WEBVTT - Selects: How Manhunts Work

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<v Speaker 1>Hi, everybody be on the lookout. APB, middle aged white

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<v Speaker 1>male podcaster on the loose, guilty of bad jokes. Manhunt underway.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right, everyone, how man hunts work? December sixteenth, twenty thirteen.

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<v Speaker 1>Enjoy it right here, right now.

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<v Speaker 2>Now I've got to go.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm on the LAMB. Welcome to Stuff you should know,

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<v Speaker 3>a production of iHeartRadio.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark. There's

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<v Speaker 2>child Chuck Bryant. Guest producer Noel is hanging out with

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<v Speaker 2>us for today. Noel, and that makes the stuff you

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<v Speaker 2>should know the podcast. That's right. I gotta come in

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<v Speaker 2>with something different to call it, so you should know

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<v Speaker 2>the podcast. It's boring.

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<v Speaker 3>We're the explanerators infocast, right, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>Podcast is what it is? Edertainment? Chuck. Yes, do you

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<v Speaker 2>know of a man named James Earl Ray? Yeah? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>a jerk, Yes, I saw him. I saw him referred

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<v Speaker 2>to as dim witted. Oh really yeah, which makes his

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<v Speaker 2>escape pretty thrilling and yeah, suspect. Really well, let me

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<v Speaker 2>give you a little back out. So, James Earlray was

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<v Speaker 2>a Missouri prison escape ee when he rolled into Memphis

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<v Speaker 2>to assassinate Martin Luther King Junior, Yes, who was in

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<v Speaker 2>Memphis to support the sanitation workers strike there in nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>sixty eight. And James Earl Ray got a room across

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<v Speaker 2>the street from the Lorraine Hotel where MLKA was staying,

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<v Speaker 2>apparently published in the papers not only where he was staying,

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<v Speaker 2>but his room number, which I guess was custom at

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<v Speaker 2>the time. Actually, from what I understand, it was customary. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>it wasn't unheard of. And James Rolway got a room,

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<v Speaker 2>found out that he had a decent shot at the

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<v Speaker 2>balcony outside of King's room if he leaned out of

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<v Speaker 2>the bathroom the shared bathroom of his communal hotel and

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<v Speaker 2>shared bathroom huh, shared bathroom down, So somebody could have

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<v Speaker 2>gone in and been like, oh sorry, sir, pretty much

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<v Speaker 2>didn't see you in here with that rifle, with that

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<v Speaker 2>huge hunting rifle. Yeah, Well he got a shot off,

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<v Speaker 2>he killed MLK, and he ran out of this place

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<v Speaker 2>that was referred to as a flophouse, and he left

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<v Speaker 2>behind valuable evidence with his prints on it, namely the rifle,

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<v Speaker 2>a bundle of his clothing, and some other stuff that

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<v Speaker 2>they used to create a trail for James Rolway, got

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<v Speaker 2>a name, eventually got a picture, and James Roway made

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<v Speaker 2>it out of Memphis and he actually made it to Canada,

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<v Speaker 2>and he made it to Portugal and then the UK.

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<v Speaker 2>And the way he made it was under an assumed passport,

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<v Speaker 2>which for a dim witted Missouri prison escapee, a forged passport.

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<v Speaker 2>That's pretty heavy stuff.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I think it was probably easier back then.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, okay, you know he was traveling under the name

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<v Speaker 2>George Ramon Snead right, Yes, And they found out that

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<v Speaker 2>he was traveling under that name because Canadian police, after

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<v Speaker 2>being contacted by American authorities with a picture of James Roway,

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<v Speaker 2>went through about one hundred and fifty thousand passports that

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<v Speaker 2>they had accepted. I guess they had copies of them, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I think about it, and then finally found one that

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<v Speaker 2>looked like James Rolray found out that the person traveling

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<v Speaker 2>under that passport was in fact at Heathrow Airport or

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<v Speaker 2>in London. Yeah, and when he went to Heathrow Airport,

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<v Speaker 2>they apprehended him and he said, you got me. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>James Olwray and I killed MLK.

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<v Speaker 3>Imagine that was tough because everyone back then looked like

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<v Speaker 3>James Rolray.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, pretty much.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, all those dudes looked the same back in

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<v Speaker 3>the fifties, although this was the sixties, but he still

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<v Speaker 3>looked like that in the fifties.

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<v Speaker 2>Looked fifties ish, he did.

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<v Speaker 3>And he confessed and then later on, of course, recanted

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<v Speaker 3>and said no, I was part of a plot and

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<v Speaker 3>a conspiracy, and they said ts.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, actually the King family said, you know what, we

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<v Speaker 2>think this guy's telling the truth, and they got a

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<v Speaker 2>new trial brought and he died in prison before he

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<v Speaker 2>could be brought to trial again.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, in the late nineties. Yeah, and then you two

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<v Speaker 3>wrote a song about it. What song it was, the

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<v Speaker 3>song Pride in the Name of Love? Oh yeah, early

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<v Speaker 3>morning April four.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but that came before James lay. Yeah, what do

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<v Speaker 2>you mean you said, and then you two wrote it

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<v Speaker 2>was just missing You confused me for a second.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, And I don't know if it was early morning either,

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<v Speaker 3>for I think for some reason I always heard that

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<v Speaker 3>Bono got that one wrong.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh really, yeah, I'll have to look that up.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not sure what time it was.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm sure we could find out.

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<v Speaker 3>But Bono wouldn't say that morning is like a state

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<v Speaker 3>of mind or something. I'm cool, got on blue sunglasses always.

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<v Speaker 2>So the humph for James Earl Ray is just one example.

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<v Speaker 2>History is littered with manhunts, and what's strange about that

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<v Speaker 2>is that no manhunt really resembles other man hunts.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean, it's it's weird, like you can hole

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<v Speaker 3>up in the woods for years and then eventually get caught,

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<v Speaker 3>or if you're a whitey Bulger, you can go out

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<v Speaker 3>in your driveway in Santa Monica and get caught. Like

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<v Speaker 3>I guess, no manhunt is the same, because no going

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<v Speaker 3>on the lamb is the same. Some prefer hideen plane

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<v Speaker 3>sight deal, some prefer the middle of the woods. Some

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<v Speaker 3>people prefer you know, Bolivia.

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<v Speaker 2>Sure you know, Nazis. What would you do if I

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<v Speaker 2>were on the run.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, on the lamb, I would. I would probably be

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<v Speaker 3>a woodland creature.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, But even if I did know, I

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<v Speaker 2>wouldn't say on the podcast because that'd be pretty dumb.

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<v Speaker 2>If in case I ever do need to go on

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<v Speaker 2>the lamb in the future.

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<v Speaker 3>Although the hide and plain sight thing is there's something

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<v Speaker 3>to be said for that.

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<v Speaker 2>Sure you know, Yeah, Well, I mean you've got to

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<v Speaker 2>get some plastic surgery done in this day and.

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<v Speaker 3>Age, Yeah, or just mesh your face up a little bit.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, actually, with Whitey Bulger, he was on the LAMB

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<v Speaker 2>with his longtime girlfriend Catherine Grieg I believe her name was,

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<v Speaker 2>and she had extensive plastic surgery.

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<v Speaker 3>And which had nothing to do with being on the LAMB.

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<v Speaker 2>They well, they she actually got them found. Oh really, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>they're so. Whitey Bulger was on the LAMB for sixteen years, right, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and it was he was up there with Osama bin

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<v Speaker 2>Laden as one of America's most wanted fugitives. There was

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<v Speaker 2>a million dollar bounty on it. Said it was big time,

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<v Speaker 2>and whenever they found out that he had been somewhere

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<v Speaker 2>where they thought he was somewhere, the FBI would take

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<v Speaker 2>out thirty second commercials on TV, yeah, saying have you

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<v Speaker 2>seen this man? Have you seen this woman? This woman

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<v Speaker 2>is known to frequent hair salons. This guy's Whitey Bulger.

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<v Speaker 2>You know the FBI if you see them in the

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<v Speaker 2>area during times when his girlfriend's demographic, Yeah, would be

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<v Speaker 2>watching TV. Oh sure, So this served a twofold purpose.

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<v Speaker 2>One if she saw it and he saw it, then

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<v Speaker 2>it would scare him and hopefully flush him out of hiding,

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<v Speaker 2>because it's a lot easier to catch somebody out in

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<v Speaker 2>the open.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, which is a common tactic, right.

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<v Speaker 2>Or two, the people that she might be friends with

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<v Speaker 2>and associate with could be watching TV at the time

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<v Speaker 2>and drop a dime on her. And in fact, that's

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<v Speaker 2>what happened.

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<v Speaker 3>Someone like some lady who gave her a pedicure.

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<v Speaker 2>Add a hair salon really called and said, I think

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<v Speaker 2>this woman that you're looking for is here, and this

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<v Speaker 2>is her address, And the cops went to the to

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<v Speaker 2>the apartment said sir, it looks like somebody broke into

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<v Speaker 2>your storage unit here around the corner. And why he

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<v Speaker 2>bowls your steps outside and they go clink clank.

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<v Speaker 3>Why did they even say that? Could they not go

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<v Speaker 3>inside or something?

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<v Speaker 2>I guess they didn't have enough probable cause they had

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<v Speaker 2>to lure him outside. I love that. That's okay, right.

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<v Speaker 3>It's not okay them in, but it's okay to lie

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<v Speaker 3>and say that your story unit's busted into.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, surprise he feel for that too. Yeah, I'm sure

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<v Speaker 2>he is too.

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<v Speaker 3>He might have gotten lazy after sixteen years.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think so, man. I think he was really

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<v Speaker 2>wound up pretty tight. I read a long form article

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<v Speaker 2>by a neighbor of his, a young guy who befriended

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<v Speaker 2>him over the years, and he said he was wound

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<v Speaker 2>up real tight, always on the lookout. Did he write

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<v Speaker 2>a book seem cagey?

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<v Speaker 3>He will called like neighbor to the mob?

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<v Speaker 2>Pretty I'm sure, Matthew Modine.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, if I liok next to Whitey Bull dread, that

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<v Speaker 3>book would be on the shelves right now, sure, and

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<v Speaker 3>it would be called neighbor to the mob.

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<v Speaker 2>I wonder what Aaron Cooper's going to make that? So

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<v Speaker 2>who else we got? John Wilkes Booth.

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<v Speaker 3>He famously went on the lamb for a pretty short

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<v Speaker 3>time after he shot Lincoln twelve days and ended up

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<v Speaker 3>in a farmhouse where there's all kinds of stories on

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<v Speaker 3>how he might have died, whether he was burned alive

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<v Speaker 3>or whether he was truly rooted out by the fire

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<v Speaker 3>and then shot.

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<v Speaker 2>Did you die instantly? Did you linger for a while?

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<v Speaker 3>But either way, manhunts have been around as long as

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<v Speaker 3>people have been killing people.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And there are some principles that do kind of

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<v Speaker 2>hold true for all man hunts across the board, and

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<v Speaker 2>pretty much one of them is get the public involved. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>because when you do that time and time again, manhunts

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<v Speaker 2>have shown that, like, somebody out there has seen this

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<v Speaker 2>person recently and will call right.

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<v Speaker 3>Especially these days with technology, with like everyone having a

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<v Speaker 3>camera in their pocket basically, or sharing on social media,

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<v Speaker 3>or being up to the second with news reports. It's

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<v Speaker 3>like it's made manhunts easier.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, And then the other factor that makes for a

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<v Speaker 2>successful manhunt is having a lot of people doing a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of grunt work. Like, yeah, the Canadian officials going

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<v Speaker 2>through all of those passports to try to find one

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<v Speaker 2>that looked like James Rolay.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I wonder how many people they visited before him,

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<v Speaker 3>like the other twelve guys that look just.

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<v Speaker 2>Like Cancel, Like, it's not me, so all right, Chuck.

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<v Speaker 2>So let's say that somebody's on the run in the

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<v Speaker 2>United States and it's not it's not a big deal.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not necessarily a national man hunt. It's a it's

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<v Speaker 2>a regional man hunt.

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<v Speaker 3>We'll say, Okay, like someone knocked off a liquor store

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<v Speaker 3>and shot somebody and was on the loose. Yeah, in

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<v Speaker 3>a neighborhood.

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<v Speaker 2>I want to find that guy. What do you do?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I'm glad you asked, because I've done this.

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<v Speaker 2>With mirrored sunglasses on. Yeah, Bloodhound.

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<v Speaker 3>The first thing you gotta do, my friend, is contain

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<v Speaker 3>the area. It's called containment, and it sounds just like

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<v Speaker 3>what it is. You are basically trying to seal off

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<v Speaker 3>an area and watch all the possible exits from that area.

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<v Speaker 3>If it's a neighborhood, I guess you're going to just

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<v Speaker 3>pick out a certain amount of blockage and shut it

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<v Speaker 3>down and have cops posted at each street exit right,

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<v Speaker 3>and just know that we have at least this area

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<v Speaker 3>completely contained. If this dude is in here, and we're

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<v Speaker 3>going to say, guys, because how many times do women

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<v Speaker 3>do stupid stuff like this and go in the lamb?

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<v Speaker 2>Not much? You know? Sure? Have you not heard of

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<v Speaker 2>thellman Louise?

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<v Speaker 3>That's like the one thing.

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<v Speaker 2>So if you do have an area contained, what you

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<v Speaker 2>want to do is not just not let anybody in

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<v Speaker 2>or out without finding out if it's the person you're

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<v Speaker 2>looking for. Yeah, you also probably want to go door

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<v Speaker 2>to door and say, hey, are you being held hostage

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<v Speaker 2>right now? Did some guy with a gun come into

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<v Speaker 2>your basement window recently? And that's what they did? Actually,

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<v Speaker 2>or with a twenty square block area when there's parching

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<v Speaker 2>for the Boston Marathon.

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<v Speaker 3>Bombers, Yeah, should we talk about those guys real quick?

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<v Speaker 3>Sure they were jerks too, Yeah, the sarenof brothers. They

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<v Speaker 3>blew up a couple of pressure cookers fashioned into bombs

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<v Speaker 3>at the finish line of the Boston Marathon, and the

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<v Speaker 3>FBI got on it pretty quick with getting photos released

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<v Speaker 3>of who they thought these guys were, which turned out

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<v Speaker 3>to be really key because after a kind of a

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<v Speaker 3>crazy scene where one of them was shot and killed

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<v Speaker 3>by the police, like throwing bombs at the cops.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it was quite a scene. Run over by his brother.

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<v Speaker 3>And then the one I guess is that Zo Car.

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<v Speaker 2>The da silent right, Yeah, Joe Kar or Jokar Joe Car.

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<v Speaker 3>I think he is the one that ended up in

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<v Speaker 3>a residential neighborhood hiding in a boat under a tarp.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and he was.

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<v Speaker 3>They sniffed him off the case with some infrared imaging

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<v Speaker 3>and basically it was like pred They're like, there's a

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<v Speaker 3>guy in that boat because I see his red body breathing.

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<v Speaker 2>Right. So the reason that they found out that the

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<v Speaker 2>dude was in the boat was because the person who

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<v Speaker 2>owned the boat was in this area under the security

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<v Speaker 2>lockdown in containment, and was well aware thanks to the

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<v Speaker 2>local news and social media and everything else, that they

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<v Speaker 2>were looking for this guy. So when he saw that

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<v Speaker 2>there was a dude in his boat, he called the cops.

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<v Speaker 2>That's how the cops found suspect number two in the

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<v Speaker 2>Boston bombing case. Right.

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<v Speaker 3>I bet that was a rush for that guy.

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<v Speaker 2>I read about like what he said. I think he

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<v Speaker 2>was kind of scared.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm sure, because it's pretty obvious, like you see a

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<v Speaker 3>guy there's a lockdown in your neighborhood, and you see

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<v Speaker 3>guy go climb under your boat tarp in their backyard.

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<v Speaker 2>That's him. Yeah, you know, bleeding guy. I think he

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<v Speaker 2>was bleeding at the time. Even more reason so with

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<v Speaker 2>the Boston's a great case because it's recent, everybody knows

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<v Speaker 2>about it, but because it has like so many different

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<v Speaker 2>points to it that really kind of give you an

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<v Speaker 2>idea of what a manhunt consists of. So you've got containment,

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<v Speaker 2>you've got a door to door search, you've got the

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<v Speaker 2>public transportation being shut down. Yeah, that was a big one.

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<v Speaker 2>That's part of containment as well.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, they set up a no fly zone, they closed

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<v Speaker 3>the schools, they closed, they shuttered businesses. It was basically

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<v Speaker 3>the biggest shutdown of a major US city in history.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, People who were in the containment area were asked

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<v Speaker 2>to not leave their house. That horrid news speak. Shelter

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<v Speaker 2>in place.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, term that just sounds like you should be

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<v Speaker 3>in a corner like.

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<v Speaker 2>Shelter in place.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I remember a tweet from doctor Ruth while that was

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<v Speaker 2>going on. She's saying, Hey, if you're having the shelter

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<v Speaker 2>in place, maybe now's a good time to turn off

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<v Speaker 2>the TV and get intimate with your loved one. I

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<v Speaker 2>couldn't believe it. Wow.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, they say they're still counting up the monies, but

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<v Speaker 3>it's tallying up to over a billion dollars for that

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<v Speaker 3>man hunt.

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<v Speaker 2>What isn't that crazy? Somebody's milking that. You gotta think

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<v Speaker 2>billion dollars. I got a little sidebar, let's hear it.

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<v Speaker 3>Not on a man hunt, but President Obama came through

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<v Speaker 3>my neighborhood a few months ago, like on his way

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<v Speaker 3>to school indicator for something cool, and literally drove like

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<v Speaker 3>down the block from my house the motorcade. Did did

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<v Speaker 3>you run out to him? Well, no, you can't that's

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<v Speaker 3>my point. Like my friend, you remember Chris Cox, his wife,

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<v Speaker 3>We ended up being stuck at the same intersection and

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<v Speaker 3>her house was across the street, like forty feet away.

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<v Speaker 3>She's like, sir, that is my house. I have a

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<v Speaker 3>babysitter there. I'm paying, Like, can I just walk across

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<v Speaker 3>the street. And he was like, nope, no, he would

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<v Speaker 3>not let her walk across the street and enter her

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<v Speaker 3>own home.

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<v Speaker 2>You have no rights. The president is on your street.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and he wasn't even It took like another half

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<v Speaker 3>hour and she's like, I really just need to walk

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<v Speaker 3>right there, and he wouldn't allow it.

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<v Speaker 2>Huh.

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<v Speaker 3>So that's some serious lockdown. Is when the government wants

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<v Speaker 3>to lock you down, they can lock you down.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, pretty much. Yeah, so chuck, uh, you do have rights, however.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, yeah, it's a good segue.

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<v Speaker 2>I guess it was a great segue, buddy. Yeah, if

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<v Speaker 2>you're in if you're being told not to leave your house,

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<v Speaker 2>first of all, you can technically leave your house, can you.

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<v Speaker 2>I think you just your risk of being shot at

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<v Speaker 2>by the police go through the roof. Maybe, So that's

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<v Speaker 2>a pretty good reason not to leave your house, just

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<v Speaker 2>out of common sense. You can be enraged. All you

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<v Speaker 2>want indoors, well, just like any other night, and the

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<v Speaker 2>police can't just come busting down your door saying is

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<v Speaker 2>he in here? No, okay, let's go kick down the

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<v Speaker 2>next door. They can knock and say can we come

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<v Speaker 2>in and look, and you can say yeah, your nay.

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<v Speaker 2>If they have probable cause, say one of them saw

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<v Speaker 2>the suspect run into your house, they can go in

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<v Speaker 2>after him without asking you.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Or if they're creeping around your backyard and peeking

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<v Speaker 3>in your wind, which they can do legally. Yeah, the

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<v Speaker 3>cops Yeah they can. They could, you know, see somebody

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<v Speaker 3>they think looks like the suspect and say that's probable cause.

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<v Speaker 2>There's a there's a loophole big enough to drive like

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<v Speaker 2>an armored truck through if you're not picking up on that. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>If they need to provide emergency services, they can do that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. They can say, oh, we thought you you needed CPR.

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<v Speaker 2>We're glad to see you're okay. Now that we're in

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<v Speaker 2>your house, we're looking around.

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<v Speaker 3>Or another big loophole is the exigent circumstances, which I

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<v Speaker 3>don't know. In the case of Boston, they could probably

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<v Speaker 3>barge into anyone's home and be covered under that one.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's basically like there were there's a state of

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<v Speaker 2>emergency going on, Like the civil law is just out

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<v Speaker 2>the window because the situation is so dire. And yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>they argued that this guy was running around with explosives.

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<v Speaker 2>That's an emergency. Sure, as far as I know, they

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<v Speaker 2>didn't like go into any houses unbidden though.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and we're not trying to say, like in a

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<v Speaker 3>case like that, like bust down some doors, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>Like I'm not saying like cops shouldn't be doing this stuff. Well,

0:18:07.600 --> 0:18:09.480
<v Speaker 3>there were like two bombers on the loose, so I

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<v Speaker 3>get it.

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<v Speaker 2>Even still, the cops don't want to bust down a

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<v Speaker 2>door because they're going to have to prove exigence circumstances,

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<v Speaker 2>and if they can't, then any evidence that they got

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<v Speaker 2>from an unlawful searches out the door, and so their

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<v Speaker 2>case could be as well.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you gotta be careful stuff like that. Past thing

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<v Speaker 3>you want to do is have your purp walk you

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<v Speaker 3>like all.

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<v Speaker 2>This cops speak, Yeah walk.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, if you're purp walks because of bad, bad evidence,

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<v Speaker 3>then you're gonna be uh, what's.

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<v Speaker 2>What's it called?

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<v Speaker 3>When the cop gets eighty six eighty six suspended without pay.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm feeling like we're channeling the TV show episode we Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, you're like we had a TV show. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I just owned out about that. Okay, where are we then? Well?

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<v Speaker 2>I was saying that one of the hallmarks of a

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<v Speaker 2>good man hunt is having a lot of people doing

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of work. And again, Boston was a good

0:19:10.160 --> 0:19:12.720
<v Speaker 2>example of that. You had a lot of different law

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<v Speaker 2>enforcement agencies, basically ones you hadn't even heard of, all

0:19:16.640 --> 0:19:18.240
<v Speaker 2>ponying up personnel.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean you're gonna get state cops, local cops, sheriffs, FBI,

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<v Speaker 3>and that that's for a case like that, or obviously

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<v Speaker 3>if it's something like UBL then everyone seems you're a

0:19:31.920 --> 0:19:34.480
<v Speaker 3>dark thirty or if you haven't, you should. You've got

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<v Speaker 3>like thousands of people over a decade, all over the

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<v Speaker 3>world working together.

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<v Speaker 2>It was just that one lady.

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<v Speaker 3>It was just the one lady, the pretty redhead.

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<v Speaker 2>So the author of this article makes a pretty good

0:19:49.920 --> 0:19:52.320
<v Speaker 2>point that during a man hunt there is such a

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<v Speaker 2>thing as what in police speak would be called collateral damage.

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<v Speaker 2>I guess sure. Like the LAPD search for Christopher Dorner

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<v Speaker 2>is a very good example of this. Do you remember

0:20:05.000 --> 0:20:05.440
<v Speaker 2>that case?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, man, that was freaky.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. There's like, there's a Facebook page it's twenty thousand

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<v Speaker 2>plus people strong that says it's called we Stand with

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<v Speaker 2>Christopher Dorner. Oh really yeah, because he left behind. So

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<v Speaker 2>he was an LAPD officer who was fired for making

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<v Speaker 2>a false accusation against another cop, right when he reported

0:20:25.359 --> 0:20:27.920
<v Speaker 2>that a cop he was working with kicked a homeless

0:20:27.920 --> 0:20:30.960
<v Speaker 2>man during an arrest. But that was false. It was

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<v Speaker 2>found false, and he was fired as a result. From

0:20:34.040 --> 0:20:36.520
<v Speaker 2>his perspective, if you see it through his through his eyes,

0:20:36.880 --> 0:20:38.479
<v Speaker 2>that was all just a huge cover up, and they

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<v Speaker 2>got rid of the troublemaker who was not, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>going with the flow on the force.

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<v Speaker 3>The LAPD covering up seas right, that's weird.

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<v Speaker 2>So he leaves this like angry manifesto about you know

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<v Speaker 2>how the LAPD is the most corrupt organization on the

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<v Speaker 2>planet and it's racist and yeah, there's a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>people out there who are like, I know this to

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<v Speaker 2>be true. Yeah, I've I've been on the wrong end

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<v Speaker 2>of a night stick with the LAPD.

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<v Speaker 3>I've seen LA confidential, Yeah exactly, and that's in the forties. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>I mean it's that's I know they've cleaned it up

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<v Speaker 3>a lot, but that is one department in this country

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<v Speaker 3>that's been fraught with allegation.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and his point was they haven't cleaned it up

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<v Speaker 2>a lot, they've just gotten better at PR. So he

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<v Speaker 2>goes on, he takes the manifesto and ends up going

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<v Speaker 2>on in assassination killing spree, killing cops. Yeah, killed the

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<v Speaker 2>woman who represented him in his case, who is the

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<v Speaker 2>daughter of a cop.

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<v Speaker 3>And it was announced like that's what's so scary about

0:21:33.520 --> 0:21:35.720
<v Speaker 3>it was like he was like, Hey, I'm coming to

0:21:35.800 --> 0:21:38.960
<v Speaker 3>kill cops. Exactly, You're not going to see me coming either.

0:21:39.000 --> 0:21:41.320
<v Speaker 2>He was on a rampage. Yeah, it was scary stoff.

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<v Speaker 2>So the LAPD is super jumpy at this point and

0:21:44.680 --> 0:21:49.040
<v Speaker 2>they fire on not one but two cars that don't

0:21:49.040 --> 0:21:53.040
<v Speaker 2>have Christopher Dorner in them. Killed two people unbelievable as

0:21:53.040 --> 0:21:57.600
<v Speaker 2>a result. And finally there's this standoff after they find

0:21:57.640 --> 0:22:02.440
<v Speaker 2>him thanks to some Ark rangers in Big Bear or

0:22:02.520 --> 0:22:04.320
<v Speaker 2>Big Sir, one of the two they had Big Bear

0:22:04.400 --> 0:22:08.080
<v Speaker 2>Big Bear, and he ends up setting the cabin he's

0:22:08.119 --> 0:22:10.920
<v Speaker 2>in on fire and haishing in flames. That was crazy,

0:22:11.080 --> 0:22:15.399
<v Speaker 2>But the fact is two different cars were shot on

0:22:15.520 --> 0:22:20.800
<v Speaker 2>by the LAPD during the search for this guy. So

0:22:22.280 --> 0:22:26.240
<v Speaker 2>these aren't just necessarily clean affairs. Same with Ben Lawden.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, this was part of the campaign that took

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<v Speaker 2>place over a very long time and a lot of

0:22:31.119 --> 0:22:35.960
<v Speaker 2>people were killed to weaken the structure that was hiding him.

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<v Speaker 3>Still, yeah, drone strikes out the wazoo.

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<v Speaker 2>They used some.

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<v Speaker 3>Pretty interesting tactics too that were not in the movie,

0:22:44.560 --> 0:22:47.000
<v Speaker 3>even though I've heard the movie is pretty accurate, but

0:22:47.320 --> 0:22:50.720
<v Speaker 3>they didn't include everything obviously. They sent a doctor in

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<v Speaker 3>a CIA guy who conducted an immunization drive in the

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<v Speaker 3>neighborhood where they believed his compound was there and basically

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<v Speaker 3>hoping to come across DNA from him or his family

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<v Speaker 3>under the guise of a blood drive.

0:23:06.400 --> 0:23:08.160
<v Speaker 2>Right, it was an ammunization driver.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, they didn't call it like, hey, it's a DNA collection,

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<v Speaker 3>right drive.

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<v Speaker 2>But there was a big public outcry, especially from the

0:23:15.359 --> 0:23:18.399
<v Speaker 2>vaccine establishment, saying like, dude, you can't do that because

0:23:18.400 --> 0:23:20.520
<v Speaker 2>now our name is on that vaccine right and the

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<v Speaker 2>next time we want to have a real vaccine drive,

0:23:23.200 --> 0:23:25.880
<v Speaker 2>no one's going to show up, and our vaccination people

0:23:25.880 --> 0:23:27.600
<v Speaker 2>are going to get killed because they're going to think

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<v Speaker 2>they're CIA. Yeah, there's a big beef, a big hubbub

0:23:31.600 --> 0:23:32.639
<v Speaker 2>about that. That's legit.

0:23:34.480 --> 0:23:37.000
<v Speaker 3>These days, it's tough, especially if you're in a city

0:23:37.040 --> 0:23:41.879
<v Speaker 3>like London, England, to do anything without being caught on

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<v Speaker 3>a closed circuit camera.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>In fact, that's how they eventually identified with the help

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<v Speaker 3>of actually one of the victims. In Boston, they were

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<v Speaker 3>on camera too, But if you're in a big city,

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<v Speaker 3>it's tough to get away with.

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<v Speaker 2>Anything these days. Cameras are everywhere.

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<v Speaker 3>They also have I mentioned the infrared device, the forward

0:24:03.280 --> 0:24:07.919
<v Speaker 3>looking infrared device, night vision. You've got all sorts of

0:24:07.960 --> 0:24:11.959
<v Speaker 3>tricks up your sleeve as law enforcement agencies. You think

0:24:12.000 --> 0:24:14.760
<v Speaker 3>you're hiding in a boat under a tarp, that's pretty safe.

0:24:15.119 --> 0:24:17.399
<v Speaker 3>You don't think about the dude with the predator camera

0:24:17.960 --> 0:24:19.960
<v Speaker 3>that can see you from you know, fifty feet away,

0:24:20.040 --> 0:24:20.720
<v Speaker 3>breathing heavily.

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<v Speaker 2>Right.

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<v Speaker 3>They also have like armored trucks. I think you mentioned those, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>even not even about this.

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<v Speaker 2>Like from Diehard.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and you see those things roll in like I'm

0:24:30.840 --> 0:24:32.560
<v Speaker 3>sure they love to play with those once a year.

0:24:32.680 --> 0:24:36.080
<v Speaker 3>Again that was LAPD Yeah, but those are very expensive,

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<v Speaker 3>but they do come in handy. I guess about once

0:24:39.600 --> 0:24:42.359
<v Speaker 3>a year if you can afford it, if your town's

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<v Speaker 3>large enough.

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<v Speaker 2>We should say that there was facial recognition software that

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<v Speaker 2>they had working on the video for the Boston bombing

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<v Speaker 2>and it did not work.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, we have an article on that. By the way,

0:24:54.240 --> 0:24:55.600
<v Speaker 3>I think we should cover that at some point.

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<v Speaker 2>Facial recognition. Yeah, yeah, that's scary stuff. Google has one

0:25:01.080 --> 0:25:04.080
<v Speaker 2>that like they won't they won't release to the publicly

0:25:04.119 --> 0:25:06.080
<v Speaker 2>because they're afraid of the use it'll be put to.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like that good wow, and that potentially bad.

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<v Speaker 3>But the one the CIA has doesn't work that well.

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<v Speaker 2>I could see Google having way better algorithms than the CIA.

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<v Speaker 2>That's true, so chuck. Another aspect of Boston search, the

0:25:22.920 --> 0:25:25.919
<v Speaker 2>Boston man hunt, yeah, was the use of social media

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<v Speaker 2>for good and ill or did good effect and bad?

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<v Speaker 2>I should say, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Getting the word out on Facebook and Twitter is not

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<v Speaker 3>a bad idea.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Well, the Reddit was kind of the star of

0:25:38.119 --> 0:25:42.240
<v Speaker 2>the show or the scapegoat, I should say, for social

0:25:42.280 --> 0:25:45.199
<v Speaker 2>media in the search for the Boston bombing suspects, because

0:25:45.560 --> 0:25:50.320
<v Speaker 2>there were apparently like a couple thousand stills, video stills

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<v Speaker 2>and photographs from the area around the time. Of the

0:25:53.400 --> 0:25:58.119
<v Speaker 2>bombing posted on a reddit subreddit. Yeah, and all of

0:25:58.160 --> 0:26:00.960
<v Speaker 2>these people were like combing through like they were trying

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<v Speaker 2>to crowdsource this man hunt.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, which is a good intention.

0:26:04.080 --> 0:26:07.159
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they were looking for suspects before anybody ever released

0:26:07.200 --> 0:26:12.679
<v Speaker 2>any official photos, and that in and of itself is

0:26:12.800 --> 0:26:15.880
<v Speaker 2>kind of a good idea, sure, but it went a

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<v Speaker 2>step further where the people on Reddit were saying, Okay,

0:26:20.440 --> 0:26:22.000
<v Speaker 2>I've got to figure it out, and it's this person,

0:26:22.440 --> 0:26:24.520
<v Speaker 2>and they would name a suspect, and all of a sudden,

0:26:24.520 --> 0:26:28.479
<v Speaker 2>there's a rumor out there that this person bombed the

0:26:28.480 --> 0:26:32.880
<v Speaker 2>Boston marathon, even though they hadn't so read. It took

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of heat for that, and apparently they even

0:26:35.280 --> 0:26:40.320
<v Speaker 2>took that forum down. But social media also helped in

0:26:40.359 --> 0:26:45.320
<v Speaker 2>a lot of ways because everybody was totally connected to

0:26:45.400 --> 0:26:48.359
<v Speaker 2>this man hunt and had completely up to the date,

0:26:48.520 --> 0:26:52.440
<v Speaker 2>information to the minute, information from within that containment area,

0:26:52.480 --> 0:26:56.600
<v Speaker 2>from everywhere, and I guess kind of helped a little

0:26:56.600 --> 0:26:59.560
<v Speaker 2>more than just passively watching television during a man hunt.

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<v Speaker 3>You know the point one of my favorite man hunts,

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<v Speaker 3>and this is weird to say that, but actually, you

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<v Speaker 3>know what, let's take a break. I'm going to tease that,

0:27:07.800 --> 0:27:09.800
<v Speaker 3>and I'm going to reveal my favorite man hunt after

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<v Speaker 3>the break.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, So who is it. It's the Unibomber.

0:27:33.680 --> 0:27:37.199
<v Speaker 3>Oh okay, Yeah, that's Kidzinski was on the LAMB for

0:27:37.320 --> 0:27:41.399
<v Speaker 3>eighteen years. One of the lengthiest manhunts in US history.

0:27:41.920 --> 0:27:44.760
<v Speaker 3>Not easy to hide out for that long and he

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<v Speaker 3>did it, which he did it in the wild of Montana.

0:27:49.000 --> 0:27:50.000
<v Speaker 2>Just pretty good idea.

0:27:50.040 --> 0:27:52.120
<v Speaker 3>I guess if you're going to hide out, just drop

0:27:52.200 --> 0:27:55.480
<v Speaker 3>off the map. Yeah, type manifestos. Actually Montana. They should

0:27:55.480 --> 0:27:58.040
<v Speaker 3>have been looking there, They should have been going there first.

0:27:58.520 --> 0:28:04.320
<v Speaker 3>But he mailed sixteen bombs over the course of quite

0:28:04.320 --> 0:28:07.480
<v Speaker 3>a few years and ended up killing three people, wounding

0:28:07.480 --> 0:28:11.040
<v Speaker 3>twenty three more, and had a million dollar bounty on

0:28:11.080 --> 0:28:15.280
<v Speaker 3>his head. Was one of the most wanted and eventually

0:28:15.440 --> 0:28:18.080
<v Speaker 3>he was rooted out by his own brother, who read

0:28:18.160 --> 0:28:22.680
<v Speaker 3>one of the manifestos and said that sounds like Teddy Yeah,

0:28:22.800 --> 0:28:24.880
<v Speaker 3>and went to the cops and said, hey, this guy

0:28:25.000 --> 0:28:28.520
<v Speaker 3>might be my brother. The writing style, the things he's

0:28:28.520 --> 0:28:30.840
<v Speaker 3>saying like it very well could be my brother.

0:28:30.880 --> 0:28:33.400
<v Speaker 2>And it turned out that was him, right, So, which

0:28:33.440 --> 0:28:37.240
<v Speaker 2>is another another point for the case that for a

0:28:37.280 --> 0:28:39.880
<v Speaker 2>man hunt to work, you have to get the public involved,

0:28:39.880 --> 0:28:42.360
<v Speaker 2>and they did so by publishing these manifestos and said,

0:28:42.400 --> 0:28:46.920
<v Speaker 2>anybody familiar with this? Yeah, and the guy's brother said, yeah, me, Yeah,

0:28:47.000 --> 0:28:51.280
<v Speaker 2>same with Eric Robert Rudolph. Yeah, that's his name. I

0:28:51.280 --> 0:28:52.560
<v Speaker 2>don't remember how they caught him.

0:28:54.120 --> 0:28:57.080
<v Speaker 3>I believe it was hikers in the woods, Okay, turned

0:28:57.120 --> 0:28:59.320
<v Speaker 3>him in. I might be wrong, but he was definitely

0:28:59.360 --> 0:29:01.480
<v Speaker 3>hiding out in the woods. And he was, of course

0:29:01.480 --> 0:29:05.280
<v Speaker 3>the Olympic bomber, not the guy they originally in pended on,

0:29:05.320 --> 0:29:06.320
<v Speaker 3>which was pretty.

0:29:06.080 --> 0:29:09.840
<v Speaker 2>Sad, right. What was his name, Richard Jewel? Yeah?

0:29:09.920 --> 0:29:11.920
<v Speaker 3>Man, I felt so bad for that dude.

0:29:12.000 --> 0:29:12.280
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

0:29:12.400 --> 0:29:14.479
<v Speaker 3>Can you imagine, like life ruined?

0:29:15.080 --> 0:29:19.040
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and they compensated him pretty handsomely afterward. But then

0:29:19.040 --> 0:29:22.160
<v Speaker 2>he only lived a couple of several million. Oh yeah,

0:29:22.200 --> 0:29:24.080
<v Speaker 2>he died of a heart attack a few years after that.

0:29:24.360 --> 0:29:26.320
<v Speaker 3>I don't think I knew that. Yeah, it's because he's like,

0:29:26.320 --> 0:29:29.400
<v Speaker 3>I'm eating steak in lobster every night. Now ask me

0:29:29.440 --> 0:29:30.920
<v Speaker 3>the drawn butter or Richard Jewel.

0:29:31.200 --> 0:29:34.640
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I didn't know he died. Yeah, And then so

0:29:35.240 --> 0:29:39.800
<v Speaker 2>back to online real quick. There's there's evidence that you

0:29:39.840 --> 0:29:43.040
<v Speaker 2>can crowdsource a man hunt. Yeah, there's a whole group

0:29:43.120 --> 0:29:46.240
<v Speaker 2>of people that live online that are into true crime,

0:29:46.800 --> 0:29:50.160
<v Speaker 2>that are that like use their interest in their online

0:29:50.200 --> 0:29:53.280
<v Speaker 2>search skills to try to find the identities of like

0:29:53.520 --> 0:29:56.640
<v Speaker 2>long lost serial killers. And there's all sorts of online

0:29:56.640 --> 0:29:59.840
<v Speaker 2>man hunts that amateurs take on. And apparently the State

0:30:00.000 --> 0:30:04.360
<v Speaker 2>Department held something called the Tag Challenge where they had

0:30:04.520 --> 0:30:10.920
<v Speaker 2>people hiding in cities around the world and people had

0:30:10.920 --> 0:30:15.080
<v Speaker 2>twelve hours online contestants had twelve hours to find them

0:30:15.360 --> 0:30:17.800
<v Speaker 2>in like these five different cities. That's fun, using just

0:30:17.920 --> 0:30:23.240
<v Speaker 2>mugshots and it worked. So they found that with a search,

0:30:23.320 --> 0:30:26.920
<v Speaker 2>as time becomes more of an essence, is the pressure

0:30:27.080 --> 0:30:31.920
<v Speaker 2>mount people stopped just shooting the info out to wherever

0:30:31.960 --> 0:30:35.160
<v Speaker 2>they can and start like really targeting, focusing their search.

0:30:35.720 --> 0:30:38.080
<v Speaker 2>And once you have a bunch of people doing that

0:30:38.720 --> 0:30:40.800
<v Speaker 2>who are really focused in searching, but a lot of

0:30:40.840 --> 0:30:44.680
<v Speaker 2>them and sharing information like on social media, that's when

0:30:44.920 --> 0:30:48.080
<v Speaker 2>they like a search and not just a manhunt or

0:30:48.080 --> 0:30:51.600
<v Speaker 2>search for a person, but a search for anything becomes

0:30:52.680 --> 0:30:53.440
<v Speaker 2>most successful.

0:30:53.480 --> 0:30:56.120
<v Speaker 3>I guess, well, yeah, imagine in Boston, I bet every

0:30:56.800 --> 0:31:00.280
<v Speaker 3>thousands of people in that twenty square block radius are

0:31:00.280 --> 0:31:01.240
<v Speaker 3>looking out of their window.

0:31:02.200 --> 0:31:04.720
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, for this dude. Yeah, so you've.

0:31:04.560 --> 0:31:08.120
<v Speaker 3>Got thousands and thousands of more eyeballs. That's two eyeballs

0:31:08.160 --> 0:31:11.239
<v Speaker 3>per person in most cases, unless you're one of those

0:31:11.280 --> 0:31:16.160
<v Speaker 3>weird pirates Boston pirates. And that's just that helps you know, yeap,

0:31:16.160 --> 0:31:19.000
<v Speaker 3>as long as they're not out, don't grab their guns

0:31:19.040 --> 0:31:23.120
<v Speaker 3>and you know, get in position. Well, yeah, that's a scary.

0:31:23.280 --> 0:31:25.959
<v Speaker 2>Well that's why they released the pictures of the suspects finally,

0:31:25.960 --> 0:31:29.760
<v Speaker 2>because they were trying to crack down on online vigil

0:31:29.760 --> 0:31:32.520
<v Speaker 2>anianism that could lead to real life vigilaniism.

0:31:32.680 --> 0:31:37.640
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so hats off to the dude who saw the

0:31:37.720 --> 0:31:38.440
<v Speaker 3>dude in the boat.

0:31:40.720 --> 0:31:43.000
<v Speaker 2>You got anything else? I got nothing else? All right, Well,

0:31:43.040 --> 0:31:44.760
<v Speaker 2>if you want to learn more about manhunts, you can

0:31:44.840 --> 0:31:46.840
<v Speaker 2>tuck that word in the search bar at house Stuff Works.

0:31:46.840 --> 0:31:49.520
<v Speaker 2>And since I said search bar, that means it's time

0:31:49.640 --> 0:31:53.320
<v Speaker 2>for listener mail. Yeah.

0:31:53.320 --> 0:31:56.240
<v Speaker 3>I'm going to call this Chess about Chess, and I'm

0:31:56.240 --> 0:31:59.000
<v Speaker 3>gonna read a couple of them, not here, but one

0:31:59.080 --> 0:32:00.720
<v Speaker 3>now and one another of so because we got a

0:32:00.760 --> 0:32:04.400
<v Speaker 3>lot of great feedback from Chest enthusiasts, I noticed people

0:32:04.440 --> 0:32:05.440
<v Speaker 3>dig this game.

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<v Speaker 2>This is from David Wagner.

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<v Speaker 3>Hey, guys, while you were discussing the concept of castling,

0:32:12.040 --> 0:32:14.880
<v Speaker 3>y'all said you didn't quite understand the value or strategy

0:32:14.920 --> 0:32:15.360
<v Speaker 3>behind it.

0:32:15.720 --> 0:32:16.160
<v Speaker 2>You're right.

0:32:16.240 --> 0:32:18.640
<v Speaker 3>It is all about protecting the king. Remember how you

0:32:18.680 --> 0:32:20.360
<v Speaker 3>pointed out that you want to control the center of

0:32:20.400 --> 0:32:22.760
<v Speaker 3>the board. Yes, that when your pieces are off to

0:32:22.800 --> 0:32:25.440
<v Speaker 3>the side, they're not as strong. Yes, well, that has

0:32:25.480 --> 0:32:27.880
<v Speaker 3>a lot to do with why you want to castle. Basically,

0:32:27.960 --> 0:32:30.440
<v Speaker 3>the king is more vulnerable, open to attacks and has

0:32:30.520 --> 0:32:33.760
<v Speaker 3>less protection when he remains in his original ear d square,

0:32:34.160 --> 0:32:35.800
<v Speaker 3>So you want to castle him and get him away

0:32:35.840 --> 0:32:37.040
<v Speaker 3>from those center squares.

0:32:37.160 --> 0:32:37.520
<v Speaker 2>Gotcha.

0:32:38.440 --> 0:32:41.160
<v Speaker 3>Also, you talk about the en passant rule, which is

0:32:41.160 --> 0:32:43.920
<v Speaker 3>one of my favorites and something almost.

0:32:43.600 --> 0:32:44.480
<v Speaker 2>Never pass up.

0:32:45.280 --> 0:32:48.880
<v Speaker 3>He's not like TV Herman, mostly because I get because

0:32:48.880 --> 0:32:51.000
<v Speaker 3>I rarely get a chance to implement it. It doesn't

0:32:51.080 --> 0:32:55.120
<v Speaker 3>happen when a pond passes another pawn though on its

0:32:55.160 --> 0:32:57.959
<v Speaker 3>first move out. It is when it lands next to

0:32:58.000 --> 0:33:01.440
<v Speaker 3>another pawn that the latter pond capture it. So I

0:33:01.440 --> 0:33:02.480
<v Speaker 3>think we screwed that up a little.

0:33:02.520 --> 0:33:05.880
<v Speaker 2>Ye up, big time? Not big time. We were close. No,

0:33:06.080 --> 0:33:07.680
<v Speaker 2>I got that way wrong.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, one last thing and then I'll quit chess pieces.

0:33:11.680 --> 0:33:14.680
<v Speaker 3>You're gonna love this, and their's symbols on top. Many

0:33:14.720 --> 0:33:19.200
<v Speaker 3>of the basic pieces themselves serve as visual reminders of

0:33:19.240 --> 0:33:21.840
<v Speaker 3>how they can move. For example, the night is l shaped,

0:33:22.000 --> 0:33:24.800
<v Speaker 3>which is how it moves. The bishop's miter has a

0:33:24.840 --> 0:33:28.720
<v Speaker 3>diagonal slit in it. They move diagonally. The rook, when

0:33:28.720 --> 0:33:32.840
<v Speaker 3>seen from above, can move in the basic cardinal directions forward, back, left, right,

0:33:33.280 --> 0:33:35.520
<v Speaker 3>and on top of the rook there are turrets pointing

0:33:35.520 --> 0:33:36.680
<v Speaker 3>in all the cardinal directions.

0:33:36.800 --> 0:33:37.040
<v Speaker 2>Nice.

0:33:37.280 --> 0:33:39.320
<v Speaker 3>A queen has many points on her crown showing that

0:33:39.320 --> 0:33:42.400
<v Speaker 3>she can go in any way, any direction, and that

0:33:42.480 --> 0:33:45.440
<v Speaker 3>small little cross on top of the king lets you

0:33:45.520 --> 0:33:48.160
<v Speaker 3>know how far he can go, although that doesn't include

0:33:48.200 --> 0:33:49.680
<v Speaker 3>his diagonomos, which he can.

0:33:49.520 --> 0:33:51.960
<v Speaker 2>Move in, so that on the whole theory kind of

0:33:52.000 --> 0:33:54.600
<v Speaker 2>falls apart there a little bit.

0:33:55.360 --> 0:33:59.000
<v Speaker 3>But that is from David Wagner in Columbia, South Carolina.

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<v Speaker 2>Nice, Thanks a lot, Wagner. That was a great email, pleasant, approachable,

0:34:04.800 --> 0:34:07.480
<v Speaker 2>gentle with the correction, just good stuff all around. You

0:34:07.480 --> 0:34:10.720
<v Speaker 2>can dance to it. You're right man. Way to go, Wagner.

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