1 00:00:00,840 --> 00:00:07,480 Speaker 1: Hi, everybody be on the lookout. APB, middle aged white 2 00:00:07,520 --> 00:00:13,800 Speaker 1: male podcaster on the loose, guilty of bad jokes. Manhunt underway. 3 00:00:14,800 --> 00:00:19,240 Speaker 1: That's right, everyone, how man hunts work? December sixteenth, twenty thirteen. 4 00:00:19,760 --> 00:00:21,520 Speaker 1: Enjoy it right here, right now. 5 00:00:21,880 --> 00:00:22,560 Speaker 2: Now I've got to go. 6 00:00:22,720 --> 00:00:29,000 Speaker 3: I'm on the LAMB. Welcome to Stuff you should know, 7 00:00:29,360 --> 00:00:35,320 Speaker 3: a production of iHeartRadio. 8 00:00:36,880 --> 00:00:39,479 Speaker 2: Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark. There's 9 00:00:39,560 --> 00:00:42,760 Speaker 2: child Chuck Bryant. Guest producer Noel is hanging out with 10 00:00:42,840 --> 00:00:46,000 Speaker 2: us for today. Noel, and that makes the stuff you 11 00:00:46,000 --> 00:00:50,720 Speaker 2: should know the podcast. That's right. I gotta come in 12 00:00:50,760 --> 00:00:53,040 Speaker 2: with something different to call it, so you should know 13 00:00:53,360 --> 00:00:55,480 Speaker 2: the podcast. It's boring. 14 00:00:56,320 --> 00:01:02,240 Speaker 3: We're the explanerators infocast, right, I don't know. 15 00:01:02,360 --> 00:01:07,920 Speaker 2: Podcast is what it is? Edertainment? Chuck. Yes, do you 16 00:01:07,959 --> 00:01:11,440 Speaker 2: know of a man named James Earl Ray? Yeah? Yeah, 17 00:01:11,480 --> 00:01:15,640 Speaker 2: a jerk, Yes, I saw him. I saw him referred 18 00:01:15,640 --> 00:01:18,200 Speaker 2: to as dim witted. Oh really yeah, which makes his 19 00:01:18,400 --> 00:01:22,240 Speaker 2: escape pretty thrilling and yeah, suspect. Really well, let me 20 00:01:22,240 --> 00:01:24,160 Speaker 2: give you a little back out. So, James Earlray was 21 00:01:24,200 --> 00:01:28,080 Speaker 2: a Missouri prison escape ee when he rolled into Memphis 22 00:01:28,440 --> 00:01:32,679 Speaker 2: to assassinate Martin Luther King Junior, Yes, who was in 23 00:01:32,720 --> 00:01:36,360 Speaker 2: Memphis to support the sanitation workers strike there in nineteen 24 00:01:36,400 --> 00:01:40,640 Speaker 2: sixty eight. And James Earl Ray got a room across 25 00:01:40,880 --> 00:01:44,240 Speaker 2: the street from the Lorraine Hotel where MLKA was staying, 26 00:01:44,680 --> 00:01:48,080 Speaker 2: apparently published in the papers not only where he was staying, 27 00:01:48,080 --> 00:01:50,360 Speaker 2: but his room number, which I guess was custom at 28 00:01:50,360 --> 00:01:53,480 Speaker 2: the time. Actually, from what I understand, it was customary. Okay, 29 00:01:53,680 --> 00:01:56,800 Speaker 2: it wasn't unheard of. And James Rolway got a room, 30 00:01:57,280 --> 00:02:00,520 Speaker 2: found out that he had a decent shot at the 31 00:02:00,560 --> 00:02:04,920 Speaker 2: balcony outside of King's room if he leaned out of 32 00:02:04,960 --> 00:02:10,079 Speaker 2: the bathroom the shared bathroom of his communal hotel and 33 00:02:10,680 --> 00:02:13,440 Speaker 2: shared bathroom huh, shared bathroom down, So somebody could have 34 00:02:13,440 --> 00:02:15,600 Speaker 2: gone in and been like, oh sorry, sir, pretty much 35 00:02:15,639 --> 00:02:17,240 Speaker 2: didn't see you in here with that rifle, with that 36 00:02:17,320 --> 00:02:21,359 Speaker 2: huge hunting rifle. Yeah, Well he got a shot off, 37 00:02:21,360 --> 00:02:25,040 Speaker 2: he killed MLK, and he ran out of this place 38 00:02:25,080 --> 00:02:27,880 Speaker 2: that was referred to as a flophouse, and he left 39 00:02:27,919 --> 00:02:31,520 Speaker 2: behind valuable evidence with his prints on it, namely the rifle, 40 00:02:31,720 --> 00:02:34,040 Speaker 2: a bundle of his clothing, and some other stuff that 41 00:02:34,080 --> 00:02:37,720 Speaker 2: they used to create a trail for James Rolway, got 42 00:02:37,720 --> 00:02:41,960 Speaker 2: a name, eventually got a picture, and James Roway made 43 00:02:41,960 --> 00:02:44,919 Speaker 2: it out of Memphis and he actually made it to Canada, 44 00:02:45,520 --> 00:02:50,040 Speaker 2: and he made it to Portugal and then the UK. 45 00:02:51,600 --> 00:02:55,600 Speaker 2: And the way he made it was under an assumed passport, 46 00:02:55,680 --> 00:03:02,120 Speaker 2: which for a dim witted Missouri prison escapee, a forged passport. 47 00:03:02,240 --> 00:03:03,560 Speaker 2: That's pretty heavy stuff. 48 00:03:04,360 --> 00:03:06,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it was probably easier back then. 49 00:03:06,880 --> 00:03:09,799 Speaker 2: Well, okay, you know he was traveling under the name 50 00:03:09,880 --> 00:03:13,040 Speaker 2: George Ramon Snead right, Yes, And they found out that 51 00:03:13,120 --> 00:03:17,680 Speaker 2: he was traveling under that name because Canadian police, after 52 00:03:17,720 --> 00:03:22,440 Speaker 2: being contacted by American authorities with a picture of James Roway, 53 00:03:22,720 --> 00:03:27,680 Speaker 2: went through about one hundred and fifty thousand passports that 54 00:03:27,720 --> 00:03:31,400 Speaker 2: they had accepted. I guess they had copies of them, yeah, 55 00:03:32,080 --> 00:03:34,480 Speaker 2: I think about it, and then finally found one that 56 00:03:34,520 --> 00:03:38,480 Speaker 2: looked like James Rolray found out that the person traveling 57 00:03:38,520 --> 00:03:41,800 Speaker 2: under that passport was in fact at Heathrow Airport or 58 00:03:41,840 --> 00:03:44,280 Speaker 2: in London. Yeah, and when he went to Heathrow Airport, 59 00:03:44,320 --> 00:03:46,360 Speaker 2: they apprehended him and he said, you got me. I'm 60 00:03:46,440 --> 00:03:48,280 Speaker 2: James Olwray and I killed MLK. 61 00:03:48,560 --> 00:03:50,960 Speaker 3: Imagine that was tough because everyone back then looked like 62 00:03:51,040 --> 00:03:51,680 Speaker 3: James Rolray. 63 00:03:51,920 --> 00:03:52,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, pretty much. 64 00:03:52,800 --> 00:03:54,960 Speaker 3: You know, all those dudes looked the same back in 65 00:03:55,000 --> 00:03:58,720 Speaker 3: the fifties, although this was the sixties, but he still 66 00:03:58,720 --> 00:03:59,680 Speaker 3: looked like that in the fifties. 67 00:03:59,800 --> 00:04:01,400 Speaker 2: Looked fifties ish, he did. 68 00:04:02,400 --> 00:04:05,720 Speaker 3: And he confessed and then later on, of course, recanted 69 00:04:05,720 --> 00:04:08,080 Speaker 3: and said no, I was part of a plot and 70 00:04:08,120 --> 00:04:12,120 Speaker 3: a conspiracy, and they said ts. 71 00:04:12,120 --> 00:04:14,040 Speaker 2: Well, actually the King family said, you know what, we 72 00:04:14,160 --> 00:04:17,240 Speaker 2: think this guy's telling the truth, and they got a 73 00:04:17,279 --> 00:04:20,719 Speaker 2: new trial brought and he died in prison before he 74 00:04:20,760 --> 00:04:22,920 Speaker 2: could be brought to trial again. 75 00:04:23,040 --> 00:04:25,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, in the late nineties. Yeah, and then you two 76 00:04:25,520 --> 00:04:28,360 Speaker 3: wrote a song about it. What song it was, the 77 00:04:28,400 --> 00:04:31,679 Speaker 3: song Pride in the Name of Love? Oh yeah, early 78 00:04:31,680 --> 00:04:32,400 Speaker 3: morning April four. 79 00:04:33,320 --> 00:04:36,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, but that came before James lay. Yeah, what do 80 00:04:36,839 --> 00:04:39,360 Speaker 2: you mean you said, and then you two wrote it 81 00:04:39,440 --> 00:04:42,239 Speaker 2: was just missing You confused me for a second. 82 00:04:42,360 --> 00:04:43,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, And I don't know if it was early morning either, 83 00:04:44,000 --> 00:04:45,960 Speaker 3: for I think for some reason I always heard that 84 00:04:46,279 --> 00:04:47,440 Speaker 3: Bono got that one wrong. 85 00:04:47,800 --> 00:04:49,479 Speaker 2: Oh really, yeah, I'll have to look that up. 86 00:04:49,520 --> 00:04:50,560 Speaker 3: I'm not sure what time it was. 87 00:04:51,440 --> 00:04:53,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm sure we could find out. 88 00:04:52,800 --> 00:04:54,720 Speaker 3: But Bono wouldn't say that morning is like a state 89 00:04:54,760 --> 00:05:00,520 Speaker 3: of mind or something. I'm cool, got on blue sunglasses always. 90 00:05:00,839 --> 00:05:05,440 Speaker 2: So the humph for James Earl Ray is just one example. 91 00:05:05,600 --> 00:05:11,039 Speaker 2: History is littered with manhunts, and what's strange about that 92 00:05:11,480 --> 00:05:15,559 Speaker 2: is that no manhunt really resembles other man hunts. 93 00:05:16,400 --> 00:05:19,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, it's it's weird, like you can hole 94 00:05:19,720 --> 00:05:23,200 Speaker 3: up in the woods for years and then eventually get caught, 95 00:05:23,520 --> 00:05:26,360 Speaker 3: or if you're a whitey Bulger, you can go out 96 00:05:26,360 --> 00:05:28,960 Speaker 3: in your driveway in Santa Monica and get caught. Like 97 00:05:29,720 --> 00:05:33,120 Speaker 3: I guess, no manhunt is the same, because no going 98 00:05:33,160 --> 00:05:35,839 Speaker 3: on the lamb is the same. Some prefer hideen plane 99 00:05:35,839 --> 00:05:38,240 Speaker 3: sight deal, some prefer the middle of the woods. Some 100 00:05:38,279 --> 00:05:40,720 Speaker 3: people prefer you know, Bolivia. 101 00:05:41,320 --> 00:05:44,880 Speaker 2: Sure you know, Nazis. What would you do if I 102 00:05:44,920 --> 00:05:45,800 Speaker 2: were on the run. 103 00:05:45,880 --> 00:05:47,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, on the lamb, I would. I would probably be 104 00:05:47,800 --> 00:05:48,920 Speaker 3: a woodland creature. 105 00:05:50,480 --> 00:05:52,440 Speaker 2: I don't know, But even if I did know, I 106 00:05:52,440 --> 00:05:54,839 Speaker 2: wouldn't say on the podcast because that'd be pretty dumb. 107 00:05:54,880 --> 00:05:56,479 Speaker 2: If in case I ever do need to go on 108 00:05:56,520 --> 00:05:57,440 Speaker 2: the lamb in the future. 109 00:05:57,520 --> 00:05:59,440 Speaker 3: Although the hide and plain sight thing is there's something 110 00:05:59,440 --> 00:06:00,120 Speaker 3: to be said for that. 111 00:06:00,440 --> 00:06:02,680 Speaker 2: Sure you know, Yeah, Well, I mean you've got to 112 00:06:02,720 --> 00:06:04,640 Speaker 2: get some plastic surgery done in this day and. 113 00:06:04,640 --> 00:06:07,760 Speaker 3: Age, Yeah, or just mesh your face up a little bit. 114 00:06:07,839 --> 00:06:10,240 Speaker 2: Well, actually, with Whitey Bulger, he was on the LAMB 115 00:06:10,240 --> 00:06:14,240 Speaker 2: with his longtime girlfriend Catherine Grieg I believe her name was, 116 00:06:15,480 --> 00:06:18,080 Speaker 2: and she had extensive plastic surgery. 117 00:06:19,360 --> 00:06:21,239 Speaker 3: And which had nothing to do with being on the LAMB. 118 00:06:21,839 --> 00:06:28,000 Speaker 2: They well, they she actually got them found. Oh really, yeah, 119 00:06:28,040 --> 00:06:33,120 Speaker 2: they're so. Whitey Bulger was on the LAMB for sixteen years, right, Yeah, 120 00:06:33,440 --> 00:06:36,040 Speaker 2: and it was he was up there with Osama bin 121 00:06:36,120 --> 00:06:40,160 Speaker 2: Laden as one of America's most wanted fugitives. There was 122 00:06:40,200 --> 00:06:42,400 Speaker 2: a million dollar bounty on it. Said it was big time, 123 00:06:43,000 --> 00:06:47,000 Speaker 2: and whenever they found out that he had been somewhere 124 00:06:47,760 --> 00:06:51,120 Speaker 2: where they thought he was somewhere, the FBI would take 125 00:06:51,160 --> 00:06:54,320 Speaker 2: out thirty second commercials on TV, yeah, saying have you 126 00:06:54,360 --> 00:06:56,159 Speaker 2: seen this man? Have you seen this woman? This woman 127 00:06:56,200 --> 00:06:59,320 Speaker 2: is known to frequent hair salons. This guy's Whitey Bulger. 128 00:06:59,640 --> 00:07:02,400 Speaker 2: You know the FBI if you see them in the 129 00:07:02,480 --> 00:07:07,680 Speaker 2: area during times when his girlfriend's demographic, Yeah, would be 130 00:07:07,760 --> 00:07:11,160 Speaker 2: watching TV. Oh sure, So this served a twofold purpose. 131 00:07:11,360 --> 00:07:13,840 Speaker 2: One if she saw it and he saw it, then 132 00:07:13,880 --> 00:07:16,280 Speaker 2: it would scare him and hopefully flush him out of hiding, 133 00:07:16,320 --> 00:07:18,160 Speaker 2: because it's a lot easier to catch somebody out in 134 00:07:18,200 --> 00:07:18,600 Speaker 2: the open. 135 00:07:18,720 --> 00:07:20,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, which is a common tactic, right. 136 00:07:21,240 --> 00:07:24,720 Speaker 2: Or two, the people that she might be friends with 137 00:07:24,760 --> 00:07:27,440 Speaker 2: and associate with could be watching TV at the time 138 00:07:27,640 --> 00:07:29,640 Speaker 2: and drop a dime on her. And in fact, that's 139 00:07:29,680 --> 00:07:30,280 Speaker 2: what happened. 140 00:07:30,480 --> 00:07:32,760 Speaker 3: Someone like some lady who gave her a pedicure. 141 00:07:32,400 --> 00:07:35,040 Speaker 2: Add a hair salon really called and said, I think 142 00:07:35,080 --> 00:07:37,240 Speaker 2: this woman that you're looking for is here, and this 143 00:07:37,280 --> 00:07:39,800 Speaker 2: is her address, And the cops went to the to 144 00:07:39,880 --> 00:07:44,080 Speaker 2: the apartment said sir, it looks like somebody broke into 145 00:07:44,080 --> 00:07:47,800 Speaker 2: your storage unit here around the corner. And why he 146 00:07:47,840 --> 00:07:49,880 Speaker 2: bowls your steps outside and they go clink clank. 147 00:07:51,560 --> 00:07:53,080 Speaker 3: Why did they even say that? Could they not go 148 00:07:53,120 --> 00:07:53,840 Speaker 3: inside or something? 149 00:07:53,920 --> 00:07:56,000 Speaker 2: I guess they didn't have enough probable cause they had 150 00:07:56,040 --> 00:07:59,280 Speaker 2: to lure him outside. I love that. That's okay, right. 151 00:07:59,320 --> 00:08:01,480 Speaker 3: It's not okay them in, but it's okay to lie 152 00:08:01,520 --> 00:08:03,560 Speaker 3: and say that your story unit's busted into. 153 00:08:03,720 --> 00:08:06,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, surprise he feel for that too. Yeah, I'm sure 154 00:08:06,400 --> 00:08:07,000 Speaker 2: he is too. 155 00:08:07,120 --> 00:08:09,120 Speaker 3: He might have gotten lazy after sixteen years. 156 00:08:09,760 --> 00:08:11,480 Speaker 2: I don't think so, man. I think he was really 157 00:08:11,520 --> 00:08:14,560 Speaker 2: wound up pretty tight. I read a long form article 158 00:08:14,840 --> 00:08:18,680 Speaker 2: by a neighbor of his, a young guy who befriended 159 00:08:18,720 --> 00:08:20,680 Speaker 2: him over the years, and he said he was wound 160 00:08:20,720 --> 00:08:22,840 Speaker 2: up real tight, always on the lookout. Did he write 161 00:08:22,840 --> 00:08:23,720 Speaker 2: a book seem cagey? 162 00:08:23,880 --> 00:08:25,720 Speaker 3: He will called like neighbor to the mob? 163 00:08:25,880 --> 00:08:29,400 Speaker 2: Pretty I'm sure, Matthew Modine. 164 00:08:29,640 --> 00:08:31,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, if I liok next to Whitey Bull dread, that 165 00:08:31,800 --> 00:08:34,880 Speaker 3: book would be on the shelves right now, sure, and 166 00:08:34,920 --> 00:08:36,480 Speaker 3: it would be called neighbor to the mob. 167 00:08:38,440 --> 00:08:43,320 Speaker 2: I wonder what Aaron Cooper's going to make that? So 168 00:08:43,400 --> 00:08:44,920 Speaker 2: who else we got? John Wilkes Booth. 169 00:08:45,040 --> 00:08:48,720 Speaker 3: He famously went on the lamb for a pretty short 170 00:08:48,720 --> 00:08:51,560 Speaker 3: time after he shot Lincoln twelve days and ended up 171 00:08:51,559 --> 00:08:54,320 Speaker 3: in a farmhouse where there's all kinds of stories on 172 00:08:54,360 --> 00:08:56,200 Speaker 3: how he might have died, whether he was burned alive 173 00:08:56,360 --> 00:08:59,160 Speaker 3: or whether he was truly rooted out by the fire 174 00:08:59,240 --> 00:08:59,959 Speaker 3: and then shot. 175 00:09:00,440 --> 00:09:03,040 Speaker 2: Did you die instantly? Did you linger for a while? 176 00:09:03,280 --> 00:09:06,240 Speaker 3: But either way, manhunts have been around as long as 177 00:09:06,480 --> 00:09:07,679 Speaker 3: people have been killing people. 178 00:09:07,880 --> 00:09:10,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, And there are some principles that do kind of 179 00:09:10,720 --> 00:09:15,559 Speaker 2: hold true for all man hunts across the board, and 180 00:09:16,080 --> 00:09:20,840 Speaker 2: pretty much one of them is get the public involved. Yeah, 181 00:09:21,160 --> 00:09:24,280 Speaker 2: because when you do that time and time again, manhunts 182 00:09:24,320 --> 00:09:26,400 Speaker 2: have shown that, like, somebody out there has seen this 183 00:09:26,440 --> 00:09:28,480 Speaker 2: person recently and will call right. 184 00:09:28,800 --> 00:09:31,920 Speaker 3: Especially these days with technology, with like everyone having a 185 00:09:31,960 --> 00:09:35,800 Speaker 3: camera in their pocket basically, or sharing on social media, 186 00:09:35,920 --> 00:09:39,320 Speaker 3: or being up to the second with news reports. It's 187 00:09:39,320 --> 00:09:40,840 Speaker 3: like it's made manhunts easier. 188 00:09:41,080 --> 00:09:44,360 Speaker 2: Yes, And then the other factor that makes for a 189 00:09:44,400 --> 00:09:49,040 Speaker 2: successful manhunt is having a lot of people doing a 190 00:09:49,080 --> 00:09:52,440 Speaker 2: lot of grunt work. Like, yeah, the Canadian officials going 191 00:09:52,440 --> 00:09:55,080 Speaker 2: through all of those passports to try to find one 192 00:09:55,120 --> 00:09:56,600 Speaker 2: that looked like James Rolay. 193 00:09:56,880 --> 00:10:00,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, I wonder how many people they visited before him, 194 00:10:01,200 --> 00:10:02,800 Speaker 3: like the other twelve guys that look just. 195 00:10:02,760 --> 00:10:26,200 Speaker 2: Like Cancel, Like, it's not me, so all right, Chuck. 196 00:10:26,280 --> 00:10:28,400 Speaker 2: So let's say that somebody's on the run in the 197 00:10:28,520 --> 00:10:31,400 Speaker 2: United States and it's not it's not a big deal. 198 00:10:31,440 --> 00:10:35,199 Speaker 2: It's not necessarily a national man hunt. It's a it's 199 00:10:35,240 --> 00:10:36,400 Speaker 2: a regional man hunt. 200 00:10:36,440 --> 00:10:40,200 Speaker 3: We'll say, Okay, like someone knocked off a liquor store 201 00:10:40,240 --> 00:10:42,680 Speaker 3: and shot somebody and was on the loose. Yeah, in 202 00:10:42,760 --> 00:10:43,400 Speaker 3: a neighborhood. 203 00:10:43,440 --> 00:10:45,080 Speaker 2: I want to find that guy. What do you do? 204 00:10:45,280 --> 00:10:48,560 Speaker 3: Well, I'm glad you asked, because I've done this. 205 00:10:50,480 --> 00:10:53,320 Speaker 2: With mirrored sunglasses on. Yeah, Bloodhound. 206 00:10:53,440 --> 00:10:55,960 Speaker 3: The first thing you gotta do, my friend, is contain 207 00:10:56,040 --> 00:11:00,200 Speaker 3: the area. It's called containment, and it sounds just like 208 00:11:00,240 --> 00:11:03,080 Speaker 3: what it is. You are basically trying to seal off 209 00:11:03,200 --> 00:11:07,520 Speaker 3: an area and watch all the possible exits from that area. 210 00:11:09,160 --> 00:11:10,880 Speaker 3: If it's a neighborhood, I guess you're going to just 211 00:11:11,000 --> 00:11:14,160 Speaker 3: pick out a certain amount of blockage and shut it 212 00:11:14,240 --> 00:11:19,680 Speaker 3: down and have cops posted at each street exit right, 213 00:11:19,800 --> 00:11:22,080 Speaker 3: and just know that we have at least this area 214 00:11:22,520 --> 00:11:24,920 Speaker 3: completely contained. If this dude is in here, and we're 215 00:11:24,920 --> 00:11:27,000 Speaker 3: going to say, guys, because how many times do women 216 00:11:27,040 --> 00:11:28,600 Speaker 3: do stupid stuff like this and go in the lamb? 217 00:11:28,679 --> 00:11:31,680 Speaker 2: Not much? You know? Sure? Have you not heard of 218 00:11:31,720 --> 00:11:32,560 Speaker 2: thellman Louise? 219 00:11:33,120 --> 00:11:34,080 Speaker 3: That's like the one thing. 220 00:11:34,480 --> 00:11:37,559 Speaker 2: So if you do have an area contained, what you 221 00:11:37,600 --> 00:11:40,680 Speaker 2: want to do is not just not let anybody in 222 00:11:40,800 --> 00:11:43,199 Speaker 2: or out without finding out if it's the person you're 223 00:11:43,240 --> 00:11:46,400 Speaker 2: looking for. Yeah, you also probably want to go door 224 00:11:46,440 --> 00:11:50,319 Speaker 2: to door and say, hey, are you being held hostage 225 00:11:50,400 --> 00:11:53,040 Speaker 2: right now? Did some guy with a gun come into 226 00:11:53,040 --> 00:11:56,360 Speaker 2: your basement window recently? And that's what they did? Actually, 227 00:11:56,480 --> 00:12:00,320 Speaker 2: or with a twenty square block area when there's parching 228 00:12:00,360 --> 00:12:01,400 Speaker 2: for the Boston Marathon. 229 00:12:01,440 --> 00:12:04,720 Speaker 3: Bombers, Yeah, should we talk about those guys real quick? 230 00:12:04,880 --> 00:12:10,840 Speaker 3: Sure they were jerks too, Yeah, the sarenof brothers. They 231 00:12:12,640 --> 00:12:16,400 Speaker 3: blew up a couple of pressure cookers fashioned into bombs 232 00:12:16,600 --> 00:12:19,320 Speaker 3: at the finish line of the Boston Marathon, and the 233 00:12:19,400 --> 00:12:24,640 Speaker 3: FBI got on it pretty quick with getting photos released 234 00:12:24,679 --> 00:12:27,079 Speaker 3: of who they thought these guys were, which turned out 235 00:12:27,120 --> 00:12:30,640 Speaker 3: to be really key because after a kind of a 236 00:12:30,679 --> 00:12:32,520 Speaker 3: crazy scene where one of them was shot and killed 237 00:12:32,559 --> 00:12:35,400 Speaker 3: by the police, like throwing bombs at the cops. 238 00:12:35,760 --> 00:12:38,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, it was quite a scene. Run over by his brother. 239 00:12:38,679 --> 00:12:41,560 Speaker 3: And then the one I guess is that Zo Car. 240 00:12:42,559 --> 00:12:45,800 Speaker 2: The da silent right, Yeah, Joe Kar or Jokar Joe Car. 241 00:12:45,880 --> 00:12:48,000 Speaker 3: I think he is the one that ended up in 242 00:12:48,040 --> 00:12:52,280 Speaker 3: a residential neighborhood hiding in a boat under a tarp. 243 00:12:52,640 --> 00:12:53,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, and he was. 244 00:12:54,000 --> 00:12:58,120 Speaker 3: They sniffed him off the case with some infrared imaging 245 00:12:58,720 --> 00:13:01,400 Speaker 3: and basically it was like pred They're like, there's a 246 00:13:01,440 --> 00:13:04,520 Speaker 3: guy in that boat because I see his red body breathing. 247 00:13:04,720 --> 00:13:07,680 Speaker 2: Right. So the reason that they found out that the 248 00:13:07,760 --> 00:13:10,320 Speaker 2: dude was in the boat was because the person who 249 00:13:10,360 --> 00:13:16,440 Speaker 2: owned the boat was in this area under the security 250 00:13:16,480 --> 00:13:21,520 Speaker 2: lockdown in containment, and was well aware thanks to the 251 00:13:21,559 --> 00:13:23,840 Speaker 2: local news and social media and everything else, that they 252 00:13:23,880 --> 00:13:26,440 Speaker 2: were looking for this guy. So when he saw that 253 00:13:26,440 --> 00:13:29,000 Speaker 2: there was a dude in his boat, he called the cops. 254 00:13:29,320 --> 00:13:32,200 Speaker 2: That's how the cops found suspect number two in the 255 00:13:32,240 --> 00:13:33,640 Speaker 2: Boston bombing case. Right. 256 00:13:33,760 --> 00:13:35,320 Speaker 3: I bet that was a rush for that guy. 257 00:13:35,920 --> 00:13:38,839 Speaker 2: I read about like what he said. I think he 258 00:13:38,880 --> 00:13:39,720 Speaker 2: was kind of scared. 259 00:13:39,840 --> 00:13:43,240 Speaker 3: I'm sure, because it's pretty obvious, like you see a 260 00:13:43,280 --> 00:13:45,320 Speaker 3: guy there's a lockdown in your neighborhood, and you see 261 00:13:45,320 --> 00:13:47,520 Speaker 3: guy go climb under your boat tarp in their backyard. 262 00:13:47,960 --> 00:13:50,800 Speaker 2: That's him. Yeah, you know, bleeding guy. I think he 263 00:13:50,840 --> 00:13:53,800 Speaker 2: was bleeding at the time. Even more reason so with 264 00:13:54,760 --> 00:13:58,240 Speaker 2: the Boston's a great case because it's recent, everybody knows 265 00:13:58,280 --> 00:14:00,400 Speaker 2: about it, but because it has like so many different 266 00:14:00,440 --> 00:14:02,640 Speaker 2: points to it that really kind of give you an 267 00:14:02,640 --> 00:14:05,760 Speaker 2: idea of what a manhunt consists of. So you've got containment, 268 00:14:06,320 --> 00:14:10,640 Speaker 2: you've got a door to door search, you've got the 269 00:14:11,200 --> 00:14:14,240 Speaker 2: public transportation being shut down. Yeah, that was a big one. 270 00:14:14,280 --> 00:14:15,800 Speaker 2: That's part of containment as well. 271 00:14:15,880 --> 00:14:19,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, they set up a no fly zone, they closed 272 00:14:19,360 --> 00:14:23,080 Speaker 3: the schools, they closed, they shuttered businesses. It was basically 273 00:14:23,120 --> 00:14:26,560 Speaker 3: the biggest shutdown of a major US city in history. 274 00:14:26,720 --> 00:14:30,480 Speaker 2: Right, People who were in the containment area were asked 275 00:14:30,520 --> 00:14:34,560 Speaker 2: to not leave their house. That horrid news speak. Shelter 276 00:14:34,680 --> 00:14:35,200 Speaker 2: in place. 277 00:14:35,480 --> 00:14:39,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, term that just sounds like you should be 278 00:14:39,040 --> 00:14:39,720 Speaker 3: in a corner like. 279 00:14:40,680 --> 00:14:41,640 Speaker 2: Shelter in place. 280 00:14:41,720 --> 00:14:42,080 Speaker 3: Yeah. 281 00:14:42,160 --> 00:14:44,880 Speaker 2: I remember a tweet from doctor Ruth while that was 282 00:14:44,920 --> 00:14:47,440 Speaker 2: going on. She's saying, Hey, if you're having the shelter 283 00:14:47,520 --> 00:14:49,560 Speaker 2: in place, maybe now's a good time to turn off 284 00:14:49,600 --> 00:14:53,960 Speaker 2: the TV and get intimate with your loved one. I 285 00:14:54,000 --> 00:14:55,280 Speaker 2: couldn't believe it. Wow. 286 00:14:55,440 --> 00:14:58,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, they say they're still counting up the monies, but 287 00:14:59,680 --> 00:15:01,920 Speaker 3: it's tallying up to over a billion dollars for that 288 00:15:02,000 --> 00:15:02,440 Speaker 3: man hunt. 289 00:15:02,600 --> 00:15:06,120 Speaker 2: What isn't that crazy? Somebody's milking that. You gotta think 290 00:15:06,920 --> 00:15:09,760 Speaker 2: billion dollars. I got a little sidebar, let's hear it. 291 00:15:09,920 --> 00:15:13,520 Speaker 3: Not on a man hunt, but President Obama came through 292 00:15:13,600 --> 00:15:18,000 Speaker 3: my neighborhood a few months ago, like on his way 293 00:15:18,040 --> 00:15:21,840 Speaker 3: to school indicator for something cool, and literally drove like 294 00:15:22,160 --> 00:15:24,680 Speaker 3: down the block from my house the motorcade. Did did 295 00:15:24,720 --> 00:15:27,080 Speaker 3: you run out to him? Well, no, you can't that's 296 00:15:27,160 --> 00:15:31,000 Speaker 3: my point. Like my friend, you remember Chris Cox, his wife, 297 00:15:31,720 --> 00:15:34,160 Speaker 3: We ended up being stuck at the same intersection and 298 00:15:34,240 --> 00:15:37,960 Speaker 3: her house was across the street, like forty feet away. 299 00:15:38,120 --> 00:15:40,440 Speaker 3: She's like, sir, that is my house. I have a 300 00:15:40,440 --> 00:15:43,240 Speaker 3: babysitter there. I'm paying, Like, can I just walk across 301 00:15:43,280 --> 00:15:46,360 Speaker 3: the street. And he was like, nope, no, he would 302 00:15:46,360 --> 00:15:48,200 Speaker 3: not let her walk across the street and enter her 303 00:15:48,200 --> 00:15:48,600 Speaker 3: own home. 304 00:15:48,680 --> 00:15:50,920 Speaker 2: You have no rights. The president is on your street. 305 00:15:51,040 --> 00:15:52,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, and he wasn't even It took like another half 306 00:15:52,680 --> 00:15:54,520 Speaker 3: hour and she's like, I really just need to walk 307 00:15:54,600 --> 00:15:56,440 Speaker 3: right there, and he wouldn't allow it. 308 00:15:56,640 --> 00:15:57,000 Speaker 2: Huh. 309 00:15:57,040 --> 00:16:00,920 Speaker 3: So that's some serious lockdown. Is when the government wants 310 00:16:00,960 --> 00:16:02,160 Speaker 3: to lock you down, they can lock you down. 311 00:16:02,200 --> 00:16:09,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, pretty much. Yeah, so chuck, uh, you do have rights, however. 312 00:16:08,760 --> 00:16:09,760 Speaker 3: Well, yeah, it's a good segue. 313 00:16:09,840 --> 00:16:14,400 Speaker 2: I guess it was a great segue, buddy. Yeah, if 314 00:16:14,920 --> 00:16:17,880 Speaker 2: you're in if you're being told not to leave your house, 315 00:16:17,920 --> 00:16:20,720 Speaker 2: first of all, you can technically leave your house, can you. 316 00:16:21,160 --> 00:16:23,800 Speaker 2: I think you just your risk of being shot at 317 00:16:23,800 --> 00:16:27,360 Speaker 2: by the police go through the roof. Maybe, So that's 318 00:16:27,360 --> 00:16:30,200 Speaker 2: a pretty good reason not to leave your house, just 319 00:16:30,240 --> 00:16:32,680 Speaker 2: out of common sense. You can be enraged. All you 320 00:16:32,720 --> 00:16:37,800 Speaker 2: want indoors, well, just like any other night, and the 321 00:16:37,840 --> 00:16:40,520 Speaker 2: police can't just come busting down your door saying is 322 00:16:40,560 --> 00:16:42,880 Speaker 2: he in here? No, okay, let's go kick down the 323 00:16:42,920 --> 00:16:45,440 Speaker 2: next door. They can knock and say can we come 324 00:16:45,440 --> 00:16:47,400 Speaker 2: in and look, and you can say yeah, your nay. 325 00:16:49,120 --> 00:16:53,040 Speaker 2: If they have probable cause, say one of them saw 326 00:16:53,120 --> 00:16:55,640 Speaker 2: the suspect run into your house, they can go in 327 00:16:55,760 --> 00:16:57,000 Speaker 2: after him without asking you. 328 00:16:57,200 --> 00:16:59,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, Or if they're creeping around your backyard and peeking 329 00:16:59,640 --> 00:17:01,920 Speaker 3: in your wind, which they can do legally. Yeah, the 330 00:17:01,960 --> 00:17:06,000 Speaker 3: cops Yeah they can. They could, you know, see somebody 331 00:17:06,080 --> 00:17:09,000 Speaker 3: they think looks like the suspect and say that's probable cause. 332 00:17:09,119 --> 00:17:12,199 Speaker 2: There's a there's a loophole big enough to drive like 333 00:17:12,359 --> 00:17:16,200 Speaker 2: an armored truck through if you're not picking up on that. Yeah. 334 00:17:16,280 --> 00:17:19,399 Speaker 3: If they need to provide emergency services, they can do that. 335 00:17:19,680 --> 00:17:22,480 Speaker 2: Yeah. They can say, oh, we thought you you needed CPR. 336 00:17:22,800 --> 00:17:24,760 Speaker 2: We're glad to see you're okay. Now that we're in 337 00:17:24,800 --> 00:17:26,000 Speaker 2: your house, we're looking around. 338 00:17:26,280 --> 00:17:32,879 Speaker 3: Or another big loophole is the exigent circumstances, which I 339 00:17:32,920 --> 00:17:35,119 Speaker 3: don't know. In the case of Boston, they could probably 340 00:17:35,640 --> 00:17:39,080 Speaker 3: barge into anyone's home and be covered under that one. 341 00:17:39,200 --> 00:17:41,879 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's basically like there were there's a state of 342 00:17:41,920 --> 00:17:45,880 Speaker 2: emergency going on, Like the civil law is just out 343 00:17:45,880 --> 00:17:49,880 Speaker 2: the window because the situation is so dire. And yeah, 344 00:17:50,000 --> 00:17:53,280 Speaker 2: they argued that this guy was running around with explosives. 345 00:17:53,280 --> 00:17:55,679 Speaker 2: That's an emergency. Sure, as far as I know, they 346 00:17:55,680 --> 00:17:59,520 Speaker 2: didn't like go into any houses unbidden though. 347 00:17:59,760 --> 00:18:01,399 Speaker 3: Yeah, and we're not trying to say, like in a 348 00:18:01,480 --> 00:18:04,399 Speaker 3: case like that, like bust down some doors, you know, 349 00:18:05,040 --> 00:18:07,600 Speaker 3: Like I'm not saying like cops shouldn't be doing this stuff. Well, 350 00:18:07,600 --> 00:18:09,480 Speaker 3: there were like two bombers on the loose, so I 351 00:18:09,520 --> 00:18:09,880 Speaker 3: get it. 352 00:18:10,200 --> 00:18:12,200 Speaker 2: Even still, the cops don't want to bust down a 353 00:18:12,280 --> 00:18:16,440 Speaker 2: door because they're going to have to prove exigence circumstances, 354 00:18:16,480 --> 00:18:20,080 Speaker 2: and if they can't, then any evidence that they got 355 00:18:20,200 --> 00:18:23,960 Speaker 2: from an unlawful searches out the door, and so their 356 00:18:24,000 --> 00:18:25,000 Speaker 2: case could be as well. 357 00:18:25,320 --> 00:18:27,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, you gotta be careful stuff like that. Past thing 358 00:18:27,840 --> 00:18:31,359 Speaker 3: you want to do is have your purp walk you 359 00:18:31,480 --> 00:18:31,800 Speaker 3: like all. 360 00:18:31,720 --> 00:18:34,520 Speaker 2: This cops speak, Yeah walk. 361 00:18:34,680 --> 00:18:39,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, if you're purp walks because of bad, bad evidence, 362 00:18:39,760 --> 00:18:41,560 Speaker 3: then you're gonna be uh, what's. 363 00:18:41,560 --> 00:18:42,040 Speaker 2: What's it called? 364 00:18:42,040 --> 00:18:46,880 Speaker 3: When the cop gets eighty six eighty six suspended without pay. 365 00:18:48,880 --> 00:18:54,120 Speaker 3: I'm feeling like we're channeling the TV show episode we Yeah. 366 00:18:54,359 --> 00:18:57,840 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, you're like we had a TV show. Yeah, 367 00:18:58,119 --> 00:19:02,640 Speaker 2: I just owned out about that. Okay, where are we then? Well? 368 00:19:02,680 --> 00:19:04,720 Speaker 2: I was saying that one of the hallmarks of a 369 00:19:04,760 --> 00:19:07,920 Speaker 2: good man hunt is having a lot of people doing 370 00:19:07,960 --> 00:19:10,160 Speaker 2: a lot of work. And again, Boston was a good 371 00:19:10,160 --> 00:19:12,720 Speaker 2: example of that. You had a lot of different law 372 00:19:12,840 --> 00:19:16,600 Speaker 2: enforcement agencies, basically ones you hadn't even heard of, all 373 00:19:16,640 --> 00:19:18,240 Speaker 2: ponying up personnel. 374 00:19:18,760 --> 00:19:23,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean you're gonna get state cops, local cops, sheriffs, FBI, 375 00:19:24,560 --> 00:19:27,800 Speaker 3: and that that's for a case like that, or obviously 376 00:19:27,840 --> 00:19:31,879 Speaker 3: if it's something like UBL then everyone seems you're a 377 00:19:31,920 --> 00:19:34,480 Speaker 3: dark thirty or if you haven't, you should. You've got 378 00:19:34,520 --> 00:19:38,480 Speaker 3: like thousands of people over a decade, all over the 379 00:19:38,520 --> 00:19:39,399 Speaker 3: world working together. 380 00:19:39,520 --> 00:19:40,840 Speaker 2: It was just that one lady. 381 00:19:41,680 --> 00:19:44,240 Speaker 3: It was just the one lady, the pretty redhead. 382 00:19:44,680 --> 00:19:49,920 Speaker 2: So the author of this article makes a pretty good 383 00:19:49,920 --> 00:19:52,320 Speaker 2: point that during a man hunt there is such a 384 00:19:52,400 --> 00:19:56,240 Speaker 2: thing as what in police speak would be called collateral damage. 385 00:19:56,280 --> 00:20:02,320 Speaker 2: I guess sure. Like the LAPD search for Christopher Dorner 386 00:20:02,400 --> 00:20:05,000 Speaker 2: is a very good example of this. Do you remember 387 00:20:05,000 --> 00:20:05,440 Speaker 2: that case? 388 00:20:05,640 --> 00:20:07,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, man, that was freaky. 389 00:20:07,240 --> 00:20:11,040 Speaker 2: Yeah. There's like, there's a Facebook page it's twenty thousand 390 00:20:11,119 --> 00:20:13,879 Speaker 2: plus people strong that says it's called we Stand with 391 00:20:13,960 --> 00:20:17,080 Speaker 2: Christopher Dorner. Oh really yeah, because he left behind. So 392 00:20:17,280 --> 00:20:20,600 Speaker 2: he was an LAPD officer who was fired for making 393 00:20:20,760 --> 00:20:25,360 Speaker 2: a false accusation against another cop, right when he reported 394 00:20:25,359 --> 00:20:27,920 Speaker 2: that a cop he was working with kicked a homeless 395 00:20:27,920 --> 00:20:30,960 Speaker 2: man during an arrest. But that was false. It was 396 00:20:31,000 --> 00:20:34,040 Speaker 2: found false, and he was fired as a result. From 397 00:20:34,040 --> 00:20:36,520 Speaker 2: his perspective, if you see it through his through his eyes, 398 00:20:36,880 --> 00:20:38,479 Speaker 2: that was all just a huge cover up, and they 399 00:20:38,520 --> 00:20:40,959 Speaker 2: got rid of the troublemaker who was not, you know, 400 00:20:41,040 --> 00:20:42,480 Speaker 2: going with the flow on the force. 401 00:20:42,640 --> 00:20:45,800 Speaker 3: The LAPD covering up seas right, that's weird. 402 00:20:45,880 --> 00:20:49,400 Speaker 2: So he leaves this like angry manifesto about you know 403 00:20:49,640 --> 00:20:52,480 Speaker 2: how the LAPD is the most corrupt organization on the 404 00:20:52,520 --> 00:20:56,919 Speaker 2: planet and it's racist and yeah, there's a lot of 405 00:20:56,960 --> 00:20:59,240 Speaker 2: people out there who are like, I know this to 406 00:20:59,280 --> 00:21:01,959 Speaker 2: be true. Yeah, I've I've been on the wrong end 407 00:21:02,000 --> 00:21:03,600 Speaker 2: of a night stick with the LAPD. 408 00:21:03,760 --> 00:21:07,600 Speaker 3: I've seen LA confidential, Yeah exactly, and that's in the forties. Yeah, 409 00:21:07,640 --> 00:21:09,919 Speaker 3: I mean it's that's I know they've cleaned it up 410 00:21:09,920 --> 00:21:11,879 Speaker 3: a lot, but that is one department in this country 411 00:21:11,880 --> 00:21:13,320 Speaker 3: that's been fraught with allegation. 412 00:21:13,440 --> 00:21:15,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, and his point was they haven't cleaned it up 413 00:21:15,240 --> 00:21:17,280 Speaker 2: a lot, they've just gotten better at PR. So he 414 00:21:17,680 --> 00:21:20,840 Speaker 2: goes on, he takes the manifesto and ends up going 415 00:21:20,840 --> 00:21:25,960 Speaker 2: on in assassination killing spree, killing cops. Yeah, killed the 416 00:21:26,160 --> 00:21:29,119 Speaker 2: woman who represented him in his case, who is the 417 00:21:29,240 --> 00:21:30,119 Speaker 2: daughter of a cop. 418 00:21:31,080 --> 00:21:33,520 Speaker 3: And it was announced like that's what's so scary about 419 00:21:33,520 --> 00:21:35,720 Speaker 3: it was like he was like, Hey, I'm coming to 420 00:21:35,800 --> 00:21:38,960 Speaker 3: kill cops. Exactly, You're not going to see me coming either. 421 00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:41,320 Speaker 2: He was on a rampage. Yeah, it was scary stoff. 422 00:21:41,359 --> 00:21:44,600 Speaker 2: So the LAPD is super jumpy at this point and 423 00:21:44,680 --> 00:21:49,040 Speaker 2: they fire on not one but two cars that don't 424 00:21:49,040 --> 00:21:53,040 Speaker 2: have Christopher Dorner in them. Killed two people unbelievable as 425 00:21:53,040 --> 00:21:57,600 Speaker 2: a result. And finally there's this standoff after they find 426 00:21:57,640 --> 00:22:02,440 Speaker 2: him thanks to some Ark rangers in Big Bear or 427 00:22:02,520 --> 00:22:04,320 Speaker 2: Big Sir, one of the two they had Big Bear 428 00:22:04,400 --> 00:22:08,080 Speaker 2: Big Bear, and he ends up setting the cabin he's 429 00:22:08,119 --> 00:22:10,920 Speaker 2: in on fire and haishing in flames. That was crazy, 430 00:22:11,080 --> 00:22:15,399 Speaker 2: But the fact is two different cars were shot on 431 00:22:15,520 --> 00:22:20,800 Speaker 2: by the LAPD during the search for this guy. So 432 00:22:22,280 --> 00:22:26,240 Speaker 2: these aren't just necessarily clean affairs. Same with Ben Lawden. 433 00:22:26,600 --> 00:22:28,600 Speaker 2: You know, this was part of the campaign that took 434 00:22:28,600 --> 00:22:31,119 Speaker 2: place over a very long time and a lot of 435 00:22:31,119 --> 00:22:35,960 Speaker 2: people were killed to weaken the structure that was hiding him. 436 00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:38,680 Speaker 3: Still, yeah, drone strikes out the wazoo. 437 00:22:39,640 --> 00:22:40,120 Speaker 2: They used some. 438 00:22:40,040 --> 00:22:42,959 Speaker 3: Pretty interesting tactics too that were not in the movie, 439 00:22:44,560 --> 00:22:47,000 Speaker 3: even though I've heard the movie is pretty accurate, but 440 00:22:47,320 --> 00:22:50,720 Speaker 3: they didn't include everything obviously. They sent a doctor in 441 00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:55,240 Speaker 3: a CIA guy who conducted an immunization drive in the 442 00:22:55,240 --> 00:22:59,680 Speaker 3: neighborhood where they believed his compound was there and basically 443 00:22:59,720 --> 00:23:03,440 Speaker 3: hoping to come across DNA from him or his family 444 00:23:03,960 --> 00:23:05,480 Speaker 3: under the guise of a blood drive. 445 00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:08,160 Speaker 2: Right, it was an ammunization driver. 446 00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:10,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, they didn't call it like, hey, it's a DNA collection, 447 00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:11,639 Speaker 3: right drive. 448 00:23:12,040 --> 00:23:15,199 Speaker 2: But there was a big public outcry, especially from the 449 00:23:15,359 --> 00:23:18,399 Speaker 2: vaccine establishment, saying like, dude, you can't do that because 450 00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:20,520 Speaker 2: now our name is on that vaccine right and the 451 00:23:20,600 --> 00:23:23,080 Speaker 2: next time we want to have a real vaccine drive, 452 00:23:23,200 --> 00:23:25,880 Speaker 2: no one's going to show up, and our vaccination people 453 00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:27,600 Speaker 2: are going to get killed because they're going to think 454 00:23:27,640 --> 00:23:31,560 Speaker 2: they're CIA. Yeah, there's a big beef, a big hubbub 455 00:23:31,600 --> 00:23:32,639 Speaker 2: about that. That's legit. 456 00:23:34,480 --> 00:23:37,000 Speaker 3: These days, it's tough, especially if you're in a city 457 00:23:37,040 --> 00:23:41,879 Speaker 3: like London, England, to do anything without being caught on 458 00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:43,720 Speaker 3: a closed circuit camera. 459 00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:45,000 Speaker 2: Yeah. 460 00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:47,640 Speaker 3: In fact, that's how they eventually identified with the help 461 00:23:47,640 --> 00:23:52,239 Speaker 3: of actually one of the victims. In Boston, they were 462 00:23:52,280 --> 00:23:54,720 Speaker 3: on camera too, But if you're in a big city, 463 00:23:54,720 --> 00:23:55,680 Speaker 3: it's tough to get away with. 464 00:23:55,640 --> 00:23:57,720 Speaker 2: Anything these days. Cameras are everywhere. 465 00:23:58,560 --> 00:24:03,280 Speaker 3: They also have I mentioned the infrared device, the forward 466 00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:07,919 Speaker 3: looking infrared device, night vision. You've got all sorts of 467 00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:11,959 Speaker 3: tricks up your sleeve as law enforcement agencies. You think 468 00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:14,760 Speaker 3: you're hiding in a boat under a tarp, that's pretty safe. 469 00:24:15,119 --> 00:24:17,399 Speaker 3: You don't think about the dude with the predator camera 470 00:24:17,960 --> 00:24:19,960 Speaker 3: that can see you from you know, fifty feet away, 471 00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:20,720 Speaker 3: breathing heavily. 472 00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:21,160 Speaker 2: Right. 473 00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:26,160 Speaker 3: They also have like armored trucks. I think you mentioned those, yeah, 474 00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:27,240 Speaker 3: even not even about this. 475 00:24:27,359 --> 00:24:28,160 Speaker 2: Like from Diehard. 476 00:24:28,720 --> 00:24:30,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, and you see those things roll in like I'm 477 00:24:30,840 --> 00:24:32,560 Speaker 3: sure they love to play with those once a year. 478 00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:36,080 Speaker 3: Again that was LAPD Yeah, but those are very expensive, 479 00:24:37,359 --> 00:24:39,560 Speaker 3: but they do come in handy. I guess about once 480 00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:42,359 Speaker 3: a year if you can afford it, if your town's 481 00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:42,880 Speaker 3: large enough. 482 00:24:43,160 --> 00:24:47,560 Speaker 2: We should say that there was facial recognition software that 483 00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:51,200 Speaker 2: they had working on the video for the Boston bombing 484 00:24:51,240 --> 00:24:52,359 Speaker 2: and it did not work. 485 00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:54,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, we have an article on that. By the way, 486 00:24:54,240 --> 00:24:55,600 Speaker 3: I think we should cover that at some point. 487 00:24:55,640 --> 00:25:01,080 Speaker 2: Facial recognition. Yeah, yeah, that's scary stuff. Google has one 488 00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:04,080 Speaker 2: that like they won't they won't release to the publicly 489 00:25:04,119 --> 00:25:06,080 Speaker 2: because they're afraid of the use it'll be put to. 490 00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:11,040 Speaker 2: It's like that good wow, and that potentially bad. 491 00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:13,640 Speaker 3: But the one the CIA has doesn't work that well. 492 00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:17,280 Speaker 2: I could see Google having way better algorithms than the CIA. 493 00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:22,879 Speaker 2: That's true, so chuck. Another aspect of Boston search, the 494 00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:25,919 Speaker 2: Boston man hunt, yeah, was the use of social media 495 00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:29,760 Speaker 2: for good and ill or did good effect and bad? 496 00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:31,240 Speaker 2: I should say, Yeah. 497 00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:32,840 Speaker 3: Getting the word out on Facebook and Twitter is not 498 00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:33,439 Speaker 3: a bad idea. 499 00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:38,080 Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, the Reddit was kind of the star of 500 00:25:38,119 --> 00:25:42,240 Speaker 2: the show or the scapegoat, I should say, for social 501 00:25:42,280 --> 00:25:45,199 Speaker 2: media in the search for the Boston bombing suspects, because 502 00:25:45,560 --> 00:25:50,320 Speaker 2: there were apparently like a couple thousand stills, video stills 503 00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:53,320 Speaker 2: and photographs from the area around the time. Of the 504 00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:58,119 Speaker 2: bombing posted on a reddit subreddit. Yeah, and all of 505 00:25:58,160 --> 00:26:00,960 Speaker 2: these people were like combing through like they were trying 506 00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:02,560 Speaker 2: to crowdsource this man hunt. 507 00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:03,879 Speaker 3: Yeah, which is a good intention. 508 00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:07,159 Speaker 2: Yeah, they were looking for suspects before anybody ever released 509 00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:12,679 Speaker 2: any official photos, and that in and of itself is 510 00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:15,880 Speaker 2: kind of a good idea, sure, but it went a 511 00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:20,440 Speaker 2: step further where the people on Reddit were saying, Okay, 512 00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:22,000 Speaker 2: I've got to figure it out, and it's this person, 513 00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:24,520 Speaker 2: and they would name a suspect, and all of a sudden, 514 00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:28,479 Speaker 2: there's a rumor out there that this person bombed the 515 00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:32,880 Speaker 2: Boston marathon, even though they hadn't so read. It took 516 00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:35,240 Speaker 2: a lot of heat for that, and apparently they even 517 00:26:35,280 --> 00:26:40,320 Speaker 2: took that forum down. But social media also helped in 518 00:26:40,359 --> 00:26:45,320 Speaker 2: a lot of ways because everybody was totally connected to 519 00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:48,359 Speaker 2: this man hunt and had completely up to the date, 520 00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:52,440 Speaker 2: information to the minute, information from within that containment area, 521 00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:56,600 Speaker 2: from everywhere, and I guess kind of helped a little 522 00:26:56,600 --> 00:26:59,560 Speaker 2: more than just passively watching television during a man hunt. 523 00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:02,720 Speaker 3: You know the point one of my favorite man hunts, 524 00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:05,520 Speaker 3: and this is weird to say that, but actually, you 525 00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:07,280 Speaker 3: know what, let's take a break. I'm going to tease that, 526 00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:09,800 Speaker 3: and I'm going to reveal my favorite man hunt after 527 00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:21,440 Speaker 3: the break. 528 00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:33,440 Speaker 2: Okay, So who is it. It's the Unibomber. 529 00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:37,199 Speaker 3: Oh okay, Yeah, that's Kidzinski was on the LAMB for 530 00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:41,399 Speaker 3: eighteen years. One of the lengthiest manhunts in US history. 531 00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:44,760 Speaker 3: Not easy to hide out for that long and he 532 00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:48,480 Speaker 3: did it, which he did it in the wild of Montana. 533 00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:50,000 Speaker 2: Just pretty good idea. 534 00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:52,120 Speaker 3: I guess if you're going to hide out, just drop 535 00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:55,480 Speaker 3: off the map. Yeah, type manifestos. Actually Montana. They should 536 00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:58,040 Speaker 3: have been looking there, They should have been going there first. 537 00:27:58,520 --> 00:28:04,320 Speaker 3: But he mailed sixteen bombs over the course of quite 538 00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:07,480 Speaker 3: a few years and ended up killing three people, wounding 539 00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:11,040 Speaker 3: twenty three more, and had a million dollar bounty on 540 00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:15,280 Speaker 3: his head. Was one of the most wanted and eventually 541 00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:18,080 Speaker 3: he was rooted out by his own brother, who read 542 00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:22,680 Speaker 3: one of the manifestos and said that sounds like Teddy Yeah, 543 00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:24,880 Speaker 3: and went to the cops and said, hey, this guy 544 00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:28,520 Speaker 3: might be my brother. The writing style, the things he's 545 00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:30,840 Speaker 3: saying like it very well could be my brother. 546 00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:33,400 Speaker 2: And it turned out that was him, right, So, which 547 00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:37,240 Speaker 2: is another another point for the case that for a 548 00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:39,880 Speaker 2: man hunt to work, you have to get the public involved, 549 00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:42,360 Speaker 2: and they did so by publishing these manifestos and said, 550 00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:46,920 Speaker 2: anybody familiar with this? Yeah, and the guy's brother said, yeah, me, Yeah, 551 00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:51,280 Speaker 2: same with Eric Robert Rudolph. Yeah, that's his name. I 552 00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:52,560 Speaker 2: don't remember how they caught him. 553 00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:57,080 Speaker 3: I believe it was hikers in the woods, Okay, turned 554 00:28:57,120 --> 00:28:59,320 Speaker 3: him in. I might be wrong, but he was definitely 555 00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:01,480 Speaker 3: hiding out in the woods. And he was, of course 556 00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:05,280 Speaker 3: the Olympic bomber, not the guy they originally in pended on, 557 00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:06,320 Speaker 3: which was pretty. 558 00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:09,840 Speaker 2: Sad, right. What was his name, Richard Jewel? Yeah? 559 00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:11,920 Speaker 3: Man, I felt so bad for that dude. 560 00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:12,280 Speaker 2: Yeah. 561 00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:14,479 Speaker 3: Can you imagine, like life ruined? 562 00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:19,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, and they compensated him pretty handsomely afterward. But then 563 00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:22,160 Speaker 2: he only lived a couple of several million. Oh yeah, 564 00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:24,080 Speaker 2: he died of a heart attack a few years after that. 565 00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:26,320 Speaker 3: I don't think I knew that. Yeah, it's because he's like, 566 00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:29,400 Speaker 3: I'm eating steak in lobster every night. Now ask me 567 00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:30,920 Speaker 3: the drawn butter or Richard Jewel. 568 00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:34,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, I didn't know he died. Yeah, And then so 569 00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:39,800 Speaker 2: back to online real quick. There's there's evidence that you 570 00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:43,040 Speaker 2: can crowdsource a man hunt. Yeah, there's a whole group 571 00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:46,240 Speaker 2: of people that live online that are into true crime, 572 00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:50,160 Speaker 2: that are that like use their interest in their online 573 00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:53,280 Speaker 2: search skills to try to find the identities of like 574 00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:56,640 Speaker 2: long lost serial killers. And there's all sorts of online 575 00:29:56,640 --> 00:29:59,840 Speaker 2: man hunts that amateurs take on. And apparently the State 576 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:04,360 Speaker 2: Department held something called the Tag Challenge where they had 577 00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:10,920 Speaker 2: people hiding in cities around the world and people had 578 00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:15,080 Speaker 2: twelve hours online contestants had twelve hours to find them 579 00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:17,800 Speaker 2: in like these five different cities. That's fun, using just 580 00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:23,240 Speaker 2: mugshots and it worked. So they found that with a search, 581 00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:26,920 Speaker 2: as time becomes more of an essence, is the pressure 582 00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:31,920 Speaker 2: mount people stopped just shooting the info out to wherever 583 00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:35,160 Speaker 2: they can and start like really targeting, focusing their search. 584 00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:38,080 Speaker 2: And once you have a bunch of people doing that 585 00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:40,800 Speaker 2: who are really focused in searching, but a lot of 586 00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:44,680 Speaker 2: them and sharing information like on social media, that's when 587 00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:48,080 Speaker 2: they like a search and not just a manhunt or 588 00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:51,600 Speaker 2: search for a person, but a search for anything becomes 589 00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:53,440 Speaker 2: most successful. 590 00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:56,120 Speaker 3: I guess, well, yeah, imagine in Boston, I bet every 591 00:30:56,800 --> 00:31:00,280 Speaker 3: thousands of people in that twenty square block radius are 592 00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:01,240 Speaker 3: looking out of their window. 593 00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:04,720 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, for this dude. Yeah, so you've. 594 00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:08,120 Speaker 3: Got thousands and thousands of more eyeballs. That's two eyeballs 595 00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:11,239 Speaker 3: per person in most cases, unless you're one of those 596 00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:16,160 Speaker 3: weird pirates Boston pirates. And that's just that helps you know, yeap, 597 00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:19,000 Speaker 3: as long as they're not out, don't grab their guns 598 00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:23,120 Speaker 3: and you know, get in position. Well, yeah, that's a scary. 599 00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:25,959 Speaker 2: Well that's why they released the pictures of the suspects finally, 600 00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:29,760 Speaker 2: because they were trying to crack down on online vigil 601 00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:32,520 Speaker 2: anianism that could lead to real life vigilaniism. 602 00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:37,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, so hats off to the dude who saw the 603 00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:38,440 Speaker 3: dude in the boat. 604 00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:43,000 Speaker 2: You got anything else? I got nothing else? All right, Well, 605 00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:44,760 Speaker 2: if you want to learn more about manhunts, you can 606 00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:46,840 Speaker 2: tuck that word in the search bar at house Stuff Works. 607 00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:49,520 Speaker 2: And since I said search bar, that means it's time 608 00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:53,320 Speaker 2: for listener mail. Yeah. 609 00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:56,240 Speaker 3: I'm going to call this Chess about Chess, and I'm 610 00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:59,000 Speaker 3: gonna read a couple of them, not here, but one 611 00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:00,720 Speaker 3: now and one another of so because we got a 612 00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:04,400 Speaker 3: lot of great feedback from Chest enthusiasts, I noticed people 613 00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:05,440 Speaker 3: dig this game. 614 00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:07,480 Speaker 2: This is from David Wagner. 615 00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:11,600 Speaker 3: Hey, guys, while you were discussing the concept of castling, 616 00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:14,880 Speaker 3: y'all said you didn't quite understand the value or strategy 617 00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:15,360 Speaker 3: behind it. 618 00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:16,160 Speaker 2: You're right. 619 00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:18,640 Speaker 3: It is all about protecting the king. Remember how you 620 00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:20,360 Speaker 3: pointed out that you want to control the center of 621 00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:22,760 Speaker 3: the board. Yes, that when your pieces are off to 622 00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:25,440 Speaker 3: the side, they're not as strong. Yes, well, that has 623 00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:27,880 Speaker 3: a lot to do with why you want to castle. Basically, 624 00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:30,440 Speaker 3: the king is more vulnerable, open to attacks and has 625 00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:33,760 Speaker 3: less protection when he remains in his original ear d square, 626 00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:35,800 Speaker 3: So you want to castle him and get him away 627 00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:37,040 Speaker 3: from those center squares. 628 00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:37,520 Speaker 2: Gotcha. 629 00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:41,160 Speaker 3: Also, you talk about the en passant rule, which is 630 00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:43,920 Speaker 3: one of my favorites and something almost. 631 00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:44,480 Speaker 2: Never pass up. 632 00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:48,880 Speaker 3: He's not like TV Herman, mostly because I get because 633 00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:51,000 Speaker 3: I rarely get a chance to implement it. It doesn't 634 00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:55,120 Speaker 3: happen when a pond passes another pawn though on its 635 00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:57,959 Speaker 3: first move out. It is when it lands next to 636 00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:01,440 Speaker 3: another pawn that the latter pond capture it. So I 637 00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:02,480 Speaker 3: think we screwed that up a little. 638 00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:05,880 Speaker 2: Ye up, big time? Not big time. We were close. No, 639 00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:07,680 Speaker 2: I got that way wrong. 640 00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:11,560 Speaker 3: Okay, one last thing and then I'll quit chess pieces. 641 00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:14,680 Speaker 3: You're gonna love this, and their's symbols on top. Many 642 00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:19,200 Speaker 3: of the basic pieces themselves serve as visual reminders of 643 00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:21,840 Speaker 3: how they can move. For example, the night is l shaped, 644 00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:24,800 Speaker 3: which is how it moves. The bishop's miter has a 645 00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:28,720 Speaker 3: diagonal slit in it. They move diagonally. The rook, when 646 00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:32,840 Speaker 3: seen from above, can move in the basic cardinal directions forward, back, left, right, 647 00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:35,520 Speaker 3: and on top of the rook there are turrets pointing 648 00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:36,680 Speaker 3: in all the cardinal directions. 649 00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:37,040 Speaker 2: Nice. 650 00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:39,320 Speaker 3: A queen has many points on her crown showing that 651 00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:42,400 Speaker 3: she can go in any way, any direction, and that 652 00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:45,440 Speaker 3: small little cross on top of the king lets you 653 00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:48,160 Speaker 3: know how far he can go, although that doesn't include 654 00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:49,680 Speaker 3: his diagonomos, which he can. 655 00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:51,960 Speaker 2: Move in, so that on the whole theory kind of 656 00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:54,600 Speaker 2: falls apart there a little bit. 657 00:33:55,360 --> 00:33:59,000 Speaker 3: But that is from David Wagner in Columbia, South Carolina. 658 00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:03,720 Speaker 2: Nice, Thanks a lot, Wagner. 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