WEBVTT - Sunday Sampler - The Nashville Podcast Network (3-17-24) 0:00:09.080 --> 0:00:11.959 Hey guys, time for the Sunday sampler. Coming up on 0:00:12.000 --> 0:00:14.560 four Things with Amy Brown. Amy talked with Ashley Waller, 0:00:14.840 --> 0:00:16.200 who is actually a good friend. 0:00:16.000 --> 0:00:16.800 Of Kaitlyn and mine. 0:00:17.000 --> 0:00:18.720 With Kaitlin and I, however, you say that she's a 0:00:18.760 --> 0:00:21.759 celebrity hairstylist, she's a TV personality. She's the wife to 0:00:21.840 --> 0:00:24.480 Jason Waller, who it's Jason from Laguna Beach in the Hills, 0:00:24.800 --> 0:00:27.160 and so they talk about reality TV. They talk about 0:00:27.240 --> 0:00:29.840 Jason and his experience with addiction. That's how Jason and 0:00:29.840 --> 0:00:31.920 I know each other, and then learning how to be 0:00:31.960 --> 0:00:33.599 a partner with someone in recovery. 0:00:33.640 --> 0:00:34.360 So hang out for that. 0:00:34.680 --> 0:00:36.680 On the Bobby Cast, I sat down with one of 0:00:36.760 --> 0:00:40.800 my favorite new artists, Lauren Watkins. She grew up in Nashville, 0:00:40.800 --> 0:00:42.680 but she did not grow up in music in Nashville. 0:00:42.960 --> 0:00:45.200 So it's the double because it's rare for an artist 0:00:45.280 --> 0:00:45.920 to grow up here. 0:00:46.040 --> 0:00:48.479 But if they do, it's like Mitchell Tinpenny who kind 0:00:48.479 --> 0:00:50.519 of grew up in the industry, but she didn't do that. 0:00:50.720 --> 0:00:52.960 She's opening for Morgan Wallen on a stadium tour. We 0:00:53.000 --> 0:00:55.560 talk about that also why it's hard to play in Nashville, 0:00:56.120 --> 0:00:58.960 and they say she has barstool charm, which is interesting. 0:00:59.240 --> 0:01:00.360 So we have a lot of stuff to get to. 0:01:00.440 --> 0:01:03.360 Let's start with that. Here is Lauren Watkins on this 0:01:03.400 --> 0:01:08.000 week's Bobby Cast. I was reading an article about you 0:01:08.040 --> 0:01:09.440 and they have said something about you. 0:01:09.560 --> 0:01:15.319 It was a weird term. It was called like barstool chic. 0:01:15.880 --> 0:01:18.720 I know what you're thinking of, and I think of it. 0:01:18.720 --> 0:01:21.880 It was the barstool charm. That's what it was. You 0:01:21.920 --> 0:01:24.080 had a barstool charm, and I didn't know whether. 0:01:24.240 --> 0:01:25.920 I don't know what that means. If you're gonna. 0:01:25.720 --> 0:01:28.200 Ask, I don't know what it means either, And I 0:01:28.240 --> 0:01:30.760 could look at it and both ways. I think barstool 0:01:31.200 --> 0:01:36.320 charm barstoo would mean one of us normal, Yeah, cool, 0:01:36.480 --> 0:01:41.920 but it also yes, it also means that what did 0:01:41.959 --> 0:01:44.200 you did you read that? Have you seen people call 0:01:44.240 --> 0:01:44.360 you that? 0:01:44.360 --> 0:01:44.679 Oh? 0:01:44.720 --> 0:01:45.679 Yeah, no, I've seen it. 0:01:45.720 --> 0:01:48.440 So what did you take that as? I wouldn't have 0:01:48.440 --> 0:01:50.120 said barbol charm, but I didn't know you. I still 0:01:50.160 --> 0:01:51.000 wouldn't say barstool. 0:01:51.760 --> 0:01:54.280 I think a lot of my songs are set in 0:01:54.360 --> 0:01:58.600 a bar, and maybe I'm able to make. 0:01:58.480 --> 0:02:00.720 It seem more charming and it really is. 0:02:00.800 --> 0:02:02.400 That's how I took it good for you. 0:02:02.600 --> 0:02:04.920 I kind of I romanticized that I would have found 0:02:04.920 --> 0:02:07.160 that super negative anything about me I turned super negative 0:02:08.639 --> 0:02:09.000 good for you. 0:02:09.160 --> 0:02:11.320 For me, I was like, how can this be a 0:02:11.360 --> 0:02:11.839 good thing? 0:02:12.040 --> 0:02:14.760 But you're like the heartbreak for example, that is not 0:02:14.840 --> 0:02:17.799 a positive thing. And that's the whole the name of 0:02:17.840 --> 0:02:20.680 the whole product project there that you got to be 0:02:20.680 --> 0:02:23.040 pretty vulnerable to even talk about heartbreak and did a 0:02:23.040 --> 0:02:27.880 second ago? How hard? How easy was that? And then 0:02:27.960 --> 0:02:29.679 especially if people know you're singing about. 0:02:29.480 --> 0:02:33.359 Them, like, how wait say that again? 0:02:33.400 --> 0:02:34.240 It's multi layered. 0:02:34.720 --> 0:02:37.359 Hold on, if you're writing a song about having heartbreak 0:02:37.720 --> 0:02:40.519 in general, or you have you have a project, it's 0:02:40.560 --> 0:02:45.280 called heartbreak. That heartbreak had to come from root. Yes, 0:02:45.480 --> 0:02:46.880 so first of all you have to talk about it, 0:02:46.919 --> 0:02:48.720 and that that is like here, I'm gonna open my 0:02:48.800 --> 0:02:53.040 ribs up vulnerable. Yeah, But then it's the person that 0:02:53.120 --> 0:02:55.080 maybe broke your heart also getting to do a victory 0:02:55.120 --> 0:02:56.880 lap because I get to hear you singing about it 0:02:57.040 --> 0:02:57.400 like that. 0:02:57.560 --> 0:02:59.959 To me, my ego wouldn't allow that. 0:03:00.160 --> 0:03:00.800 No, I get that. 0:03:00.960 --> 0:03:03.840 Yeah, And honestly, those are all thoughts that crossed my 0:03:03.880 --> 0:03:05.600 mind at some point, but just kind of went in 0:03:05.600 --> 0:03:07.320 one of hear out the other because I was just like, whatever, 0:03:07.720 --> 0:03:09.880 these are things I got to get off my chest. 0:03:10.360 --> 0:03:12.720 And yeah, but I also. 0:03:14.200 --> 0:03:16.880 The songs are probably about lots of different people, not 0:03:17.040 --> 0:03:17.359 just one. 0:03:17.520 --> 0:03:19.600 Oh, I completely agree with there's a lot of different people. 0:03:19.600 --> 0:03:22.960 Then, who's like she wrote lots of people doing or 0:03:23.200 --> 0:03:25.280 they're wrong and they think it's about it's not and 0:03:25.320 --> 0:03:25.840 they're telling them. 0:03:25.880 --> 0:03:28.760 I kind of like that though, because it's sort of like, 0:03:30.480 --> 0:03:32.600 I don't know, it's kind of funny if they think 0:03:32.600 --> 0:03:33.800 it's about them and it's really not. 0:03:34.120 --> 0:03:38.280 See, I would be why do you think that's about you? 0:03:39.280 --> 0:03:41.360 That's why I wouldn't be good. There's a lot of 0:03:41.360 --> 0:03:43.120 reason I wouldn't be good a songwriting. But that's the 0:03:43.120 --> 0:03:45.000 part where I would really struggle, was like to give 0:03:45.040 --> 0:03:48.280 somebody else like a little bit of shine where they 0:03:48.320 --> 0:03:49.240 were No. 0:03:49.360 --> 0:03:51.560 I totally get that, And you know, I guess what 0:03:51.600 --> 0:03:55.640 I'll say to that is my songs are for They're 0:03:55.680 --> 0:03:59.000 more for the people that I'm singing too rather than 0:03:59.000 --> 0:04:02.160 people i'm singing about. So those people can think whatever 0:04:02.160 --> 0:04:06.040 they think, but I just try not to care about it. 0:04:06.120 --> 0:04:08.720 Have you written anything ever and then someone heard it 0:04:08.720 --> 0:04:10.120 and you guys weren't good and they heard it. 0:04:10.160 --> 0:04:12.200 They were like, you know what that spoke to me? 0:04:12.240 --> 0:04:13.160 And then you were good again. 0:04:15.160 --> 0:04:16.080 Oh like a guy. 0:04:17.000 --> 0:04:18.240 Sure it could be a free It could even be 0:04:18.240 --> 0:04:20.960 a friend. Okay, like some dude. 0:04:21.880 --> 0:04:23.919 I've definitely burned bridge. 0:04:23.960 --> 0:04:26.239 Yes, if there was a bridge left, it was burned 0:04:26.279 --> 0:04:27.080 with the songs. 0:04:27.120 --> 0:04:28.479 But you didn't burn it so bad. It kind of 0:04:28.480 --> 0:04:32.479 rebuilt itself. No, yeah, good for you, I don't think so. 0:04:32.680 --> 0:04:33.400 Yeah, good for you. 0:04:34.240 --> 0:04:37.800 What's the most unexpected place that you've played, Like, difficult 0:04:37.800 --> 0:04:41.440 to play because you people weren't even really paying attention. 0:04:42.000 --> 0:04:46.479 Oh my gosh, that's happened so many times. You know, 0:04:46.560 --> 0:04:50.599 I'm gonna say something that could be controversial. Nashville is 0:04:50.720 --> 0:04:51.600 tough to play. 0:04:52.400 --> 0:04:56.120 Oh hey, I'm sure this is going to really be controversial. 0:04:56.160 --> 0:04:57.400 I'll get a lot of hits on that one. 0:04:58.200 --> 0:05:00.680 Yes, I mean, I know you can probably like I 0:05:00.720 --> 0:05:02.120 Understandahale sucks to play. 0:05:02.160 --> 0:05:02.840 It sucks, I'll see. 0:05:02.839 --> 0:05:05.600 I hate playing shows here, Yeah, because I'm going to 0:05:05.640 --> 0:05:07.039 say a bunch of mean stuff. So then it doesn't 0:05:07.040 --> 0:05:10.279 make you look as so I'll cover for you. But 0:05:10.320 --> 0:05:12.640 then you follow me. I hate playing shows and that 0:05:12.760 --> 0:05:15.599 I love the people that live in Nashville are that 0:05:15.680 --> 0:05:17.760 come to my shows. I hate plaann shows in Nashville 0:05:17.800 --> 0:05:20.279 because there are two things that happen. One there's this like, 0:05:20.320 --> 0:05:23.640 all right, impressing me expectation because I don't perform at all. 0:05:23.800 --> 0:05:25.520 I'm on the road all the time if I'm doing 0:05:25.600 --> 0:05:27.360 stand up, and so if I'm finally doing a show here, 0:05:27.400 --> 0:05:29.040 it's people that just like see pictures on it and 0:05:29.040 --> 0:05:30.600 they're like, Okay, well let's see how good you really are. 0:05:31.080 --> 0:05:33.960 That vibe exists. First of all, there are peers. 0:05:33.600 --> 0:05:35.520 That finally want to come out and go like, all right, 0:05:35.560 --> 0:05:39.159 well let's see what you got that competitive yes, and 0:05:39.200 --> 0:05:41.080 then you want to hear something back from it, and 0:05:41.120 --> 0:05:42.880 then it starts to be unhealthy. And then it's also 0:05:43.040 --> 0:05:45.760 like ten hour meet and greets with everybody who you 0:05:45.839 --> 0:05:47.960 know and that live here that want to come and see. 0:05:48.400 --> 0:05:51.480 So Nashville is the worst place to I love Nashville 0:05:51.560 --> 0:05:55.000 and the people, but for the industry, it's hard because 0:05:55.040 --> 0:05:56.440 it's not just going to do a show for people 0:05:56.480 --> 0:05:58.200 that want to be entertained. It's also going to do 0:05:58.240 --> 0:05:59.520 a show for people that want you to prove your 0:05:59.520 --> 0:06:01.919 worth of craft and worth yeah, and that to me 0:06:02.440 --> 0:06:03.720 is why it's hard for me here. 0:06:04.080 --> 0:06:04.920 You said it best. 0:06:04.960 --> 0:06:08.000 I mean, I literally that's everything I'm thinking you just said, 0:06:08.040 --> 0:06:11.280 and it's it's a shame, like it hurts me as 0:06:11.320 --> 0:06:13.920 a native because I mean when I was growing up, 0:06:13.960 --> 0:06:17.520 like I said, I had no like foot in the industry. 0:06:17.560 --> 0:06:19.040 I didn't know that even existed. 0:06:19.080 --> 0:06:21.120 So when I was going to concerts, I was in 0:06:21.160 --> 0:06:23.960 the front row screaming my head off, not caring about 0:06:24.040 --> 0:06:27.080 who was there or whatever. I just wanted to be there. 0:06:27.760 --> 0:06:30.800 And yeah, it's tough now it does feel like everything 0:06:30.839 --> 0:06:33.600 you just said, it's a lot of people just try 0:06:33.680 --> 0:06:34.400 to be too cool. 0:06:34.920 --> 0:06:36.200 And the thing is. 0:06:36.160 --> 0:06:39.279 That people this is funny, like the people who matter, 0:06:39.440 --> 0:06:42.200 and by matter, I just mean like like kind of 0:06:42.240 --> 0:06:44.080 the big shots in the industry, like people who are 0:06:44.120 --> 0:06:47.680 really like I don't know, the people that you want 0:06:47.720 --> 0:06:49.960 to impress, they're not really trying to be too cool. 0:06:49.960 --> 0:06:53.080 They're just they're doing their job, like like there to 0:06:53.160 --> 0:06:53.599 cheer you on. 0:06:53.680 --> 0:06:56.160 But it's the people that are like insecure. 0:06:56.200 --> 0:06:58.120 I mean, yeah, I'm insecure, and I say that from 0:06:58.120 --> 0:07:00.200 an insecure place. I'm not insecure in that way, but 0:07:00.200 --> 0:07:05.880 I'm in too. It's definitely a place of if somebody 0:07:05.880 --> 0:07:09.080 else roots for you, or somebody else says why you're 0:07:09.080 --> 0:07:10.880 really good, that must mean to them that they're not. 0:07:11.000 --> 0:07:13.160 I struggle with the same thing in different ways. Oh, same, 0:07:13.280 --> 0:07:15.720 So there are probably peers of yours or any artist. 0:07:15.960 --> 0:07:18.160 It's at a show and it's a little bit jealous, 0:07:18.200 --> 0:07:22.239 but can't be healthy about it. 0:07:22.240 --> 0:07:22.680 It's hard. 0:07:23.000 --> 0:07:26.640 It's hard, And I also think people like even as 0:07:26.680 --> 0:07:30.600 simple as yelling out during the show, yelling and screaming, cheering, 0:07:30.800 --> 0:07:31.640 people don't want to do it. 0:07:31.680 --> 0:07:32.200 They're scared. 0:07:32.240 --> 0:07:34.720 People are looking at them. Who's in the room, Who's 0:07:34.720 --> 0:07:38.760 going to see me look stupid? Yeah, and I a 0:07:38.800 --> 0:07:42.200 lot of my songwriter friends and I love to protest 0:07:42.240 --> 0:07:44.080 against that. And we'll go to our friends shows in 0:07:44.120 --> 0:07:47.520 town and just be the biggest fans, because. 0:07:47.320 --> 0:07:48.000 That's what you want. 0:07:48.080 --> 0:07:49.640 I mean, you work so hard, you're on the road 0:07:49.680 --> 0:07:52.760 and and and you then you get so excited to 0:07:52.800 --> 0:07:57.000 come home and play a show for your your people. 0:07:57.440 --> 0:07:59.400 And then it's like that and it's sort. 0:07:59.160 --> 0:08:16.080 Of sad, kind good. 0:08:13.280 --> 0:08:18.840 Cast up little food for yourself life, ain't Oh it's 0:08:18.920 --> 0:08:19.760 pretty bad. 0:08:19.880 --> 0:08:23.400 It's pretty beautiful that for a little more. 0:08:27.080 --> 0:08:30.160 Said, he can cut your kick in It with Full 0:08:30.640 --> 0:08:32.319 Thing with Amy Brown. 0:08:32.760 --> 0:08:35.439 Hey, it's Amy Brown from Four Things with Amy Brown. 0:08:35.600 --> 0:08:38.199 And here's what we talked about this week on my podcast. 0:08:39.920 --> 0:08:42.920 What encouragement do you have for people that, whatever the 0:08:43.000 --> 0:08:45.480 situation is, they're sort of living life like I'm just 0:08:45.520 --> 0:08:47.560 waiting for the next show to drop, like everything's great 0:08:47.640 --> 0:08:50.720 right now. And I mean, I think that they're going 0:08:50.800 --> 0:08:53.200 to be sober this time or they're not going to relapse, 0:08:53.240 --> 0:08:55.760 but like they can't get over waiting for the next 0:08:55.800 --> 0:08:56.439 show to drop. 0:08:57.080 --> 0:08:59.960 I think the biggest thing is it is absolutely impossi 0:09:00.559 --> 0:09:03.520 to struggle alone, Like you have got to find a 0:09:03.559 --> 0:09:06.240 support group or at least a person that you can 0:09:06.320 --> 0:09:10.320 speak in confidence to about what's going on. I think 0:09:10.360 --> 0:09:14.720 it's really important to vocalize and seek that professional help 0:09:15.040 --> 0:09:18.960 because being in that isolation alone and constantly thinking that 0:09:19.000 --> 0:09:21.160 things are going to change without having some sort of 0:09:21.880 --> 0:09:25.280 not necessarily outside opinion, but I just feel like it's 0:09:25.320 --> 0:09:28.920 a really, really, really lonely place to be when you 0:09:29.080 --> 0:09:32.000 are in the depths of somebody struggling with addiction. 0:09:32.720 --> 0:09:35.120 And I think as soon as you can. 0:09:35.320 --> 0:09:38.480 Tell somebody because your secrets make you so sick, and 0:09:38.520 --> 0:09:39.880 they can really hurt your life? 0:09:40.480 --> 0:09:43.280 Did you have to do some sort of an intervention? 0:09:43.720 --> 0:09:45.040 Oh yeah, it's okay. 0:09:45.080 --> 0:09:47.240 And what did that process collect for you? Because I 0:09:47.280 --> 0:09:50.360 know for everybody it's a little bit different. But if 0:09:50.360 --> 0:09:53.040 anybody's new to it, like you said, you'd never dealt 0:09:53.040 --> 0:09:56.960 with addiction before, and so because he had been there before, 0:09:57.040 --> 0:09:59.280 maybe he worked in that space, maybe he sort of 0:09:59.320 --> 0:10:02.600 knew who to call. But I can imagine if someone's 0:10:02.640 --> 0:10:04.400 never been through it all, it's whatever. It's like, wait, 0:10:04.440 --> 0:10:08.000 who do I even ask about where to start and 0:10:08.040 --> 0:10:11.080 how to start or do this whole intervention thing, because 0:10:11.080 --> 0:10:13.000 you just see it on TV. You see like, oh 0:10:13.080 --> 0:10:14.760 do I call everybody and we gather together in the 0:10:14.760 --> 0:10:17.480 living room. But it's it's case by case on how 0:10:17.520 --> 0:10:17.800 it needs. 0:10:18.720 --> 0:10:22.480 Yeah, I think everybody's situation is different. For us, it 0:10:22.600 --> 0:10:26.000 was like the moment when the vulnerability is there and 0:10:26.040 --> 0:10:29.040 the person is at their low. So a lot of times, 0:10:29.080 --> 0:10:32.439 like there'll be these really big waves through addiction when 0:10:32.480 --> 0:10:35.079 people are struggling and it's at that moment where they 0:10:35.160 --> 0:10:37.360 hit that low where they're very vulnerable and they're. 0:10:37.160 --> 0:10:38.520 Like, I don't want to do this anymore. 0:10:38.600 --> 0:10:41.240 You know, that's the moment that's the moment that you're like, 0:10:41.240 --> 0:10:43.040 we got to get everybody together, we got to send 0:10:43.040 --> 0:10:44.920 them off and get them to go, and that's just 0:10:44.960 --> 0:10:47.559 it's a non negotiable and they just they go. So 0:10:47.640 --> 0:10:50.760 for instance, when we had the interventional my husband to 0:10:50.760 --> 0:10:53.520 send him to treatment, it was his parents. I contacted 0:10:53.520 --> 0:10:56.520 his parents immediately because they love him, they had been 0:10:56.520 --> 0:10:59.400 through this with him for so many years and understood 0:10:59.679 --> 0:11:01.880 kind of what he was going through. I don't even 0:11:01.880 --> 0:11:05.120 think they at the time really knew exactly who to call. 0:11:05.600 --> 0:11:06.880 But my husband did have a. 0:11:06.840 --> 0:11:10.520 Sponsor from previously being sober, and we had a lot 0:11:10.559 --> 0:11:13.160 of friends in the recovery industry because my husband had 0:11:13.280 --> 0:11:16.040 clearly worked in the recovery industry, and so we called 0:11:16.120 --> 0:11:19.840 his old sponsor and so he helped a lot facilitate everything. 0:11:20.160 --> 0:11:23.440 What did the forgiveness process look like for you? Therapy 0:11:23.679 --> 0:11:24.800 was really important. 0:11:25.080 --> 0:11:27.000 My husband and I went to a couple therapy for 0:11:27.200 --> 0:11:30.600 literally every single week for a whole year. 0:11:31.000 --> 0:11:33.479 We also did individual therapy along. 0:11:33.240 --> 0:11:36.640 With our meeting, so like aa alan on Family Recovery Foundation. 0:11:37.440 --> 0:11:42.040 But it was a really long process because there was 0:11:42.280 --> 0:11:46.600 so much mistrust that had happened during that time and 0:11:46.679 --> 0:11:48.880 a lot of resentment and it took me a lot 0:11:48.880 --> 0:11:52.400 of tools and actions. I think once there was more 0:11:52.559 --> 0:11:57.160 time of him being sober, it really helped just realize 0:11:57.200 --> 0:11:58.880 that things were changing. 0:11:59.360 --> 0:11:59.560 You know. 0:11:59.600 --> 0:12:02.120 The act was really big for me because the words 0:12:02.120 --> 0:12:04.040 really didn't matter at this point, and that's what made 0:12:04.080 --> 0:12:07.040 it really challenging. So once I saw that time was 0:12:07.080 --> 0:12:10.320 passing and the actions of his I would say emotional 0:12:10.360 --> 0:12:12.960 maturity was changing, that's when I was like, Okay, this 0:12:13.040 --> 0:12:16.800 is helping me so much. Just have forgiveness and just 0:12:17.440 --> 0:12:20.080 I think any sort of therapy is so beneficial in 0:12:20.120 --> 0:12:20.960 life no matter. 0:12:20.760 --> 0:12:23.040 What, because it helps so much. 0:12:23.080 --> 0:12:26.679 But couple's therapy together too was really important for us 0:12:26.720 --> 0:12:27.760 and it helped us a lot. 0:12:28.320 --> 0:12:30.880 Do you feel like there were days that you definitely 0:12:31.400 --> 0:12:33.200 just did not want to be there or you were 0:12:33.240 --> 0:12:36.679 on like shut down and it gives like, well, this 0:12:36.760 --> 0:12:38.600 is like a huge waste of time and then how 0:12:38.640 --> 0:12:40.480 would you pull yourself out of that? 0:12:41.200 --> 0:12:45.120 It's so interesting because I feel like I never ever, 0:12:45.480 --> 0:12:48.000 even through all of this and everything that we had 0:12:48.040 --> 0:12:51.080 ever been through, like the divorce word never hit my 0:12:51.160 --> 0:12:53.280 mind ever, Like I just was like, it's just a 0:12:53.360 --> 0:12:55.480 non negotiable, like we're not getting divorced ever in our 0:12:55.520 --> 0:12:57.880 whole entire lives, Like you're going to just get better, 0:12:58.040 --> 0:13:00.240 Like we're just going to figure out ways to get 0:13:00.240 --> 0:13:02.040 you better, and then we're going to be together forever. 0:13:02.120 --> 0:13:06.200 Because I strongly believed so much that this man that 0:13:06.240 --> 0:13:08.679 I fell in love with was still there underneath all 0:13:08.720 --> 0:13:12.840 of this destruction and turmoil. So I don't know if 0:13:12.880 --> 0:13:16.000 I ever wasn't willing. I think at times I was 0:13:16.520 --> 0:13:21.080 more shut off because I was just exhausted. Then necessarily 0:13:21.120 --> 0:13:24.600 like I just was unhopeful because I think the hope 0:13:24.640 --> 0:13:27.400 was always there. I never really gave up on him 0:13:27.559 --> 0:13:30.400 and my hope for him, which is good. I mean 0:13:30.480 --> 0:13:32.720 a lot of people, I think in times they just 0:13:33.000 --> 0:13:34.840 they get to the point where like the hope just 0:13:34.880 --> 0:13:37.880 gets lost and then they just have no that's it 0:13:38.080 --> 0:13:40.600 for them. But luckily I still always had that, which 0:13:40.640 --> 0:13:43.640 is I think what helped a lot with our relationship 0:13:43.640 --> 0:13:46.360 and what helps today, you know, is we always we 0:13:46.400 --> 0:13:48.080 want to be together forever. We want to be the 0:13:48.080 --> 0:13:50.160 best version of ourselves for each other. So that's why 0:13:50.240 --> 0:13:52.719 we work so hard at taking care of ourselves. 0:13:53.080 --> 0:13:53.520 I love that. 0:13:53.559 --> 0:13:55.240 Well, thank you for sharing some of that because I 0:13:55.280 --> 0:13:59.319 know that it's sometimes really difficult to even revisit. But 0:13:59.640 --> 0:14:02.320 I guess since you've made it part of your story, 0:14:02.440 --> 0:14:04.560 part of your mission, part of your what does this 0:14:04.640 --> 0:14:07.520 make possible? Then it feels good to talk about it 0:14:07.520 --> 0:14:09.800 because it's giving purpose to what you went through. 0:14:22.840 --> 0:14:23.680 Let's do it live. 0:14:24.800 --> 0:14:28.440 We are the two so loser. 0:14:30.600 --> 0:14:32.920 What up, everybody? I am lunchbox. I know the most 0:14:32.920 --> 0:14:35.640 about sports, so I'll give you the sports facts, my 0:14:35.760 --> 0:14:39.720 sports opinions because I'm pretty much a sports genius. 0:14:40.200 --> 0:14:40.880 What up, y'all? 0:14:40.880 --> 0:14:43.080 At his scison, I'm from the North. I'm in Alpha Male. 0:14:43.120 --> 0:14:45.240 I live on the West side of Nashville with Baser, 0:14:45.320 --> 0:14:48.200 my wife. We do have a white picket fence at 0:14:48.200 --> 0:14:50.920 the apartment complex. Soon I'm gonna have two point five 0:14:51.040 --> 0:14:53.360 kids and yes, sadly, I will die of a heart 0:14:53.360 --> 0:14:55.360 attack when I'm seventy two years old. 0:14:56.080 --> 0:14:59.000 Here's a clip from the last podcast. 0:15:00.160 --> 0:15:02.280 If you're in Nashville, since it's not legal here, I 0:15:02.280 --> 0:15:04.920 think you can get in trouble at the airport. Whereas Vegas, 0:15:04.920 --> 0:15:06.880 if you get caught with gummies, they just throw them away. 0:15:07.040 --> 0:15:09.840 Case in point, got my bachelor party had gummies. They 0:15:09.960 --> 0:15:12.360 grabbed him out put them in the receptacle. 0:15:13.520 --> 0:15:14.520 At your bachelor party. 0:15:14.600 --> 0:15:16.640 Yeah, you were there. Don't remember that? 0:15:17.200 --> 0:15:20.640 The one dude, he was random. I invited him at 0:15:20.680 --> 0:15:23.600 a party one time and he came camp. His name 0:15:23.600 --> 0:15:26.480 slips my mind. It was three years ago, it feels 0:15:26.480 --> 0:15:28.040 like a lot longer than that. The dude that just 0:15:28.120 --> 0:15:30.120 like would go to bed at night and slept for 0:15:30.240 --> 0:15:31.000 twelve hours. 0:15:32.280 --> 0:15:33.840 Oh, is that the one that you shared a hotel 0:15:33.880 --> 0:15:36.560 room with. No, he actually might stay, so you're telling 0:15:36.560 --> 0:15:38.560 me the one that actually stayed at MGM Grand while 0:15:38.600 --> 0:15:40.320 you stayed at New York, New York or wherever the 0:15:40.360 --> 0:15:41.040 hell you stayed. 0:15:41.080 --> 0:15:42.760 He was kind of I stayed at Paris. He was 0:15:42.840 --> 0:15:45.600 kind of Jonathan's friend. But he was awesome. Just on 0:15:45.640 --> 0:15:48.720 the way out, didn't disguise the gummies. They pulled him 0:15:48.800 --> 0:15:50.440 right out, threw them away. But you don't get in trouble. 0:15:50.640 --> 0:15:52.600 That's the difference between Oh, yeah, you guys, I was 0:15:52.640 --> 0:15:54.920 tsa pre check. You guys weren't. Sorry. I didn't see 0:15:54.920 --> 0:15:56.400 that altercation as my bat. 0:15:56.640 --> 0:15:58.360 He didn't really explain it to us well either. He 0:15:58.400 --> 0:16:00.360 just came over. He was so hung over and goes, yeah, 0:16:00.360 --> 0:16:02.080 all those gummies I bought one hundred dollars worth of 0:16:02.080 --> 0:16:04.920 theirs threw them away and we said, no emotion. 0:16:05.560 --> 0:16:06.400 I'm too hungover. 0:16:06.560 --> 0:16:09.840 We get it, totally understand. But let me tell you, right, 0:16:10.120 --> 0:16:13.800 a lot like this is the best Friday, the last Friday. 0:16:14.680 --> 0:16:16.440 I mean, we're ending the podcast. 0:16:16.840 --> 0:16:21.480 No, I am so excited for Sunday because it's Selection Sunday. 0:16:21.480 --> 0:16:24.040 But here's only one problem. Things have changed in the 0:16:24.120 --> 0:16:27.680 landscape of college basketball where I don't have hope for 0:16:27.720 --> 0:16:31.200 a national championship. I don't have hope for a Kansas 0:16:31.480 --> 0:16:35.080 raising the national championship banner. So going into the tournament, 0:16:35.120 --> 0:16:35.960 I'm a little sad. 0:16:36.240 --> 0:16:37.480 What are you from Arkansas? 0:16:38.160 --> 0:16:40.880 No, I just said Kansas. I said Kansas. 0:16:41.960 --> 0:16:44.840 Right, they have reason to be sad, don't I don't 0:16:44.840 --> 0:16:48.360 even think they're going to get into American the American Tournament. 0:16:48.640 --> 0:16:50.520 No, No, I understand Kansas is going to be in 0:16:50.520 --> 0:16:51.320 the tournament. 0:16:50.960 --> 0:16:53.480 But I have no like, did you guys make it? 0:16:53.760 --> 0:16:53.960 Yeah? 0:16:53.960 --> 0:16:56.080 We made the tournament, no problem. The Valls make it. 0:16:56.320 --> 0:16:58.760 Vallves are going to be maybe a number one seed Vandy. 0:16:59.440 --> 0:17:02.320 Vandy fire their coach, so they didn't make it. Stack 0:17:02.600 --> 0:17:07.720 Stack is out. Yeah, and he had a hell of 0:17:07.760 --> 0:17:09.960 a press conference, man, and Justin saw him. 0:17:10.400 --> 0:17:12.080 Where did you see him in person? We went to 0:17:12.160 --> 0:17:13.040 the game three years ago. 0:17:13.160 --> 0:17:18.600 I saw him. I was eating at Chopped, which is 0:17:18.640 --> 0:17:21.680 like a salad place. I don't know, Well, why don't 0:17:21.720 --> 0:17:23.159 you just chop. 0:17:22.960 --> 0:17:25.800 Me a salad? What a restaurant. It's just like a 0:17:25.840 --> 0:17:28.479 little it's like a Chipotle, but for salads. Were there 0:17:28.520 --> 0:17:34.000 any dudes in there? There was actually three dudes working there. 0:17:35.320 --> 0:17:36.240 They all loved me. 0:17:36.440 --> 0:17:39.800 So I'm sitting out on the patio and I'm eating 0:17:39.840 --> 0:17:41.520 my Chopped salad. 0:17:43.600 --> 0:17:45.359 I would have drove by and saw you. Dud on 0:17:45.480 --> 0:17:49.120 a veered off the road and. 0:17:48.160 --> 0:17:51.400 I was eating I think it was a Fiesta salad, 0:17:51.560 --> 0:17:53.640 so it had like avocado. 0:17:53.960 --> 0:17:55.360 Some put some meat in there. 0:17:55.400 --> 0:17:57.960 Oh, Sara, we don't have any meat grilled corner. It's 0:17:57.960 --> 0:18:00.199 not a vegetarian place. It's called a salad. Have you 0:18:00.200 --> 0:18:00.959 ever had a salad? 0:18:01.080 --> 0:18:01.359 Yeah? 0:18:01.480 --> 0:18:04.159