1 00:00:01,240 --> 00:00:05,160 Speaker 1: Hey guys, welcome to I've never said this before with 2 00:00:05,320 --> 00:00:10,360 Speaker 1: me Tommy Didario. Today's guest is the wonderfully talented actor 3 00:00:10,600 --> 00:00:14,640 Speaker 1: Martin Henderson, who quite often hangs out at the number 4 00:00:14,680 --> 00:00:17,800 Speaker 1: one spot on the Netflix charts with his smash hit 5 00:00:17,920 --> 00:00:21,600 Speaker 1: series Virgin River. Yeah, he's kind of a big deal. 6 00:00:23,040 --> 00:00:26,360 Speaker 1: Virgin River is an American romance drama series that is 7 00:00:26,480 --> 00:00:30,319 Speaker 1: quite often described as comfort viewing. It's adapted from the 8 00:00:30,360 --> 00:00:34,080 Speaker 1: long running romance book series by author Robin Carr, and 9 00:00:34,320 --> 00:00:37,839 Speaker 1: people have fallen in love with Virgin River because of 10 00:00:38,000 --> 00:00:42,720 Speaker 1: well many reasons. But for one, it's heartwarming and it's 11 00:00:42,760 --> 00:00:45,479 Speaker 1: a small town show with just the right amount of 12 00:00:45,600 --> 00:00:50,640 Speaker 1: romance and charm. But also there's some pretty high stakes drama. Listen, 13 00:00:50,680 --> 00:00:53,040 Speaker 1: we live in a world that seems to get harder 14 00:00:53,080 --> 00:00:55,880 Speaker 1: and harder to navigate, so a show like this has 15 00:00:55,920 --> 00:00:59,040 Speaker 1: been described as a medicine for the soul. It is 16 00:00:59,160 --> 00:01:04,040 Speaker 1: pure escape at its finest. Today we celebrate Martin's work 17 00:01:04,040 --> 00:01:06,360 Speaker 1: in Virgin River and we hear him reflect on a 18 00:01:06,400 --> 00:01:09,880 Speaker 1: show that is clearly so special to him. But he 19 00:01:10,000 --> 00:01:12,920 Speaker 1: also opens up about the real man behind the fan 20 00:01:13,000 --> 00:01:16,240 Speaker 1: favorite character. We talk about how he has evolved as 21 00:01:16,240 --> 00:01:19,240 Speaker 1: a human being over the years, the ways that he 22 00:01:19,319 --> 00:01:22,920 Speaker 1: protects his peace, why men need to feel safe to 23 00:01:23,040 --> 00:01:27,800 Speaker 1: express their emotions, and so much more so, Let's see 24 00:01:27,800 --> 00:01:30,600 Speaker 1: if today we can get Martin to say something that 25 00:01:30,640 --> 00:01:40,560 Speaker 1: he's never said before. Martin Henderson, how you doing, my friend? 26 00:01:41,200 --> 00:01:43,240 Speaker 2: Oh? I'm good, man, I'm good. How are you? 27 00:01:43,800 --> 00:01:45,880 Speaker 1: I am fantastic. You were just telling me you got 28 00:01:45,920 --> 00:01:48,120 Speaker 1: off a flight at your back home and you're a 29 00:01:48,120 --> 00:01:49,040 Speaker 1: little tired today. 30 00:01:49,120 --> 00:01:50,280 Speaker 2: Huh, Yeah, that's true. 31 00:01:50,320 --> 00:01:51,920 Speaker 3: I kind of lied. You're right, you asked me how 32 00:01:51,960 --> 00:01:52,240 Speaker 3: I was. 33 00:01:52,320 --> 00:01:57,000 Speaker 2: I'm exhausted. Other than that, I'm pretty good. How you doing? 34 00:01:57,360 --> 00:01:59,920 Speaker 1: I am fantastic. I'm so happy you are hanging out 35 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:03,120 Speaker 1: with me today. We talked a few years ago. Time flies, man, 36 00:02:03,200 --> 00:02:06,680 Speaker 1: So I'm glad to reconnect and talk about all the 37 00:02:06,760 --> 00:02:09,840 Speaker 1: fun things. But I have to begin by giving you 38 00:02:09,840 --> 00:02:11,920 Speaker 1: a little piece of information that you might not be 39 00:02:12,000 --> 00:02:13,400 Speaker 1: aware of. Are you ready for it? 40 00:02:13,760 --> 00:02:16,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm lucky. I'm sitting down. Yeah, go for it. 41 00:02:16,680 --> 00:02:20,000 Speaker 1: Did you know that the Internet has named you one 42 00:02:20,080 --> 00:02:23,799 Speaker 1: of the most swoon worthy stars on all of television? 43 00:02:24,400 --> 00:02:25,120 Speaker 2: Spoon worthy? 44 00:02:25,720 --> 00:02:29,800 Speaker 1: Swoon I mean probably spoon worthy to people. Probably my spoon. 45 00:02:29,560 --> 00:02:31,560 Speaker 3: Like sit of cuddle. I thought that's a little vanilla. 46 00:02:31,760 --> 00:02:33,600 Speaker 1: Well, listen, that's not a bad thing. And I'm sure 47 00:02:33,600 --> 00:02:35,880 Speaker 1: many people want to spoon and be spooned by you, 48 00:02:35,960 --> 00:02:38,200 Speaker 1: but swoon with the w you were one of the 49 00:02:38,240 --> 00:02:41,360 Speaker 1: most swoon worthy stars according to the World Wide Web. 50 00:02:41,440 --> 00:02:43,040 Speaker 1: How does that make you feel? Do you want to 51 00:02:43,040 --> 00:02:44,760 Speaker 1: say a few words. 52 00:02:44,400 --> 00:02:48,120 Speaker 2: Wow, I don't. I don't really trust what you read, 53 00:02:48,200 --> 00:02:51,720 Speaker 2: so I don't know exactly how you quantify that, what 54 00:02:51,880 --> 00:02:55,040 Speaker 2: source it is. But that's very flattering. I'll take it. 55 00:02:55,120 --> 00:02:55,880 Speaker 3: That's very nice. 56 00:02:56,040 --> 00:02:58,840 Speaker 2: There's enough people out there that seem to think that 57 00:02:58,840 --> 00:03:01,080 Speaker 2: that it's come up in this endy you, so the 58 00:03:01,160 --> 00:03:03,520 Speaker 2: you go us have some validity to it. 59 00:03:03,840 --> 00:03:05,679 Speaker 1: I had a trophy and you were here, I would 60 00:03:05,720 --> 00:03:09,720 Speaker 1: hand you the trophy. So starting off with the big honor, now, 61 00:03:10,240 --> 00:03:12,799 Speaker 1: I feel like you should have number one tattooed on 62 00:03:12,840 --> 00:03:15,360 Speaker 1: your forehead because every time a new season of Virgin 63 00:03:15,440 --> 00:03:18,640 Speaker 1: River drops, it soars to number one on Netflix, every 64 00:03:19,000 --> 00:03:22,280 Speaker 1: single time. So, first of all, for everybody listening, for 65 00:03:22,360 --> 00:03:24,600 Speaker 1: those who maybe haven't had a chance to check out 66 00:03:24,600 --> 00:03:26,720 Speaker 1: this series, although I don't think there are many people, 67 00:03:26,760 --> 00:03:30,079 Speaker 1: but for the people that haven't, in your words, as 68 00:03:30,120 --> 00:03:32,400 Speaker 1: a star of the show, How would you describe this show? 69 00:03:32,720 --> 00:03:34,600 Speaker 2: Well, first of all, as we'll say, I do have 70 00:03:34,680 --> 00:03:40,240 Speaker 2: a number one tattooed, but I can't show you, you know, 71 00:03:40,320 --> 00:03:43,760 Speaker 2: how would I describe the show? I feel like it's 72 00:03:43,800 --> 00:03:46,600 Speaker 2: a feel good show, and I think the show in 73 00:03:46,640 --> 00:03:49,760 Speaker 2: and of itself is a very good show. It's a 74 00:03:49,880 --> 00:03:53,160 Speaker 2: very well made show, but it is coore. The engine 75 00:03:53,200 --> 00:03:56,080 Speaker 2: of the show really is is love story between It's 76 00:03:56,080 --> 00:04:00,880 Speaker 2: burgeoning love story between Melan Jack, so it leads with 77 00:04:00,920 --> 00:04:04,520 Speaker 2: the heart and all the characters around that in the community. 78 00:04:05,440 --> 00:04:09,040 Speaker 2: Most of the storylines deal with people's feelings, and I 79 00:04:09,080 --> 00:04:13,240 Speaker 2: think we live in a time when, you know, obviously 80 00:04:13,320 --> 00:04:16,160 Speaker 2: there's a lot of it feels like it's getting worse. 81 00:04:16,160 --> 00:04:17,640 Speaker 2: But I don't know, maybe the world's always been this 82 00:04:18,200 --> 00:04:20,880 Speaker 2: dark and trouble, but there's just so much out there 83 00:04:21,440 --> 00:04:24,440 Speaker 2: that we constantly get fed through our social media and 84 00:04:24,440 --> 00:04:28,280 Speaker 2: our news feeds. There's just heavy and dark and divisive 85 00:04:28,360 --> 00:04:32,839 Speaker 2: and conflicted. And here's the show that has so much 86 00:04:33,000 --> 00:04:37,120 Speaker 2: love and such unapologetic feeling to it that I think 87 00:04:37,279 --> 00:04:40,120 Speaker 2: people are drawn to that because a there's just not 88 00:04:40,400 --> 00:04:43,000 Speaker 2: a lot of that out there at the moment, and 89 00:04:43,040 --> 00:04:45,760 Speaker 2: it does it very well. But I also think it 90 00:04:45,800 --> 00:04:48,479 Speaker 2: does it without being too saccharine, because you know, there's 91 00:04:48,520 --> 00:04:51,840 Speaker 2: the hallmarks in the lifetimes and the versions of these 92 00:04:51,920 --> 00:04:53,760 Speaker 2: kind of stories that can get a little bit sappy, 93 00:04:53,800 --> 00:04:56,559 Speaker 2: And of course Virgin River has a lot of sap 94 00:04:56,880 --> 00:05:00,839 Speaker 2: at times, but it is definitely peppered with some darker 95 00:05:00,880 --> 00:05:04,200 Speaker 2: emotions and some heavier things that the characters have to 96 00:05:04,240 --> 00:05:07,520 Speaker 2: go through. There's you know, all of the characters really 97 00:05:07,520 --> 00:05:11,760 Speaker 2: get confronted by some form of loss or something unrequited, 98 00:05:11,880 --> 00:05:16,240 Speaker 2: or heartache or trouble or physical ailments, you know, so 99 00:05:16,560 --> 00:05:20,000 Speaker 2: it's sort of got a nice balance whilst always managing 100 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:21,320 Speaker 2: to make you feel good. I think. 101 00:05:21,600 --> 00:05:23,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, And you've been playing the character of Jack for 102 00:05:23,920 --> 00:05:27,200 Speaker 1: five seasons now going on six. What do you most 103 00:05:27,279 --> 00:05:29,520 Speaker 1: appreciate about playing this role. 104 00:05:30,040 --> 00:05:32,479 Speaker 2: I really like the role. And when they offered me 105 00:05:32,520 --> 00:05:35,839 Speaker 2: the part whatever that was six years ago, five years ago, 106 00:05:35,880 --> 00:05:38,440 Speaker 2: there was you know, I read the pilot script and 107 00:05:38,480 --> 00:05:41,920 Speaker 2: it was good. I was a little concerned because you know, 108 00:05:41,960 --> 00:05:43,919 Speaker 2: I knew that it was based on a romance novel. 109 00:05:44,120 --> 00:05:45,839 Speaker 2: I thought, oh, man, is that what we're going to do? 110 00:05:45,880 --> 00:05:50,240 Speaker 2: Because that didn't really appeal. But the character of Jack had. 111 00:05:50,560 --> 00:05:53,520 Speaker 2: Particularly after talking with the writers, I realized there was 112 00:05:53,680 --> 00:05:56,479 Speaker 2: enough of a dimension to the guy, because clearly, you know, 113 00:05:56,520 --> 00:05:59,880 Speaker 2: he's he's designing to be very heroic, and you might 114 00:06:00,279 --> 00:06:03,880 Speaker 2: say very much a fantasy, you know, this male fantasy, 115 00:06:04,560 --> 00:06:08,400 Speaker 2: and I think that can be one dimensional. But there 116 00:06:08,480 --> 00:06:13,920 Speaker 2: was enough sort of subterranean angst and dark emotions that 117 00:06:13,960 --> 00:06:16,280 Speaker 2: he was dealing with and his demons, and I thought 118 00:06:16,320 --> 00:06:19,120 Speaker 2: that was interesting. I thought, Okay, here's someone that at 119 00:06:19,160 --> 00:06:22,599 Speaker 2: first glances charming and says all the right things, and 120 00:06:22,640 --> 00:06:25,320 Speaker 2: he turns out to be very romantic, but he's also 121 00:06:25,400 --> 00:06:28,080 Speaker 2: quite complex and there's some contradictions, and I just I 122 00:06:28,160 --> 00:06:30,800 Speaker 2: really thought that I could do a decent job with 123 00:06:30,920 --> 00:06:34,360 Speaker 2: that kind of job on a show like this. So yeah, 124 00:06:34,360 --> 00:06:36,719 Speaker 2: I'm really thrilled to play the part. I feel like 125 00:06:37,080 --> 00:06:39,839 Speaker 2: I've let myself down, though, because now there's this expectation 126 00:06:40,040 --> 00:06:44,880 Speaker 2: for me to be as amazing as Jack as a 127 00:06:44,920 --> 00:06:48,360 Speaker 2: big shoots a phil But yeah, it's an honor, you know, 128 00:06:48,440 --> 00:06:51,320 Speaker 2: and I think all actors would be lying if they 129 00:06:51,360 --> 00:06:54,760 Speaker 2: didn't say that. Ultimately, we want people to watch what 130 00:06:54,839 --> 00:06:58,560 Speaker 2: we do, and you know, obviously it's created a huge. 131 00:06:58,360 --> 00:07:01,679 Speaker 3: Following, and that's just humbling and very. 132 00:07:02,440 --> 00:07:04,560 Speaker 2: Rewarding, you know, because we go to work and we 133 00:07:04,600 --> 00:07:07,400 Speaker 2: do work really really hard from the beginning, from the 134 00:07:07,520 --> 00:07:09,680 Speaker 2: day one to make the show the best version that 135 00:07:09,760 --> 00:07:12,360 Speaker 2: it could be. And it seems like people responded, and 136 00:07:13,280 --> 00:07:16,400 Speaker 2: everywhere I go, oh, we love Jack, we love Jack. 137 00:07:17,080 --> 00:07:19,640 Speaker 2: And that feels really good that I've managed to create 138 00:07:19,640 --> 00:07:22,640 Speaker 2: a character that people have responded so favorably too. 139 00:07:22,920 --> 00:07:25,720 Speaker 1: They certainly have man, and I think what's so cool 140 00:07:25,800 --> 00:07:29,600 Speaker 1: about the character you created is he is, you know, 141 00:07:29,680 --> 00:07:34,160 Speaker 1: this quote unquote ideal man, but you also play him 142 00:07:34,160 --> 00:07:37,000 Speaker 1: in such a vulnerable way, and it shows that, you know, 143 00:07:37,520 --> 00:07:40,520 Speaker 1: man can have emotions and be vulnerable and be raw. 144 00:07:41,080 --> 00:07:44,240 Speaker 1: Are you a vulnerable person like your character or are 145 00:07:44,240 --> 00:07:46,400 Speaker 1: you a little bit less emotional? 146 00:07:47,000 --> 00:07:49,760 Speaker 2: Well, given that the show, if you actually analyze it 147 00:07:49,800 --> 00:07:52,280 Speaker 2: and some of the hardcore fans have, you know, if 148 00:07:52,320 --> 00:07:55,000 Speaker 2: you look at the fact that Charmaine has only just 149 00:07:55,880 --> 00:07:59,520 Speaker 2: had heard Twins, the show's gone over very short. You know, 150 00:08:00,160 --> 00:08:03,320 Speaker 2: it is nine months or so. I don't think I've 151 00:08:03,400 --> 00:08:06,160 Speaker 2: had that amount of emotion over an month period. I 152 00:08:06,200 --> 00:08:09,960 Speaker 2: don't think I go through quite that much. But obviously 153 00:08:10,040 --> 00:08:15,520 Speaker 2: the emotions that I want to access to express honestly 154 00:08:15,640 --> 00:08:19,120 Speaker 2: through the character our mine. So I guess i'd have 155 00:08:19,200 --> 00:08:22,960 Speaker 2: to say that, yes, you know, I have those emotions, 156 00:08:23,560 --> 00:08:26,560 Speaker 2: otherwise I wouldn't be able to access them, you know, 157 00:08:26,640 --> 00:08:29,840 Speaker 2: for the character. And I appreciate you bringing up because 158 00:08:30,000 --> 00:08:32,679 Speaker 2: I think it's something that I do feel quite strongly about, 159 00:08:32,720 --> 00:08:35,240 Speaker 2: because you know, I grew up in New Zealand and 160 00:08:35,320 --> 00:08:38,320 Speaker 2: I think it's similar to the world over, but definitely here. 161 00:08:38,520 --> 00:08:41,240 Speaker 2: You know, there's a sense growing our boys don't cry, 162 00:08:41,360 --> 00:08:44,959 Speaker 2: you know, And I think it's kind of shocking that 163 00:08:44,960 --> 00:08:47,839 Speaker 2: that that sort of phrase is so embedded in the 164 00:08:47,960 --> 00:08:51,679 Speaker 2: sort of collective consciousness that it's given almost as a truism, like, oh, 165 00:08:51,720 --> 00:08:53,839 Speaker 2: boys don't cry, you know, at least when I was 166 00:08:53,880 --> 00:08:56,559 Speaker 2: growing up, you know, and I think the generation before 167 00:08:56,559 --> 00:08:59,720 Speaker 2: it was even more hardcore, believed that that was the case. 168 00:09:00,400 --> 00:09:02,840 Speaker 2: And that's crazy. That's like saying humans don't cry. You know, 169 00:09:02,880 --> 00:09:05,640 Speaker 2: we all have emotions, whether we're male or female. I 170 00:09:05,720 --> 00:09:08,320 Speaker 2: just think men are taught at a very very young 171 00:09:08,360 --> 00:09:12,600 Speaker 2: age that they're not welcomed. Unfortunately. I think some girls too, 172 00:09:12,679 --> 00:09:15,760 Speaker 2: you know, some parents can't handle all the feelings that 173 00:09:15,920 --> 00:09:17,839 Speaker 2: child will have, so at a young age. I think 174 00:09:17,840 --> 00:09:21,840 Speaker 2: we're all sort of often taught to suppress them, but 175 00:09:22,000 --> 00:09:26,000 Speaker 2: more so in terms of that male identity. It's bullshit. 176 00:09:26,040 --> 00:09:28,000 Speaker 2: And I think, you know, we do have feelings. And 177 00:09:28,040 --> 00:09:29,720 Speaker 2: I think a lot of the times people get sick 178 00:09:30,040 --> 00:09:33,319 Speaker 2: because they can't be honest about what they're feeling, well, 179 00:09:33,320 --> 00:09:36,000 Speaker 2: their relationships fail or you know. So I think there's 180 00:09:36,000 --> 00:09:39,959 Speaker 2: a huge toll to pay if we were to believe 181 00:09:40,040 --> 00:09:43,320 Speaker 2: that was true. And I think it's important for me 182 00:09:43,360 --> 00:09:46,480 Speaker 2: at least to play a man like Jack who can 183 00:09:46,559 --> 00:09:51,600 Speaker 2: be strong and noble and all these heroic characteristics but 184 00:09:51,840 --> 00:09:54,480 Speaker 2: still have all of his feelings, you know. And I 185 00:09:54,480 --> 00:09:56,760 Speaker 2: think it's interesting to watch a character like that struggle 186 00:09:56,800 --> 00:10:00,920 Speaker 2: with that duality to be strong and vulnera because I 187 00:10:00,960 --> 00:10:02,920 Speaker 2: don't think you want to be just one or the other, 188 00:10:03,040 --> 00:10:04,839 Speaker 2: you know. And I think it's about balance like anything 189 00:10:04,920 --> 00:10:08,480 Speaker 2: in life, and that's a really good aspect to the character. 190 00:10:08,600 --> 00:10:11,160 Speaker 2: And I just think it's more honest because of course, 191 00:10:11,440 --> 00:10:13,760 Speaker 2: people are going to feel deeply about things that they've 192 00:10:13,760 --> 00:10:16,080 Speaker 2: been through that are traumatic, and I think so many 193 00:10:16,080 --> 00:10:19,240 Speaker 2: of our problems come from not being honest about some 194 00:10:19,320 --> 00:10:21,800 Speaker 2: of those traumas, and then they come out sideways, you know. 195 00:10:22,600 --> 00:10:25,720 Speaker 2: You start hurting yourself or others because you're actually not 196 00:10:25,760 --> 00:10:29,760 Speaker 2: dealing with what you're really feeling deep down. So and 197 00:10:29,800 --> 00:10:31,960 Speaker 2: I know that to be true. You know, I've spent 198 00:10:32,440 --> 00:10:34,800 Speaker 2: years in therapy unpacking a lot of my stuff and 199 00:10:35,160 --> 00:10:37,600 Speaker 2: getting to the heart of some of my self defeating 200 00:10:37,600 --> 00:10:40,679 Speaker 2: behaviors and realizing where they're coming from. And so much 201 00:10:40,720 --> 00:10:43,600 Speaker 2: of it's usually coming from some kind of pain or 202 00:10:43,679 --> 00:10:47,760 Speaker 2: hurt you know that you haven't dealt with. So yeah, 203 00:10:47,840 --> 00:10:50,200 Speaker 2: I think it's a really important thing to show that. 204 00:10:50,480 --> 00:10:54,319 Speaker 1: Especially with the character like this who goes through a lot. 205 00:10:54,640 --> 00:10:56,600 Speaker 1: I mean, some of the first things I come to mind, 206 00:10:56,600 --> 00:10:59,280 Speaker 1: it's the PTSD right from his time in the Marines 207 00:10:59,320 --> 00:11:03,160 Speaker 1: and struggles with alcohol, and there's a lot that you 208 00:11:03,240 --> 00:11:07,240 Speaker 1: deal with in this series. Does that affect you at all? 209 00:11:07,320 --> 00:11:10,880 Speaker 1: As Martin the human being? Like, what's your relationship like 210 00:11:11,000 --> 00:11:12,760 Speaker 1: with that kind of work that you have to do. 211 00:11:12,840 --> 00:11:14,480 Speaker 1: How does it affect you if at all? 212 00:11:15,280 --> 00:11:17,199 Speaker 2: No, I don't think it affects me. I think if 213 00:11:17,200 --> 00:11:20,360 Speaker 2: I hadn't looked at my shit, then it probably it would. 214 00:11:20,360 --> 00:11:24,240 Speaker 2: It would feel very confronting sort of. And I mean 215 00:11:24,280 --> 00:11:27,040 Speaker 2: I think whenever you realize there's a scene that requires 216 00:11:27,040 --> 00:11:30,319 Speaker 2: a certain amount of you know, as you said, vulnerability, 217 00:11:30,360 --> 00:11:33,800 Speaker 2: you know, and it requires a very specific sort of emotion. 218 00:11:34,640 --> 00:11:37,320 Speaker 2: There's always a fear in me leading up to that scene. 219 00:11:37,440 --> 00:11:39,080 Speaker 2: I just want it to get it shot and get 220 00:11:39,120 --> 00:11:41,560 Speaker 2: it out of the way, because there's this fear that 221 00:11:41,600 --> 00:11:43,760 Speaker 2: I won't be able to access that feeling or I 222 00:11:43,840 --> 00:11:45,720 Speaker 2: won't I won't do it in a manner that is 223 00:11:45,920 --> 00:11:49,960 Speaker 2: appropriate for the character. So for me, it's it's there's 224 00:11:49,960 --> 00:11:52,840 Speaker 2: some dread around it, but that's more of a performance thing. 225 00:11:52,880 --> 00:11:54,920 Speaker 2: It's not like, oh, I don't want to feel those feelings, 226 00:11:54,960 --> 00:11:57,440 Speaker 2: although it's not fun. I think it's more of a 227 00:11:57,480 --> 00:12:00,720 Speaker 2: professional insecurity, like, oh, I just want to deliver. 228 00:12:00,880 --> 00:12:01,560 Speaker 1: Because you're. 229 00:12:02,960 --> 00:12:04,080 Speaker 2: I do. I do greatly? 230 00:12:04,160 --> 00:12:04,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, I do. 231 00:12:05,280 --> 00:12:07,360 Speaker 2: And so I don't want to rip the audience off 232 00:12:07,400 --> 00:12:09,760 Speaker 2: and give them a sort of a lazy version. And 233 00:12:09,760 --> 00:12:12,400 Speaker 2: I don't want to rip myself off and go home 234 00:12:12,440 --> 00:12:15,200 Speaker 2: from work, you know, feeling that I didn't deliver. So 235 00:12:15,840 --> 00:12:18,440 Speaker 2: it's more about that for me. And then once it's done, 236 00:12:18,480 --> 00:12:20,480 Speaker 2: it's just a huge relief. I'm like, ah, thank God, 237 00:12:20,559 --> 00:12:22,880 Speaker 2: that's over. And you know, there might be a half 238 00:12:22,920 --> 00:12:25,160 Speaker 2: hour after the scene where those feelings are kind of 239 00:12:25,160 --> 00:12:28,800 Speaker 2: moving through your body, and it definitely, you know, if 240 00:12:28,800 --> 00:12:33,839 Speaker 2: they're real, then they do surface obviously, but then it's gone. 241 00:12:33,960 --> 00:12:36,960 Speaker 2: I think, you know, I'm just on to me again 242 00:12:37,000 --> 00:12:38,480 Speaker 2: and the next the next thing. 243 00:12:38,880 --> 00:12:41,480 Speaker 1: I like to hear when people like you, with your 244 00:12:41,559 --> 00:12:45,680 Speaker 1: level of talent and expertise, you know, do struggle with 245 00:12:45,720 --> 00:12:49,120 Speaker 1: those feelings of anxiety and worrying about the performance ahead 246 00:12:49,120 --> 00:12:51,520 Speaker 1: of time, because some might look at you and be like, oh, man, 247 00:12:51,600 --> 00:12:53,559 Speaker 1: he doesn't have to worry about any of that. He's 248 00:12:53,600 --> 00:12:55,920 Speaker 1: such a pro. But we're all human. Of course we 249 00:12:56,160 --> 00:12:59,079 Speaker 1: have our own anxieties, right, Oh, one hundred percent. 250 00:12:59,520 --> 00:13:02,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a double edged sword. I think it's a 251 00:13:02,000 --> 00:13:06,880 Speaker 2: healthy thing. Yeah. For me, it's a healthy fear because 252 00:13:06,920 --> 00:13:10,720 Speaker 2: fear can be a great motivator. And I was very, 253 00:13:11,000 --> 00:13:14,559 Speaker 2: very comforted by the fact that there was an article. 254 00:13:14,960 --> 00:13:17,560 Speaker 2: I forget the publication. It might have been Vanity Fair, 255 00:13:17,559 --> 00:13:19,800 Speaker 2: but it was an interview with Meryl Street. It was 256 00:13:19,880 --> 00:13:21,720 Speaker 2: quite a few years ago now, so I was still 257 00:13:21,880 --> 00:13:26,000 Speaker 2: relatively young actor. And in it she talks about how 258 00:13:26,080 --> 00:13:30,200 Speaker 2: before every new job that she's about to undertake, she's 259 00:13:30,440 --> 00:13:34,680 Speaker 2: overcome with so much fear and anxiety and self doubt 260 00:13:35,480 --> 00:13:38,520 Speaker 2: that she's convinced, beyond the shadow of it doubt, she's 261 00:13:38,559 --> 00:13:41,720 Speaker 2: absolutely convinced that this job that she's about to start 262 00:13:41,760 --> 00:13:45,000 Speaker 2: will be the one where everybody will see that she's 263 00:13:45,240 --> 00:13:48,000 Speaker 2: a phony, that she doesn't has no idea what she's doing, 264 00:13:48,520 --> 00:13:52,200 Speaker 2: and she'll finally be exposed and it grips her. And 265 00:13:52,280 --> 00:13:55,000 Speaker 2: I remember reading that going, oh, thank God, because she's 266 00:13:55,320 --> 00:13:59,840 Speaker 2: so good, she's so brilliant, you know, and I just 267 00:14:00,160 --> 00:14:02,920 Speaker 2: I hold her in such high esteem. I have so 268 00:14:03,000 --> 00:14:05,800 Speaker 2: much reverence for her talent and so, and that was 269 00:14:05,920 --> 00:14:08,200 Speaker 2: very comforting. I was like, Oh, it's okay. It's okay 270 00:14:08,240 --> 00:14:11,200 Speaker 2: to doubt yourself. The trick is to not let the 271 00:14:11,280 --> 00:14:14,960 Speaker 2: doubt pull you away from action, right. I think that's 272 00:14:15,160 --> 00:14:18,520 Speaker 2: that's the day is where as long as you keep 273 00:14:18,559 --> 00:14:20,920 Speaker 2: making a step forward, and it can be a baby step, 274 00:14:21,000 --> 00:14:24,120 Speaker 2: you know, and that step could literally just be calling 275 00:14:24,120 --> 00:14:26,920 Speaker 2: a friend or the director or someone and saying I'm 276 00:14:26,920 --> 00:14:30,760 Speaker 2: really scared or whatever and being honest about how you're feeling, 277 00:14:31,360 --> 00:14:34,920 Speaker 2: but just moving towards the challenge. So I think it 278 00:14:34,960 --> 00:14:37,400 Speaker 2: can be a healthy thing because it also it sort 279 00:14:37,440 --> 00:14:39,280 Speaker 2: of puts you on an edge in a good way 280 00:14:39,320 --> 00:14:42,480 Speaker 2: where you're like, Okay, I don't want to fail, so 281 00:14:42,560 --> 00:14:45,040 Speaker 2: I better bring my A game, you know. And if 282 00:14:45,040 --> 00:14:47,240 Speaker 2: you're not bringing your A game, then I feel like, 283 00:14:47,760 --> 00:14:49,320 Speaker 2: what are you doing it for? I feel like then 284 00:14:49,360 --> 00:14:53,960 Speaker 2: you're just going through the motions, and I don't want 285 00:14:53,960 --> 00:14:56,200 Speaker 2: to live like that, where you're just, you know, happy 286 00:14:56,240 --> 00:14:59,600 Speaker 2: with the mediocre version of your ability. But that's just 287 00:14:59,640 --> 00:15:08,680 Speaker 2: the first. 288 00:15:06,400 --> 00:15:10,680 Speaker 1: The holiday episodes that recently dropped, talk to me about those? 289 00:15:10,720 --> 00:15:12,640 Speaker 1: Were those so much fun to do? Did you always 290 00:15:12,680 --> 00:15:15,560 Speaker 1: want to do festive episodes? I mean that you were 291 00:15:15,560 --> 00:15:18,240 Speaker 1: given all the Christmas feels we were. 292 00:15:18,960 --> 00:15:21,600 Speaker 2: I loved doing it. I can't say it was something 293 00:15:21,760 --> 00:15:24,720 Speaker 2: I've never seen a Christmas show. It's I think it's 294 00:15:24,880 --> 00:15:27,920 Speaker 2: very American thing. From my understanding, it's kind of a 295 00:15:27,960 --> 00:15:31,480 Speaker 2: Hallmark tradition, right that they do Christmas movies or something, 296 00:15:31,760 --> 00:15:35,440 Speaker 2: so I'm aware of what they are. And this idea 297 00:15:35,520 --> 00:15:38,520 Speaker 2: was first proposed a couple of seasons ago. One of 298 00:15:38,600 --> 00:15:41,520 Speaker 2: the producers was sort of suggesting we might want to 299 00:15:41,560 --> 00:15:44,800 Speaker 2: do it, and in any event, you know, it happened 300 00:15:44,840 --> 00:15:47,840 Speaker 2: last season. But as soon as the idea was proposed, though, 301 00:15:47,880 --> 00:15:50,360 Speaker 2: I thought, what a great idea for this show, you know, 302 00:15:50,440 --> 00:15:53,840 Speaker 2: for these characters, for this town to give yourself even 303 00:15:53,880 --> 00:15:57,560 Speaker 2: more of an excuse to cultivate those warm, cozy feelings, 304 00:15:58,040 --> 00:15:59,720 Speaker 2: because that is, at the end of the day, what 305 00:15:59,760 --> 00:16:03,560 Speaker 2: the show really delivers on. And I think what people 306 00:16:03,600 --> 00:16:05,680 Speaker 2: come back for, you know, what we talked about earlier. 307 00:16:06,080 --> 00:16:07,880 Speaker 2: So it just seemed like such a good idea that 308 00:16:07,880 --> 00:16:10,240 Speaker 2: would be silly not to do it. So I went 309 00:16:10,280 --> 00:16:13,440 Speaker 2: into it, yeah, excited, and felt like it was a 310 00:16:13,520 --> 00:16:14,240 Speaker 2: really good. 311 00:16:14,040 --> 00:16:15,000 Speaker 3: Thing for the fans. 312 00:16:15,160 --> 00:16:20,040 Speaker 2: And you know, in particularly so last season, all of 313 00:16:20,080 --> 00:16:22,920 Speaker 2: the characters with the fire episodes, you know, were sort 314 00:16:22,920 --> 00:16:27,880 Speaker 2: of put in predicaments that were typically a lot heavier 315 00:16:27,920 --> 00:16:30,560 Speaker 2: than what previous seasons had had them really go through. 316 00:16:30,560 --> 00:16:33,840 Speaker 2: Although there was still a lot of raw emotion and whatnot, 317 00:16:34,200 --> 00:16:37,520 Speaker 2: it just had a heavier quality to it, you know, 318 00:16:37,520 --> 00:16:40,360 Speaker 2: and all the stuff that melon Jack went through. I 319 00:16:40,440 --> 00:16:43,120 Speaker 2: just thought it was imperative that we give the fans 320 00:16:43,320 --> 00:16:45,680 Speaker 2: that sort of end to the season, even though it 321 00:16:45,720 --> 00:16:48,320 Speaker 2: was sort of delayed, and it was fun to do, 322 00:16:49,040 --> 00:16:49,280 Speaker 2: you know. 323 00:16:49,560 --> 00:16:51,160 Speaker 3: I like doing light of stuff. 324 00:16:51,200 --> 00:16:53,840 Speaker 2: I feel like most of my career, for whatever reason, 325 00:16:53,880 --> 00:16:59,320 Speaker 2: has actually been on the more serious, dramatic side most 326 00:16:59,320 --> 00:16:59,600 Speaker 2: of it. 327 00:17:00,520 --> 00:17:03,680 Speaker 3: So any opportunity where I get to be lighter. 328 00:17:03,440 --> 00:17:05,600 Speaker 2: Or be a goofball, which is probably I think a 329 00:17:05,640 --> 00:17:08,040 Speaker 2: little more like how I am in real life. I'd 330 00:17:08,080 --> 00:17:09,960 Speaker 2: leaned into it, so I loved it. 331 00:17:10,000 --> 00:17:12,960 Speaker 1: Well, as did the fans the whole season five. I 332 00:17:12,960 --> 00:17:16,440 Speaker 1: think the fandom responded really well too. And I think 333 00:17:16,480 --> 00:17:19,280 Speaker 1: you've said season five was one of your favorites, Is 334 00:17:19,320 --> 00:17:19,720 Speaker 1: that right? 335 00:17:20,600 --> 00:17:23,440 Speaker 2: Yeah? I thought. I just thought the scripts were really 336 00:17:23,440 --> 00:17:27,440 Speaker 2: cohesive this season. I thought they made yeah, and look, 337 00:17:27,480 --> 00:17:30,080 Speaker 2: we had a new show runner, so there was inevitably 338 00:17:30,119 --> 00:17:33,520 Speaker 2: going to be an adjustment period where the new writers 339 00:17:33,520 --> 00:17:37,280 Speaker 2: were sort of feeling their way into the show because. 340 00:17:37,000 --> 00:17:39,400 Speaker 3: They're inherently going to bring a certain style and. 341 00:17:39,400 --> 00:17:43,879 Speaker 2: Taste and way they construct stories that are adherent to 342 00:17:43,920 --> 00:17:48,040 Speaker 2: them whilst remaining true to the show. And I think 343 00:17:48,560 --> 00:17:51,720 Speaker 2: the decision to change the writer from Netflix was one 344 00:17:51,800 --> 00:17:53,560 Speaker 2: because you know, and it's a beautiful thing. They went, 345 00:17:53,680 --> 00:17:58,160 Speaker 2: this show is obviously beloved and Netflix are really invested 346 00:17:58,160 --> 00:18:00,000 Speaker 2: in it, and they're like, we want to make sure 347 00:18:00,000 --> 00:18:02,120 Speaker 2: sure that the show could last as long as possible. 348 00:18:02,640 --> 00:18:05,200 Speaker 2: So I thought it was really exciting that they made 349 00:18:05,200 --> 00:18:08,760 Speaker 2: that commitment to the show. And like anything, whenever you change, 350 00:18:08,840 --> 00:18:10,639 Speaker 2: you know, there's always going to be a breath of 351 00:18:10,680 --> 00:18:13,920 Speaker 2: fresh air with a new whatever. So I just thought 352 00:18:14,040 --> 00:18:16,640 Speaker 2: it changed the show a little bit. And I think 353 00:18:16,720 --> 00:18:21,440 Speaker 2: these writers are really committed to telling stories that open 354 00:18:21,480 --> 00:18:23,920 Speaker 2: the show up a bit, which I think is really cool, 355 00:18:24,520 --> 00:18:27,480 Speaker 2: and developing some of the other characters. Yeah, I did 356 00:18:27,520 --> 00:18:29,640 Speaker 2: like season five they all kind of merged together, though 357 00:18:29,640 --> 00:18:31,320 Speaker 2: I'm trying to think of other seasons. 358 00:18:31,680 --> 00:18:34,000 Speaker 1: I'm sure they do. I'm sure they do. And you 359 00:18:34,080 --> 00:18:37,760 Speaker 1: have season six coming up at some point. What's the 360 00:18:37,800 --> 00:18:39,760 Speaker 1: status with that. Have you started working on it? 361 00:18:40,200 --> 00:18:42,919 Speaker 2: No, we were scheduled to start in July, but of 362 00:18:42,960 --> 00:18:45,879 Speaker 2: course the writers went on strike in May. There was 363 00:18:45,960 --> 00:18:47,840 Speaker 2: talk for a moment that we because some of the 364 00:18:47,840 --> 00:18:50,840 Speaker 2: scripts had been completed, that maybe we'd do shoot half 365 00:18:50,840 --> 00:18:52,760 Speaker 2: the season, take a break, the strike could be over, 366 00:18:52,800 --> 00:18:55,280 Speaker 2: and we'd do the second half. And of course then 367 00:18:55,320 --> 00:18:59,520 Speaker 2: the one striker came two and whatnot. So we've just 368 00:18:59,680 --> 00:19:03,520 Speaker 2: based be waiting around, which was really tough because obviously 369 00:19:03,720 --> 00:19:07,800 Speaker 2: when the season five dropped, we weren't permitted to talk 370 00:19:07,800 --> 00:19:11,240 Speaker 2: about it, which is a very strange situation, Like obviously 371 00:19:11,240 --> 00:19:14,159 Speaker 2: this interview would have typically happened leading up to the 372 00:19:14,200 --> 00:19:18,000 Speaker 2: release of season five. And yeah, we weren't allowed, So 373 00:19:18,080 --> 00:19:20,240 Speaker 2: it felt strange to have kind of a gag order 374 00:19:20,280 --> 00:19:24,480 Speaker 2: on your ability to just interact with fans that we 375 00:19:24,600 --> 00:19:27,800 Speaker 2: knew were really excited about the new season and not 376 00:19:28,119 --> 00:19:30,800 Speaker 2: to be a part of that force out there and 377 00:19:30,960 --> 00:19:34,800 Speaker 2: just having a relationship with the fans and feeling their 378 00:19:34,840 --> 00:19:38,359 Speaker 2: anticipation was a bit of a bummer, but strikes over. 379 00:19:38,480 --> 00:19:40,399 Speaker 2: So now we're getting ready to go back, and I 380 00:19:40,440 --> 00:19:43,040 Speaker 2: think the producers and they're just getting all the trains 381 00:19:43,040 --> 00:19:45,879 Speaker 2: back on the tracks and dusting off the sets and 382 00:19:45,920 --> 00:19:48,600 Speaker 2: the costumes and we'll back at it soon. Yeah. 383 00:19:48,720 --> 00:19:51,160 Speaker 1: Well, what's so cool about a streaming show is there's 384 00:19:51,160 --> 00:19:54,240 Speaker 1: a lot of people who will watch and Rewatch and 385 00:19:54,280 --> 00:19:57,639 Speaker 1: Rewatch again and take time over the holidays to binge 386 00:19:57,680 --> 00:20:01,080 Speaker 1: their favorite parts or seasons or episodes. So I do 387 00:20:01,320 --> 00:20:04,360 Speaker 1: like that, while it was unfortunate you guys can't talk 388 00:20:04,400 --> 00:20:07,480 Speaker 1: about it in real time, things like this will live 389 00:20:07,520 --> 00:20:10,240 Speaker 1: on and excite the fans again to make them jump 390 00:20:10,280 --> 00:20:13,000 Speaker 1: back into it. So I think it's really cool and 391 00:20:13,080 --> 00:20:15,000 Speaker 1: at testament to your point of the fandom of the 392 00:20:15,000 --> 00:20:18,560 Speaker 1: show that people are so invested in constantly want content 393 00:20:18,720 --> 00:20:22,359 Speaker 1: featuring you guys. Another thing that I think is really interesting. 394 00:20:22,640 --> 00:20:24,960 Speaker 1: Is you've obviously been part of the show for five 395 00:20:25,040 --> 00:20:28,239 Speaker 1: six seasons now going on six, I should say, do 396 00:20:28,280 --> 00:20:32,240 Speaker 1: you feel like you've changed and grown as a person 397 00:20:32,280 --> 00:20:37,119 Speaker 1: through playing this character in different ways? Or I guess 398 00:20:37,119 --> 00:20:39,679 Speaker 1: my question is what is your relationship with who you 399 00:20:39,760 --> 00:20:42,399 Speaker 1: were in season one versus who you are today? Is 400 00:20:42,400 --> 00:20:45,320 Speaker 1: it an interesting process to see how you change throughout 401 00:20:45,320 --> 00:20:46,680 Speaker 1: doing something like this show. 402 00:20:48,400 --> 00:20:51,520 Speaker 2: It's a really good question. I've never thought about it 403 00:20:51,560 --> 00:20:58,560 Speaker 2: other than I've gotten a bit older, a bit grayer. Gosh, Yeah, 404 00:20:59,040 --> 00:21:01,359 Speaker 2: I'm sure. I hope I have, because I feel like 405 00:21:02,280 --> 00:21:06,080 Speaker 2: I believe strongly that that if you're not sort of growing, 406 00:21:06,920 --> 00:21:09,600 Speaker 2: then you sort of tread water. And then if you're 407 00:21:09,600 --> 00:21:11,800 Speaker 2: treading water for too long, it's inevitable there's sort of 408 00:21:12,480 --> 00:21:15,719 Speaker 2: entropy that comes in and pulls you backwards. So and 409 00:21:15,760 --> 00:21:18,600 Speaker 2: that's just a belief of mine. So I hope that 410 00:21:18,640 --> 00:21:22,080 Speaker 2: I've grown. Yeah, I mean a lot's changed the show. 411 00:21:22,280 --> 00:21:26,280 Speaker 2: I think having such a consistent show, even though it 412 00:21:26,320 --> 00:21:29,000 Speaker 2: wasn't really I don't think till about season three where 413 00:21:29,040 --> 00:21:31,359 Speaker 2: Alex and I both were like, oh, the show really 414 00:21:31,400 --> 00:21:33,520 Speaker 2: is successful, I think we were like kind of a 415 00:21:33,560 --> 00:21:37,280 Speaker 2: bit unsure. Is it really people really love it like 416 00:21:37,480 --> 00:21:39,800 Speaker 2: and then I think by about season three it became 417 00:21:39,920 --> 00:21:44,200 Speaker 2: quite evident. And so the idea of being something on 418 00:21:44,240 --> 00:21:48,679 Speaker 2: a show that's such an ongoing concern is quite unique. 419 00:21:48,760 --> 00:21:51,920 Speaker 2: And most shows, you know, last a couple of seasons, 420 00:21:52,160 --> 00:21:56,560 Speaker 2: maybe maybe three. So that in and of itself, and 421 00:21:56,600 --> 00:21:58,359 Speaker 2: I don't know if that's about changing me, but just 422 00:21:58,400 --> 00:22:01,679 Speaker 2: in terms of life and having a consistency and something 423 00:22:01,720 --> 00:22:03,720 Speaker 2: to kind of go oh, so I'll probably be doing 424 00:22:03,760 --> 00:22:07,320 Speaker 2: that next year. Has allowed me to look at some 425 00:22:07,400 --> 00:22:10,560 Speaker 2: of the more practical aspects of my life. And I mean, 426 00:22:10,560 --> 00:22:12,920 Speaker 2: you know, I'm basically living in New Zealand. Now. 427 00:22:13,520 --> 00:22:16,320 Speaker 3: There's just a lot of things that have changed for me. 428 00:22:17,560 --> 00:22:21,480 Speaker 2: But I think one thing that's probably true having been 429 00:22:21,600 --> 00:22:23,679 Speaker 2: part and I don't want to say this because it 430 00:22:23,680 --> 00:22:25,919 Speaker 2: makes me sound like I was a real horrible cynic, 431 00:22:26,280 --> 00:22:29,720 Speaker 2: I don't think that's true. But having been on a 432 00:22:29,800 --> 00:22:33,040 Speaker 2: show that is like you know, we talked about so 433 00:22:33,240 --> 00:22:40,120 Speaker 2: unapologetically feel good. It deals with love and community and 434 00:22:40,960 --> 00:22:44,920 Speaker 2: sort of there's so much tender moments within the show 435 00:22:44,960 --> 00:22:48,919 Speaker 2: with all the characters. I think that's probably shifted some 436 00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:52,000 Speaker 2: of my idea about the kind of work that I 437 00:22:52,040 --> 00:22:54,920 Speaker 2: would typically do, because, like I said, most roles I've 438 00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:58,879 Speaker 2: done haven't been in this particular vein, and I was 439 00:22:58,920 --> 00:23:01,959 Speaker 2: probably a bit unsure sure about it. I was like, oh, okay, 440 00:23:02,280 --> 00:23:04,800 Speaker 2: But having done years of it and how much people 441 00:23:04,840 --> 00:23:08,640 Speaker 2: love it, it's definitely shifted my ideas around what kind 442 00:23:08,640 --> 00:23:10,400 Speaker 2: of content I would want to do in the future. 443 00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:14,000 Speaker 2: So that's probably one of the ways in which I've changed. 444 00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:17,400 Speaker 2: I'm just probably more open to this sort of material, 445 00:23:17,440 --> 00:23:20,359 Speaker 2: whereas before I was a bit unsure about it. I 446 00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:22,520 Speaker 2: was like, Oh, this could be really cheesy, you know, 447 00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:24,520 Speaker 2: and I did not want it to be really cheesy, 448 00:23:25,280 --> 00:23:28,520 Speaker 2: And I think you can be really sweet and heartfelt 449 00:23:28,560 --> 00:23:35,040 Speaker 2: without being cheesy. 450 00:23:35,520 --> 00:23:37,800 Speaker 1: It's really cool to see how appreciative you are of 451 00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:40,360 Speaker 1: this role and for the show, and like I said, 452 00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:43,440 Speaker 1: for the fandom. It's very evident to me, and also 453 00:23:43,480 --> 00:23:45,840 Speaker 1: evidence just seems like you're in a very peaceful place 454 00:23:45,840 --> 00:23:47,880 Speaker 1: in your life. I know you just mentioned New Zealand, 455 00:23:47,880 --> 00:23:50,119 Speaker 1: and that's where you live. I think that would surprise 456 00:23:50,160 --> 00:23:52,040 Speaker 1: a lot of people. You would think La or New 457 00:23:52,119 --> 00:23:54,639 Speaker 1: York because of what you do, But it seems important 458 00:23:54,640 --> 00:23:57,480 Speaker 1: for you to protect your peace, is that right? 459 00:23:58,280 --> 00:24:03,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, You're very astute. Yeah. Is it that evident, honey? 460 00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:08,000 Speaker 2: It is it is, you know. I maybe it's getting 461 00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:11,439 Speaker 2: older and going through your twenties or your teens and 462 00:24:11,480 --> 00:24:14,719 Speaker 2: your twenty you know, and dealing with all the turmoil 463 00:24:14,840 --> 00:24:17,880 Speaker 2: of puberty and trying to figure out who you are 464 00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:20,720 Speaker 2: in the world, and all the sort of silly, dark 465 00:24:20,800 --> 00:24:23,679 Speaker 2: roads you work down trying to find yourself, and all 466 00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:27,280 Speaker 2: the chaos that ensues from just kind of growing up. 467 00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:31,720 Speaker 2: Once I started to work on myself, and I think 468 00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:35,359 Speaker 2: one thing that became very evident is just how much 469 00:24:35,400 --> 00:24:40,280 Speaker 2: I cherish a sense of peace of I don't know 470 00:24:40,280 --> 00:24:44,399 Speaker 2: what the word is, yeah, but it's just yeah, just 471 00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:47,879 Speaker 2: being at ease, you know, and finding that well. I 472 00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:50,760 Speaker 2: think a lot of it's just self love too. I 473 00:24:50,800 --> 00:24:52,159 Speaker 2: don't know if this is the right time, but I 474 00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:53,719 Speaker 2: know that the title of your show is you know 475 00:24:54,240 --> 00:24:57,000 Speaker 2: something I haven't said before? What's the phrase? 476 00:24:57,280 --> 00:24:59,879 Speaker 1: Yes, I've never said this before? And if there's something 477 00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:03,080 Speaker 1: feel like sharing? Now go ahead, my man? All you well? 478 00:25:03,119 --> 00:25:06,440 Speaker 2: It was this questions plagued me a little bit ever 479 00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:08,159 Speaker 2: since I read that, because I was like, oh, what 480 00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:10,920 Speaker 2: have I not said? I thought, Oh, maybe I'll say 481 00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:13,040 Speaker 2: I'm just getting too old for this shit. But I've 482 00:25:13,080 --> 00:25:16,960 Speaker 2: definitely said that before, that's about stunts because I keep 483 00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:19,560 Speaker 2: hurting myself. But I was like, oh, so I say 484 00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:22,360 Speaker 2: something silly, what's something deep and meaningful? Oh? 485 00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:23,440 Speaker 3: I can't think of anything. 486 00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:25,080 Speaker 2: But then the one thing that did come to me, 487 00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:28,400 Speaker 2: because obviously the whole point of the question is sort 488 00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:31,960 Speaker 2: of hopefully to connect with the viewership, you know, and 489 00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:34,600 Speaker 2: share this idea that we all have things that we 490 00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:37,320 Speaker 2: struggle with. And I think for me it was I 491 00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:40,240 Speaker 2: wish that I had learned to love myself a bit earlier. 492 00:25:41,280 --> 00:25:44,879 Speaker 2: I think there was a lot of time where I 493 00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:49,240 Speaker 2: wasn't forced to kind of confront how I was treating myself. 494 00:25:50,119 --> 00:25:53,400 Speaker 2: And when I started to do that, I think one 495 00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:56,199 Speaker 2: thing that became very evident was how much I cherish 496 00:25:56,760 --> 00:25:59,760 Speaker 2: what you're talking about, a sense of just self love 497 00:25:59,800 --> 00:26:04,359 Speaker 2: and and keeping things kind of simple and real and 498 00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:07,239 Speaker 2: not getting caught up in the fan fear and the 499 00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:11,400 Speaker 2: nonsense and the I don't know, there's just the drama. 500 00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:15,000 Speaker 2: You know, there's so much drama in the world everywhere, 501 00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:18,199 Speaker 2: and it feels like now more than ever too, you know, 502 00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:22,160 Speaker 2: social media. If someone posts something and then everyone argues 503 00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:24,480 Speaker 2: back and forth, and I'm just like, oh, I'm just 504 00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:27,240 Speaker 2: so not interested in that. So I do. I really, 505 00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:31,199 Speaker 2: I do feel like part of loving myself is just 506 00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:35,920 Speaker 2: keeping my life really simple and true and peaceful. Yeah. 507 00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:39,119 Speaker 1: That's very inspiring, man, And I appreciate you opening up 508 00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:41,040 Speaker 1: about that because I think a lot of people do 509 00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:44,320 Speaker 1: go through that, and it's okay to have gone through 510 00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:47,560 Speaker 1: that and felt that and realize that maybe we all 511 00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:50,879 Speaker 1: weren't great to ourselves, you know, in our younger years, 512 00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:53,480 Speaker 1: but now you can be and it's never too late. 513 00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:56,680 Speaker 1: And I just, man, when you put it like that, 514 00:26:57,240 --> 00:27:02,159 Speaker 1: it makes me feel so at peace and wanting to it. 515 00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:05,080 Speaker 1: Does I feel like you know that app Calm on 516 00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:05,639 Speaker 1: your phone? 517 00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:07,520 Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah I do. Yeah. 518 00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:09,760 Speaker 1: I feel like I just had an experience listening to 519 00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:12,520 Speaker 1: that app because you were so eloquent and so calming 520 00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:14,880 Speaker 1: when you were describing that process. And I think that's 521 00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:17,040 Speaker 1: so cool. And I just I feel like a nice 522 00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:19,720 Speaker 1: way to wrap up this conversation while we're on this 523 00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:22,639 Speaker 1: topic is I would love to know from you what 524 00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:25,800 Speaker 1: are three things you do in your life to maintain 525 00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:28,159 Speaker 1: that sense of peace, whether it's an activity or a 526 00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:31,560 Speaker 1: practice or whatever it may be. What are three different 527 00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:33,760 Speaker 1: things that you do to get that piece, or three 528 00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:35,000 Speaker 1: things that bring you peace. 529 00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:38,959 Speaker 2: Well, I think you mentioned calm, which is obviously a 530 00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:43,560 Speaker 2: sort of mindful meditation app I've never used calm. I've 531 00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:48,239 Speaker 2: used some of this stuff, but meditation is something I 532 00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:53,080 Speaker 2: had a couple of really freaky experiences in my late teens, 533 00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:56,399 Speaker 2: and a little bit after that made real my t 534 00:27:57,359 --> 00:28:01,320 Speaker 2: where I just sort of whatever reason, and not even 535 00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:05,360 Speaker 2: that intentionally, I kind of almost accidentally tapped into kind 536 00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:09,439 Speaker 2: of a I guess, a mind state that was just 537 00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:12,920 Speaker 2: where all the chatter dropped away, and it was this 538 00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:16,640 Speaker 2: feeling of connectedness. And it's really interesting because it kind 539 00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:20,119 Speaker 2: of happened accidentally, but it was so profound and it 540 00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:23,680 Speaker 2: left such a mark on me. It was very clear 541 00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:26,240 Speaker 2: to me that all of the stuff that we get 542 00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:29,280 Speaker 2: preoccupied with in the world, and the external things that 543 00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:32,280 Speaker 2: were chasing and particularly in our own mind, the chatter 544 00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:36,240 Speaker 2: was all just sort of an illusion, and beyond all that, 545 00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:39,760 Speaker 2: there is an underneath everything, There is this sense of calm, 546 00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:42,760 Speaker 2: I guess is one way to describe it. And so 547 00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:47,560 Speaker 2: I found that meditation helps me reconnect to that and 548 00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:50,920 Speaker 2: just drop out of my mind because my mind can 549 00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:54,960 Speaker 2: tell me from literally within one minute, it could throw 550 00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:57,680 Speaker 2: up four or five ideas that I might want to 551 00:28:57,680 --> 00:29:00,480 Speaker 2: get attached to about who I am, who I should be, Well, 552 00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:03,280 Speaker 2: I shouldn't be what you know I should, yeah, and 553 00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:05,960 Speaker 2: it's all it's all just fucking nonsense in the head. 554 00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:11,120 Speaker 2: The meditation is a huge way I try to detach 555 00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:14,120 Speaker 2: from all that. So that's really important, and I don't 556 00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:16,640 Speaker 2: do it as much as I should. I'm fortunate that 557 00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:21,120 Speaker 2: my partner is really good at meditating. She meditates a lot, 558 00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:26,520 Speaker 2: like when she's good, twice a day, but every day religiously. 559 00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:27,600 Speaker 3: And she's a very beautiful person. 560 00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:30,160 Speaker 2: She doesn't pressure me or sort of point out when 561 00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:32,000 Speaker 2: I'm not doing it, but she would just be sitting 562 00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:34,240 Speaker 2: there on the sofa doing the thing, and I'm like, oh, 563 00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:39,320 Speaker 2: I better meditate. So that's huge. Being in nature is 564 00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:42,920 Speaker 2: huge for me. I just get such a sense of 565 00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:47,680 Speaker 2: connectedness and peace and inspiration, you know, if I'm in 566 00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:50,440 Speaker 2: nature in a mindful way. I mean, it's one thing 567 00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:52,280 Speaker 2: to go for a walk and just be thinking about 568 00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:55,040 Speaker 2: your problems, you know, or your ambitions, but to actually 569 00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:58,480 Speaker 2: just be present. And of course meditation lends itself to 570 00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:01,840 Speaker 2: that ability, and and I noticed everything I see in 571 00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:04,000 Speaker 2: the design of a leaf, or the you know, the 572 00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:07,560 Speaker 2: the camouflage of a bark on a tree trunk, or 573 00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:11,720 Speaker 2: the sounder a bird wing, or the way water moves 574 00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:14,640 Speaker 2: over a rock, or just stuff. If I'm really present, 575 00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:19,200 Speaker 2: I get such a deep joy or contentment, because it's 576 00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:22,640 Speaker 2: not happiness like that kind of dopamine or whatever, that 577 00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:27,040 Speaker 2: sort of high. It's more of a real deep sense 578 00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:30,120 Speaker 2: of being at one with the natural world. And I 579 00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:32,920 Speaker 2: think for me it's imperative because that allows me to 580 00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:36,960 Speaker 2: be one with myself. Because Carl Jung I think he 581 00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:40,360 Speaker 2: said once that when a man is divorced from nature, 582 00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:43,680 Speaker 2: he's divorced from himself. So for me those that's the 583 00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:47,520 Speaker 2: second one. And then I think the third one is 584 00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:51,200 Speaker 2: to do fun things with people I love, because then 585 00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:53,960 Speaker 2: I get to share whatever joy I'm generating from these 586 00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:56,719 Speaker 2: other practices. I think even the Buddha said he had 587 00:30:56,760 --> 00:30:58,760 Speaker 2: to come down from the mountain and be in the 588 00:30:58,800 --> 00:31:01,440 Speaker 2: real world, you know. And I think for me that 589 00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:03,200 Speaker 2: sort of is this idea. You can go into all 590 00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:07,560 Speaker 2: these solitary pursuits of mindfulness and calm and whatnot. But 591 00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:11,520 Speaker 2: if I'm not sharing that in a connected way with people, 592 00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:15,600 Speaker 2: it doesn't feel as rips and that can be anything. 593 00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:19,400 Speaker 2: I love almost any dynamic moving sport. I love to 594 00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:22,400 Speaker 2: be in the water. I love to spearfish, scuba, dive, 595 00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:29,320 Speaker 2: water ski, snowski, mountain bike, road bike, kite surfing, you know, 596 00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:32,160 Speaker 2: whatever it is. I just and that feeling of doing 597 00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:34,800 Speaker 2: something like that with a community and then coming up 598 00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:37,640 Speaker 2: from a dive and saying, oh mate, did you see that? 599 00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:41,000 Speaker 2: Yeah that mentor ray, oh my god, or the way 600 00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:44,800 Speaker 2: the light was coming through the water, and yeah, I 601 00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:46,200 Speaker 2: love doing that sort of stuff. 602 00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:48,800 Speaker 1: People are listening right now. We're gearing up for the 603 00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:53,000 Speaker 1: new year, and those are things worth remembering to kick 604 00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:56,360 Speaker 1: off the new year and be a little better to ourselves. 605 00:31:56,360 --> 00:31:58,520 Speaker 1: The world is crazy, as you said earlier, and there's 606 00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:00,560 Speaker 1: a lot going on. So any chance we can take 607 00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:04,600 Speaker 1: to find that piece, I'm all for. Martin. I always 608 00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:06,400 Speaker 1: love chatting with you. I've got to tell you, when 609 00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:09,680 Speaker 1: this show was born back in the summer, I have 610 00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:13,520 Speaker 1: consistently had people messaging me monthly saying to get you on. 611 00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:17,920 Speaker 1: You have been a top requested guest, so I am 612 00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:19,560 Speaker 1: glad we could finally do this. 613 00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:22,440 Speaker 2: Oh well, thanks well, and I'll just end by saying too, 614 00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:25,120 Speaker 2: because I don't want to go into it, but it's 615 00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:28,240 Speaker 2: probably a good opportunity because obviously there was a strike 616 00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:32,120 Speaker 2: and I wasn't permitted to talk about anything related to 617 00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:36,040 Speaker 2: the show, and then around the release of the show, 618 00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:38,840 Speaker 2: I actually I had a bit of a health scare 619 00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:40,719 Speaker 2: and I had to go into hospital and I had 620 00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:43,080 Speaker 2: to do two surgeries kind of back to back, and 621 00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:45,880 Speaker 2: then I had a pretty extensive recovery, and so it's 622 00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:47,920 Speaker 2: just it'd been a real rough time, and I think 623 00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:50,000 Speaker 2: a lot of people were sort of like, why isn't 624 00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:53,480 Speaker 2: he talking about the show. He doesn't care about versus 625 00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:57,280 Speaker 2: River anymore. Someone sent me some comments and I was like, 626 00:32:57,280 --> 00:32:59,600 Speaker 2: oh my god, but I was literally so I would 627 00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:03,239 Speaker 2: have very much eagerly liked to have participated in an 628 00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:06,400 Speaker 2: interview earlier. But yeah, it was just sort of a 629 00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:09,640 Speaker 2: challenging couple of months. So I just wanted to put 630 00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:11,200 Speaker 2: that out there because it kind of hurt me a 631 00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:15,440 Speaker 2: bit that people would insinuate that I somehow didn't care 632 00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:18,880 Speaker 2: about the show. Therefore, it kind of in the same 633 00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:20,800 Speaker 2: brit sounds like I don't care about the fans and 634 00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:22,840 Speaker 2: that couldn't be further from the truth, So I just 635 00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:25,200 Speaker 2: I wanted to put that out there too. Yeah. 636 00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:27,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, And what I'll say is I reached out to 637 00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:30,040 Speaker 1: you as soon as the strike ended and I said, hey, man, 638 00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:31,400 Speaker 1: we'd love to have you on the show now that 639 00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:33,880 Speaker 1: you can talk about Virgin River, and let's get you 640 00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:36,160 Speaker 1: on and have some good conversation. And right away you 641 00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:39,280 Speaker 1: were like, yes, absolutely, let's do it. You couldn't have 642 00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:41,560 Speaker 1: been more excited and thrilled to be here and be 643 00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:44,200 Speaker 1: a part of this. So I know from firsthand experience 644 00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:46,800 Speaker 1: that everything you just said is right on and you 645 00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:49,400 Speaker 1: were so psyched to be here. And like I said, man, 646 00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:52,120 Speaker 1: it's always a pleasure. I appreciate the depth you bring 647 00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:54,320 Speaker 1: to an interview, and I love that we can talk 648 00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:56,600 Speaker 1: about the show and have fun and celebrate the fandom 649 00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:59,120 Speaker 1: and why people love it, but then also talk about 650 00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:01,960 Speaker 1: a lot of things that maybe people don't connect you 651 00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:03,719 Speaker 1: with and now get to know you a little deeper 652 00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:06,560 Speaker 1: and can be more seen by you in a way 653 00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:08,600 Speaker 1: because they feel like, well, Martin's gone through this and 654 00:34:08,640 --> 00:34:11,359 Speaker 1: he knows what this feeling is like, and he's not 655 00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:13,560 Speaker 1: just an actor, he's a human being, which I think 656 00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:16,000 Speaker 1: people can forget sometimes when they fall in love with 657 00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:19,279 Speaker 1: the character. So I love bringing that human element to 658 00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:21,960 Speaker 1: the world. And I really appreciate you being here. 659 00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:24,360 Speaker 3: Oh, thanks man, it means a lot. And yeah, and 660 00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:25,520 Speaker 3: thank you for your service. 661 00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:27,920 Speaker 2: And also, you know, I just want to acknowledge too. 662 00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:29,880 Speaker 2: I know I reached out in the wake of the 663 00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:35,640 Speaker 2: Maui disaster and your involvement and commitment to supporting that 664 00:34:35,680 --> 00:34:37,680 Speaker 2: community and you know, being a part of that. I 665 00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:40,640 Speaker 2: just you know, I think what you're endeavoring to do 666 00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:45,360 Speaker 2: with your platform and your skill set is really admirable 667 00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:47,800 Speaker 2: as well. So right back at you, buddy. 668 00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:51,120 Speaker 1: Ah, thank you brother. We're all in this together. Well, 669 00:34:51,160 --> 00:34:54,200 Speaker 1: congratulations to you on all of your success. You know 670 00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:57,319 Speaker 1: I'm always cheering you on and you are welcome back anytime. 671 00:34:57,920 --> 00:35:00,680 Speaker 2: Thanks man, I'll see you again. Maybe I'll see an season. 672 00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:03,520 Speaker 1: Yes, I hope. So all right, b well and happy holidays, 673 00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:04,440 Speaker 1: Happy New Year. 674 00:35:04,719 --> 00:35:08,840 Speaker 2: Yeah man, Happy holidays. Thanks for having me, Bud, I've. 675 00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:11,920 Speaker 1: Never said this before. 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