Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is
Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or
Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. Hello there,
Speaker 1: welcome back to the show. My name is Matt, my
Speaker 1: name is Noel, and I am Ben. You are you
Speaker 1: that it makes this stuff they don't want you to know? Uh, guys,
Speaker 1: we had a we had a pretty cool response to
Speaker 1: our shout out corner. Really yeah, it was it people
Speaker 1: asking for shout outs. It was, in fact, it is
Speaker 1: Uh do do we want to do it one more time?
Speaker 1: Chat at corners? A nice guys, Yeah, that was good.
Speaker 1: We're still feeling out the theme song. So our first
Speaker 1: shout out today goes to Jeremy Seth Brauner. Uh. Jeremy said,
Speaker 1: could you guys of an on air shout out to
Speaker 1: my wife and I Jeremy and Chantell, who just celebrated
Speaker 1: our one year wedding anniversary. Very nice. Congratulations Maybe a year,
Speaker 1: that's that's not an easy accomplishment, guys, did small businesses
Speaker 1: I think can't make it a year, especially restaurants, restaurants,
Speaker 1: it's a cutthroat industry. But congratulations Jeremy. Congratulations shantell. And
Speaker 1: we've got another shout out fresh out of corner. This
Speaker 1: one is to j Collins. Uh, he says, conspiracy stuff.
Speaker 1: When you asked your listeners for what kind of skinwalker
Speaker 1: they'd want to be, I'm the one who said a
Speaker 1: duck hashtag shout at coining. The next one goes out
Speaker 1: to Holly a k A Kawaii five a girl ghost
Speaker 1: shout out to you, Holly, uh yeah. And also, Holly,
Speaker 1: you bribed us. You said I will send you boys
Speaker 1: a gift for the studio if I guess if we
Speaker 1: give you a shout out, so the balls in your court,
Speaker 1: my friends shout out as currency. I like it, shout
Speaker 1: out as currency, you guys. This might be as big
Speaker 1: as ben Bucks, which I'm still working on right So,
Speaker 1: thank you so much, Tollie. That's very nice for you,
Speaker 1: and it would be cool. I don't know what you
Speaker 1: guys want. I've had a couple of things on my mind.
Speaker 1: I want to just a surprise. Yeah, okay, surprise is
Speaker 1: kid by which I don't mean like feces in a
Speaker 1: box or something. I mean like that would be awful.
Speaker 1: Thanks for showing me out. Here's some poop. Well you know,
Speaker 1: it's a big world, Matt. People have different values. But actually,
Speaker 1: on a serious note, we're not expecting anything. We give
Speaker 1: a shout out. It's just a shout out corner. It's
Speaker 1: just a chance for us to introduce on air listeners
Speaker 1: to each other. It's just a fun thing we like
Speaker 1: to do. That's right, And one day I will get
Speaker 1: my boat back, Thank you, thank you. And speaking of
Speaker 1: oh yeah, that's right, they did treat that as well.
Speaker 1: And speaking of fun times and astonishing segues, have you
Speaker 1: guys ever spent time on a farm or visited or
Speaker 1: you know, mine's probably the weakest of of of our stories,
Speaker 1: but I did take a field trip when I was
Speaker 1: an elementary school to a dairy farm, and I don't know,
Speaker 1: I just remember thinking that cows were very strange creatures
Speaker 1: to be close to, because it's like, on the one hand,
Speaker 1: you think they're dumb and they don't really care about
Speaker 1: what's going on as long as they've got what is
Speaker 1: it cut, you know, something to to choose some grass
Speaker 1: with on which too much um. But then you look
Speaker 1: at him and sun and you get the sense that
Speaker 1: there might be something going on. You know, they might
Speaker 1: know something that we don't know. That's that's really interesting.
Speaker 1: Stayed with me. I'm not kidding, no, I would agree
Speaker 1: with you. As a kid, I had an elementary school
Speaker 1: friend who his grandparents lived in a very rural area
Speaker 1: in Georgia here and there were just there's just farmland
Speaker 1: that just not even formally just pastures really and they
Speaker 1: would just expand out and what we would do is
Speaker 1: go grabb like makeshift swords out of wooden sticks and
Speaker 1: stuff and just kind of travel along around on this
Speaker 1: huge acres and acre just sounds like you had a
Speaker 1: magical childhood. Man, it was pretty dope. Got I mean
Speaker 1: no nothing uh technological to ground me while I'm out
Speaker 1: there exploring. It was cool. But one of the things
Speaker 1: one of the other areas of land that was there
Speaker 1: somebody else's land. They had cows, they had there were
Speaker 1: a couple of horses and stuff like that. They were
Speaker 1: just roaming around. And one of the things that struck
Speaker 1: me when we were talking about this is what you
Speaker 1: just said. Uh, they seemed to be extremely gentle. I
Speaker 1: never actually got close enough to touch them, but they
Speaker 1: would just kind of hang out by the fence and
Speaker 1: like look at you. But they would look at you,
Speaker 1: you know, and just kind of like, you know, cows
Speaker 1: only move out of distress. And apparently I read this
Speaker 1: somewhere and maybe I heard it as a sinister thing
Speaker 1: a serial killer character said in a television show. Not
Speaker 1: a percent sure, but apparently one reason that they move
Speaker 1: is their mourning are slaughtered children. Who well, cow's our sapiens.
Speaker 1: Do you have intelligence? Uh? Maybe not necessarily wisdom. I
Speaker 1: have a similar experience in my personal life, which, as
Speaker 1: you guys know, rarely talked about on air. But this
Speaker 1: might be enjoyable. Uh So, in one of the places
Speaker 1: I was living, it was adjacent to a fairly small
Speaker 1: cattle operation, but when you're a kid, everything is bigger.
Speaker 1: So we jumped the fence and go exploring in that
Speaker 1: area and sneaking into the farm late at night. I
Speaker 1: don't know what the statute of limitations is on this,
Speaker 1: but we never caused any physical damage, right, and I
Speaker 1: think how tipping is It is a dangerous thing for
Speaker 1: the cow. But we had invented a sport we called
Speaker 1: cow fishing, which is that we would go into um
Speaker 1: into where the cattle were set up for the night,
Speaker 1: get onto the second floor, and then take an ear
Speaker 1: of corn and tie fishing line around it and then
Speaker 1: tie it to a stick, and then we would go
Speaker 1: to them. We would lean over where the you know,
Speaker 1: the cow was sleeping, and then we would sort of
Speaker 1: tap it on its head and it would look left
Speaker 1: and it would look right, and we're trying to figure
Speaker 1: out if they could look up. We didn't know much
Speaker 1: about cows. And then we would extend this ear of
Speaker 1: corn in front of the cow's face so that the
Speaker 1: cow could see it. And listeners, you probably, unless you
Speaker 1: have psychic powers, can't see it right now, but I'm
Speaker 1: gesticulating this thing. I'm explaining it nonverbally as well to
Speaker 1: our friends Knell and Matt here. So I would extend
Speaker 1: this ear of corn out where the cow could see it. Now,
Speaker 1: keep it far away, because I was a stupid kid,
Speaker 1: and I wanted to see what they would do. And
Speaker 1: that's how I discovered that cows have disturbingly long, almost
Speaker 1: prehensile tongues, because the tongue comes out and then it wraps.
Speaker 1: I see it like wrap around this ear of corn,
Speaker 1: and I freak out and I dropped the thing and
Speaker 1: I ran away, and I haven't been back since, you know,
Speaker 1: that's how in the game Minecraft you are able to
Speaker 1: ride animals, which consist of pigs and cows and horses.
Speaker 1: I think, um, you have to fashion a fishing pole
Speaker 1: and put a carrot on the end of it, and
Speaker 1: then you mount the farm animal and you you fish.
Speaker 1: I had no idea, It's true. I have never played
Speaker 1: Minecraft's good like. I just have to say, I can
Speaker 1: imagine that being terrifying. Uh, the a cow doesn't seem
Speaker 1: like an animal that would have a tongue like that,
Speaker 1: I guess in your mind, maybe especially as a kid.
Speaker 1: I'm not like a you know, a cow, professor. It's
Speaker 1: also real purple and spitty. I mean, it's it's a
Speaker 1: it's a pretty intense thing. Looks like some sort of
Speaker 1: like mutant slug from like a sci fi movie. But
Speaker 1: but we do know that cattle are intelligent. That's one
Speaker 1: thing is coming up in all three of our stories.
Speaker 1: We do know that these animals have the ability to
Speaker 1: have their own personalities, right to remember other members of
Speaker 1: their of their pure group or if you want to
Speaker 1: see their family structure, their their tribe. And we know
Speaker 1: that there are a heck of a lot of them.
Speaker 1: Do you know how many yeah, thanks for asking. As
Speaker 1: of January one, two thousand fifteen, according to the National
Speaker 1: Cattleman's Beef Association, there are eighty nine point eight million
Speaker 1: cows in the US. That's actually up from January a
Speaker 1: whole percent, a whole one percent. Uh. This this translates
Speaker 1: to a forty four billion dollar industry. This also means
Speaker 1: that you know, these cows are broken up. Some are
Speaker 1: milk cows, most are beef cows. Right. And you can
Speaker 1: clearly listeners tell because after all, it is what's for dinner.
Speaker 1: It is his you mean, the beef, right, and nut milk,
Speaker 1: the beef milk. It's what's for dinner. That's all. We have, bread,
Speaker 1: milk stick. It grows. So with this huge industry, with
Speaker 1: this livestock we are I don't want to enter into
Speaker 1: too much of the argument over whether or not it's
Speaker 1: right to eat animals. That's maybe a different show. But
Speaker 1: we're just establishing that these things are everywhere. You, if
Speaker 1: you live in the US, have probably at some time,
Speaker 1: at the very least gone by a cow field like
Speaker 1: cow pastor right. Uh. And the funny thing is that
Speaker 1: every so often on these ranches in these pastors when
Speaker 1: they call the cows home and all of them show up.
Speaker 1: And that is what today's episode is about. For anyone
Speaker 1: who just didn't read the title of the episode, it's
Speaker 1: about the cattle to get maybe stranded or just one
Speaker 1: straight a little too far away from the herd. And
Speaker 1: then it's like Homeward Downd the movie, but with like
Speaker 1: a cow, I would love that? Who would have trying
Speaker 1: to find its a home? Who would it? Would be
Speaker 1: a precocious pig and a perhaps a fox um, all
Speaker 1: with celebrity voices. The only difference in the Homeward Bound
Speaker 1: version of that, and then the one that we're going
Speaker 1: to describe today is that it ends in invisceration, exanguination,
Speaker 1: and uh, the death of the main character. Yes, so
Speaker 1: what is cattle mutilation? Well, the typical definition of cattle
Speaker 1: mutilation is the killing um and disfigurement, disembowelment, evisceration, shall
Speaker 1: we say, of cattle under anomalous or you know, unusual
Speaker 1: kind of suspect circumstances, Well, they often appeared to be
Speaker 1: partially skinned, or they have incisions that appear to have
Speaker 1: been done with surgical precision, which is pretty unusual. And
Speaker 1: often these animals are reported to have been exanguinated or
Speaker 1: drained entire hirely of blood. Um, they're soft parts, the eyes,
Speaker 1: their organs, all the good guscy stuff. Yeah, the hind
Speaker 1: cores are missing. Yeah, they're sexual organs as well. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's a pretty gruesome thing to have happened to anything
Speaker 1: any living being. Um, it's it's crazy too. It's not
Speaker 1: just we've been talking about cows this whole time. It's
Speaker 1: not just that cattle. Other livestock have experienced this kind
Speaker 1: of thing. You'll you'll see it in I know, sheep
Speaker 1: and goats have been it's been reported in those two,
Speaker 1: in particular, horses as well. Yeah, we we've also there's
Speaker 1: one case that we might get to today in which
Speaker 1: is an excellent example of this. But but here's the deal.
Speaker 1: You've probably heard of cattle mutilations, right, listeners, I mean,
Speaker 1: the X files is back on, people are people are
Speaker 1: more likely now to check it out than they were previously.
Speaker 1: And we've often heard what what are the initial reports
Speaker 1: We've always heard, right, We've always heard like, oh, it's
Speaker 1: uh aliens. No no, no, my friend, that's a coyote.
Speaker 1: No no, no, no, no, no no, it was somebody else yeah,
Speaker 1: that was a human. Yeah. I mean, I think something
Speaker 1: that distinguishes these cases from just a typical um animal
Speaker 1: malling or an animal attack is the nature of some
Speaker 1: of the wounds. I mean, I think, you know, a
Speaker 1: typical cattle rancher farmer is experienced with wild animals and
Speaker 1: probably be aware of what it would look like if, say,
Speaker 1: a coyote had attacked one of their animals, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: and that that's a good point because ranchers see a
Speaker 1: lot of stuff and uh vets who work on on
Speaker 1: animals with animals also see a lot of stuff. And
Speaker 1: that's one of the big arguments will be getting to.
Speaker 1: So the various biologists and experts and law enforcement officers
Speaker 1: and ranchers investigating this over time have a number of
Speaker 1: like oculative causes, right and um, they're pretty much exactly
Speaker 1: what you're naming natural predation, scavenging, human intervention like loan
Speaker 1: killers a k A. Board teenagers you're write a k A.
Speaker 1: Future Dahmers, you know, or what was that got ed
Speaker 1: geen gang? Yeah, the real life inspiration for the Texas
Speaker 1: chainsaw massacre. Very disturbing stuff. Would love to do a
Speaker 1: show about that. And then there are the ideas of
Speaker 1: maybe humans, but not just some loan unhappy kid. Uh
Speaker 1: who you know what. On a side note, you would
Speaker 1: have to be a very very very strong, loan unhappy
Speaker 1: kid to take that. To do your homework, man, I mean,
Speaker 1: you can't just go in half cocked and just you know,
Speaker 1: knock out a cow and then go to town on
Speaker 1: in soft parts. I mean you really have to come
Speaker 1: with a taser or some kind of like a mall
Speaker 1: one of those air guns. You'd probably be the best movie,
Speaker 1: like one of the air guns they that the guy
Speaker 1: used in um No Country for Old Men. Yeah. Well,
Speaker 1: as as we're going to find a little later that
Speaker 1: the the idea of any medicinal smell around one of
Speaker 1: these animals that's experienced this, or some kind of the
Speaker 1: surgical cuts. Perhaps even I don't know, man, there might
Speaker 1: be people working together on this. It might not be
Speaker 1: a lone person, right. What if it's a cult. What
Speaker 1: if it is some sort of government agency or affiliated
Speaker 1: thing operating in secret exciting stuff And we'll get to
Speaker 1: it at this time. We have to say though, that
Speaker 1: the mainstream news and most of the stuff you're going
Speaker 1: to read or encounter when you look this up is
Speaker 1: going to argue that this is the result of what
Speaker 1: do we in the video? We had a good line, um,
Speaker 1: Mankind's original and most brutal enemy nature, Right, Yeah, the
Speaker 1: the the first antagonist for this species. But let's look
Speaker 1: at the timeline because although we might associate in here
Speaker 1: in the US cattle mutilation with something from the seventies
Speaker 1: or whatever, the story of mutilating animals dates back, way, way, way,
Speaker 1: way further. Can you hear me going back? Yeah? You
Speaker 1: went so far back there. And the reason it goes
Speaker 1: back so far is because it isn't necessarily the slaughtering
Speaker 1: of an animal like this wasn't necessarily historically always for food, right,
Speaker 1: there was another reason. Sometimes you would slaughter an animal
Speaker 1: in a ritualistic manner to appease perhaps a god or
Speaker 1: God's Did you guys ever watch the HBO series Rome.
Speaker 1: I have not. It's actually pretty good. Um. There's a
Speaker 1: scene though, where one of the main female characters, who
Speaker 1: is very wealthy head of a family, UM, is trying
Speaker 1: to curry favor from the gods. I believe to have
Speaker 1: her son, the life of her son spared UM in battle,
Speaker 1: and she goes into this temple where a priest conducts
Speaker 1: this ritual wherein a bull is walked out onto a
Speaker 1: metal grate and um basically slaughtered and gutted, and the
Speaker 1: blood pours down through the grates onto the character and
Speaker 1: she has drenched in it and then walks up the
Speaker 1: priest and says, your son will be spad. That's hot,
Speaker 1: but blood fresh blood is pretty hot. I guess yes,
Speaker 1: and several levels. So we're we're both agree. And it's
Speaker 1: fascinating that you say that, because this this is exactly
Speaker 1: what we're talking about when we're talking about sacrifice right
Speaker 1: um to gain fertility, right for the gods to look
Speaker 1: favorably upon your next endeavor in war, or you want
Speaker 1: to save your son right. And we know that this
Speaker 1: exists across multiple religions, multiple places. As Matt said earlier,
Speaker 1: we have some specific examples. One is practice that was
Speaker 1: called October horse or equas October an ancient Roman religions.
Speaker 1: What what would happen is there would be these three
Speaker 1: uh days of like racing, chariot racing, and during one
Speaker 1: of these races, which always occurred on the IDEs of
Speaker 1: October October UH, the winners of the two horse chariot race,
Speaker 1: which sacrifice their right hand horse, and this was propitiation
Speaker 1: to believe the god. Mars strange, but that's not the
Speaker 1: only thing. And this is why, no, your example of
Speaker 1: the show room is so good because it's based on
Speaker 1: some real life stuff that happened in Rome. Right. Our
Speaker 1: next example is that in the age of the Roman Empire,
Speaker 1: worshipers also sacrificed bulls, stub balls, stubb bulls. And they
Speaker 1: did this so often that we even have a word
Speaker 1: for it, and it is our word of the day,
Speaker 1: or I guess word of the week since it is
Speaker 1: a weekly podcast. Taro boleum more like whoa yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: because every time say you gotta go crazy, but that
Speaker 1: was the bullgoing crazy and then getta. That's strange to
Speaker 1: me that that's a lot of street cred when something
Speaker 1: happened so often that there is a specific word for it. Well,
Speaker 1: maybe listeners throughout this podcast, uh, you know, you can
Speaker 1: play along at home and when we say tarot bolium cool.
Speaker 1: That was great. And also this sacrificial right, it kind
Speaker 1: of carried on in several other religions. In Judaism, you
Speaker 1: had the corbon, which was a whole set of sacrificial
Speaker 1: offerings Uh, that are they're they're also in I believe
Speaker 1: in Christianity and Islam, there are different there are different offerings.
Speaker 1: Some of them are sacrificial in chu or some of
Speaker 1: them are symbolically sacrificial in nature. Um. You know, if
Speaker 1: you go back to the Little Testament, specifically in Christianity,
Speaker 1: you can find some sacrifice and going on. And there
Speaker 1: was a lot of specifics to like. I mean, you
Speaker 1: would sacrifice the lamb for a certain type of favor,
Speaker 1: and you know, a goat perhaps for another. It's interesting
Speaker 1: the language of sacrifice. I like the title of that.
Speaker 1: That that could be the title of something, the Language
Speaker 1: of Sacrifice, not as a book, but what an album
Speaker 1: that would be. Uh. And I wonder if in case
Speaker 1: you're listening to the show Radiohead, you're welcome. Uh. So
Speaker 1: the this is a great point that you're making old
Speaker 1: because anytime this had a religious angle to it, it
Speaker 1: wasn't just that I'm killing the right animal, well, it
Speaker 1: was super super important. It was also what day, what
Speaker 1: time am I killing this animal? How right am I
Speaker 1: saying the right words? Are we wearing the correct vestments?
Speaker 1: Highly ritualized? Highly ritualized? And this is important. The reason
Speaker 1: we're talking about this today is because as we look
Speaker 1: at modern cattle mutilation, this is one way in which
Speaker 1: we could differentiate between the random acts of a predator
Speaker 1: and the purposeful, stylized even um machinations of a human
Speaker 1: being or a group of or a group of human
Speaker 1: beings or a group of extraterrestrial spoiler alert. So early
Speaker 1: reports just go through this this part pretty quickly. Earlier reports. Uh.
Speaker 1: If you like our show, you may also be a
Speaker 1: fan of a magazine called The fourteen Times forty Times,
Speaker 1: which is magazine reporting on fringe theories and the paranormal
Speaker 1: is named after a guy named Charles Fort who was
Speaker 1: an early paranormal researcher, and he actually conducted a little
Speaker 1: bit of cursory research into mutilations of livestock in the US,
Speaker 1: which is how we know that these kind of reports
Speaker 1: date back as far back as the late nineteenth century.
Speaker 1: And that's fascinating to to have it go back that far.
Speaker 1: I didn't know much about Charles Fort in the forteen Times. Unfortunately,
Speaker 1: I have seen it. Unfortunately, yes, but I've I've seen
Speaker 1: it all over the place, and it mentioned specifically the
Speaker 1: forum the fourteen Times, where people will discuss the topics
Speaker 1: that we are generally looking up. But I had no
Speaker 1: real understanding of the back story, but we did in
Speaker 1: in making this video for this week, I found some
Speaker 1: old books, and one in particular that that is referenced
Speaker 1: here is called low l O exclamation mark, Yes, precisely,
Speaker 1: and it has several several different topics that it goes through.
Speaker 1: And one of the coolest things the chapters are full
Speaker 1: on sentences, which is kind of neat. I appreciated that
Speaker 1: a lot. And we we know that despite these reports,
Speaker 1: this was not an issue of national concern for wild
Speaker 1: that this would be instead a lurid story that's in
Speaker 1: a on the below the fold in your newspapers, that
Speaker 1: is until in nineteen sixty seven. So in nineteen sixty
Speaker 1: seven this phenomenon reached the mainstream when um a lady
Speaker 1: by the name of Agnes King and her son Harry
Speaker 1: found that their mayor lady had been gruesomely murdered, mutilated,
Speaker 1: partially skinned uh de fleshed shall we say, around the
Speaker 1: neck and head, and lady had also been exanguinated drained
Speaker 1: of all of her blood, the classic version of a
Speaker 1: cattle mutilation. In nineteen sixty seven. Yeah, it's too bad. Uh.
Speaker 1: And it occurred just for everyone's curious, it occurred in
Speaker 1: September of sixty seven. So this is not doesn't have
Speaker 1: a one on one connection with the old practice of
Speaker 1: the october horse. But that's a question that you probably
Speaker 1: had as well. This garnered this attention. It was reported
Speaker 1: in the Pueblo Chieftain. It was in Colorado, and after
Speaker 1: this reported, this is where Agnes's son, Harry, is the
Speaker 1: one who reported that strong medicinal odor, which will come
Speaker 1: into play later. Concerns over these so called mysterious mutilations
Speaker 1: of livestock went on as the years grew, and eventually
Speaker 1: it reached the ears of representatives of the government. So
Speaker 1: in nineteen five, a guy UH named Floyd K. Haskell,
Speaker 1: Colorado Senator, reaches out to the FBI for help. He said,
Speaker 1: there have been reports of mutilations in nine states, and
Speaker 1: as far as he could tell, there were a hundred
Speaker 1: and thirty cases of livestock mutilation in Colorado. Now, this
Speaker 1: is something our timeline gets a litt fuzzy here because
Speaker 1: I'm not sure how aware UH Senator has Skeol was
Speaker 1: at the time that the a t F the Bureau
Speaker 1: of Alcohol, Tobacquo and Firearms had conducted a study to
Speaker 1: see if there was any truth of rasty to cult involvement.
Speaker 1: And keep in mind, this is during a time when
Speaker 1: there was a burgeoning panic over possible Satanic colds in
Speaker 1: the US, right, the Satanic panic, the Satanic panic, precisely, No,
Speaker 1: and this this a t F thing found that there
Speaker 1: there really wasn't enough evidence to draw some kind of
Speaker 1: link like that. They just needed to know, and state
Speaker 1: level investigations differed, but also had also had a lot
Speaker 1: of a lot of disturbing numbers. Right. So for instance,
Speaker 1: we get a lot of information from the New Mexico
Speaker 1: State Police's investigation, wherein they found that there might be
Speaker 1: as many as eight thousand and estimated eight thousand cattle
Speaker 1: mutilations in Colorado. And they know for sure because again
Speaker 1: this New Mexico State Police. But in nineteen seventy nine,
Speaker 1: the FBI compiles a lot of this stuff and based
Speaker 1: on Haskell's recommendation, launches a project called Operation Animal Mutilation. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and they filed a report that was a full on
Speaker 1: two and nineties seven pages long, and there are little
Speaker 1: excerpts of it that you can find online through the
Speaker 1: Freedom of Information Act. Fascinating stuff. It's just a lot
Speaker 1: of it are just reports from a rancher or someone
Speaker 1: who owns cattle. Why can't you get the whole thing?
Speaker 1: I think? Is it redacted? I have not seen the
Speaker 1: entire report in itself, but I have seen excerpts. You
Speaker 1: can view a lot of it online at the FBI's
Speaker 1: vault website, which is super useful but also super irritating
Speaker 1: because they've just taken scans that in many cases are
Speaker 1: not very well done and just take a scan and
Speaker 1: posted Yeah, and you can't search them my keyword. But
Speaker 1: I you know, they're in a pickle of some sort
Speaker 1: because if they were just to type out or transcribe
Speaker 1: all of that necessary searchable format, then I don't know
Speaker 1: about you guys. My first question would be, what did
Speaker 1: you leave out there basically meeting the minimum compliance level
Speaker 1: of compliance? Yeah, it's tax dollars. You have to pay
Speaker 1: some in turn or some person like us to go
Speaker 1: through and actually write out the entire document. So where
Speaker 1: does this leave us? The guy who was in charge
Speaker 1: of this is fellow him Kenneth Rommel, and he concluded,
Speaker 1: let me make sure praise this correctly, gentleman. He concluded
Speaker 1: that the vast majority, pretty much all of these mutilations
Speaker 1: came from natural sources, predators, and then later scavengers. There
Speaker 1: it's sort of the short round to the indie in
Speaker 1: terms of predators. Yeah, and I guess we're gonna get
Speaker 1: into that a little later. Just that concept of when
Speaker 1: a what happens to a body when a predator attacks it.
Speaker 1: We're going to tackle that later, right, yes, Okay, well
Speaker 1: we'll hit we'll hit on that in a minute. Okay,
Speaker 1: So one other thing, just want to mention this is
Speaker 1: a little bit gruesome, and I was on the fence
Speaker 1: about including it. Uh in n There was a mutilation
Speaker 1: case that was a little bit different. This stuff continues today.
Speaker 1: There was a mutilation case is very similar to cal mutilation.
Speaker 1: However it involved a human being. This is a disturbing case.
Speaker 1: We're going to let you know where you can learn more,
Speaker 1: but we're not going to spend too much time on it.
Speaker 1: What they found is that there were various signs of
Speaker 1: this uh of this body discovered that had that that
Speaker 1: were indicative of the same kind of mutilation conducted on cattle.
Speaker 1: So cut at the base of the ear signs of
Speaker 1: brain removal, UH, both eyes plucked out, UH, cuts under
Speaker 1: the skin, removal of uh, sexual organs, uh incisions into
Speaker 1: body to take various extremities or oregan samples and Matt
Speaker 1: you have you have a place to point people. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's a gentleman that you may already know named Richard D.
Speaker 1: Hall who has covered the specific case before pretty extensively,
Speaker 1: made a documentary length fell like a full length documentary
Speaker 1: about this case and some of the surrounding things that
Speaker 1: I guess I'll run on the fringes of it and
Speaker 1: you can find that online. How I would go to
Speaker 1: the YouTube channel rich rich r a c H Planet UK.
Speaker 1: That's where I found a couple of clips and the
Speaker 1: full length documentary is available. He's got a website you
Speaker 1: can go to and check that out. Also. Uh, I
Speaker 1: can't believe I forgot to mention this body was found
Speaker 1: on a small island in the Guara Puranga Reservoir, which
Speaker 1: is in the southern, uh southern part of Sal Paulo, Brazil.
Speaker 1: So makes you wonder and it leads us to it
Speaker 1: leads us to the big thing, the question of the week, right,
Speaker 1: the causes. So I'll start. I'll start with the easy one.
Speaker 1: Nature predators, right, coyote primarily, wolves, bears, et cetera. Yet
Speaker 1: here's the thing. According to the Department of Agriculture, at
Speaker 1: least here in the US, only about point to three
Speaker 1: percent of cattle loss can be attributed to predation. That
Speaker 1: means that zero point to three zero less than one
Speaker 1: quarter of one percent. And we're saying is that this
Speaker 1: is kind of an infrequent, an infrequent thing already. So
Speaker 1: the mundane cause is already infrequent. The inexplicable stuff is
Speaker 1: a smaller part of an even of a very small subset,
Speaker 1: especially when you consider we're looking at ninety million cattle. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and especially if most of those cattle are in very
Speaker 1: controlled areas right there there are grouped together in large
Speaker 1: numbers many times. And there is that this the truth
Speaker 1: to safety and numbers. When you have a large animal
Speaker 1: like a cow. And then let's see though, let's that's
Speaker 1: that's a great point. Let's say cow does get taken down,
Speaker 1: wolf bear, mountain lion, I don't know. Let's just have
Speaker 1: a predator for the sake of argument. You got one,
Speaker 1: awesol lot. Okay, Let's say for some reason, a particularly
Speaker 1: vicious awfol Lotu manages to bring down the cow and
Speaker 1: it's just a it's a rage kill, lost kills it
Speaker 1: eats a little bit and then leaves to reek further
Speaker 1: awesol lot related havoc. Then the next step, however, are
Speaker 1: the scavengers. You know, the bizzards, the rats, the insects,
Speaker 1: the coyote. You show up late to the party, And
Speaker 1: it's interesting how these these different scavengers will not just
Speaker 1: work alone, right, and you're not just gonna have buzzards
Speaker 1: attacking something. You may they might finish the whole job,
Speaker 1: but there's probably gonna be some meat left. Then get
Speaker 1: the rats, who yeeah exactly. And then well it's interesting
Speaker 1: too because some of the ranchers that have been interviewed
Speaker 1: about cattle mutilation, some of them maintained that the weirdest
Speaker 1: thing is that scavengers won't touch the bodies, which is
Speaker 1: an interesting proposition and not everybody says that, but it
Speaker 1: leads us to some of the weirder alleged causes. And
Speaker 1: the last thing that I just have to bring up
Speaker 1: here are the bacteria, the micro organisms that go to
Speaker 1: town after an animal has died like that, especially when
Speaker 1: you've got, you know, the bowels of an animal that
Speaker 1: kind of begin eating itself from the inside out. It occurs,
Speaker 1: like sadly, very quickly after the point of death, the
Speaker 1: body begins to deteriorate interiorly. Um. And that's one of
Speaker 1: the reasons that you see, you know, when people talk
Speaker 1: about how the sex organs and the butt was, it
Speaker 1: was all just completely gone and eaten out in the
Speaker 1: face and the mouth where all the bacteria grows. It's
Speaker 1: just an interesting thing to point out it does occur naturally.
Speaker 1: I see what you're saying. Yeah, that's a valuable point
Speaker 1: to make. The Let's go straight to the weird stuff,
Speaker 1: all right, Aliens extraterrestrials et flying across the passable chasm
Speaker 1: of time and space to this tiny little mode of
Speaker 1: dust that's just flying around two uh. I guess for
Speaker 1: the sake of science, evis rates some animals. I mean, yeah,
Speaker 1: you gotta find out what's going on down here. It's
Speaker 1: it isn't It would be incredible to find life on
Speaker 1: a planet. If you're just flying around the cosmos looking
Speaker 1: for life and all of a sudden, oh my gosh,
Speaker 1: there is one that's a you know what That's a
Speaker 1: really good point because it makes me think that of
Speaker 1: what we as humans would do. We're traveling to another
Speaker 1: planet and we encounter another life form, probably not on purpose,
Speaker 1: but definitely it's in the cards that we would just
Speaker 1: killed it out of it. Remember that episode of The
Speaker 1: Twilight Zone where there are these like benevolent alien overlords
Speaker 1: that come to Earth and they're taking groups of humans
Speaker 1: up to their home planet little by little, and there's
Speaker 1: the one guy who's like against it, and he thinks,
Speaker 1: you know, something fishy is going on. And it turns
Speaker 1: out that they're actually sending humans to their home planet
Speaker 1: so that they can harvest them or like you know,
Speaker 1: what's the word, uh, you know, like cattle. Basically, like
Speaker 1: they used them as a fat source. That blew my
Speaker 1: mind because there's a good twist. No, look, we had
Speaker 1: a we had a letter before where somebody, um, somebody
Speaker 1: freaked out a little bit because they thought we were
Speaker 1: giving them spoilers for a show. So before I say
Speaker 1: anything else, if you somehow think that it would be
Speaker 1: wrong to discuss an episode of The Twilight Zone from
Speaker 1: back before television was in color, then please pause for
Speaker 1: the next two minutes while we talked about something that
Speaker 1: I assure you everyone else already already spoiled it, though. Well,
Speaker 1: the great thing is that that particular episode has been
Speaker 1: kind of echoed throughout the popular kidding like Twilight Zone,
Speaker 1: invented like almost every like Shamanian twist. You know, there's
Speaker 1: so many, there's so many great The reason I bring
Speaker 1: that up, though, is if there were aliens involved, or
Speaker 1: some sort of extraterrestrial and you know, it's easy to
Speaker 1: be flippant and say, oh, well, if there are these
Speaker 1: highly evolved, technologically advanced extraterrestrials, why would they bother flying
Speaker 1: you know, millions of miles to Earth just to you know,
Speaker 1: cut up some cows. You know what, if they're fascinated
Speaker 1: by the fact that we have these animals that we
Speaker 1: use for no other reason than to keep them in
Speaker 1: a p and fatten them up and use them to
Speaker 1: you know, subsist on, maybe they're kind of trying to
Speaker 1: figure out how to do that for themselves. You know,
Speaker 1: maybe there's something they lack in their society that they require,
Speaker 1: you know, some version of what we have as a species.
Speaker 1: You know, yeah, that's a good angle. We need cattle,
Speaker 1: and it makes it It makes me think also as well.
Speaker 1: One of the old problems often encountered in science fiction speculation, right, speculation,
Speaker 1: Alien life is technology and technological evolution. So what if
Speaker 1: there are what if there is some sort of life
Speaker 1: for there that is just streets ahead of us, galaxies
Speaker 1: ahead of us maybe in terms of space travel, but
Speaker 1: in other ways doesn't have technology that we would consider
Speaker 1: rather elementary. I mean, not fire. Maybe they don't have fire.
Speaker 1: That's that's a pretty basic one. And and and maybe
Speaker 1: maybe they're cutting them open and taking the parts back
Speaker 1: so that they can test them and see if it's
Speaker 1: something that they could even survive on. It's just a thought.
Speaker 1: I'm just you know, and here, Yeah, that's I mean,
Speaker 1: that's a good point. What do you think about cryptids? Though?
Speaker 1: The idea that some as of yet unidentified animal could
Speaker 1: be responsible for this certainly would account for why we
Speaker 1: don't recognize the means of um of the kill, the meat,
Speaker 1: the way that the animal is killed, that it's trained
Speaker 1: of blood, and that is not something we typically see
Speaker 1: in animals that we are scavengers or predators that were
Speaker 1: aware of Yeah, you know what I mean. One Ranchers
Speaker 1: said that place one Ranchers said that, uh, the cow,
Speaker 1: the cow that he discovered killed, had about eleven pounds
Speaker 1: of blood. How would a predator eat eleven pounds of
Speaker 1: blood by like, by itself or get rid of all
Speaker 1: of it? You know, Well, maybe he was a goat sucker.
Speaker 1: Maybe that's maybe that's what it specializes in. That's that's
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. I mean, if if it's some as
Speaker 1: yet unidentified creature, it would likely have equipment, shall we
Speaker 1: say that we are not familiar with, you know, and
Speaker 1: something that would that would take to drain a large
Speaker 1: animal of all of its blood would certainly be something
Speaker 1: outside of a coyote or a fox or you know,
Speaker 1: a typical straw. Yeah, that sounds like some real coy boy.
Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, as you're saying, okay, guys, uh, here
Speaker 1: we go. We're doing the turn now. As much as
Speaker 1: I love speculating about this stuff and about the possibility
Speaker 1: of aliens and why they would want to come down
Speaker 1: and study cows because perhaps they are a higher advanced
Speaker 1: bovine version, maybe that's what the aliens are, I have
Speaker 1: to say, and we have to move on to the
Speaker 1: idea that there's a human element somehow involved here because
Speaker 1: I think it's a little more plausible humans know how
Speaker 1: to drink milkshakes. I've been in this room the entire time. Hello, Hello,
Speaker 1: I just want to establish that. So that's I mean,
Speaker 1: that is a great point though, because we know it's
Speaker 1: completely not only is it plausible, but it has happened before.
Speaker 1: We have an industry built on the practice of humans
Speaker 1: killing and mutilating animals. These are this is uh, the
Speaker 1: cattle mulation that occurs now is different because it is
Speaker 1: not part of that system, and it also doesn't seem
Speaker 1: to be I mean, it's certainly not beneficial to the
Speaker 1: cattle or the ranchers, possibly the animals doing it. But
Speaker 1: we the point is, we do know that humans have
Speaker 1: the ability to kill, to kill livestock, and to do
Speaker 1: so in a variety of ways. We talked about the
Speaker 1: virgin and serial killers, and it led me to a
Speaker 1: question I wanted to ask you, guys, do you think
Speaker 1: it would be possible to explain some of these things
Speaker 1: by checking for areas known for cattle mutilation and seeing
Speaker 1: if they correlate to the stomping grounds of serial killers
Speaker 1: or the hometowns of people who would later become killers.
Speaker 1: That's fascinating. Yeah, but it's such a needle in a
Speaker 1: haystack because there's so few apprehended serial killers. Yeah, we
Speaker 1: have no idea where they're lurking. Well, it's also one
Speaker 1: of those things where, um, a burgeoning serial killer, shall
Speaker 1: we say, um, who knows how long they might just
Speaker 1: mutilate animals before they actually move on to actually killing
Speaker 1: you know, humans. They could do it for years, just
Speaker 1: just to practice. Just maybe they're trying to, um, not
Speaker 1: take it to the next level, and so they're you know,
Speaker 1: satisfying that urge just by killing animals in this way.
Speaker 1: Dark Passenger kind of that's exactly, especially the ones with
Speaker 1: the surgical incisions and that whole medicinal smell thing wears
Speaker 1: me out so much. It makes me think there's someone
Speaker 1: practicing not necessarily even killing, like serial killing, but wanting
Speaker 1: to practice some kind of medical I don't know, I
Speaker 1: was gonna say, I was gonna say maneuver quite the
Speaker 1: right word, but just procedure. Well, yeah, I guess it
Speaker 1: would be a procedure. Practicing a procedure on account. Well,
Speaker 1: this is this is interesting because from the skeptical side
Speaker 1: of it, what I've seen is that numerous people say
Speaker 1: the effects of scavengers or bloating and dehydration can cause
Speaker 1: the skin to split in a way that looks as
Speaker 1: if it were an extremely clean cut. However, the ranchers
Speaker 1: who you know own these these cattle will say that
Speaker 1: they've seen a lot of stuff and that they know
Speaker 1: the difference between somebody with a hunting knife or an
Speaker 1: animal attack or a scalpel. And you can see people
Speaker 1: trying to reproduce the effects of this and not doing
Speaker 1: the best job, which is why we hear the old
Speaker 1: stories about lasers, which has not been proven. But it's
Speaker 1: all it's another one of those weird things where you
Speaker 1: hear about increased signs of heat, like there was a
Speaker 1: heat sourcer in the cattle, or that there was a
Speaker 1: even readings of radiation slightly higher radiation And wouldn't a
Speaker 1: laser caught her eyes as it cuts? Yeah, so it
Speaker 1: burned a little. Yeah, that's a really good point. Um.
Speaker 1: I don't know, I haven't seen any confirmation of that,
Speaker 1: but we do need to put that idea in this show.
Speaker 1: What I have seen a little bit more credible confirmation
Speaker 1: or allegation rather is in the state level enforcement reports.
Speaker 1: They do talk a little bit about cults. Yeah, they do.
Speaker 1: They talk about hooded figures. I think one one person
Speaker 1: in particular discussed how they or they made an official
Speaker 1: report of how they were stopped in the road. There's
Speaker 1: a roadblock with fifteen or so hooded people in black
Speaker 1: hoods in particular October, and they had to turn around
Speaker 1: and go in and they just so happened that this
Speaker 1: was an area where cattle mutilations have been reported at
Speaker 1: a higher than regular And in September the same year,
Speaker 1: another resident of Idaho, a Blaine County Forestry Service employee,
Speaker 1: also reported seeing a group of figures in black hooded robes.
Speaker 1: The next day they found several mutilated cattle. Dude, this one,
Speaker 1: I love this one. Well. What's interesting is that these
Speaker 1: are reports were made to law enforcement. So this is
Speaker 1: not just some Internet story that people are telling each other.
Speaker 1: It's not a spooky story to tell them the dart.
Speaker 1: We do have to keep in mind though, that there
Speaker 1: was widespread I don't want to say hysteria, it's satanic.
Speaker 1: Panic is the perfect phrase, uh, to to use your
Speaker 1: earlier phrase, nol. But it doesn't necessarily mean the recults.
Speaker 1: But it is very strange. It's anomalous. Yeah, I I
Speaker 1: don't know, the thought of a group of people getting
Speaker 1: together who have decided that they want to I don't know,
Speaker 1: practice a religion and older religion, perhaps in the middle
Speaker 1: of Idaho in the country. I mean that that sounds
Speaker 1: fun to me. I know that sounds awful, probably even
Speaker 1: me saying that too many of you, But really it
Speaker 1: sounds fun. Yeah, I think that's okay. Not necessarily the
Speaker 1: animal sacrifice angle or that segment of it, but the
Speaker 1: idea of having an older religion kind of revived. Know,
Speaker 1: it feels very twilight zony to me, and I love it.
Speaker 1: Very close to Bohemian grove. Yes, I want to go
Speaker 1: so bad. Secremation of Care is that the name they're
Speaker 1: They're weird owl effigy burning thing. It is, Thank you
Speaker 1: Alex Jones. We're getting video of that. Yeah, that was
Speaker 1: That was a good movement. Is where it was very
Speaker 1: strange to see that. It makes me think of, um,
Speaker 1: you know, I did this documentary about the Georgia Guide
Speaker 1: Stones is a topic that we have yet to really unravel.
Speaker 1: I don't think we can't wait too needs to have Yeah,
Speaker 1: well no, we should. Um but anyone who doesn't know.
Speaker 1: The Guide Stones are sort of a Stonehenge esque array
Speaker 1: of granite slabs that are inscribed with these sort of
Speaker 1: commandments for kind of like a new world order, like
Speaker 1: a post apocalyptic rallying point, shall we say, in this
Speaker 1: meadow um in Elberton, Georgia, which is not terribly far
Speaker 1: from where we are in Atlanta. But um. One of
Speaker 1: the theories about these stones, since the person who financed
Speaker 1: and had them erected uh maintained his anonymity throughout the
Speaker 1: whole process. Mr. Christian, Mr rc Christian. But there were
Speaker 1: stories about how you know, and as tends to happen
Speaker 1: when their secrecy involved, people's imaginations run wild, and there
Speaker 1: were a lot of accounts of animal sacrifice. I actually
Speaker 1: interviewed a pastor at a nearby church for the documentary,
Speaker 1: and he swears up and down that there he rode
Speaker 1: by the site and saw people in hooded you know,
Speaker 1: hooded figures um, laying down rose petals and lighting candles
Speaker 1: and doing these like saltsticey type rituals. And he said
Speaker 1: that Um, when he started speaking out about it in
Speaker 1: his community at his church, people would place slaughtered goat
Speaker 1: carcasses at his uh you know, doorstep at his home
Speaker 1: and at the church, etcetera. Um. But point being, I
Speaker 1: think he was a little bit shall we say, exaggerative
Speaker 1: in his accounts, and I think it's probably very likely
Speaker 1: that he did see some hooded figures, but they were
Speaker 1: probably like you say, some folks kind of practicing sort
Speaker 1: of like a neo pagan kind of religious uh you know,
Speaker 1: um ritual, I could said. And you know, I mean
Speaker 1: it happens even here in you know, in in Georgia
Speaker 1: and in rural areas. They're very attractive to folks that
Speaker 1: are wanting to do that because they want to go
Speaker 1: out and be close to nature and where there aren't
Speaker 1: many people around. And so I mean I could imagine
Speaker 1: people did see hooded figures associated with some of these things.
Speaker 1: And you know, I mean there's always more insidious versions
Speaker 1: of these kind of rituals, and perhaps there was some
Speaker 1: animal sacrifice involved, as we talked about with Rome, you know, like,
Speaker 1: why is that any less likely that a newer version
Speaker 1: of a pagan religion like what they practiced in Rome
Speaker 1: wouldn't do the same thing. Are we profiling cults? You guys?
Speaker 1: Kind of I guess we are. I think the term
Speaker 1: cults is sort of like a odd catch all too,
Speaker 1: because of majority. Right, absolutely, Because again, if we're talking
Speaker 1: about is if you're a Pagan, are you in a
Speaker 1: cult anymore than if you're a Christian? Yeah, one person's
Speaker 1: cult is another person's true religion. Right. Uh. And I
Speaker 1: think the you know, we've talked a little bit about this,
Speaker 1: just to reiterate with a word like cult, one of
Speaker 1: the things that happens it is a word that springs
Speaker 1: up in opposition to something else. So cults are usually
Speaker 1: depicted as being in opposition to a larger religious doctrine,
Speaker 1: somehow underground. So is it possible is it possible that
Speaker 1: there is a group of people or several groups of
Speaker 1: people ritualistically murdering animals as part of a religious practice.
Speaker 1: If that's true, If that's the case, and if they
Speaker 1: own the cattle, then legally is a very interesting situation
Speaker 1: because is it a right to practice religion? Is it
Speaker 1: animal cruelty? Does you know what I mean? Yeah? Where
Speaker 1: does it? Where does it fall amongst all of these
Speaker 1: different categories? And what's with the secrecy? I want to know?
Speaker 1: But there there's another group that some people might also
Speaker 1: call a cult that have been alleged to participate in this,
Speaker 1: and that is the Church of Uncle Sam and for
Speaker 1: a fascinating reason. Okay, so it's been alleged that perhaps
Speaker 1: the United States government some facet of it is sacrifice.
Speaker 1: Not they're not sacrificing. They're killing these animals in order
Speaker 1: to conduct experiments to track disease, in particular bovine sponge
Speaker 1: of form and cephalopathy or ned cow disease, which took
Speaker 1: me which which took me forever to pronounce correctly in
Speaker 1: the in our video. It's great face something. I just
Speaker 1: why would the government creep in in the night and
Speaker 1: do this to some poor rancher without compensating him for
Speaker 1: the loss of his his livestock. I mean, we have
Speaker 1: things like the c d C. You know, we have
Speaker 1: the U s d A. They have facilities where they
Speaker 1: can test animals and they can take samples, and they
Speaker 1: send out, you know, representatives that will take samples or
Speaker 1: if they you know, need to test a specific cow
Speaker 1: in a specific area from a specific herd, I can't
Speaker 1: imagine they wouldn't clear it with the owner. And you know,
Speaker 1: these are good questions. But then also to add some
Speaker 1: to ask some more questions to uh the fire we're
Speaker 1: building for our own weird podcast. God here, let's also consider, um,
Speaker 1: let's if this were true, why would they do it
Speaker 1: in secret? That's that's the big question to me. Would
Speaker 1: it be because there would be at a public panic
Speaker 1: if they said, Hey, we're like one missed cow mutilation
Speaker 1: away from an outbreak of this this terrible disease. I
Speaker 1: think we all remember the mad cow disease. There were
Speaker 1: freakouts that happened quite frequently in the nineties. Do you
Speaker 1: guys remember that? Yeah? And I guess maybe you know
Speaker 1: to your point, it would be more effective to pull
Speaker 1: out the bits on site rather than to load up
Speaker 1: the whole cow. Right right. Again, they have trailers for
Speaker 1: these kind of things they do. They have unidentified black helicopters,
Speaker 1: which several police officers in New Mexico and Utah have
Speaker 1: also reported seen or unidentified craft. But here's here's the
Speaker 1: thing that I can't get past. If it is the government,
Speaker 1: if it if it is Big Brother conducting this kind
Speaker 1: of research, then what about the mutilations that occur in
Speaker 1: other countries, in other parts of the world. What, um,
Speaker 1: you know, what is the incentive for Uncle Sam in
Speaker 1: the various other governmental authorities to conduct these experiments. I mean,
Speaker 1: all the questions that you ask are still the ones
Speaker 1: that are stuck in my head. I'm I'm convinced based
Speaker 1: on what based on what a lot of these ranchers
Speaker 1: have said, I'm convinced that there is something anomalous. Whether
Speaker 1: that is a perfect storm of predation, scavenging and circuitan environment,
Speaker 1: or whether that is some you know, group of really
Speaker 1: screwed up college kids. What if it's a combination of
Speaker 1: all of the things we've touched on except from except
Speaker 1: aliens aliens. Maybe you can't say all the things right,
Speaker 1: all the things and aliens. But what if it's like
Speaker 1: happening here and there, you know, because if it's happening global,
Speaker 1: then it's probably not just one cause. What if the aliens,
Speaker 1: the serial killers, and the government are all working together,
Speaker 1: them cows and they're the cult worships the same thing,
Speaker 1: and then it's all I like. I like picturing it
Speaker 1: instead like an awkward meeting where people are expecting to
Speaker 1: run into each other, so you know, a picture like
Speaker 1: a far side cartoon cow since in the field and
Speaker 1: realize it's it's alone, and then like a mountain nine
Speaker 1: comes out, and then like three people in black robes
Speaker 1: come out, and an alien lands and then Uncle Sam
Speaker 1: like in the red, white and blue outfit. Dude, she
Speaker 1: gotta draw that. I know't now, I know. I don't
Speaker 1: want to tell on you, but you're quite the cartoonist.
Speaker 1: I think you should draw them. Eric Larson or has
Speaker 1: some fantastic images with aliens and cows. But can you
Speaker 1: imagine they all ran into to each other when you
Speaker 1: gave the same cow. How do you decide that? So good?
Speaker 1: Everybody's just playing rock paper scissors the past. Oh man,
Speaker 1: Since it feels like we're wrapping up, I just in
Speaker 1: the interest of continuing with the iconic nineties cartoon talk, Um,
Speaker 1: I just wanted to mention a comic series that we've
Speaker 1: mentioned several times, the Lock and Key series by Joe
Speaker 1: Hill and illustrated by Gabrielle Rodriguez. There is an issue
Speaker 1: and I believe the fourth trade collection where um the
Speaker 1: artist who drew and created Calvin and Hobbs series, Bill Waterson,
Speaker 1: does a kind of alternate reality version of the story
Speaker 1: and it alternates between his art and Rodriguez's art and
Speaker 1: it's just it works so beautifully and I can't recommend
Speaker 1: that series enough. Then I bought the whole thing and
Speaker 1: I've been kind of borrowing them from him here and there,
Speaker 1: and I'm working my way through it and it's just
Speaker 1: so good. Can't recommend it. And I love that some
Speaker 1: some folks, uh you out there in podcast land have
Speaker 1: commented on our love of comics and graphic novels. Please,
Speaker 1: if you have any suggestions, feel free to send them
Speaker 1: to us. Guys, if you're okay with it, let's end
Speaker 1: on listen on a local note for us. In January
Speaker 1: this year, mutilation in Jackson County, which is uh close
Speaker 1: to some stomping grounds of Athens, Georgia. They reported a
Speaker 1: series of mutilations two cows right now. The Sheriff's office
Speaker 1: say says that in at least one cow, they think
Speaker 1: um scavengers cause the wounds, but they're not sure about
Speaker 1: the other one. So this remains something that people still
Speaker 1: talk about. There's a lot of stuff we didn't touch
Speaker 1: on today, but you can see some more in our video.
Speaker 1: You can also hear some more in the documentary that
Speaker 1: Matt recommended. Furthermore, if you want to learn more about this,
Speaker 1: you can check out our podcast on skin Walker Ranch.
Speaker 1: The podcast and the video very good stuff. And please
Speaker 1: don't forget to check out our videos on cryptids. If
Speaker 1: you want to learn more about that angle. We've got
Speaker 1: the cult angle covered for you. It's all on our
Speaker 1: YouTube channel YouTube dot com slash conspiracy Stuff. And if
Speaker 1: none of that strikes your fancy and you want to
Speaker 1: just send a good old fashioned electronic message, you can
Speaker 1: do so by writing to conspiracy at how stuff works
Speaker 1: dot com. One last note, you guys, speaking of things
Speaker 1: that happened this past January. Everyone out there listening, all
Speaker 1: three of us here, our podcast got over one million
Speaker 1: downloads throughout January. Really how cool is that? I just
Speaker 1: wanted to say thank you for listening to us. Uh,
Speaker 1: you know, sit around this table and we enjoy it
Speaker 1: so much, and you know, I hope that you enjoyed
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