1 00:00:00,320 --> 00:00:04,760 Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 2 00:00:04,840 --> 00:00:09,160 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:09,280 --> 00:00:21,160 Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. Hello there, 4 00:00:21,239 --> 00:00:23,480 Speaker 1: welcome back to the show. My name is Matt, my 5 00:00:23,560 --> 00:00:26,920 Speaker 1: name is Noel, and I am Ben. You are you 6 00:00:27,120 --> 00:00:31,520 Speaker 1: that it makes this stuff they don't want you to know? Uh, guys, 7 00:00:31,760 --> 00:00:35,000 Speaker 1: we had a we had a pretty cool response to 8 00:00:35,040 --> 00:00:38,360 Speaker 1: our shout out corner. Really yeah, it was it people 9 00:00:38,360 --> 00:00:41,640 Speaker 1: asking for shout outs. It was, in fact, it is 10 00:00:42,080 --> 00:00:44,240 Speaker 1: Uh do do we want to do it one more time? 11 00:00:44,880 --> 00:00:50,720 Speaker 1: Chat at corners? A nice guys, Yeah, that was good. 12 00:00:50,720 --> 00:00:53,360 Speaker 1: We're still feeling out the theme song. So our first 13 00:00:53,520 --> 00:00:59,120 Speaker 1: shout out today goes to Jeremy Seth Brauner. Uh. Jeremy said, 14 00:00:59,320 --> 00:01:01,200 Speaker 1: could you guys of an on air shout out to 15 00:01:01,240 --> 00:01:04,959 Speaker 1: my wife and I Jeremy and Chantell, who just celebrated 16 00:01:05,000 --> 00:01:13,200 Speaker 1: our one year wedding anniversary. Very nice. Congratulations Maybe a year, 17 00:01:13,240 --> 00:01:18,600 Speaker 1: that's that's not an easy accomplishment, guys, did small businesses 18 00:01:18,640 --> 00:01:21,560 Speaker 1: I think can't make it a year, especially restaurants, restaurants, 19 00:01:21,600 --> 00:01:26,320 Speaker 1: it's a cutthroat industry. But congratulations Jeremy. Congratulations shantell. And 20 00:01:26,600 --> 00:01:29,680 Speaker 1: we've got another shout out fresh out of corner. This 21 00:01:29,720 --> 00:01:33,679 Speaker 1: one is to j Collins. Uh, he says, conspiracy stuff. 22 00:01:33,680 --> 00:01:36,280 Speaker 1: When you asked your listeners for what kind of skinwalker 23 00:01:36,319 --> 00:01:38,640 Speaker 1: they'd want to be, I'm the one who said a 24 00:01:38,760 --> 00:01:44,240 Speaker 1: duck hashtag shout at coining. The next one goes out 25 00:01:44,280 --> 00:01:48,920 Speaker 1: to Holly a k A Kawaii five a girl ghost 26 00:01:50,520 --> 00:01:55,160 Speaker 1: shout out to you, Holly, uh yeah. And also, Holly, 27 00:01:55,240 --> 00:01:57,640 Speaker 1: you bribed us. You said I will send you boys 28 00:01:57,640 --> 00:02:01,080 Speaker 1: a gift for the studio if I guess if we 29 00:02:01,160 --> 00:02:03,600 Speaker 1: give you a shout out, so the balls in your court, 30 00:02:03,640 --> 00:02:06,720 Speaker 1: my friends shout out as currency. I like it, shout 31 00:02:06,760 --> 00:02:08,639 Speaker 1: out as currency, you guys. This might be as big 32 00:02:08,639 --> 00:02:12,400 Speaker 1: as ben Bucks, which I'm still working on right So, 33 00:02:12,480 --> 00:02:14,280 Speaker 1: thank you so much, Tollie. That's very nice for you, 34 00:02:14,360 --> 00:02:15,840 Speaker 1: and it would be cool. I don't know what you 35 00:02:15,880 --> 00:02:18,400 Speaker 1: guys want. I've had a couple of things on my mind. 36 00:02:18,639 --> 00:02:22,000 Speaker 1: I want to just a surprise. Yeah, okay, surprise is 37 00:02:22,080 --> 00:02:24,480 Speaker 1: kid by which I don't mean like feces in a 38 00:02:24,560 --> 00:02:27,520 Speaker 1: box or something. I mean like that would be awful. 39 00:02:27,560 --> 00:02:30,520 Speaker 1: Thanks for showing me out. Here's some poop. Well you know, 40 00:02:30,720 --> 00:02:34,840 Speaker 1: it's a big world, Matt. People have different values. But actually, 41 00:02:35,400 --> 00:02:40,359 Speaker 1: on a serious note, we're not expecting anything. We give 42 00:02:40,360 --> 00:02:42,079 Speaker 1: a shout out. It's just a shout out corner. It's 43 00:02:42,120 --> 00:02:45,359 Speaker 1: just a chance for us to introduce on air listeners 44 00:02:45,400 --> 00:02:47,240 Speaker 1: to each other. It's just a fun thing we like 45 00:02:47,320 --> 00:02:49,600 Speaker 1: to do. That's right, And one day I will get 46 00:02:49,600 --> 00:02:53,760 Speaker 1: my boat back, Thank you, thank you. And speaking of 47 00:02:54,280 --> 00:02:56,600 Speaker 1: oh yeah, that's right, they did treat that as well. 48 00:02:56,960 --> 00:03:03,200 Speaker 1: And speaking of fun times and astonishing segues, have you 49 00:03:03,200 --> 00:03:06,200 Speaker 1: guys ever spent time on a farm or visited or 50 00:03:06,720 --> 00:03:09,480 Speaker 1: you know, mine's probably the weakest of of of our stories, 51 00:03:09,520 --> 00:03:11,760 Speaker 1: but I did take a field trip when I was 52 00:03:11,800 --> 00:03:14,960 Speaker 1: an elementary school to a dairy farm, and I don't know, 53 00:03:15,040 --> 00:03:19,600 Speaker 1: I just remember thinking that cows were very strange creatures 54 00:03:19,680 --> 00:03:22,359 Speaker 1: to be close to, because it's like, on the one hand, 55 00:03:22,440 --> 00:03:25,400 Speaker 1: you think they're dumb and they don't really care about 56 00:03:25,480 --> 00:03:27,160 Speaker 1: what's going on as long as they've got what is 57 00:03:27,200 --> 00:03:30,080 Speaker 1: it cut, you know, something to to choose some grass 58 00:03:30,200 --> 00:03:32,680 Speaker 1: with on which too much um. But then you look 59 00:03:32,720 --> 00:03:34,360 Speaker 1: at him and sun and you get the sense that 60 00:03:34,840 --> 00:03:38,080 Speaker 1: there might be something going on. You know, they might 61 00:03:38,120 --> 00:03:41,880 Speaker 1: know something that we don't know. That's that's really interesting. 62 00:03:41,880 --> 00:03:44,880 Speaker 1: Stayed with me. I'm not kidding, no, I would agree 63 00:03:44,920 --> 00:03:47,400 Speaker 1: with you. As a kid, I had an elementary school 64 00:03:47,400 --> 00:03:50,560 Speaker 1: friend who his grandparents lived in a very rural area 65 00:03:50,720 --> 00:03:53,800 Speaker 1: in Georgia here and there were just there's just farmland 66 00:03:53,880 --> 00:03:57,320 Speaker 1: that just not even formally just pastures really and they 67 00:03:57,320 --> 00:03:59,280 Speaker 1: would just expand out and what we would do is 68 00:03:59,280 --> 00:04:03,240 Speaker 1: go grabb like makeshift swords out of wooden sticks and 69 00:04:03,240 --> 00:04:05,880 Speaker 1: stuff and just kind of travel along around on this 70 00:04:06,240 --> 00:04:08,200 Speaker 1: huge acres and acre just sounds like you had a 71 00:04:08,240 --> 00:04:11,440 Speaker 1: magical childhood. Man, it was pretty dope. Got I mean 72 00:04:11,560 --> 00:04:15,760 Speaker 1: no nothing uh technological to ground me while I'm out 73 00:04:15,800 --> 00:04:18,479 Speaker 1: there exploring. It was cool. But one of the things 74 00:04:18,560 --> 00:04:21,240 Speaker 1: one of the other areas of land that was there 75 00:04:21,240 --> 00:04:23,960 Speaker 1: somebody else's land. They had cows, they had there were 76 00:04:23,960 --> 00:04:25,840 Speaker 1: a couple of horses and stuff like that. They were 77 00:04:25,880 --> 00:04:28,320 Speaker 1: just roaming around. And one of the things that struck 78 00:04:28,360 --> 00:04:30,599 Speaker 1: me when we were talking about this is what you 79 00:04:30,720 --> 00:04:33,599 Speaker 1: just said. Uh, they seemed to be extremely gentle. I 80 00:04:33,600 --> 00:04:36,000 Speaker 1: never actually got close enough to touch them, but they 81 00:04:36,000 --> 00:04:38,680 Speaker 1: would just kind of hang out by the fence and 82 00:04:38,760 --> 00:04:40,600 Speaker 1: like look at you. But they would look at you, 83 00:04:40,600 --> 00:04:43,960 Speaker 1: you know, and just kind of like, you know, cows 84 00:04:44,000 --> 00:04:49,039 Speaker 1: only move out of distress. And apparently I read this 85 00:04:49,080 --> 00:04:51,000 Speaker 1: somewhere and maybe I heard it as a sinister thing 86 00:04:51,000 --> 00:04:53,599 Speaker 1: a serial killer character said in a television show. Not 87 00:04:53,640 --> 00:04:57,760 Speaker 1: a percent sure, but apparently one reason that they move 88 00:04:58,440 --> 00:05:06,159 Speaker 1: is their mourning are slaughtered children. Who well, cow's our sapiens. 89 00:05:06,680 --> 00:05:10,760 Speaker 1: Do you have intelligence? Uh? Maybe not necessarily wisdom. I 90 00:05:11,080 --> 00:05:15,440 Speaker 1: have a similar experience in my personal life, which, as 91 00:05:15,440 --> 00:05:17,640 Speaker 1: you guys know, rarely talked about on air. But this 92 00:05:17,720 --> 00:05:21,200 Speaker 1: might be enjoyable. Uh So, in one of the places 93 00:05:21,279 --> 00:05:26,799 Speaker 1: I was living, it was adjacent to a fairly small 94 00:05:26,920 --> 00:05:29,600 Speaker 1: cattle operation, but when you're a kid, everything is bigger. 95 00:05:29,680 --> 00:05:33,760 Speaker 1: So we jumped the fence and go exploring in that 96 00:05:33,920 --> 00:05:38,320 Speaker 1: area and sneaking into the farm late at night. I 97 00:05:38,360 --> 00:05:41,000 Speaker 1: don't know what the statute of limitations is on this, 98 00:05:41,080 --> 00:05:45,080 Speaker 1: but we never caused any physical damage, right, and I 99 00:05:45,120 --> 00:05:48,240 Speaker 1: think how tipping is It is a dangerous thing for 100 00:05:48,279 --> 00:05:51,520 Speaker 1: the cow. But we had invented a sport we called 101 00:05:51,920 --> 00:05:55,840 Speaker 1: cow fishing, which is that we would go into um 102 00:05:55,839 --> 00:05:58,360 Speaker 1: into where the cattle were set up for the night, 103 00:05:58,640 --> 00:06:02,680 Speaker 1: get onto the second floor, and then take an ear 104 00:06:02,720 --> 00:06:05,640 Speaker 1: of corn and tie fishing line around it and then 105 00:06:05,680 --> 00:06:08,960 Speaker 1: tie it to a stick, and then we would go 106 00:06:09,480 --> 00:06:12,919 Speaker 1: to them. We would lean over where the you know, 107 00:06:12,960 --> 00:06:15,360 Speaker 1: the cow was sleeping, and then we would sort of 108 00:06:15,560 --> 00:06:17,800 Speaker 1: tap it on its head and it would look left 109 00:06:17,839 --> 00:06:19,440 Speaker 1: and it would look right, and we're trying to figure 110 00:06:19,480 --> 00:06:21,080 Speaker 1: out if they could look up. We didn't know much 111 00:06:21,080 --> 00:06:25,120 Speaker 1: about cows. And then we would extend this ear of 112 00:06:25,160 --> 00:06:27,200 Speaker 1: corn in front of the cow's face so that the 113 00:06:28,240 --> 00:06:32,359 Speaker 1: cow could see it. And listeners, you probably, unless you 114 00:06:32,360 --> 00:06:35,080 Speaker 1: have psychic powers, can't see it right now, but I'm 115 00:06:35,200 --> 00:06:39,359 Speaker 1: gesticulating this thing. I'm explaining it nonverbally as well to 116 00:06:39,560 --> 00:06:43,120 Speaker 1: our friends Knell and Matt here. So I would extend 117 00:06:43,160 --> 00:06:45,760 Speaker 1: this ear of corn out where the cow could see it. Now, 118 00:06:46,040 --> 00:06:48,200 Speaker 1: keep it far away, because I was a stupid kid, 119 00:06:48,200 --> 00:06:49,520 Speaker 1: and I wanted to see what they would do. And 120 00:06:49,560 --> 00:06:53,960 Speaker 1: that's how I discovered that cows have disturbingly long, almost 121 00:06:54,040 --> 00:06:58,400 Speaker 1: prehensile tongues, because the tongue comes out and then it wraps. 122 00:06:58,440 --> 00:07:00,800 Speaker 1: I see it like wrap around this ear of corn, 123 00:07:01,160 --> 00:07:03,039 Speaker 1: and I freak out and I dropped the thing and 124 00:07:03,080 --> 00:07:06,039 Speaker 1: I ran away, and I haven't been back since, you know, 125 00:07:06,200 --> 00:07:09,880 Speaker 1: that's how in the game Minecraft you are able to 126 00:07:10,040 --> 00:07:14,160 Speaker 1: ride animals, which consist of pigs and cows and horses. 127 00:07:14,200 --> 00:07:17,760 Speaker 1: I think, um, you have to fashion a fishing pole 128 00:07:18,240 --> 00:07:20,400 Speaker 1: and put a carrot on the end of it, and 129 00:07:20,400 --> 00:07:24,720 Speaker 1: then you mount the farm animal and you you fish. 130 00:07:24,920 --> 00:07:27,960 Speaker 1: I had no idea, It's true. I have never played 131 00:07:28,040 --> 00:07:31,440 Speaker 1: Minecraft's good like. I just have to say, I can 132 00:07:31,480 --> 00:07:34,960 Speaker 1: imagine that being terrifying. Uh, the a cow doesn't seem 133 00:07:35,080 --> 00:07:37,080 Speaker 1: like an animal that would have a tongue like that, 134 00:07:37,200 --> 00:07:40,520 Speaker 1: I guess in your mind, maybe especially as a kid. 135 00:07:41,000 --> 00:07:43,320 Speaker 1: I'm not like a you know, a cow, professor. It's 136 00:07:43,360 --> 00:07:45,920 Speaker 1: also real purple and spitty. I mean, it's it's a 137 00:07:45,960 --> 00:07:47,920 Speaker 1: it's a pretty intense thing. Looks like some sort of 138 00:07:47,960 --> 00:07:50,960 Speaker 1: like mutant slug from like a sci fi movie. But 139 00:07:50,960 --> 00:07:53,720 Speaker 1: but we do know that cattle are intelligent. That's one 140 00:07:53,720 --> 00:07:55,520 Speaker 1: thing is coming up in all three of our stories. 141 00:07:55,560 --> 00:07:59,240 Speaker 1: We do know that these animals have the ability to 142 00:08:00,040 --> 00:08:03,720 Speaker 1: have their own personalities, right to remember other members of 143 00:08:03,800 --> 00:08:06,920 Speaker 1: their of their pure group or if you want to 144 00:08:06,920 --> 00:08:10,720 Speaker 1: see their family structure, their their tribe. And we know 145 00:08:10,840 --> 00:08:13,320 Speaker 1: that there are a heck of a lot of them. 146 00:08:13,480 --> 00:08:17,400 Speaker 1: Do you know how many yeah, thanks for asking. As 147 00:08:17,400 --> 00:08:20,600 Speaker 1: of January one, two thousand fifteen, according to the National 148 00:08:20,600 --> 00:08:24,640 Speaker 1: Cattleman's Beef Association, there are eighty nine point eight million 149 00:08:24,800 --> 00:08:29,800 Speaker 1: cows in the US. That's actually up from January a 150 00:08:29,880 --> 00:08:34,920 Speaker 1: whole percent, a whole one percent. Uh. This this translates 151 00:08:35,000 --> 00:08:40,000 Speaker 1: to a forty four billion dollar industry. This also means 152 00:08:40,040 --> 00:08:42,600 Speaker 1: that you know, these cows are broken up. Some are 153 00:08:42,720 --> 00:08:47,000 Speaker 1: milk cows, most are beef cows. Right. And you can 154 00:08:47,240 --> 00:08:50,520 Speaker 1: clearly listeners tell because after all, it is what's for dinner. 155 00:08:50,760 --> 00:08:54,320 Speaker 1: It is his you mean, the beef, right, and nut milk, 156 00:08:54,640 --> 00:08:58,840 Speaker 1: the beef milk. It's what's for dinner. That's all. We have, bread, 157 00:08:58,920 --> 00:09:04,040 Speaker 1: milk stick. It grows. So with this huge industry, with 158 00:09:04,160 --> 00:09:08,600 Speaker 1: this livestock we are I don't want to enter into 159 00:09:08,640 --> 00:09:11,760 Speaker 1: too much of the argument over whether or not it's 160 00:09:11,880 --> 00:09:15,800 Speaker 1: right to eat animals. That's maybe a different show. But 161 00:09:15,920 --> 00:09:18,719 Speaker 1: we're just establishing that these things are everywhere. You, if 162 00:09:18,720 --> 00:09:21,439 Speaker 1: you live in the US, have probably at some time, 163 00:09:22,000 --> 00:09:25,480 Speaker 1: at the very least gone by a cow field like 164 00:09:25,600 --> 00:09:30,679 Speaker 1: cow pastor right. Uh. And the funny thing is that 165 00:09:30,840 --> 00:09:36,920 Speaker 1: every so often on these ranches in these pastors when 166 00:09:36,960 --> 00:09:40,199 Speaker 1: they call the cows home and all of them show up. 167 00:09:41,000 --> 00:09:43,640 Speaker 1: And that is what today's episode is about. For anyone 168 00:09:43,640 --> 00:09:47,360 Speaker 1: who just didn't read the title of the episode, it's 169 00:09:47,360 --> 00:09:51,360 Speaker 1: about the cattle to get maybe stranded or just one 170 00:09:51,440 --> 00:09:54,160 Speaker 1: straight a little too far away from the herd. And 171 00:09:54,160 --> 00:09:56,480 Speaker 1: then it's like Homeward Downd the movie, but with like 172 00:09:56,520 --> 00:09:59,360 Speaker 1: a cow, I would love that? Who would have trying 173 00:09:59,360 --> 00:10:02,880 Speaker 1: to find its a home? Who would it? Would be 174 00:10:02,920 --> 00:10:08,960 Speaker 1: a precocious pig and a perhaps a fox um, all 175 00:10:09,000 --> 00:10:13,480 Speaker 1: with celebrity voices. The only difference in the Homeward Bound 176 00:10:13,559 --> 00:10:15,640 Speaker 1: version of that, and then the one that we're going 177 00:10:15,679 --> 00:10:20,400 Speaker 1: to describe today is that it ends in invisceration, exanguination, 178 00:10:21,080 --> 00:10:25,120 Speaker 1: and uh, the death of the main character. Yes, so 179 00:10:25,200 --> 00:10:29,360 Speaker 1: what is cattle mutilation? Well, the typical definition of cattle 180 00:10:29,400 --> 00:10:36,560 Speaker 1: mutilation is the killing um and disfigurement, disembowelment, evisceration, shall 181 00:10:36,600 --> 00:10:41,160 Speaker 1: we say, of cattle under anomalous or you know, unusual 182 00:10:41,240 --> 00:10:45,200 Speaker 1: kind of suspect circumstances, Well, they often appeared to be 183 00:10:45,280 --> 00:10:49,560 Speaker 1: partially skinned, or they have incisions that appear to have 184 00:10:49,640 --> 00:10:54,520 Speaker 1: been done with surgical precision, which is pretty unusual. And 185 00:10:54,720 --> 00:10:58,520 Speaker 1: often these animals are reported to have been exanguinated or 186 00:10:58,760 --> 00:11:04,920 Speaker 1: drained entire hirely of blood. Um, they're soft parts, the eyes, 187 00:11:05,080 --> 00:11:07,920 Speaker 1: their organs, all the good guscy stuff. Yeah, the hind 188 00:11:07,960 --> 00:11:12,640 Speaker 1: cores are missing. Yeah, they're sexual organs as well. Yeah, 189 00:11:12,960 --> 00:11:16,680 Speaker 1: it's a pretty gruesome thing to have happened to anything 190 00:11:17,080 --> 00:11:22,200 Speaker 1: any living being. Um, it's it's crazy too. It's not 191 00:11:22,240 --> 00:11:24,199 Speaker 1: just we've been talking about cows this whole time. It's 192 00:11:24,240 --> 00:11:27,400 Speaker 1: not just that cattle. Other livestock have experienced this kind 193 00:11:27,440 --> 00:11:29,520 Speaker 1: of thing. You'll you'll see it in I know, sheep 194 00:11:29,559 --> 00:11:32,440 Speaker 1: and goats have been it's been reported in those two, 195 00:11:32,520 --> 00:11:37,400 Speaker 1: in particular, horses as well. Yeah, we we've also there's 196 00:11:37,520 --> 00:11:42,319 Speaker 1: one case that we might get to today in which 197 00:11:42,400 --> 00:11:46,200 Speaker 1: is an excellent example of this. But but here's the deal. 198 00:11:46,240 --> 00:11:49,880 Speaker 1: You've probably heard of cattle mutilations, right, listeners, I mean, 199 00:11:49,920 --> 00:11:53,559 Speaker 1: the X files is back on, people are people are 200 00:11:53,720 --> 00:11:56,800 Speaker 1: more likely now to check it out than they were previously. 201 00:11:57,559 --> 00:12:01,160 Speaker 1: And we've often heard what what are the initial reports 202 00:12:01,200 --> 00:12:03,720 Speaker 1: We've always heard, right, We've always heard like, oh, it's 203 00:12:03,920 --> 00:12:07,160 Speaker 1: uh aliens. No no, no, my friend, that's a coyote. 204 00:12:07,600 --> 00:12:11,280 Speaker 1: No no, no, no, no, no no, it was somebody else yeah, 205 00:12:11,280 --> 00:12:14,560 Speaker 1: that was a human. Yeah. I mean, I think something 206 00:12:14,600 --> 00:12:19,400 Speaker 1: that distinguishes these cases from just a typical um animal 207 00:12:19,679 --> 00:12:22,960 Speaker 1: malling or an animal attack is the nature of some 208 00:12:23,040 --> 00:12:25,440 Speaker 1: of the wounds. I mean, I think, you know, a 209 00:12:25,520 --> 00:12:30,240 Speaker 1: typical cattle rancher farmer is experienced with wild animals and 210 00:12:30,320 --> 00:12:33,200 Speaker 1: probably be aware of what it would look like if, say, 211 00:12:33,200 --> 00:12:36,600 Speaker 1: a coyote had attacked one of their animals, right, Yeah, 212 00:12:36,640 --> 00:12:40,560 Speaker 1: and that that's a good point because ranchers see a 213 00:12:40,600 --> 00:12:45,480 Speaker 1: lot of stuff and uh vets who work on on 214 00:12:45,720 --> 00:12:48,880 Speaker 1: animals with animals also see a lot of stuff. And 215 00:12:49,440 --> 00:12:51,440 Speaker 1: that's one of the big arguments will be getting to. 216 00:12:51,600 --> 00:12:56,160 Speaker 1: So the various biologists and experts and law enforcement officers 217 00:12:56,160 --> 00:12:59,520 Speaker 1: and ranchers investigating this over time have a number of 218 00:12:59,559 --> 00:13:05,040 Speaker 1: like oculative causes, right and um, they're pretty much exactly 219 00:13:05,080 --> 00:13:09,760 Speaker 1: what you're naming natural predation, scavenging, human intervention like loan 220 00:13:10,280 --> 00:13:13,719 Speaker 1: killers a k A. Board teenagers you're write a k A. 221 00:13:14,040 --> 00:13:17,960 Speaker 1: Future Dahmers, you know, or what was that got ed 222 00:13:18,280 --> 00:13:22,840 Speaker 1: geen gang? Yeah, the real life inspiration for the Texas 223 00:13:22,880 --> 00:13:27,040 Speaker 1: chainsaw massacre. Very disturbing stuff. Would love to do a 224 00:13:27,080 --> 00:13:29,480 Speaker 1: show about that. And then there are the ideas of 225 00:13:29,559 --> 00:13:35,520 Speaker 1: maybe humans, but not just some loan unhappy kid. Uh 226 00:13:35,840 --> 00:13:37,920 Speaker 1: who you know what. On a side note, you would 227 00:13:37,920 --> 00:13:43,040 Speaker 1: have to be a very very very strong, loan unhappy 228 00:13:43,120 --> 00:13:45,679 Speaker 1: kid to take that. To do your homework, man, I mean, 229 00:13:45,720 --> 00:13:48,440 Speaker 1: you can't just go in half cocked and just you know, 230 00:13:48,520 --> 00:13:50,800 Speaker 1: knock out a cow and then go to town on 231 00:13:50,840 --> 00:13:53,480 Speaker 1: in soft parts. I mean you really have to come 232 00:13:53,520 --> 00:13:55,640 Speaker 1: with a taser or some kind of like a mall 233 00:13:56,000 --> 00:13:59,400 Speaker 1: one of those air guns. You'd probably be the best movie, 234 00:13:59,559 --> 00:14:01,920 Speaker 1: like one of the air guns they that the guy 235 00:14:02,120 --> 00:14:06,760 Speaker 1: used in um No Country for Old Men. Yeah. Well, 236 00:14:06,880 --> 00:14:08,600 Speaker 1: as as we're going to find a little later that 237 00:14:08,760 --> 00:14:12,760 Speaker 1: the the idea of any medicinal smell around one of 238 00:14:12,760 --> 00:14:15,800 Speaker 1: these animals that's experienced this, or some kind of the 239 00:14:15,920 --> 00:14:18,959 Speaker 1: surgical cuts. Perhaps even I don't know, man, there might 240 00:14:19,000 --> 00:14:21,880 Speaker 1: be people working together on this. It might not be 241 00:14:21,960 --> 00:14:24,600 Speaker 1: a lone person, right. What if it's a cult. What 242 00:14:24,720 --> 00:14:28,200 Speaker 1: if it is some sort of government agency or affiliated 243 00:14:28,280 --> 00:14:32,200 Speaker 1: thing operating in secret exciting stuff And we'll get to 244 00:14:32,280 --> 00:14:34,440 Speaker 1: it at this time. We have to say though, that 245 00:14:35,120 --> 00:14:38,000 Speaker 1: the mainstream news and most of the stuff you're going 246 00:14:38,040 --> 00:14:40,800 Speaker 1: to read or encounter when you look this up is 247 00:14:40,840 --> 00:14:44,240 Speaker 1: going to argue that this is the result of what 248 00:14:44,280 --> 00:14:46,520 Speaker 1: do we in the video? We had a good line, um, 249 00:14:46,640 --> 00:14:53,320 Speaker 1: Mankind's original and most brutal enemy nature, Right, Yeah, the 250 00:14:52,600 --> 00:14:58,000 Speaker 1: the the first antagonist for this species. But let's look 251 00:14:58,040 --> 00:15:01,280 Speaker 1: at the timeline because although we might associate in here 252 00:15:01,320 --> 00:15:05,200 Speaker 1: in the US cattle mutilation with something from the seventies 253 00:15:05,280 --> 00:15:15,240 Speaker 1: or whatever, the story of mutilating animals dates back, way, way, way, 254 00:15:15,280 --> 00:15:18,000 Speaker 1: way further. Can you hear me going back? Yeah? You 255 00:15:18,040 --> 00:15:23,360 Speaker 1: went so far back there. And the reason it goes 256 00:15:23,400 --> 00:15:26,760 Speaker 1: back so far is because it isn't necessarily the slaughtering 257 00:15:26,760 --> 00:15:32,360 Speaker 1: of an animal like this wasn't necessarily historically always for food, right, 258 00:15:32,400 --> 00:15:36,480 Speaker 1: there was another reason. Sometimes you would slaughter an animal 259 00:15:36,920 --> 00:15:41,080 Speaker 1: in a ritualistic manner to appease perhaps a god or 260 00:15:41,120 --> 00:15:43,760 Speaker 1: God's Did you guys ever watch the HBO series Rome. 261 00:15:44,560 --> 00:15:47,160 Speaker 1: I have not. It's actually pretty good. Um. There's a 262 00:15:47,240 --> 00:15:50,400 Speaker 1: scene though, where one of the main female characters, who 263 00:15:50,720 --> 00:15:54,560 Speaker 1: is very wealthy head of a family, UM, is trying 264 00:15:54,600 --> 00:15:58,320 Speaker 1: to curry favor from the gods. I believe to have 265 00:15:58,480 --> 00:16:01,920 Speaker 1: her son, the life of her son spared UM in battle, 266 00:16:02,360 --> 00:16:06,800 Speaker 1: and she goes into this temple where a priest conducts 267 00:16:06,800 --> 00:16:11,240 Speaker 1: this ritual wherein a bull is walked out onto a 268 00:16:11,320 --> 00:16:16,120 Speaker 1: metal grate and um basically slaughtered and gutted, and the 269 00:16:16,200 --> 00:16:20,680 Speaker 1: blood pours down through the grates onto the character and 270 00:16:20,760 --> 00:16:23,440 Speaker 1: she has drenched in it and then walks up the 271 00:16:23,440 --> 00:16:26,800 Speaker 1: priest and says, your son will be spad. That's hot, 272 00:16:29,080 --> 00:16:32,000 Speaker 1: but blood fresh blood is pretty hot. I guess yes, 273 00:16:32,080 --> 00:16:35,040 Speaker 1: and several levels. So we're we're both agree. And it's 274 00:16:35,080 --> 00:16:38,160 Speaker 1: fascinating that you say that, because this this is exactly 275 00:16:38,200 --> 00:16:40,800 Speaker 1: what we're talking about when we're talking about sacrifice right 276 00:16:41,080 --> 00:16:44,400 Speaker 1: um to gain fertility, right for the gods to look 277 00:16:44,440 --> 00:16:48,320 Speaker 1: favorably upon your next endeavor in war, or you want 278 00:16:48,320 --> 00:16:52,560 Speaker 1: to save your son right. And we know that this 279 00:16:52,640 --> 00:16:56,600 Speaker 1: exists across multiple religions, multiple places. As Matt said earlier, 280 00:16:57,240 --> 00:17:01,920 Speaker 1: we have some specific examples. One is practice that was 281 00:17:01,960 --> 00:17:08,800 Speaker 1: called October horse or equas October an ancient Roman religions. 282 00:17:09,119 --> 00:17:11,440 Speaker 1: What what would happen is there would be these three 283 00:17:12,200 --> 00:17:15,960 Speaker 1: uh days of like racing, chariot racing, and during one 284 00:17:16,000 --> 00:17:19,240 Speaker 1: of these races, which always occurred on the IDEs of 285 00:17:19,240 --> 00:17:24,400 Speaker 1: October October UH, the winners of the two horse chariot race, 286 00:17:24,440 --> 00:17:30,560 Speaker 1: which sacrifice their right hand horse, and this was propitiation 287 00:17:30,800 --> 00:17:35,760 Speaker 1: to believe the god. Mars strange, but that's not the 288 00:17:35,800 --> 00:17:38,760 Speaker 1: only thing. And this is why, no, your example of 289 00:17:38,800 --> 00:17:41,959 Speaker 1: the show room is so good because it's based on 290 00:17:42,080 --> 00:17:45,440 Speaker 1: some real life stuff that happened in Rome. Right. Our 291 00:17:45,480 --> 00:17:48,480 Speaker 1: next example is that in the age of the Roman Empire, 292 00:17:48,560 --> 00:17:55,400 Speaker 1: worshipers also sacrificed bulls, stub balls, stubb bulls. And they 293 00:17:55,440 --> 00:17:58,359 Speaker 1: did this so often that we even have a word 294 00:17:58,440 --> 00:18:00,920 Speaker 1: for it, and it is our word of the day, 295 00:18:01,359 --> 00:18:03,119 Speaker 1: or I guess word of the week since it is 296 00:18:03,119 --> 00:18:12,360 Speaker 1: a weekly podcast. Taro boleum more like whoa yeah, yeah, 297 00:18:12,359 --> 00:18:15,520 Speaker 1: because every time say you gotta go crazy, but that 298 00:18:15,640 --> 00:18:19,480 Speaker 1: was the bullgoing crazy and then getta. That's strange to 299 00:18:19,560 --> 00:18:21,960 Speaker 1: me that that's a lot of street cred when something 300 00:18:22,160 --> 00:18:26,000 Speaker 1: happened so often that there is a specific word for it. Well, 301 00:18:26,040 --> 00:18:29,680 Speaker 1: maybe listeners throughout this podcast, uh, you know, you can 302 00:18:29,720 --> 00:18:38,439 Speaker 1: play along at home and when we say tarot bolium cool. 303 00:18:38,920 --> 00:18:43,640 Speaker 1: That was great. And also this sacrificial right, it kind 304 00:18:43,680 --> 00:18:46,359 Speaker 1: of carried on in several other religions. In Judaism, you 305 00:18:46,400 --> 00:18:49,480 Speaker 1: had the corbon, which was a whole set of sacrificial 306 00:18:49,560 --> 00:18:53,280 Speaker 1: offerings Uh, that are they're they're also in I believe 307 00:18:53,320 --> 00:18:57,800 Speaker 1: in Christianity and Islam, there are different there are different offerings. 308 00:18:57,800 --> 00:19:00,520 Speaker 1: Some of them are sacrificial in chu or some of 309 00:19:00,560 --> 00:19:05,000 Speaker 1: them are symbolically sacrificial in nature. Um. You know, if 310 00:19:05,000 --> 00:19:07,640 Speaker 1: you go back to the Little Testament, specifically in Christianity, 311 00:19:08,080 --> 00:19:10,400 Speaker 1: you can find some sacrifice and going on. And there 312 00:19:10,440 --> 00:19:13,040 Speaker 1: was a lot of specifics to like. I mean, you 313 00:19:13,040 --> 00:19:16,200 Speaker 1: would sacrifice the lamb for a certain type of favor, 314 00:19:16,280 --> 00:19:19,600 Speaker 1: and you know, a goat perhaps for another. It's interesting 315 00:19:19,640 --> 00:19:23,879 Speaker 1: the language of sacrifice. I like the title of that. 316 00:19:23,880 --> 00:19:26,119 Speaker 1: That that could be the title of something, the Language 317 00:19:26,160 --> 00:19:29,159 Speaker 1: of Sacrifice, not as a book, but what an album 318 00:19:29,240 --> 00:19:32,680 Speaker 1: that would be. Uh. And I wonder if in case 319 00:19:32,680 --> 00:19:37,400 Speaker 1: you're listening to the show Radiohead, you're welcome. Uh. So 320 00:19:37,800 --> 00:19:41,000 Speaker 1: the this is a great point that you're making old 321 00:19:41,040 --> 00:19:44,800 Speaker 1: because anytime this had a religious angle to it, it 322 00:19:44,960 --> 00:19:47,280 Speaker 1: wasn't just that I'm killing the right animal, well, it 323 00:19:47,359 --> 00:19:49,960 Speaker 1: was super super important. It was also what day, what 324 00:19:50,119 --> 00:19:53,119 Speaker 1: time am I killing this animal? How right am I 325 00:19:53,160 --> 00:19:56,560 Speaker 1: saying the right words? Are we wearing the correct vestments? 326 00:19:56,920 --> 00:20:01,680 Speaker 1: Highly ritualized? Highly ritualized? And this is important. The reason 327 00:20:01,760 --> 00:20:04,120 Speaker 1: we're talking about this today is because as we look 328 00:20:04,160 --> 00:20:07,800 Speaker 1: at modern cattle mutilation, this is one way in which 329 00:20:07,840 --> 00:20:12,720 Speaker 1: we could differentiate between the random acts of a predator 330 00:20:13,280 --> 00:20:20,520 Speaker 1: and the purposeful, stylized even um machinations of a human 331 00:20:20,600 --> 00:20:23,280 Speaker 1: being or a group of or a group of human 332 00:20:23,320 --> 00:20:29,320 Speaker 1: beings or a group of extraterrestrial spoiler alert. So early 333 00:20:29,400 --> 00:20:33,239 Speaker 1: reports just go through this this part pretty quickly. Earlier reports. Uh. 334 00:20:33,480 --> 00:20:35,639 Speaker 1: If you like our show, you may also be a 335 00:20:35,680 --> 00:20:40,639 Speaker 1: fan of a magazine called The fourteen Times forty Times, 336 00:20:40,680 --> 00:20:43,600 Speaker 1: which is magazine reporting on fringe theories and the paranormal 337 00:20:44,040 --> 00:20:47,600 Speaker 1: is named after a guy named Charles Fort who was 338 00:20:47,720 --> 00:20:52,399 Speaker 1: an early paranormal researcher, and he actually conducted a little 339 00:20:52,400 --> 00:20:58,119 Speaker 1: bit of cursory research into mutilations of livestock in the US, 340 00:20:58,480 --> 00:21:01,320 Speaker 1: which is how we know that these kind of reports 341 00:21:01,400 --> 00:21:04,440 Speaker 1: date back as far back as the late nineteenth century. 342 00:21:04,560 --> 00:21:07,040 Speaker 1: And that's fascinating to to have it go back that far. 343 00:21:07,320 --> 00:21:11,520 Speaker 1: I didn't know much about Charles Fort in the forteen Times. Unfortunately, 344 00:21:11,760 --> 00:21:16,200 Speaker 1: I have seen it. Unfortunately, yes, but I've I've seen 345 00:21:16,240 --> 00:21:18,600 Speaker 1: it all over the place, and it mentioned specifically the 346 00:21:18,640 --> 00:21:21,560 Speaker 1: forum the fourteen Times, where people will discuss the topics 347 00:21:21,600 --> 00:21:24,120 Speaker 1: that we are generally looking up. But I had no 348 00:21:24,600 --> 00:21:28,320 Speaker 1: real understanding of the back story, but we did in 349 00:21:28,320 --> 00:21:30,600 Speaker 1: in making this video for this week, I found some 350 00:21:30,640 --> 00:21:34,960 Speaker 1: old books, and one in particular that that is referenced 351 00:21:34,960 --> 00:21:41,480 Speaker 1: here is called low l O exclamation mark, Yes, precisely, 352 00:21:41,520 --> 00:21:44,800 Speaker 1: and it has several several different topics that it goes through. 353 00:21:44,880 --> 00:21:47,440 Speaker 1: And one of the coolest things the chapters are full 354 00:21:47,520 --> 00:21:51,280 Speaker 1: on sentences, which is kind of neat. I appreciated that 355 00:21:51,320 --> 00:21:56,399 Speaker 1: a lot. And we we know that despite these reports, 356 00:21:56,440 --> 00:21:59,919 Speaker 1: this was not an issue of national concern for wild 357 00:22:00,119 --> 00:22:02,879 Speaker 1: that this would be instead a lurid story that's in 358 00:22:02,920 --> 00:22:06,919 Speaker 1: a on the below the fold in your newspapers, that 359 00:22:07,040 --> 00:22:12,000 Speaker 1: is until in nineteen sixty seven. So in nineteen sixty 360 00:22:12,040 --> 00:22:17,480 Speaker 1: seven this phenomenon reached the mainstream when um a lady 361 00:22:17,480 --> 00:22:20,640 Speaker 1: by the name of Agnes King and her son Harry 362 00:22:20,880 --> 00:22:27,679 Speaker 1: found that their mayor lady had been gruesomely murdered, mutilated, 363 00:22:27,760 --> 00:22:32,119 Speaker 1: partially skinned uh de fleshed shall we say, around the 364 00:22:32,200 --> 00:22:37,159 Speaker 1: neck and head, and lady had also been exanguinated drained 365 00:22:37,440 --> 00:22:40,399 Speaker 1: of all of her blood, the classic version of a 366 00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:45,440 Speaker 1: cattle mutilation. In nineteen sixty seven. Yeah, it's too bad. Uh. 367 00:22:45,600 --> 00:22:48,480 Speaker 1: And it occurred just for everyone's curious, it occurred in 368 00:22:48,520 --> 00:22:52,199 Speaker 1: September of sixty seven. So this is not doesn't have 369 00:22:52,200 --> 00:22:54,480 Speaker 1: a one on one connection with the old practice of 370 00:22:54,520 --> 00:22:58,040 Speaker 1: the october horse. But that's a question that you probably 371 00:22:58,040 --> 00:23:03,040 Speaker 1: had as well. This garnered this attention. It was reported 372 00:23:03,119 --> 00:23:07,159 Speaker 1: in the Pueblo Chieftain. It was in Colorado, and after 373 00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:10,119 Speaker 1: this reported, this is where Agnes's son, Harry, is the 374 00:23:10,119 --> 00:23:12,720 Speaker 1: one who reported that strong medicinal odor, which will come 375 00:23:12,760 --> 00:23:17,200 Speaker 1: into play later. Concerns over these so called mysterious mutilations 376 00:23:17,240 --> 00:23:22,240 Speaker 1: of livestock went on as the years grew, and eventually 377 00:23:23,680 --> 00:23:27,840 Speaker 1: it reached the ears of representatives of the government. So 378 00:23:27,880 --> 00:23:31,520 Speaker 1: in nineteen five, a guy UH named Floyd K. Haskell, 379 00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:35,480 Speaker 1: Colorado Senator, reaches out to the FBI for help. He said, 380 00:23:35,560 --> 00:23:38,359 Speaker 1: there have been reports of mutilations in nine states, and 381 00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:41,040 Speaker 1: as far as he could tell, there were a hundred 382 00:23:41,040 --> 00:23:45,160 Speaker 1: and thirty cases of livestock mutilation in Colorado. Now, this 383 00:23:45,240 --> 00:23:47,240 Speaker 1: is something our timeline gets a litt fuzzy here because 384 00:23:47,240 --> 00:23:52,520 Speaker 1: I'm not sure how aware UH Senator has Skeol was 385 00:23:52,560 --> 00:23:54,600 Speaker 1: at the time that the a t F the Bureau 386 00:23:54,600 --> 00:23:58,280 Speaker 1: of Alcohol, Tobacquo and Firearms had conducted a study to 387 00:23:58,359 --> 00:24:03,400 Speaker 1: see if there was any truth of rasty to cult involvement. 388 00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:05,920 Speaker 1: And keep in mind, this is during a time when 389 00:24:05,920 --> 00:24:09,680 Speaker 1: there was a burgeoning panic over possible Satanic colds in 390 00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:13,720 Speaker 1: the US, right, the Satanic panic, the Satanic panic, precisely, No, 391 00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:17,600 Speaker 1: and this this a t F thing found that there 392 00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:20,159 Speaker 1: there really wasn't enough evidence to draw some kind of 393 00:24:20,200 --> 00:24:23,120 Speaker 1: link like that. They just needed to know, and state 394 00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:29,440 Speaker 1: level investigations differed, but also had also had a lot 395 00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:35,200 Speaker 1: of a lot of disturbing numbers. Right. So for instance, 396 00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:37,920 Speaker 1: we get a lot of information from the New Mexico 397 00:24:38,119 --> 00:24:44,399 Speaker 1: State Police's investigation, wherein they found that there might be 398 00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:48,480 Speaker 1: as many as eight thousand and estimated eight thousand cattle 399 00:24:48,560 --> 00:24:52,400 Speaker 1: mutilations in Colorado. And they know for sure because again 400 00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:56,560 Speaker 1: this New Mexico State Police. But in nineteen seventy nine, 401 00:24:56,800 --> 00:25:00,320 Speaker 1: the FBI compiles a lot of this stuff and based 402 00:25:00,359 --> 00:25:07,000 Speaker 1: on Haskell's recommendation, launches a project called Operation Animal Mutilation. Yeah, 403 00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:09,480 Speaker 1: and they filed a report that was a full on 404 00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:13,600 Speaker 1: two and nineties seven pages long, and there are little 405 00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:16,359 Speaker 1: excerpts of it that you can find online through the 406 00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:20,640 Speaker 1: Freedom of Information Act. Fascinating stuff. It's just a lot 407 00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:24,680 Speaker 1: of it are just reports from a rancher or someone 408 00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:26,760 Speaker 1: who owns cattle. Why can't you get the whole thing? 409 00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:29,919 Speaker 1: I think? Is it redacted? I have not seen the 410 00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:33,439 Speaker 1: entire report in itself, but I have seen excerpts. You 411 00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:35,919 Speaker 1: can view a lot of it online at the FBI's 412 00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:40,720 Speaker 1: vault website, which is super useful but also super irritating 413 00:25:41,119 --> 00:25:45,399 Speaker 1: because they've just taken scans that in many cases are 414 00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:48,600 Speaker 1: not very well done and just take a scan and 415 00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:51,679 Speaker 1: posted Yeah, and you can't search them my keyword. But 416 00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:54,080 Speaker 1: I you know, they're in a pickle of some sort 417 00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:57,560 Speaker 1: because if they were just to type out or transcribe 418 00:25:57,600 --> 00:26:01,800 Speaker 1: all of that necessary searchable format, then I don't know 419 00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:04,720 Speaker 1: about you guys. My first question would be, what did 420 00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:09,920 Speaker 1: you leave out there basically meeting the minimum compliance level 421 00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:12,280 Speaker 1: of compliance? Yeah, it's tax dollars. You have to pay 422 00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:14,919 Speaker 1: some in turn or some person like us to go 423 00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:20,480 Speaker 1: through and actually write out the entire document. So where 424 00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:22,879 Speaker 1: does this leave us? The guy who was in charge 425 00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:26,760 Speaker 1: of this is fellow him Kenneth Rommel, and he concluded, 426 00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:31,119 Speaker 1: let me make sure praise this correctly, gentleman. He concluded 427 00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:34,880 Speaker 1: that the vast majority, pretty much all of these mutilations 428 00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:40,160 Speaker 1: came from natural sources, predators, and then later scavengers. There 429 00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:43,000 Speaker 1: it's sort of the short round to the indie in 430 00:26:43,119 --> 00:26:46,520 Speaker 1: terms of predators. Yeah, and I guess we're gonna get 431 00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:49,240 Speaker 1: into that a little later. Just that concept of when 432 00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:52,760 Speaker 1: a what happens to a body when a predator attacks it. 433 00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:56,320 Speaker 1: We're going to tackle that later, right, yes, Okay, well 434 00:26:56,320 --> 00:26:58,280 Speaker 1: we'll hit we'll hit on that in a minute. Okay, 435 00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:00,920 Speaker 1: So one other thing, just want to mention this is 436 00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:04,320 Speaker 1: a little bit gruesome, and I was on the fence 437 00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:09,720 Speaker 1: about including it. Uh in n There was a mutilation 438 00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:12,560 Speaker 1: case that was a little bit different. This stuff continues today. 439 00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:18,080 Speaker 1: There was a mutilation case is very similar to cal mutilation. 440 00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:24,159 Speaker 1: However it involved a human being. This is a disturbing case. 441 00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:27,320 Speaker 1: We're going to let you know where you can learn more, 442 00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:29,200 Speaker 1: but we're not going to spend too much time on it. 443 00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:32,960 Speaker 1: What they found is that there were various signs of 444 00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:38,840 Speaker 1: this uh of this body discovered that had that that 445 00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:44,520 Speaker 1: were indicative of the same kind of mutilation conducted on cattle. 446 00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:47,040 Speaker 1: So cut at the base of the ear signs of 447 00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:53,920 Speaker 1: brain removal, UH, both eyes plucked out, UH, cuts under 448 00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:59,879 Speaker 1: the skin, removal of uh, sexual organs, uh incisions into 449 00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:06,040 Speaker 1: body to take various extremities or oregan samples and Matt 450 00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:09,040 Speaker 1: you have you have a place to point people. Yeah, 451 00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:11,800 Speaker 1: there's a gentleman that you may already know named Richard D. 452 00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:15,560 Speaker 1: Hall who has covered the specific case before pretty extensively, 453 00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:19,480 Speaker 1: made a documentary length fell like a full length documentary 454 00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:23,880 Speaker 1: about this case and some of the surrounding things that 455 00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:25,960 Speaker 1: I guess I'll run on the fringes of it and 456 00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:28,679 Speaker 1: you can find that online. How I would go to 457 00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:33,000 Speaker 1: the YouTube channel rich rich r a c H Planet UK. 458 00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:35,639 Speaker 1: That's where I found a couple of clips and the 459 00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:38,280 Speaker 1: full length documentary is available. He's got a website you 460 00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:40,800 Speaker 1: can go to and check that out. Also. Uh, I 461 00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:43,520 Speaker 1: can't believe I forgot to mention this body was found 462 00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:47,800 Speaker 1: on a small island in the Guara Puranga Reservoir, which 463 00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:51,520 Speaker 1: is in the southern, uh southern part of Sal Paulo, Brazil. 464 00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:56,760 Speaker 1: So makes you wonder and it leads us to it 465 00:28:56,840 --> 00:28:59,760 Speaker 1: leads us to the big thing, the question of the week, right, 466 00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:04,880 Speaker 1: the causes. So I'll start. I'll start with the easy one. 467 00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:10,960 Speaker 1: Nature predators, right, coyote primarily, wolves, bears, et cetera. Yet 468 00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:14,320 Speaker 1: here's the thing. According to the Department of Agriculture, at 469 00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:18,880 Speaker 1: least here in the US, only about point to three 470 00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:22,920 Speaker 1: percent of cattle loss can be attributed to predation. That 471 00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:29,080 Speaker 1: means that zero point to three zero less than one 472 00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:33,440 Speaker 1: quarter of one percent. And we're saying is that this 473 00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:38,520 Speaker 1: is kind of an infrequent, an infrequent thing already. So 474 00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:42,400 Speaker 1: the mundane cause is already infrequent. The inexplicable stuff is 475 00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:45,600 Speaker 1: a smaller part of an even of a very small subset, 476 00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:48,960 Speaker 1: especially when you consider we're looking at ninety million cattle. Yeah, 477 00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:51,680 Speaker 1: and especially if most of those cattle are in very 478 00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:55,400 Speaker 1: controlled areas right there there are grouped together in large 479 00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:58,840 Speaker 1: numbers many times. And there is that this the truth 480 00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:01,080 Speaker 1: to safety and numbers. When you have a large animal 481 00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:04,520 Speaker 1: like a cow. And then let's see though, let's that's 482 00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:08,640 Speaker 1: that's a great point. Let's say cow does get taken down, 483 00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:12,040 Speaker 1: wolf bear, mountain lion, I don't know. Let's just have 484 00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:14,560 Speaker 1: a predator for the sake of argument. You got one, 485 00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:20,560 Speaker 1: awesol lot. Okay, Let's say for some reason, a particularly 486 00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:24,760 Speaker 1: vicious awfol Lotu manages to bring down the cow and 487 00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:27,640 Speaker 1: it's just a it's a rage kill, lost kills it 488 00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:31,240 Speaker 1: eats a little bit and then leaves to reek further 489 00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:35,800 Speaker 1: awesol lot related havoc. Then the next step, however, are 490 00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:40,040 Speaker 1: the scavengers. You know, the bizzards, the rats, the insects, 491 00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:42,520 Speaker 1: the coyote. You show up late to the party, And 492 00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:47,120 Speaker 1: it's interesting how these these different scavengers will not just 493 00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:50,120 Speaker 1: work alone, right, and you're not just gonna have buzzards 494 00:30:50,120 --> 00:30:52,880 Speaker 1: attacking something. You may they might finish the whole job, 495 00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:55,400 Speaker 1: but there's probably gonna be some meat left. Then get 496 00:30:55,400 --> 00:31:00,000 Speaker 1: the rats, who yeeah exactly. And then well it's interesting 497 00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:03,520 Speaker 1: too because some of the ranchers that have been interviewed 498 00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:08,720 Speaker 1: about cattle mutilation, some of them maintained that the weirdest 499 00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:12,800 Speaker 1: thing is that scavengers won't touch the bodies, which is 500 00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:17,280 Speaker 1: an interesting proposition and not everybody says that, but it 501 00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:22,560 Speaker 1: leads us to some of the weirder alleged causes. And 502 00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:24,600 Speaker 1: the last thing that I just have to bring up 503 00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:28,320 Speaker 1: here are the bacteria, the micro organisms that go to 504 00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:31,560 Speaker 1: town after an animal has died like that, especially when 505 00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:35,000 Speaker 1: you've got, you know, the bowels of an animal that 506 00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:39,760 Speaker 1: kind of begin eating itself from the inside out. It occurs, 507 00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:44,200 Speaker 1: like sadly, very quickly after the point of death, the 508 00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:47,960 Speaker 1: body begins to deteriorate interiorly. Um. And that's one of 509 00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:50,480 Speaker 1: the reasons that you see, you know, when people talk 510 00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:54,640 Speaker 1: about how the sex organs and the butt was, it 511 00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:57,520 Speaker 1: was all just completely gone and eaten out in the 512 00:31:57,560 --> 00:32:00,480 Speaker 1: face and the mouth where all the bacteria grows. It's 513 00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:03,400 Speaker 1: just an interesting thing to point out it does occur naturally. 514 00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:05,960 Speaker 1: I see what you're saying. Yeah, that's a valuable point 515 00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:09,400 Speaker 1: to make. The Let's go straight to the weird stuff, 516 00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:16,280 Speaker 1: all right, Aliens extraterrestrials et flying across the passable chasm 517 00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:19,440 Speaker 1: of time and space to this tiny little mode of 518 00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:24,160 Speaker 1: dust that's just flying around two uh. I guess for 519 00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:30,040 Speaker 1: the sake of science, evis rates some animals. I mean, yeah, 520 00:32:30,280 --> 00:32:32,440 Speaker 1: you gotta find out what's going on down here. It's 521 00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:34,680 Speaker 1: it isn't It would be incredible to find life on 522 00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:37,480 Speaker 1: a planet. If you're just flying around the cosmos looking 523 00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:39,560 Speaker 1: for life and all of a sudden, oh my gosh, 524 00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:42,320 Speaker 1: there is one that's a you know what That's a 525 00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:45,560 Speaker 1: really good point because it makes me think that of 526 00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:50,080 Speaker 1: what we as humans would do. We're traveling to another 527 00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:54,800 Speaker 1: planet and we encounter another life form, probably not on purpose, 528 00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:58,360 Speaker 1: but definitely it's in the cards that we would just 529 00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:03,840 Speaker 1: killed it out of it. Remember that episode of The 530 00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:09,880 Speaker 1: Twilight Zone where there are these like benevolent alien overlords 531 00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:13,520 Speaker 1: that come to Earth and they're taking groups of humans 532 00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:17,320 Speaker 1: up to their home planet little by little, and there's 533 00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:20,520 Speaker 1: the one guy who's like against it, and he thinks, 534 00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:23,800 Speaker 1: you know, something fishy is going on. And it turns 535 00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:27,320 Speaker 1: out that they're actually sending humans to their home planet 536 00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:30,880 Speaker 1: so that they can harvest them or like you know, 537 00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:34,480 Speaker 1: what's the word, uh, you know, like cattle. Basically, like 538 00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:38,760 Speaker 1: they used them as a fat source. That blew my 539 00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:42,120 Speaker 1: mind because there's a good twist. No, look, we had 540 00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:46,720 Speaker 1: a we had a letter before where somebody, um, somebody 541 00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:48,560 Speaker 1: freaked out a little bit because they thought we were 542 00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:51,840 Speaker 1: giving them spoilers for a show. So before I say 543 00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:55,960 Speaker 1: anything else, if you somehow think that it would be 544 00:33:56,000 --> 00:34:00,360 Speaker 1: wrong to discuss an episode of The Twilight Zone from 545 00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:06,160 Speaker 1: back before television was in color, then please pause for 546 00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:09,359 Speaker 1: the next two minutes while we talked about something that 547 00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:12,799 Speaker 1: I assure you everyone else already already spoiled it, though. Well, 548 00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:15,839 Speaker 1: the great thing is that that particular episode has been 549 00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:19,959 Speaker 1: kind of echoed throughout the popular kidding like Twilight Zone, 550 00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:25,600 Speaker 1: invented like almost every like Shamanian twist. You know, there's 551 00:34:25,680 --> 00:34:27,799 Speaker 1: so many, there's so many great The reason I bring 552 00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:31,120 Speaker 1: that up, though, is if there were aliens involved, or 553 00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:34,160 Speaker 1: some sort of extraterrestrial and you know, it's easy to 554 00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:36,760 Speaker 1: be flippant and say, oh, well, if there are these 555 00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:43,080 Speaker 1: highly evolved, technologically advanced extraterrestrials, why would they bother flying 556 00:34:43,520 --> 00:34:47,480 Speaker 1: you know, millions of miles to Earth just to you know, 557 00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:52,960 Speaker 1: cut up some cows. You know what, if they're fascinated 558 00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:56,799 Speaker 1: by the fact that we have these animals that we 559 00:34:56,920 --> 00:34:59,680 Speaker 1: use for no other reason than to keep them in 560 00:34:59,719 --> 00:35:02,680 Speaker 1: a p and fatten them up and use them to 561 00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:06,040 Speaker 1: you know, subsist on, maybe they're kind of trying to 562 00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:07,719 Speaker 1: figure out how to do that for themselves. You know, 563 00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:11,759 Speaker 1: maybe there's something they lack in their society that they require, 564 00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:16,200 Speaker 1: you know, some version of what we have as a species. 565 00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:20,600 Speaker 1: You know, yeah, that's a good angle. We need cattle, 566 00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:23,440 Speaker 1: and it makes it It makes me think also as well. 567 00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:28,920 Speaker 1: One of the old problems often encountered in science fiction speculation, right, speculation, 568 00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:36,040 Speaker 1: Alien life is technology and technological evolution. So what if 569 00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:38,239 Speaker 1: there are what if there is some sort of life 570 00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:41,680 Speaker 1: for there that is just streets ahead of us, galaxies 571 00:35:41,719 --> 00:35:44,160 Speaker 1: ahead of us maybe in terms of space travel, but 572 00:35:44,239 --> 00:35:48,320 Speaker 1: in other ways doesn't have technology that we would consider 573 00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:54,440 Speaker 1: rather elementary. I mean, not fire. Maybe they don't have fire. 574 00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:57,760 Speaker 1: That's that's a pretty basic one. And and and maybe 575 00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:00,840 Speaker 1: maybe they're cutting them open and taking the parts back 576 00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:02,920 Speaker 1: so that they can test them and see if it's 577 00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:05,279 Speaker 1: something that they could even survive on. It's just a thought. 578 00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:08,279 Speaker 1: I'm just you know, and here, Yeah, that's I mean, 579 00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:10,680 Speaker 1: that's a good point. What do you think about cryptids? Though? 580 00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:15,480 Speaker 1: The idea that some as of yet unidentified animal could 581 00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:18,920 Speaker 1: be responsible for this certainly would account for why we 582 00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:24,080 Speaker 1: don't recognize the means of um of the kill, the meat, 583 00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:26,560 Speaker 1: the way that the animal is killed, that it's trained 584 00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:28,680 Speaker 1: of blood, and that is not something we typically see 585 00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:31,719 Speaker 1: in animals that we are scavengers or predators that were 586 00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:35,120 Speaker 1: aware of Yeah, you know what I mean. One Ranchers 587 00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:39,640 Speaker 1: said that place one Ranchers said that, uh, the cow, 588 00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:44,000 Speaker 1: the cow that he discovered killed, had about eleven pounds 589 00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:49,799 Speaker 1: of blood. How would a predator eat eleven pounds of 590 00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:52,879 Speaker 1: blood by like, by itself or get rid of all 591 00:36:52,920 --> 00:36:55,000 Speaker 1: of it? You know, Well, maybe he was a goat sucker. 592 00:36:55,600 --> 00:37:00,480 Speaker 1: Maybe that's maybe that's what it specializes in. That's that's 593 00:37:00,520 --> 00:37:02,799 Speaker 1: what I'm saying. I mean, if if it's some as 594 00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:07,880 Speaker 1: yet unidentified creature, it would likely have equipment, shall we 595 00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:09,920 Speaker 1: say that we are not familiar with, you know, and 596 00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:13,400 Speaker 1: something that would that would take to drain a large 597 00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:16,320 Speaker 1: animal of all of its blood would certainly be something 598 00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:19,920 Speaker 1: outside of a coyote or a fox or you know, 599 00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:27,479 Speaker 1: a typical straw. Yeah, that sounds like some real coy boy. 600 00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:31,480 Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, as you're saying, okay, guys, uh, here 601 00:37:31,560 --> 00:37:34,839 Speaker 1: we go. We're doing the turn now. As much as 602 00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:38,560 Speaker 1: I love speculating about this stuff and about the possibility 603 00:37:38,600 --> 00:37:40,560 Speaker 1: of aliens and why they would want to come down 604 00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:43,960 Speaker 1: and study cows because perhaps they are a higher advanced 605 00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:48,480 Speaker 1: bovine version, maybe that's what the aliens are, I have 606 00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:51,480 Speaker 1: to say, and we have to move on to the 607 00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:55,040 Speaker 1: idea that there's a human element somehow involved here because 608 00:37:55,080 --> 00:37:57,480 Speaker 1: I think it's a little more plausible humans know how 609 00:37:57,480 --> 00:38:03,480 Speaker 1: to drink milkshakes. I've been in this room the entire time. Hello, Hello, 610 00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:07,799 Speaker 1: I just want to establish that. So that's I mean, 611 00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:10,040 Speaker 1: that is a great point though, because we know it's 612 00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:13,720 Speaker 1: completely not only is it plausible, but it has happened before. 613 00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:19,080 Speaker 1: We have an industry built on the practice of humans 614 00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:25,200 Speaker 1: killing and mutilating animals. These are this is uh, the 615 00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:29,560 Speaker 1: cattle mulation that occurs now is different because it is 616 00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:33,200 Speaker 1: not part of that system, and it also doesn't seem 617 00:38:33,239 --> 00:38:35,759 Speaker 1: to be I mean, it's certainly not beneficial to the 618 00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:39,040 Speaker 1: cattle or the ranchers, possibly the animals doing it. But 619 00:38:39,120 --> 00:38:41,759 Speaker 1: we the point is, we do know that humans have 620 00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:47,239 Speaker 1: the ability to kill, to kill livestock, and to do 621 00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:50,719 Speaker 1: so in a variety of ways. We talked about the 622 00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:53,920 Speaker 1: virgin and serial killers, and it led me to a 623 00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:56,080 Speaker 1: question I wanted to ask you, guys, do you think 624 00:38:56,120 --> 00:38:59,280 Speaker 1: it would be possible to explain some of these things 625 00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:04,560 Speaker 1: by checking for areas known for cattle mutilation and seeing 626 00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:07,840 Speaker 1: if they correlate to the stomping grounds of serial killers 627 00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:11,200 Speaker 1: or the hometowns of people who would later become killers. 628 00:39:11,239 --> 00:39:14,400 Speaker 1: That's fascinating. Yeah, but it's such a needle in a 629 00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:17,960 Speaker 1: haystack because there's so few apprehended serial killers. Yeah, we 630 00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:20,200 Speaker 1: have no idea where they're lurking. Well, it's also one 631 00:39:20,200 --> 00:39:24,200 Speaker 1: of those things where, um, a burgeoning serial killer, shall 632 00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:27,960 Speaker 1: we say, um, who knows how long they might just 633 00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:31,120 Speaker 1: mutilate animals before they actually move on to actually killing 634 00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:35,000 Speaker 1: you know, humans. They could do it for years, just 635 00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:39,359 Speaker 1: just to practice. Just maybe they're trying to, um, not 636 00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:42,600 Speaker 1: take it to the next level, and so they're you know, 637 00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:46,960 Speaker 1: satisfying that urge just by killing animals in this way. 638 00:39:47,160 --> 00:39:50,359 Speaker 1: Dark Passenger kind of that's exactly, especially the ones with 639 00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:54,200 Speaker 1: the surgical incisions and that whole medicinal smell thing wears 640 00:39:54,239 --> 00:39:56,560 Speaker 1: me out so much. It makes me think there's someone 641 00:39:56,680 --> 00:40:01,520 Speaker 1: practicing not necessarily even killing, like serial killing, but wanting 642 00:40:01,560 --> 00:40:06,440 Speaker 1: to practice some kind of medical I don't know, I 643 00:40:06,520 --> 00:40:09,759 Speaker 1: was gonna say, I was gonna say maneuver quite the 644 00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:12,800 Speaker 1: right word, but just procedure. Well, yeah, I guess it 645 00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:16,959 Speaker 1: would be a procedure. Practicing a procedure on account. Well, 646 00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:21,240 Speaker 1: this is this is interesting because from the skeptical side 647 00:40:21,239 --> 00:40:24,680 Speaker 1: of it, what I've seen is that numerous people say 648 00:40:25,080 --> 00:40:30,120 Speaker 1: the effects of scavengers or bloating and dehydration can cause 649 00:40:30,160 --> 00:40:32,400 Speaker 1: the skin to split in a way that looks as 650 00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:35,800 Speaker 1: if it were an extremely clean cut. However, the ranchers 651 00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:40,919 Speaker 1: who you know own these these cattle will say that 652 00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:43,239 Speaker 1: they've seen a lot of stuff and that they know 653 00:40:43,320 --> 00:40:46,120 Speaker 1: the difference between somebody with a hunting knife or an 654 00:40:46,120 --> 00:40:51,320 Speaker 1: animal attack or a scalpel. And you can see people 655 00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:55,120 Speaker 1: trying to reproduce the effects of this and not doing 656 00:40:55,160 --> 00:40:58,120 Speaker 1: the best job, which is why we hear the old 657 00:40:58,160 --> 00:41:02,759 Speaker 1: stories about lasers, which has not been proven. But it's 658 00:41:02,760 --> 00:41:04,560 Speaker 1: all it's another one of those weird things where you 659 00:41:04,600 --> 00:41:07,239 Speaker 1: hear about increased signs of heat, like there was a 660 00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:10,400 Speaker 1: heat sourcer in the cattle, or that there was a 661 00:41:11,560 --> 00:41:15,520 Speaker 1: even readings of radiation slightly higher radiation And wouldn't a 662 00:41:15,600 --> 00:41:18,759 Speaker 1: laser caught her eyes as it cuts? Yeah, so it 663 00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:21,880 Speaker 1: burned a little. Yeah, that's a really good point. Um. 664 00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:24,600 Speaker 1: I don't know, I haven't seen any confirmation of that, 665 00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:28,040 Speaker 1: but we do need to put that idea in this show. 666 00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:32,359 Speaker 1: What I have seen a little bit more credible confirmation 667 00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:37,320 Speaker 1: or allegation rather is in the state level enforcement reports. 668 00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:40,600 Speaker 1: They do talk a little bit about cults. Yeah, they do. 669 00:41:40,680 --> 00:41:44,080 Speaker 1: They talk about hooded figures. I think one one person 670 00:41:44,120 --> 00:41:48,160 Speaker 1: in particular discussed how they or they made an official 671 00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:51,160 Speaker 1: report of how they were stopped in the road. There's 672 00:41:51,160 --> 00:41:55,080 Speaker 1: a roadblock with fifteen or so hooded people in black 673 00:41:55,120 --> 00:41:59,200 Speaker 1: hoods in particular October, and they had to turn around 674 00:41:59,239 --> 00:42:01,120 Speaker 1: and go in and they just so happened that this 675 00:42:01,200 --> 00:42:04,080 Speaker 1: was an area where cattle mutilations have been reported at 676 00:42:04,120 --> 00:42:09,160 Speaker 1: a higher than regular And in September the same year, 677 00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:13,640 Speaker 1: another resident of Idaho, a Blaine County Forestry Service employee, 678 00:42:14,080 --> 00:42:17,560 Speaker 1: also reported seeing a group of figures in black hooded robes. 679 00:42:18,200 --> 00:42:24,040 Speaker 1: The next day they found several mutilated cattle. Dude, this one, 680 00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:27,239 Speaker 1: I love this one. Well. What's interesting is that these 681 00:42:27,239 --> 00:42:30,600 Speaker 1: are reports were made to law enforcement. So this is 682 00:42:30,640 --> 00:42:34,000 Speaker 1: not just some Internet story that people are telling each other. 683 00:42:34,040 --> 00:42:35,919 Speaker 1: It's not a spooky story to tell them the dart. 684 00:42:36,560 --> 00:42:38,200 Speaker 1: We do have to keep in mind though, that there 685 00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:44,160 Speaker 1: was widespread I don't want to say hysteria, it's satanic. 686 00:42:44,160 --> 00:42:47,520 Speaker 1: Panic is the perfect phrase, uh, to to use your 687 00:42:47,520 --> 00:42:52,640 Speaker 1: earlier phrase, nol. But it doesn't necessarily mean the recults. 688 00:42:52,640 --> 00:42:57,080 Speaker 1: But it is very strange. It's anomalous. Yeah, I I 689 00:42:57,120 --> 00:43:00,640 Speaker 1: don't know, the thought of a group of people getting 690 00:43:00,680 --> 00:43:04,040 Speaker 1: together who have decided that they want to I don't know, 691 00:43:04,120 --> 00:43:07,560 Speaker 1: practice a religion and older religion, perhaps in the middle 692 00:43:07,640 --> 00:43:13,000 Speaker 1: of Idaho in the country. I mean that that sounds 693 00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:16,000 Speaker 1: fun to me. I know that sounds awful, probably even 694 00:43:16,040 --> 00:43:18,680 Speaker 1: me saying that too many of you, But really it 695 00:43:18,719 --> 00:43:21,960 Speaker 1: sounds fun. Yeah, I think that's okay. Not necessarily the 696 00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:26,160 Speaker 1: animal sacrifice angle or that segment of it, but the 697 00:43:26,239 --> 00:43:29,960 Speaker 1: idea of having an older religion kind of revived. Know, 698 00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:33,200 Speaker 1: it feels very twilight zony to me, and I love it. 699 00:43:33,360 --> 00:43:37,279 Speaker 1: Very close to Bohemian grove. Yes, I want to go 700 00:43:37,360 --> 00:43:40,680 Speaker 1: so bad. Secremation of Care is that the name they're 701 00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:45,080 Speaker 1: They're weird owl effigy burning thing. It is, Thank you 702 00:43:45,120 --> 00:43:48,040 Speaker 1: Alex Jones. We're getting video of that. Yeah, that was 703 00:43:48,160 --> 00:43:50,160 Speaker 1: That was a good movement. Is where it was very 704 00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:53,120 Speaker 1: strange to see that. It makes me think of, um, 705 00:43:53,160 --> 00:43:55,399 Speaker 1: you know, I did this documentary about the Georgia Guide 706 00:43:55,440 --> 00:43:58,440 Speaker 1: Stones is a topic that we have yet to really unravel. 707 00:43:58,520 --> 00:44:01,799 Speaker 1: I don't think we can't wait too needs to have Yeah, 708 00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:03,560 Speaker 1: well no, we should. Um but anyone who doesn't know. 709 00:44:03,640 --> 00:44:06,880 Speaker 1: The Guide Stones are sort of a Stonehenge esque array 710 00:44:07,200 --> 00:44:11,040 Speaker 1: of granite slabs that are inscribed with these sort of 711 00:44:11,520 --> 00:44:13,719 Speaker 1: commandments for kind of like a new world order, like 712 00:44:13,719 --> 00:44:17,359 Speaker 1: a post apocalyptic rallying point, shall we say, in this 713 00:44:17,440 --> 00:44:21,239 Speaker 1: meadow um in Elberton, Georgia, which is not terribly far 714 00:44:21,280 --> 00:44:23,880 Speaker 1: from where we are in Atlanta. But um. One of 715 00:44:23,920 --> 00:44:28,080 Speaker 1: the theories about these stones, since the person who financed 716 00:44:28,160 --> 00:44:32,759 Speaker 1: and had them erected uh maintained his anonymity throughout the 717 00:44:32,760 --> 00:44:36,560 Speaker 1: whole process. Mr. Christian, Mr rc Christian. But there were 718 00:44:36,600 --> 00:44:39,920 Speaker 1: stories about how you know, and as tends to happen 719 00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:44,640 Speaker 1: when their secrecy involved, people's imaginations run wild, and there 720 00:44:44,719 --> 00:44:48,760 Speaker 1: were a lot of accounts of animal sacrifice. I actually 721 00:44:48,760 --> 00:44:52,279 Speaker 1: interviewed a pastor at a nearby church for the documentary, 722 00:44:52,600 --> 00:44:55,399 Speaker 1: and he swears up and down that there he rode 723 00:44:55,440 --> 00:44:58,000 Speaker 1: by the site and saw people in hooded you know, 724 00:44:58,040 --> 00:45:03,000 Speaker 1: hooded figures um, laying down rose petals and lighting candles 725 00:45:03,040 --> 00:45:07,280 Speaker 1: and doing these like saltsticey type rituals. And he said 726 00:45:07,320 --> 00:45:09,920 Speaker 1: that Um, when he started speaking out about it in 727 00:45:09,960 --> 00:45:14,760 Speaker 1: his community at his church, people would place slaughtered goat 728 00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:18,480 Speaker 1: carcasses at his uh you know, doorstep at his home 729 00:45:18,560 --> 00:45:21,880 Speaker 1: and at the church, etcetera. Um. But point being, I 730 00:45:21,920 --> 00:45:26,040 Speaker 1: think he was a little bit shall we say, exaggerative 731 00:45:26,280 --> 00:45:29,280 Speaker 1: in his accounts, and I think it's probably very likely 732 00:45:29,320 --> 00:45:32,759 Speaker 1: that he did see some hooded figures, but they were 733 00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:35,520 Speaker 1: probably like you say, some folks kind of practicing sort 734 00:45:35,560 --> 00:45:39,160 Speaker 1: of like a neo pagan kind of religious uh you know, 735 00:45:39,600 --> 00:45:42,480 Speaker 1: um ritual, I could said. And you know, I mean 736 00:45:42,480 --> 00:45:45,320 Speaker 1: it happens even here in you know, in in Georgia 737 00:45:45,520 --> 00:45:48,960 Speaker 1: and in rural areas. They're very attractive to folks that 738 00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:50,200 Speaker 1: are wanting to do that because they want to go 739 00:45:50,239 --> 00:45:53,319 Speaker 1: out and be close to nature and where there aren't 740 00:45:53,320 --> 00:45:55,720 Speaker 1: many people around. And so I mean I could imagine 741 00:45:55,719 --> 00:45:59,600 Speaker 1: people did see hooded figures associated with some of these things. 742 00:45:59,600 --> 00:46:02,360 Speaker 1: And you know, I mean there's always more insidious versions 743 00:46:02,719 --> 00:46:05,279 Speaker 1: of these kind of rituals, and perhaps there was some 744 00:46:05,360 --> 00:46:09,000 Speaker 1: animal sacrifice involved, as we talked about with Rome, you know, like, 745 00:46:09,160 --> 00:46:13,320 Speaker 1: why is that any less likely that a newer version 746 00:46:13,320 --> 00:46:15,640 Speaker 1: of a pagan religion like what they practiced in Rome 747 00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:19,600 Speaker 1: wouldn't do the same thing. Are we profiling cults? You guys? 748 00:46:20,680 --> 00:46:22,839 Speaker 1: Kind of I guess we are. I think the term 749 00:46:22,920 --> 00:46:25,520 Speaker 1: cults is sort of like a odd catch all too, 750 00:46:25,560 --> 00:46:28,440 Speaker 1: because of majority. Right, absolutely, Because again, if we're talking 751 00:46:28,440 --> 00:46:31,520 Speaker 1: about is if you're a Pagan, are you in a 752 00:46:31,600 --> 00:46:36,280 Speaker 1: cult anymore than if you're a Christian? Yeah, one person's 753 00:46:36,320 --> 00:46:40,000 Speaker 1: cult is another person's true religion. Right. Uh. And I 754 00:46:40,040 --> 00:46:42,480 Speaker 1: think the you know, we've talked a little bit about this, 755 00:46:42,760 --> 00:46:46,920 Speaker 1: just to reiterate with a word like cult, one of 756 00:46:46,960 --> 00:46:49,960 Speaker 1: the things that happens it is a word that springs 757 00:46:50,040 --> 00:46:53,240 Speaker 1: up in opposition to something else. So cults are usually 758 00:46:53,239 --> 00:46:57,760 Speaker 1: depicted as being in opposition to a larger religious doctrine, 759 00:46:57,760 --> 00:47:01,719 Speaker 1: somehow underground. So is it possible is it possible that 760 00:47:01,760 --> 00:47:04,560 Speaker 1: there is a group of people or several groups of 761 00:47:04,600 --> 00:47:11,240 Speaker 1: people ritualistically murdering animals as part of a religious practice. 762 00:47:12,280 --> 00:47:16,600 Speaker 1: If that's true, If that's the case, and if they 763 00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:21,600 Speaker 1: own the cattle, then legally is a very interesting situation 764 00:47:21,600 --> 00:47:24,239 Speaker 1: because is it a right to practice religion? Is it 765 00:47:24,320 --> 00:47:27,239 Speaker 1: animal cruelty? Does you know what I mean? Yeah? Where 766 00:47:27,280 --> 00:47:29,640 Speaker 1: does it? Where does it fall amongst all of these 767 00:47:29,680 --> 00:47:33,480 Speaker 1: different categories? And what's with the secrecy? I want to know? 768 00:47:34,280 --> 00:47:37,400 Speaker 1: But there there's another group that some people might also 769 00:47:37,440 --> 00:47:41,239 Speaker 1: call a cult that have been alleged to participate in this, 770 00:47:41,520 --> 00:47:45,200 Speaker 1: and that is the Church of Uncle Sam and for 771 00:47:45,280 --> 00:47:49,440 Speaker 1: a fascinating reason. Okay, so it's been alleged that perhaps 772 00:47:49,560 --> 00:47:53,920 Speaker 1: the United States government some facet of it is sacrifice. 773 00:47:54,120 --> 00:47:57,239 Speaker 1: Not they're not sacrificing. They're killing these animals in order 774 00:47:57,280 --> 00:48:02,320 Speaker 1: to conduct experiments to track disease, in particular bovine sponge 775 00:48:02,320 --> 00:48:06,479 Speaker 1: of form and cephalopathy or ned cow disease, which took 776 00:48:06,520 --> 00:48:10,719 Speaker 1: me which which took me forever to pronounce correctly in 777 00:48:10,760 --> 00:48:17,960 Speaker 1: the in our video. It's great face something. I just 778 00:48:18,200 --> 00:48:21,359 Speaker 1: why would the government creep in in the night and 779 00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:25,439 Speaker 1: do this to some poor rancher without compensating him for 780 00:48:25,520 --> 00:48:28,200 Speaker 1: the loss of his his livestock. I mean, we have 781 00:48:28,360 --> 00:48:30,239 Speaker 1: things like the c d C. You know, we have 782 00:48:30,320 --> 00:48:32,719 Speaker 1: the U s d A. They have facilities where they 783 00:48:32,760 --> 00:48:36,719 Speaker 1: can test animals and they can take samples, and they 784 00:48:36,840 --> 00:48:40,480 Speaker 1: send out, you know, representatives that will take samples or 785 00:48:40,520 --> 00:48:43,239 Speaker 1: if they you know, need to test a specific cow 786 00:48:43,280 --> 00:48:46,040 Speaker 1: in a specific area from a specific herd, I can't 787 00:48:46,080 --> 00:48:49,239 Speaker 1: imagine they wouldn't clear it with the owner. And you know, 788 00:48:49,360 --> 00:48:52,319 Speaker 1: these are good questions. But then also to add some 789 00:48:52,600 --> 00:48:55,880 Speaker 1: to ask some more questions to uh the fire we're 790 00:48:55,920 --> 00:49:01,000 Speaker 1: building for our own weird podcast. God here, let's also consider, um, 791 00:49:01,120 --> 00:49:03,799 Speaker 1: let's if this were true, why would they do it 792 00:49:03,840 --> 00:49:06,319 Speaker 1: in secret? That's that's the big question to me. Would 793 00:49:06,320 --> 00:49:09,600 Speaker 1: it be because there would be at a public panic 794 00:49:10,200 --> 00:49:16,680 Speaker 1: if they said, Hey, we're like one missed cow mutilation 795 00:49:16,760 --> 00:49:21,759 Speaker 1: away from an outbreak of this this terrible disease. I 796 00:49:21,760 --> 00:49:24,319 Speaker 1: think we all remember the mad cow disease. There were 797 00:49:24,360 --> 00:49:27,480 Speaker 1: freakouts that happened quite frequently in the nineties. Do you 798 00:49:27,480 --> 00:49:29,759 Speaker 1: guys remember that? Yeah? And I guess maybe you know 799 00:49:29,960 --> 00:49:33,799 Speaker 1: to your point, it would be more effective to pull 800 00:49:33,840 --> 00:49:37,040 Speaker 1: out the bits on site rather than to load up 801 00:49:37,040 --> 00:49:40,840 Speaker 1: the whole cow. Right right. Again, they have trailers for 802 00:49:40,840 --> 00:49:44,280 Speaker 1: these kind of things they do. They have unidentified black helicopters, 803 00:49:44,520 --> 00:49:47,680 Speaker 1: which several police officers in New Mexico and Utah have 804 00:49:47,719 --> 00:49:51,600 Speaker 1: also reported seen or unidentified craft. But here's here's the 805 00:49:51,680 --> 00:49:55,440 Speaker 1: thing that I can't get past. If it is the government, 806 00:49:55,560 --> 00:49:58,080 Speaker 1: if it if it is Big Brother conducting this kind 807 00:49:58,080 --> 00:50:01,239 Speaker 1: of research, then what about the mutilations that occur in 808 00:50:01,320 --> 00:50:05,680 Speaker 1: other countries, in other parts of the world. What, um, 809 00:50:05,719 --> 00:50:09,400 Speaker 1: you know, what is the incentive for Uncle Sam in 810 00:50:09,440 --> 00:50:14,600 Speaker 1: the various other governmental authorities to conduct these experiments. I mean, 811 00:50:14,800 --> 00:50:17,120 Speaker 1: all the questions that you ask are still the ones 812 00:50:17,680 --> 00:50:21,320 Speaker 1: that are stuck in my head. I'm I'm convinced based 813 00:50:21,440 --> 00:50:25,520 Speaker 1: on what based on what a lot of these ranchers 814 00:50:25,520 --> 00:50:29,960 Speaker 1: have said, I'm convinced that there is something anomalous. Whether 815 00:50:30,040 --> 00:50:35,480 Speaker 1: that is a perfect storm of predation, scavenging and circuitan environment, 816 00:50:35,880 --> 00:50:40,400 Speaker 1: or whether that is some you know, group of really 817 00:50:40,600 --> 00:50:45,359 Speaker 1: screwed up college kids. What if it's a combination of 818 00:50:45,440 --> 00:50:49,480 Speaker 1: all of the things we've touched on except from except 819 00:50:50,080 --> 00:50:53,719 Speaker 1: aliens aliens. Maybe you can't say all the things right, 820 00:50:53,840 --> 00:50:56,440 Speaker 1: all the things and aliens. But what if it's like 821 00:50:56,680 --> 00:50:59,960 Speaker 1: happening here and there, you know, because if it's happening global, 822 00:51:00,120 --> 00:51:04,680 Speaker 1: then it's probably not just one cause. What if the aliens, 823 00:51:05,400 --> 00:51:09,960 Speaker 1: the serial killers, and the government are all working together, 824 00:51:11,360 --> 00:51:14,640 Speaker 1: them cows and they're the cult worships the same thing, 825 00:51:14,719 --> 00:51:17,200 Speaker 1: and then it's all I like. I like picturing it 826 00:51:17,239 --> 00:51:21,080 Speaker 1: instead like an awkward meeting where people are expecting to 827 00:51:21,160 --> 00:51:23,319 Speaker 1: run into each other, so you know, a picture like 828 00:51:23,360 --> 00:51:26,680 Speaker 1: a far side cartoon cow since in the field and 829 00:51:26,760 --> 00:51:30,160 Speaker 1: realize it's it's alone, and then like a mountain nine 830 00:51:30,280 --> 00:51:32,880 Speaker 1: comes out, and then like three people in black robes 831 00:51:32,920 --> 00:51:35,760 Speaker 1: come out, and an alien lands and then Uncle Sam 832 00:51:35,800 --> 00:51:38,400 Speaker 1: like in the red, white and blue outfit. Dude, she 833 00:51:38,480 --> 00:51:40,480 Speaker 1: gotta draw that. I know't now, I know. I don't 834 00:51:40,480 --> 00:51:42,480 Speaker 1: want to tell on you, but you're quite the cartoonist. 835 00:51:42,520 --> 00:51:48,080 Speaker 1: I think you should draw them. Eric Larson or has 836 00:51:48,160 --> 00:51:51,920 Speaker 1: some fantastic images with aliens and cows. But can you 837 00:51:51,960 --> 00:51:54,520 Speaker 1: imagine they all ran into to each other when you 838 00:51:54,600 --> 00:51:57,760 Speaker 1: gave the same cow. How do you decide that? So good? 839 00:51:57,920 --> 00:52:01,600 Speaker 1: Everybody's just playing rock paper scissors the past. Oh man, 840 00:52:01,840 --> 00:52:04,080 Speaker 1: Since it feels like we're wrapping up, I just in 841 00:52:04,120 --> 00:52:09,399 Speaker 1: the interest of continuing with the iconic nineties cartoon talk, Um, 842 00:52:09,440 --> 00:52:11,520 Speaker 1: I just wanted to mention a comic series that we've 843 00:52:11,560 --> 00:52:14,680 Speaker 1: mentioned several times, the Lock and Key series by Joe 844 00:52:14,760 --> 00:52:17,640 Speaker 1: Hill and illustrated by Gabrielle Rodriguez. There is an issue 845 00:52:17,800 --> 00:52:22,440 Speaker 1: and I believe the fourth trade collection where um the 846 00:52:22,560 --> 00:52:26,360 Speaker 1: artist who drew and created Calvin and Hobbs series, Bill Waterson, 847 00:52:27,040 --> 00:52:31,000 Speaker 1: does a kind of alternate reality version of the story 848 00:52:31,239 --> 00:52:35,040 Speaker 1: and it alternates between his art and Rodriguez's art and 849 00:52:35,120 --> 00:52:38,800 Speaker 1: it's just it works so beautifully and I can't recommend 850 00:52:38,800 --> 00:52:41,520 Speaker 1: that series enough. Then I bought the whole thing and 851 00:52:41,560 --> 00:52:43,440 Speaker 1: I've been kind of borrowing them from him here and there, 852 00:52:43,480 --> 00:52:45,120 Speaker 1: and I'm working my way through it and it's just 853 00:52:45,200 --> 00:52:50,240 Speaker 1: so good. Can't recommend it. And I love that some 854 00:52:50,239 --> 00:52:53,560 Speaker 1: some folks, uh you out there in podcast land have 855 00:52:53,760 --> 00:52:58,360 Speaker 1: commented on our love of comics and graphic novels. Please, 856 00:52:58,400 --> 00:53:00,719 Speaker 1: if you have any suggestions, feel free to send them 857 00:53:00,760 --> 00:53:04,040 Speaker 1: to us. Guys, if you're okay with it, let's end 858 00:53:04,280 --> 00:53:09,520 Speaker 1: on listen on a local note for us. In January 859 00:53:10,200 --> 00:53:15,480 Speaker 1: this year, mutilation in Jackson County, which is uh close 860 00:53:15,520 --> 00:53:20,359 Speaker 1: to some stomping grounds of Athens, Georgia. They reported a 861 00:53:20,360 --> 00:53:25,320 Speaker 1: series of mutilations two cows right now. The Sheriff's office 862 00:53:25,360 --> 00:53:29,000 Speaker 1: say says that in at least one cow, they think 863 00:53:29,280 --> 00:53:32,320 Speaker 1: um scavengers cause the wounds, but they're not sure about 864 00:53:32,320 --> 00:53:35,759 Speaker 1: the other one. So this remains something that people still 865 00:53:35,760 --> 00:53:37,640 Speaker 1: talk about. There's a lot of stuff we didn't touch 866 00:53:37,680 --> 00:53:40,840 Speaker 1: on today, but you can see some more in our video. 867 00:53:40,920 --> 00:53:44,239 Speaker 1: You can also hear some more in the documentary that 868 00:53:44,280 --> 00:53:47,560 Speaker 1: Matt recommended. Furthermore, if you want to learn more about this, 869 00:53:47,640 --> 00:53:50,960 Speaker 1: you can check out our podcast on skin Walker Ranch. 870 00:53:52,719 --> 00:53:55,759 Speaker 1: The podcast and the video very good stuff. And please 871 00:53:55,760 --> 00:53:58,600 Speaker 1: don't forget to check out our videos on cryptids. If 872 00:53:58,640 --> 00:54:00,879 Speaker 1: you want to learn more about that angle. We've got 873 00:54:00,920 --> 00:54:03,239 Speaker 1: the cult angle covered for you. It's all on our 874 00:54:03,280 --> 00:54:06,839 Speaker 1: YouTube channel YouTube dot com slash conspiracy Stuff. And if 875 00:54:06,880 --> 00:54:09,239 Speaker 1: none of that strikes your fancy and you want to 876 00:54:09,239 --> 00:54:13,000 Speaker 1: just send a good old fashioned electronic message, you can 877 00:54:13,040 --> 00:54:17,360 Speaker 1: do so by writing to conspiracy at how stuff works 878 00:54:17,480 --> 00:54:20,839 Speaker 1: dot com. One last note, you guys, speaking of things 879 00:54:20,840 --> 00:54:24,000 Speaker 1: that happened this past January. Everyone out there listening, all 880 00:54:24,040 --> 00:54:27,440 Speaker 1: three of us here, our podcast got over one million 881 00:54:27,520 --> 00:54:32,719 Speaker 1: downloads throughout January. Really how cool is that? I just 882 00:54:32,719 --> 00:54:35,440 Speaker 1: wanted to say thank you for listening to us. Uh, 883 00:54:35,480 --> 00:54:37,480 Speaker 1: you know, sit around this table and we enjoy it 884 00:54:37,600 --> 00:54:41,640 Speaker 1: so much, and you know, I hope that you enjoyed 885 00:54:41,640 --> 00:54:45,120 Speaker 1: as much as we do here here. Yeah, thank you 886 00:54:45,160 --> 00:54:47,960 Speaker 1: for your time. And remember this is your show. And 887 00:54:48,040 --> 00:54:50,719 Speaker 1: at the end of our episodes, when we asked send 888 00:54:50,719 --> 00:54:54,040 Speaker 1: an email or something, we can't always respond as efficiently 889 00:54:54,280 --> 00:54:57,080 Speaker 1: as I would like, but we do read everyone, and 890 00:54:57,320 --> 00:55:00,919 Speaker 1: you can always tell because our best episode ideas come 891 00:55:01,000 --> 00:55:03,120 Speaker 1: from you, and people say this is a free show, 892 00:55:03,160 --> 00:55:04,799 Speaker 1: but it is not. I've said it before, I'll say 893 00:55:04,840 --> 00:55:07,800 Speaker 1: it again. You're paying us with the most important currency 894 00:55:07,920 --> 00:55:11,560 Speaker 1: that exists, your time, your tention, and your support. We 895 00:55:11,600 --> 00:55:14,359 Speaker 1: cannot thank you enough, but we are sure gonna try. 896 00:55:14,680 --> 00:55:24,839 Speaker 1: Thank you from more. 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