1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:02,920 Speaker 1: Brought to you by the reinvented two thousand twelve Camray. 2 00:00:03,160 --> 00:00:09,719 Speaker 1: It's ready. Are you welcome to Stuff Mom Never Told 3 00:00:09,720 --> 00:00:17,599 Speaker 1: You from housetop works dot Com. Hello, and welcome to 4 00:00:17,640 --> 00:00:20,799 Speaker 1: the podcast. I'm Kristen and I'm Caroline, and today we 5 00:00:20,840 --> 00:00:25,440 Speaker 1: are getting around finally to the topic of home schooling. 6 00:00:25,840 --> 00:00:29,159 Speaker 1: And I say finally because A people have requested this 7 00:00:29,280 --> 00:00:33,320 Speaker 1: topic for a long time, and B I have dropped 8 00:00:33,640 --> 00:00:37,320 Speaker 1: references throughout the history of Stuff Mom Never Told You 9 00:00:37,840 --> 00:00:41,760 Speaker 1: about my homeschooling past. For a little refresher course for 10 00:00:41,800 --> 00:00:46,160 Speaker 1: folks out there who don't know. I was homeschooled from 11 00:00:46,159 --> 00:00:51,840 Speaker 1: second through eighth grade, and I'm living to tell the tale. 12 00:00:52,479 --> 00:00:54,360 Speaker 1: Do tell the people need to know. I mean I 13 00:00:54,560 --> 00:00:56,360 Speaker 1: I I really enjoyed it when I was a kid. 14 00:00:56,440 --> 00:00:59,560 Speaker 1: It was super fun. Uh My mom home schooled me 15 00:00:59,600 --> 00:01:02,320 Speaker 1: as well two of my older siblings, and they were 16 00:01:02,320 --> 00:01:07,360 Speaker 1: actually homeschooled through high school. I was kind of gratefully 17 00:01:07,440 --> 00:01:13,279 Speaker 1: like sent to a traditional high school. Uh. Middle school 18 00:01:13,520 --> 00:01:16,720 Speaker 1: started to get a little it wasn't too into it, 19 00:01:17,120 --> 00:01:19,640 Speaker 1: but it was. It was great. I mean, my mom 20 00:01:19,680 --> 00:01:23,560 Speaker 1: was a training teacher. She would essentially give us assignments. 21 00:01:23,920 --> 00:01:26,880 Speaker 1: It was very self directed. We would have a couple 22 00:01:26,920 --> 00:01:30,360 Speaker 1: of meetups during the week to go over things. She 23 00:01:30,400 --> 00:01:34,520 Speaker 1: would administer tests, all of that. And I mean, I 24 00:01:34,560 --> 00:01:38,440 Speaker 1: did well in traditional school, graduated from college. I would 25 00:01:38,480 --> 00:01:41,280 Speaker 1: say that I am. I hope my mom is listening 26 00:01:41,319 --> 00:01:43,840 Speaker 1: to this. I think I could say a homeschooling success. 27 00:01:44,880 --> 00:01:47,760 Speaker 1: You know I didn't. I turned out weird, but not 28 00:01:48,280 --> 00:01:51,080 Speaker 1: too weird that I can't talk to people because there 29 00:01:51,120 --> 00:01:55,360 Speaker 1: are all of these stereotypes about homeschoolers and how they 30 00:01:55,400 --> 00:02:00,080 Speaker 1: have horrible social skills. And I'm not gonna lie. You 31 00:02:00,160 --> 00:02:04,360 Speaker 1: were in homeschooling groups and there were certain kids who 32 00:02:04,480 --> 00:02:09,239 Speaker 1: were more adept at talking to the parents than interacting 33 00:02:09,280 --> 00:02:15,040 Speaker 1: with their peers. But you know, I think that's that's 34 00:02:15,040 --> 00:02:17,720 Speaker 1: going to happen in any school. You're gonna have some 35 00:02:18,400 --> 00:02:21,720 Speaker 1: uh some socialization gaps there. Well, do you think it 36 00:02:21,760 --> 00:02:24,320 Speaker 1: helped you in college? Study in college, for all those 37 00:02:24,360 --> 00:02:26,919 Speaker 1: classes where you have to be kind of self directed? Yeah, 38 00:02:26,960 --> 00:02:29,160 Speaker 1: I would stay in my The biggest thing that I 39 00:02:29,240 --> 00:02:34,079 Speaker 1: noticed with the transition to traditional school was that I 40 00:02:34,120 --> 00:02:37,320 Speaker 1: was great at homework. I loved reading assignments like I 41 00:02:37,320 --> 00:02:40,639 Speaker 1: could knock that stuff out. Studying for tests, yes, The 42 00:02:40,720 --> 00:02:43,360 Speaker 1: one thing I had to learn how to do was 43 00:02:43,919 --> 00:02:47,440 Speaker 1: sit through lectures and take notes. And I had no 44 00:02:47,520 --> 00:02:49,760 Speaker 1: idea how to take notes. Like my first notes, really 45 00:02:49,800 --> 00:02:54,720 Speaker 1: we just every everything the word here there. I also 46 00:02:54,760 --> 00:02:58,320 Speaker 1: remember someone teaching me how to highlight in books. I 47 00:02:58,400 --> 00:03:00,280 Speaker 1: was like, what do I highlight? I would highlight higher 48 00:03:00,320 --> 00:03:02,639 Speaker 1: paragraph because it was like the cool thing to do, 49 00:03:02,840 --> 00:03:04,680 Speaker 1: you know, And I was really pumped to have these 50 00:03:04,800 --> 00:03:08,280 Speaker 1: highlighters that I could use in the school books. So 51 00:03:08,440 --> 00:03:12,800 Speaker 1: enough about me, uh, or do you want more about me? Well? 52 00:03:12,840 --> 00:03:15,600 Speaker 1: I mean, I feel like you can definitely add a 53 00:03:15,600 --> 00:03:17,760 Speaker 1: lot to these various topics that we're going to cover, 54 00:03:18,360 --> 00:03:20,880 Speaker 1: because we're going to talk about kind of the history 55 00:03:20,919 --> 00:03:23,359 Speaker 1: of it, how it came about, how it was viewed 56 00:03:23,880 --> 00:03:28,040 Speaker 1: very negatively as this fringe activity and then has now 57 00:03:28,639 --> 00:03:31,440 Speaker 1: just totally taken over and blossomed, and so many people 58 00:03:31,480 --> 00:03:35,400 Speaker 1: are homeschooling their kids, but also the social effects, you know, 59 00:03:35,440 --> 00:03:38,440 Speaker 1: academic achievement, all that stuff. So I think the people 60 00:03:38,440 --> 00:03:41,960 Speaker 1: would like to know, you know, how your parents got 61 00:03:41,960 --> 00:03:44,920 Speaker 1: involved in that. I'll give him the inside scoop. Do Well, 62 00:03:45,000 --> 00:03:48,080 Speaker 1: let's first take a step back in history to just 63 00:03:48,240 --> 00:03:53,440 Speaker 1: understand when schooling in the United States became compulsory right, 64 00:03:53,520 --> 00:03:58,000 Speaker 1: and the concept of schooling education, the whole compulsory thing, 65 00:03:58,000 --> 00:03:59,800 Speaker 1: you're going to send your kids to school and educate them, 66 00:03:59,840 --> 00:04:03,880 Speaker 1: is very deeply ingrained in American society. And it starts, 67 00:04:03,880 --> 00:04:07,320 Speaker 1: not surprisingly if you think about it, with the Puritans 68 00:04:07,360 --> 00:04:11,480 Speaker 1: of up in Massachusetts. In sixteen forty two, the first 69 00:04:11,520 --> 00:04:15,120 Speaker 1: general compulsory education law in the country, well in the 70 00:04:15,560 --> 00:04:22,000 Speaker 1: colonial group of regions, was enacted in the Massachusetts Bay Colony, 71 00:04:22,120 --> 00:04:25,120 Speaker 1: and it required that children be taught to read and write. 72 00:04:25,200 --> 00:04:29,000 Speaker 1: And the thinking went that basically, education is your moral 73 00:04:29,040 --> 00:04:31,640 Speaker 1: and social obligation, because they wanted their kids to be 74 00:04:31,720 --> 00:04:34,279 Speaker 1: literate enough to both read the Bible and read and 75 00:04:34,360 --> 00:04:37,919 Speaker 1: understand the laws of the land. Yeah, And in sixteen 76 00:04:38,279 --> 00:04:41,400 Speaker 1: forty seven the Colonies General Court passed the first law 77 00:04:41,440 --> 00:04:46,480 Speaker 1: requiring that towns provide schools. And then again Massachusetts, loving 78 00:04:46,560 --> 00:04:50,760 Speaker 1: this compulsory education, in eighteen fifty two they passed the 79 00:04:50,839 --> 00:04:54,560 Speaker 1: first compulsory education law. And it's not only a requirement 80 00:04:54,560 --> 00:04:58,680 Speaker 1: for education, but also a requirement that children attend public schools. 81 00:04:58,880 --> 00:05:01,719 Speaker 1: And before we say hey, way to go Massachusetts, I 82 00:05:01,760 --> 00:05:06,320 Speaker 1: will say that the motivations behind passing the law or 83 00:05:06,360 --> 00:05:10,320 Speaker 1: a little sketchy because it was targeted at immigrant families. 84 00:05:10,320 --> 00:05:13,839 Speaker 1: So they wanted to ensure that their kids learned the 85 00:05:13,839 --> 00:05:17,360 Speaker 1: American way so they could become good workers. Yeah, and 86 00:05:17,400 --> 00:05:18,920 Speaker 1: I mean we've talked about this in a couple other 87 00:05:18,920 --> 00:05:21,440 Speaker 1: other episodes, particularly the p t A when comes to 88 00:05:21,480 --> 00:05:24,159 Speaker 1: mind about we we just want to fix these kids. 89 00:05:24,200 --> 00:05:26,120 Speaker 1: We want them to fall in line with what we 90 00:05:26,160 --> 00:05:28,960 Speaker 1: think is the proper American way to be. Um So, 91 00:05:29,000 --> 00:05:32,600 Speaker 1: by nineteen eighteen, all states had passed school attendance legislation, 92 00:05:32,640 --> 00:05:35,960 Speaker 1: but it wasn't really until the nineteen thirties, uh, that 93 00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:39,520 Speaker 1: many were successful in enforcing those laws. So during the 94 00:05:39,600 --> 00:05:43,880 Speaker 1: nineteen twenties through the nineteen seventies, homeschooling it's still happening, 95 00:05:43,960 --> 00:05:47,040 Speaker 1: you know, here and there, but it's pretty underground, usually 96 00:05:47,560 --> 00:05:51,600 Speaker 1: in rural areas. But in the nineteen sixties and seventies 97 00:05:52,000 --> 00:05:56,960 Speaker 1: we have both the Christian right and the counterculture left saying, hey, 98 00:05:58,080 --> 00:06:00,560 Speaker 1: how about this home school and thing. Yeah, they had 99 00:06:01,400 --> 00:06:03,719 Speaker 1: very different reasons for wanting to home school their kids, 100 00:06:03,760 --> 00:06:06,640 Speaker 1: but at the root it was it was very similar. Basically, 101 00:06:06,680 --> 00:06:09,880 Speaker 1: things weren't being taught the way that they wanted them to. 102 00:06:09,960 --> 00:06:12,440 Speaker 1: Be taught or their children were being educated the way 103 00:06:12,480 --> 00:06:15,719 Speaker 1: that they wanted their children to learn. Yeah. In nineteen 104 00:06:15,839 --> 00:06:18,640 Speaker 1: sixty nine, for instance, and this is on the more 105 00:06:18,720 --> 00:06:22,600 Speaker 1: Christian right end of the spectrum, we have Raymond Moore, 106 00:06:22,839 --> 00:06:26,000 Speaker 1: who was a missionary and a former U. S Department 107 00:06:26,000 --> 00:06:31,440 Speaker 1: of Education employee who started looking into educational research and 108 00:06:31,440 --> 00:06:36,599 Speaker 1: figuring out how public schools were teaching or in this case, 109 00:06:36,640 --> 00:06:40,880 Speaker 1: in his mind, failing to teach kids in the US. 110 00:06:41,360 --> 00:06:44,080 Speaker 1: And um. He and his wife saw all this advice 111 00:06:44,120 --> 00:06:48,480 Speaker 1: from family development specialists and research, and the thesis they 112 00:06:48,480 --> 00:06:53,479 Speaker 1: came up with was that public schooling is horrible for 113 00:06:53,560 --> 00:06:56,840 Speaker 1: your kids. Yeah, the things that they say public schooling 114 00:06:56,880 --> 00:06:58,800 Speaker 1: will do to you, or just sitting in a classroom 115 00:06:58,800 --> 00:07:01,880 Speaker 1: all day, private or public like, They said that it 116 00:07:02,000 --> 00:07:07,679 Speaker 1: caused developmental problems, problems like hyperactivity, near sightedness, and dyslexia. 117 00:07:07,800 --> 00:07:10,960 Speaker 1: And these things were often the result of prematurely taxing 118 00:07:10,960 --> 00:07:14,960 Speaker 1: a child's nervous system and mine with continuous academic tasks. 119 00:07:15,000 --> 00:07:17,679 Speaker 1: So it's amazing that I'm even sitting here. I should 120 00:07:17,680 --> 00:07:21,440 Speaker 1: be totally stunted, like in the fetal position somewhere. Um. Yeah. 121 00:07:21,520 --> 00:07:28,920 Speaker 1: Dr more referred to public schools as godless monstrosities. That's 122 00:07:28,920 --> 00:07:32,679 Speaker 1: that's serious, pretty strong. He thought that formal schooling should 123 00:07:32,680 --> 00:07:35,680 Speaker 1: be delayed until at least eight or ten, so just 124 00:07:35,680 --> 00:07:38,720 Speaker 1: just let him play in the sandbox until then. Well, 125 00:07:38,760 --> 00:07:43,360 Speaker 1: and he advocates instead a Christianity based homeschooling. So keep 126 00:07:43,400 --> 00:07:46,200 Speaker 1: in mind, we've got the Christian right starting to say, hey, 127 00:07:46,320 --> 00:07:50,080 Speaker 1: you know what, maybe public schools are godless monstrosities. Um, 128 00:07:50,120 --> 00:07:52,080 Speaker 1: this could be a better way to go. So now 129 00:07:52,160 --> 00:07:55,560 Speaker 1: moving over to the other end of the spectrum, to 130 00:07:55,680 --> 00:08:00,560 Speaker 1: the more counterculture left side, we have John Hole who 131 00:08:00,640 --> 00:08:04,000 Speaker 1: was an author and educator who rose to prominence in 132 00:08:04,040 --> 00:08:08,320 Speaker 1: the nineteen seventies because he was advocating for decentralizing schooling 133 00:08:08,320 --> 00:08:13,040 Speaker 1: and allowing parents and teachers greater autonomy. And it's developed 134 00:08:13,080 --> 00:08:18,400 Speaker 1: into his theory of unschooling. Yeah, that basically means that 135 00:08:18,520 --> 00:08:21,720 Speaker 1: learning learning that doesn't look like school learning. It doesn't 136 00:08:21,720 --> 00:08:24,120 Speaker 1: necessarily need to take place at home, but it's not 137 00:08:24,240 --> 00:08:26,600 Speaker 1: your traditional sit at a desk all day kind of thing. 138 00:08:26,880 --> 00:08:30,200 Speaker 1: He thought that that constituted basically a lack of humanity 139 00:08:30,280 --> 00:08:33,960 Speaker 1: towards school children, and thought that teachers really stymied kids 140 00:08:34,040 --> 00:08:39,480 Speaker 1: natural curiosity, forcing them to learn which one might argue 141 00:08:39,480 --> 00:08:41,000 Speaker 1: could be a good thing to force someone to learn, 142 00:08:41,000 --> 00:08:43,760 Speaker 1: but he said that it completely would change kids personalities. 143 00:08:44,200 --> 00:08:47,360 Speaker 1: So in the seventies and eighties we have all these 144 00:08:47,720 --> 00:08:50,400 Speaker 1: theories of homeschooling that start to brew, but it isn't 145 00:08:50,440 --> 00:08:56,200 Speaker 1: really until the nineties that more significant numbers of parents 146 00:08:56,200 --> 00:08:59,840 Speaker 1: start taking their kids out of public schools and teaching 147 00:09:00,280 --> 00:09:04,320 Speaker 1: at home. And it's largely due to uh sort of 148 00:09:04,440 --> 00:09:07,880 Speaker 1: fear of the conditions of the public school system and 149 00:09:07,960 --> 00:09:12,680 Speaker 1: also religious motivations. Yeah, there are some people who definitely 150 00:09:12,960 --> 00:09:16,600 Speaker 1: are not big fans of the education system in general. 151 00:09:17,200 --> 00:09:19,319 Speaker 1: Mary Novello, for instance, who at the time in n 152 00:09:20,080 --> 00:09:23,120 Speaker 1: was an adjunct fellow at the Washington Institute, considered the 153 00:09:23,160 --> 00:09:27,280 Speaker 1: link between actual education and schooling to be weak. And 154 00:09:27,400 --> 00:09:30,840 Speaker 1: she is one of many people who argued that this 155 00:09:30,880 --> 00:09:34,240 Speaker 1: whole school bureaucracy thing, it was more about the bureaucracy 156 00:09:34,320 --> 00:09:38,000 Speaker 1: and maintaining the system than it was about really educating kids. 157 00:09:38,120 --> 00:09:41,359 Speaker 1: And then we have, you know, the whole libertarian attitude 158 00:09:41,440 --> 00:09:44,760 Speaker 1: of like, get the government out of my family. And 159 00:09:44,800 --> 00:09:47,920 Speaker 1: so David Boaz, who was the executive vice president of 160 00:09:47,920 --> 00:09:52,240 Speaker 1: the libertarian Cato Institute, cited declining school quality, lack of 161 00:09:52,280 --> 00:09:56,920 Speaker 1: moral instruction, and forced volunteering as downsides of public forced education. 162 00:09:57,240 --> 00:09:59,440 Speaker 1: And there was also at the time mounting fear about 163 00:09:59,640 --> 00:10:02,439 Speaker 1: violent in public school, whether you were exposing your kids 164 00:10:02,520 --> 00:10:07,800 Speaker 1: unnecessarily to potentially harmful situations. And I know we've talked 165 00:10:07,800 --> 00:10:10,640 Speaker 1: a lot, like mentioned the Christian right and sort of 166 00:10:10,640 --> 00:10:12,280 Speaker 1: the sphere of public school a lot, and we're not 167 00:10:12,360 --> 00:10:16,520 Speaker 1: harping on it. I will say in my experience with homeschooling, 168 00:10:16,520 --> 00:10:20,000 Speaker 1: those two factors did play a large role in my 169 00:10:20,160 --> 00:10:23,240 Speaker 1: siblings and I being pulled out of public school and 170 00:10:23,280 --> 00:10:27,439 Speaker 1: being taught at home. Um, so you know, and I 171 00:10:27,520 --> 00:10:29,720 Speaker 1: will stay in that regard. You know, my parents did 172 00:10:29,760 --> 00:10:33,920 Speaker 1: have my our best interest in mind. Yeah, same with 173 00:10:33,960 --> 00:10:38,120 Speaker 1: my cousin's similar situation. Religious beliefs conflicted with the way 174 00:10:38,120 --> 00:10:40,200 Speaker 1: their kids are being taught at school. Yeah, And it 175 00:10:40,280 --> 00:10:45,479 Speaker 1: was this was also happening in the nineties early mid nineties, 176 00:10:45,640 --> 00:10:49,040 Speaker 1: and we were a minority in the town where I 177 00:10:49,080 --> 00:10:52,040 Speaker 1: grew up like that, didn't know many other homeschool kids. 178 00:10:52,040 --> 00:10:53,720 Speaker 1: I always kind of wanted to avoid the question where 179 00:10:53,720 --> 00:10:56,480 Speaker 1: do you go to school, because I'd have to say, uh, 180 00:10:56,720 --> 00:10:59,640 Speaker 1: and well, we have we have a room in the house. 181 00:10:59,679 --> 00:11:02,439 Speaker 1: I still live in the same house. We had a 182 00:11:02,520 --> 00:11:05,520 Speaker 1: room designated as the school room, which we still refer 183 00:11:05,640 --> 00:11:07,760 Speaker 1: to as the school room, but it was also the 184 00:11:07,760 --> 00:11:09,840 Speaker 1: place where you would go if you ever got in trouble. 185 00:11:10,280 --> 00:11:14,320 Speaker 1: So mom, if Mom ever said Kristen, can you meet 186 00:11:14,320 --> 00:11:17,520 Speaker 1: me in the school room, just like no, that's bad 187 00:11:17,520 --> 00:11:24,240 Speaker 1: associations school and getting in trouble. So moving forward. Uh, 188 00:11:24,600 --> 00:11:28,440 Speaker 1: In nineteen nine, they're about eight hundred and fifty thousand 189 00:11:28,960 --> 00:11:32,520 Speaker 1: families in the US who were homeschooling their kids, and 190 00:11:32,760 --> 00:11:35,720 Speaker 1: in two thousand three that number goes up to one 191 00:11:35,760 --> 00:11:40,120 Speaker 1: point one million. And now according to the National Center 192 00:11:40,160 --> 00:11:44,520 Speaker 1: for Education Statistics, they're probably about one point five million 193 00:11:45,600 --> 00:11:50,560 Speaker 1: kids being homeschooled. Yeah, humongous jump. Ginormous amount of people 194 00:11:51,280 --> 00:11:53,560 Speaker 1: relative to how it used to be, especially in the seventies, 195 00:11:53,600 --> 00:11:57,920 Speaker 1: putting their kids in homeschooling. Uh. This is we got 196 00:11:57,960 --> 00:12:01,440 Speaker 1: a lot of information from education we Institute of Education 197 00:12:01,520 --> 00:12:04,920 Speaker 1: Sciences and a study by Brian Ray in the National 198 00:12:04,960 --> 00:12:09,280 Speaker 1: Home Education Research Institute, from lots of statistics to cover 199 00:12:09,720 --> 00:12:12,320 Speaker 1: and he said. Ray said that between two thousand seven 200 00:12:12,360 --> 00:12:15,400 Speaker 1: and twenty, for instance, the number of students increased by 201 00:12:15,400 --> 00:12:20,040 Speaker 1: an estimated seven percent, and I will say that, yeah, 202 00:12:20,240 --> 00:12:23,480 Speaker 1: we have one point five millions. Some people estimate that 203 00:12:23,520 --> 00:12:27,000 Speaker 1: it's closer to five million kids. They're not entirely sure. Uh. 204 00:12:27,000 --> 00:12:31,640 Speaker 1: And that represents about three percent of the school age population. 205 00:12:31,720 --> 00:12:34,160 Speaker 1: And you might be thinking three percent, that's nothing. Well, 206 00:12:34,200 --> 00:12:37,440 Speaker 1: it's huge compared to what it used to be. And 207 00:12:37,440 --> 00:12:41,400 Speaker 1: the numbers only keep rising more every year. Yeah. In 208 00:12:41,480 --> 00:12:43,400 Speaker 1: two thousand seven, just to throw some more stats that 209 00:12:43,480 --> 00:12:46,880 Speaker 1: you confuse you. Uh, In two thousand seven, eight percent 210 00:12:46,920 --> 00:12:50,120 Speaker 1: of home schooled students received all of their education at home. 211 00:12:50,320 --> 00:12:52,920 Speaker 1: Did you did you? Were you all at home? Or 212 00:12:52,920 --> 00:12:56,360 Speaker 1: were you venturing out? Or we were never allowed to 213 00:12:56,440 --> 00:13:01,000 Speaker 1: leave the house. But Shane, the chainer in your foot 214 00:13:01,040 --> 00:13:03,120 Speaker 1: only stretched so far. We had one of those like 215 00:13:03,240 --> 00:13:06,640 Speaker 1: the invisible fences to get your dogs. Uh, No, we did. 216 00:13:06,679 --> 00:13:09,240 Speaker 1: We did leave the house, but we were taught exclusively 217 00:13:09,760 --> 00:13:12,280 Speaker 1: at home. Yeah, but I did have friends who had 218 00:13:12,520 --> 00:13:15,240 Speaker 1: private tutors come in, or they would go take a 219 00:13:15,280 --> 00:13:18,320 Speaker 1: specialty class like a fine arts class at a private 220 00:13:18,360 --> 00:13:21,920 Speaker 1: school from time to time. Well, eleven percent, Uh, we're 221 00:13:22,080 --> 00:13:24,360 Speaker 1: enrolled in school less than nine hours per week, and 222 00:13:24,520 --> 00:13:27,160 Speaker 1: five percent were enrolled nine to five hours per week, 223 00:13:27,200 --> 00:13:29,600 Speaker 1: So there's there's definitely a mix. Obviously, it's not cut 224 00:13:29,600 --> 00:13:32,600 Speaker 1: and dry with home schoolers. People choose to do it differently. 225 00:13:32,679 --> 00:13:34,880 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, there are many different ways that you can 226 00:13:35,040 --> 00:13:39,079 Speaker 1: home school a child. But first, why do people choose 227 00:13:39,200 --> 00:13:43,800 Speaker 1: to do it today? According to the US Department of Education, 228 00:13:44,000 --> 00:13:49,240 Speaker 1: there are obviously plenty of different motivations, but mostly are white, 229 00:13:49,240 --> 00:13:56,040 Speaker 1: religious conservative families who want to provide religious or moral instruction. 230 00:13:56,520 --> 00:14:00,560 Speaker 1: And again, not to harp on my own upbringing, a 231 00:14:00,600 --> 00:14:05,160 Speaker 1: lot of our curriculum was Christian based, and Judeo Christian 232 00:14:05,200 --> 00:14:11,040 Speaker 1: ethics were woven throughout history, science, literature, all that stuff. Yeah, 233 00:14:11,360 --> 00:14:13,959 Speaker 1: and that was according to the Department of Ed the 234 00:14:14,120 --> 00:14:17,040 Speaker 1: two thousand survey, that was thirty six percent, the moral 235 00:14:17,400 --> 00:14:23,640 Speaker 1: and religious instruction coming in at second of parents said 236 00:14:23,640 --> 00:14:26,360 Speaker 1: they were most concerned about their child's learning environment, so 237 00:14:26,440 --> 00:14:28,400 Speaker 1: maybe not happy with the school or the way things 238 00:14:28,400 --> 00:14:33,440 Speaker 1: are being taught, sevent sided dissatisfaction with the institutions their 239 00:14:33,520 --> 00:14:36,480 Speaker 1: kids were in only seven percent side of the desire 240 00:14:36,520 --> 00:14:40,240 Speaker 1: to provide a non traditional approach to education, hippies more 241 00:14:40,280 --> 00:14:44,000 Speaker 1: of the the John Holt side of the with the unschooling. Yeah, um, 242 00:14:44,000 --> 00:14:48,880 Speaker 1: and for a little demographic breakdown we mentioned white religious conservatives. Uh, 243 00:14:48,920 --> 00:14:52,680 Speaker 1: seventy seven percent of homeschool students are white, eighty nine 244 00:14:52,680 --> 00:14:56,880 Speaker 1: percent are living in two parent households, and a greater 245 00:14:56,880 --> 00:15:01,160 Speaker 1: percentage also lives in more rural areas. And most of 246 00:15:01,200 --> 00:15:03,840 Speaker 1: these families do have two or more children. Their parents 247 00:15:03,840 --> 00:15:08,000 Speaker 1: tend to be well educated, middle class. So, but that's 248 00:15:08,040 --> 00:15:11,320 Speaker 1: not the only group of people. It's definitely UM A 249 00:15:11,400 --> 00:15:14,320 Speaker 1: lot of the articles we read cited, you know, studies 250 00:15:14,320 --> 00:15:17,600 Speaker 1: showing that it is expanding. More people are getting interested 251 00:15:17,640 --> 00:15:19,880 Speaker 1: in taking their children out of traditional school settings for 252 00:15:19,920 --> 00:15:23,240 Speaker 1: whatever reason. Um USA Today in February of this year 253 00:15:23,280 --> 00:15:26,040 Speaker 1: had an article about the growing African American involvement in 254 00:15:26,080 --> 00:15:29,280 Speaker 1: home schooling and Joyce Burgess, who's the co founder of 255 00:15:29,760 --> 00:15:32,880 Speaker 1: National Black Home Educators, said that their network has grown 256 00:15:33,160 --> 00:15:35,960 Speaker 1: from about five hundred home schoolers a decade ago to 257 00:15:36,040 --> 00:15:39,160 Speaker 1: about twenty five hundred. And she said that her parents 258 00:15:39,600 --> 00:15:42,800 Speaker 1: in the network, their reasons are typically more practical than 259 00:15:43,120 --> 00:15:46,000 Speaker 1: than focusing on the religious aspect. Yeah, and that's something 260 00:15:46,040 --> 00:15:48,920 Speaker 1: that you are seeing more and more. The pool is 261 00:15:49,240 --> 00:15:55,400 Speaker 1: diversifying away from the white religious conservative So what about 262 00:15:55,840 --> 00:16:00,040 Speaker 1: student achievement? I mean, I did okay, you know me 263 00:16:00,160 --> 00:16:02,320 Speaker 1: to be successful at being a human. I got some 264 00:16:02,360 --> 00:16:07,080 Speaker 1: good walks in school. Uh and thank you human too, 265 00:16:07,520 --> 00:16:11,640 Speaker 1: all right. But you know, a question that has often 266 00:16:11,680 --> 00:16:14,680 Speaker 1: been asked about homeschooling is whether or not kids will 267 00:16:14,720 --> 00:16:17,600 Speaker 1: get as good of an education as they would in 268 00:16:17,840 --> 00:16:21,800 Speaker 1: a traditional public or private school. And it's kind of 269 00:16:21,880 --> 00:16:24,680 Speaker 1: up in the air. I mean, I think the stereotype 270 00:16:24,680 --> 00:16:26,720 Speaker 1: that I have in my head is that home school 271 00:16:26,800 --> 00:16:30,160 Speaker 1: children are super smart. I think that's an okay you 272 00:16:30,240 --> 00:16:32,520 Speaker 1: like to have. I mean, I feel like if you 273 00:16:32,760 --> 00:16:36,400 Speaker 1: get such individualized attention from your parents or your tutors 274 00:16:36,480 --> 00:16:38,920 Speaker 1: or whoever is teaching you outside of a school setting, 275 00:16:39,000 --> 00:16:40,920 Speaker 1: I feel like you're you're almost more set up to 276 00:16:40,960 --> 00:16:44,720 Speaker 1: succeed because there's more focus on teaching you whatever your 277 00:16:44,880 --> 00:16:50,000 Speaker 1: learning style is. But Christopher Lubynsky, professor of education policy 278 00:16:50,040 --> 00:16:53,240 Speaker 1: at the University of Illinois, told USA Today there's really 279 00:16:53,280 --> 00:16:56,000 Speaker 1: not good evidence that it's a better model for children, 280 00:16:56,360 --> 00:16:59,920 Speaker 1: and he basically says that high achievers might excel anywhere, 281 00:17:00,200 --> 00:17:02,440 Speaker 1: whether you're learning at home or whether you're learning in 282 00:17:02,480 --> 00:17:05,360 Speaker 1: a public school. And he says that some parents. One 283 00:17:05,400 --> 00:17:07,840 Speaker 1: of his concerns is that some parents just aren't qualified 284 00:17:08,119 --> 00:17:11,199 Speaker 1: to provide the education for their children. But here's the 285 00:17:11,240 --> 00:17:14,320 Speaker 1: thing about about the homeschool studies. I mean, he says 286 00:17:14,400 --> 00:17:17,800 Speaker 1: that there's not good evidence, And the reason for that 287 00:17:17,920 --> 00:17:22,040 Speaker 1: argument is that there have been studies published saying, yes, 288 00:17:22,200 --> 00:17:26,880 Speaker 1: homeschooling is fantastic for your children. They on average make 289 00:17:26,960 --> 00:17:30,359 Speaker 1: higher standardized test scores, they will go to college, they 290 00:17:30,359 --> 00:17:32,879 Speaker 1: will be successful. But a lot of those studies have 291 00:17:32,960 --> 00:17:36,159 Speaker 1: been sponsored by groups like the Homeschool Legal Defense Association, 292 00:17:36,480 --> 00:17:40,480 Speaker 1: which obviously you know, homeschool advocacy groups, that it would 293 00:17:40,520 --> 00:17:43,920 Speaker 1: be in their best interest to sort of self select 294 00:17:44,040 --> 00:17:46,680 Speaker 1: these high achieving groups to publish those test scores. And 295 00:17:46,720 --> 00:17:49,080 Speaker 1: I'm not saying that these groups are fudging the books 296 00:17:49,080 --> 00:17:52,960 Speaker 1: in any way, but there have been methodological problems that 297 00:17:52,960 --> 00:17:55,480 Speaker 1: they've run into because there just hasn't been a lot 298 00:17:55,560 --> 00:18:00,320 Speaker 1: of apples to apples comparisons between public and private schools 299 00:18:00,520 --> 00:18:03,760 Speaker 1: versus home school. Yeah. Well, one of the youth side 300 00:18:03,760 --> 00:18:06,359 Speaker 1: of the Home School Legal Defense Association, in two thousand nine, 301 00:18:06,400 --> 00:18:08,399 Speaker 1: they put out a study that showed home school students 302 00:18:08,400 --> 00:18:11,760 Speaker 1: typically score thirty four to thirty nine percentile points higher 303 00:18:11,800 --> 00:18:16,320 Speaker 1: than average students on standardized tests and Lawrence Redner in 304 00:18:17,240 --> 00:18:21,800 Speaker 1: study in Education Policy Analysis ARCHIVES said that homeschool students 305 00:18:21,800 --> 00:18:26,000 Speaker 1: test scores are exceptionally high, and of these students were 306 00:18:26,080 --> 00:18:29,400 Speaker 1: enrolled in one or more grades above their age level peers. 307 00:18:29,680 --> 00:18:33,199 Speaker 1: But again, you know these are coming from those results 308 00:18:33,200 --> 00:18:38,560 Speaker 1: are coming from these exclusively like homeschool advocacy groups. So 309 00:18:39,080 --> 00:18:42,960 Speaker 1: in two thousand eleven, some researchers at Mount Allison University 310 00:18:42,960 --> 00:18:45,760 Speaker 1: in Canada published a study called the impact of Schooling 311 00:18:45,800 --> 00:18:50,120 Speaker 1: on Academic Achievement Evidence from homeschooled and traditionally schooled students, 312 00:18:50,560 --> 00:18:55,760 Speaker 1: trying to figure out whether and like how homeschooling stacked 313 00:18:55,840 --> 00:18:58,800 Speaker 1: up against public schooling. And it was a very small 314 00:18:58,960 --> 00:19:01,520 Speaker 1: sample size. I believe there were thirty four or thirty 315 00:19:01,520 --> 00:19:05,520 Speaker 1: five homeschoolers that they looked at, and when all of 316 00:19:05,560 --> 00:19:10,520 Speaker 1: the numbers were compared, the homeschoolers did as well as 317 00:19:10,560 --> 00:19:13,320 Speaker 1: the public school kids. But then when they broke down 318 00:19:13,520 --> 00:19:18,440 Speaker 1: the way that the homeschool kids were taught, um, there 319 00:19:18,600 --> 00:19:21,800 Speaker 1: was a group that was more traditionally taught with a 320 00:19:21,840 --> 00:19:25,399 Speaker 1: structured curriculum, a structured plan every day, and then there 321 00:19:25,400 --> 00:19:28,119 Speaker 1: were kids who were unschooled who were very had a 322 00:19:28,200 --> 00:19:32,280 Speaker 1: very footloose and fancy free kind of education where math class, 323 00:19:32,320 --> 00:19:35,359 Speaker 1: say is going to the candy store and having to 324 00:19:35,560 --> 00:19:38,480 Speaker 1: pay for something and count out change um. And those 325 00:19:38,600 --> 00:19:42,680 Speaker 1: the unschooled kids did the worst compared to public school 326 00:19:42,720 --> 00:19:45,520 Speaker 1: kids and the structured homeschool kids. But the kids with 327 00:19:45,560 --> 00:19:50,280 Speaker 1: the structured homeschool did the best out of all the kids. Yeah, 328 00:19:50,320 --> 00:19:53,640 Speaker 1: structured home school, then public school, and then unstructured home 329 00:19:53,640 --> 00:19:57,080 Speaker 1: school students bringing up the rear. But I think it's 330 00:19:57,119 --> 00:20:00,639 Speaker 1: something to to bring up about that is maybe the 331 00:20:00,680 --> 00:20:04,040 Speaker 1: top two groups are being taught to the test. I 332 00:20:04,040 --> 00:20:08,119 Speaker 1: mean maybe in that structured environment at home school, the 333 00:20:08,520 --> 00:20:11,920 Speaker 1: parents are or whoever's teaching the kids are focused on 334 00:20:12,720 --> 00:20:15,240 Speaker 1: ensuring you do well on these standardized tests so that 335 00:20:15,320 --> 00:20:18,119 Speaker 1: maybe you go to college or you do whatever you know, uh, 336 00:20:18,400 --> 00:20:21,159 Speaker 1: same as in the traditional school setting where you're being 337 00:20:21,240 --> 00:20:24,120 Speaker 1: taught the test. Or it could also be benefits from 338 00:20:24,160 --> 00:20:26,760 Speaker 1: things like small class sized. I had a class of 339 00:20:26,800 --> 00:20:33,040 Speaker 1: one individualized instruction, and there's more freedom to really dig 340 00:20:33,119 --> 00:20:39,240 Speaker 1: into core subjects because of the small class size. But 341 00:20:39,320 --> 00:20:43,240 Speaker 1: there was also the researchers from Mount Allison also pointed 342 00:20:43,240 --> 00:20:48,760 Speaker 1: out that testing conditions for public school kids vastly different 343 00:20:48,840 --> 00:20:51,639 Speaker 1: from sitting at your breakfast table like I would do, 344 00:20:52,119 --> 00:20:55,359 Speaker 1: and take my CRCT tests every year, rather than being 345 00:20:55,520 --> 00:20:58,840 Speaker 1: in a room with all of your classmates and all 346 00:20:58,880 --> 00:21:04,800 Speaker 1: of those distractions postal going on. Yeah, well, speaking of distractions, 347 00:21:05,160 --> 00:21:07,400 Speaker 1: I'm going to use this as a bumpy transition into 348 00:21:07,600 --> 00:21:13,480 Speaker 1: the social aspect of home school, an awkward homeschool awkward transition, yes, exactly, 349 00:21:13,600 --> 00:21:16,720 Speaker 1: or an only child awkward transition. Let's just bring it 350 00:21:16,760 --> 00:21:19,119 Speaker 1: all together. Christ, there you go. Let's come full circle. 351 00:21:19,240 --> 00:21:22,280 Speaker 1: So how did your parents ensure that you had friends? Well? 352 00:21:22,359 --> 00:21:27,399 Speaker 1: I had extracurricular activities. Uh. Probably at this point in 353 00:21:27,400 --> 00:21:29,359 Speaker 1: the podcast, it wouldn't come as a surprise to hear 354 00:21:29,400 --> 00:21:32,680 Speaker 1: that I went to church a lot, had my youth 355 00:21:32,840 --> 00:21:38,119 Speaker 1: group Sunday school, and I also took ballet and was 356 00:21:38,200 --> 00:21:42,040 Speaker 1: on a soccer team. So yes, I left the home. 357 00:21:42,400 --> 00:21:46,919 Speaker 1: I interacted with children of the same age group. I 358 00:21:47,080 --> 00:21:54,359 Speaker 1: made friends a few good one or two. Well that's 359 00:21:54,520 --> 00:21:57,040 Speaker 1: I think. The social stuff is a huge sticking point 360 00:21:57,119 --> 00:22:00,879 Speaker 1: for a lot of opponents of home school. Uh. Samantha 361 00:22:00,960 --> 00:22:03,720 Speaker 1: li Beta, in a paper in Journal of Contemporary Legal 362 00:22:03,760 --> 00:22:07,959 Speaker 1: Issues from two thousand five, said basically that a lot 363 00:22:08,000 --> 00:22:10,320 Speaker 1: of educators are worried about the social thing, and they 364 00:22:10,359 --> 00:22:12,919 Speaker 1: think that it deprives children of the ability to develop 365 00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:18,200 Speaker 1: socialization skills, and arguing that school itself, the institution going 366 00:22:18,240 --> 00:22:20,720 Speaker 1: there every day, dealing with bullies shoving you in your locker, 367 00:22:21,119 --> 00:22:24,720 Speaker 1: play the significant role in socialization learning how to cooperate 368 00:22:24,760 --> 00:22:28,000 Speaker 1: developing those skills. And they say that when you're homeschooled, 369 00:22:28,800 --> 00:22:31,520 Speaker 1: your home, your school, your peers, your teachers, it's all 370 00:22:31,680 --> 00:22:35,240 Speaker 1: one and the same. And uh. Homeschool supporters of course, 371 00:22:35,240 --> 00:22:39,600 Speaker 1: would say, well, listen, socialization depends on interaction with adults 372 00:22:39,720 --> 00:22:43,280 Speaker 1: in addition to peers. And also the point about, you know, 373 00:22:43,320 --> 00:22:46,600 Speaker 1: getting pushed into your locker by bullies. Uh, maybe the 374 00:22:46,640 --> 00:22:50,800 Speaker 1: socialization in a day to day school setting could have 375 00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:53,720 Speaker 1: a negative impact of always having, you know, having to 376 00:22:53,760 --> 00:22:57,439 Speaker 1: negotiate all these difficult you know, relationships with your peers 377 00:22:57,520 --> 00:23:01,840 Speaker 1: as hormones are developing. And they like that, uh, and 378 00:23:01,960 --> 00:23:05,280 Speaker 1: that there are ways outside of the home for your 379 00:23:05,320 --> 00:23:10,080 Speaker 1: kids to receive plenty of socialization. Um. And I mean, 380 00:23:10,119 --> 00:23:12,879 Speaker 1: I will say that when I went to high school, 381 00:23:13,680 --> 00:23:17,080 Speaker 1: I didn't have trouble making friends, but there were certain 382 00:23:17,119 --> 00:23:22,879 Speaker 1: times when I did experience homeschool gaps because there. It 383 00:23:23,040 --> 00:23:27,960 Speaker 1: is a big difference between like having to walk in 384 00:23:28,040 --> 00:23:31,680 Speaker 1: every day into that environment rather than like waking up, 385 00:23:31,800 --> 00:23:35,000 Speaker 1: getting breakfast thing and out doing your thing. You know, 386 00:23:35,080 --> 00:23:38,560 Speaker 1: it's just like it presents more, um more obstacles, I 387 00:23:38,560 --> 00:23:41,200 Speaker 1: guess to kind of overcome, you've gotta ge used to 388 00:23:41,200 --> 00:23:44,280 Speaker 1: a whole different set of social issues. Yeah. And and 389 00:23:44,280 --> 00:23:49,840 Speaker 1: also realizing that school portrayed on television movies, And I'm serious, 390 00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:53,679 Speaker 1: this might sound crazy, but that portrayal is not the 391 00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:56,840 Speaker 1: same as it is in real life. And I would 392 00:23:56,880 --> 00:23:59,080 Speaker 1: have to get that through my brain sometimes. Yeah, people 393 00:23:59,080 --> 00:24:01,520 Speaker 1: in high school aren't at tually thirty the way they 394 00:24:01,560 --> 00:24:04,879 Speaker 1: are on TV at the time. That would be weird. 395 00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:08,800 Speaker 1: Um well, you know, bringing it all together, Larry Shires 396 00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:12,840 Speaker 1: of the University of Florida and his doctoral dissertation, Yes 397 00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:16,800 Speaker 1: it's stated, but bear with me, talks about school children 398 00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:20,399 Speaker 1: being videotaped at play. These were traditional school students and 399 00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:24,080 Speaker 1: home school students. They brought in trained counselors to observe them, 400 00:24:24,119 --> 00:24:26,760 Speaker 1: and these counselors could not tell the difference. They didn't 401 00:24:26,760 --> 00:24:29,880 Speaker 1: know who was home schooled and who was traditionally schooled. Yeah, 402 00:24:29,880 --> 00:24:32,160 Speaker 1: I mean, I think the socialization factor. In the same 403 00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:37,560 Speaker 1: way that the parent will determine whether, like the kind 404 00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:40,600 Speaker 1: of curriculum the child will have, what form of education 405 00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:44,239 Speaker 1: at home they will receive, they're also the gatekeepers of 406 00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:47,520 Speaker 1: the socialization factor. You know, kids need to get out, 407 00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:50,000 Speaker 1: you know, you need to if you are being homeschooled, 408 00:24:50,800 --> 00:24:53,439 Speaker 1: that kid probably needs to join a soccer team or 409 00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:57,600 Speaker 1: do something. But you know, I don't think that saying 410 00:24:57,640 --> 00:25:01,640 Speaker 1: homeschooling will there's no way that they'll get enough socialization. 411 00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:04,600 Speaker 1: I think is it's dramatic. Yeah, I mean I feel 412 00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:07,320 Speaker 1: like I knew plenty of people in regular school who 413 00:25:07,680 --> 00:25:12,840 Speaker 1: we're weirdos. I mean, adolescents is just awkward. I mean 414 00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:14,760 Speaker 1: a lot of it has to do with just your 415 00:25:14,800 --> 00:25:19,080 Speaker 1: family environment to whether you're homeschooled or traditionally schooled. Yeah, 416 00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:21,480 Speaker 1: I don't sound weird like I'm schooling, you know. I 417 00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:23,240 Speaker 1: think I think that's a good point. I think it 418 00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:26,040 Speaker 1: would be difficult if you were an only child to 419 00:25:26,119 --> 00:25:28,240 Speaker 1: be homeschooled. There was a period when I was the 420 00:25:28,280 --> 00:25:30,720 Speaker 1: only one at home being homeschooled, and that's when it 421 00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:33,359 Speaker 1: started to get lonely and I really didn't like it 422 00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:36,000 Speaker 1: as much because my older siblings were all out of 423 00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:38,359 Speaker 1: the house at that point, and then I got to 424 00:25:38,359 --> 00:25:40,880 Speaker 1: go to high school. I can picture you gazing out 425 00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:44,000 Speaker 1: the window wistfully from your school room in your house, 426 00:25:44,119 --> 00:25:47,040 Speaker 1: like a little Disney birds coming to land on your finger. 427 00:25:47,520 --> 00:25:50,399 Speaker 1: That totally happened, because I could see the kids walking 428 00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:52,600 Speaker 1: home from school and I'd be like, what's that? Like, 429 00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:55,640 Speaker 1: why can't I have a trapper keeper? So how did 430 00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:58,919 Speaker 1: you end up going to regular school? I think my 431 00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:02,840 Speaker 1: parents realized that it would be good for me to 432 00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:04,840 Speaker 1: go to high school just because I was the only 433 00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:09,119 Speaker 1: one at home and my mom had returned to work. 434 00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:11,880 Speaker 1: So even though I was really good with the self 435 00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:15,919 Speaker 1: directed aspect of it, um, I was a little glam 436 00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:20,280 Speaker 1: about it. So I got to go to school. Yeah, cool, 437 00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:23,359 Speaker 1: that's that. If I if I have children, would I 438 00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:25,840 Speaker 1: homeschool them? I don't think so, But that's just because 439 00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:29,639 Speaker 1: I would make a terrible teacher. I get why people 440 00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:33,320 Speaker 1: do it, religious secular, however, which way, Like, I get 441 00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:36,480 Speaker 1: why people would do it, but I myself would probably. 442 00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:39,119 Speaker 1: I can't do math. I can't. I can barely like, 443 00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:41,360 Speaker 1: oh god, if I do long division and get a remainder, 444 00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:44,600 Speaker 1: I don't know what to do with it. I learned 445 00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:47,960 Speaker 1: that in home school I could probably teach you. So 446 00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:52,760 Speaker 1: that is the story of homeschooling, from my life to yours. 447 00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:57,600 Speaker 1: I would now love to hear from listeners out there 448 00:26:57,720 --> 00:27:01,160 Speaker 1: who have been at home school, who homeschooling their children, 449 00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:07,000 Speaker 1: who are considering homeschooling. 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