speaker 7: part of your mission, part of your what does this
Speaker 7: make possible? Then it feels good to talk about it
Speaker 7: because it's giving purpose to what you went through.
Speaker 10: Let's do it live.
Speaker 2: We are the two so loser.
Speaker 6: What up, everybody? I am lunchbox. I know the most
Speaker 6: about sports, so I'll give you the sports facts, my
Speaker 6: sports opinions because I'm pretty much a sports genius.
Speaker 2: What up, y'all?
Speaker 10: At his scison, I'm from the North. I'm in Alpha Male.
Speaker 10: I live on the West side of Nashville with Baser,
Speaker 10: my wife. We do have a white picket fence at
Speaker 10: the apartment complex. Soon I'm gonna have two point five
Speaker 10: kids and yes, sadly, I will die of a heart
Speaker 10: attack when I'm seventy two years old.
Speaker 2: Here's a clip from the last podcast.
Speaker 10: If you're in Nashville, since it's not legal here, I
Speaker 10: think you can get in trouble at the airport. Whereas Vegas,
Speaker 10: if you get caught with gummies, they just throw them away.
Speaker 10: Case in point, got my bachelor party had gummies. They
Speaker 10: grabbed him out put them in the receptacle.
Speaker 6: At your bachelor party.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you were there. Don't remember that?
Speaker 10: The one dude, he was random. I invited him at
Speaker 10: a party one time and he came camp. His name
Speaker 10: slips my mind. It was three years ago, it feels
Speaker 10: like a lot longer than that. The dude that just
Speaker 10: like would go to bed at night and slept for
Speaker 10: twelve hours.
Speaker 6: Oh, is that the one that you shared a hotel
Speaker 6: room with. No, he actually might stay, so you're telling
Speaker 6: me the one that actually stayed at MGM Grand while
Speaker 6: you stayed at New York, New York or wherever the
Speaker 6: hell you stayed.
Speaker 10: He was kind of I stayed at Paris. He was
Speaker 10: kind of Jonathan's friend. But he was awesome. Just on
Speaker 10: the way out, didn't disguise the gummies. They pulled him
Speaker 10: right out, threw them away. But you don't get in trouble.
Speaker 6: That's the difference between Oh, yeah, you guys, I was
Speaker 6: tsa pre check. You guys weren't. Sorry. I didn't see
Speaker 6: that altercation as my bat.
Speaker 10: He didn't really explain it to us well either. He
Speaker 10: just came over. He was so hung over and goes, yeah,
Speaker 10: all those gummies I bought one hundred dollars worth of
Speaker 10: theirs threw them away and we said, no emotion.
Speaker 2: I'm too hungover.
Speaker 6: We get it, totally understand. But let me tell you, right,
Speaker 6: a lot like this is the best Friday, the last Friday.
Speaker 10: I mean, we're ending the podcast.
Speaker 6: No, I am so excited for Sunday because it's Selection Sunday.
Speaker 6: But here's only one problem. Things have changed in the
Speaker 6: landscape of college basketball where I don't have hope for
Speaker 6: a national championship. I don't have hope for a Kansas
Speaker 6: raising the national championship banner. So going into the tournament,
Speaker 6: I'm a little sad.
Speaker 10: What are you from Arkansas?
Speaker 6: No, I just said Kansas. I said Kansas.
Speaker 10: Right, they have reason to be sad, don't I don't
Speaker 10: even think they're going to get into American the American Tournament.
Speaker 6: No, No, I understand Kansas is going to be in
Speaker 6: the tournament.
Speaker 10: But I have no like, did you guys make it?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 6: We made the tournament, no problem. The Valls make it.
Speaker 6: Vallves are going to be maybe a number one seed Vandy.
Speaker 6: Vandy fire their coach, so they didn't make it. Stack
Speaker 6: Stack is out. Yeah, and he had a hell of
Speaker 6: a press conference, man, and Justin saw him.
Speaker 10: Where did you see him in person? We went to
Speaker 10: the game three years ago.
Speaker 6: I saw him. I was eating at Chopped, which is
Speaker 6: like a salad place. I don't know, Well, why don't
Speaker 6: you just chop.
Speaker 10: Me a salad? What a restaurant. It's just like a
Speaker 10: little it's like a Chipotle, but for salads. Were there
Speaker 10: any dudes in there? There was actually three dudes working there.
Speaker 10: They all loved me.
Speaker 6: So I'm sitting out on the patio and I'm eating
Speaker 6: my Chopped salad.
Speaker 10: I would have drove by and saw you. Dud on
Speaker 10: a veered off the road and.
Speaker 6: I was eating I think it was a Fiesta salad,
Speaker 6: so it had like avocado.
Speaker 10: Some put some meat in there.
Speaker 6: Oh, Sara, we don't have any meat grilled corner. It's
Speaker 6: not a vegetarian place. It's called a salad. Have you
Speaker 6: ever had a salad?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 6: Okay, they have chicken and shrimp and they have all
Speaker 6: sorts of stuff you can put in a salad.
Speaker 10: By Buddy Danny in Miami eats salads on South Beach.
Speaker 6: Nothing wrong with that.
Speaker 10: No, it's just not manly.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 10: You're in Port Missile country. If you ain't sucking off
Speaker 10: a hot dog on a Friday, man, what are you doing?
Speaker 6: But this wasn't a Friday, it was a Wednesday.
Speaker 10: If you ain't at that beach, you wear that.
Speaker 6: So I'm sitting on the patio and I and you
Speaker 6: can see through the windows down the sidewalk. Bathroom, No,
Speaker 6: bathroom is not seat through it right.
Speaker 10: I could see into the women's restroom.
Speaker 8: No.
Speaker 6: And I see this really tall human walking and it's
Speaker 6: Jerry Stackhouse.
Speaker 10: Stack, and he could stack your ass up. Back in
Speaker 10: the day, man Detroit, And that's when that city had
Speaker 10: no violence.
Speaker 6: I was probably peak violence. And I was like, man,
Speaker 6: I gotta go say what up? And he's walking down
Speaker 6: the sidewalk, Garry, I start jumping up. My wife, where
Speaker 6: are you going? I was like, stack, stock house Stack
Speaker 6: And this is probably a month ago, and he just
Speaker 6: he's b lines.
Speaker 10: It knew he was getting fired.
Speaker 6: Does not say a word, Stack stacking up. Go through
Speaker 6: the restaurant, out the front door, stack Stack.
Speaker 10: Nobody's ever called him that before.
Speaker 6: Jerry and he goes around the corner and his big
Speaker 6: old truck is parked along the curb. He jumps right in,
Speaker 6: closes the door.
Speaker 10: Did you go up to the vehicle. No, no, I'm
Speaker 10: not that crazy. But it's all funny until they jump
Speaker 10: at their car.
Speaker 6: It was they getting their car. It's like, okay, too far.
Speaker 6: I don't want to be like seemed like a crazy person.
Speaker 6: And it took him about two seconds to start that
Speaker 6: truck and he was out. I mean, that was my
Speaker 6: one interaction with Jerry Stackhouse when he was the coach
Speaker 6: of Vanderbilt basketball.
Speaker 10: Athletes in town that we've seen him in their truck.
Speaker 10: Jerry Stackhouse, Taylor Lawan, Taylor Wan only two.
Speaker 6: That's it.
Speaker 10: Thought that'd be a better And that was he had
Speaker 10: a truck.
Speaker 6: Now he was in an suv and he was being driven.
Speaker 6: He had a driver. It was Walgreens. He's getting icy
Speaker 6: hot and an ankle bandage. I told you his ankle
Speaker 6: was bad. I told you guys, Hey, we got another Julio.
Speaker 6: It's gonna be here a year, Calvin, he'll be here
Speaker 6: for more than two a year. He sounded like a
Speaker 6: four year deal.
Speaker 10: Hey, guys in a gambling away, Julio.
Speaker 6: Welcome the Titans up, Baby tighten up. Welcome to Nashville, Baby.
Speaker 2: Cavery. She's a queen and talking so she's getting really
Speaker 2: not afraid, so.
Speaker 3: Just let it flow.
Speaker 2: No one can do we can. He's sound like Caroline.
Speaker 11: Hey, y'all, it's Caroline Hobby from Get Real with Caroline Hobby.
Speaker 9: And here is a clip from this week's episode.
Speaker 11: Are you someone know when you start something and you
Speaker 11: give your heart, you finish it?
Speaker 9: Yeah, Like you don't just like be like, oh.
Speaker 11: Crap, like no, this is a lot no yeah, reverse reverse, yeah,
Speaker 11: like no forward.
Speaker 9: For once a minute a minute?
Speaker 12: And I just great, what a team player you are
Speaker 12: to Ian is lucky to have you.
Speaker 9: I mean that is you are a force of nature. Caroline,
Speaker 9: thank you.
Speaker 12: Like I said, going a little crazy.
Speaker 9: So let's talk about when y'all fell in love. Good stuff.
Speaker 11: So all of a sudden you're like, oh, Ian Mussig,
Speaker 11: I know him. I got him his first gig. And
Speaker 11: Travis Drat and his family are like, you need to
Speaker 11: meet this guy. You're like, know him, and now you
Speaker 11: see him, you realize he's got this image, he's got
Speaker 11: this deep connection to Wyoming. You see the branding. It's
Speaker 11: all like clear to you. But it's not necessarily the
Speaker 11: right time in country music for him to make his
Speaker 11: big splash because it was bro country, So what do
Speaker 11: you do? What do y'all do? And then where does
Speaker 11: the love happen?
Speaker 12: I mean with him on we did this thing called
Speaker 12: minute Mondays and he would film Ian can play pretty
Speaker 12: much every instrument, and we would film these minute Mondays
Speaker 12: with a guy named gray Wood, and he literally he
Speaker 12: would just do covers and would play like multiple instruments,
Speaker 12: but it would just be him or multiples of him,
Speaker 12: and we would post those every Monday, and we just
Speaker 12: started like to learning his his like Instagram.
Speaker 9: TikTok was not a thing because Instagram was going.
Speaker 12: Streaming was just like starting, So we were just trying
Speaker 12: to build it independently. Yeah.
Speaker 11: Yeah, everything was independent for a while, and you guys
Speaker 11: were content creators in the very beginning. Yeah, like the
Speaker 11: content before really content, Like I was keen. Yeah I
Speaker 11: think maybe vine was out or something, but died on
Speaker 11: the vine. Yeah yeah, like so yeah, we just went
Speaker 11: on trying to build his awareness and like getting people
Speaker 11: to notice him and then eventually, you know, his streaming
Speaker 11: numbers got big enough and uh Warner.
Speaker 12: And other labels started reaching out and said, you know, hey,
Speaker 12: who is this guy that's streaming just as well as.
Speaker 11: He so, what are good streaming numbers to make it?
Speaker 11: Labels turn their head like, what so streaming?
Speaker 9: For everyone listening?
Speaker 11: Streaming is like when you I'm sure a lot of
Speaker 11: people know this now, but it's like when you go
Speaker 11: and you just listen to Spotify or you go and
Speaker 11: you listen to iTunes or whatever it's online, and it's
Speaker 11: just like it counts. You get all these streams, Like
Speaker 11: every time you hear a song, you get another streams.
Speaker 11: So like when you get a ton of streams, people
Speaker 11: are like, who is this? Yeah, dude, for everyone knows
Speaker 11: streaming is. I just talked to them like they're a
Speaker 11: bunch of idiots. I know what streaming is. Okay, sorry
Speaker 11: about that.
Speaker 12: I'm trying to even think what it would have been
Speaker 12: in twenty seventeen, not what it is now. Now people
Speaker 12: are getting like billions. You know, it's crazy, but I
Speaker 12: mean I think.
Speaker 11: Labels you should not even want artists to stream, Like
Speaker 11: that's how crazy it was. It was so new that
Speaker 11: they're like, don't stream because that takes away from your
Speaker 11: album cells or whatever. So it's like it was it's
Speaker 11: been a new phenomenon that Ian probably was at the
Speaker 11: very beginning of.
Speaker 12: Yeah, he was, for sure, I would say maybe, you know,
Speaker 12: I know, independently we got our first few million streams,
Speaker 12: so in twenty seventeen it'd be pretty good. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 12: you know, and that's with no like there. It's not
Speaker 12: like we were on any DSP like playlist Seed or anything.
Speaker 9: That's all organic.
Speaker 12: So that's the one thing about Ian is he's really
Speaker 12: everything has been grassroots, in organic.
Speaker 9: You know, No, you're good.
Speaker 12: Sorry, Yeah, And so we've just really been proud of
Speaker 12: that growth because you know, it's.
Speaker 9: That real thing.
Speaker 12: It's real, like they show up and buy tickets and
Speaker 12: they buy merch and they engage and it's not fake
Speaker 12: like it's real. So that's been very valuable to us.
Speaker 11: Okay, so you are putting stuff out, you're still dismanaging.
Speaker 9: No, like I want to kiss.
Speaker 12: Your face yet. No, I'm trying to think when were
Speaker 12: you Like, I gotta just like, yeah, on the end
Speaker 12: of twenty seventeen, so maybe like six seven months in.
Speaker 12: I think we were just around each other so much.
Speaker 12: I think we went we were in like California or something,
Speaker 12: and yeah, I don't know. It just kind of makes
Speaker 12: how happen. It's a cool manti.
Speaker 9: I feel like, no, I haven't been building up.
Speaker 12: Yeah, I feel like it was definitely slower up for Yeah,
Speaker 12: I didn't know each other. Yeah no, and that was
Speaker 12: the thing. We're just around each other all the time.
Speaker 12: But you know, at the same time, it felt like
Speaker 12: very like taboo. But it was kind of exciting. But
Speaker 12: it's like, nobody's gonna take us seriously if like one,
Speaker 12: I'm what probably I think I was like twenty four
Speaker 12: at the time. Who's gonna take me seriously? One as
Speaker 12: a manager? You know, this kid that has you know,
Speaker 12: nothing really behind him, let alone us.
Speaker 9: You know, oh, my manager is my girlfriend, you know.
Speaker 9: So yeah, we kept on the DL. Was that kind
Speaker 9: of find to be secret? Yeah?
Speaker 12: I feel like it was a little stressful because I
Speaker 12: literally didn't tell my friends.
Speaker 9: I didn't tell nobody. I told nobody.
Speaker 11: And I say, by the way, you and Lady Wilson
Speaker 11: BFF ORFF before she became Lady Wilson.
Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah, okay, I can't wonder about that. That's so fun.
Speaker 12: Yeah, but we Yeah, we kept on the d L
Speaker 12: didn't my friends. I'm sure they could have assumed whatever,
Speaker 12: but you know, nobody really asked or said anything. So
Speaker 12: we just kept doing our thing, and then you know,
Speaker 12: one thing led to another and we got pregnant, and.
Speaker 11: Then you really can't keep it under a walk anymore.
Speaker 11: So we were like, so we're trying to get pregnant.
Speaker 9: No, no, Noka.
Speaker 11: Crawford's like, I'm ready. He's got two cool people here parents.
Speaker 12: He's like, I am ready to make my appearance, and
Speaker 12: there's nothing you can do about it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so we.
Speaker 12: Got pregnant, and yeah, I think Laney was the first
Speaker 12: person I called to tell her that I was pregnant.
Speaker 13: Hey, it's Mike d and this week our movie Mike's
Speaker 13: Moe Podcast, I went through Forbes' latest report on the
Speaker 13: top ten highest earning actors from the last year. I
Speaker 13: break down exactly how an actor makes money, whether it's
Speaker 13: a movie that goes into theaters or goes straight to streaming.
Speaker 13: So if you want to know more about the money
Speaker 13: side of movies, this is a great episode to check out.
Speaker 13: Here's just a little of me breaking down some of
Speaker 13: the highest earners in Hollywood. At number ten, with a
Speaker 13: gross income of twenty eight million dollars, taking home at
Speaker 13: the end of the day twenty four million dollars, it
Speaker 13: is Denzel Washington. Last year he put out the third
Speaker 13: installment of The Equalizer.
Speaker 9: Has been a pretty average.
Speaker 13: Film series overall, each one of those movies has crossed
Speaker 13: one hundred and ninety million dollar mark at the box office.
Speaker 13: And the real reason it has done that because of
Speaker 13: Denzel Washington. Without his name attached to that movie, nobody
Speaker 13: would really care about it. And in addition to that
Speaker 13: movie last year, why he continues to remain in the
Speaker 13: top ten is because of his catalog, all the royalties
Speaker 13: he is getting from all of his back years of work.
Speaker 13: That is really so important to an actor is that
Speaker 13: library of movies that you build. Really in anything, I
Speaker 13: will even say that in podcasting, it comes down to
Speaker 13: the amount of work you can do and just have
Speaker 13: like this fast portfolio of all these episodes, all these movies.
Speaker 13: That is really where you start to see money grow
Speaker 13: in entertainment.
Speaker 2: So it is really precious.
Speaker 13: That is also why you see a lot of fights
Speaker 13: over rights to things and rights to episodes, is because
Speaker 13: that is where the money will be there for you always.
Speaker 13: That is also why you see musicians selling their catalogs
Speaker 13: in order to have guaranteed money every year, because they
Speaker 13: can sell their catalog and know they're going to have
Speaker 13: that said amount of money for the rest of their life.
Speaker 13: And Denzel Washington has been doing it for over forty
Speaker 13: years now, he's sixty nine years old. He can really
Speaker 13: do any movie that he wants and it's probably gonna
Speaker 13: make a pretty good amount of money at the box office.
Speaker 13: I kind of wish you would go into a bit
Speaker 13: of a different direction and get back to those really
Speaker 13: big dramatic roles that he would do all the time,
Speaker 13: and the ones that he is known for. I think
Speaker 13: the last movie I really love from him was from
Speaker 13: twenty sixteen call Fences, which was an adaptation of a play,
Speaker 13: and I thought that really showed the true power of
Speaker 13: Denzel Washington, the reason everybody fell in love with him
Speaker 13: and the reason he is a movie star. I wish
Speaker 13: he would go back to doing movies like that. But
Speaker 13: at number ten is Denzel Washington at number nine with
Speaker 13: a gross income of forty five million dollars, and on
Speaker 13: the list listed at thirty eight million dollars is Ben Affleck. Again,
Speaker 13: this is only including his money that he has made
Speaker 13: with acting. Out of everybody on this list, this is
Speaker 13: the most surprising to me. I do not think he
Speaker 13: is worth thirty eight million dollars a year, especially when
Speaker 13: you look at the movies he did last year. The
Speaker 13: fifty one year old starred and directed Air, which is
Speaker 13: a great movie. I love this movie, but financially it
Speaker 13: didn't really cross a big threshold of making money at
Speaker 13: the box office, Like wasn't even supposed to come out
Speaker 13: in theaters, but Amazon decided to move forward and give
Speaker 13: it a theatric release and it ended up making ninety
Speaker 13: million dollars at the box office before just straight going
Speaker 13: over to Amazon Prime Video. But the other movie he
Speaker 13: put out, Hypnotic, was so bad and such a bomb,
Speaker 13: one of the worst bombs in.
Speaker 4: The last decade.
Speaker 13: That movie cost sixty five million dollars to make and
Speaker 13: only made sixteen point three at the box office, but
Speaker 13: I guess he still got paid. He am making no
Speaker 13: money on the back end of that movie. But he
Speaker 13: has been around for a long time enough to be
Speaker 13: in Duncan commercials and probably made a lot of money
Speaker 13: off of that, even though that amount is not included
Speaker 13: on this list at number nine as Ben Affleck, so
Speaker 13: there is a tie at number eight. Two people come
Speaker 13: in with forty one million dollars. The first one is
Speaker 13: Jason Statham, who had a gross of forty eight million
Speaker 13: dollars before taking home forty one million dollars. Stathum is
Speaker 13: just a quietly dominant actor. In the last year, he
Speaker 13: has been in Fast X Meg two, The Trench, and
Speaker 13: The Expendables four, and as of the recording of this podcast,
Speaker 13: he is the star of the highest grossing movie so
Speaker 13: far in twenty twenty four, The Beekeeper, so he will
Speaker 13: probably be back on this list next year. He is
Speaker 13: the quintessential action star right now. I think he is
Speaker 13: to the point that if you are a die hard
Speaker 13: fan of action, you will probably go watch every single
Speaker 13: movie that Jason Statham is in. And he's fifty six
Speaker 13: years old and has been doing this so well now
Speaker 13: for the last twenty years. It is honestly surprising to
Speaker 13: me how successful he has been, kind of being typecast
Speaker 13: in the same role over and over again. As much
Speaker 13: as I don't want to give him the credit for
Speaker 13: being a great actor, he can crush me with his wallet.
Speaker 13: And Jason Statum comes in at number seven, tied with
Speaker 13: Leonardo DiCaprio, who also had a gross of forty eight
Speaker 13: million dollars. And took home forty one million dollars to
Speaker 13: put him tied at seven eight. I don't know why
Speaker 13: they put two seventh on this list. The crazy thing
Speaker 13: here is Leonardo DiCaprio made a majority of this money
Speaker 13: on one movie. He was only in Killers of the
Speaker 13: Flower Moon last year, which he earned a reported forty
Speaker 13: million dollars just for that one movie. So it kind
Speaker 13: of shows you how much money people can make, at
Speaker 13: least him in particular on the back end from his
Speaker 13: library of work, which I wonder about that. I feel
Speaker 13: like he should make more because he's been in Titanic alone,
Speaker 13: which I feel like he will continue to get checks
Speaker 13: for the rest of his life. If he ever has kids,
Speaker 13: they will be getting checks probably for the rest of
Speaker 13: their life. But at forty eight million dollars gross and
Speaker 13: a forty one take home, that is inredible for one movie,
Speaker 13: and Leonardo DiCaprio is one of the panful of actors
Speaker 13: that could do something like that, even though he was
Speaker 13: snubbed an Oscar nomination for that movie. I don't really
Speaker 13: think he's hurting because he can be so selective just
Speaker 13: doing one movie a year if that, and do movies
Speaker 13: that he really cares about work with directors that he
Speaker 13: really has a great relationship with, and obviously him doing
Speaker 13: a Scorsese movie is probably a no brainer. So I
Speaker 13: think at this point, even though he made forty million
Speaker 13: dollars of one movie, I almost think he is at
Speaker 13: a point where the money doesn't really matter anymore. And
Speaker 13: I also heard Bradley Cooper talking about this recently when
Speaker 13: he was talking about he maybe only has three or
Speaker 13: four movies left in him, because to be an actor
Speaker 13: at that level, it takes so much time to focus
Speaker 13: on one project.
Speaker 2: It is four to five years of your life.
Speaker 13: From the moment you start developing a movie, get attached
Speaker 13: to it, and it finally comes out that he thinks
Speaker 13: that he maybe has four or five left, maybe three
Speaker 13: or four, that he thinks he only has a handful
Speaker 13: of movies left in him. I think that is the
Speaker 13: same case with Leonardo DiCaprio, who is later in his
Speaker 13: acting career but by no means is anywhere done. He
Speaker 13: could continue acting into his seventies and eighties, just look
Speaker 13: at Robert de Niro, but I think he has to
Speaker 13: be more selective on how he uses his time. He
Speaker 13: is obviously going to do movies now that are either
Speaker 13: gonna make a lot of money at the box office,
Speaker 13: therefore earning him more money, or really I think he
Speaker 13: is just interested in doing movies that are going to
Speaker 13: warrant an Oscar nomination. So tied at number seven Leonardo
Speaker 13: DiCaprio and Jason Stay them with forty one million dollars.
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