Speaker 1: Hi everyone, Happy Halloween. Welcome the Mother Knows Death. We
Speaker 1: have a very special Halloween themed episode for you guys today.
Speaker 1: Let's start with the best part of Halloween, which is
Speaker 1: the candy. Yes, the candy is the best part of Halloween.
Speaker 1: I actually bought all my Halloween candy yesterday, and I
Speaker 1: purposely didn't buy regular M and ms because I knew
Speaker 1: I would eat a million of them. Yeah, I'm really
Speaker 1: regretting the bag, the giant bag I bought of Totti
Speaker 1: rolls because I probably ate twenty of them between last
Speaker 1: night and this morning. I did eat a shit ton
Speaker 1: of tottsi Rolls too. Do you know that New Jersey
Speaker 1: was voted to their favorite candy as tottsi Rolls? Really?
Speaker 1: And some people think that that's so gross, but I
Speaker 1: could they're like up there with that for sure. I
Speaker 1: think people generally think I'm a grandmother, but really because
Speaker 1: I eat so many Toati rolls and just do like
Speaker 1: old people things like that. So I don't know. Everybody's
Speaker 1: been making fun of me for eating You have bridge
Speaker 1: mix in your house, that's no, that's that's the real
Speaker 1: test of an old person. So with Halloween candy, there's
Speaker 1: all of these different things that we need to be
Speaker 1: aware of, unfortunately, because there's been some real life incidents
Speaker 1: of things happening with them. And one of the biggest
Speaker 1: things that's been happening for the past couple of years
Speaker 1: is the DEA putting out alerts to be aware of
Speaker 1: what drugs are going around that potentially could look like
Speaker 1: candy to children. Yeah, so a couple of years ago,
Speaker 1: we had written this huge post about, you know, the
Speaker 1: dangers of Halloween candy in the grocery room, and you
Speaker 1: included a picture of these ventanyl pills that were these
Speaker 1: like small multi colored rainbow pills, right, and they look
Speaker 1: exactly like those many sweet arts to me that you
Speaker 1: could buy at the movie theater. You know, yeah, they
Speaker 1: really do. So that's why they have to issue the
Speaker 1: warning because they look just like candy and anything that
Speaker 1: looks like that is going to be attractive to children,
Speaker 1: you know. So. And another thing is is that they
Speaker 1: found that people were smuggling drugs in through candy wrappers too,
Speaker 1: so in bags of Skittles, in boxes of nerds, and listen,
Speaker 1: I don't think that any I mean, you can't say
Speaker 1: that because some other stories we're going to talk about
Speaker 1: later this week. But in general, I can't see why
Speaker 1: a person would intentionally give your child drugs because number one,
Speaker 1: it's just gross and stadistic to poison a child or
Speaker 1: to give a child drugs. But number two, why would
Speaker 1: they give your child something that's worth so much more
Speaker 1: than a box of nerds. I think the problem is
Speaker 1: is that you go to there's fifty houses around your neighborhood, right,
Speaker 1: and you go to all these houses, and you don't
Speaker 1: know who lives in every single house, and there could
Speaker 1: be a person there that also sell drugs or has
Speaker 1: them in their house, and it could accidentally get mixed
Speaker 1: in with the kids stuff. So that's I think that's
Speaker 1: the concern of that, more so than people intentionally trying
Speaker 1: to give it to kids. Yeah, and then generally there's
Speaker 1: just the concern of choking because for a lot of
Speaker 1: these Halloween candies, they're making them what they call like
Speaker 1: fun size, so that you can give out these little
Speaker 1: pieces and not everybody's having full sized bars. But I
Speaker 1: feel like that also poses serious threats to little kids.
Speaker 1: One of the biggest ones I was always scared of
Speaker 1: is those little dumb dumb pops because they come on
Speaker 1: a stick, but they're the perfect size circle for a
Speaker 1: child to have an asphyxial death to choke on. And
Speaker 1: there's been times when I was a kid, and even
Speaker 1: as an adult, I don't really like them because they're
Speaker 1: too the paper gets too wet and gross for me.
Speaker 1: I'm not not a huge fan of them now. But
Speaker 1: as a kid, you know, just because the stick of
Speaker 1: it is made out of paper, it disintegrates with your
Speaker 1: saliva and the head of the lollipop could pop off
Speaker 1: in a child's mouth, or if they chew on the
Speaker 1: stick and it then it's a super huge choking hazard
Speaker 1: because it's a perfect size for a child. And then
Speaker 1: there's the foreign bodies, which, of course, when you're thinking
Speaker 1: about it, we are typically talking about ones that people
Speaker 1: are sticking in parts of their body where they really
Speaker 1: shouldn't be down there. But of course there's children every
Speaker 1: year that are sticking candy up their noses in their
Speaker 1: ears apparently nerds clusters or like the number one candy
Speaker 1: that fits best in the ear and causes a lot
Speaker 1: of problems. And then there's this one story of this
Speaker 1: child that went to the er because he stuck a
Speaker 1: black jelly bean up his nose, and his parents weren't
Speaker 1: able to get it out for hours. And when they
Speaker 1: brought him to the hospital and they were finally able
Speaker 1: to get it out, the parents were expecting him to find,
Speaker 1: you know, one solid jelly bean when they were removing it,
Speaker 1: but it was this giant glob because the exterior candy
Speaker 1: shell had melted off of it and it just started like,
Speaker 1: you know, just integrating slowly. So well, think about this
Speaker 1: your bodies ninety eight degree, right, and then you put
Speaker 1: a jelly bean on there, of course it's going to
Speaker 1: kind of melt. It would be the same thing as
Speaker 1: if you left it outside on a hot summer day.
Speaker 1: That's exactly what happened. It melted up in the kid's nose.
Speaker 1: And for me personally, I love the smell of that
Speaker 1: fake annis licorice smell, but most kids hate the black
Speaker 1: jelly bean. Right, maybe you could put it up as
Speaker 1: nose and that its need, But imagine just that smell
Speaker 1: just being like stuck up your nose. I imagine even
Speaker 1: when you take it out, it's just like a very
Speaker 1: lingering smell. You know. It's interesting. Momm's favorite candy was
Speaker 1: always good in plenty, and I always just just like
Speaker 1: this lady is so freaking weird, Like she likes licorice flavor.
Speaker 1: And another weird thing she does is she likes the
Speaker 1: yellow part of the egg. She doesn't like the white part.
Speaker 1: It just like blows my mind how weird that is. Well,
Speaker 1: you know, we went to Target yesterday to get candy.
Speaker 1: So it's a day before Halloween. It's pretty slim pickings.
Speaker 1: But there was like one variety bag that I consider
Speaker 1: old people candy. That there was a ton of bags
Speaker 1: of that because who wants that? Wait, which it was
Speaker 1: like butterfingers, No, butter fingers are good, No, But it
Speaker 1: was those weird those weird candies like almond es. I
Speaker 1: really like Almondjoys, but it's considered an old person candy
Speaker 1: for sure. The Mister Goodbar or whatever, you know, things
Speaker 1: like that. Yeah, kids, I don't think kids really like
Speaker 1: that stuff anymore. But the candies getting outrageously expensive, so
Speaker 1: maybe that bag was cheaper. I was. I also, you know,
Speaker 1: when we were at Target yes or, I also saw
Speaker 1: all of the pretzel I hated getting pretzels or Anything's
Speaker 1: gonna say that too. There was there was like popcorn
Speaker 1: like and it wasn't even buttery popcorn. It was just
Speaker 1: like no, no anything, no salt or anything popcorn, Like, Wow,
Speaker 1: that's so much fun. They had a bag of ghost
Speaker 1: shaped veggie straws, and I'm like, what kid wants veggie
Speaker 1: straws on Halloween? Everybody wants candy. Somebody in our neighborhood
Speaker 1: growing up, though, used to give out popcorn balls and
Speaker 1: those were pretty good. Yeah, but a popcorn ball is
Speaker 1: a Rice Christ retreat made out of popcorn, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm pretty so like of course, But getting back to it, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't think I've ever had the urge
Speaker 1: as a child to stick anything into my ear or
Speaker 1: my nose. But you hear about this all the time.
Speaker 1: We see it all the time. Yeah, I don't know
Speaker 1: if it's like a certain type of kid personality to
Speaker 1: do something like that, or they just accidentally go up there.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I also feel like I haven't had
Speaker 1: the urge to stick. This happened to a kid once
Speaker 1: when I was growing up that this kid apparently had
Speaker 1: really bad breath all the time, and they couldn't figure
Speaker 1: out why the kid had bad breath, And then they
Speaker 1: found out that the kid had stuck a pee up
Speaker 1: their nose months prior, and that's what was emitting the smell.
Speaker 1: It's just it's just really funny, right that you hear
Speaker 1: about that all the time. But the biggest thing with
Speaker 1: the foreign bodies though, is when people are sticking them
Speaker 1: in candy bars. There's been documentation of that. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: I was gonna ask you, I I feel like we
Speaker 1: checked my candy a little bit in the nineties, but
Speaker 1: not crazy. But when you were a kid, were you
Speaker 1: guys checking them a lot? Because there was a couple
Speaker 1: incidents in like the you know, ten to fifteen years
Speaker 1: before you were born, that some really horrible things happened.
Speaker 1: So Momum and Papa click on top of it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean we checker treated in our neighborhood, and I'm
Speaker 1: pretty sure that we knew every single house that we
Speaker 1: went to because we just lived in a little development
Speaker 1: and we knew almost every single person. But I think,
Speaker 1: like looking back as an adult, I'm like, oh, Pop
Speaker 1: Pop was totally checking my candy because he was like,
Speaker 1: what's in here that I want? I'm going to take
Speaker 1: out everything. It's a pretty good tactic, Honestly, it is
Speaker 1: the tactic I do it with my kids all the time.
Speaker 1: But it's completely bullshit. I'm not really looking for anything.
Speaker 1: I'm just looking for what for what I want. But
Speaker 1: now it's like whatever. They go to bed and I
Speaker 1: still read their shit. But yeah, so they did check.
Speaker 1: And I do remember mo Mom saying, because I always
Speaker 1: was like, what are you looking for? And they were
Speaker 1: like razor blades, razor blades, sewing needles, things like that.
Speaker 1: So so apparently this like fear started in the sixties
Speaker 1: because in nineteen sixty four, this woman in New York
Speaker 1: was arrested for giving children ant bait, dog biscuits and
Speaker 1: steel woolpads, not all with warning labels that they were poisonous. So,
Speaker 1: you know, how nice of her, how nice. But I
Speaker 1: think in her case, she was just like hated Halloween.
Speaker 1: She was very annoyed by the whole thing, obviously mentally disturbed,
Speaker 1: so that's the route she thought she needed a take,
Speaker 1: which is horrible. And then a couple of years later
Speaker 1: in Toronto police were finding razor blades in Halloween apples.
Speaker 1: So I guess when you were younger, giving away candied
Speaker 1: apples or maybe in like, you know, the fifties, sixties
Speaker 1: was like a bigger thing. So I'm assuming that started
Speaker 1: fading out because people started not trusting homemade goods anymore. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we used to get We had a house that gave
Speaker 1: out candied apples too, But now, like thinking about the
Speaker 1: hundreds of people that are going to be coming to
Speaker 1: my house tonight, Like, who the hell is time for
Speaker 1: that shit anymore? That's like if you live in a
Speaker 1: small neighborhood where you ten kids are coming by, you
Speaker 1: know whatever. Well, I was also thinking, like, you know,
Speaker 1: when you were a little kid in the eighties, it
Speaker 1: was different and you know all your neighbors and everything,
Speaker 1: Like I know maybe one or two of my neighbors
Speaker 1: out of twenty houses, right, Like, how do you people
Speaker 1: don't talk to each other like that anymore? I just
Speaker 1: think it depends where you live, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: That's just what it boils down to. I agree, I
Speaker 1: know less people in my neighborhood now, although I do
Speaker 1: know a lot of my neighbors. But yeah, i'd be
Speaker 1: like I said, we lived in a development that was
Speaker 1: built and everybody that moved in in the seventies all
Speaker 1: had children. I mean my bus stop had my bus
Speaker 1: alone was just from our neighborhood was filled with kids,
Speaker 1: so you just know everyone and we all most of
Speaker 1: us went to the public school and everything, so it
Speaker 1: just that's how you know everybody, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: But now it's just different because kids go to other
Speaker 1: schools and things like that, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: It's insane to me that that many children were in
Speaker 1: your neighborhood growing up, because every year I leave out
Speaker 1: a bowl of candy and it's always more than half
Speaker 1: full by the time I get home. I'm like, not
Speaker 1: even one of you just wants to take the whole
Speaker 1: thing and dump it in your bag so I don't
Speaker 1: have to sit here and eat this for the next
Speaker 1: couple of bloods. I don't know. Yeah, it is, it's
Speaker 1: but it just depends where you live, you know, because
Speaker 1: when we first moved in here, there was a lot
Speaker 1: more old people on the street, and then it's you know,
Speaker 1: it's transitioning into newer families moving in younger kids, and
Speaker 1: the whole towns like that. So that's just that's just
Speaker 1: how it goes. But I do have a picture in
Speaker 1: the gross room of a sewing needle and a kit cat.
Speaker 1: That is that a real Because I know that a
Speaker 1: lot of rumors also spread and maybe this isn't one
Speaker 1: hundred percent true that people were actually doing that. You know,
Speaker 1: you always have to assume there's some mentally disturbed individuals
Speaker 1: that are gonna go to these lengths right by putting
Speaker 1: stuff in the Halloween candy. Like you said, I don't
Speaker 1: understand the point of it, especially with drugs, Like you're
Speaker 1: just wasting money giving them to children, And like, what's
Speaker 1: the point of taking out the children in your neighborhood.
Speaker 1: You know you're gonna get caught. Like the most notable
Speaker 1: case of Halloween candy which did result in death was
Speaker 1: his father who poisoned his own child with pixie sticks,
Speaker 1: but he was also trying to poison his friend's two
Speaker 1: kids and another neighborhood boy. Yeah, and this is the
Speaker 1: only out of all these stories that we hear on
Speaker 1: the news about like watch your kids candy, this, that,
Speaker 1: and the other, this is the only one that we
Speaker 1: know of that has actually resulted in a death of
Speaker 1: a child during Halloween. Yeah, And what happened in this case,
Speaker 1: if you guys aren't familiar with it, is these two
Speaker 1: dads in nineteen seventy four took their kids trick or treating,
Speaker 1: which I thought was unusual for the time, Like when
Speaker 1: did you see two dads alone taking kids trick or
Speaker 1: treating in the seventies. But anyway, they get they approached
Speaker 1: and did you see a parent trick or treating in
Speaker 1: the seventies. I know this is like, this is like, oh,
Speaker 1: you're old enough the walk go trick or treating by yourself.
Speaker 1: That's how it was in the seventies. You were five
Speaker 1: years old. And they're just like, see you later, one
Speaker 1: hundred percent. Yes. So in this case, these two dads
Speaker 1: are walking around, they each have two kids, and they
Speaker 1: approach this dark house and nobody answers the door. So
Speaker 1: one of the dads says he's going to stick around
Speaker 1: and see if somebody answers the door, which like red
Speaker 1: flag number one. They go to the next house, and
Speaker 1: then suddenly that dad appears and goes, oh, somebody did
Speaker 1: crack the door open, and they handed me these five
Speaker 1: pixie sticks. So they give two pixie sticks. They give
Speaker 1: one pixie stick each to that guy's two kids, the
Speaker 1: friends two kids, and then another neighborhood boy. So later
Speaker 1: that night they're all at their respective houses and the
Speaker 1: friend said to his kids, you know, I really don't
Speaker 1: want you eating any candy before bed, which, like I
Speaker 1: know they're are probably annoyed at the time, but extremely
Speaker 1: great character. And then the guy that got the pixie
Speaker 1: sticks from this alleged dark house pretty much force fed
Speaker 1: his son this pixie stick, which when he was emptying
Speaker 1: it out noticed it was clumpy. And if anybody's had
Speaker 1: a pixie stick, you know, it's this really fine powdered
Speaker 1: sugar type of candy, so there definitely shouldn't be clumps
Speaker 1: in it. Yeah, maybe you should describe what a pixie
Speaker 1: stick is in case people don't know what they are.
Speaker 1: It's like this plastic tube filled with this powdered sugar
Speaker 1: candy essentially, so if you're opening the tube and there's
Speaker 1: clumps in it, that shouldn't seem right to you because
Speaker 1: it's this ultra fine powder. I wonder if in the
Speaker 1: seventies if they were plastic tubes or if they were
Speaker 1: the paper ones. Well, regardless, they're a straw that's made
Speaker 1: out of either paper or plastic that's just filled with
Speaker 1: flavored sugar basically, and these ones also happen to be
Speaker 1: like stapled shut, which another red flag. It's clearly the
Speaker 1: baggage was tampered with. But this guy force fed his
Speaker 1: child this Pixi stick. The child died within an hour
Speaker 1: and ended up being from cyanide poisoning that was in
Speaker 1: the Pixy sticks. So the other parents of the kids
Speaker 1: that got the sticks, you know, are freaking out. The
Speaker 1: friends like, thank god that I never fed my kid
Speaker 1: or I didn't let them have candy before bed. And
Speaker 1: then the other neighbor was running around their house trying
Speaker 1: to find this Pixi stick and when they got in
Speaker 1: their kids room, he literally literally was asleep on the
Speaker 1: bed holding it in his hand but had not yet
Speaker 1: opened it, like thank god. So, yeah, they found out
Speaker 1: this guy put cyanide in all of them. That the
Speaker 1: one of the dads, because he had significant debt, about
Speaker 1: half a million dollars in today's money of debt, and
Speaker 1: he took out life insurance policies on his own children
Speaker 1: and the poison the pictures. What a scumbag. Also, you
Speaker 1: know you're gonna get caught with the life insurance polosie,
Speaker 1: what are you doing? Well? And this is this is
Speaker 1: how they figured this out. So the kid, the kid
Speaker 1: got very sick, and had he he started vomiting and
Speaker 1: having abdominal pain moments within and this pixie stick fainted
Speaker 1: in his dad's arms, was brought to the hospital and
Speaker 1: was dead within one hour. And when his body so
Speaker 1: in that case all the time like they're going to
Speaker 1: do an autopsy, and of course suspicion's going to be
Speaker 1: high when the medical examiners asking, like what was the
Speaker 1: kid doing? What happened and they say, oh, he was
Speaker 1: eating his Halloween candi. So for anyone that does autopsies,
Speaker 1: your your red flags go up of like it was
Speaker 1: this kid poisoned somehow, some acute poisoning that occurred very quickly.
Speaker 1: And when they were doing the autopsy, the coroner had
Speaker 1: smelled the kid's breath and smelled almonds on his breath.
Speaker 1: And one of the really interesting things with cyanide is
Speaker 1: that there's a small percentage of the population, well not
Speaker 1: a small percent, but a lot of people are able
Speaker 1: to smell almonds when a person has been poisoned with cyanide,
Speaker 1: but some people can't smell it. It's kind of similar
Speaker 1: to asparagus. Asparagus p like, if you eat asparagus, some
Speaker 1: times you could smell it. Very strong, and other people
Speaker 1: don't smell it at all. I remember Lucia when she
Speaker 1: was a baby, I gave her asparagus and changed her diaper,
Speaker 1: and it like the smell of it just whacked me
Speaker 1: in the face. I just I'm able to smell it,
Speaker 1: but some people just aren't able to smell it. So
Speaker 1: it's really interesting. So even though smelling cyanide is definitely
Speaker 1: puts off alarms for a corner, every corner can't smell it,
Speaker 1: and it's not one hundred percent something that would diagnose it,
Speaker 1: but it definitely clues you in. Another thing is is
Speaker 1: the live or mortis. So when you die, all of
Speaker 1: the blood that's in your blood vessels kind of falls
Speaker 1: down to the dependent areas of your body where you're laying,
Speaker 1: and usually it's like a purplish reddish color, but in
Speaker 1: cases of cyanide, along with carbon monoxide poisoning, it turns
Speaker 1: bright red and that's also a clue, and then they're
Speaker 1: able to do toxicology to see And it ended up
Speaker 1: that this kid had enough to kill two adults in
Speaker 1: his system. That's how much. And I was in a system,
Speaker 1: which is why he dropped dead within an hour It's
Speaker 1: just disgusting that you would resort to doing something like
Speaker 1: that to pay off debt. And like, you know you're
Speaker 1: getting caught when you take out a life insurance policy.
Speaker 1: You're obviously the most guilty person if you're taking one
Speaker 1: out on an eight year old little kid, Like what
Speaker 1: are you even doing? Also, just like okay, so what
Speaker 1: you don't get caught, Like how do you really live
Speaker 1: with yourself? I don't know. And you're like a serious sociopath.
Speaker 1: It seems like he was trying to not only kill
Speaker 1: that child, but his other kid too, So it's like
Speaker 1: you're gonna kill both kids. And his wife was saying
Speaker 1: that he basically force fed this pixie stick to their son.
Speaker 1: He didn't even want it, so he was actively still
Speaker 1: married to the mom. Yeah, I believe. I just can't
Speaker 1: even could you just like imagine that really? I mean
Speaker 1: clearly they there was probably like a lot of other
Speaker 1: signs with this guy before he did this. But so
Speaker 1: he was put to death by lethal injection March thirty first,
Speaker 1: nineteen eighty four, about ten years after the end, So
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Speaker 1: Makeup is my favorite part of Halloween, like doing your
Speaker 1: makeup when you were a kid. Let's talk about some
Speaker 1: of your your Halloween costumes. Did you see on Instagram?
Speaker 1: I posted one of my favorite ones as a child,
Speaker 1: when I was just as the Yellow Eminem. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: the Yellow Eminem's good. But that that wasn't so you.
Speaker 1: I had made you a costume for Nightmare before Christmas Sally,
Speaker 1: before that was even a thing that they sold the costumes.
Speaker 1: I made the whole entire thing out of momm's clothes.
Speaker 1: I took a bunch of her shirts and cut them
Speaker 1: up and made you a patchwork dress, and I had
Speaker 1: stockings that I drew stitches on, and it just looked
Speaker 1: so awesome. Of course, there's no photographs of it because wait,
Speaker 1: so it was the nineties. Did you just go at
Speaker 1: her drawers and take a bunch of shirts out with her.
Speaker 1: She didn't even know, dude, that lady is insane. She's
Speaker 1: the most insane person I ever met. She goes to
Speaker 1: the store and buys so much clothes and they're all
Speaker 1: hanging in her closet with tag still on it. Like
Speaker 1: I could go to her closet right now and take
Speaker 1: ten items out of her closet and she wouldn't even
Speaker 1: notice they were missing. I sent Didy this video on
Speaker 1: Instagram the other day that this guy took all of
Speaker 1: his mom's shoes out of her closet and they lined
Speaker 1: them in the entire upstairs at their house. And I
Speaker 1: think she had over two hundred pairs of shoes or something.
Speaker 1: So I sent it Toddy and I just wrote momm
Speaker 1: and she said yeah, and none of them are comfortable,
Speaker 1: which not one, not one. While the best thing about
Speaker 1: momm and her shoes, though, is that she had these
Speaker 1: these like booties, and one pair was black and one
Speaker 1: pair was brown, but they were the same as ex shoes.
Speaker 1: And one day she went all the way to work
Speaker 1: wearing one black shoe and one brown shoe. Like would you,
Speaker 1: I would I don't even know what I would do.
Speaker 1: I would I would like, I don't even know, go
Speaker 1: to the drug store and buy black eyeshadow and rub
Speaker 1: it all over the other shoe or something. I can't
Speaker 1: imagine walking around in public like that. And it's and
Speaker 1: it's just like she said, I think she said she
Speaker 1: went through like half the day at work and just
Speaker 1: somebody was like, hey, Beth, I want to write, you know,
Speaker 1: and this had to be when she was forty. I mean,
Speaker 1: she hasn't worked at a place like that in a
Speaker 1: long time. She was young, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: sl like she was some like crazy old eighty year old,
Speaker 1: you know, you know, she really should have played it
Speaker 1: off as she was like this fashion trendsetter wearing two
Speaker 1: different colored shoes out in public, instead of just being
Speaker 1: embarrassed by it. Yeah, you should have power tripped the
Speaker 1: person that called her out on anyway, side note from
Speaker 1: mo Mom's closet, some other costumes you had. You were
Speaker 1: Sully from Monsters, Inc. That was and Deity was like
Speaker 1: KALs Lawski or whatever. That was fun too during that
Speaker 1: but yeah, you so so anyway, of course, the biggest
Speaker 1: fear with using makeup is a lot of this Halloween makeup,
Speaker 1: especially the ones you get like at the Halloween store.
Speaker 1: They're just the generic branch you've never heard of, and
Speaker 1: and you just have to fear that it's just filled
Speaker 1: with toxic shit, Like you don't really know what you're
Speaker 1: putting on your kid's face, you know what I mean? Yeah,
Speaker 1: And I mean I don't know, because do you worry
Speaker 1: about I always see like vintage makeup at antique laws
Speaker 1: and stuff, and I don't know, Like something about it
Speaker 1: just screams like chemicals to me. Yeah, I mean, I
Speaker 1: mean there's different fears you could have. So number one,
Speaker 1: you could have a fear of getting bacterial infections. So
Speaker 1: of course I buy like all this white cake makeup
Speaker 1: and all this shit, like I have. I have a
Speaker 1: nice collection of Halloween make that I just put in
Speaker 1: the drawer and I literally, like this morning, just pulled
Speaker 1: it out again, you know, because I'm not buying that
Speaker 1: stuff every year. It's expensive and it's good, but a
Speaker 1: lot of dermatologists recommend that you don't do that because
Speaker 1: it could grow bacteria over the year and it could
Speaker 1: cause irritation to the skin. But whatever, I don't know,
Speaker 1: Like when I see this makeup from the fifties and sixties.
Speaker 1: I'm always compelled to buy them because I just think
Speaker 1: they look really cool, that containers are awesome and everything.
Speaker 1: But then I always think about the situation with Wizard
Speaker 1: of Oz and how toxic the makeup was during that time.
Speaker 1: Well that's I mean, listen, it's still happening though today
Speaker 1: that companies will buy some of these Halloween makeups and
Speaker 1: do tests on them, and very recently they found that
Speaker 1: there was lead in some of them. And lead is
Speaker 1: really really bad. It's not good in any levels, and
Speaker 1: it's considered a neurotoxin. Right. It's just bad to have kid,
Speaker 1: especially children and that have a growing brain, be exposed
Speaker 1: to So they found not only lead, but just other
Speaker 1: heavy metals too that could really be harmful. I mean,
Speaker 1: the thing is is that the only way to avoid
Speaker 1: it is just to not use that stuff. And I
Speaker 1: don't really know. I personally do try to get brands
Speaker 1: like a Mac makeup or something that's like a little
Speaker 1: bit more tested and quality and everything else, just to
Speaker 1: just to have a side because those things do worry
Speaker 1: me about what's in them, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: And at least with makeup brands that are sold like
Speaker 1: the bigger brands. There's a lot more testing and regulations
Speaker 1: with them now. I know they cost more. I mean,
Speaker 1: the funny thing is is that now the cheap stuff
Speaker 1: is catching up with the expensive stuff, so it's not
Speaker 1: too much of a price gap. But like I said,
Speaker 1: like if I buy white, it might cost a little
Speaker 1: bit more, but then I save it aside and it's
Speaker 1: good for a couple of years, you know. I mean yeah,
Speaker 1: especially like you used to work and to make used
Speaker 1: to be a makeup artist and stuff, so I feel
Speaker 1: like you just know general care and everything and you're
Speaker 1: taking precautions. But I think people are just dipping all
Speaker 1: the brushes and oily skin, not washing the brushes, for
Speaker 1: using them year after year of the year without like
Speaker 1: taking all the precautions necessary. Yeah, the bacteria is just
Speaker 1: like whatever, you'll get zits or whatever. I'm I'm mostly
Speaker 1: concerned with putting these weird chemicals on my kid's skin,
Speaker 1: you know. And there's reason for that because the history,
Speaker 1: like you were saying with Wizard of Oz. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: you have to think when that movie came out in
Speaker 1: nineteen thirty nine, there's obviously no internet. You have to
Speaker 1: think like movies are still relatively new. I'm pretty sure
Speaker 1: Wizard of Oz was the first color movie ever made,
Speaker 1: which is nuts to think about. And they don't, you know,
Speaker 1: they don't have the resources we have today, and they
Speaker 1: had to do everything possible to make their special effects
Speaker 1: look great because they didn't have computers. And they were like,
Speaker 1: this is the first color movie. Like this, shit's gonna
Speaker 1: look vibrant. We don't care what we have to play
Speaker 1: on people's skin in order to make it look good. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So the first issue we have is with the tin Man.
Speaker 1: So Buddy Ebsen, who was originally cast as a tin man,
Speaker 1: only nine days into production he started having these horrific
Speaker 1: breathing problems and then later found out it was due
Speaker 1: to the illuminum dust that they were putting on his face.
Speaker 1: They give him the tin man metallic gene. Well, I think,
Speaker 1: so this is a little bit of a different situation
Speaker 1: because I think the aluminum dust wasn't considered too necessary.
Speaker 1: It was considered to be safe at the time, So
Speaker 1: they weren't. They weren't intentionally bypassing standards. But what happens
Speaker 1: is he was having so sometimes your body could have
Speaker 1: a reaction to breathing in either organic or inorganic materials,
Speaker 1: and it could cause you to get scarring or something
Speaker 1: called pulmonary fibrosis in your lung or you could get
Speaker 1: a granuloma infection, which is your lungs are having this
Speaker 1: reaction to the body like it sees this aluminum dust
Speaker 1: as being foreign, and then all of those little pieces
Speaker 1: of dust, your body kind of forms this scar tissue
Speaker 1: around all of them, which having all that scar tissue
Speaker 1: in your lungs obviously causes difficulty breathing. And that might
Speaker 1: not happen in every single person, but it's definitely a
Speaker 1: cause for alarm because with this guy, he could have
Speaker 1: really had permanent lung damage from that. Yeah, And I
Speaker 1: mean they thought he just was having an allergic reaction
Speaker 1: to it, because, like you said, there was a certain
Speaker 1: level of approval that the aluminum dust had had. I
Speaker 1: think they used to give it to minors to protect
Speaker 1: They thought it would protect their lungs from certain diseases,
Speaker 1: so they didn't think anything was wrong giving it to
Speaker 1: him on a Hollywood movie set. And then they were
Speaker 1: just like, you know what, you're having a reaction, so
Speaker 1: we're gonna replace you with another actor. I think, So
Speaker 1: now two people are exposed to two people. But on
Speaker 1: top of that, the first guy is like, oh, I
Speaker 1: also need a lung transplant, thanks, and I just lost
Speaker 1: my job, yeah exactly, So you know, it's just messed up.
Speaker 1: And then most notably from that movie is Margaret Hamilton
Speaker 1: who played the Wicked Witch of the West. So she
Speaker 1: had that infamous green makeup on her that was extremely toxic. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was copper oxide. And so she had some situation
Speaker 1: where she was in munchkin Land and there was some
Speaker 1: you know, when she would they would put up the
Speaker 1: smoke and flames and things like that when she was
Speaker 1: exiting the scene or entering the scene or something, and
Speaker 1: it caused her face to catch on fire basically, and
Speaker 1: because the chemical is so toxic, they were using robbing
Speaker 1: alcohol essentially to take it off of her during that incident,
Speaker 1: and she described that as as being the worst pain
Speaker 1: that she's ever felt in her life. Obviously sticking alcohol
Speaker 1: and open wounds like that on top of whatever the
Speaker 1: hell is in that makeup. You know, it's kind of
Speaker 1: crazy because I was reading that they knew that this
Speaker 1: makeup was tough to an extent because after she put
Speaker 1: it on, they wouldn't let her eat because there was
Speaker 1: a fear of her ingesting it. Holy shit, and the
Speaker 1: days were so long, so obviously she was getting hungry.
Speaker 1: So she had to basically adhere to this liquid diet
Speaker 1: and drink out of a straw wow every time she
Speaker 1: was a makeup and then the makeup artists would really
Speaker 1: try to carefully take it off because they knew it
Speaker 1: was toxic and they didn't want it on her skin
Speaker 1: longer than it had to be. And then they said,
Speaker 1: because of how potent I guess it was, her her
Speaker 1: skin would be green for like four days because they
Speaker 1: would remove all the surface level makeup, but it just
Speaker 1: would it stained her skin. Well, luckily it was worth
Speaker 1: all that because this is one of the best movies
Speaker 1: of all time, right, and yeah, but it'll ever be.
Speaker 1: It wasn't when it came out. Oh I know it
Speaker 1: was a box off. No, I know it wasn't. But
Speaker 1: like it it lived. It's just this historical thing. So
Speaker 1: at least maybe all of that was worth it at
Speaker 1: some point. I don't know. Wait so that, I mean,
Speaker 1: how did she I actually never looked at how she died. Well,
Speaker 1: if you want to look that up real quick. I'll
Speaker 1: just tell you that. So after that happened, she wasn't
Speaker 1: able to film for six weeks because she had to
Speaker 1: heal from all the burns she had. And then afterwards,
Speaker 1: the producers seriously wanted her to do another scene with fire,
Speaker 1: to which she obviously said, I'm not doing that, So
Speaker 1: they had this woman stand in for her during another
Speaker 1: scene where they like throw the smoke and the fire
Speaker 1: up and then you know, something went wrong of course
Speaker 1: during that too, which gave that woman a huge gash.
Speaker 1: She also had burns from it and had to go
Speaker 1: to the er. And you know, I can't imagine how
Speaker 1: much of that shit used to happen back in the day,
Speaker 1: and they were just like, you want this job, it's
Speaker 1: risk your life kind of thing. Correct, The woman had
Speaker 1: a huge gash in bruising, not also burned from that,
Speaker 1: but there was still an incident on set and then yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, so she was eighty two when she died
Speaker 1: of a heart attack. So she's just one of those
Speaker 1: hardy humans that goes through a lot of shit throughout
Speaker 1: their life. But apparently she it didn't affect her and
Speaker 1: she didn't get any weird kind of cancer or anything
Speaker 1: from that makeup. Maybe she did, but she survived through it.
Speaker 1: Can you just imagine, like, you know, you're working in
Speaker 1: this new industry, you probably think it's really awesome, and
Speaker 1: then they obviously know this makeup's poisonous, but they don't
Speaker 1: have enough research to know anything about it, and I
Speaker 1: don't know. Then you get this horrific burn and at
Speaker 1: least the role was iconic, you know, because what if
Speaker 1: you did this for a movie that never took off. Yeah, exactly,
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. And then a lot of people
Speaker 1: think this movie is cursed because of those two incidents.
Speaker 1: And then you know, Judy Garland was sixteen when they
Speaker 1: were filming it, and they were force feeding her pills
Speaker 1: to get through filming and telling her she was fat
Speaker 1: even though she was like a size too, and giving
Speaker 1: her all these pills and antidi presents and everything, and
Speaker 1: that gave her a lifelong pill addiction. So, speaking of curses,
Speaker 1: let's talk about Poultergeist. Do you know multiple people have
Speaker 1: died before Poltergeist was even finished production and came out. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it is. It's really a crazy story. Yeah, So it's
Speaker 1: just kind of nuts to think, like one movie. And
Speaker 1: you know, we were just talking about Wizard of Oz
Speaker 1: being cursed, and I don't you know, you can't even
Speaker 1: argue that this movie was cursed. Date one hundred percent
Speaker 1: of a problem. I've read that they're reading or using
Speaker 1: real human skeletons as movie props. Obviously that's gonna create
Speaker 1: a spooky Vibeok. Well, they were cheaper than getting fake
Speaker 1: ones back in the day. They did outrageous I think
Speaker 1: one eyed Willie from Gooeny's is a real skeleton. Like
Speaker 1: they they used them all the time. There's plenty of
Speaker 1: examples of it on movie sets. The one from Poltergeist
Speaker 1: is so creepy because they're in water and then there's
Speaker 1: putting like real skeletons next to the actors and stuff.
Speaker 1: It looks so creepy because they're real, you know. Yeah, So,
Speaker 1: all right, a couple of people died that were worked
Speaker 1: on the movie. So Will Sampson at fifty three year old.
Speaker 1: Fifty three years old died from malnutrition in kidney failure
Speaker 1: though he had scleroderma. What is that. That's when you
Speaker 1: have a collagen deficiency. It's a disease that causes you
Speaker 1: to have hardening the skin. It could happen with the skin,
Speaker 1: but also it could happen with the internal organs and
Speaker 1: they get like thickened and hardened, and it's it's difficult
Speaker 1: for them to function properly. So he ended up getting
Speaker 1: a heart and lung transplant because of the gloridarma, and
Speaker 1: then he had kidney failure. As a result of that,
Speaker 1: he had a massive weight loss. He went from like
Speaker 1: two hundred and sixty pounds to one hundred and forty pounds,
Speaker 1: and that's where the malnutrition came from. All right. Then
Speaker 1: we have Julian Beck who died of stomach cancer at
Speaker 1: sixty years old. Yeah, she had stomach cancer, all right.
Speaker 1: So then I just learned about this death in the
Speaker 1: Menendaz show that just came out on Netflix. So dominiqu Dune,
Speaker 1: who was also in the movie. She died at twenty
Speaker 1: two years old because she was strangled to death by
Speaker 1: her boyfriend. And then most notably Heather O'Rourke who was
Speaker 1: twelve years old when she died. Yeah did she die exactly? Oh,
Speaker 1: this is a really sad story. So she had her
Speaker 1: Her cause of death was from a ballol obstruction and sepsis, right,
Speaker 1: which means something was causing when she ate her food
Speaker 1: couldn't go all the way through her DREI track and
Speaker 1: she couldn't poop it out properly. She didn't present with
Speaker 1: problems until like a year before she died, when she
Speaker 1: started vomiting a lot and having all this stuff. And
Speaker 1: I guess the imaging at the time or whatever, they
Speaker 1: decided that she had Crohn's disease. And then they gave
Speaker 1: her steroid prednan zone for a long time use, which
Speaker 1: is not really recommended unless it's completely necessary. But she
Speaker 1: got a very specific look on her face, which is
Speaker 1: called a moonface. You see sometimes in people that are
Speaker 1: on chronic steroid use. That you could see it in
Speaker 1: her face, you know what I mean. Her face is
Speaker 1: very large and looks like a moon. That's why it's
Speaker 1: called a moonface. But what happens was she started she
Speaker 1: was on that treatment and stuff, and she was having
Speaker 1: all these issues, and then one day her mom thought
Speaker 1: that she was sick and called the doctor. They thought
Speaker 1: she had the flu or something, and then her mom
Speaker 1: noticed that she started turning blue and she fainted. They
Speaker 1: called the ambulance, and the ambulance came, and when the
Speaker 1: ambulance came. She just was concerned that she was going
Speaker 1: to miss school that day, so she was completely alert
Speaker 1: and awake, and then she went into cardiac arrest into
Speaker 1: the ambulance. She went to the hospital. They ended up
Speaker 1: doing surgery and opening her up to see what the
Speaker 1: problem was. And here she was misdiagnosed with Crone's disease.
Speaker 1: She never had Crohn's disease. She had a bowel obstruction
Speaker 1: from something that was wrong with her bow when she
Speaker 1: was born. That if that was diagnosed properly, she could
Speaker 1: have had surgery to remove that and never been on steroids, right,
Speaker 1: And what happens is that the bow was it was obstructed,
Speaker 1: so the poop couldn't move through and it burst, and
Speaker 1: then the bacteria from the bow got into her bloodstream
Speaker 1: and then she ended up it spread throughout her body.
Speaker 1: She got sepsis and she died. Absolutely horrible. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: it is horrible. I mean, and this was in the eighties.
Speaker 1: I don't I don't exactly know what the imaging was
Speaker 1: and the testing was and everything like that. But to
Speaker 1: their defense, when a child has a bowel obstruction, it's
Speaker 1: usually because of two different things. It's either number one,
Speaker 1: something that they were born with, or it's something that
Speaker 1: was caused later in life like Crohne's disease, or if
Speaker 1: they let's say, you ever hear of kids like swallowing
Speaker 1: those Orbie beads, or like an obstruction the kid that
Speaker 1: swallowed the Barbie dolls had we talked about a couple
Speaker 1: of weeks ago. There are the things that you that
Speaker 1: you acquire throughout your life. But if a kid is
Speaker 1: born with a bowel obstruction, they usually don't live to
Speaker 1: be ten eleven years old and not have any issues
Speaker 1: with that. So that when a child presents living ten
Speaker 1: years of their life not having any GI issues and
Speaker 1: then all of a sudden they have an obstruction, the
Speaker 1: doctor's not going to be thinking that it's congenital, because
Speaker 1: if it was, it would have presented years prior. Right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: So but still you can't just assume and that's what happened.
Speaker 1: But maybe I don't want to talk shit because I
Speaker 1: don't know what the imaging was at that time and
Speaker 1: what it looked like. You know. Yeah, it's just but
Speaker 1: it was sad, yeah, because she was so twelve years old,
Speaker 1: so young a child. It's just really sad. And obviously
Speaker 1: we can say that all the incidents with Wizard of
Speaker 1: Oz were pretty much strictly linked to the filming of
Speaker 1: that movie. These were all just weird coincidences that all
Speaker 1: happen to line up with the cast of Poltergeist, so
Speaker 1: it's just horrible to think about. Yeah, okay, guys, we
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